why do i get the feeling that in the past 2000 years +/- mankind has become more arogant and immature? maybe it's just the video editing, but the ideas put forward on this idea seem juvenile, selfish and not very well thought out. there's a lot more to consider if you're going to have a population that does not die. will culture and intellect stagnate, being monopolized by the same individuals for increasing amounts of time? will reproduction continue? if so what will be the quality of an...
@13garo31 immortal life?, also will our biosphere be able to sustain a growing and immortal human population? will humans really try to live outside of the earth and will such a life even be worth while? or will we stop reproducing? what kind of a human world would that be? once the "immortal" experience is had will people want to continue it indefinitely? have we forgotten the wisdom of the ancients who pondered such questions of hubris as this and ultimately found tragidy to be the...
@13garo31 inevitable result? there are many more questions to consider than what i have asked and clearly more than what the video presented but i guess in the end i have to ask: just because a thing is possible does that mean it should be tried? after all, us and ussr could have used nukes to settle the cold war but if they had the question of immortality would be pointless right now
Islam as a religion doesnt contradict with science. When people talk about things and then connect those to religion. Its insulting and i am completely unaware of what they are talking about. I know Islam well. Islam says all things will die at least once. But i never read anything about dying at age of 70 or 107. But know death is an end, and end can be a good thing sometimes. Islam says get knowledge even if you have to travel to China. Meaning work for it. Take medicine and then pray.
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My friend, this subject has already be tested to it's absolute limit by Dr. Alexis Carrel and Charles Lindbergh. To get the answers your looking for read "The Immortalists" by David M. Friedman. Once read, I think your questions will be answered. Good luck to you!
The Immortalists: Charles Lindbergh, Dr. Alexis Carrel, and Their Daring Quest to Live Forever [Hardcover]
Ever since I achieved enlightenment , my life has turned 180% around. From misanthropic and self destructive, to hopeful and constructive. Seeing science backing up my belief that we are gods(existentialism/satanism) has given me such a conviction in my belief that now I surround my life around it. And my mission is to ease the masses into the singularity, through my art, my speeches, my conduct.
Very interesting video -- I think, as Ray Kurzweil says, biology is information -- and if we can store that information indefinitely, there is no true 'death.' It's a different way of looking at death -- as the Dalai Lama said: “Share your knowledge. It is a way to achieve immortality.”
@lglenn3003 i guess it's "a different way of looking at death", but that's not how they're trying to look at it. that's like saying that since cows eat grass you can increase your fiber intake by eating steak
we are already overpopulated. where will all these people live? will there be a ban on new life? will we spread all around the universe harvesting everything we can get our hands on?
@preput I would say do not worry as the world will balance itself out...yes we may become 'immortal' in the sense of not ageing, however it seems as the world is at the moment, more murderers , more wars, further diseases, famine, more and more women ruining there bodies with alcohol and other drugs which will cause them to become infertile, being killed in accidents, all this will still remain, we've still got a bit of space left in the world:)
great video, interesting topic. there are so many parallels between what futurists are saying and Buddhist philosophy! Using meditation we can literally re-wire our brains, something that nano-tech robots may do some day. using lucid dreaming, we can explore a virtual world in which we experience total freedom, something that neural implants may make possible in the future. buddhism is ment to be a path to freedom from suffering through compassion, and the futurists embody the very essence of it
47 years ago, when I first started thinking seriously about the prospect of boundless life extension, I was the only one I knew, the only one I could find.
Finally, it seems more and more and more people are coming to their senses, getting past the double-talk excuses people have for ignoring aging, the worlds cruelest disease, and finally it's all coming toghether.
Great video. Glad more and more people are waking up. Not a moment too soon.
@neoaeonian Humans are pretty clever in romanticizing horrible things. Nothing is beautiful about aging in my opinion. All your lifelong friends start dying, your bodily functions slowly wither away, your mind degenerated, and you go into oblivion. All the poetry and religion in the world won't change that. It's up to us and science to solve this if there's any possibility. I'm also glad that I'm not the only one with hope
@petion2010 baby boomers must be drooling over the prospects--one of the most selfish and short-sighted generations ever bred. it looks like there's only about 3 people here who are thinking beyond themselves. death makes way for new possibilities and new means of organization, besides let's not forget our old friend entropy. i know it's natural to fear death but if you keep the same old geezers around forever humanity will stagnate and so will biology on earth
@13garo31 How do you know that's things will turn out. Death can also eliminate an entire species. things also stagnate because as we age our neuron die out and we lose creativity. Our species has always been able to reinvent ourselves from leaving the tree, to standing upright, to migrating out of Africa. Why can we become an inter-galactic species. Wouldn't you wanna know if there're other intelligence life form out there and interact with them. How about even another universe.
@petion2010 i don't see how immortality would better serve any of the goals you laid out. The idea that the species would become less creative because individuals age and die is nonsense since we are able to communicate and record complex thought. no human being has ever yet been immortal and we've done pretty well for ourselves. if it's for your own personal sake, ok i understand; but i'm not necessarily the center of my own universe
@13garo31 Actually yes, that's neuro-psychology. I didn't say we became less creative because we die. As we age, we lose our fluid intelligence, thus we become less creative. Yes, no human has ever become immortal, so isn't your argument based on ignorance. How can you be certain about how the future will turn out?
@13garo31 Well that's one thing about these people: it's the center of their universe because it's like another belief system to find consolation in. They are amazingly dismissive of the incredible complications and even social chaos such a change could bring because they have found their new 'God'.
@neoaeonian i believe death wastes lots of resources of mankind. It takes years of education, experiences, and disciplines all together create wise and level headed people. Whom brain and body gives up and slowly waste em. Causing later generations to reconstruct it. Drain on humans' progress. Extending lives just some hundred years should be revolutionary equivalent to thought was when old humans were hands free. However, Death is also an end of chaos and newer peace.
immortality to what end, to what miserable, over-populated, under-resourced end?! we are the most insidious parasite, a cancer scheming to metastatize.
immortality to what end, to what miserable, over-populated, under-resourced end?! we are the most insidious parasite, a cancer scheming to metastatize.
@cojosie Ah, but space exploration and a low birth rate will eventually help our population and if you think that life is miserable then you have the right to death.
"Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of"
Do you just enjoy making false statements? About.com "The leading causes of death among adults over the age of 65 are also the among most common causes of death among the population as a whole."
@Tyrhonius Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of. Old age simply lowers your body's defenses to the point where even a light breeze can kill you.
"Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of"
Do you just enjoy making false statements? About.com "The leading causes of death among adults over the age of 65 are also the among most common causes of death among the population as a whole."
Yes, and I think most people would consider the problem of preventable, non-natually caused death to be a far more serious problem than that of cenetarians dying in their sleep due to mere old age.
If it's a question of where our resources should be going, then there's no question.
Fantastic, and the Alan Harrington quotes cut right to the point like nothing else I've read. Death is the enemy. Well, death and the dearth of funding for the research that is absolutely critical to overcome death. Every day that researchers have to focus on getting funding rather than doing actual research is sentencing tens of thousands to unnecessary death>
our brain can defeat death, stop thinking and believing that u will die and our minds and bodies will adjust to the new data and our bodies can be immortal, that's my belief and i hope science will be there as well to help us a little bit and lift us up.
@charisaob Oh well if that's all it takes I'm surprised no one else in the billions of people who live on Earth hasn't figured out your genius scientific method already.
@PsychoJosh 1. how do u know that there aren't people who maybe not be immortal, but live for 300 years or 400 years? and look young? 2. In spiritual scriptures, many times i have read about how people can achieve physical immortality. Humans are not stupid, but the majority are idiots! Ok, thats why we are still killing each other. And yes, what believe it is simple and there are people who have achieve it. And science is not always right, u idiotic, mediocre human being!
@charisaob How do I know? Hmm, where to begin, maybe because it's basic fucking high school biology? Maybe because all societies keep birth records and no one within human society has ever lived past the age of 122? No one likes the idea of aging and death, but that doesn't stop you from getting older every second. It's an autonomous process. Congratulations on being proud of knowing absolutely fucking nothing and believing in some magical hocus pocus crap, your stupidity blows my mind.
@PsychoJosh dude, all that cursing because of my opinion? lol, ok......
u still are a mediocre idiotic human being. The Power of the mind is not anymore hocus pocus stuff, Many Doctors say to their patients to have positive thinking and that positive thinking immediately effects the body. Positive thoughts will even heal the bodyor help heal the body with the medicines someone takes, ever hear of "Meditation"? Propably not, judging your behaviour. I suggest you to google it because u need it!
@charisaob Yes it is impossible. I'm sorry you're too much of a fucking idiot to see past your pathetic stoner logic. I can't begin to count the number of reasons why you're wrong, but I will start regardless:
@charisaob First of all, you are not the smartest person in the world. There are six billion people living on this planet. 6,000,000,000 people. Now this is just a hunch but I don't think you're among their smartest. The number of people who outsmart you lies potentially in the millions if not billions. And yet none of them have discovered this MIRACULOUS cure for aging that you pulled out of your ass to post on youtube for all to see, which they would have done centuries ago if it was true.
@PsychoJosh oh and about the "smartest person", well i once got 180 IQ score, but most of the times i get 160, but IQ score is nothing in front of emotional intelligence and positive attitude towards life. Many dummies can make more money than a smart person, u know why? because they believe they can, thats why. And 6 Billion ppl..... did u met every single person and u know for a fact not non of them had succeed immortality? U have went to every single birth record and u have met everyone, ok!
@charisaob And you know why it would be true? Because it would be conclusively proven through numerous tests and studies. Statistically speaking if it was as simple as you make it out to be then someone of all the uncountable number of people smarter than you who were and are still living on this planet would've discovered it years ago. Now if this theory of yours were true, why aren't you recieving millions of dollars and the nobel peace prize right now because of your brilliant discovery?
@charisaob So if you want to blindly trust your theory without anybody testing it to see if it works, then that just speaks volumes about your stupidity. People who are actually smart demand ACTUAL EVIDENCE for something working before they believe in it, you are not among those people, you are mentally on the same level as a lemming. You should also be against medicine if you're against science, and I doubt you've NEVER taken ANY sort of meds in your life. If you haven't, have fun dying at 30.
@PsychoJosh lol, ok.......I have belief, people have beliefs , if u want evidence for yourself go do it on your own, and ill make the evidence for myself, not for you. I never said to trust blindly my theory, i actually don;t know you to ask you that, so...
Of course i take madication if i needed but because of my life style and because i indeed use more holistic approaches, i m not sick, almost ever! And thanks for you wish me die!
@charisaob That's not how it works, idiot. Believing in something without proof is blind faith, a single person is not going to prove something is real simply because he says so. Until several people prove your claims true or false through testing and empirical evidence, your theory amounts to nothing but a belief in leprechauns and fairies. I can see how a drugged-up dumbass like you would think that they were real since you probably hallucinate them all the time, but trust me, they're not.
@PsychoJosh "believing something with proof, is blind faith". Hmmm, thank God, Edison din't agree with you and with his "faith" and "imagination" he make the experiments that make the light bolt.
That is no human creation in this world that a person didn;t first 'imagine it" or had "faith" that he can do. Your logic is false in the most extreme way and thats why ppl like you don;t make a diferrence, ppl like u are good only to be parrots in utube comments of their biology knowledge.
@charisaob You are comparing your belief in magical cloud unicorns with someone who based his imagination in actual reality, completely unlike you. He, like any good engineer, came up with his inventions through actual knowledge of the systems he wanted to manipulate, you are talking about him as if his ideas were just magically popped into his head by God overnight, and the fact that you legitimately believe such a preposterous idea only further proves your complete ignorance.
@charisaob and writing all these comments trying to force your opinions to other ppl and me, showing how small you are and how lonely u are. Ofc u will be lonely and die lonely, nobody like ppl who are forcing their OPINIONS , to others ppl beliefs. I believe what i believe based on what scienists already have proven, not pink unicorns like u would wish me. PPl have the mental ability to heal, and even get immortal, and sience can help with tht proccess. So back off.
@charisaob And "holistic approaches"? Oh please, don't even start with that nonsense. You have nothing that medicine hasn't given you. Life expectancy prior to the 1900s (a.k.a. BEFORE widespread usage of medicine) was about 35 years old, if you were LUCKY. The reason we live much longer than that today is because of medicine, which in case you're too stupid to realize, is a SCIENCE. Science just works, and that's the bottom line. Unlike you I'm going to believe in actual facts instead of magic.
@PsychoJosh dude, are u a doctor or something? maybe u have a pharmaceutical company that u work for and u get paid to descripe medicines to ppl. Medical Drugs are the 3rd reason ppl die in USA. And thats a fact!
@charisaob Oh, it's a fact, is it? What's your source on that interesting tidbit of information? Oh, that's right, your ass. I'm not going to bother to entertain your zionist medical conspiracy bullshit for even a second, so let's get right to your comment about Edison: he was not enough of an idiot to be a "faith" practitioner, as in, he like any good engineer based his ideas in actual FACTS (which is called SCIENCE you fucking moron) instead of leaving it up to "God's will" and pure chance.
@PsychoJosh so, if a mediocre mind like yours with daily meditation can heal itself, imagine what it can do if someone wants to reach higher levels of healing and thought. So, even though it is a theory, it is not impossible. And science has make small steps that can allow us to evwn thought the possibility of Immortality through the mind. Your ignorance is huge.
@charisaob So, in conclusion, all your statements prove is that you are a fucking moron who smokes way too much weed and has an extremely poor understanding of biology, facts, the world around you and reality in general. You think science is wrong? Guess what, science is NOT a set of answers, it is a systematic method of deducing reliable outcomes while eliminating all the incorrect answers, resulting in reliable outcomes. It is a willingness to test ideas for their feasibility in a logical way.
@charisaob Something isn't true just because someone says it is. Einstein was a brilliant scientist but gravity isn't true simply because he said it is, it's true because it's supported through scientific testing and consensus. I don't believe that anti-aging doctors who are actually educated about the subject are going to toss away their years of research and investment screaming "forget all the time we've spent studying this, some jackass named charisaob on youtube figured it all out for us!"
@charisaob Now, UNLIKE your absolutely braindead theory, it has been conclusively proven and tested that aging is an inevitable phenomenon regardless of "belief". You know why? Because of DNA. This may be too much for your simple brain to understand but please try to follow: at the cellular level, there are things on the ends of your chromosomes called "telomeres". Now, in the 1980s it was discovered that telomeres get shorter every time a cell divides, which happens in your body CONSTANTLY.
@charisaob Thus, this process of telomere shortening occurs constantly in your body throughout life until they disappear almost entirely, resulting in your death. This is why, contrary to your belief, you grow older with every passing second and your thoughts are not going to magically change that fact. If we were to take an image of your telomeres from five years ago, and take one of your telomeres today, and the ones from today are shorter than the ones from five years ago, then...
@PsychoJosh and every disease we have might be the result of negative thinking in many cases. Stress only can give you cancer. Now why some ppl give birth to babies who have diseases that might be of the disturbance the mother or fathar have already in their bodies and they pass it to their kids. Bad genetic data might be the result of negative thinking and stress. So thats why ppl die, because we tend to think more negative than positive. We imagine ourselves growing old from early years.
@PsychoJosh and it happens as we believe and imagine. Our thoughts and our way of life and well being definately effects our lives and our bodies. Thats not hocus pocus, thats well based and observed facts. So, im taking this to next step of logical thinking, why not try to believe and imagine ourselfves that we are always young not not old or sick. Maybe it will work. SO i don;t pray to any God or hope, this to be . Even if it sounds crazy or too simple for your intelligence, well im sorry,
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Some people like to have very low level manners. Maybe thats why people die.
If u cannot believe the impossible then, have a nice mortal life.
@charisaob Yeah! I don't get it either, what's so great about death? At least these men aren't betting oblivion on the hope of a happier place after death.
@charisaob Look I'm sorry, I thought you were the one against life extension technology during your long conversation with PsychoJosh. I didn't look into your comments enough and I was wrong to troll on your channel. Please forgive me.
@4ever4life444 its ok dude, my first comment in this video was that even with positive thoughts we can extent our lives and be young and maybe even get immortality and i said that science can aslo help in this process. And that psycho dude literaly attack me just beause i believe in the possiblities of the human mind! I thought that u attack me for the same reason. No hard feelings and Happy New Year!!!!!
@charisaob well I'm glad we got this out of the way. I do have a facebook group called life extension should be an important priority. If you feel like joining. Happy new years to you as well.
@charisaob Oh and i want to blow your mind even more: We are not just animals, we are MACHINES; frigging biological machines which need a serious upgrade about fixing aging. p.s. any living thing is a machine, nothing can be alive without it being a machine. Enjoy
@charisaob ...that would prove, undeniably and beyond the shadow of a doubt, that I am 100% correct in this argument and you are nothing but an an absolute king of all idiots. Telomere shortening is why all animals grow old and die; animals, which is what WE are, in case you don't know. Animals are not capable of concieving of mortality or belief, thus they can't possibly believe in the inevitability death, yet they still grow old and die, thus proving your theory completely and utterly wrong.
@PsychoJosh and we are not animals, because if we were, then why we put to prison fathers who have sex with their daughters? in animal kingdom all the time that happens. Why we put to prison thieves? anmals steal from other animals all the time. We are not animals!!! thats why!
@charisaob I don't know if you really are this stupid or if you're just a troll but either way talking to you is like talking to a piece of broccoli, a complete waste of time. It's like I'm trying to explain mathematics to a cockroach.
@PsychoJosh I've read all your conversation with charisa and i couldn't stop laughing... just let it go, you will always find retards... the part i liked the most is the argument @charisaob "we are not animals since we put in jail a father who have sex with his daughter"..... THAT'S CALLED INTELLIGENT AND RATIONAL THINKING, goddamn it, can you get dumber than this?WE are animals, just the smartest ones. Well not everybody.
@Shinjeez pff, so u basically laugh because i believe that our minds have the ability to defeat aging? Too bad for you dude, and the other guy. Until science finds a way, u will hear about people that are 50 and look like 20. U probably will look like 50. Something u haven;t even try ever in your life but u believe is not true, doesn;t make it not true. Thats unscientific all the way. U and the other guy believe u know whats going on, but you basically don;t.
@charisaob yea yea blabla all talking no facts... you are the one claiming something not proven scientifically, you are the one that needs to provide evidence. Untill there is no evidence, it didn't happen. And i doubt it will ever. When we will defeat aging it will be becouse of technology. Oh and looking 20 on the outside doesn't mean being 20 in the inside, sorry. If you don't receive any future medical treatment, you won't live past 120-130, whatever you do.
@Shinjeez "until there is no evidence, it didn;t happen" , under what kind of criteria, u believe, what u are saying is true? This is stupid and defeats logical thinking all the way. I am actually tired of people like yourself , calling themselves atheists or agnostics, fans of logic and science and evidence, destroyers of imagination and creativity. I am against superstition and crap like that but If Edison or Einstein was like you and psychojosh, we would still be using candles for light.
@charisaob "under what kind of criteria, u believe, what u are saying is true?" Try ask this to yourself, because here you are the one claiming big fact with no evidence. I'll leave you with 1 video, check it out.
@Shinjeez got you! I never claim any Big Fact, all I said was My Personal Belief!!! But \i guess your logic and observation skills stop to simple English
anyway, i didnt watch the video because people like you are too stupid to understand what I am saying, and even when something leaves evidence or not, doesn;t mean it didn;t happen u idiot. How many times innocent people went to jail because all evidence indicate they are guilty? many, thats why evidence, sometimes, means shit, sleep on that!
@charisaob Sure it's you belief, but you talk about it like it's true, while chances are that it's completely utter crap. You didn't watch the video? Bad for you, it's quite a nice video. Don't confuse scientific evidence with so called "evidence" that you are talking about in your example. The first if proved is 100% right, the second can be faulty. Oh and to answer to your insults: You think humans are not animals... who are calling idiot? Quite pathetic.
@Shinjeez scientific evidence can be false as well. It depents the current knowledge, and the knowledge of tomorrow. History has show that to us so many times. I grow up reading and watching amazing super hero movies, believing in the impossible is possible, it is exiting , it is awsome, and maybe u need to watch Stan Lees real super humans, those people are real, and if they can exist why not immortality? U need to let go and imagine dude, or else life is really boring! Thats my advice.
@charisaob I'm not saying immortality, or better, limitless life extension is impossible. Far from that. We both agree that humanity will defeat aging. The difference is: you are saying by will force or brain stuff like that, which i find reeeeaaally unlikely; i am saying by science and technology. For undeniable scientific evidence i give the example of carbon dating; thanks to that we know 100% that earth's age is approximately 4,5 billions years.
@Shinjeez so u are givining me one example of scientific truth and that makes science 100% accurate? I guess U will learn the hard way like most people, why science can be fasle many times and why there have been numerous mistakes. It is better to keep balance in your beliefs, believing in your mind power can bring awsome things in ones life, and science is the tool to make our lifes easier and better. Science is the mind's creation and invention.
@charisaob science itself is not 100% accurate, but there are things that we know are what they are for sure because they have been flawlessly proven with scientific method. Science has theories, hypotesis... and facts. Hypotesis and theories are far from being 100%, some more some less. Theory of evolution is not yet proven 100% true, but is near that; string theory is far from 100%, couldn't give it a %. But that Earth's shape is round and not flat, that is 100% accurate science.
@charisaob "so u are givining me one example of scientific truth and that makes science 100% accurate? I guess U will learn the hard way..." I agree. I didnt read your guys conversation but i agree with what your saying. Thats how i think too. Science is a quest for the truth that we can support with logical evidences using our available resources and capabilities. When science gets proven wrong its only due to lack of information and realization not due to the way of thinking.
@charisaob The power of mind you are talking about would go to the hypotesis group. I can't say it's 0% impossible, but you talk about it like it's 90-near 100%... and that is what made me answer you in the first place.
That baby will be able to build upon what he has already been taught and learn more indefinitely. From this, people will become less ignorant, more accepting, and will be able to breed better and more intricate ideas about the problems that face society. Surely, with the death of ignorance and of death itself, the world will be a much better place.
Not only will we be able to extend our lives indefinitely, but we will also be able to extend our knowledge indefinitely. Instead of having to procreate, and having this repetitive cycle where a baby, who knows nothing about the world, will have to start from scratch, learning and learning and learning for years, until finally they die and having their knowledge die with them, the baby will not die. The baby will continue to live, grow, and turn into a responsible adult.
Interesting ideas here, but we'll need to first colonize space before this happens. We'll run out of resources if everyone is able to stop the aging process before then. Either that or ban the bearing of children until a certain of amount of unaging people have died due to accidents or crime.
@Tyrhonius No, FIRST we defeat aging, THEN we colonize space. The main reason we haven't colonized space already is because there's no societal, commercial or economical pressure to do so. When we've solved the death and disease problems here THEN we start planning colonization of other worlds, after everyone puts their support behind it. Space colonization can wait, aging can't, it's killing us every second.
@Tyrhonius Not really. People have been crying about overpopulation since the days of the industrial revolution. It's not an issue of life extension at all, it's more of a problem of education. As long as people produce more than they consume resources will never run out, unless you're talking about oil. Peak oil is decades away and by then several of the alternative energy sources we're currently researching will have surely come to fruition.
@PsychoJosh It is an issue of life extension. We're looking at population that will never level out, barring some natural disaster or a prohibition against having children. Many technological advances would have to accompany life extension, which is what happened during the industrial revolution. But of course we cannot take it for granted that these advances will occur. If our reproduction rates outpace our capability to sustain our ever-expanding non-dying populations then we are in trouble.
@Tyrhonius Overpopulation is currently only a problem in non-developed countries, precisely because they don't have the education or the economic resources needed to solve that problem. In developed countries the birth rate is at 1% every year and actually in steady decline, with the exception of part of europe (simply because of the vatican). So yes, it is an issue of education and not life extension, we must first solve the immediate problems instead of solving the ones that come after.
That's actually irrelevant. Even if there were no overpopulation problem in the world now, one would still develop eventually in the absence of death, which is the issue at hand. Again, we cannot take it for granted that technology will be able to alleviate all the problems brought on by a forever-expanding population on this planet. Simply waiting until the overpopulation problem arises could equally lead to a number of disastrous scenarios.
@Tyrhonius Death would not be completely absent, that would be impossible. All this does is merely alleviate the imposition of pathology and death caused by aging. People will still be able to die in all the other available ways. And regardless of that, a risk of overpopulation and resource shortages is not a good enough justification to let 100,000 people die painfully per day.
Sorry but the people who are dying "painfully" everyday aren't those dying of "natural causes." Diseases, crimes, and accidents are responsible for those types of deaths, which in fact cause far more pain to the person and grief to relatives than, say, grandparents and great aunts dying peacefully of natural causes at 105 years of age. Viewed from this perspective, it seems to make more sense to focus our resources on preventing deaths of the former type rather than the latter.
Yes, and I think most people would consider the problem of preventable, non-naturally caused death to be a far more serious problem than that of cenetarians dying in their sleep due to mere old age.
If it's a question of where our resources should be going, then there's no question.
Yes, and I think most people would consider the problem of preventable, non-natually caused death to be a far more serious problem than that of cenetarians dying in their sleep due to mere old age.
If it's a question of where our resources should be going, then there's no question.
It's a problem if you see it as a problem I guess (though it appears just to be a matter of preference), but surely ridding ourselves of non-natural death due to disease, accident, and death is a far more pressing matter.
@Tyrhonius I don't really see how as aging is just another thing that goes wrong with the body, and things that go wrong with the body are precisely what medicine is there to fix. There is a direct correlation between diseases and aging, as you become more susceptible to disease as you get older. Young people by comparison almost never get sick. I don't see how you can be against disease but FOR aging.
Something being "natural" has no bearing at all on whether it is good or even desirable.
>I don't see how you can be against disease but FOR aging.
Easy. If all diseases are cured, then you'll ONLY be able to die of natural causes.
>Something being "natural" has no bearing at all on whether it is good or even desirable.
And like I said, what is desirable to you, in this case the absence of natural death, is equally arbitrary. So just don't pretend that your reasons for preferring it are any more valid than those you prefer a purely natural death.
@Tyrhonius The thing is, the evidence is stacked up against "natural death" being natural at all. It only occurs due to the accumulation of damage throughout life, which in turn causes susceptibility to disease. Take away aging and you take away disease, simple as that. The purpose of medicine is to extend life, thus the only logical endpoint of medicine is biological "immortality", that is, never reaching a frail stage where disease manages to get to you.
@Tyrhonius Obviously, but the serious morbidity caused by disease only occurs in older people. Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses. Pardon me if I worded my last comment wrong, I'm pretty tired right now.
@Tyrhonius No, it's not. There is of course the odd youth that catches cancer or malaria or some other disease but this is either through genetics or his own carelessness, whereas older people inevitably catch a disease once their bodies accumulate enough damage, at which point any fatal bug can easily worm its way into them and kill them. "Death from natural causes" is really just death from catching a disease and your body not being able to do anything about it because it's too old.
"Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of"
Do you just enjoy making false statements? About.com "The leading causes of death among adults over the age of 65 are also the among most common causes of death among the population as a whole."
>Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses.
You must be really tired, because this statement is equally false. In any case, if diseases were eliminated, then people wouldn't need to amass such defenses in the first place.
>Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses.
You must be really tired, because this statement is equally false. In any case, if the diseases were eliminated, then they wouldn't need to amass such defenses in the first place.
>Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses.
You must be really tired, because this statement is equally false. In any case, if the diseases were eliminated, then they wouldn't need to amass such defenses in the first place.
I think it's hilarious that Jason Silva is establishing himself as the primary speaker and focus in this film. Notice how he cuts Ray Kurzweil off mid-sentence several times towards the end--he interrupts RAY KURZWEIL. Also, the "singularity" is not about becoming immortal or avoiding death. It's unfortunate that this guy is the one bringing any publicity to the topic.
@Ch4osW4rrior Transcending human biology and biological limitations does not imply immortality, especially considering potential implications for the definition of consciousness after this event. And with regard to the singularity, biological transcendence is only a possible symptom. No one can predict the future in that regard, only extrapolate current technological trends. The future might be life in 8-bit pixel-land because the Borg needs all the CPU cycles to construct a new Dyson sphere.
@CardiganKiller It's not just a "possible symptom", there are several groups and organizations working towards the goal of biological transcendence. When technology goes asymptotic what's to stop them from reaching that goal in record time?
but how long we, you want to life; 300 years, 1000 years or even for ever??
First of all i think the world don't have the resources to feed Billions of immortal peoples!
And I think after lets say 500 years life its getting dam boring - always the same problems always the same wars. As we know humanity learns nothing for History...
but very interesting and a very old wish since the first steps of Mankind.
I don't think that the human species is responsible or mature enough to be allowed to live forever yet.
Some people seem to be afraid of death and want to escape from death, in my opinion this attitude demonstrates that we are not ready to live forever yet.
If we were actually somehow able to perfect a scientific way to freeze and store people to be reanimated back to life do you really believe that everyone will have access to this ultimate luxury? The world is crowded enough already and only those who are worthy will be allowed to participate. AKA The rich, powerful, beautiful and politically or culturally connected will be allowed to proceed. The fat, ugly and stupid common folk have had their time bye bye thank you for your service carry on now
*death isn't a problem. Living forever without the option would be.
*Evolution isn't cruel, that's nature, and not nature in whole but nature in part (destructive). Without death there wouldn't be adaptation, selection needs death.
*we can do something about it. Those who are heaven bound idiots, think they are immortal...
of course one would choose to live rather than die, but i still feel very torn by the idea of this. 'death is the road to awe', there is a truth to the universe that cannot be understood within the confines of our organic bodies, and living forever would detract you from ever seeing that truth. if i lived for a million years, i would get fucking bored of life and shoot myself in the head just to experience something new.
rottenspectre, I so far have never and intend to never reproduce. That COULD work in theory a world of near immortals who all agree not to reproduce it would be the same few billion people all the time. Would it eventually get to the point where everyone kind of knows everyone? Eventually you would know hundreds of millions of people, the "six degrees of separation" would be 3 degrees.
Every body wants eternal life but I fear there are certain people out there that would hate to see populations live forever these people with the intent on lying to, oppressing, degrading, enslaving, and/or killing me or you. With this achievement for there own pleasure. I am definately for it though. I thing the human being will have immortality soon
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Absolute immortality is not possible because a perfectly immortal being still dies when the SUN does, think about it, a perfectly immortal person would be dead in a few billion years when the sun goes nova
@Zurround100 believe me, if we were really immoral now we would have moved to another star a billion years from now. a nova of the sun wouldn't stop us
You think in a few billion years we couldn't have the technology of a space ship? Our technology will be far more powerful and important then one small star less than a thousand years from now much less a billion.
When I watched this, the first question that came in was: which living being came closer to immortality? I can only think about trees right know, and not all of them, but yeah, I could say is a not bad sample for such challenging questioning.
Other thing that comes to me is about life quality.
Excellent video! Aging is a horrible disease, and should be treated as such, not denied (via fantasies of heaven or reincarnation), glorified, or trivialized. Rationally and morally this is a non-issue: just do it!
@Parapon3ra@Parapon3ra If they find a cure for aging it will never be released to the public, because it will destroy the human race. If nobody dies, the earth will become overpopulated, resources and food will quickly dissappear, and wars will begin resulting in death and destruction. It will never work unless we explore space and find a way to move across the galaxy and settle down on other planets.
@CaptEm1 There is a POSSIBILITY that overpopulation becomes a problem. But that mere possibility is not even close to a good enough deterrent to choose the alternative option, which is doing nothing about aging and letting hundreds of thousands continue to die by the day. We will all have to make a choice: have a high death rate or a low birth rate.
@PsychoJosh First of all you can't force people not to have children, nobody will listen to that. 2nd, I would love to see a cure, but the government will never release that kind of information. Hell, they might even have it now as we speak, and they might be paying the scientists who found out the answer to keep their mouths shut. Either way, I don't think we'll ever see the cure.
@CaptEm1 Well there's a good reason why you're wrong. Current estimations predict that, if nothing is done about aging, then by 2050 we'll be spending trillions of dollars on health care for alzheimer's patients alone, whiich doesn't even begin to count the astronomical amount we'll be spending on other age-related diseases. They have every incentive to release the cure for aging to the public, unless you believe we'll fall into a dystopia where the government just doesn't care about its people.
@PsychoJosh Are you crazy? We already have a population growth problem TODAY, what the hell do you think will happen if suddenly people just stop dying? With current growth rates we'll have 19 billion people by 2100, that's twice as much as the earth can sustain. If people stop dying we would have 100 billion people by 2100. The human civilization would be completely destroyed a long with our planet. If you can't see that, then you're deluding yourself big time.
@CaptEm1 Nobody said anything about people not dying. Just because they no longer die from age-related pathologies doesn't mean they're somehow incapable of dying, there will still be accidents and murders in the world, there will still be sickness and hunger. It's just that no one will die from merely getting old anymore. And again, overpopulation is only a POSSIBILITY, not a guaranteed outcome. You're sadly confused as to who's deluding himself here.
@PsychoJosh How can you say it's a "possibilty" when the math is staring you right in the face? It's basic math. We are already having major problems with over population NOW. The estimated upper population limit the earth can sustain is around 10 billion. With our current growth rate of 1,3% we'll reach that in 2050, and it will keep growing beyond that. When you REMOVE a major stabilizing factor like "death by old age" the growth rate will sky rocket.
What a bullshit
scharlui 1 month ago
why do i get the feeling that in the past 2000 years +/- mankind has become more arogant and immature? maybe it's just the video editing, but the ideas put forward on this idea seem juvenile, selfish and not very well thought out. there's a lot more to consider if you're going to have a population that does not die. will culture and intellect stagnate, being monopolized by the same individuals for increasing amounts of time? will reproduction continue? if so what will be the quality of an...
13garo31 2 months ago
@13garo31 immortal life?, also will our biosphere be able to sustain a growing and immortal human population? will humans really try to live outside of the earth and will such a life even be worth while? or will we stop reproducing? what kind of a human world would that be? once the "immortal" experience is had will people want to continue it indefinitely? have we forgotten the wisdom of the ancients who pondered such questions of hubris as this and ultimately found tragidy to be the...
13garo31 2 months ago
@13garo31 inevitable result? there are many more questions to consider than what i have asked and clearly more than what the video presented but i guess in the end i have to ask: just because a thing is possible does that mean it should be tried? after all, us and ussr could have used nukes to settle the cold war but if they had the question of immortality would be pointless right now
13garo31 2 months ago
why wouldnt you want to eventually die
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Neueregel 3 months ago
Islam as a religion doesnt contradict with science. When people talk about things and then connect those to religion. Its insulting and i am completely unaware of what they are talking about. I know Islam well. Islam says all things will die at least once. But i never read anything about dying at age of 70 or 107. But know death is an end, and end can be a good thing sometimes. Islam says get knowledge even if you have to travel to China. Meaning work for it. Take medicine and then pray.
answerOfstupids 3 months ago
beautifully done video,. I'm waiting for SkQ1. Anyone has news?
cammie3214 4 months ago
Is there a longer version of this? it was very well made.
GodofSpanaway 5 months ago in playlist H+
@GodofSpanaway no its not.
answerOfstupids 3 months ago
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MERKHURY 6 months ago
I have a facebook group called "life extension should be an important priority" if anyone wants to join.
Keim4ever 7 months ago
My friend, this subject has already be tested to it's absolute limit by Dr. Alexis Carrel and Charles Lindbergh. To get the answers your looking for read "The Immortalists" by David M. Friedman. Once read, I think your questions will be answered. Good luck to you!
The Immortalists: Charles Lindbergh, Dr. Alexis Carrel, and Their Daring Quest to Live Forever [Hardcover]
David M. Friedman
mccsteven2 7 months ago
Ever since I achieved enlightenment , my life has turned 180% around. From misanthropic and self destructive, to hopeful and constructive. Seeing science backing up my belief that we are gods(existentialism/satanism) has given me such a conviction in my belief that now I surround my life around it. And my mission is to ease the masses into the singularity, through my art, my speeches, my conduct.
15 years more years to go. Till then enjoy life;)
DurexDurpaneu2 7 months ago
Very interesting video -- I think, as Ray Kurzweil says, biology is information -- and if we can store that information indefinitely, there is no true 'death.' It's a different way of looking at death -- as the Dalai Lama said: “Share your knowledge. It is a way to achieve immortality.”
lglenn3003 10 months ago
@lglenn3003 i guess it's "a different way of looking at death", but that's not how they're trying to look at it. that's like saying that since cows eat grass you can increase your fiber intake by eating steak
13garo31 2 months ago
we are already overpopulated. where will all these people live? will there be a ban on new life? will we spread all around the universe harvesting everything we can get our hands on?
preput 11 months ago
@preput I would say do not worry as the world will balance itself out...yes we may become 'immortal' in the sense of not ageing, however it seems as the world is at the moment, more murderers , more wars, further diseases, famine, more and more women ruining there bodies with alcohol and other drugs which will cause them to become infertile, being killed in accidents, all this will still remain, we've still got a bit of space left in the world:)
SPITFIRE99STAKIM 10 months ago
@SPITFIRE99STAKIM right look at the bright side of longer life: more depression and violence--things will even themselves out
13garo31 2 months ago
great video, interesting topic. there are so many parallels between what futurists are saying and Buddhist philosophy! Using meditation we can literally re-wire our brains, something that nano-tech robots may do some day. using lucid dreaming, we can explore a virtual world in which we experience total freedom, something that neural implants may make possible in the future. buddhism is ment to be a path to freedom from suffering through compassion, and the futurists embody the very essence of it
ChristPuncher1373 1 year ago
mate youve fuckin lost it
pRroe 1 year ago
What a great video!
47 years ago, when I first started thinking seriously about the prospect of boundless life extension, I was the only one I knew, the only one I could find.
Finally, it seems more and more and more people are coming to their senses, getting past the double-talk excuses people have for ignoring aging, the worlds cruelest disease, and finally it's all coming toghether.
Great video. Glad more and more people are waking up. Not a moment too soon.
neoaeonian 1 year ago 8
@neoaeonian Humans are pretty clever in romanticizing horrible things. Nothing is beautiful about aging in my opinion. All your lifelong friends start dying, your bodily functions slowly wither away, your mind degenerated, and you go into oblivion. All the poetry and religion in the world won't change that. It's up to us and science to solve this if there's any possibility. I'm also glad that I'm not the only one with hope
petion2010 8 months ago
@petion2010 baby boomers must be drooling over the prospects--one of the most selfish and short-sighted generations ever bred. it looks like there's only about 3 people here who are thinking beyond themselves. death makes way for new possibilities and new means of organization, besides let's not forget our old friend entropy. i know it's natural to fear death but if you keep the same old geezers around forever humanity will stagnate and so will biology on earth
13garo31 2 months ago
@13garo31 How do you know that's things will turn out. Death can also eliminate an entire species. things also stagnate because as we age our neuron die out and we lose creativity. Our species has always been able to reinvent ourselves from leaving the tree, to standing upright, to migrating out of Africa. Why can we become an inter-galactic species. Wouldn't you wanna know if there're other intelligence life form out there and interact with them. How about even another universe.
petion2010 2 months ago
@petion2010 i don't see how immortality would better serve any of the goals you laid out. The idea that the species would become less creative because individuals age and die is nonsense since we are able to communicate and record complex thought. no human being has ever yet been immortal and we've done pretty well for ourselves. if it's for your own personal sake, ok i understand; but i'm not necessarily the center of my own universe
13garo31 2 months ago
@13garo31 Actually yes, that's neuro-psychology. I didn't say we became less creative because we die. As we age, we lose our fluid intelligence, thus we become less creative. Yes, no human has ever become immortal, so isn't your argument based on ignorance. How can you be certain about how the future will turn out?
petion2010 2 months ago
@petion2010 you know what? you win, never mind
13garo31 2 months ago
@13garo31 Well that's one thing about these people: it's the center of their universe because it's like another belief system to find consolation in. They are amazingly dismissive of the incredible complications and even social chaos such a change could bring because they have found their new 'God'.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@13garo31 If that's possible to reach immortality, our possibility would also be endless. It's not just gloom and doom as you put it.
petion2010 2 months ago
@neoaeonian i believe death wastes lots of resources of mankind. It takes years of education, experiences, and disciplines all together create wise and level headed people. Whom brain and body gives up and slowly waste em. Causing later generations to reconstruct it. Drain on humans' progress. Extending lives just some hundred years should be revolutionary equivalent to thought was when old humans were hands free. However, Death is also an end of chaos and newer peace.
answerOfstupids 3 months ago
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cojosie 1 year ago
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immortality to what end, to what miserable, over-populated, under-resourced end?! we are the most insidious parasite, a cancer scheming to metastatize.
cojosie 1 year ago
immortality to what end, to what miserable, over-populated, under-resourced end?! we are the most insidious parasite, a cancer scheming to metastatize.
cojosie 1 year ago
@cojosie Ah, but space exploration and a low birth rate will eventually help our population and if you think that life is miserable then you have the right to death.
4ever4life444 1 year ago
1.futurists are predicting achieving immortality in the next 30, 100, 250, 500, or at most, 1000 years.
2. 1 trillion dollars devoted entirely to life extension will accelerate millenia of research to within 20 years or so.
3. the 2009 global bailout is worth ~ $1.2 trillion.
4. if people didnt die, the global economy could possibly double every generation. Thats $50 trillion every 20 years.
therefore, to moneyfaces or not, its more worthwhile to fund life extention instead of bailouts.
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@PsychoJosh
"Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of"
Do you just enjoy making false statements? About.com "The leading causes of death among adults over the age of 65 are also the among most common causes of death among the population as a whole."
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
Many of the arguments here are actually arguments against DISEASE, not natural aging.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of. Old age simply lowers your body's defenses to the point where even a light breeze can kill you.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
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@PsychoJosh
"Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of"
Do you just enjoy making false statements? About.com "The leading causes of death among adults over the age of 65 are also the among most common causes of death among the population as a whole."
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
Excellent video! Very well put together.
r4myers1 1 year ago
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Yes, and I think most people would consider the problem of preventable, non-natually caused death to be a far more serious problem than that of cenetarians dying in their sleep due to mere old age.
If it's a question of where our resources should be going, then there's no question.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
If the presence of good memories makes immortality desirable, then it must be equally true that the presence of bad memories makes it undesirable.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
Fantastic, and the Alan Harrington quotes cut right to the point like nothing else I've read. Death is the enemy. Well, death and the dearth of funding for the research that is absolutely critical to overcome death. Every day that researchers have to focus on getting funding rather than doing actual research is sentencing tens of thousands to unnecessary death>
Datan0de 1 year ago
our brain can defeat death, stop thinking and believing that u will die and our minds and bodies will adjust to the new data and our bodies can be immortal, that's my belief and i hope science will be there as well to help us a little bit and lift us up.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob Oh well if that's all it takes I'm surprised no one else in the billions of people who live on Earth hasn't figured out your genius scientific method already.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh 1. how do u know that there aren't people who maybe not be immortal, but live for 300 years or 400 years? and look young? 2. In spiritual scriptures, many times i have read about how people can achieve physical immortality. Humans are not stupid, but the majority are idiots! Ok, thats why we are still killing each other. And yes, what believe it is simple and there are people who have achieve it. And science is not always right, u idiotic, mediocre human being!
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob How do I know? Hmm, where to begin, maybe because it's basic fucking high school biology? Maybe because all societies keep birth records and no one within human society has ever lived past the age of 122? No one likes the idea of aging and death, but that doesn't stop you from getting older every second. It's an autonomous process. Congratulations on being proud of knowing absolutely fucking nothing and believing in some magical hocus pocus crap, your stupidity blows my mind.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh dude, all that cursing because of my opinion? lol, ok......
u still are a mediocre idiotic human being. The Power of the mind is not anymore hocus pocus stuff, Many Doctors say to their patients to have positive thinking and that positive thinking immediately effects the body. Positive thoughts will even heal the bodyor help heal the body with the medicines someone takes, ever hear of "Meditation"? Propably not, judging your behaviour. I suggest you to google it because u need it!
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob Yes it is impossible. I'm sorry you're too much of a fucking idiot to see past your pathetic stoner logic. I can't begin to count the number of reasons why you're wrong, but I will start regardless:
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@charisaob First of all, you are not the smartest person in the world. There are six billion people living on this planet. 6,000,000,000 people. Now this is just a hunch but I don't think you're among their smartest. The number of people who outsmart you lies potentially in the millions if not billions. And yet none of them have discovered this MIRACULOUS cure for aging that you pulled out of your ass to post on youtube for all to see, which they would have done centuries ago if it was true.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh oh and about the "smartest person", well i once got 180 IQ score, but most of the times i get 160, but IQ score is nothing in front of emotional intelligence and positive attitude towards life. Many dummies can make more money than a smart person, u know why? because they believe they can, thats why. And 6 Billion ppl..... did u met every single person and u know for a fact not non of them had succeed immortality? U have went to every single birth record and u have met everyone, ok!
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob And you know why it would be true? Because it would be conclusively proven through numerous tests and studies. Statistically speaking if it was as simple as you make it out to be then someone of all the uncountable number of people smarter than you who were and are still living on this planet would've discovered it years ago. Now if this theory of yours were true, why aren't you recieving millions of dollars and the nobel peace prize right now because of your brilliant discovery?
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@charisaob So if you want to blindly trust your theory without anybody testing it to see if it works, then that just speaks volumes about your stupidity. People who are actually smart demand ACTUAL EVIDENCE for something working before they believe in it, you are not among those people, you are mentally on the same level as a lemming. You should also be against medicine if you're against science, and I doubt you've NEVER taken ANY sort of meds in your life. If you haven't, have fun dying at 30.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh lol, ok.......I have belief, people have beliefs , if u want evidence for yourself go do it on your own, and ill make the evidence for myself, not for you. I never said to trust blindly my theory, i actually don;t know you to ask you that, so...
Of course i take madication if i needed but because of my life style and because i indeed use more holistic approaches, i m not sick, almost ever! And thanks for you wish me die!
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob That's not how it works, idiot. Believing in something without proof is blind faith, a single person is not going to prove something is real simply because he says so. Until several people prove your claims true or false through testing and empirical evidence, your theory amounts to nothing but a belief in leprechauns and fairies. I can see how a drugged-up dumbass like you would think that they were real since you probably hallucinate them all the time, but trust me, they're not.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh "believing something with proof, is blind faith". Hmmm, thank God, Edison din't agree with you and with his "faith" and "imagination" he make the experiments that make the light bolt.
That is no human creation in this world that a person didn;t first 'imagine it" or had "faith" that he can do. Your logic is false in the most extreme way and thats why ppl like you don;t make a diferrence, ppl like u are good only to be parrots in utube comments of their biology knowledge.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob You are comparing your belief in magical cloud unicorns with someone who based his imagination in actual reality, completely unlike you. He, like any good engineer, came up with his inventions through actual knowledge of the systems he wanted to manipulate, you are talking about him as if his ideas were just magically popped into his head by God overnight, and the fact that you legitimately believe such a preposterous idea only further proves your complete ignorance.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh ha ha ha, u are delusional, i never spoke about God or ideas come from God, i never said about magical unicorns, u are messed up dude.
Thats why u have as a name psychojosh, u are a psycho in a very bad way.
Im going to ignore you from now, u are sick.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob and writing all these comments trying to force your opinions to other ppl and me, showing how small you are and how lonely u are. Ofc u will be lonely and die lonely, nobody like ppl who are forcing their OPINIONS , to others ppl beliefs. I believe what i believe based on what scienists already have proven, not pink unicorns like u would wish me. PPl have the mental ability to heal, and even get immortal, and sience can help with tht proccess. So back off.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob And "holistic approaches"? Oh please, don't even start with that nonsense. You have nothing that medicine hasn't given you. Life expectancy prior to the 1900s (a.k.a. BEFORE widespread usage of medicine) was about 35 years old, if you were LUCKY. The reason we live much longer than that today is because of medicine, which in case you're too stupid to realize, is a SCIENCE. Science just works, and that's the bottom line. Unlike you I'm going to believe in actual facts instead of magic.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh dude, are u a doctor or something? maybe u have a pharmaceutical company that u work for and u get paid to descripe medicines to ppl. Medical Drugs are the 3rd reason ppl die in USA. And thats a fact!
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob Oh, it's a fact, is it? What's your source on that interesting tidbit of information? Oh, that's right, your ass. I'm not going to bother to entertain your zionist medical conspiracy bullshit for even a second, so let's get right to your comment about Edison: he was not enough of an idiot to be a "faith" practitioner, as in, he like any good engineer based his ideas in actual FACTS (which is called SCIENCE you fucking moron) instead of leaving it up to "God's will" and pure chance.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh so, if a mediocre mind like yours with daily meditation can heal itself, imagine what it can do if someone wants to reach higher levels of healing and thought. So, even though it is a theory, it is not impossible. And science has make small steps that can allow us to evwn thought the possibility of Immortality through the mind. Your ignorance is huge.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob The only Limitations humans have are their own thoughts. That was a stupid guy who said that, like me.
Maybe little philosophy and sayings of great people around the world would help you to understand how things are.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob So, in conclusion, all your statements prove is that you are a fucking moron who smokes way too much weed and has an extremely poor understanding of biology, facts, the world around you and reality in general. You think science is wrong? Guess what, science is NOT a set of answers, it is a systematic method of deducing reliable outcomes while eliminating all the incorrect answers, resulting in reliable outcomes. It is a willingness to test ideas for their feasibility in a logical way.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh hmm, im goind to die in my 30s and im smoking weed.
Dude, u need some weed emmidiately, i dont; smoke it but u need it!
ha ha ha.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob Something isn't true just because someone says it is. Einstein was a brilliant scientist but gravity isn't true simply because he said it is, it's true because it's supported through scientific testing and consensus. I don't believe that anti-aging doctors who are actually educated about the subject are going to toss away their years of research and investment screaming "forget all the time we've spent studying this, some jackass named charisaob on youtube figured it all out for us!"
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@charisaob Now, UNLIKE your absolutely braindead theory, it has been conclusively proven and tested that aging is an inevitable phenomenon regardless of "belief". You know why? Because of DNA. This may be too much for your simple brain to understand but please try to follow: at the cellular level, there are things on the ends of your chromosomes called "telomeres". Now, in the 1980s it was discovered that telomeres get shorter every time a cell divides, which happens in your body CONSTANTLY.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@charisaob Thus, this process of telomere shortening occurs constantly in your body throughout life until they disappear almost entirely, resulting in your death. This is why, contrary to your belief, you grow older with every passing second and your thoughts are not going to magically change that fact. If we were to take an image of your telomeres from five years ago, and take one of your telomeres today, and the ones from today are shorter than the ones from five years ago, then...
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh and every disease we have might be the result of negative thinking in many cases. Stress only can give you cancer. Now why some ppl give birth to babies who have diseases that might be of the disturbance the mother or fathar have already in their bodies and they pass it to their kids. Bad genetic data might be the result of negative thinking and stress. So thats why ppl die, because we tend to think more negative than positive. We imagine ourselves growing old from early years.
charisaob 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh and it happens as we believe and imagine. Our thoughts and our way of life and well being definately effects our lives and our bodies. Thats not hocus pocus, thats well based and observed facts. So, im taking this to next step of logical thinking, why not try to believe and imagine ourselfves that we are always young not not old or sick. Maybe it will work. SO i don;t pray to any God or hope, this to be . Even if it sounds crazy or too simple for your intelligence, well im sorry,
charisaob 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh read more philosophy and psychology next time, science don;t cover all needs human have like spirituality. Ignorant.
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4everkeim 1 year ago
@4everkeim " A emoticon expressing complete, what the hell-ness. Used when one can't beileve the retardation and non sense that is going on. Used a lot by people in chat rooms that are annoyed by the useless gabber of teenyboppers and the pervo requests for p2p's by pedos."
Some people like to have very low level manners. Maybe thats why people die.
If u cannot believe the impossible then, have a nice mortal life.
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob Yeah! I don't get it either, what's so great about death? At least these men aren't betting oblivion on the hope of a happier place after death.
petion2010 1 year ago
@charisaob Look I'm sorry, I thought you were the one against life extension technology during your long conversation with PsychoJosh. I didn't look into your comments enough and I was wrong to troll on your channel. Please forgive me.
4ever4life444 1 year ago
@4ever4life444 its ok dude, my first comment in this video was that even with positive thoughts we can extent our lives and be young and maybe even get immortality and i said that science can aslo help in this process. And that psycho dude literaly attack me just beause i believe in the possiblities of the human mind! I thought that u attack me for the same reason. No hard feelings and Happy New Year!!!!!
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob well I'm glad we got this out of the way. I do have a facebook group called life extension should be an important priority. If you feel like joining. Happy new years to you as well.
4ever4life444 1 year ago
@4ever4life444 cool, i will check it out, or mail me the link
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob Oh and i want to blow your mind even more: We are not just animals, we are MACHINES; frigging biological machines which need a serious upgrade about fixing aging. p.s. any living thing is a machine, nothing can be alive without it being a machine. Enjoy
Shinjeez 7 months ago
@charisaob ...that would prove, undeniably and beyond the shadow of a doubt, that I am 100% correct in this argument and you are nothing but an an absolute king of all idiots. Telomere shortening is why all animals grow old and die; animals, which is what WE are, in case you don't know. Animals are not capable of concieving of mortality or belief, thus they can't possibly believe in the inevitability death, yet they still grow old and die, thus proving your theory completely and utterly wrong.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh and we are not animals, because if we were, then why we put to prison fathers who have sex with their daughters? in animal kingdom all the time that happens. Why we put to prison thieves? anmals steal from other animals all the time. We are not animals!!! thats why!
charisaob 1 year ago
@charisaob I don't know if you really are this stupid or if you're just a troll but either way talking to you is like talking to a piece of broccoli, a complete waste of time. It's like I'm trying to explain mathematics to a cockroach.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh I've read all your conversation with charisa and i couldn't stop laughing... just let it go, you will always find retards... the part i liked the most is the argument @charisaob "we are not animals since we put in jail a father who have sex with his daughter"..... THAT'S CALLED INTELLIGENT AND RATIONAL THINKING, goddamn it, can you get dumber than this?WE are animals, just the smartest ones. Well not everybody.
Shinjeez 7 months ago
@Shinjeez pff, so u basically laugh because i believe that our minds have the ability to defeat aging? Too bad for you dude, and the other guy. Until science finds a way, u will hear about people that are 50 and look like 20. U probably will look like 50. Something u haven;t even try ever in your life but u believe is not true, doesn;t make it not true. Thats unscientific all the way. U and the other guy believe u know whats going on, but you basically don;t.
charisaob 7 months ago
@charisaob yea yea blabla all talking no facts... you are the one claiming something not proven scientifically, you are the one that needs to provide evidence. Untill there is no evidence, it didn't happen. And i doubt it will ever. When we will defeat aging it will be becouse of technology. Oh and looking 20 on the outside doesn't mean being 20 in the inside, sorry. If you don't receive any future medical treatment, you won't live past 120-130, whatever you do.
Shinjeez 7 months ago
@Shinjeez "until there is no evidence, it didn;t happen" , under what kind of criteria, u believe, what u are saying is true? This is stupid and defeats logical thinking all the way. I am actually tired of people like yourself , calling themselves atheists or agnostics, fans of logic and science and evidence, destroyers of imagination and creativity. I am against superstition and crap like that but If Edison or Einstein was like you and psychojosh, we would still be using candles for light.
charisaob 6 months ago
@charisaob "under what kind of criteria, u believe, what u are saying is true?" Try ask this to yourself, because here you are the one claiming big fact with no evidence. I'll leave you with 1 video, check it out.
/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U
Shinjeez 6 months ago
@Shinjeez got you! I never claim any Big Fact, all I said was My Personal Belief!!! But \i guess your logic and observation skills stop to simple English
anyway, i didnt watch the video because people like you are too stupid to understand what I am saying, and even when something leaves evidence or not, doesn;t mean it didn;t happen u idiot. How many times innocent people went to jail because all evidence indicate they are guilty? many, thats why evidence, sometimes, means shit, sleep on that!
charisaob 6 months ago
@charisaob Sure it's you belief, but you talk about it like it's true, while chances are that it's completely utter crap. You didn't watch the video? Bad for you, it's quite a nice video. Don't confuse scientific evidence with so called "evidence" that you are talking about in your example. The first if proved is 100% right, the second can be faulty. Oh and to answer to your insults: You think humans are not animals... who are calling idiot? Quite pathetic.
Shinjeez 6 months ago
@Shinjeez scientific evidence can be false as well. It depents the current knowledge, and the knowledge of tomorrow. History has show that to us so many times. I grow up reading and watching amazing super hero movies, believing in the impossible is possible, it is exiting , it is awsome, and maybe u need to watch Stan Lees real super humans, those people are real, and if they can exist why not immortality? U need to let go and imagine dude, or else life is really boring! Thats my advice.
charisaob 6 months ago
@charisaob I'm not saying immortality, or better, limitless life extension is impossible. Far from that. We both agree that humanity will defeat aging. The difference is: you are saying by will force or brain stuff like that, which i find reeeeaaally unlikely; i am saying by science and technology. For undeniable scientific evidence i give the example of carbon dating; thanks to that we know 100% that earth's age is approximately 4,5 billions years.
Shinjeez 6 months ago
@Shinjeez so u are givining me one example of scientific truth and that makes science 100% accurate? I guess U will learn the hard way like most people, why science can be fasle many times and why there have been numerous mistakes. It is better to keep balance in your beliefs, believing in your mind power can bring awsome things in ones life, and science is the tool to make our lifes easier and better. Science is the mind's creation and invention.
charisaob 6 months ago
@charisaob science itself is not 100% accurate, but there are things that we know are what they are for sure because they have been flawlessly proven with scientific method. Science has theories, hypotesis... and facts. Hypotesis and theories are far from being 100%, some more some less. Theory of evolution is not yet proven 100% true, but is near that; string theory is far from 100%, couldn't give it a %. But that Earth's shape is round and not flat, that is 100% accurate science.
Shinjeez 6 months ago
@charisaob "so u are givining me one example of scientific truth and that makes science 100% accurate? I guess U will learn the hard way..." I agree. I didnt read your guys conversation but i agree with what your saying. Thats how i think too. Science is a quest for the truth that we can support with logical evidences using our available resources and capabilities. When science gets proven wrong its only due to lack of information and realization not due to the way of thinking.
answerOfstupids 3 months ago
@charisaob The power of mind you are talking about would go to the hypotesis group. I can't say it's 0% impossible, but you talk about it like it's 90-near 100%... and that is what made me answer you in the first place.
Shinjeez 6 months ago
That baby will be able to build upon what he has already been taught and learn more indefinitely. From this, people will become less ignorant, more accepting, and will be able to breed better and more intricate ideas about the problems that face society. Surely, with the death of ignorance and of death itself, the world will be a much better place.
cmonutube 1 year ago
Not only will we be able to extend our lives indefinitely, but we will also be able to extend our knowledge indefinitely. Instead of having to procreate, and having this repetitive cycle where a baby, who knows nothing about the world, will have to start from scratch, learning and learning and learning for years, until finally they die and having their knowledge die with them, the baby will not die. The baby will continue to live, grow, and turn into a responsible adult.
cmonutube 1 year ago
Interesting ideas here, but we'll need to first colonize space before this happens. We'll run out of resources if everyone is able to stop the aging process before then. Either that or ban the bearing of children until a certain of amount of unaging people have died due to accidents or crime.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius No, FIRST we defeat aging, THEN we colonize space. The main reason we haven't colonized space already is because there's no societal, commercial or economical pressure to do so. When we've solved the death and disease problems here THEN we start planning colonization of other worlds, after everyone puts their support behind it. Space colonization can wait, aging can't, it's killing us every second.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh
By then it may too late. If our attempts at colonization end in failure, then the result would no doubt be suffering and death on a large scale.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius Not really. People have been crying about overpopulation since the days of the industrial revolution. It's not an issue of life extension at all, it's more of a problem of education. As long as people produce more than they consume resources will never run out, unless you're talking about oil. Peak oil is decades away and by then several of the alternative energy sources we're currently researching will have surely come to fruition.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh It is an issue of life extension. We're looking at population that will never level out, barring some natural disaster or a prohibition against having children. Many technological advances would have to accompany life extension, which is what happened during the industrial revolution. But of course we cannot take it for granted that these advances will occur. If our reproduction rates outpace our capability to sustain our ever-expanding non-dying populations then we are in trouble.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius Overpopulation is currently only a problem in non-developed countries, precisely because they don't have the education or the economic resources needed to solve that problem. In developed countries the birth rate is at 1% every year and actually in steady decline, with the exception of part of europe (simply because of the vatican). So yes, it is an issue of education and not life extension, we must first solve the immediate problems instead of solving the ones that come after.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh
That's actually irrelevant. Even if there were no overpopulation problem in the world now, one would still develop eventually in the absence of death, which is the issue at hand. Again, we cannot take it for granted that technology will be able to alleviate all the problems brought on by a forever-expanding population on this planet. Simply waiting until the overpopulation problem arises could equally lead to a number of disastrous scenarios.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius Death would not be completely absent, that would be impossible. All this does is merely alleviate the imposition of pathology and death caused by aging. People will still be able to die in all the other available ways. And regardless of that, a risk of overpopulation and resource shortages is not a good enough justification to let 100,000 people die painfully per day.
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Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh
Sorry but the people who are dying "painfully" everyday aren't those dying of "natural causes." Diseases, crimes, and accidents are responsible for those types of deaths, which in fact cause far more pain to the person and grief to relatives than, say, grandparents and great aunts dying peacefully of natural causes at 105 years of age. Viewed from this perspective, it seems to make more sense to focus our resources on preventing deaths of the former type rather than the latter.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius Well, all bridges and rivers. There is first and foremost a problem before us right now that we must solve.
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@PsychoJosh
Yes, and I think most people would consider the problem of preventable, non-naturally caused death to be a far more serious problem than that of cenetarians dying in their sleep due to mere old age.
If it's a question of where our resources should be going, then there's no question.
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@PsychoJosh
Yes, and I think most people would consider the problem of preventable, non-natually caused death to be a far more serious problem than that of cenetarians dying in their sleep due to mere old age.
If it's a question of where our resources should be going, then there's no question.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh
It's a problem if you see it as a problem I guess (though it appears just to be a matter of preference), but surely ridding ourselves of non-natural death due to disease, accident, and death is a far more pressing matter.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius I don't really see how as aging is just another thing that goes wrong with the body, and things that go wrong with the body are precisely what medicine is there to fix. There is a direct correlation between diseases and aging, as you become more susceptible to disease as you get older. Young people by comparison almost never get sick. I don't see how you can be against disease but FOR aging.
Something being "natural" has no bearing at all on whether it is good or even desirable.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh and like my husband said, enjoy your death!
charisaob 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh
>I don't see how you can be against disease but FOR aging.
Easy. If all diseases are cured, then you'll ONLY be able to die of natural causes.
>Something being "natural" has no bearing at all on whether it is good or even desirable.
And like I said, what is desirable to you, in this case the absence of natural death, is equally arbitrary. So just don't pretend that your reasons for preferring it are any more valid than those you prefer a purely natural death.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius The thing is, the evidence is stacked up against "natural death" being natural at all. It only occurs due to the accumulation of damage throughout life, which in turn causes susceptibility to disease. Take away aging and you take away disease, simple as that. The purpose of medicine is to extend life, thus the only logical endpoint of medicine is biological "immortality", that is, never reaching a frail stage where disease manages to get to you.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh
>Take away aging and you take away disease, simple as that.
Patently false. Infants and teenagers obviously get diseases.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius Obviously, but the serious morbidity caused by disease only occurs in older people. Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses. Pardon me if I worded my last comment wrong, I'm pretty tired right now.
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Tyrhonius 1 year ago
@Tyrhonius No, it's not. There is of course the odd youth that catches cancer or malaria or some other disease but this is either through genetics or his own carelessness, whereas older people inevitably catch a disease once their bodies accumulate enough damage, at which point any fatal bug can easily worm its way into them and kill them. "Death from natural causes" is really just death from catching a disease and your body not being able to do anything about it because it's too old.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
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@PsychoJosh
"Basically, the things that old people die of are the same things that young people almost NEVER die of"
Do you just enjoy making false statements? About.com "The leading causes of death among adults over the age of 65 are also the among most common causes of death among the population as a whole."
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@PsychoJosh
>Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses.
You must be really tired, because this statement is equally false. In any case, if diseases were eliminated, then people wouldn't need to amass such defenses in the first place.
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@PsychoJosh
>Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses.
You must be really tired, because this statement is equally false. In any case, if the diseases were eliminated, then they wouldn't need to amass such defenses in the first place.
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@PsychoJosh
>Any fatal disease found in youths are purely hereditary, whereas in older people they are simply the cause of their failing bodies and their inability to amass sufficient defenses.
You must be really tired, because this statement is equally false. In any case, if the diseases were eliminated, then they wouldn't need to amass such defenses in the first place.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago
I think it's hilarious that Jason Silva is establishing himself as the primary speaker and focus in this film. Notice how he cuts Ray Kurzweil off mid-sentence several times towards the end--he interrupts RAY KURZWEIL. Also, the "singularity" is not about becoming immortal or avoiding death. It's unfortunate that this guy is the one bringing any publicity to the topic.
CardiganKiller 1 year ago
@CardiganKiller Transcending human biology and biological limitations are almost central to the singularity.
Ch4osW4rrior 1 year ago
@Ch4osW4rrior Transcending human biology and biological limitations does not imply immortality, especially considering potential implications for the definition of consciousness after this event. And with regard to the singularity, biological transcendence is only a possible symptom. No one can predict the future in that regard, only extrapolate current technological trends. The future might be life in 8-bit pixel-land because the Borg needs all the CPU cycles to construct a new Dyson sphere.
CardiganKiller 1 year ago
@CardiganKiller It's not just a "possible symptom", there are several groups and organizations working towards the goal of biological transcendence. When technology goes asymptotic what's to stop them from reaching that goal in record time?
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
very interesting....
but how long we, you want to life; 300 years, 1000 years or even for ever??
First of all i think the world don't have the resources to feed Billions of immortal peoples!
And I think after lets say 500 years life its getting dam boring - always the same problems always the same wars. As we know humanity learns nothing for History...
but very interesting and a very old wish since the first steps of Mankind.
Tomiland 1 year ago
GREAT !!!! BRAVO ...well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SIRTONY 1 year ago
I don't think that the human species is responsible or mature enough to be allowed to live forever yet.
Some people seem to be afraid of death and want to escape from death, in my opinion this attitude demonstrates that we are not ready to live forever yet.
cjeam9199 1 year ago
hey yo arent you jordans brother ??? ahahaha yep. I saw linda in the video lol. say hi to your bro in china for me .
erwannbd 1 year ago
If we were actually somehow able to perfect a scientific way to freeze and store people to be reanimated back to life do you really believe that everyone will have access to this ultimate luxury? The world is crowded enough already and only those who are worthy will be allowed to participate. AKA The rich, powerful, beautiful and politically or culturally connected will be allowed to proceed. The fat, ugly and stupid common folk have had their time bye bye thank you for your service carry on now
whathoney73 1 year ago
I like that last quote, very inspirational.
CaptEm1 1 year ago
*death isn't a problem. Living forever without the option would be.
*Evolution isn't cruel, that's nature, and not nature in whole but nature in part (destructive). Without death there wouldn't be adaptation, selection needs death.
*we can do something about it. Those who are heaven bound idiots, think they are immortal...
*Full of contradictions.
Juefawn 1 year ago
Good movie otherwise though. Good job!
Juefawn 1 year ago
of course one would choose to live rather than die, but i still feel very torn by the idea of this. 'death is the road to awe', there is a truth to the universe that cannot be understood within the confines of our organic bodies, and living forever would detract you from ever seeing that truth. if i lived for a million years, i would get fucking bored of life and shoot myself in the head just to experience something new.
indosaur 1 year ago
There's no true to find after death. You're just broken down and recycle.
petion2000 1 year ago 2
Fine go for it!
Ch4osW4rrior 1 year ago
rottenspectre, I so far have never and intend to never reproduce. That COULD work in theory a world of near immortals who all agree not to reproduce it would be the same few billion people all the time. Would it eventually get to the point where everyone kind of knows everyone? Eventually you would know hundreds of millions of people, the "six degrees of separation" would be 3 degrees.
Zurround100 1 year ago
What about the cycle of life? Nature needs the old to die off to leave room for the young.
Zurround100 1 year ago
I suppose we would have to stop breeding. I don't see why we couldn't adapt.
rottenspectre 1 year ago
Every body wants eternal life but I fear there are certain people out there that would hate to see populations live forever these people with the intent on lying to, oppressing, degrading, enslaving, and/or killing me or you. With this achievement for there own pleasure. I am definately for it though. I thing the human being will have immortality soon
I might be 56 then lol
jonathanhuntercrooks 1 year ago 2
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Absolute immortality is not possible because a perfectly immortal being still dies when the SUN does, think about it, a perfectly immortal person would be dead in a few billion years when the sun goes nova
Zurround100 2 years ago
@Zurround100 believe me, if we were really immoral now we would have moved to another star a billion years from now. a nova of the sun wouldn't stop us
vrshowdown 1 year ago
You think in a few billion years we couldn't have the technology of a space ship? Our technology will be far more powerful and important then one small star less than a thousand years from now much less a billion.
ryanp123456 1 year ago 2
Who said we have to stay in this solar system only
petion2000 1 year ago
When I watched this, the first question that came in was: which living being came closer to immortality? I can only think about trees right know, and not all of them, but yeah, I could say is a not bad sample for such challenging questioning.
Other thing that comes to me is about life quality.
biporio 2 years ago
Google up hydrozoan those things were found when they are 800, 900 years old!!!
rawrianna 1 year ago
I agree. If you had the choice to die or to live I think I know which one you'd choose....
i10Blog 2 years ago
hey does anyone know what piano piece that is in the background at the beginning?? chopin something maybe? don't know...
ccccorde 2 years ago
That would be Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata.
korisx 2 years ago 3
Excellent video! Aging is a horrible disease, and should be treated as such, not denied (via fantasies of heaven or reincarnation), glorified, or trivialized. Rationally and morally this is a non-issue: just do it!
Parapon3ra 2 years ago 15
Ofcource its an issue, its something we must do at all costs. It would be scientific 'criminal' to not pursue those avenues.
narfle 2 years ago 4
@Parapon3ra @Parapon3ra If they find a cure for aging it will never be released to the public, because it will destroy the human race. If nobody dies, the earth will become overpopulated, resources and food will quickly dissappear, and wars will begin resulting in death and destruction. It will never work unless we explore space and find a way to move across the galaxy and settle down on other planets.
CaptEm1 1 year ago
@CaptEm1 There is a POSSIBILITY that overpopulation becomes a problem. But that mere possibility is not even close to a good enough deterrent to choose the alternative option, which is doing nothing about aging and letting hundreds of thousands continue to die by the day. We will all have to make a choice: have a high death rate or a low birth rate.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh First of all you can't force people not to have children, nobody will listen to that. 2nd, I would love to see a cure, but the government will never release that kind of information. Hell, they might even have it now as we speak, and they might be paying the scientists who found out the answer to keep their mouths shut. Either way, I don't think we'll ever see the cure.
CaptEm1 1 year ago
@CaptEm1 Well there's a good reason why you're wrong. Current estimations predict that, if nothing is done about aging, then by 2050 we'll be spending trillions of dollars on health care for alzheimer's patients alone, whiich doesn't even begin to count the astronomical amount we'll be spending on other age-related diseases. They have every incentive to release the cure for aging to the public, unless you believe we'll fall into a dystopia where the government just doesn't care about its people.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh Are you crazy? We already have a population growth problem TODAY, what the hell do you think will happen if suddenly people just stop dying? With current growth rates we'll have 19 billion people by 2100, that's twice as much as the earth can sustain. If people stop dying we would have 100 billion people by 2100. The human civilization would be completely destroyed a long with our planet. If you can't see that, then you're deluding yourself big time.
CaptEm1 1 year ago
@CaptEm1 Nobody said anything about people not dying. Just because they no longer die from age-related pathologies doesn't mean they're somehow incapable of dying, there will still be accidents and murders in the world, there will still be sickness and hunger. It's just that no one will die from merely getting old anymore. And again, overpopulation is only a POSSIBILITY, not a guaranteed outcome. You're sadly confused as to who's deluding himself here.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@PsychoJosh How can you say it's a "possibilty" when the math is staring you right in the face? It's basic math. We are already having major problems with over population NOW. The estimated upper population limit the earth can sustain is around 10 billion. With our current growth rate of 1,3% we'll reach that in 2050, and it will keep growing beyond that. When you REMOVE a major stabilizing factor like "death by old age" the growth rate will sky rocket.
CaptEm1 1 year ago
@CaptEm1 "With our current growth rate of 1,3%"
No. It's 1.133% annual...
google. com/search?q=population+growth+rate+1.133
...and dropping:
google. com/search?q=world+population+growth+rate
"With current growth rates we'll have 19 billion people by 2100"
The medium (rather than high or low) UN-2004 projection shows negative growth after 2050, and 9 billion in 2100:
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/World_population
hitssquad 1 year ago
@CaptEm1 Funny, first I've heard of it.
PsychoJosh 1 year ago
@Parapon3ra
It's actually perfect given our present ecological limitations.
Tyrhonius 1 year ago