This is our evolution, men's head, oh, I mean, psycopaths everywhere, we will not use what is not useful, and here good things aren't functional..... intelligence can be a god, violence is a parallel topic. So, sexist men, what do you admire? what are you?
What about the science that is killing the world. The red algae from fertilizers. That put you in an instant coma if you walk into them...our science is killing us...or is it the moral men of science? On the edge knowing they could be wrong still? In my opinion they are reducing life on this planet. It's as though, it is their main goal. They being the Elitist. The real owners of The Corporation & World Bank. A single cell, that can see all things... =) chem trails, fluoride, Eco Science
Obama has done the same thing. He went to a christian church. Went to notre dame they probably made him honarary member. But he is not CHRISTIAN! neither was HITlER. Everything these men did was aginst GOD.
@seeker425 - Thing number 1: Ever heard of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy? Deciding that people who self-identify as Christians are not "real" Christians is not something you get to do (not and have anyone else accept what you say).
Thing number 2: The implied comparison of _any_ of our current political figures to a veritable icon of all that is evil is so over-the-top that it marks you as someone not worth taking seriously. You have no sense of proportion.
Every high school kid should watch this segment (if they don't have time for the entire series)... Bruno sums up MOST of the problems that face the planet in a matter of minutes
There was a worldwide hatred of Jews,blamed for the death of Christ. The history of Europe is littered with their murders, in England they were driven out completely. Nazi's added some bogus science claims to this traditional hatred. Hitler remained a Catholic and the only German excommunicated by the Pope was Himmler, and for the hideous crime of...........
marrying a protestant.
At least the catholic church got its priorities right.
A major element in what caused those deaths is, as was said in the video; arrogance; the belief that one group of people is above and disconnected from another. The them-and-us mentality that is behind every genocide that ever happened and ever will happen says there are some groups of people who are almost different species and can just die. Science has found we're not so different as we like to think, that in the eyes of every sentient being is something hauntingly familiar. We're all related
@technologysucks I think he was referring to the arrogance of those who think they know the truth and know it with absolute certainty even tho they have no evidence for it.
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STUPIDITY!!!!! It was Fascism/Nazism that "enlightened" the "superior beings" to kill so many Jews and Christians, not dogma. Did you know Hitler had a bunker just for Priests. It wasn't Dogma-it was EVIL and it's willing & proudful accomplices! Some of those willing accomplices were Jews, by the way. How do you spell it- Ashkenazi, the last four letters of which spell nazi. Maybe you can teach the world something about this in your next video production. God help us, all!
im either agnostic or athiest,,ive seen enough of religious fanaticism in my life,,whether its catholics and protestant ,,muslims and jews,,its the seed for hate which turns into violence,,i really believe when we have come so far in science that the brainwashing has to stop,,weve got to stop telling our children we know the answers,,we dont,we need to put religon on hold and learn how to be human again,,lets just stop hating one another and take it from there..a ban on religjon.
I have been told many times that atheism and science are arrogant. Know it alls. But to be an atheist is to question, as science is based on asking questions, and the act of questioning. How arrogant of me to question things. Yes, I am a know it all, this is why I ask questions? Seems a bit of an unfounded statement to me.
Why couldn't 2 billion Christians be wrong? There was once a time when 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and to state otherwise was considered heresy.
They were wrong.
It's this kind of thinking Christians have that make us atheists shudder at the concept of being "included" in such a crowd. If Christians didn't consistently make themselves look idiotic all the time we'd perhaps take them more seriously. Their arguments are grounded in emotion, fear, and ignorance of the unknown.
Apparently the subtle ironic humor of my post has escaped you. A quick perusal of my vids will make it obvious that I would never defend ignorance or dogma.
Bronowski's speech here is one of the most powerful things I've ever heard. And to punctuate it with putting his hand into the dirt that holds the ashes of his family and all those other people...it seems the very definition of poignancy.
I first saw this as a half-grown girl, barely capable of grasping Dr. Bronowski's points. Over thirty years later, it has lost none of its pathos nor its power.
If you and up in the afterlife drinking stale beer and cuddling with ugly strippers then it can be due to mistake of our Lord and Creator (he gets intoxicated quite often)... in that case you may ask for retrial.
Science IS constantly admitting that we just don't know, but we are trying to learn. Religion says that it, in whatever form it takes, knows the mind of the creator, and therefore is infallible.
I know many people like to claim Hitler was an atheist, but he wasn't. He believed God had chosen him for the work of destroying the Jews.
I know I'm just repeating what was said in the video. I'm just saying, YEAH, I agree and we see it too.
"Twenty-one days after Germany's unconditional surrender, Richard Jenne, just four years old, became the last victim of the euthanasia killers". Henry Friedlander
This happened on 29 May, 1945, in the children's ward of the Kaufbeuren-Irsee state hospital in Bavaria,Germany more than three weeks after troops from the USA, had occupied the town.
Source:
The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution by Henry Friedlander,
Absolute knowledge doesn't cause someone to turn into a killer. I am absolutely sure that gravity exists, but that doesn't make me a killer. The moral issues surrounding the murder of millions is different from someone acquiring knowledge.
So, by your reasoning, I pose a threat if I am absolutely convinced in the theory of evolution, or that I absolutely believe that in a ten-based number system that 2 plus 2 equals 4? One can have a belief in absolute knowledge and not pose a danger to anyone. The problem is believing that it is okay to commit mass murder to serve some higher purpose. That is the threat.
There is no such thing as "absolute understanding" in Science. There are things that are verifiable, phenomena that follow observable patterns of behavior, that have a high tendency of recurring in a predictable way, and that can be applied to understanding other observable events in the universe...but Science is incapable of ever proclaiming anything "100% proven." That's why Science works, it is a process that has the ability to be corrected built in.
If you believe that there is no such thing as absolute understanding in science, then you have just contradicted yourself. You claim that it is absolutely certain that there are no absolutes in science, but that claim would itself be an absolute claim of some kind. This is the old refutation of extreme skeptics that didn't want to believe anything. But the point is that scientist can believe in a great deal without harming anyone.
"You claim that it is absolutely certain that there are no absolutes in science, but that claim would itself be an absolute claim of some kind."
You are right, he did miss the fact that their are axiomatic proponents within science. Such as the law of conservation of energy and mass, and the like. But the extrapolatory conclusions from these axioms are always prone to reinterpretation pending new conflicting data.
Basically, yes, a scientist's knowledge is fluid and can expand with experimentation and research, but only to a certain point. Semantics aside, Science is the process by which humanity observes nature, so by its own definition it is limited through the natural limitations of the human sensory apparatus. Until we can perceive microwaves and the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum, transmit ideas perfectly or smell colors we will never achieve a perfect understanding of, well, anything.
"or that I absolutely believe that in a ten-based number system that 2 plus 2 equals 4?"
That's not absolute knowledge, that's tautology.
"I pose a threat if I am absolutely convinced in the theory of evolution, "
If you are heavily convinced in the theory of evolution judging by the data, there is no issue. But the moment you stop looking to challenge your own ideas is when it becomes dangerous. Albeit, I can't imagine any level-headed mind opposing evolution thus far.
The laws of addition are not a tautology, they involve absolute knowledge. No one can deny that 2 pie r equals the circumference of a circle. That is absolute knowledge, I don't need to question it anymore, and I am positive that mass murder will not be the result. The attack should be against politics of hate and people who promote hatred.
I just want to point out that equations are not true by definition. The definition for a circle's circumference is the distance required to circumnavigate the circle, not 2 pi r. We use the diameter of the circle, multiplied by the constant pi, or 3.14159265358979, to FIND the circumference, not to define what that means.
A defined tautology involves saying something like "God is holy." Of course God is holy. Holy is defined as godlike, or relating to god, not that that means he exists.
"2 pi r. We use the diameter of the circle, multiplied by the constant pi, or 3.14159265358979, to FIND the circumference, not to define what that means."
No. Look into where the number for pi comes from, you will be surprised.
@Lar10000: Absolute knowledge is used here as another wording for dogma. Absolute knowledge about the existence of gravity is not dogmatic, it is testable.
Okay, then try this. I am absolutely convinced that treating others as I would like to be treated is a good thing. Now, how is my "arrogance" in believing that going to lead to the death of millions? It won't. Arrogance isn't the problem, neither is dogmatism. The problem is a belief system that condones violence. The problem is that narrow.
"I am absolutely convinced that treating others as I would like to be treated is a good thing."
Tell that to a sadomasochist. Or a psychotic mass murderer. You wouldn't want to be locked up, nor would they.
Universal morality is either too fussy to be certain of, or can be specifically misused. So it seems.
Violence follows after intellectual stability has been breached. Sometimes conflicting dogma/arrogance can lead to violence unintentionally. It's just the nature of mental inflexibility.
gravity exists the evidence is were you stand, siting, running . look at the moon, Mars, the sun. every thing in space. Space is the evidence. it's not magic.. it's logic
It is falsifiable however, and therefore conditional upon evidence.
I'm not saying that gravity isn't a fact, just that any rational theory can be changed given the addition of new conflicting data. Therefore, they are not absolutely certain.
Absolute certainties a bad thing, they are the true evils of the mind.
we do not have evidence that gravity actually exists... EM force is that is proven to exist... on gravity we just observe its effects but actually we do not have a single solid evidence that it is not something supernatural
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.... do you have evidence that it is not something like that? (though I was thinking something like the devil that does not want us to ascend to heaven, but if we claim that stratosphere, ionosphere, cosmic radiation and interplanetary void is hazardous to human health then angels just might be the case)...
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF FOR GRAVITY GOD-HATING ATHEISTS?
I saw his response at work so I couldnt reply... Geebsee thats exactly what I would have stated! But I've got another one :D ! what about the moon? are the astronauts jumping up so high cause there are less angels up there? or are the angels trying to pull his ass back to earth? And how am I suppose to hate something I dont believe in? dude thats minus 8 DINDRAGON, 0 me :)
Geebsee is correct when he/she said , there is no proof , just jump ... compared with "believers" sayin´that there IS proof ?
Folks , you miss the point , it´s not worth talking to believers , because religions do not bother with TRUTH - PROOF - REALITY !!!
THEY have "holy - bookss " ... lol , that tell them anything ... so do not bother , just let them get over the edge of the Cliff and they see for semselves !
Sadly, I feel there will come a time when humanity will pay for its tolerance of the willfully ignorant. I wonder if the few living "Realists" will have the strength to at least, save themselves when the "Faithers" pull humanity over the edge?
Gravity can be observed. No god worshipped at any point in history has ever been demonstrated to exist. I do not hate that which I do not think exists.
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How about the gospels? They tell everything! 2 billion self-proclaimed Christian can't be wrong... You mean you Dawkins, Hawkins (practically the same person) and your gang of... I don't know... 50(or less?) atheists around the world are smart and all other people are stupid?
If you are taught from birth about god before you have had chance to learn about the world and how the world works, its no wonder so many people believe in god, if a lie is big enough people will believe it, then we have people who think it is RIGHT to kill millions of jews.
He's saying that blind belief in the correctness of the statements of those in authority, claiming to represent the greater good, led to the holocaust, and there is absolutely no difference between that blind, unwavering faith, and the blind, unwavering faith of fundamentalists who either try to interpret the will of their invisible friend, or zealously believe and obey the words of their chosen religious authority, be it a pope, a preacher, a televangelist, etc. despite the facts and evidence.
Etimos, i have to say that im abseloutly amazed at the clarity and correctness of your interpretation of the Bronowski's speech!..I couldnt have put it better myself.
i'm sorry but religion had a lot to do with holocaust. Antisemitism was there centuries before the nazi Germany.all because christianity (Mathew 27:25).Do you thing that jews were not persecuted and killed by thousands in the middle ages for the false crimes like spreading the plague or eating babies?and not only that but they were forced to live segregated and to,for example, have to wear special clothing to identify them as jews, just like in Nazi germany?
I have not read his books - are you referring to "Is Christianity Good for the World"?
Admittedly, I am not familiar enough with this aspect of the Holocaust and don't know what the Church's official stance was on the 3rd Reich in general or the holocaust in particular. I know there were clergymen on both sides.
Some of Nazism and Fascism's most courageous opponents were Catholic priests & bishops, who told their congregations that Jesus, and no living man, was their leader.
I can assure you, and I am referring to "God Is Not Great". While it may be true that some catholic priests and bishops contested the pagan beliefs of the Nazi party, Hitler ultimately was a Catholic and was funded by the Catholic church. You can also hear this disputed in virtually every debate Hitchens and Dawkins have participated in. All these debates are on youtube
Belief and making your choices not by yourself but on the authoritys and people around you led to the holocaust, if you examine religion closely they are more or less the same thing.
Have you even read Hitler's book? Do you have any idea? He was a Christian creationist- he neither understood or accepted real evolution but instead subscribed to the notions of "social Darwinism" - a movement that began as a misunderstanding of how evolution applied to the survival of humanity. He stated very frequently how that he was "defending" his nation from the Jew, and he used divine inspiration in the pursuit of his faith-based initiatives. He believed in Christ very deeply...
Cyraside, did you mean to reply to me? Because I'm not really sure how your points are connected to what I said above - which was a general statement about how religion and fascism can be similar but don't necessarily have to be. I wasn't addressing Hitler in particular.
Yes, I've read Mein Kampf and I did know Hitler was a creationist who was influenced by Social Darwinism. (I also know about the movement and how it also influenced American robber barons - for example, Dale Carnegie.)
@boyleb1 The hell it is. Did you know that the Catholic Church & several high priests had a "rat line" going on for many Nazis to escape from Germany before the war ended. Because killing Jews is, and always has been- an all too religious-minded dream. So has racism, inequality, etc. But what's most humorous is how that I'm suddenly "gay" simply for not agreeing with you and pointing out the obvious. What's more to say from someone who fears mortality & subscribes to an ego-centrist worldview.
@Cyraside Hitler was no follower of Jesus Christ. How could he be, when Jesus was a Jew, and who said that "salvation is of the Jews"? The idea that all people are made in the image of God EXCLUDES racism. But racism is not excluded in a philosophy which makes it easy to believe that some races are less evolved than others, and that teaches a brutal law of survival of the fittest. Hitler, the liar, may have paid lip service to Christianity, but his policies were consistent with Darwinian ideas.
@The1066Al Social Darwinism is a complete an utter separate thing from the theory of evolution. It is used in sociology to describe a criminal behavior of "If they wanted it, they should've hid it better." Akin to identifying as a wolf, the 'fittest' amongst the sheep. Furthermore, nobody but Hitler decides what Hitler believes. You don't get to retroactively declare him to not be fitting your own definition of your religion. And if you don't see how Hitler could believe in Jesus, a 'Jew'
It's called democracy. You do not have to be rational. All you have to do to be "right" is to have most others to like you and agree with you without troubling themselves why and if you disagree with that you are either a fascist, a communist, or morally bankrupt.
That is the new argument of theist you know... Objective undeniable evidence are considered "enemies of free thought".
We, as mankind, need to stop thinking about absolute knowledge. Some people seem to feel bad now knowing everything with absolute certainty, like how the universe began, why abiogenesis took place and don't want death to be the end.
Those are the same people that believe in religion and it makes me a little sad because casting all those questions away and believing you have complete knowledge on false grounds does no-one good.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof lies on you to provide evidence if you are making such a claim of supernaturality.
The spectacles were taken from Jewish prisoners arriving at Aushcwitz, along with many other items. They found entire rooms full of watches, shoes, briefcases, and other items.
The German officers would turn quite a profit stealing the expensive pieces of jewellry and the like and selling it.
Power, in absolute, is a myth. True power is on the scale of Andromeda mixing with the Milky way. An event we have no jurisdiction over. Powerful. Even if we close our eyes and talk to our shoes, the collision will happen.
The idiocy of an alignment of the Super Massive black hole and the earth and moon, a thing that happens every year, will have no effect on human personality. That fact doesn't sell newspapers, online or delivered, but it is a fact of reality just the same.
I don't know if I agree with this statement towards the end: "We have to cure ourselves of the itch for absolute knowledge..." What does he mean by absolute knowledge? I assume that wanting as much knowledge as possible generally pushes society forward. Or am I interpreting "absolute knowledge" incorrectly?
well, absolute knowledge is a sign of dogma. There is no, to my knowledge, route to pursue that would lead to absolute knowledge (absolute certainty) expect by stipulation somewhere without evidence that you are right, i.e., being dogmatic.
I'm guessing the itch for that which we cannot attain (absolute knowledge, being omniscience - a thing beyond us). We do not search for absolute knowledge, either, in as much as we consider ourselves endowed with it through "arrogance, dogma, and ignorance".
Also saying that when we put our reasoning through a God (an infallible being), we wreak havoc in what is but our own very real fallibility and carelessness when approaching reality.
To know and be sure of everything. We do want to progress forward that's the whole point, it's all about being interesting in investigating rather than seeking to know everything (usually for power).
That's what I like about space, if we get out there we are theoretically overwhelmed with pathways for our investigation.
I pondered it for a moment and I reason that he must mean the belief that you already know everything. Such as people who believe in God and say 'We know God made everything, lets not bother looking any further'
I have had up the first Part of Jacob's series "Lower than the Angels," for about a year now. It goes a long way towards educating a lot of ignorant people. I wish he was still alive. He died shortly after making the series.
Seeing footage from Auswitch have such a bigger impact after actually being there, one thing i did not like with my visit there though was that people had left a bunch of flowers inside the ovens in the crematorium, sounds really harsh i know but it kinda destroys the foto-moment when you want to take as historically accurate pictures as possible.
Yeah i know im rambling but it was kinda annoying and destroys the setting a little bit.
mans ability to fail is increased when his belief of truth is certain, and were is man more certain of truth, in politics and religion, that is were mankind needs to be more aware and cautious.
This is our evolution, men's head, oh, I mean, psycopaths everywhere, we will not use what is not useful, and here good things aren't functional..... intelligence can be a god, violence is a parallel topic. So, sexist men, what do you admire? what are you?
viviane5572 4 weeks ago
Some de-scent on the graph too.
DougPatton1 1 month ago
What about the science that is killing the world. The red algae from fertilizers. That put you in an instant coma if you walk into them...our science is killing us...or is it the moral men of science? On the edge knowing they could be wrong still? In my opinion they are reducing life on this planet. It's as though, it is their main goal. They being the Elitist. The real owners of The Corporation & World Bank. A single cell, that can see all things... =) chem trails, fluoride, Eco Science
CovenantOfLove 7 months ago
Obama has done the same thing. He went to a christian church. Went to notre dame they probably made him honarary member. But he is not CHRISTIAN! neither was HITlER. Everything these men did was aginst GOD.
seeker425 11 months ago
@seeker425 - Thing number 1: Ever heard of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy? Deciding that people who self-identify as Christians are not "real" Christians is not something you get to do (not and have anyone else accept what you say).
Thing number 2: The implied comparison of _any_ of our current political figures to a veritable icon of all that is evil is so over-the-top that it marks you as someone not worth taking seriously. You have no sense of proportion.
CombinatorialImplosi 11 months ago
@seeker425 we must close the distance, between the push button order of the internet, and my axe through your face
boyleb1 10 months ago
No one trusts knowledge because they don't know.
Technicolor909 1 year ago 2
Every high school kid should watch this segment (if they don't have time for the entire series)... Bruno sums up MOST of the problems that face the planet in a matter of minutes
hdtwoodsman 1 year ago 5
Dogma + Ignorance = Religion
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 year ago 8
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weedtilidiedude 2 years ago
There was a worldwide hatred of Jews,blamed for the death of Christ. The history of Europe is littered with their murders, in England they were driven out completely. Nazi's added some bogus science claims to this traditional hatred. Hitler remained a Catholic and the only German excommunicated by the Pope was Himmler, and for the hideous crime of...........
marrying a protestant.
At least the catholic church got its priorities right.
LouisPlume 2 years ago 7
@LouisPlume
Someone's been watching a bit of Hitchens! ;-)
jufresh69 1 year ago
Actually it was Gobbels, not Himmler, that was excommunicated for marrying a Protestant.
HappySkeptic 1 year ago 2
@HappySkeptic Sory of course it was Gobbles. I am humbled.
LouisPlume 1 year ago
No problem. I only learnt about Gobbels excommunication from Hitchens book "God is not Great", so thank Hitchens.
HappySkeptic 1 year ago 2
A major element in what caused those deaths is, as was said in the video; arrogance; the belief that one group of people is above and disconnected from another. The them-and-us mentality that is behind every genocide that ever happened and ever will happen says there are some groups of people who are almost different species and can just die. Science has found we're not so different as we like to think, that in the eyes of every sentient being is something hauntingly familiar. We're all related
technologysucks 2 years ago 6
@technologysucks I think he was referring to the arrogance of those who think they know the truth and know it with absolute certainty even tho they have no evidence for it.
paolo27th 1 year ago
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STUPIDITY!!!!! It was Fascism/Nazism that "enlightened" the "superior beings" to kill so many Jews and Christians, not dogma. Did you know Hitler had a bunker just for Priests. It wasn't Dogma-it was EVIL and it's willing & proudful accomplices! Some of those willing accomplices were Jews, by the way. How do you spell it- Ashkenazi, the last four letters of which spell nazi. Maybe you can teach the world something about this in your next video production. God help us, all!
Keenan1923 2 years ago
Dogma+ignorance=stupidity.
Gplex 2 years ago
@Gplex And dogma+ignorance+arrogance=some scary shit!
paolo27th 1 year ago 3
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@paolo27th : "dogma+ignorance+arrogance=some scary shit"
Correct. dogma+ignorance+arrogance = contemporary Islam
geodesicks 11 months ago
Unfortunately someone has just stolen the Arbeit Macht Frei sign from over the gates of Auschwitz.
tiggerdodds 2 years ago
im either agnostic or athiest,,ive seen enough of religious fanaticism in my life,,whether its catholics and protestant ,,muslims and jews,,its the seed for hate which turns into violence,,i really believe when we have come so far in science that the brainwashing has to stop,,weve got to stop telling our children we know the answers,,we dont,we need to put religon on hold and learn how to be human again,,lets just stop hating one another and take it from there..a ban on religjon.
andrewkenworthy 2 years ago
totally agree with you
kiewadave 2 years ago
Second that for God's sake.
23skeedoo 2 years ago
How very true this and pertinent even today.
Wadfoster 2 years ago 2
Interesting video. :)
jdfox1 2 years ago 2
This makes a lot of sense if you've read Ishmael.
GBart 2 years ago
I feel like watching this every time I hear the old "Evolution makes you do the Holocaust" arguement.
ChristopherFolan 2 years ago 7
I have been told many times that atheism and science are arrogant. Know it alls. But to be an atheist is to question, as science is based on asking questions, and the act of questioning. How arrogant of me to question things. Yes, I am a know it all, this is why I ask questions? Seems a bit of an unfounded statement to me.
AzazelMachine 2 years ago 2
So sad that people can't accept facts like this.
Contemo 2 years ago 3
Wow. This guy is brilliant and I agree with him 100%! This clip should be compulsary viewing for everybody.
Seriously!
MangaFanGuy 2 years ago 6
the "faths" of the world cant all be right.....but they can all be wrong.
owden18 2 years ago 9
step away from ego. we are bacteria. harmful or beneficial, is a choice we can make. harmful seems to be the default mode.
steelfright1212 2 years ago 10
"NO GODS OR KINGS, ONLY MAN."
DantoraMandova 2 years ago 5
bioshock fan?
Lordluigibro 2 years ago
The more one believes they know, surely the less they know.
The one who believes they know everything, surely knows nothing.
The one who believes they know nothing, at least knows something.
gtg309v 2 years ago 48
@gtg309v Dang. That is deep.
Personally I think that I know less than I know.
Paetaor 11 months ago
"Mankind has been a litany of getting shit dead wrong".
23skeedoo 2 years ago 8
I have a tattered hard cover copy of the Ascent of man on the bookshelf behind me, it's one of the best books I've ever read.
I've never read Mein Kampf and can't think why I would want to.
Tapecutter59 2 years ago
Why couldn't 2 billion Christians be wrong? There was once a time when 99% of the people believed the earth was flat and to state otherwise was considered heresy.
They were wrong.
It's this kind of thinking Christians have that make us atheists shudder at the concept of being "included" in such a crowd. If Christians didn't consistently make themselves look idiotic all the time we'd perhaps take them more seriously. Their arguments are grounded in emotion, fear, and ignorance of the unknown.
Cyraside 2 years ago 8
This video is a Package-deal fallacy.
Not ALL ignorant dogmatists slaughter people.
qabala 2 years ago
dogma clouds logic thats the whole point. It can EASILY lead to situations like this. Are you paying attention? Please watch the video again.
thegreatestbak 2 years ago 2
Apparently the subtle ironic humor of my post has escaped you. A quick perusal of my vids will make it obvious that I would never defend ignorance or dogma.
Please read my post again.
qabala 2 years ago
my mistake...dunno how i missed that
thegreatestbak 2 years ago
Sarcasm is best left to the voice, not the paper, or in this case, the comment.
Wubblemeister 2 years ago 3
Who's being sarcastic?
qabala 2 years ago
Bronowski's speech here is one of the most powerful things I've ever heard. And to punctuate it with putting his hand into the dirt that holds the ashes of his family and all those other people...it seems the very definition of poignancy.
billyshake 2 years ago 3
Hey FFreeThinker, would you consider linking to my Ascent of Man playlist or video which I responded with in this video?
SpiralOut11235 2 years ago
I first saw this as a half-grown girl, barely capable of grasping Dr. Bronowski's points. Over thirty years later, it has lost none of its pathos nor its power.
1Weemaryanne 2 years ago
what a fantastic video.
jmsimpson11 2 years ago 3
great vid 5 stars
kendrawhisp 2 years ago 2
My WISH:
take better care of our minds
kingkongpingpongdong 2 years ago
moving
Thanks for the upload
grebrim 2 years ago
Everytime I see those photos (1:30 - 1:55) my eyes begin to water.
Jacnas 2 years ago
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Bravo.
I'm seldom this moved by a youtube video.
Bravo.
Wow.
hossrex 2 years ago
Brilliant
stlcityboy 2 years ago 2
One of the greatest series ever produced by the BBC. It should be repeated again and again... Cheers!
lostinthelandoflies 2 years ago 2
Wise words
paulhegsydney 2 years ago 4
If you and up in the afterlife drinking stale beer and cuddling with ugly strippers then it can be due to mistake of our Lord and Creator (he gets intoxicated quite often)... in that case you may ask for retrial.
Ramen.
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
Magnificent. Thank you for showing us this.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago 2
do you have the rest of this documentary? I'd be interested in see the whole show.
AbdultheImpailler 2 years ago
Science IS constantly admitting that we just don't know, but we are trying to learn. Religion says that it, in whatever form it takes, knows the mind of the creator, and therefore is infallible.
I know many people like to claim Hitler was an atheist, but he wasn't. He believed God had chosen him for the work of destroying the Jews.
I know I'm just repeating what was said in the video. I'm just saying, YEAH, I agree and we see it too.
cherrymiss72 2 years ago 4
inspiring.......
jojoinhere 2 years ago
Please remember Richard Jenne on the 29th of May.
"Twenty-one days after Germany's unconditional surrender, Richard Jenne, just four years old, became the last victim of the euthanasia killers". Henry Friedlander
This happened on 29 May, 1945, in the children's ward of the Kaufbeuren-Irsee state hospital in Bavaria,Germany more than three weeks after troops from the USA, had occupied the town.
Source:
The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution by Henry Friedlander,
yourcamden 2 years ago
"Ignorance is the only true evil." - Einstein
Ephemerance 2 years ago
I like this gentleman and have to agree with him. Dogma, intimidation, fear and ignorance - it's not unlike religions.
guitarbastrd 2 years ago
Very well stated. Thank you.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
This was very moving - thanks :)
discussislam 2 years ago
Absolute knowledge doesn't cause someone to turn into a killer. I am absolutely sure that gravity exists, but that doesn't make me a killer. The moral issues surrounding the murder of millions is different from someone acquiring knowledge.
Lar10000 2 years ago
It is not the search for knowledge that is the threat but the assumption that one possess absolute knowledge.
Dynamic0381 2 years ago
So, by your reasoning, I pose a threat if I am absolutely convinced in the theory of evolution, or that I absolutely believe that in a ten-based number system that 2 plus 2 equals 4? One can have a belief in absolute knowledge and not pose a danger to anyone. The problem is believing that it is okay to commit mass murder to serve some higher purpose. That is the threat.
Lar10000 2 years ago
There is no such thing as "absolute understanding" in Science. There are things that are verifiable, phenomena that follow observable patterns of behavior, that have a high tendency of recurring in a predictable way, and that can be applied to understanding other observable events in the universe...but Science is incapable of ever proclaiming anything "100% proven." That's why Science works, it is a process that has the ability to be corrected built in.
TheGunpowderTreason 2 years ago
If you believe that there is no such thing as absolute understanding in science, then you have just contradicted yourself. You claim that it is absolutely certain that there are no absolutes in science, but that claim would itself be an absolute claim of some kind. This is the old refutation of extreme skeptics that didn't want to believe anything. But the point is that scientist can believe in a great deal without harming anyone.
Lar10000 2 years ago
"You claim that it is absolutely certain that there are no absolutes in science, but that claim would itself be an absolute claim of some kind."
You are right, he did miss the fact that their are axiomatic proponents within science. Such as the law of conservation of energy and mass, and the like. But the extrapolatory conclusions from these axioms are always prone to reinterpretation pending new conflicting data.
Ephemerance 2 years ago
Basically, yes, a scientist's knowledge is fluid and can expand with experimentation and research, but only to a certain point. Semantics aside, Science is the process by which humanity observes nature, so by its own definition it is limited through the natural limitations of the human sensory apparatus. Until we can perceive microwaves and the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum, transmit ideas perfectly or smell colors we will never achieve a perfect understanding of, well, anything.
TheGunpowderTreason 2 years ago
I thought synaesthesia is pathological or at least perceptively inaccurate. You can taste music with LSD, you know. xD
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
"or that I absolutely believe that in a ten-based number system that 2 plus 2 equals 4?"
That's not absolute knowledge, that's tautology.
"I pose a threat if I am absolutely convinced in the theory of evolution, "
If you are heavily convinced in the theory of evolution judging by the data, there is no issue. But the moment you stop looking to challenge your own ideas is when it becomes dangerous. Albeit, I can't imagine any level-headed mind opposing evolution thus far.
Ephemerance 2 years ago 2
The laws of addition are not a tautology, they involve absolute knowledge. No one can deny that 2 pie r equals the circumference of a circle. That is absolute knowledge, I don't need to question it anymore, and I am positive that mass murder will not be the result. The attack should be against politics of hate and people who promote hatred.
Lar10000 2 years ago
"No one can deny that 2 pie r equals the circumference of a circle"
No one can deny it because we define it as such. It's tautology.
"The attack should be against politics of hate and people who promote hatred."
Hatred against hatred? Flame against flame? When does it end?
Ephemerance 2 years ago
I just want to point out that equations are not true by definition. The definition for a circle's circumference is the distance required to circumnavigate the circle, not 2 pi r. We use the diameter of the circle, multiplied by the constant pi, or 3.14159265358979, to FIND the circumference, not to define what that means.
A defined tautology involves saying something like "God is holy." Of course God is holy. Holy is defined as godlike, or relating to god, not that that means he exists.
JorickHorn 2 years ago
"2 pi r. We use the diameter of the circle, multiplied by the constant pi, or 3.14159265358979, to FIND the circumference, not to define what that means."
No. Look into where the number for pi comes from, you will be surprised.
It is a tautology.
Ephemerance 2 years ago
@Lar10000: Absolute knowledge is used here as another wording for dogma. Absolute knowledge about the existence of gravity is not dogmatic, it is testable.
HansTheAtheist 2 years ago
Okay, then try this. I am absolutely convinced that treating others as I would like to be treated is a good thing. Now, how is my "arrogance" in believing that going to lead to the death of millions? It won't. Arrogance isn't the problem, neither is dogmatism. The problem is a belief system that condones violence. The problem is that narrow.
Lar10000 2 years ago
"I am absolutely convinced that treating others as I would like to be treated is a good thing."
Tell that to a sadomasochist. Or a psychotic mass murderer. You wouldn't want to be locked up, nor would they.
Universal morality is either too fussy to be certain of, or can be specifically misused. So it seems.
Violence follows after intellectual stability has been breached. Sometimes conflicting dogma/arrogance can lead to violence unintentionally. It's just the nature of mental inflexibility.
Ephemerance 2 years ago
"I am absolutely sure that gravity exists"
So long as your belief is conditional upon evidence, it isn't absolute. Which is a good thing, of course.
Ephemerance 2 years ago 2
gravity exists the evidence is were you stand, siting, running . look at the moon, Mars, the sun. every thing in space. Space is the evidence. it's not magic.. it's logic
eeirertomb 2 years ago
It is falsifiable however, and therefore conditional upon evidence.
I'm not saying that gravity isn't a fact, just that any rational theory can be changed given the addition of new conflicting data. Therefore, they are not absolutely certain.
Absolute certainties a bad thing, they are the true evils of the mind.
Ephemerance 2 years ago
we do not have evidence that gravity actually exists... EM force is that is proven to exist... on gravity we just observe its effects but actually we do not have a single solid evidence that it is not something supernatural
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
like angels pulling you down to the ground so you don't fly away??
darkosminos 2 years ago
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.... do you have evidence that it is not something like that? (though I was thinking something like the devil that does not want us to ascend to heaven, but if we claim that stratosphere, ionosphere, cosmic radiation and interplanetary void is hazardous to human health then angels just might be the case)...
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF FOR GRAVITY GOD-HATING ATHEISTS?
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
There aren't any, it's a myth... Jump over a cliff and you'll see..
Geebsee 2 years ago 4
I saw his response at work so I couldnt reply... Geebsee thats exactly what I would have stated! But I've got another one :D ! what about the moon? are the astronauts jumping up so high cause there are less angels up there? or are the angels trying to pull his ass back to earth? And how am I suppose to hate something I dont believe in? dude thats minus 8 DINDRAGON, 0 me :)
darkosminos 2 years ago
see?... it's not hard to explain... you made this conclusion solely by yourself... you had a revelation!
ALL PRAISE THE LORD FOR INSPIRING TRUTH EVEN TO ATHEIST SOULESS SCUM!
Jesus loves you Darkosminos... and may The Lord publish your revelation of truth to the next creationists real-science publication.
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
Ok.... you got me on this one! Your sarcasm is hard to figure out, you need to work on this a bit more...
RAmen brother.
darkosminos 2 years ago
Well... tryin' to make a point there... expressing a stupid opinion with a serious attitude does not make it any less stupid.
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
the best thing can go spoof , right ???
Geebsee is correct when he/she said , there is no proof , just jump ... compared with "believers" sayin´that there IS proof ?
Folks , you miss the point , it´s not worth talking to believers , because religions do not bother with TRUTH - PROOF - REALITY !!!
THEY have "holy - bookss " ... lol , that tell them anything ... so do not bother , just let them get over the edge of the Cliff and they see for semselves !
GermanStraight1 2 years ago
that's why our beloved lord created parachutes!
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
Sadly, I feel there will come a time when humanity will pay for its tolerance of the willfully ignorant. I wonder if the few living "Realists" will have the strength to at least, save themselves when the "Faithers" pull humanity over the edge?
TaurusCanser 2 years ago 4
Gravity can be observed. No god worshipped at any point in history has ever been demonstrated to exist. I do not hate that which I do not think exists.
cannibalgourmet 2 years ago
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How about the gospels? They tell everything! 2 billion self-proclaimed Christian can't be wrong... You mean you Dawkins, Hawkins (practically the same person) and your gang of... I don't know... 50(or less?) atheists around the world are smart and all other people are stupid?
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
Its not about being smart or stupid. Its about founding your beliefs in empirical evidence.
Whether 1 person believed in the idea or everyone in the world is irrelevant If the merits of the idea are not sound. Argument from authority.
JuxTaPose117 2 years ago
A belief held by many does not make it true.
rAz0rBaCk1990 2 years ago 5
Dindragon, doesn't re-reading what you wrote shine a spotlight on where the stupidity lies?
PaleBlueDotCitizen 2 years ago
It sounds rather sarcastic what he wrote...:)
HKragh 2 years ago 3
Ramen! ;)
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
If you are taught from birth about god before you have had chance to learn about the world and how the world works, its no wonder so many people believe in god, if a lie is big enough people will believe it, then we have people who think it is RIGHT to kill millions of jews.
Kevinmwragg 2 years ago 3
Are you saying religion lead to the holocaust? I'm not clear on your overall point.
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
He's saying that blind belief in the correctness of the statements of those in authority, claiming to represent the greater good, led to the holocaust, and there is absolutely no difference between that blind, unwavering faith, and the blind, unwavering faith of fundamentalists who either try to interpret the will of their invisible friend, or zealously believe and obey the words of their chosen religious authority, be it a pope, a preacher, a televangelist, etc. despite the facts and evidence.
Etimos 2 years ago 10
Okay, I'll go along with your assessment of authoritarianism and its role in both the holocaust and fundamentalism.
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
Etimos, i have to say that im abseloutly amazed at the clarity and correctness of your interpretation of the Bronowski's speech!..I couldnt have put it better myself.
Serbpride4lif 2 years ago
i'm sorry but religion had a lot to do with holocaust. Antisemitism was there centuries before the nazi Germany.all because christianity (Mathew 27:25).Do you thing that jews were not persecuted and killed by thousands in the middle ages for the false crimes like spreading the plague or eating babies?and not only that but they were forced to live segregated and to,for example, have to wear special clothing to identify them as jews, just like in Nazi germany?
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EyeLean5280 2 years ago
The Nazi Party was directly endorsed by the Catholic Church...check out what Christopher Hitchens has to say about it.
thegreatestbak 2 years ago
I have not read his books - are you referring to "Is Christianity Good for the World"?
Admittedly, I am not familiar enough with this aspect of the Holocaust and don't know what the Church's official stance was on the 3rd Reich in general or the holocaust in particular. I know there were clergymen on both sides.
Some of Nazism and Fascism's most courageous opponents were Catholic priests & bishops, who told their congregations that Jesus, and no living man, was their leader.
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
I can assure you, and I am referring to "God Is Not Great". While it may be true that some catholic priests and bishops contested the pagan beliefs of the Nazi party, Hitler ultimately was a Catholic and was funded by the Catholic church. You can also hear this disputed in virtually every debate Hitchens and Dawkins have participated in. All these debates are on youtube
-boby
thegreatestbak 2 years ago 4
Belief and making your choices not by yourself but on the authoritys and people around you led to the holocaust, if you examine religion closely they are more or less the same thing.
Kevinmwragg 2 years ago
I would agree that an eagerness to submit to authority is useful in both religion and fascism - but that does not mean they have to be similar.
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
Have you even read Hitler's book? Do you have any idea? He was a Christian creationist- he neither understood or accepted real evolution but instead subscribed to the notions of "social Darwinism" - a movement that began as a misunderstanding of how evolution applied to the survival of humanity. He stated very frequently how that he was "defending" his nation from the Jew, and he used divine inspiration in the pursuit of his faith-based initiatives. He believed in Christ very deeply...
Cyraside 2 years ago 70
Cyraside, did you mean to reply to me? Because I'm not really sure how your points are connected to what I said above - which was a general statement about how religion and fascism can be similar but don't necessarily have to be. I wasn't addressing Hitler in particular.
Yes, I've read Mein Kampf and I did know Hitler was a creationist who was influenced by Social Darwinism. (I also know about the movement and how it also influenced American robber barons - for example, Dale Carnegie.)
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
@Cyraside this is, unfortunately, untrue. and you are gay.
boyleb1 10 months ago
@boyleb1 The hell it is. Did you know that the Catholic Church & several high priests had a "rat line" going on for many Nazis to escape from Germany before the war ended. Because killing Jews is, and always has been- an all too religious-minded dream. So has racism, inequality, etc. But what's most humorous is how that I'm suddenly "gay" simply for not agreeing with you and pointing out the obvious. What's more to say from someone who fears mortality & subscribes to an ego-centrist worldview.
Cyraside 10 months ago
@Cyraside Hitler was no follower of Jesus Christ. How could he be, when Jesus was a Jew, and who said that "salvation is of the Jews"? The idea that all people are made in the image of God EXCLUDES racism. But racism is not excluded in a philosophy which makes it easy to believe that some races are less evolved than others, and that teaches a brutal law of survival of the fittest. Hitler, the liar, may have paid lip service to Christianity, but his policies were consistent with Darwinian ideas.
The1066Al 7 months ago
@The1066Al Social Darwinism is a complete an utter separate thing from the theory of evolution. It is used in sociology to describe a criminal behavior of "If they wanted it, they should've hid it better." Akin to identifying as a wolf, the 'fittest' amongst the sheep. Furthermore, nobody but Hitler decides what Hitler believes. You don't get to retroactively declare him to not be fitting your own definition of your religion. And if you don't see how Hitler could believe in Jesus, a 'Jew'
PaleHorseWC2 7 months ago
@The1066Al than you have done little if no research on the entire period of Catholic history leading up to, during, and continuing after WW2.
PaleHorseWC2 7 months ago
don't be silly
kendrawhisp 2 years ago
"2 billion self-proclaimed Christian can't be wrong." NO? How so?
Patd265 2 years ago
It's called democracy. You do not have to be rational. All you have to do to be "right" is to have most others to like you and agree with you without troubling themselves why and if you disagree with that you are either a fascist, a communist, or morally bankrupt.
That is the new argument of theist you know... Objective undeniable evidence are considered "enemies of free thought".
DINDRAGON 2 years ago
how can so many flies can be wrong ?... they all like to taste shit .
globalarte 2 years ago 7
Very good response Cannibalgourmet.
We, as mankind, need to stop thinking about absolute knowledge. Some people seem to feel bad now knowing everything with absolute certainty, like how the universe began, why abiogenesis took place and don't want death to be the end.
Those are the same people that believe in religion and it makes me a little sad because casting all those questions away and believing you have complete knowledge on false grounds does no-one good.
Baldurpet 2 years ago
are you just trolling or are you realy that ignorant
mypreciouz 2 years ago 2
And thats why i support intelligent falling.
12outland12 2 years ago 3
OMG brain over here please STAT!
VitalApparatuz 2 years ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof lies on you to provide evidence if you are making such a claim of supernaturality.
mfmezz11 2 years ago 2
What's with the broken glasses? They sure had a lot of them.
I love how the gentleman speaks with his hands most bombastically.
metalorg 2 years ago
The spectacles were taken from Jewish prisoners arriving at Aushcwitz, along with many other items. They found entire rooms full of watches, shoes, briefcases, and other items.
The German officers would turn quite a profit stealing the expensive pieces of jewellry and the like and selling it.
Lpoolboy 2 years ago
This is real truth my fellow humans.
philateliceun 2 years ago 2
Power, in absolute, is a myth. True power is on the scale of Andromeda mixing with the Milky way. An event we have no jurisdiction over. Powerful. Even if we close our eyes and talk to our shoes, the collision will happen.
The idiocy of an alignment of the Super Massive black hole and the earth and moon, a thing that happens every year, will have no effect on human personality. That fact doesn't sell newspapers, online or delivered, but it is a fact of reality just the same.
humanman65 2 years ago
That guy fucking ruled. 5*,
iDeist 2 years ago 2
the ascent of man is a great series. i'd recommend it to anyone who enjoys intellectual thought and brilliance. 5*
cobweb1989 2 years ago
I don't know if I agree with this statement towards the end: "We have to cure ourselves of the itch for absolute knowledge..." What does he mean by absolute knowledge? I assume that wanting as much knowledge as possible generally pushes society forward. Or am I interpreting "absolute knowledge" incorrectly?
qwe07 2 years ago
well, absolute knowledge is a sign of dogma. There is no, to my knowledge, route to pursue that would lead to absolute knowledge (absolute certainty) expect by stipulation somewhere without evidence that you are right, i.e., being dogmatic.
TheLittleDonkey 2 years ago
I'm guessing the itch for that which we cannot attain (absolute knowledge, being omniscience - a thing beyond us). We do not search for absolute knowledge, either, in as much as we consider ourselves endowed with it through "arrogance, dogma, and ignorance".
Also saying that when we put our reasoning through a God (an infallible being), we wreak havoc in what is but our own very real fallibility and carelessness when approaching reality.
SilverStateMan 2 years ago
To know and be sure of everything. We do want to progress forward that's the whole point, it's all about being interesting in investigating rather than seeking to know everything (usually for power).
That's what I like about space, if we get out there we are theoretically overwhelmed with pathways for our investigation.
Nashy119 2 years ago 2
He said absolute knowledge of power.
phektus 2 years ago 2
I pondered it for a moment and I reason that he must mean the belief that you already know everything. Such as people who believe in God and say 'We know God made everything, lets not bother looking any further'
Lpoolboy 2 years ago
Eloquent.
Holic1980 2 years ago
2:15 - 2:45 is pure pure Brilliance! One of the best statements of reality I've ever heard on the Internet.
Centerman2k 2 years ago
Beautiful. Thank you.
purplefuzzythings 2 years ago
Awesome. Tragic....yet awesome. 5 stars
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
what he says at 2:30 exactly describe religious people.
Swecan76 2 years ago 2
Beautiful
thunderpants10 2 years ago
Christians: im in ur y00t00bz, exposin ur lies.
gatorboymike 2 years ago 6
Your usage reveals a scandalously undernourished psyche.
ConservativeAnthem 2 years ago
Your use of big words reveals a tremendous sense of insecurity and personal inadequacy.
gatorboymike 2 years ago 7
This has to be the most profound and beautiful moment in the history of television.
TheNewRenaissance 2 years ago
What are those in the pile at 1:00?
iviewthetube 2 years ago
glasses i think
sofaking1111 2 years ago
Yep and the lenses of such.
boony68 2 years ago
No, democracy is majority rule.
AshillaBeige 2 years ago
I have had up the first Part of Jacob's series "Lower than the Angels," for about a year now. It goes a long way towards educating a lot of ignorant people. I wish he was still alive. He died shortly after making the series.
zoxovox 2 years ago
I can recommend the series 'The ascent of man' . It's worth watching over and over again.
yellowlabrador 2 years ago
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Ironic...a lot of the 'common knowledge' about the holocaust is actually presented in the form of dogma.
Randomologist1 2 years ago
I think you are mixing up fact with dogma.
TC2642 2 years ago 4
not dogma. evidence.
mastercatx 2 years ago 2
Seeing footage from Auswitch have such a bigger impact after actually being there, one thing i did not like with my visit there though was that people had left a bunch of flowers inside the ovens in the crematorium, sounds really harsh i know but it kinda destroys the foto-moment when you want to take as historically accurate pictures as possible.
Yeah i know im rambling but it was kinda annoying and destroys the setting a little bit.
Spandam 2 years ago
Aww, I thought this was a clip from Monty Python. Oh well, I will sit here and watch this.
percymate 2 years ago
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dramatic..... atheists annoy me, hurts to be one.
foolsbetrippin 2 years ago
islamic fundamentalists spring to mind.
naybobdenod 2 years ago
mans ability to fail is increased when his belief of truth is certain, and were is man more certain of truth, in politics and religion, that is were mankind needs to be more aware and cautious.
tersse 2 years ago
4 million killed at Auschwitz? This video is old.
appleguy77 2 years ago
That doesn't change the truth of what he was trying to get across.
IhaveNoCreativity 2 years ago
1.1 Million... how does that change anything?
Jabe88 2 years ago
bizarre presentation, but all too true, cool vid!
FlowerPickingCow 2 years ago