For a moment I thought that this was in Britain luckily it is in america.
This is to be expected, as in Britain we do not have foolish fundamental christian organisations, and do not oppose abortion, homosexuality or any other life choice, as we are logical.
@Legionaryb, the video you commented on is in CANADA, not the U.S., which is properly referred to as the UNITED STATES, not "America." Painting pro-life people as aging Christian fundamentalists & indoctrinated youth never really was accurate & is clearly not worth taking seriously now. I'm Jewish & was also raised to consider 98%+ of abortions wrong. I know former pro-abort atheists/agnostics, scientists who're pro-life. Tradition dies hard in UK > Despite your claims, MANY Brits are pro-life.
I am so going next year again. I loved the march, there were many people and it was really windy which was fun. (if you saw me, I had the Canada top hat holding up the Diocese of St. Catharines crest)
Elective abortion unjustly takes the lives of innocent human beings. If the unborn are not human, then no justification for abortion is necessary; however, if the unborn ARE human, then no 'justification' is adequate! We don't kill innocent human beings for the reasons people give for having abortions.
This is anti-woman. What makes you think you can take my rights away? Who are these people that they think that they get to make such a life changing decision for all Canadian women. What a lack of morality. You would give a fetus the right to life at the cost of the lives of women.
It is none of anyone's business what I do with my body. I pity anyone who supports this narrow-minded and harmful 'cause'.
Hi my32. #1) Abortion itself is harmful to women. A major study showed that 64% of women felt coerced into having an abortion. Statistically valid studies establish a minimum 14-20% of women who abort end up suffering with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder with a possibility of up to 65%. A Swedish gov't study found that women who abort have a 6 times higher rate of suicide than those who don't. (#2) The fetus is a baby. What about her body? At 7 wks u see a fully formed baby with all her parts.
There isn't a study around that says smoking isn't bad for you, and yet we allow it. We allow people to smoke and infect others with second hand smoke, which effects a lot more lives than abortion. But we give them the choice. They choose to smoke because that is what freedom is. Taking away a woman's right to choose, no matter what it is, is wrong. It is unconstitutional.
You say women feel coerced into having an abortion. Taking away the right to choose...isn't that JUST like coercion?
Murrison, a few points u havent considered. #1 - 2nd hand smoke doesn't cause other people to feel their lives and past choices are so bad that they want to commit suicide, # 2 - if u smoke next to me, a non-smoker, you're not directly and positively killing me. When a mom has an abortion (or is forced to by her boyfriend) she is directly and positively killing her baby, #3 Why do you avoid naming "the choice"? Its to murder a child. There's no constitutional right to murder innocent children.
I'm curious - do you not agree that abortion is a crime, morally if not legally? Pls provide your logic explaining why that is so. If you don't agree abortion is a crime, would you also argue that suffocating a newborn should not be a crime if let's say, the mother decides 1 week after birth that she no longer wants him?
You're self centered and stupid. It is our buisness about what you do inregards to your body because sucking or stabbing a fetus (call it a blob of tissues or whatevere, uits LIVING) You are murdering a human being
I am a pro-life woman and I find the idea that torturing and murdering innocent and defenseless human beings has something to do with so called "women's rights" extremely offensive. Please try to find some stories about abortion survivors (Gianna Jessen, Heidi Huffman, Melissa Ohden, Ximena Renaerts...). What choice did these WOMEN have?
Everyone who supported slavery was free, everyone who supports murdering the unborn had right to life.
@my32flavours you want abortions to stop woman dieing but buy doing this you are killing young woman and or men(babies) your logic makes no seance,and i agree woman have a choice but the baby has a choice to live and this choice is being taken away abortion is murder because you are killing a human bean
@my32flavours you want abortions to stop woman dieing but buy doing this you are killing young woman and or men(babies) your logic makes no seance,and i agree woman have a choice but the baby has a choice to live and this choice is being taken away abortion is murder because you are killing a human bean
@my32flavours, This is anti-child. What makes you think you can take a child's life away? Who are these people who think that they get to make such a life-ending decision for Canadian children? What a lack of morality. You would give a woman the right to convenience at the cost of the lives of children.
It is everyone's business what I do to others, especially when a human life is being taken. I pity anyone who supports this narrow-minded and harmful pro-abortion 'cause'.
Were defending innocent human life. Science proves that life begins at conception. If its wrong to murder you against your will, its also wrong to kill a preborn baby. Shes a human being with inherent dignity and moral rights. You wouldnt claim that "individual morality" is a sufficient reason for someone bigger, older and more powerful than you, to kill you against your will. So why should individual morality be a reason for someone bigger, older & more powerful to kill an unborn child?
Hey Farazag... it's 2009, not the 1970's, you are about 40 years behind on your science man!. A sperm cell has 23 chromosomes which is not a new human. Every cell in the body has 46 Chromosomes except the sperm and the egg, which have 23 Chromosomes each. At conception the come together 23+23=46 = a new human... that's basic arithmatic man!
Thanks for you info, I'm a biochemist and can teach you better! jk
well it all goes back to what you define as "human", going with your theory the skin cells that we always lose also have 46 chromosomes and.... I guess it is totally personal, which goes back to my previous comment about the fact of individual morality/interpretation. Again people, I'm not pro-abortionist... stating facts and having logical discussions.
if you claim to be a biochemist and you deny that life begins at conception then you are either a liar or you are at odds with every credible biochemist on the planet. My skin has 46 Chormosomes and they are MY chomosome. The baby in the womb has 46 Chomosomes and they are HER chomosomes, not the mother, or father, They belong to her and her alone, she is an individual... please, either be honest or go back to your grade 7 biology book. Your comment about sperm is laughably nieve. Mr Biochemist.
First of all, you are not at any position to judge me or my degree. Secondly, what you are just saying has absolutely nothing to do with science, you are looping back to your own mentality and how you have chosen to accept the "start" of life... as I said before science can determine the end of life, but so far there is nor "scientific" deffinition of starting of life. As I always mention in all of my posts, I'm not pro abortionist and I still see people treating me otherwise.
Also it is really immature of you to come and make fun of other people's profession just because you disagree with them, grow up a bit... don't let your emotions blind your logic, try to cary on a conversation like grown ups and don't get distracted.
but OMFG!!! what do you people have zero IQ?!! who said individual morality is a sufficient reason to kill?!!! all I said in my messages to you was that individual morality is the CAUSE of people's decisions on abortion, which does NOT justify its validity.... AGAIN: I'm pointing out the happening truth/flaws.... Does anybody get me!!??
I understnd you! So you're saing that basically we all start off dead and then just exa ctly how long after conception do we come to life??? Are you retarted?? Oh, and im not an adult or a biochemist, im actually 11 years old and it seems like im smarter then you'll ever be! How can you be so incredibly ignorant??? How can we be dead before we're alive??? jeese....it makes me shudder to think where our world is going with stupid ppl like you in it...
I won't discriminate for age, Im 14 and here is the plain and simple biology that you learn in high school, a fetus is not a full human being. It should not have the rights that you and me have. A fetus can't breathe, can't feel pain, has no working organs at the first trimester. We humans have trillions of cells inside us, but a fetus has only 150.
A women should not be forced to bear a child if she does not want it
sh when does life begin? Just exactly when? Could your other have stabbed you in the head with a needle when you were a fetus? Coudl her mother have done that? killed fetus = no life and no human, how can you logically say its not living.
Life begins when the sperm cells perform the process of miosis where is cuts itself in two forming another cell. So life begins as a sperm cell, but would you call masturbating homocide? It murders millions of individual lives that can become humans?
"Could your other have stabbed "
Could you other have learned correct English?Im mexican and I know better English than you.
Its living, but everything on earth is living except land air water and sunlight, it shouldn't have rights
the fact that i cant type has nothing to do with this argument, so y bring it up? i might add your grammer error 'where is cuts' You are wrong, a sperm cell is only 23 chromosones andis not human life until conception when the egg (also 23 chromosones) come together and create 46, the minimum for human life. Your disgusting antilife view is killing millions of babies, My question o u again is whta if your mother decided to have an abortion? youd be dead, how? murder.
umm no, if my mom had an abortion i just wouldn't exist, you take things from a selfish point of view. If your parents decided not to have sex guess what you wouldn't exist either, the sperm cell that created you would most likley die and you would be dead, how murder? no!
we do not defy humanity by number of chromosomes, there is a disease where a child is born with 45 chromosomes are they not human?
I find it funny how you idiot anti choice movement like to point out that a fetus has 46 chromosomes. Who cares? Almost every cell in your body has 46 chromosomes, including blood cells, skin cells, Lens cells, and germ cells there nearly 100 trillion cells in the human body, if we defined humanity and persoonhood by the sake of having 46 chromosomes then almost every cell in your body would be human
every time you sneeze you would be murdering humans!
the choice of having sex or not does not DIRECTLY involve something living. The choice to stab a fetus is a moral choice which involves killing a living thing. At what point do you consider life to begin? When is killing considered killing to you?
no it just gets the millions of sperm cells to die off without a purpose,
"The choice to stab a fetus is a moral choice " yes abortion is a moral choice thank you for agreeing
"At what point do you consider life to begin" Well, the basic unit of life is a cell, so everything with cells is alive, so yes a fetus is alive, but life doesn't start at fertilization, it starts WAY before that, life starts at the moment of miosis where cells split
you don't think you've ever killed anything, have you ever coughed? thats directly killing a living thing? Have you ever bit your finger nails? have you ever eaten?
What I think is killing, is when you end a human life, a fetus is not human.
a fetus can't think, feel, breathe, see, during the first trimester. A fetus doesn't have working organs. dumb fuk?
who said that the minimum human requirement of chromosomes was 46? you did!
who cares if a fetus gets stabbed, its not human, and it doesn't feel pain. The reason they get stabbed is to preserve the stem cells, and then the stem cellls are used for stem cell research, which can cure cancer, diabetes, and embryonic stem cells can become organs, I know a man who had a heart condition. he died, with stem cell research the doctors could grow another heart from embryotic stem cells
so abortion ends the life of a few tissue, but saves the life of a human
thankyou! EVERYONE! Sam the mexican has just agrred that abortion is wrong! Thankyou sam, you said yourself 'a fetus is alive' therefore abortion is murder therefore its wrong. Alright I'm done, thakyou. If you think sperms are hmans and that having a wetdream is killing, than God save you because your clearly messed up
I never said abortion was wrong you idiot, I said a fetus was alive. But who cares? Everything is alive, everything on earth is or was alive except land air water and sunlight
that means you have most liley killed millions of life, that does not mean youare a murderer, murder is ending the life of a human.
a fetus is not human, it is just a clump of cells. Humans need to kill cells, if we didn't we'd die
If we made abortion illegal because it ended a life, everything that is alive would have to be protcted by law. That means you could not eat anything, you could not wear clothes, you could not rip out the weeds in your garden.
a fetus can't feel pain, it can not breathe, it can not see or hear, it has no working organs, it cant think, its not consiouse.
If you needed a kidney transplant, the kidney would die, but having a kidney transplant is not murder dumbass
you are running out of arguments and your credibility is falling apart. if you just cling to a fact that a fetus is human, then you are getting nowhere in life. it takes more than a an alive fetus that will make abortion illegal,
and it takes more than an 11 year old hot head who uses no real science at all to make abortion illegal as well
you have no argument though. A human is entirely a sperm and Egg, whether somewhat developed or not. It is a living human from conception. A sperm is alive, and egg is alive, when they ome togethr they create human life.
just because it has genetic hyuman DNA does not mean it is human, every cell in your body has a genetic set of human DNA, that does not mean every cell in your body is a human.
We aslo don't define humanity by the combination of sperm and egg. A definition has to have the converse and coverse true, So that means a clone would not be human, if our advancements are correct, a clone born would not be human, and thats nonsense
That's ridiculous, scientific and medical facts conclude that human life does indeed begin at conception, with a DNA different from that of the mother or the father
The fetus differs from other human beings simply in degree of intelligence and size. If you weighed 100 pounds and lost 25 pounds, would that mean you have lost your personhood?21 days after conception, the fetus has a heartbeat and after 43 days, the fetus has brainwaves
" The fetus differs from other human beings simply in degree of intelligence and size" Yeah you could say the same thing between humans and rats.
Its not just size and intelligence, its complexity and independence, a fetus can not surviv outside the mothers womb, it is like an organ, if its removed it will die,
a fetus has no working organs(including heart) by 1st trimester, a fetus can not breathe hear, think, see, or feel pain. 1 day after conception ha! more like 18 days dumbass!
But we're not talking of a rat here, nor any other animal. We're talking about humans, sacred life. Go hunt down a moose, see if I care. But a human is a human and just because it's less intelligent or smaller does not make it comparable to a rat. It is a human and cannot be killed. A baby one day old also cannot survive without the help of ts mother. Mentally challenged people too cannot survive without a nurse etc. If you're going to use an analogy, stick to humans.
wait a minute, you call yourself pro life but you wouldn't care about a moose? A moose is an endagered species, its nearly extinct. You honestly don't care about a creature with feelings, and emotions, and complexity, more than a clump of cells that has the potential to?
Theres a difference between physical and social dependence. A baby could be raised by wolfs(true cases) and survive, because social, a fetus tooken out of the womb would DIE! just like blood or an organ.
Organ? You must be kidding... An organ has DNA of woman it belongs to, but unborn baby has his/her own DNA from the moment of conception! Turn back to school...
wron.g The fetus is a life, we've established that. but call it clump of cells or w/e you like, its HUMAN in EVERY aspect because its made from human sperm and egg. You are simply a more developed combination of this spem and egg. Or wait...is the fetus first part suirrel and half ape....but then suddenly when the mother gives birth to it ....does it become human? you have a fked up way of thinking...
"Or wait...is the fetus first part suirrel and half ape" I never said that, I said it was a clump of cells. precisley 150, by the 7 month, it is in the millions of cells, thats when i beliebve it is human, when its organs are developed and working, when it can think, cry, and feel pain.
um...masterbating is a mortal sin. Its good to know that this young moralist who sees fit to decide on what is and isnt murder is also sadly sexually perverted coquette too.
you just contradicted yourself...You first said lets kill babies so we can avoid overpopulation...then you said, no killing is wrong to stop overpopulation....
@karolszafran11 Indeed, your argument is fully sound!
Murrison 9 months ago
For a moment I thought that this was in Britain luckily it is in america.
This is to be expected, as in Britain we do not have foolish fundamental christian organisations, and do not oppose abortion, homosexuality or any other life choice, as we are logical.
Legionaryb 1 year ago
@Legionaryb, the video you commented on is in CANADA, not the U.S., which is properly referred to as the UNITED STATES, not "America." Painting pro-life people as aging Christian fundamentalists & indoctrinated youth never really was accurate & is clearly not worth taking seriously now. I'm Jewish & was also raised to consider 98%+ of abortions wrong. I know former pro-abort atheists/agnostics, scientists who're pro-life. Tradition dies hard in UK > Despite your claims, MANY Brits are pro-life.
FlyUnicornsFly 9 months ago
How can i be Pro-Life
Howard Stern
HowardSternn 2 years ago
Every baby deserves the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
DeanClark68 2 years ago 3
But every foetus does not.
Legionaryb 1 year ago
I love this video! A person is a person no matter how small! I wish that the pro choice movement would see the truth in this issue!
rubyrubyrubyoh 2 years ago 3
I'd have had my beautiful Irish baby if I'd have kept it..
jocelinNUSAPUTRI 2 years ago 2
Irish?
But you live in the US?
Legionaryb 1 year ago
Great video and good arguments. Abortion is murder! Life begins at conception and must be protected from then on!
Wilyam23 2 years ago
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imTHATGIRLmcfly 2 years ago
I am so going next year again. I loved the march, there were many people and it was really windy which was fun. (if you saw me, I had the Canada top hat holding up the Diocese of St. Catharines crest)
joeb0 2 years ago
and playing a harmonica :)
joeb0 2 years ago
Elective abortion unjustly takes the lives of innocent human beings. If the unborn are not human, then no justification for abortion is necessary; however, if the unborn ARE human, then no 'justification' is adequate! We don't kill innocent human beings for the reasons people give for having abortions.
checkavailability999 2 years ago 2
I hope for abortion to end...they're innocent babies
creativsis 2 years ago
This is anti-woman. What makes you think you can take my rights away? Who are these people that they think that they get to make such a life changing decision for all Canadian women. What a lack of morality. You would give a fetus the right to life at the cost of the lives of women.
It is none of anyone's business what I do with my body. I pity anyone who supports this narrow-minded and harmful 'cause'.
my32flavours 2 years ago
Hi my32. #1) Abortion itself is harmful to women. A major study showed that 64% of women felt coerced into having an abortion. Statistically valid studies establish a minimum 14-20% of women who abort end up suffering with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder with a possibility of up to 65%. A Swedish gov't study found that women who abort have a 6 times higher rate of suicide than those who don't. (#2) The fetus is a baby. What about her body? At 7 wks u see a fully formed baby with all her parts.
CampaignLifeTV 2 years ago
There isn't a study around that says smoking isn't bad for you, and yet we allow it. We allow people to smoke and infect others with second hand smoke, which effects a lot more lives than abortion. But we give them the choice. They choose to smoke because that is what freedom is. Taking away a woman's right to choose, no matter what it is, is wrong. It is unconstitutional.
You say women feel coerced into having an abortion. Taking away the right to choose...isn't that JUST like coercion?
Murrison 2 years ago
Murrison, a few points u havent considered. #1 - 2nd hand smoke doesn't cause other people to feel their lives and past choices are so bad that they want to commit suicide, # 2 - if u smoke next to me, a non-smoker, you're not directly and positively killing me. When a mom has an abortion (or is forced to by her boyfriend) she is directly and positively killing her baby, #3 Why do you avoid naming "the choice"? Its to murder a child. There's no constitutional right to murder innocent children.
CampaignLifeTV 2 years ago
If abortion is a crime, what is a suitable punishment for the woman? Murder will you get you 20 years in a prison, I believe.
Murrison 2 years ago
I'm curious - do you not agree that abortion is a crime, morally if not legally? Pls provide your logic explaining why that is so. If you don't agree abortion is a crime, would you also argue that suffocating a newborn should not be a crime if let's say, the mother decides 1 week after birth that she no longer wants him?
CampaignLifeTV 2 years ago
bnext thing you know mothers will be killing their chldren 20 years after their birth claiming that they intended to have an abortion long ago...
amabilis77 2 years ago
You're self centered and stupid. It is our buisness about what you do inregards to your body because sucking or stabbing a fetus (call it a blob of tissues or whatevere, uits LIVING) You are murdering a human being
amabilis77 2 years ago
@my32flavours
I am a pro-life woman and I find the idea that torturing and murdering innocent and defenseless human beings has something to do with so called "women's rights" extremely offensive. Please try to find some stories about abortion survivors (Gianna Jessen, Heidi Huffman, Melissa Ohden, Ximena Renaerts...). What choice did these WOMEN have?
Everyone who supported slavery was free, everyone who supports murdering the unborn had right to life.
EuropeanProLifer 1 year ago
@my32flavours you want abortions to stop woman dieing but buy doing this you are killing young woman and or men(babies) your logic makes no seance,and i agree woman have a choice but the baby has a choice to live and this choice is being taken away abortion is murder because you are killing a human bean
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@my32flavours you want abortions to stop woman dieing but buy doing this you are killing young woman and or men(babies) your logic makes no seance,and i agree woman have a choice but the baby has a choice to live and this choice is being taken away abortion is murder because you are killing a human bean
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@my32flavours, This is anti-child. What makes you think you can take a child's life away? Who are these people who think that they get to make such a life-ending decision for Canadian children? What a lack of morality. You would give a woman the right to convenience at the cost of the lives of children.
It is everyone's business what I do to others, especially when a human life is being taken. I pity anyone who supports this narrow-minded and harmful pro-abortion 'cause'.
FlyUnicornsFly 9 months ago
Yes, let us pray for the end of abortion!
chrisman737 2 years ago
Pray for the end of abortion! :)
"Yahweh called me when I was in the womb,
before my birth he had pronounced my name."
Isaiah 49:1
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you."
Jeremiah 1:5
I hope to be at this years March for Life! It's a great event!
farazag, you should come. Peace.
JayTay33 2 years ago
I'll be there this year and I'll be on the LIFE side. Yay for life!! (L)
alexisonfireislife 2 years ago
Were defending innocent human life. Science proves that life begins at conception. If its wrong to murder you against your will, its also wrong to kill a preborn baby. Shes a human being with inherent dignity and moral rights. You wouldnt claim that "individual morality" is a sufficient reason for someone bigger, older and more powerful than you, to kill you against your will. So why should individual morality be a reason for someone bigger, older & more powerful to kill an unborn child?
CampaignLifeHQ 2 years ago
"Science proves that life begins at conception." WRONG!!!
science has not definition for begining of life... with your definition, a sperm cell also could be a form of line!
Again ppl, don't get me wrong as you usually do, I'm not pro-abortionist... I just point out the flaws :)
farazag10 2 years ago
Hey Farazag... it's 2009, not the 1970's, you are about 40 years behind on your science man!. A sperm cell has 23 chromosomes which is not a new human. Every cell in the body has 46 Chromosomes except the sperm and the egg, which have 23 Chromosomes each. At conception the come together 23+23=46 = a new human... that's basic arithmatic man!
DavidMacDonald200 2 years ago 4
Thanks for you info, I'm a biochemist and can teach you better! jk
well it all goes back to what you define as "human", going with your theory the skin cells that we always lose also have 46 chromosomes and.... I guess it is totally personal, which goes back to my previous comment about the fact of individual morality/interpretation. Again people, I'm not pro-abortionist... stating facts and having logical discussions.
farazag10 2 years ago
if you claim to be a biochemist and you deny that life begins at conception then you are either a liar or you are at odds with every credible biochemist on the planet. My skin has 46 Chormosomes and they are MY chomosome. The baby in the womb has 46 Chomosomes and they are HER chomosomes, not the mother, or father, They belong to her and her alone, she is an individual... please, either be honest or go back to your grade 7 biology book. Your comment about sperm is laughably nieve. Mr Biochemist.
DavidMacDonald200 2 years ago 3
First of all, you are not at any position to judge me or my degree. Secondly, what you are just saying has absolutely nothing to do with science, you are looping back to your own mentality and how you have chosen to accept the "start" of life... as I said before science can determine the end of life, but so far there is nor "scientific" deffinition of starting of life. As I always mention in all of my posts, I'm not pro abortionist and I still see people treating me otherwise.
farazag10 2 years ago
Also it is really immature of you to come and make fun of other people's profession just because you disagree with them, grow up a bit... don't let your emotions blind your logic, try to cary on a conversation like grown ups and don't get distracted.
farazag10 2 years ago
sorry for my misspellings...
but OMFG!!! what do you people have zero IQ?!! who said individual morality is a sufficient reason to kill?!!! all I said in my messages to you was that individual morality is the CAUSE of people's decisions on abortion, which does NOT justify its validity.... AGAIN: I'm pointing out the happening truth/flaws.... Does anybody get me!!??
farazag10 2 years ago
I understnd you! So you're saing that basically we all start off dead and then just exa ctly how long after conception do we come to life??? Are you retarted?? Oh, and im not an adult or a biochemist, im actually 11 years old and it seems like im smarter then you'll ever be! How can you be so incredibly ignorant??? How can we be dead before we're alive??? jeese....it makes me shudder to think where our world is going with stupid ppl like you in it...
amabilis77 2 years ago
I won't discriminate for age, Im 14 and here is the plain and simple biology that you learn in high school, a fetus is not a full human being. It should not have the rights that you and me have. A fetus can't breathe, can't feel pain, has no working organs at the first trimester. We humans have trillions of cells inside us, but a fetus has only 150.
A women should not be forced to bear a child if she does not want it
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
sh when does life begin? Just exactly when? Could your other have stabbed you in the head with a needle when you were a fetus? Coudl her mother have done that? killed fetus = no life and no human, how can you logically say its not living.
amabilis77 2 years ago
Life begins when the sperm cells perform the process of miosis where is cuts itself in two forming another cell. So life begins as a sperm cell, but would you call masturbating homocide? It murders millions of individual lives that can become humans?
"Could your other have stabbed "
Could you other have learned correct English?Im mexican and I know better English than you.
Its living, but everything on earth is living except land air water and sunlight, it shouldn't have rights
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
the fact that i cant type has nothing to do with this argument, so y bring it up? i might add your grammer error 'where is cuts' You are wrong, a sperm cell is only 23 chromosones andis not human life until conception when the egg (also 23 chromosones) come together and create 46, the minimum for human life. Your disgusting antilife view is killing millions of babies, My question o u again is whta if your mother decided to have an abortion? youd be dead, how? murder.
amabilis77 2 years ago
umm no, if my mom had an abortion i just wouldn't exist, you take things from a selfish point of view. If your parents decided not to have sex guess what you wouldn't exist either, the sperm cell that created you would most likley die and you would be dead, how murder? no!
we do not defy humanity by number of chromosomes, there is a disease where a child is born with 45 chromosomes are they not human?
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
I find it funny how you idiot anti choice movement like to point out that a fetus has 46 chromosomes. Who cares? Almost every cell in your body has 46 chromosomes, including blood cells, skin cells, Lens cells, and germ cells there nearly 100 trillion cells in the human body, if we defined humanity and persoonhood by the sake of having 46 chromosomes then almost every cell in your body would be human
every time you sneeze you would be murdering humans!
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
the choice of having sex or not does not DIRECTLY involve something living. The choice to stab a fetus is a moral choice which involves killing a living thing. At what point do you consider life to begin? When is killing considered killing to you?
amabilis77 2 years ago
"not DIRECTLY involve something living"
no it just gets the millions of sperm cells to die off without a purpose,
"The choice to stab a fetus is a moral choice " yes abortion is a moral choice thank you for agreeing
"At what point do you consider life to begin" Well, the basic unit of life is a cell, so everything with cells is alive, so yes a fetus is alive, but life doesn't start at fertilization, it starts WAY before that, life starts at the moment of miosis where cells split
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
you don't think you've ever killed anything, have you ever coughed? thats directly killing a living thing? Have you ever bit your finger nails? have you ever eaten?
What I think is killing, is when you end a human life, a fetus is not human.
a fetus can't think, feel, breathe, see, during the first trimester. A fetus doesn't have working organs. dumb fuk?
who said that the minimum human requirement of chromosomes was 46? you did!
tell me what makes a human?
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
who cares if a fetus gets stabbed, its not human, and it doesn't feel pain. The reason they get stabbed is to preserve the stem cells, and then the stem cellls are used for stem cell research, which can cure cancer, diabetes, and embryonic stem cells can become organs, I know a man who had a heart condition. he died, with stem cell research the doctors could grow another heart from embryotic stem cells
so abortion ends the life of a few tissue, but saves the life of a human
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
thankyou! EVERYONE! Sam the mexican has just agrred that abortion is wrong! Thankyou sam, you said yourself 'a fetus is alive' therefore abortion is murder therefore its wrong. Alright I'm done, thakyou. If you think sperms are hmans and that having a wetdream is killing, than God save you because your clearly messed up
amabilis77 2 years ago
I never said abortion was wrong you idiot, I said a fetus was alive. But who cares? Everything is alive, everything on earth is or was alive except land air water and sunlight
that means you have most liley killed millions of life, that does not mean youare a murderer, murder is ending the life of a human.
a fetus is not human, it is just a clump of cells. Humans need to kill cells, if we didn't we'd die
sneezing,
spitting
bleeding
eating
kills life, but its not murder
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
If we made abortion illegal because it ended a life, everything that is alive would have to be protcted by law. That means you could not eat anything, you could not wear clothes, you could not rip out the weeds in your garden.
a fetus can't feel pain, it can not breathe, it can not see or hear, it has no working organs, it cant think, its not consiouse.
If you needed a kidney transplant, the kidney would die, but having a kidney transplant is not murder dumbass
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
you still haven't answered my question
what makes a human?
you are running out of arguments and your credibility is falling apart. if you just cling to a fact that a fetus is human, then you are getting nowhere in life. it takes more than a an alive fetus that will make abortion illegal,
and it takes more than an 11 year old hot head who uses no real science at all to make abortion illegal as well
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
you have no argument though. A human is entirely a sperm and Egg, whether somewhat developed or not. It is a living human from conception. A sperm is alive, and egg is alive, when they ome togethr they create human life.
amabilis77 2 years ago
"all the DNA material etc of a human life"
just because it has genetic hyuman DNA does not mean it is human, every cell in your body has a genetic set of human DNA, that does not mean every cell in your body is a human.
We aslo don't define humanity by the combination of sperm and egg. A definition has to have the converse and coverse true, So that means a clone would not be human, if our advancements are correct, a clone born would not be human, and thats nonsense
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
a human is a human; all cells of a human are human, all dna of a human is a human. It is not something of itself nor is it a different species.
amabilis77 2 years ago
That's ridiculous, scientific and medical facts conclude that human life does indeed begin at conception, with a DNA different from that of the mother or the father
tonykoa 2 years ago
The fetus differs from other human beings simply in degree of intelligence and size. If you weighed 100 pounds and lost 25 pounds, would that mean you have lost your personhood?21 days after conception, the fetus has a heartbeat and after 43 days, the fetus has brainwaves
msmonica452 2 years ago
" The fetus differs from other human beings simply in degree of intelligence and size" Yeah you could say the same thing between humans and rats.
Its not just size and intelligence, its complexity and independence, a fetus can not surviv outside the mothers womb, it is like an organ, if its removed it will die,
a fetus has no working organs(including heart) by 1st trimester, a fetus can not breathe hear, think, see, or feel pain. 1 day after conception ha! more like 18 days dumbass!
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
But we're not talking of a rat here, nor any other animal. We're talking about humans, sacred life. Go hunt down a moose, see if I care. But a human is a human and just because it's less intelligent or smaller does not make it comparable to a rat. It is a human and cannot be killed. A baby one day old also cannot survive without the help of ts mother. Mentally challenged people too cannot survive without a nurse etc. If you're going to use an analogy, stick to humans.
msmonica452 2 years ago
wait a minute, you call yourself pro life but you wouldn't care about a moose? A moose is an endagered species, its nearly extinct. You honestly don't care about a creature with feelings, and emotions, and complexity, more than a clump of cells that has the potential to?
Theres a difference between physical and social dependence. A baby could be raised by wolfs(true cases) and survive, because social, a fetus tooken out of the womb would DIE! just like blood or an organ.
Fetus isnt human
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
Organ? You must be kidding... An organ has DNA of woman it belongs to, but unborn baby has his/her own DNA from the moment of conception! Turn back to school...
EuropeanProLifer 2 years ago
Actually, DNA fluctuates, tumours have seperate DNA, as do some cells in every organ. Not to mention the seperate DNA of mitochondria.
Legionaryb 1 year ago
wron.g The fetus is a life, we've established that. but call it clump of cells or w/e you like, its HUMAN in EVERY aspect because its made from human sperm and egg. You are simply a more developed combination of this spem and egg. Or wait...is the fetus first part suirrel and half ape....but then suddenly when the mother gives birth to it ....does it become human? you have a fked up way of thinking...
amabilis77 2 years ago
"Or wait...is the fetus first part suirrel and half ape" I never said that, I said it was a clump of cells. precisley 150, by the 7 month, it is in the millions of cells, thats when i beliebve it is human, when its organs are developed and working, when it can think, cry, and feel pain.
its human in every saspect? really
can you brethe?
can you feel pain?
do your organs work?
do you think and ask questions?
do you have emotions?
you most liley do, a fetus does not
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
Sperm and a Egg have the potential for human life. When they are united an embryo is formed with all the DNA material etc of a human life.
amabilis77 2 years ago
um...masterbating is a mortal sin. Its good to know that this young moralist who sees fit to decide on what is and isnt murder is also sadly sexually perverted coquette too.
Grgory58 2 years ago
masterbating may be wrong, but it is not genocide. Why? because a sperm cell is not human, only a potential human.
BTW God is not real, don't play the bullshit sin card on the argument of abortion.
SamTheMexicanMan 2 years ago
No one said it was but yourslelf, you dumb fuk
amabilis77 2 years ago
1:48 Well' let's think about making a city as large as Barrie every day! The earth's population would double in less than 20 years!
And please don't delete my comment this time; this is youtube and we have the right for FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!
farazag10 2 years ago
genocide is not the answer to overpopulation
gangeschunk 2 years ago
it sure is not, and neither is its promotion by using a bad example in the wrond place...
farazag10 2 years ago
you just contradicted yourself...You first said lets kill babies so we can avoid overpopulation...then you said, no killing is wrong to stop overpopulation....
amabilis77 2 years ago