@PurePower025 Then I assure you, there is no such thing as free will because the only thing that the natural person (which is a non-believer -- 1 Cor 2:14) does is sin. If you don't do something to the glory of God (1 Cor 10:31) or if you do anything that does not proceed from faith (Rom 14:23) then it is a sin. Therefore, "those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Romans 8:8). So, the only thing that non-believers do is sin. Even our "righteousness" is as filthy rags to him (Isaiah 54:6).
First, those are good Bible verses you used there, though they do not provide support to your claim that "there is no such thing as free will". Those verses only state Almighty God's point of view upon the free will acts of good or bad a person does. Romans Chapter 9 states God Has Free Choice and if He has it, then so does any person.
I claim that a person does have free will(choice) to do good or bad/ love or hate.
Yes it is pleasing to God when someone comes to faith in Christ.
Well, free will and free choice are not exactly the same thing. God has free will, people like you and me have free choice, I stand on this. Though people do have limited free will, so in essence, people do have free will, even if it is a little bit.
God has free choice, add that to Golden Rule(do unto others as you would have them do unto you) so I have free choice
Then, since coming to God is a pleasing act, how do you explain Rom 8:8?
Explain the difference between free will and free choice. I see them as virtually the same thing. Man once had free will, but at the fall, man's freedom of the will was tainted, and is now, as Luther described it, "the bondage of the will". We now view God as folly apart from an act of God's saving grace.
Romans 8:8 refers to a state of mind, thinking fleshly is being in a state of flesh.
Thinking Holy is being in a state of Spirit of God.
One may choose to fly like superman, but does not possess the will to fly like superman. A child may choose to stop getting bullied, but lack the will to actually stop being bullied.
Our Holy Father's Will be done on earth as it is in heaven, Amen. Basically, GOD IS WILL. I chose
And you are partly true, because it is referring to where your mind is before verse 8. But verse 5 states that if you are in the flesh, you have the mind set on flesh. And if you have the Spirit, you have the mind set on the Spirit. Therefore to "be in the flesh" in v. 8 isn't constrained to simply "thinking sin"
3rd paragraph is just.. false.
4th paragraph is nonsense; I do not understand it.
@PurePower025 Meanwhile, you can read Freedom of the Will by John Edwards, Bondage of the Will by Martin Luther, and Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin.
I wikipedia the Freedom of the Will by John Edwards,.... he has interesting theories and ideas....no doubt.
But if I had a choice on how to live my life mentally, (and I do have a choice) then I would mentally wish and do wish to believe I have limited freewill and freedom to choose.
I guess in the end, its a matter of attitude and behavior on how one wishes to live.
@PurePower025 I was right there with you.. I wanted to be right about Arminianism. So badly. I hated Calvinism. My first "research" on the subject was reading all the Arminian commentaries I could over Scriptures such as Romans 9, Ephesians 1, John 6, ect. But then I decided that how I live my life mentally (as you like to say) should not be based off of what I want, but what I see in Scripture. In the end, Calvinism won and now it's "a warm blanket for my soul" as Matt Chandler says.
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free will is the freedom to do wrong.
reyldeguz 2 years ago
@reyldeguz
free will is the freedom to do right and good.
PurePower025 1 year ago
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goodintentions002 1 year ago
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goodintentions002 1 year ago
@PurePower025 Then I assure you, there is no such thing as free will because the only thing that the natural person (which is a non-believer -- 1 Cor 2:14) does is sin. If you don't do something to the glory of God (1 Cor 10:31) or if you do anything that does not proceed from faith (Rom 14:23) then it is a sin. Therefore, "those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Romans 8:8). So, the only thing that non-believers do is sin. Even our "righteousness" is as filthy rags to him (Isaiah 54:6).
goodintentions002 1 year ago
@goodintentions002
First, those are good Bible verses you used there, though they do not provide support to your claim that "there is no such thing as free will". Those verses only state Almighty God's point of view upon the free will acts of good or bad a person does. Romans Chapter 9 states God Has Free Choice and if He has it, then so does any person.
I claim that a person does have free will(choice) to do good or bad/ love or hate.
PurePower025 1 year ago
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goodintentions002 1 year ago
@PurePower025 First, you claimed that we have the choice to "do good". And I said that unless you are a believer, you cannot do anything "good".
Second, if you agree with what I said then I ask this: when someone comes to faith in Christ, is this a pleasing act to God?
And how do you deduce that inference (that God has free will; therefore everyone does) from Romans 9?
goodintentions002 1 year ago
@goodintentions002
Yes we have the choice to do good.
Yes it is pleasing to God when someone comes to faith in Christ.
Well, free will and free choice are not exactly the same thing. God has free will, people like you and me have free choice, I stand on this. Though people do have limited free will, so in essence, people do have free will, even if it is a little bit.
God has free choice, add that to Golden Rule(do unto others as you would have them do unto you) so I have free choice
PurePower025 1 year ago
@PurePower025
Good in the sight of whom? Others or God?
Then, since coming to God is a pleasing act, how do you explain Rom 8:8?
Explain the difference between free will and free choice. I see them as virtually the same thing. Man once had free will, but at the fall, man's freedom of the will was tainted, and is now, as Luther described it, "the bondage of the will". We now view God as folly apart from an act of God's saving grace.
Logical fallacy. God is all-powerful; I'm not.
goodintentions002 1 year ago
@goodintentions002
Good in the sight of God and others and oneself.
Romans 8:8 refers to a state of mind, thinking fleshly is being in a state of flesh.
Thinking Holy is being in a state of Spirit of God.
One may choose to fly like superman, but does not possess the will to fly like superman. A child may choose to stop getting bullied, but lack the will to actually stop being bullied.
Our Holy Father's Will be done on earth as it is in heaven, Amen. Basically, GOD IS WILL. I chose
PurePower025 1 year ago
@PurePower025 How is it good in front of God with Romans 8:8; 14:23 and 1 Cor 2:14; 10:31?
And you are partly true, because it is referring to where your mind is before verse 8. But verse 5 states that if you are in the flesh, you have the mind set on flesh. And if you have the Spirit, you have the mind set on the Spirit. Therefore to "be in the flesh" in v. 8 isn't constrained to simply "thinking sin"
3rd paragraph is just.. false.
4th paragraph is nonsense; I do not understand it.
goodintentions002 1 year ago
@goodintentions002
then you need to read this book....
The Urantia Book....end of discussion.
PurePower025 1 year ago
@PurePower025 Meanwhile, you can read Freedom of the Will by John Edwards, Bondage of the Will by Martin Luther, and Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin.
goodintentions002 1 year ago
@goodintentions002
I wikipedia the Freedom of the Will by John Edwards,.... he has interesting theories and ideas....no doubt.
But if I had a choice on how to live my life mentally, (and I do have a choice) then I would mentally wish and do wish to believe I have limited freewill and freedom to choose.
I guess in the end, its a matter of attitude and behavior on how one wishes to live.
PurePower025 1 year ago
@PurePower025 I was right there with you.. I wanted to be right about Arminianism. So badly. I hated Calvinism. My first "research" on the subject was reading all the Arminian commentaries I could over Scriptures such as Romans 9, Ephesians 1, John 6, ect. But then I decided that how I live my life mentally (as you like to say) should not be based off of what I want, but what I see in Scripture. In the end, Calvinism won and now it's "a warm blanket for my soul" as Matt Chandler says.
goodintentions002 1 year ago
wow good sermon!
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