Jacque Fresco-Free Will-Nov.2, 2010

[Baprener]

AWESOME!!! fucking awesome video! thanks for posting! greets from Brazil

[briansand613]

There is a lot of debate by the different fields, of the meaning of free will, but the underlying opinion is that, free will is the ability to make choices. Just because things are influenced by other things, doesn't mean that free will doesn't exist. The more information we have, the more choices we can make. New inventions are influenced by the information that someone has obtained. Free will allows for the choice to make something new and independent of the normal or to stay as the normal.

[Nebster173]

Everything you call free will is a combination of your sensory inputs(which you have no control over), your previous sensory inputs(which over time, shaped who you are. That would include your personality, your beliefs, your values, your knowledge, your experience... etc) working together in a very complex thought process which might give many the illusion of free will.

We're just nature's machines. We have no free will. We were bound to do everything we're doing now.

[jhigh107]

Be cool if they can get Jacque to guest star on the Big Bang Theory

[SorenK1987]

I get that our choices are determined by our environment, but what determines the environment in-itself?

[m4raak]

Jaqcue Fresco is a genius.

[RebelManCam]

I agree with his ideas on free will and it made me realize a lot about life. I think that homosexuality isn't a choice however you are not born with it but rather you were effected by your environment to be so. That means it wouldn't be a full on choice. Another great lecture by Jacque Fresco!

[GCGiorn]

Yet, if we feel that we are reacting towards thirst and feeling dehydrated...we can most certainly choose tobe dehydrated..it's just..why would we. The very specific ability to choose is innate within all of us and it's a means of survival.

[GCGiorn]

There is one crucial point that Mr. Fresco is forgetting to acknowledge. Many of the scenarios discussed are science based. How have we come to even learn about science. How does he know about what he's talking about...He chose it, he chose to learn about it.Why did science come about? people chose to want to make sense of everything. I think that he's discussing free will in very general terms where yes we are affected by nature and natural phenomena,

[thevenusprojectmedia]

@GCGiorn not true, every step you take is forced by your background. It's never a choice. Fresco had a particular set of circumstances that drove him toward physical sciences, engineering, human behavior, etc.

[GCGiorn]

@thevenusprojectmedia

Please correct me where I'm wrong, Fresco was born and raised under certain circumstances. Where he was influenced through what he was taught from his parents, from his time at school, from his peers etc. He was then given options as to what he wanted to pursue and due to his curiosity or interest in lets say physical sciences,engineering, and human behaviour he CHOSE to follow that route. He could have most certainly chose a different path. We're influenced,not forced.

[thevenusprojectmedia]

@GCGiorn influence is a force.

[GCGiorn]

ok I understand what he's talking about now. Our decisions are largely based on cause and effect and conditioning

[Nebster173]

@GCGiorn Every thought, behavior or action is caused by environmental effects outside of your control. Thoughts can be based on other thoughts but they all can be ultimately linked backed to the environment. Ofcourse, everybody's wired differently, born with different attributes and raised in different environments and that's why you have so many variations. tbc...

[chadinterrupted]

@GCGiorn I can only speak for myself but I'm in a very similar situation Fresco was in maybe when he was my age so I think I can answer your questions about why he "chose" to seek knowledge. The reason I follow in this same path is through pleasure. I want to live in an environment that is easy to survive in because it is more pleasurable than living in a cave somewhere. I was exposed to things that helped me realize the power of the scientific method, therefor I follow it.

[chadinterrupted]

@GCGiorn Humans react to stimuli. If their sensors sense pain, they try something new until it feels good. Overtime humans learn new things and pass these experiences down to the new generations who continually have a head start as generations continue. Whatever Jacque was exposed to lead him to where he is today. The reason I support TVP even if it likely won't benefit me in my lifetime is because I KNOW that it can, but I also know it never will if I join the ignorance club and turn away.

[Josephjoel3]

@GCGiorn My friend, you are not free but there is no determinism. There is a range of responses that you can engage in and are predictable so you cannot step outside that range. Are you free from having to make a choice? Even being free from the choices made is a limiting factor. There is a limitation inherent in nature which we a part of, that does not allow for 'free will'. Free will is a political and religious myth in order to justify the atrocities of culture.

[AshRNand]

how old is he?  he is a genuis...

[hybrid212]

@AshRNand he's 95, he'll turn 96 in march.

[ThatIsWhatYouGet]

And maybe those different environments don't need to be real, maybe through questioning everything you can realize other environments are possible. So this is a weird subject.

[ThatIsWhatYouGet]

I don't fully agree with this. I think the environment affects you specially when you don't know about other environments. I said no all over my life to thousands of things about the environment I was raised in, things my parents told me, just many things. I think somehow, If you are awake, you can feel and think what you want and what you don't want about the environment you are living in. So I guess knowing about different environments is what really gives you the freedom to chose.

[enlighteneveryone]

Near 9:20 can remove racism.

[Daviniel]

He is right in many aspects. But I do believe ultimately we are the ones responsible for making our own reality. In other words setting the spark that activates all those triggers in life....

[Daviniel]

My atheistic journey began by realizing this: "Attraction is not a choice"

[temporos]

He's rambling...

[enlighteneveryone]

@temporos lol I can tell you lost track to what he's saying. It happens kind of, and he also a lot of times say it's best to learn by asking them to repeat. Not speaking to you offensively. Everyone have different periods of learning or span of attention on certain things not of their original or natural interest (Ithink Socrates says this also). I had the same experience with a some speeches, but we can re-watch them all. After a second watch and other vids, you'll find enlightenment my friend.

[enlighteneveryone]

@enlighteneveryone also, IE: in 9:20 when he mentions yellow spots: actually can enlightn ppl directly to racism. Not all (x) are what the person you previously had bad experiences from. It leads to defensive stereotyping, and can later transform into offenve stereotyping. IE:would be many minority communities, who were ever oppressed and react twenty years later (children of the oppressed and living in mostly poverty for few more generations). He speaks in volumes, which can sound like rambling

[Freshtymer]

It's crazy how young Jacque looks. He should do a talk on how to develop and maintain a health mind and body.

[GeorgeTVP]

Joel, could you recommend the web developer of the Venus Project website to have these videos in the front page? I think some people don't know about these videos on youtube.

[enlighteneveryone]

@GeorgeTVP Yeah. it's very important to have his more influential videos be at the front. It allows people to feel more attracted to the project. Most of the volume seems to be on Youtube. And we all know about Youtube... people will watch, and forget (it's like a natural thing + experiences of personal life). But with people directly going to the website, they get the same vibe but probably more because they're actually at the site they long heard about.

[xshoesx]

Thanks Jacque, you make it so easy to understand

[gayegotica]

Por favor, seria alguien tan amable de subtitularlo al castellano?:)

[JacqueFrescoSpanish]

@gayegotica Lo haré en unos 2 dias.

[BLooDCoMPleX]

A good lesson but too disorganized when compared to his others.

[kzabost]

Oh... I must to learn english more.

[CristianKirk]

Thank you Jacque for saving my life...

[acard232002]

@ digitalaffect - then don't watch the video if you are so smart but it takes another to show you the facts and truth because many times we don't see the truth for ourselves. So next time say "I agree with this video" but don't think because you agree with it you actually knew the information beforehand. Entiendes pendejo

[acard232002]

PS: @ digitalaffect: LEARN HOW TO WRITE BETTER, YOU SPELLING IS HORRIBLE

[digitalaffect]

@acard232002

I never intended to offend anyone, my english as people have commented on, is realy bad. Atleast i try. Acard.. learn to type with out caps lock on. FOR ME!! its as simple as an object that cant move if no one moves it... if that makes any sense. and i only wanted to say that i agree with Fresco... anyway have a good day

[EvilGniusStudios]

@acard232002 Yo si entendi. Seguro que este cretino no puso atencion.

[acard232002]

@EvilGniusStudios hay mucha jente que dice que sabe mucho pero el fin del dia no saben nada y no tratan de aprender de otros. gracias amigo. mandame un friend invite. cuidate!

[Daniazco]

We are quantic machines... 

[michael0001able]

two people were influenced by their environment to click the dislike button :-]

[laitela01]

@michael0001able Or, two people were influenced by dislike button.

[osheaad]

If a mind is global enough it'll see beyond its prison or culture; just take Fresco as an example. With enough experience of different cultures, the person becomes culturally independent; he may decide the optimal hypothesized culture. I speak of a person that is not bound to his culture such that the person can experience or grasp another; if his fundamental assumptions are none, save the core that allows him to witness variety and comprehend it, it's viable he be free from culture; separate.

[osheaad]

Fresco holds to the dogma of objectivism and that the subjective is relative and dependent on the objective. This is an assumption. I'd love to see him demonstrate its logical integrity.

Besides, who needs freewill with so much diversity as to effectively simulate the choices and a freewill; the choices themselves are simultaneously available, the free-will is not required, its choices are all made. Each person chooses in the likeness of his ego; even if the ego is determined, ego is no less.

[necridos]

@osheaad Then listen to his public lectures outside the VP. He encourages people to ask him questions, and if they don't understand his logic he encourages people to question him further. "Each person chooses in the likeness of his ego" Jacque agrees, and he also explains how this ego is developed, and how each choice is made off the logic developed by this ego.

[Chrisss178]

i am a fan of what this great man is trying to do but lots of time he goes out of the subject and give too many examples which make the video boring..

[MatsKaarbo]

@6XstringXsamurai

What is the name of the documentary you refer to, if you don't mind me asking?

[TheMidwestsk8ter]

@DaveTheRave234 i already did lol

[6XstringXsamurai]

My wife and I were watching a documentary on body modification, and this guy had little magnets implanted in his fingertips and forearms and other parts of his body. Over time he has developed a 6th sense of being able to feel magnetic fields and frequencies. His body has begun to tune in to this new sensory connection. Pretty interesting.

[necridos]

@6XstringXsamurai What documentary is this? This sounds cool

[6XstringXsamurai]

@necridos It's just called "Modify" It's on Netflix streaming. It's mostly about tattooing and body piercing but it shows some really brutal breast implant surgeries and other stuff. It definitely doesn't hold back. Another forewarning - there's a lot of dicks in it! haha, as in pierced, split, tattooed, and mutilated wieners. I'm not sure why but yeah...tons of dicks. lol

[EvilGniusStudios]

@6XstringXsamurai I have that on my instant queue... will watch it thanks

[digitalaffect]

it doesnt take a genuis to understand that environment makes us who are.. every single thing u experiance in ur life forms u as a person and there for ur desicion making change... Thats why some people can change and other dont, couse these who can offten experiance something that makes them take that desicion. freewill is a myth

[IamEyalMarcosLevit]

@digitalaffect

-makes us who we* are, NOT "makes us who are"

-experience*, NOT "experiance"

-decision* NOT "desicion"

-cause* or because*, NOT "couse"

-those* who, NOT "these who"

("these" refer to "things": objects, animals, etc, NOT to people...)

-often*, NOT offten

You CAN choose to learn grammar. You CAN choose between right & wrong. If you CHOOSE, you CAN bypass your natural instincts and reflexes, and with resourcefulness, you CAN get where you want to. Watch Tony Robbins.

[EvilGniusStudios]

@IamEyalMarcosLevit You may choose to learn grammar. But you can't choose between right and wrong unless you have a predisposition of what is right and wrong. Perhaps you can bypass natural inclinations, and your reflexes may be reconditioned but I don't suppose that instincts can be bypassed, unless you can describe to me what you mean by it.

[IamEyalMarcosLevit]

@EvilGniusStudios

Doing wrong is a very simple concept -Stepping on others freedom, making other people suffer, damage things that shouldn't be damaged like nature, etc.

Right is the opposite -Help build/Improve, give, love, comfort peoples suffering, fix, etc.

It is not hard to understand, you don't really need me to explain that. If anything, choosing between right and wrong comes before choosing anything else. If you can choose to learn grammar you can choose from right or wrong...

[EvilGniusStudios]

@IamEyalMarcosLevit Stepping on other people's freedom is not right nor wrong. it's STEPPING ON THEIR FREEDOM! making people suffer is not right nor wrong it's MAKING PEOPLE SUFFER! damaging nature is not right nor wrong! it's DAMAGING NATURE! the adjective that describes what you mean is DETRIMENTAL! and i suppose the antonym of that would be BENEFICIAL! Again you MAY choose to learn grammar but you can't choose between right and wrong unless you are confined to a limited set of values.

[IamEyalMarcosLevit]

@EvilGniusStudios Yea, what ever you say my friend... surely you understand that I meant what actions are right or wrong and I wasn't defining the term I was telling you what the CONCEPT is all about. I think some values should apply to everyone, even if some don't accept them (rules of the universe), somethings are wrong no matter how you look at them, no matter what excuse you give them. This conversation is over!

I hope you have a good life,

good bye!

[EvilGniusStudios]

@IamEyalMarcosLevit It's not whatever I say, people have said that of god. It's whatever is pertinent. You may think that certain values should apply to everyone, the only problem with that is that other people may think their values should apply to you. Your opinion is rejected on account that it's a facile argument. Universal law applies to everything we know of, it's not subject to anyone accepting it or not. Your notions of right and wrong do not fall under that category.

[IamEyalMarcosLevit]

@EvilGniusStudios

P.S

I don't agree on this one with Jacque, but I do agree with the rest of his ideas and I think he's brilliant! Especially when it come to understanding how to approach people.

[EvilGniusStudios]

@IamEyalMarcosLevit You may not agree with Jacque, and that is quite fine. You may think he is brilliant, it does not make him so. He has said he was able to do what he does because he climbed on the backs of giants. Of course not literally. I understand this conversation is over, and for that I am grateful. You may hope I have a good life, but I doubt you were sincere. I don't know what you mean by "good" life. I thank you for your time.

[louisLCK]

It is completely impossible for any two people to have 100% identical experiences therefore when people make decisions based on their life experiences the decisions they arrive at and the process of thoughts that lead them to the the choice/decision are different giving the illusion of free will, when in fact we are all victims of cause and effect...just because we don't understand or perceive the cause does not mean it is non-existent.

[acesas]

i see humans having free will because we create ... and i believe the saying know who you are pulls the mask off of behavior because if you know why you are reacting the way you do you can make a decision based not on emoting but right thinking . i think that is what the 7 liberal arts bring to decision making .

[EvilGniusStudios]

@acesas Humans don't create anything. They discover. Or they affect what is already there.

[acesas]

@EvilGniusStudios i like that ok i will go with that :)

[MrIzzyDizzy]

i dont deny the values and operant conditioning are controling factors in our behavior - i only point out that choices that are irelevant to any values or conditoning are registered in different parts of the brain before you acknowledge you have nade them - these are lad tested results - i got them second hand though -so i wil try and find the source experiments for you

[MrIzzyDizzy]

that different parts of the brain are activated which show what your choice will be when asked to press a cople of buttons randomly = push a button when you make adecision then tough then touch the button you have decided on - the ultimate decision was determined several seconds before you push the i have decided button - even when people upon finging this out try and fool it - i e change thier decsion at the last moment - the ultimate decision is still refected seconds before -

[GeorgeTVP]

@MrIzzyDizzy The ultimate decision was not made seconds before. Everything you know and experience adds up to that point of your decision making system. If you were bullied as child and you learned by films, comic books or books in general that you can protect yourself if you learned how to fight then later you decided to use guns to protect yourself. When you confront a person physically the decision to pull out a gun and shoot someone is much easier to do because of your background.

[MrIzzyDizzy]

@GeorgeTVP sorry i responded without directing it at you - its the response just below this 1

[MrIzzyDizzy]

@MrIzzyDizzy its a variant of libets experiment im discussing - as far as the example you site - it would reflect a value you have about human life

[GeorgeTVP]

@MrIzzy In other words, the decision to protect yourself by shooting someone, even if the conflict is a minor one, was made one someone bullied you or called you names. A person who was never bullied or was raised in an environment where conflicts were resolved by discussion will find it really difficult to pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. Our society finds violence entertaining and normal..and it is to them. But what kind of society do people wish to live in. People reflect culture

[MrIzzyDizzy]

@GeorgeTVP watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM - is a video on a similar experiment - its finding were six seconds prior to your decison it is reflected in your brain - ie different areas are lighting up which show what your decision will be

[EvilGniusStudios]

@MrIzzyDizzy What your decision might be.

[GeorgeTVP]

This was just what I needed. I had my professor tell me that there is a difference between a psychopath and nazi soldier who murders jews. He said a nazi murderer is due to their moral values and a psychopath "there's a medical definition". He said the same thing when I said Dick Cheney was a psychopath.

[MrIzzyDizzy]

i think enviromental conditioning and operant conditioning plays a large role in our values and behaviors this can be overcome with reasoning if you are educated enough we are no more than what we have learned and often less - however the lack of freewill is more fundamental - it ours inability to freely choose even among things that are not affected by values - like red ball or blue ball - our actions are electro chemical response - until those are self directed we cant choose -test are showing

[SlimeAmTheBest]

Spot on.

[1111BLAKE1111]

ey there venusproject media. any news about the major motion picture for the venus project? the news section on the website hasn't changed since 4 or 5 months ago. would be nice to hear about any progress being made and how our donations are being used. thanks -blake los angeles,ca

[lagenese1]

Free will is an illusion. All is known, all is written. It's just that the ego has the impression that he's in control of his life and destiny. The ego follows a path that was written before incarnation.

[Herbarius]

@heymodi if you had added "I am a" in front of that, you would have created a (linguistic) paradox.

[TheDethBringer666]

I've put a magnet against the side of my head before and I could feel the slight magnetic pull on the metals within my head. Just something random I remembered, not important.

[demonhuntevo]

@TheDethBringer666 googlethis: magnetic field bird

[fitzerg]

13:04 About Morality

[bluntpunk83]

humans have some sort of manual override mechanism. to use JFs example, you could choose to not avoid the yellow spotted person. you cannot chooss the set of variables presented to you but you can choose from the set. your gut reaction as to what choice to make is of course dictated by environmental factors, however humans have the free will to go against instinct.

[Ramiromasters]

@bluntpunk83 As humans we enjoy multiple systems but still that does not count as free will.

If you chose not to avoid yellow, then its obvious that your conditioning to suppress that feeling was bigger than the one from avoiding him.

Think about this, guy from a generation of doctors about to graduate, last day he quits and become a car salesman, just to prove he has free will, would that be proof of free will? or was he a slave of his emotions to prove his point?

[bluntpunk83]

@Ramiromasters id say thats a case foro free will

[demonhuntevo]

first?