Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."
ALL OF THESE STATEMENTS ARE MADE IN THE FRAME OF REFERENCE OF MAN. It is the same thing as saying the sun rises in the east. Technically viewed from outer space the earth rotates counterclockwise causing the Sun to rise relative to a fixed frame of reference on the earth. That is not the way we communicate in our every day speech. We say the sun rises and sets, even though we know that literally is not true. From our frame of reference the earth is firmly established beneath our feet.
Luke 17 discusses the second coming. 17:31 warns not to go back for your possessions and the next verse warns to "remember Lot's wife" who turned to a pillar of salt for doing so. The following versus say "that night", suggesting the night of that day, not a simultaneous occurrence on the other side of the world.
Yes, Luke 17 tells about the second coming of Christ. In verse 24 it describes the event as swift as a flash of lightning, not an all day/all night event. Then it goes on to describe both daytime and nighttime activities taking place during that same flash. They didn't have electric lights to grind grain and work in fields at night.
The Bible contradicts itself may times, how would this be any different? By your reasoning, shepards couldn't keep watch over their flock at night because there were no lights? No where in the passage does it say they are farming in the fields, just that they are IN the field. No one had candles, either, I suppose? You are interpreting the passage to make it fit your own view.
The Earth is not a circle. A pancake is a circle. The Earth is a sphere. Earth does not "hang upon nothing" like the Bible says. North is not empty space. Galileo was put on trial for suggesting heliocentracism.
Referring to the earth as a circle that hangs on nothing is a poetic and very accurate way to describe it. Looking from the earth north is out of our galaxy, the Milky Way. Any other direction goes into the galactic equatorial plane, but north takes us into interstellar space. Accurate scientific statement from an ancient book not intended to be about science.
What? A circle that hangs on nothing is NOT a sphere. That's the same line the Catholics used against Galileo, remember? Convenient that Christians change their Biblical interpretation based on new evidence.
Way to miss the point. The point is that Christians used the exact same passages to prove that the earth was the center of the universe. Interpretations of biblical passages change depending on what science has discovered.
As for your north thing, again, if you look North, Galactic North or Global North, take your pick, you will see, space is not empty. Talking about interstellar space is odd, all interstellar means is "between two stars". ANY direction will take you into interstellar space. Voyager is on the brink of interstellar space right now.
You are so book smart when it comes to books written by man. Why then do you reject the greatest book of all, a Holy Book created by the inspiration of the Living God?
Anyone can twist the language around to support whatever they want to believe, but the truth doesn't change, and unless you have grown too cold, the truth can be found in your own heart.
Hate to break it to you, but the Bible was also written by man. Biblical truth depends on who is interpreting it. Young Earth Creationists regularly use the Bible to try to prove that the Earth is only 6000 years old.
I believe in God, but that has nothing to do with this. What I object to is people twisting the words of the Bible to fit their views. Some parts of the Bible are also just flat out wrong because Hebrew is a very imperfect language and the mistranlations over the years have really added up.
I am your fellow brother in Christ who has come to realize that we've been lied to by the Churches and that the Bible cannot be the perfect word of God. How can a book be perfect when it's written in an imperfect language? The perfect word of God is supposed to be unchanging. But it changes depending on who is reading it.
The biggest lie of all that Christians believe today is that 5 billion people are going to hell. Here's the secret the churches don't want you to know, NO ONE is going to hell. Christ died on the cross for EVERYONE, not just for a select few. It doesn't matter if you believe or not, Jesus saved all men from hell. But the churches don't want you to know. They just want to keep you coming every week and to take your money.
No one will get what they deserve because if we were judged by what we "deserve" we'd all go to hell. Jesus died for us, he paid our fines and we will get to go to heaven even though we don't deserve it.
Any language of man can be called 'imperfect' because words convey different meanings or connotations and those meanings change over time. That's why it is necessary to study the original languages as they were used in the time the Bible was written. If God did not communicate with us by human language he would have to speak directly to each of our minds. Even then we would misunderstand and would never be able to convey God's message to others. Language is a necessary, but imperfect medium.
I also object to people twisting the words of the Bible to fit their views. However, I disagree that some parts of the Bible are wrong. Hebrew, like every other language, is imperfect. That is why Bible scholars and translators spend their lives studying the exact meanings of words. There have been mistranslations, but they have not 'added up' because translators go back to the original languages and the earliest manuscripts we have.
Ancient Hebrew is not just imperfect, it's a language that is incompatible with modern man. Ancient Hebrew has no future tense verbs, so it is impossible to translate into modern language without errors. That's why all "prophesies" in the OT are laughable at best. How can one make a prediction of the future with no future tense verbs?
This is just more evidence that the Bible as a whole is not the imperfect word of God.
As stated before, no language is perfect. Also no ancient language is compatible with modern man because we need many new words to describe new things. However, ancient Hebrew is a very strong, verb-centered language. The tense of the verb is defined by its context. A prophecy is only "laughable" if it fails to come true. The Old Testament of the Bible contains hundreds of accurately fulfilled prohecies.
Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."
bobcarp23 4 years ago
ALL OF THESE STATEMENTS ARE MADE IN THE FRAME OF REFERENCE OF MAN. It is the same thing as saying the sun rises in the east. Technically viewed from outer space the earth rotates counterclockwise causing the Sun to rise relative to a fixed frame of reference on the earth. That is not the way we communicate in our every day speech. We say the sun rises and sets, even though we know that literally is not true. From our frame of reference the earth is firmly established beneath our feet.
PowerVine 4 years ago
your answers rock!
ollonelycat 4 years ago
if it helps get you through life beliving, knock yourself out.
bobcarp23 4 years ago
Luke 17 discusses the second coming. 17:31 warns not to go back for your possessions and the next verse warns to "remember Lot's wife" who turned to a pillar of salt for doing so. The following versus say "that night", suggesting the night of that day, not a simultaneous occurrence on the other side of the world.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
Yes, Luke 17 tells about the second coming of Christ. In verse 24 it describes the event as swift as a flash of lightning, not an all day/all night event. Then it goes on to describe both daytime and nighttime activities taking place during that same flash. They didn't have electric lights to grind grain and work in fields at night.
PowerVine 4 years ago
The Bible contradicts itself may times, how would this be any different? By your reasoning, shepards couldn't keep watch over their flock at night because there were no lights? No where in the passage does it say they are farming in the fields, just that they are IN the field. No one had candles, either, I suppose? You are interpreting the passage to make it fit your own view.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
The Bible is hard to fully understand, but you are good at it.
ollonelycat 4 years ago
The Earth is not a circle. A pancake is a circle. The Earth is a sphere. Earth does not "hang upon nothing" like the Bible says. North is not empty space. Galileo was put on trial for suggesting heliocentracism.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
Referring to the earth as a circle that hangs on nothing is a poetic and very accurate way to describe it. Looking from the earth north is out of our galaxy, the Milky Way. Any other direction goes into the galactic equatorial plane, but north takes us into interstellar space. Accurate scientific statement from an ancient book not intended to be about science.
PowerVine 4 years ago
What? A circle that hangs on nothing is NOT a sphere. That's the same line the Catholics used against Galileo, remember? Convenient that Christians change their Biblical interpretation based on new evidence.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
You can't blame one group of people for the actions of a completely different group of people, especially in a different generation.
How fair is that?
ollonelycat 4 years ago
Way to miss the point. The point is that Christians used the exact same passages to prove that the earth was the center of the universe. Interpretations of biblical passages change depending on what science has discovered.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
Interpretations of biblical passages change depending on what you want to believe and how good you can argue your point.
When new evidence comes in, interpretations might open up.
Do science books ever change?
ollonelycat 4 years ago
As for your north thing, again, if you look North, Galactic North or Global North, take your pick, you will see, space is not empty. Talking about interstellar space is odd, all interstellar means is "between two stars". ANY direction will take you into interstellar space. Voyager is on the brink of interstellar space right now.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
You are so book smart when it comes to books written by man. Why then do you reject the greatest book of all, a Holy Book created by the inspiration of the Living God?
Anyone can twist the language around to support whatever they want to believe, but the truth doesn't change, and unless you have grown too cold, the truth can be found in your own heart.
ollonelycat 4 years ago
Hate to break it to you, but the Bible was also written by man. Biblical truth depends on who is interpreting it. Young Earth Creationists regularly use the Bible to try to prove that the Earth is only 6000 years old.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
You can't exactly break it to me, because you can't possibly have all the answers.
My conclusions are the floowing:
There is a creator.
He is greater than us.
He has a will.
He has made the heart of that will clear to us.
He has sent redemption and salvation through Jesus.
We can accept it or not.
What you or I believe does not change what is. And if my faith is right, I will live on. But even if you are right, you still lose.
ollonelycat 4 years ago
It sounds like you just don't want to believe in God.
ollonelycat 4 years ago
I believe in God, but that has nothing to do with this. What I object to is people twisting the words of the Bible to fit their views. Some parts of the Bible are also just flat out wrong because Hebrew is a very imperfect language and the mistranlations over the years have really added up.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
At least the good news that you believe in a God.
But what God do you believe in?
What is the nature of this God?
And what instructions has he left, if not the Bible?
ollonelycat 4 years ago
I am your fellow brother in Christ who has come to realize that we've been lied to by the Churches and that the Bible cannot be the perfect word of God. How can a book be perfect when it's written in an imperfect language? The perfect word of God is supposed to be unchanging. But it changes depending on who is reading it.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
The biggest lie of all that Christians believe today is that 5 billion people are going to hell. Here's the secret the churches don't want you to know, NO ONE is going to hell. Christ died on the cross for EVERYONE, not just for a select few. It doesn't matter if you believe or not, Jesus saved all men from hell. But the churches don't want you to know. They just want to keep you coming every week and to take your money.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
Sort of true.
Don't worry about the church right away.
Don't put your faith in a church.
I agree.
Put it in Jesus.
Accept his gift.
And live how he taught.
Be able to present yourself as close to blameless as possible when you die, for none of us know when that time is.
We will get what we deserve, as will the church leaders.
ollonelycat 4 years ago
No one will get what they deserve because if we were judged by what we "deserve" we'd all go to hell. Jesus died for us, he paid our fines and we will get to go to heaven even though we don't deserve it.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
The Bible is the truth, but unfortunately man has corrupted it with multiple interpretations within churches.
The perfect word of God is also engraved in your heart.
Try reading it there instead.
That is, if you really wish to find it.
ollonelycat 4 years ago
Any language of man can be called 'imperfect' because words convey different meanings or connotations and those meanings change over time. That's why it is necessary to study the original languages as they were used in the time the Bible was written. If God did not communicate with us by human language he would have to speak directly to each of our minds. Even then we would misunderstand and would never be able to convey God's message to others. Language is a necessary, but imperfect medium.
PowerVine 4 years ago
I also object to people twisting the words of the Bible to fit their views. However, I disagree that some parts of the Bible are wrong. Hebrew, like every other language, is imperfect. That is why Bible scholars and translators spend their lives studying the exact meanings of words. There have been mistranslations, but they have not 'added up' because translators go back to the original languages and the earliest manuscripts we have.
PowerVine 4 years ago
Ancient Hebrew is not just imperfect, it's a language that is incompatible with modern man. Ancient Hebrew has no future tense verbs, so it is impossible to translate into modern language without errors. That's why all "prophesies" in the OT are laughable at best. How can one make a prediction of the future with no future tense verbs?
This is just more evidence that the Bible as a whole is not the imperfect word of God.
UltraSWG 4 years ago
As stated before, no language is perfect. Also no ancient language is compatible with modern man because we need many new words to describe new things. However, ancient Hebrew is a very strong, verb-centered language. The tense of the verb is defined by its context. A prophecy is only "laughable" if it fails to come true. The Old Testament of the Bible contains hundreds of accurately fulfilled prohecies.
PowerVine 4 years ago
The New Testament is originaly in Greek, the Old Testament is originaly in Hebrew.
rselby06 3 years ago