I'm hoping a newer version of the original Star Trek comes to the tv screen...Capt Kirk Swashbuckler....Spoc Mysterious Bones and Scott for the laughs
I would have voted TNG #4 Code of Honor as worst only because it was a little racist to have an African planet with space-faring people in tribal ways.
I hated the episode where it was of Janeways ancestor who was trying to convince some guy to sell his book store. At the end of the show I couldn't believe it was even an episode.
They should have made the story where Tom hit warp 10 (which is just a higher speed, nothing special) but then he crossed through dimensions by flying into a certain part of space accidentally. Then when he came back he should have had powers similar to the Qs, which would have made the Qs panic and come after him. Battles on higher planes of existence ensue, as does classic Paris hilarity. It writes itself. Close the story with Tom sacrificing his powers so the Continuum won’t destroy humanity.
Counting every series they created 40 seasons worth of episodes there bound to be one worst and one best. And none that everyone will agree on for worst or best.
one of the best starts to an episode, followed by the worst follow-through known to star trek, for sure! although, any episode with a kid actor is probably not far behind...not to mention any episode with Roxanna Troi, not to mention The Barge of the Dead! LOLOL
This is just cheesy, it doesn't mean its "bad." Every sci fi has its corny moments. How about robinson crusoe on mars where they get oxygen from rocks? It was stuipid and cheesy, but fun!
I don't get how it sped up his evolution in this episode. Evolution doesn't exist without some kind of outside influence. This was based on the wrongful assumption that evolution is predetermined.
@Izayoiaki24 Voyager is full of plot-holes like this. The only reason is that it would mean the series would be over. Besides, if they really wanted to get home they would just get the fuck on with it instead of stopping like a million times
@Izayoiaki24 I was driven to like this. but i think the explanation was they couldn't set a destination to where they were wanting to go cause they were everywhere at once. but saying that how did tom get back to the ship when he wanted to, i think il have to re watch the episode!
@Izayoiaki24 Because 1. They couldn't control the warp. 2. They nearly tore the delta flyer apart, it would leave voyage a scattering of Duranium 12 light-years long and 3. Because then where would the plot for the next 5 seasons come from?
The genre should have taken a three or four year break before Voyager and come back with new show runners and fresh writers. After 3 seasons it was clear that the powers that be did not know what to do with Voyager so they resorted to warmed over plots and hackneyed plot devices like the episode above.
Look... politics aside the shear fact that Janeway didn't strike some deal with Q sexual or otherwise is BEYOND any explanation... that being said the idea of "Warp 10" could have been done alot better, but the title of this video should be reserved for every episode of Deep Space 9
Yeah, and Janeway and Paris were so cool about it. I guess the future is pretty sexually liberated. "Ha ha, wow, what a night. I got trashed on Romulan ale, broke the warp barrier, fucked the captain, had salamander babies. We both agreed it was pretty amusing, and we're still friends."
I will try to ignore the fact that they somehow managed to break the transwarp threshold, not only in a SHUTTLE, but a jury-rigged shuttle, made on the fly with limited resources and personnel, on a lone ship with a capable, but ad hoc, crew.
At the very least, they could have had it be the result of finding a piece of delta-quad tech that they tried to utilize.
I have to agree, this has to be at least in the bottom 5 of all Trek-franchise episodes, if not, as you state, THE worst, EVER!
Not only does the science seem unusually bad and pulled out of the writers' asses, what do they DO with it? The plot is even worse than the fictitious science. I can stand some scientific suspension of disbelief as long as there's a payoff in terms of plot. This was NOT it.
Any episode of Voyager where a shuttle crash-landed on a planet was equally bad. I don't know why that particular plot device led to such lousy stories but it did.
Uh no, any episode with more than 5 seconds of Wesley Crusher sucks more than any balok, ensign ro or Barclay any day! Voyager is the shit, way better than Enterprise or DS9.
Yeah, because we all know Voyager was renowned for its story telling and character development. DS9's writing put this thing to shame and beat it so far into the dust that the Voyager scripts must have felt like Gollum on a bad day in Middle Earth.
This episode was definitely the worse in the whole series. So they want us to think that breaking the warp barrier cause humans to evolve really early??? More like humans de-evolve into salamanders :|
You're entitled to your opinion, but that movie DID revive the franchise as commercially successful. Face it man, it NEEDED a slightly dumb, shiny movie to draw people in. Marketing 101-broadening audience.
@ToothpickMcBrainy Brain washed responses does not make it true. The series was fine. There were a lot of new fans already. Where do you think they got the money for Star Crap?
I wish enterprise was given a better chance then it got. It was actually a really good series. The ship actually looked like something a "military" would make. And isn't starfleet just a intergalactic military? The sleek look in the other ships just didn't look right. The plot lines in Enterprise were also pretty good and didn't rely on the previous ones (except one episode) for story.
So the side effects of breaking the warp 10 threshold is being turned into a salamander and its reversable. If the writers had a brain it would be the end of the series right there. If they wanted to, they could send everyone home and have the doctor(who is immune obviously) reverse the effects when they got there. Dumb, dumb episode.
@Neomac316 and yet they got 7 seasons out of the series. Admiral Janeway would get a cameo in a TNG movie. The series itself did have some good writing. Too bad they made the U.S.S. Voyager to come across as a very weak ship when compared to other alien vessels. I don't think warp core breaches were even heard off in the original Star Trek. I wonder if a Sovereign Class vessel would've stood a better chance in the Delta Quadrant or even a Galaxy Class starship.
@shaithis80 If you liked it then good. I liked some of what Voyager had to offer but most of it are the missed opportunities. The Maquis/Federation conflict didnt last as long as it could have. Seska was a great villain that died way to early in the series run. Species 8472 didnt have the impact that it should have. Instead they gave us the Borg and Q. No problem with Q or the Borg but it showed some laziness in the writers ablitity to establish Voyager's identity as its own show.
@Neomac316 I would have to say that I'm content with the series because it was something new and some new alien races came out of the series. However they just kept on crashing shuttlecraft including the Delta Flyer. I can't recall any other series that had that many flaws in their own technology. I would have to say the original series with Kirk was the best because it was new, fresh, and more than likely very plot driven. Also before 7 of 9 there was a very hot Teri Garr.
@Neomac316 only reason why I'm even speaking of Voyager is because I picked up the entire series for cheap anyway and making some observations of the series. If we want to talk about cheesy writing, then I would question the "Christine" episode known as "Alice". Sorry, Stephen King tributes in space just don't seem to cut it.
@shaithis80 Im not saying its bad to like Voyager because i liked alot of it. It was well acted, I liked Tuvok, Seven of Nine and the Doctor. But it could have worked better if they took advantage of the opportunitues they created. Instead of sending Kes off they should have gotten rid of Neelix. They could have made Species 8472 into the main series villain rather than introduce them as a Borg victim and let them dwindle away. I hope you enjoy it. But its far from great. Good maybe.
@Neomac316 and I agree with you that it is far from great. The more I watch through them,the more I realize the throw away episodes however it just seems like they were focused on character development & not as plot driven as the original series. I think TNG, DS9, & even Enterprise were all the same way so ur going to have a mix of good& bad episodes. However the only ones to ever get movie deals where the TNG and the original series so that does say a lot. Regardless I'm a trekkie at hear.
@daiklaive unfortunately it did but then I think that whole season was a bit dodgy I still enjoy it as I enjoy all the Star Terk's but in general I do think it was one of Star Terk's worst seasons
The worst trek episode ever was the episode of the next generation when Geordi and Ro Larren were phased so they could pass through stuff and nobody could see or hear them. Why didn't they pass through the floor and out into space?
Yeah because that one overlooked flaw really compares to the amount of bullshit that is in this episode of Voyager. According to the writers of Threshold, Humans will someday evolve into salamanders that have no capabilities of speech, conceptual thought or any kind of cognitive functions. Also, rather than just using the Warp 10 technology to get home, and having the EMH (who is immune) reverse the effects, they decide not to. The writers have no grasp of what they're writing on this.
@cdmgov Because the floors, much like the gravity control systems, are exceptionally well built on starfleet ships. Think about it; the ship is under attack, power failing, shields gone, lights flickering...gravity holding strong. Panels, walls, consoles, lights and conduits are always blowing up (with an oddly large amount of sparks)...but the floors; intact every time. They must be trans-phasic-inverse-tachyon-poly-peptide floors...with mint frosting.
@cdmgov THAT WAS MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY, even when I was 10. "if they pass through the walls, why not the floors?" Don't get me wrong, I'm a Trekkie till i die, but for real
This episode did have its weird moments but I thought it was cool that they reintroduced the idea of Trans-warp to the series and reminding us of the failed Starfleet attempts to break the Trans warp barrier! I have always wanted more detail on the great experiment and what they did with the Excelsior before it was refitted with a conventional warp drive and commanded by Sulu
What I never understood was, if the Doctor successfully turned Paris and Janeway back into humans, why couldn't they travel to the Alpha Quadrant at Warp 10, then just do the same procedure again at Starfleet Medical? Another few decades in the Delta Quadrant vs. a few weeks recouping from the operation... Just doesn't compute
1. Warp 10 is DANGEROUS. Infinite speeds? Occupy any point in the universe whenever you want? You could travel to Warp 10 in a nanosecond of time and choose where you want to go. Home... or enemy territory... or a black hole. No sensor in existence would keep up. Warp 10 is bullshit.
2. F***ING SALAMANDERS? What the hell were they smoking when they made this episode?
@TheSonicGod Starfleet must have run into all sorts of trouble when trying to break the Transwarp barrier otherwise they would have a fleet of transwarp vessels! the "great experiment" didn't get very far.
First of all WOW I cannot BELIEVE how many comments there are on this. There are SO MANY Trek nerds!
And to continue, Yes, this episode is, as Quagmire says, a total dumpster fire! (at least I am also a FG nerd). My feeling was, humanity struggled for eons (supposedly, I'm not an evolutionist) to crawl out of the primordial soup, and guess what? We're going to end up right back in there. Maybe we SHOULD nuke ourselves. At least we'll go out on top
@flowertrue If there's one thing that Star Trek (and other sc fi shows) have taught us, is that the apex of evolution usually involves being some kind of all seeing all knowing shapeless formless energy being.
I think the basic idea is misunderstood, the point was that Warp 10 has an unpredictable and horrific effect on genetics. It was not about evolution at all, rather a cautionary tale. Most people who I spoke to who saw this one thought the writers meant that Paris was evolving, which makes no sense (populations evolve, not individuals). The ep is poor in the sense that the writers didn't express the premise with clarity, but it is FAR from the worst ever Trek. There were worse eps on VOY alone.
Except the writer specifically said that he was evolving, and wanted to convey the message that "humanoid" was not necessarily the end product of evolution.
He also admitted the original idea was much larger, and by the time it was been chopped down to fit the script, it was terrible.
This is not the worst ever. The whole bit about transforming and having babies, as incredibly stupid as it was, only appeared at the very end of the episode. It was okay up until that point.
The whole and entire devolution episode from tNG is by far the stupidest and worst episode, with a premise so bad it just grinds the mind away from beginning to end.
@TheOtherSteel The idea that our genetic code contains relics from earlier evolutionary stages is a bad premise? You do realise that modern day chimpanzees are something like 98% or something identical to humans?
according to Michael Okuda, TOS used warp factors to 13, 15, and I think even 17. However they made warp 10 (1000 times the speed of light) the upper limit in TNG so they're excuse was that the timeline before TNG uses a different system of warp factors
In the last episode of TNG, when picard is on captain crusher/picard's ship in the future they go way over warp 10, like warp 14 i think. nothing happened then, so its been established waaaaaay before voyager.
I'd call this the Worst in Voyager History but not in all of Star Trek. The original series, for all of its greatness, produced so many really bad episodes with space hippies, slow motion Gorn fights, Nazis, Romans, Prohibition gangsters, Communists, et al
This episode was officially removed from canon for being just that bad. It included a scene where Paris was suddenly allergic to water, the #1 substance REQUIRED for pretty much everything, even in the Star Trek universe. Then later, Paris was swimming in water in salamander form. This episode never happened.
I wish they would bring back Star Trek because the SYFY network sucks anymore they cancelled stargate universe and caprica ! They aren't no star trek but at least we had something in the future ! I want a Star Trek that is cool again based on Gene's vision no religion or discrimination ! Plus , they need to find away to bring back DATA !!!!
@ericnj503 They do need to bring ST back but they need to leave all the crappy drama out of it and make it like TNG was. Voyager attempted this, but it was too foreign for anyone to really get into, hence the reason there's not been a movie with them imo. Same goes with DS:9. To much drama, not enough of what everyone loves about ST.
@L0zz0 I thought that there was no Voyager based movie because the USS Voyagers story was effectively over when they got back to the Alpha quadrant and the rest of the time they could not be involved bacause they were all the way other in the delta quadrant
@ericnj503 I hate to break it to you, but Roddenberry's original series definitely had religion in it: hell, the original Enterprise has a chapel on board...
@ericnj503 Data was obliterated at the end of Nemesis, the only way I could imagine bring back Data would be via the other identical android B4! he was supposed to have acquired all the memories of Data but Data was more than the sum of his memories so I can't imagine that working! then there is the issue of age! Brent Spiner was already getting a bit too old to be playing an ageless android! and the last TNG movie was years ago so I can't imagine he'd get away with it now
@obliviousmnd Yeah, I've seen Tron Legacy! I guess the same process could be used to make Data look more like he did in the 90's but Tron did have a certain aesthetic I figured that this process would be a lot harder look too convincing in a full live action movie!
@autonami Yeah! CGI is the process! what I meant was that in the almost fully CGI world of Tron it didn't matter if the effect looked slighly unnatural but in a live action setting it would stand out more!
voyager has some crap episodes, just as TNG or any other star trek series.. your point?
stoneeh 1 day ago 2
I'm hoping a newer version of the original Star Trek comes to the tv screen...Capt Kirk Swashbuckler....Spoc Mysterious Bones and Scott for the laughs
frankierants 2 days ago
gotta say wasn't a good one
however (troll bait right here) the ranking of best to worst (1-4) star trek series is:
#1 Voyager
#2 DS9
#3 TNG
#4 Enterprise
The original series is in a league of its own for the LOLZ alone :P
Goraid 2 days ago
I would have voted TNG #4 Code of Honor as worst only because it was a little racist to have an African planet with space-faring people in tribal ways.
ESP1138 3 days ago
I hated the episode where it was of Janeways ancestor who was trying to convince some guy to sell his book store. At the end of the show I couldn't believe it was even an episode.
FORZION 3 days ago
They should have made the story where Tom hit warp 10 (which is just a higher speed, nothing special) but then he crossed through dimensions by flying into a certain part of space accidentally. Then when he came back he should have had powers similar to the Qs, which would have made the Qs panic and come after him. Battles on higher planes of existence ensue, as does classic Paris hilarity. It writes itself. Close the story with Tom sacrificing his powers so the Continuum won’t destroy humanity.
BelieveIt1051 4 days ago
@BelieveIt1051 that would be awsome
averyozzy 15 hours ago
Shades of Grey was worse, but that can barely be considered an episode.
creejay 1 week ago
Counting every series they created 40 seasons worth of episodes there bound to be one worst and one best. And none that everyone will agree on for worst or best.
tyro244 1 week ago
one of the best starts to an episode, followed by the worst follow-through known to star trek, for sure! although, any episode with a kid actor is probably not far behind...not to mention any episode with Roxanna Troi, not to mention The Barge of the Dead! LOLOL
FullTiltChallenge 1 week ago
Episode actually got struck from cannon by the writers.... Its that bad...
yaahyak 2 weeks ago
Worst episode of the worst series in Trekdom is really saying something.
youtubblows 2 weeks ago
How can their be a worst episode of the stupidest tv show ever created?
PriestChristopher 2 weeks ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
star trek is gay
DarthHuze 2 weeks ago
if they got the cure for turning into a lizard? why cant they replicate the experiment?
enkopingsbo 3 weeks ago
@enkopingsbo
BECAUSE MAGIC SCIENCE !
SteampunkPagan 3 weeks ago
captain james t turd. played by shitner . the fat useless turd
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
@mrlogicalman1 Don't you mean James T. Urd?
horaciosi 3 weeks ago
As bad as this epp was, It's still a hell of a lot better than the new movies...
lordzahgurim 4 weeks ago
We all know it's a terrible episode. But that voice just makes me wanna watch it.
SpeaksTooSoon 1 month ago
@SpeaksTooSoon Report to the infirmary immidately. You are relieved from duty.
Could not resist. Sorry.
strontiumXnitrate 3 weeks ago
that dinosaur from earth episode was pure bullshit aswell almost as bullshit as christianity
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
janeway and the entire cast sucked. bad tv show.
need. more. picard.
AliTubelog 1 month ago
This is just cheesy, it doesn't mean its "bad." Every sci fi has its corny moments. How about robinson crusoe on mars where they get oxygen from rocks? It was stuipid and cheesy, but fun!
Revoltingmachine 1 month ago
I don't get how it sped up his evolution in this episode. Evolution doesn't exist without some kind of outside influence. This was based on the wrongful assumption that evolution is predetermined.
eurohim 1 month ago
man, I saw that episode, and even if it had been executed better, it's just like ...
fuck that shit
Tubyubber 1 month ago
Seriously, fuck this episode.
Parkerkun 1 month ago
i liked that 1 -.-
mrmax2580 1 month ago
Wait, if they could cure it instantly, then why didn't they just go home, then turn everyone back?
Izayoiaki24 1 month ago 34
@Izayoiaki24 Voyager is full of plot-holes like this. The only reason is that it would mean the series would be over. Besides, if they really wanted to get home they would just get the fuck on with it instead of stopping like a million times
PhazonSouffle 1 month ago
@Izayoiaki24 I was driven to like this. but i think the explanation was they couldn't set a destination to where they were wanting to go cause they were everywhere at once. but saying that how did tom get back to the ship when he wanted to, i think il have to re watch the episode!
samosapowis 1 month ago
@Izayoiaki24 Because the episode was retconned. It never happened. Just like Enterprise it never happened.
Clonetrooperkev 3 weeks ago
@Izayoiaki24 where is ur sense of advneture
gazzab2012 3 weeks ago
@Izayoiaki24 You say that like they actually wanted to us logic when writing the show.
Wildcat425B 2 weeks ago
@Izayoiaki24 Because 1. They couldn't control the warp. 2. They nearly tore the delta flyer apart, it would leave voyage a scattering of Duranium 12 light-years long and 3. Because then where would the plot for the next 5 seasons come from?
zspacekcc 1 week ago 2
every star trek episode ever is the worst episode.
ModernNorseman 1 month ago
@ModernNorseman
Wanna die? Ahah
Iakkons92 1 month ago
Is it just me or does the doctor sound a bit like Data/Brent Spiner?
Parkerkun 1 month ago
Aw! I loved that episode! I wanted them to keep the salamander babies on Voyager... :)
VoyagerFan101 1 month ago
EPIC!!
Redrobin1301 1 month ago
you don't need to have "white guilt" DS9 wasnt very good, just acccept it as is
EmpLaun 1 month ago
@EmpLaun Yes it was.
AFrickingOrange 1 month ago
The genre should have taken a three or four year break before Voyager and come back with new show runners and fresh writers. After 3 seasons it was clear that the powers that be did not know what to do with Voyager so they resorted to warmed over plots and hackneyed plot devices like the episode above.
scifi75 1 month ago
Look... politics aside the shear fact that Janeway didn't strike some deal with Q sexual or otherwise is BEYOND any explanation... that being said the idea of "Warp 10" could have been done alot better, but the title of this video should be reserved for every episode of Deep Space 9
EmpLaun 1 month ago
@EmpLaun awww I enjoyed DS9 I thought voyager was aweful shows how various people dislike and like various things.
Arachnaphillic 1 month ago
Now now, there were plenty of other Voyager episodes and almost the entirety of Enterprise to rival that episode.
Myndir 1 month ago
Worse than Spock's Brain getting stolen? Wow... This one's really not for me then.
Grafknar 1 month ago
people in showbiz get lazy too...
cwross1976 1 month ago
it was bad but i wouldnt say worst lol but dont they care about there lizard babies?lol they can bring em back to earth and say thats my boy lol
erutis53 2 months ago
Yeah, and Janeway and Paris were so cool about it. I guess the future is pretty sexually liberated. "Ha ha, wow, what a night. I got trashed on Romulan ale, broke the warp barrier, fucked the captain, had salamander babies. We both agreed it was pretty amusing, and we're still friends."
willconley777 2 months ago 66
Paris and Janeway have little lizard babies... IT WAS DA BEST EPISODE EVAR!!!
MsCreepyChan 2 months ago
(Add'l note...)
I will try to ignore the fact that they somehow managed to break the transwarp threshold, not only in a SHUTTLE, but a jury-rigged shuttle, made on the fly with limited resources and personnel, on a lone ship with a capable, but ad hoc, crew.
At the very least, they could have had it be the result of finding a piece of delta-quad tech that they tried to utilize.
LastBastionOfTruth 2 months ago
I have to agree, this has to be at least in the bottom 5 of all Trek-franchise episodes, if not, as you state, THE worst, EVER!
Not only does the science seem unusually bad and pulled out of the writers' asses, what do they DO with it? The plot is even worse than the fictitious science. I can stand some scientific suspension of disbelief as long as there's a payoff in terms of plot. This was NOT it.
And after such a "breakthrough" moment.
LastBastionOfTruth 2 months ago
Why is this the worst?
CuttlefishPi 2 months ago
actually this was one of the better Voyager eps - what happens when one breaks the warp10 barrier and such...
Voyager was 90%BS but this one was actually quite good
SeriousLus 2 months ago
For those saying this is the worst VOY episode ever I have one word:
TUVIX!!!
grasshopper199 2 months ago
@grasshopper199 I totally agree....Tuvix was horrible!
Ranma1981 2 months ago
Haha, I love Voyager, but this episode was really really bad.
attagrrrl 2 months ago
Star Trek isn't real???
alex4germany 2 months ago
Well, with hundreds of hours of Star Trek to choose from, it's so hard to pick what the WORST ep. is. So many....
BPavsner 2 months ago
Any episode of Voyager where a shuttle crash-landed on a planet was equally bad. I don't know why that particular plot device led to such lousy stories but it did.
hafabee 2 months ago
Uh no, any episode with more than 5 seconds of Wesley Crusher sucks more than any balok, ensign ro or Barclay any day! Voyager is the shit, way better than Enterprise or DS9.
aquaristic 2 months ago
@aquaristic
Yeah, because we all know Voyager was renowned for its story telling and character development. DS9's writing put this thing to shame and beat it so far into the dust that the Voyager scripts must have felt like Gollum on a bad day in Middle Earth.
TheDarkFrontier 2 months ago
Obviously this episode never existed in the first place. Don't put up anymore fake videos plz.
softan 2 months ago
@softan No, it's a real episode. I've watched it...it's not the best but it's there....
ASU086 2 months ago
This was worse than Spock's Brain. That's saying something.
NyxFTW 2 months ago
@NyxFTW That's different.
Spock's Brain was so bad its hilarious(I.e. entertainment!). This is so bad its terrible.
Archedgar 2 months ago
This episode made me stop watching Star Trek for the longest time....
scottandrewhutchins 2 months ago
This episode was definitely the worse in the whole series. So they want us to think that breaking the warp barrier cause humans to evolve really early??? More like humans de-evolve into salamanders :|
khaotic0n3 2 months ago
I've always wondered something: Who is the narrator?
horaciosi 2 months ago
@horaciosi Don LaFontaine is the voice behind this, and many other, film and television trailers.
CycleNH 2 months ago
ya...but it still had the EMH in the ep. thus making it still worthy of a watch
lol
thestoriesofbob 2 months ago
Yea that was the most awful out of any in any series
jmsnooks 2 months ago
This isn't the worst episode of Star Trek........how about every episode of Enterprise?
MrEriklenn 2 months ago
He looked like a Weevil from Torchwood.
shmoker2010 2 months ago
This is why Voyager almost got cancelled.
Tiwaking 2 months ago
This episode is now the second worst Star Trek ever. The worst Trek is the new movie.
Trekfreek 2 months ago
@Trekfreek
You're entitled to your opinion, but that movie DID revive the franchise as commercially successful. Face it man, it NEEDED a slightly dumb, shiny movie to draw people in. Marketing 101-broadening audience.
ToothpickMcBrainy 2 months ago
@ToothpickMcBrainy Brain washed responses does not make it true. The series was fine. There were a lot of new fans already. Where do you think they got the money for Star Crap?
Trekfreek 2 months ago
One man.. One warp speed.. One ship can save us all! haha they used 'THE voice'!!
jeydo 2 months ago
hahaha this really was the worst star trek episode, and i'm including the Enterprise series
sympathy3k21 2 months ago
There are many worst episodes in Star Trek. But some good episodes too.
Thank God.
einherje71 2 months ago
I wish enterprise was given a better chance then it got. It was actually a really good series. The ship actually looked like something a "military" would make. And isn't starfleet just a intergalactic military? The sleek look in the other ships just didn't look right. The plot lines in Enterprise were also pretty good and didn't rely on the previous ones (except one episode) for story.
jharrod123 2 months ago
nah this episode wasn't that bad, it wasn't great i guess. But it was fine
Vermilion409 2 months ago
I think that there were quite a few bad episodes of every Star Trek series. Enterprise had one called Shuttle Pod One that was absolutely horrible.
lilleo1968 2 months ago
yea, dat ep was shite
roblesterfilms 2 months ago
Okay, it's not THAT bad...
emmarr112 2 months ago
The problem is not that warp 10 is an infinite velocity (which obviously it isn't), but the problem is that Federation engines cannot pass warp 10.
EduardoTVideos 2 months ago
Um warp 10 not possible , in "all good things" didnt the enterprise go to warp 13?
kevinbaker62 2 months ago
@kevinbaker62 yes!
jdcorwin 2 months ago
I laughed soo hard while reading the description...
Alienubi 2 months ago
@cdmgov Gravitons omitted from the ship's artificial gravity floor plating. Spluh!
zilchowned 2 months ago
So the side effects of breaking the warp 10 threshold is being turned into a salamander and its reversable. If the writers had a brain it would be the end of the series right there. If they wanted to, they could send everyone home and have the doctor(who is immune obviously) reverse the effects when they got there. Dumb, dumb episode.
Neomac316 2 months ago 45
@Neomac316 and yet they got 7 seasons out of the series. Admiral Janeway would get a cameo in a TNG movie. The series itself did have some good writing. Too bad they made the U.S.S. Voyager to come across as a very weak ship when compared to other alien vessels. I don't think warp core breaches were even heard off in the original Star Trek. I wonder if a Sovereign Class vessel would've stood a better chance in the Delta Quadrant or even a Galaxy Class starship.
shaithis80 2 months ago
@shaithis80 If you liked it then good. I liked some of what Voyager had to offer but most of it are the missed opportunities. The Maquis/Federation conflict didnt last as long as it could have. Seska was a great villain that died way to early in the series run. Species 8472 didnt have the impact that it should have. Instead they gave us the Borg and Q. No problem with Q or the Borg but it showed some laziness in the writers ablitity to establish Voyager's identity as its own show.
Neomac316 2 months ago
@Neomac316 I would have to say that I'm content with the series because it was something new and some new alien races came out of the series. However they just kept on crashing shuttlecraft including the Delta Flyer. I can't recall any other series that had that many flaws in their own technology. I would have to say the original series with Kirk was the best because it was new, fresh, and more than likely very plot driven. Also before 7 of 9 there was a very hot Teri Garr.
shaithis80 2 months ago
@Neomac316 only reason why I'm even speaking of Voyager is because I picked up the entire series for cheap anyway and making some observations of the series. If we want to talk about cheesy writing, then I would question the "Christine" episode known as "Alice". Sorry, Stephen King tributes in space just don't seem to cut it.
shaithis80 2 months ago
@shaithis80 Im not saying its bad to like Voyager because i liked alot of it. It was well acted, I liked Tuvok, Seven of Nine and the Doctor. But it could have worked better if they took advantage of the opportunitues they created. Instead of sending Kes off they should have gotten rid of Neelix. They could have made Species 8472 into the main series villain rather than introduce them as a Borg victim and let them dwindle away. I hope you enjoy it. But its far from great. Good maybe.
Neomac316 2 months ago
@Neomac316 and I agree with you that it is far from great. The more I watch through them,the more I realize the throw away episodes however it just seems like they were focused on character development & not as plot driven as the original series. I think TNG, DS9, & even Enterprise were all the same way so ur going to have a mix of good& bad episodes. However the only ones to ever get movie deals where the TNG and the original series so that does say a lot. Regardless I'm a trekkie at hear.
shaithis80 2 months ago
GO PAST WARP 10 and make sure the VOLUME GOES UP TO 11 !!
jamesedwardtheobald 2 months ago
this episode never happened.
NEVER HAPPENED!
daiklaive 2 months ago
@daiklaive we all want to forget, but it did happen
simoninman1987 2 months ago
@daiklaive unfortunately it did but then I think that whole season was a bit dodgy I still enjoy it as I enjoy all the Star Terk's but in general I do think it was one of Star Terk's worst seasons
sjsharp2007 2 months ago
LOL description says it all. This episode sucked hard.
MorreskiBear 2 months ago
I WANT TO BE A SALAMANDER TOO
wilde1 2 months ago
The worst trek episode ever was the episode of the next generation when Geordi and Ro Larren were phased so they could pass through stuff and nobody could see or hear them. Why didn't they pass through the floor and out into space?
cdmgov 2 months ago 28
@cdmgov it wasnt as bad as this voyager edisode, it the worst of all
monkeyhanger83 2 months ago
@cdmgov
Yeah because that one overlooked flaw really compares to the amount of bullshit that is in this episode of Voyager. According to the writers of Threshold, Humans will someday evolve into salamanders that have no capabilities of speech, conceptual thought or any kind of cognitive functions. Also, rather than just using the Warp 10 technology to get home, and having the EMH (who is immune) reverse the effects, they decide not to. The writers have no grasp of what they're writing on this.
TheDarkFrontier 2 months ago
@cdmgov wormhole X-treme!
venku1222 2 months ago
@cdmgov i liked that episode, but i thought the same exact thing :(
robaralis 2 months ago
@robaralis same here
greggreggreg2000 2 months ago
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@cdmgov Because the floors, much like the gravity control systems, are exceptionally well built on starfleet ships. Think about it; the ship is under attack, power failing, shields gone, lights flickering...gravity holding strong. Panels, walls, consoles, lights and conduits are always blowing up (with an oddly large amount of sparks)...but the floors; intact every time. They must be trans-phasic-inverse-tachyon-poly-peptide floors...with mint frosting.
kev3d 2 months ago
@cdmgov Because then the plot line would suck, Its called science FICTION for a reason...
BigPapaBear1000 2 months ago
@cdmgov i liked that one... maybe because there is negligible gravity in space, even on a starship? just speculation.
nyhilusofborg 2 months ago
@cdmgov THAT WAS MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY, even when I was 10. "if they pass through the walls, why not the floors?" Don't get me wrong, I'm a Trekkie till i die, but for real
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Potterfan22304 2 months ago
@cdmgov exactly
cwross1976 1 month ago
WRONG Red alart Klaxon thats all im saying on the matter!
voyager16 2 months ago
Get the cheese to sickbay.
therealCamoron 2 months ago
This one was bad but the Tuvix episode was way worse. Fucking blow him out of the nearest airlock!.
simonriddick 2 months ago
yea that was pretty gay......apologies to gay people
wildj355 2 months ago
The worst Star Trek episode ever, and it came from Voyager. Imagine my surprise.
TheGameroomBlitz 2 months ago
This episode actually won an award. So, I can't agree about it being the worst...
TheInuyanma 3 months ago
This episode did have its weird moments but I thought it was cool that they reintroduced the idea of Trans-warp to the series and reminding us of the failed Starfleet attempts to break the Trans warp barrier! I have always wanted more detail on the great experiment and what they did with the Excelsior before it was refitted with a conventional warp drive and commanded by Sulu
katakisLives 3 months ago
Stargate FTW
gwaritchie 3 months ago
I had a disgusting look after watching this episodes. It is so wrong in every way.
spike378 3 months ago
This admittedly was a pretty weird episode.
UPRC 3 months ago
What I never understood was, if the Doctor successfully turned Paris and Janeway back into humans, why couldn't they travel to the Alpha Quadrant at Warp 10, then just do the same procedure again at Starfleet Medical? Another few decades in the Delta Quadrant vs. a few weeks recouping from the operation... Just doesn't compute
bhan87 3 months ago
I like that episode
SmokinTJ420 3 months ago
One of my favorites! :p
omegaman7769 3 months ago
1. Warp 10 is DANGEROUS. Infinite speeds? Occupy any point in the universe whenever you want? You could travel to Warp 10 in a nanosecond of time and choose where you want to go. Home... or enemy territory... or a black hole. No sensor in existence would keep up. Warp 10 is bullshit.
2. F***ING SALAMANDERS? What the hell were they smoking when they made this episode?
TheSonicGod 3 months ago
@TheSonicGod Starfleet must have run into all sorts of trouble when trying to break the Transwarp barrier otherwise they would have a fleet of transwarp vessels! the "great experiment" didn't get very far.
katakisLives 3 months ago
First of all WOW I cannot BELIEVE how many comments there are on this. There are SO MANY Trek nerds!
And to continue, Yes, this episode is, as Quagmire says, a total dumpster fire! (at least I am also a FG nerd). My feeling was, humanity struggled for eons (supposedly, I'm not an evolutionist) to crawl out of the primordial soup, and guess what? We're going to end up right back in there. Maybe we SHOULD nuke ourselves. At least we'll go out on top
flowertrue 3 months ago
@flowertrue If there's one thing that Star Trek (and other sc fi shows) have taught us, is that the apex of evolution usually involves being some kind of all seeing all knowing shapeless formless energy being.
katakisLives 3 months ago
SALAMANDER SEX PARTY!!! :D
kanyehater100 3 months ago
I think the basic idea is misunderstood, the point was that Warp 10 has an unpredictable and horrific effect on genetics. It was not about evolution at all, rather a cautionary tale. Most people who I spoke to who saw this one thought the writers meant that Paris was evolving, which makes no sense (populations evolve, not individuals). The ep is poor in the sense that the writers didn't express the premise with clarity, but it is FAR from the worst ever Trek. There were worse eps on VOY alone.
KRSsven 3 months ago
@KRSsven
Except the writer specifically said that he was evolving, and wanted to convey the message that "humanoid" was not necessarily the end product of evolution.
He also admitted the original idea was much larger, and by the time it was been chopped down to fit the script, it was terrible.
Draknfyre 3 months ago
wow i'm an extreme voyager fan and i've not seen this episode!
rosscairns95 3 months ago
This is not the worst ever. The whole bit about transforming and having babies, as incredibly stupid as it was, only appeared at the very end of the episode. It was okay up until that point.
The whole and entire devolution episode from tNG is by far the stupidest and worst episode, with a premise so bad it just grinds the mind away from beginning to end.
TheOtherSteel 3 months ago
@TheOtherSteel Didn't one of the TNG crew (Barclay?) end up turning into a spider in that episode?
MrSinister1979 3 months ago
@MrSinister1979 He turned into a spider during the TNG episode, "Genesis" . One of my favorites. Riker de-evolves into an earlier primate.
omegaman7769 3 months ago
@TheOtherSteel The idea that our genetic code contains relics from earlier evolutionary stages is a bad premise? You do realise that modern day chimpanzees are something like 98% or something identical to humans?
storm626 2 months ago
Haha I could not stop laughing during this episode!!!!!
JuliaTrekkie1701 3 months ago
according to Michael Okuda, TOS used warp factors to 13, 15, and I think even 17. However they made warp 10 (1000 times the speed of light) the upper limit in TNG so they're excuse was that the timeline before TNG uses a different system of warp factors
JtiksPies 3 months ago
JANEWAY GETS FUCKED IN THIS EPISODE ITS THE ONLY TIME IN THE SERIES!!! BEST EPISODE EVVVVVVER
ODOMAN123 3 months ago
I didn't think this was one of the worst episodes, but the adverts make it so much worse
Omni315 3 months ago
As a salamander is the only way I'd want to see Janeway get it on.
audevourahn 3 months ago
In the last episode of TNG, when picard is on captain crusher/picard's ship in the future they go way over warp 10, like warp 14 i think. nothing happened then, so its been established waaaaaay before voyager.
slowdrum13 3 months ago
@slowdrum13 That was in the "Anti-time" future so that timeline may never come to exist. The original warp speeds in TOS went up in powers of ten.
InusSonCurtis 3 months ago
I kind of like the idea of Paris and Jayway getting it on as salamanders. But yeah the episode sucked.
thingjob 3 months ago
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what was so bad about this ep?
gringolazlo 3 months ago
This was definitely one of the worst episodes ever.
LenonHonorFilms 3 months ago
A bad voyager episode no doubt, but Mortal Coil season 4 of VOY is much worse surely??
kezzlovesit10 3 months ago
I think the worst Voyager episode ever was 5x23 - "Eleven Fifty Nine" - which happens on earth in some Janeway flashback
sisigwithrice 3 months ago
LOL, Worst ep EVER! xD
JustJismSongs 3 months ago
thought the espisode wasn't that bad if I'm honest ,
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emmab2006 3 months ago
I'd call this the Worst in Voyager History but not in all of Star Trek. The original series, for all of its greatness, produced so many really bad episodes with space hippies, slow motion Gorn fights, Nazis, Romans, Prohibition gangsters, Communists, et al
FerretJohn 3 months ago
Wow, you never see the tv trailers when you just watch the DVDs. They're hilarious!
josepherader 3 months ago
This episode was officially removed from canon for being just that bad. It included a scene where Paris was suddenly allergic to water, the #1 substance REQUIRED for pretty much everything, even in the Star Trek universe. Then later, Paris was swimming in water in salamander form. This episode never happened.
Goldstarking68 3 months ago
@Goldstarking68 See, you've just got to really be a hard core fan to appreciate this show. It's so terrible that it becomes one of your favorites!
josepherader 3 months ago
I wish they would bring back Star Trek because the SYFY network sucks anymore they cancelled stargate universe and caprica ! They aren't no star trek but at least we had something in the future ! I want a Star Trek that is cool again based on Gene's vision no religion or discrimination ! Plus , they need to find away to bring back DATA !!!!
ericnj503 3 months ago 4
@ericnj503 They do need to bring ST back but they need to leave all the crappy drama out of it and make it like TNG was. Voyager attempted this, but it was too foreign for anyone to really get into, hence the reason there's not been a movie with them imo. Same goes with DS:9. To much drama, not enough of what everyone loves about ST.
L0zz0 3 months ago
@L0zz0 I thought that there was no Voyager based movie because the USS Voyagers story was effectively over when they got back to the Alpha quadrant and the rest of the time they could not be involved bacause they were all the way other in the delta quadrant
katakisLives 3 months ago
@ericnj503 I hate to break it to you, but Roddenberry's original series definitely had religion in it: hell, the original Enterprise has a chapel on board...
MrSinister1979 3 months ago
@ericnj503 Data was obliterated at the end of Nemesis, the only way I could imagine bring back Data would be via the other identical android B4! he was supposed to have acquired all the memories of Data but Data was more than the sum of his memories so I can't imagine that working! then there is the issue of age! Brent Spiner was already getting a bit too old to be playing an ageless android! and the last TNG movie was years ago so I can't imagine he'd get away with it now
katakisLives 3 months ago
@katakisLives
*cough cough* have you seen the new Tron? so stfu
obliviousmnd 3 months ago
@obliviousmnd Yeah, I've seen Tron Legacy! I guess the same process could be used to make Data look more like he did in the 90's but Tron did have a certain aesthetic I figured that this process would be a lot harder look too convincing in a full live action movie!
katakisLives 3 months ago
@katakisLives CGI?
autonami 3 months ago
@autonami Yeah! CGI is the process! what I meant was that in the almost fully CGI world of Tron it didn't matter if the effect looked slighly unnatural but in a live action setting it would stand out more!
katakisLives 3 months ago
@ericnj503 Brent Spiner is too old now to play an ageless android.
Dorminay42 2 months ago
Bring Back Star Trek ! Any Star Trek!
Just Do a Series Again.
We are Bored with all the SHIT on Tv!!!
TheGreatAfricanGuru 3 months ago 45
@TheGreatAfricanGuru amen to that
thatandthatstudios 3 months ago
@TheGreatAfricanGuru How about a series based on the new Trek film?
EduardoTVideos 2 months ago
@EduardoTVideos Anything my friend that can make us imagine
TheGreatAfricanGuru 2 months ago
@TheGreatAfricanGuru Seriously, we need more trek and something better than J.J Abrams.
cdmgov 2 months ago
any episode from voyager is the worst star trek ever
kryptic127 3 months ago
IF THATS OR FUTURE VERSION, THEN.....OH GOD
startrekfan42 3 months ago
How stupid episode...
SvitaMichal 3 months ago
At warp 10 everything is lizards.
premiergeneralmiller 3 months ago 3
@premiergeneralmiller I thou