I like how he related his personal experiences with his stances against domestic violence. He didn't have to yell or insult anyone personally; it was a grown up talk about a grown-up's problem.
Hey, uploader, you're mistaken about something. Stewart talks that *domestic abuse* is endemic, not violenve against woman. Unless, of course, he is a woman himself.
Well it's 10 to 4 in the morning so I'm going to respecfully back out now :) It's nice to argue with people who disagree with me perhaps but do so while knowing their shit. However maybe next time we can all (including myself) take it easy on the cheap shots :) I assure you all I'll be off to the library to come to my own conclusions about both feminist and non-feminist writers.
Shut up kitschrecords - he's talking about his own experiences which were about violence against women. He never said "oh btw this never happens to men ever!" It just happens more to women than it does to men.
@Seranella wrote "It just happens more to women than it does to men."
That's the fallacy. Women and men perpetrate severe domestic violence at comparable rates. The figures show that married men and biological fathers are responsible for the least amount, only 6%, of any group. That is, women and children are safest in marriage in cohabitation with the biological father of the children.
@Seranella Well, then, there are only 89,000 rapes in the US. What would be the method to estimate the under-reporting of rape, which is that one in six women are victims of sexual assault in their lifetime? If such an estimate can be made for rape, it can also be made for under-reporting of female-against-male domestic violence.
The statistics I gave you did not account for under-reporting for each gender. There is no way to know the exact number but I do KNOW that there are cases of DV that go unreported.
@Seranella That's right! even worse he assumes that it doesn't. btw you may want to double check your stats there.. you sound like a parrot with bad info hahaha. life must be like the twilight zone for you, walking around this confused or possibly in denial because you've held these bogus beliefs for so long now, you couldn't possible entertain the idea that you are so very wrong, so clueless.. yet speak as if an authority on the subject. I really hope you don't have any sons.
@Seranella That is an argument, character has everything to do with it, but fair enough i'll take it easy on the cheap shots. These are just such frustrating misconceptions that continue to do such damage to men & women and particularly children and incorrect data and bad education proliferates it. Warren Farrell is always a great place to start in clarifying the subject, he is very thorough with a background in feminism. Also the pendulum effect is great also.
this is sexist, what does gender have to do with this. he's pre-supposing that domestic violence is synonymous with male violence based on his own narrow experience. i had always thought he was intelligent, maybe it's just the dulcet tones..
yeah now if we can only get people to recognize the fact that WOMEN are the perpetrators and instigators of DV in 42% of cases and hold them accountable as well as we do men we might actually begin approaching something like EQUALITY.
50% of women claim they have been victims. The same reports also include a parallel figure of 50% of men claim they have been victims of domestic violence.
Mr. Stewart, let's take domestic violence seriously by listing women as equal perpetrators against men and the majority of perpetrators against children.
I don't think he ever said violence against men doesn't happen or that it is acceptable, his experiences led him to discuss violence against women. I think violence against anyone should be taken very very seriously, men or women.
Also 50% of figures could be plucked out of the writers arse.. unless they care to reference.
Domestic violence is not a gender issue. Both men and women can be violent in the home.
As a Trek fan, I am disappointed that Patrick does not get it. But I understand that he has particular childhood experiences that have shaped his point of view.
Study after study indicates that women are in fact more violent than men.The majority of child murderers are overwhelmingly female;Susan Smith & Andrea Yates just to name a few.While most women are treated with kid-gloves in the judicial system,if a man were to kill his own children,you can bet your ass that he's going to have hell to pay !!As for Patrick Stewart,it's quite obvious his mother raised him to pee sitting down,and how to become a complete pussy.What a piece of excrement !!
Why only represent one section of society or is this the feminist agenda. All it does is to give women the belief or fear that all men are monsters. Infact, what happens is that some women develop a victim mentality and end up being the monsters themselves. Feminism is not very feminine.
All those talking about parents choosing their sons to be circumcized as being "mutilation," and comparing it to real mutilation is discusting, and a joke. While I would personally not agree to circumcize a baby, and allow him to make his own choice in adolescence, removing a foreskin it is still not the same are removing an entire sex organ, and sewing of vulvas as they do with female mutilation. Circumcision is done for health, vs. female mutilation is done out of "shame" of women's genetlia
@rosskay You make me want to vomit !! Circumcision has nothing at all to do with the health of a male newborn.Where are your facts ? You state "....health,vs Female...." as if you're engaged in a war with males.You're just another misandrist talking out of your ass.Weather a penis is an "entire sex organ" is irrelevant,it's never,ever allright !!
@East180thStreetYard Circumcision is a direct factor in the health of a newborn. The complication rate for circumcision is high, which includes a variety of conditions ranging from infection requiring antibiotics to rare death.
From Dr. Dean Odell :
The complication rate of the circumcision operation itself - from bleeding to amputation of the penis - is at least one in 200 according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
@rosskay Circumcision is analogous to amputation of the female clitoral hood, which is illegal in every Western nation.
Circumcision is not done for any health benefit because there aren't any. The primary reasons for circumcision are ritual, appearance and in the US, conformity to a cultural idea of what a penis should look like. The circumcision rate in the US has dropped from the peak of 90% in the 1960's to 33% in 2009. In Australia and the UK, it is approaching 0%.
@feministsAreCorrupt I never claimed their were actual health benefits behind it. I said the purpose behind it, the mentality and "reasoning"
and on the contrary, it does not cause infection usually for men, but it does for women. In heterosexual relationships where the male is not circumcized are higher incidences of UTI's in the woman as well as bv.
typical female reasoning: the genitals of infant males should be mutilated so as to decrease incidence of UT infections in females. lets square that with the "reasoning" of the barbaric nations that engage in female genital mutilations: they purport to remove the clit from females to ensure greater fidelity between married heterosexual partners, for the benefit of men. can anyone explain the difference in either of these vile rationalities to me?
@knowthingman me stating a fact does not reflect my stances of beliefs or rationale. If you choose to misinterpret and misrepresent me and make up stuff I did not say to feel good like you are winning an (imaginary) argument, by all means, argue with yourself, lol.
then simply say that every person must take responsibility for their own mistakes, including "your friend", male or female, and that that isnt what you meant, and that that isnt your belief and you will have my immediate apology.
"typical female reasoning" <-- sexist and untrue, there is no typical female reasoning. I am against circumcision if it's not necessary.. male or female, me and rosskay disagree - we are both women. There is nothing typical to what we are saying.
i agree. there is no typical female reasoning. in fact, i would make the case that it is simply not present at all in many women. i have only my personal experience to go on.
Would you therefore argue that despite my discussing your points and looking for evidence to back my points up.. I have no reasoning?
What I meant (and I'm sure you knew what I meant anyway) was that there is no such thing as a 'typical' woman - I believe things you consider a typical woman to be are stereotypes, perhaps based in experiences that you may have had, but that shows that you may have narrow experiences with women.
i am amused that you begin your assesment with a criticism of my (admitted) generalization, and end your "argument" by making a generalization regarding my experience with women, in effect echoing your own hypocricy and bias.
which ironically only serves as further evidence to prove my original subjective claim.
you at least have a good grasp on circular logic. but yes i believe your own statement shows how far from reasoning you still are.
The word perhaps is more of a musing than an iron clad statement. I would hardly call it hypocrisy and bias - but it's easy to attack the person making an argument isn't it..
i dont know, is it? i have only made the claim (and admitted that it was a claim only based on my subjective experience, not fact) that you only persist on continuing to prove with your own statements.
you are the one that decided to "attack the person" by suggesting my experience with women was limited.
as i've already said though a woman making an unqualified irrational claim is perfectly in line with my experience.
(yawn) "typical" is the word i choose to describe you.
That's interesting because I would describe you as a typical misogynist. However I don't consider implying you have less experience with women as a personal attack - if anything it's a small excuse for your opinions which I consider to be quite volatile.
i would also assert that although you and rosskay disagree, rosskays opinion is the dominant of the two, as is the subject of this vid is indicative of a more general view at odds with your personal one.
I don't think male circumcision being moral is a dominant viewpoint within feminists. I could be wrong I haven't done the research. The fact that we disagree shows that not all feminists have the same views and not all feminists argue in the same way.
i made no claim to morality. my claim was the implied "usefulness" of circumcision as it was alleged, not for the male thats being circumcised, but for the female, the implication being that bodily mutilation of one person could be justified if it benefited another human being in some scientific way. this was my interpretation of the claim.
i think most people in the west mutilate males for the same reasons females are mutilated: thoughtless useless traditional practice.
You misunderstood what I meant - the word 'moral' was just to describe the differences between mine and the other posters' views, even though we are both feminists,
ah, i just thought that since that comment was directed @ me i had something to do with it lol.
the bottom line on this subject for never had anything to do with circumcision. its that, for perhaps the first time in history, men in the western world have less rights than women, and are being systematically fucked much like women were in the past, yet the feminist lobby machine continues to make noise for no other reason than to get more money.
I disagree - I am fully in support of movements such as "fathers for justics" and am very interested in situations where men are "systematically fucked" to put it in your words :P. Less media and charity surrounding testicular cancer than breast cancer for example? But DV is an issue which does harm majoritarily women and needs to be dealt with more legally than it is now.
@Seranella "Less media and charity surrounding testicular cancer than breast cancer for example?"
Testicular cancer is rare. Prostate cancer kills men at the same rate as breast cancer kills women.
There is no media coverage on the quality of male life and the lower male life expectancy. If women lived five fewer years as do men, TV would be blaring that message of social inequity every day.
There's no evidence to your last claim. Please don't nitpick which types of male cancers I was providing an example. I used testicular cancer because people close to me have had experiences with it.
well most research indicates that women are infact instigators/perps in 42% of DV cases, yet this is ignored, and women continue to be treated universally as victims and men as victimizers. im sick of it. the reason DV persists is twofold:
women are emboldened to abuse knowing even if its their fault if the cops show up the guys going to jail,
and
the industries "fighting" DV dont want to fix it, they want it to continue so that the flow of money continues.
oh the UK is even worse than the US. they spend TEN TIMES more on breast cancer than prostate cancer (which effect similar #'s of their respective sexes).
if you dont think that people are getting rich off the inflated and skewed DV "awareness" industry, charities AND non-profits included, then i cant help you. i urge you to look more closely at the politics and grant moneys awarded to these industries by the gov. "fail" is what the gov does best.
1st paragraph - yes and I agree that this is wrong...
2nd paragraph - admittedly I do not know much about the economics of large charities so you're right on this one. I do not require your help, however because I'm now curious enough to grab a book from my university library and do a bit of research on the matter.
i think thats wonderful. start with the story of Erin Pizzey, the woman that founded the first womens shelter in your country, and what happened to her when she tried to publicize the truth....
i worked for a non-profit for almost 4 yrs.
more people need to be concerned with the truth. not about being right. and not about getting rich off of hate, lies, and misery.
There are things I disagree on and there are things I agree on. In another utube video they were discussing kicking a man out of his house if his wife says "he hit me." I thought that was absolutely ridiculous and agreed with her on the matter.
i was referring specifically to her own account of how feminists and feminist organizations threatened her life, her family, and damaged her property shortly after it was clear she intended to set up mens shelters, and publish research indicating that women commit nearly as much DV as do men, and in fact are more often the abusers of their children more so than fathers.
I am unaware of the facts based on abuse of children - however my stance on the matter is that DV is wrong regardless of the gender. Rewinding everything and getting back to the topic. Patrick Stewart was discussing his own experiences with DV which is why it may have been female-centric and I doubt there'd be so much backlash on a video where someone discusses DV against their father by their mother.
I also find it interesting that I get openly criticised for - not really demanding, but requesting that I pay for my own food/drinks when me and my boyfriend are out. He has no problem with it, not just because of the monetary gain! However people say to me "doesn't that remove the romance?" Well if a romantic relationship relies on a woman getting a free ride then I'll happily miss out.
people convienently forget that true equality comes in two parts: rights AND responsibilities. if you are given the rights and not the responsibilities, you are in fact only the beneficiary of "privilige". if you are given responsibilities without rights, you are somewhere between a second class citizen and a slave.
I don't want to make any assumptions here but perhaps what I call feminist you would not call feminist. We seem to agree on more than we first may have assumed? I dislike the term feminist but prefer to use it so people can identify my beliefs which link with feminist beliefs, however the term itself is quite sexist. I prefer for women to be seen at the same level as men and vice versa.
agreed. i think that makes us "humanists". many women have no idea how much they have been lied to, manipulated, and flattered by organizations and governments for no other reason than the profit of these industries. women get to go on thinking they aren't part of the problem, and these industries get to keep cashing in on a problem that they KNOW isnt going away because they are aware that it isnt being treated properly. i hope women find out, and that it makes em mad as hell.
@knowthingman It's pretty clear that women don't give a crap about any male health issues as that would divert money from women's health funding. That is Feminism : What is Good for the Woman is good for everyone.
the issue is bigger than a single point. just because im against female genital mutilation doesn't make me a feminist, in the same way, just because you're against male genital mutilation doesn't make you concerned with overall men's rights, health, etc.
Siiiiigh - nonono I mean we both agree that genital mutilation for both genders is not neccessary and is rooted in tradition instead of medical or social benefit. That's it - nothing else. No claims you're a feminist no claim's I'm a masculinist.
Sorry, Seranella. I missed that part in which you were against circumcision. Somewhere in this thread, you were dropping terms such as misogynist as well as identifying yourself as a Feminist, which is a political philosophy if female supremacy that seeks to advance women primarily at the expense of men.
I hope you're trolling because you clearly haven't done your research - there are many many forms of feminism, if one believes that women should be advanced further than men then I feel sorry for them, but I do not follow this form of feminism.
@Seranella I have studied and read more books on Feminism than a dozen of the Feminists around you. Feminism is a sexist doctrine. When questioned, Feminists say that only the *other* feminists are bad.
Well, if as you say, feminism isn't only about women, would you please list a single source that shows concern for any male issue in its basic feminist platform of issues?
agreed. however, i dont think we can sincerely fault them for this. should we expect women to care as much or more about men than themselves? should we expect one race to favor the cause of another over its own?
human nature bends towards selfishness and greed. its a sonofabitch, but its the reality we live in. if anyone truly wants equality, the message is clear: they are going to have to get it their damn selves.
@rosskay "In heterosexual relationships where the male is not circumcized are higher incidences of UTI's in the woman as well as bv."
Any chance you have a source? We would then expect UTIs to occur much more in the Europe and Japan. The US is the most highly circumcised Western nation on earth. Should it have the nickname "Where no UTI dares to travel?"
Videos like this just perpetuate feminist lies about men . Haven't you done enough damage to men and our families ? Stop your campaign of hate against men. Listen to real statistics about violence and see what Erin Pizzey had to say
Although... I would be greatly pleased if a woman who cut off my penis did no time for it. My only goal in life would be to equally remove her ability to procreate and also rob her of her ability to enjoy any sexual activity, just like what occurs when a man's penis is violently removed.
I've researched instances in which a woman has violently removed a man's penis; justified and unjustified instances, the outcome is similar.
If I recall correctly, 9/10 women found guilty, of completely ruining the man's life, did almost no time, if any.
Now imagine for a moment several reported cases of men violently removing both a woman's clitoris and nipples. How much time in prison do you believe each man would do for robbing women of their ability to reproduce and enjoy sexual activity?
He sure rambles on, in this video. Is he attempting to imitate Shatner? lol
I agree that men should be held accountable for domestic violence. Throw the book at them, but treat women the same under the law. Men and women should NOT have different punishment for the same crime.
For instance; a 21yr old woman sleeps with a willing 16yr old boy. She will do very little time, if ANY!
Now imagine if it were a 21yr old man with a willing 16yr old girl? He will do years.
The double standard is appalling and until that issue is taken care of, it's difficult for my heart to bleed over feminists who supposedly want more rights than men.
I would be quicker to support feminism if it were pushing for gender equality rather than merely shifting the balance of power from one to the other.
The better question is, show me some examples of women doing the same time as men for the exact same crime. I can guarantee your examples will be more difficult to find than what you're requesting of me.
Women are less likely to be violent offenders. So the rate/duration of incarceration will be lower. Generally, women use coercion and manipulation which are less dangerous than force and intimidation.
So, the same crime committed in different ways has a different outcome.
It is not a "crime of passion". Abusers do a cold, calculating application of violence, followed by remorse to pull the victim back, and then it starts again.
If the offender is male/female it should be irrelevant.
"Women are less likely to be violent offenders. So the rate/duration of incarceration will be lower. Generally, women use coercion and manipulation which are less dangerous than force and intimidation."
I wasn't referring to different methods of a similar crime, but the EXACT crime with the EXACT violence. Women do much less time than men do for that EXACT same crime.
"If the offender is male/female it should be irrelevant."
Agreed, but the current court system disagrees with us.
The trouble begins with the details, I think. Intercourse is probably the most frowned upon action, since disease/pregnancy can result from it, while other forms of sexual assault are deemed "lesser offense".
Can a male unwillingly enter intercourse? The only case I know of is when someone was tied down and force fed viagra (in england or russia, I think).
So that's one case vs thousands of males assaulting females. Also, females usually suffer more when assaulted. How can the law be equal?
What does this have to do with genital mutilation as a result of a psycho ex-girlfriend cutting off a man's penis out of jealousy? Or were you replying to a different comment?
My argument is that motive counts, and will be different for men and women... usually. Neither one of us is in the courtroom and have all the details. Is a jury/judge swayed by a crying guilty woman more than a crying guilty man? Maybe. But culture is a tricky variable. In many countries, genital mutilation of girls, but not boys, is encouraged. Mutilating a man in those countries will be perceived as more serious than that of a woman, by default.
"In many countries, genital mutilation of girls, but not boys, is encouraged. Mutilating a man in those countries will be perceived as more serious than that of a woman, by default.
The offender would then get a heavier sentence."
That is unjust to punish men less for the same crime, just as it's unjust to punish a woman less for the same crime.
But what feels like justice to most of them is that the offender with a male victim receive a harsher sentence.
I think everyone who thinks about this seriously agrees that the same crimes, committed in the same ways, with the same intents, should receive the same sentences, no matter who the victims. We all want justice to be blind and everyone equal...
But perfect congruency is uncommon, even in more usual crimes. The jury/judge has to rely on personal instinct in some way. It's not perfect
It's laughably far from perfect and that's my point. Lady Justice is surely weeping underneath her blindfold at the mere thought of our mediocre system.
I guess my point would be that the system is a perfect as it can be given the murky area of whether men and women are equal or equivalent.
Men are less likely to be victims, but, from what I've read during this discussion, it's still very high, and very probably unreported. One stat that won't be blurred:
From wikipedia:
1 man every 14 days is killed in France by conjugal violence, and 1 women every 2 days.
So for a given murder, it's a 12.5% chance that a man died vs 87.5% that a woman did.
The rate at which men abuse women vs the rate at which women abuse men physically, should have no bearing on the sentence awarded to a woman or man who commits a violent crime. The individual should never be held responsible for the actions of the differing majority.
I was going to argue that the proportions of verifiable rates gives a good idea of the unreported rates of abuse, which is relevant to the culture of violence which tolerates discrimination.
But I don't think I've got the energy to keep going! ☺
@RobotTed "1 man every 14 days is killed in France by conjugal violence, and 1 women every 2 days."
In the US, that is two women a day and one man a day. Though, women that hire a contract killer are included in "multiple assailant" murders and thus counted at lower rates.
Starts with one, educating. I grew up in it, married it. Victim, I now say was! It stays with you. Diligent wanting and working to change patterns and worth. Reality is, most don't want to, they identify with the wounds. Its easier, they know it well. Government cannot help that. I worked in good programs. I am rare, I dug deep exposing mindsets. No quick fixes
Smile at a child, showing theres cool people too. Never know what they go home to! Yes, it helps!
How sad that this man should allow himself to be used as a hate weapon against men without even realising it. The domestic violence industry is just that. An industry. It has nothing to do with the subject itself, otherwise, the man haters who control the refuge movement worldwide, would acknowledge that domestic violence against men is just as serious and that most domestic violence against children is committed by the natural mother. Search for refuge founder Erin Pizzey's take on these liars
I have had to stop fights where men were going to hurt the women. The women always go back. The men don't get them, they go back willingly, because people are fucked up, and this is all complete bullshit.
I'd like to see more government intervention in the sex trade where women and children are being exploited or treated as slaves... other than that, women have to take care of themselves and men need to get therapy.
pansy
AnimalBlackmatism 2 weeks ago
I just lost some respect for Patrick Stewart.
blueshogun96 1 month ago
patrick, you're awesome, but you couldn't be more wrong in this video
SevenStringShredHead 3 months ago
Very well said!!! But lets not leave out violence against men!!! Men get abused by their spouses too.
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago 3
I like how he related his personal experiences with his stances against domestic violence. He didn't have to yell or insult anyone personally; it was a grown up talk about a grown-up's problem.
foremount 6 months ago 2
Hey, uploader, you're mistaken about something. Stewart talks that *domestic abuse* is endemic, not violenve against woman. Unless, of course, he is a woman himself.
ParaphiliacVSYou 7 months ago
male victims of domestic abuse are still receiving as much aid from police and society, as women did 50 years ago.
adequateautocrat 9 months ago
Education is a MUST. Education is the liberator of the mind, the soul and women.
"If you educate a boy, you educate an individual. If you educate a girl, you educate and entire village".
bigmadbad 1 year ago
"we're all in this together"
kitschrecords 1 year ago
Well it's 10 to 4 in the morning so I'm going to respecfully back out now :) It's nice to argue with people who disagree with me perhaps but do so while knowing their shit. However maybe next time we can all (including myself) take it easy on the cheap shots :) I assure you all I'll be off to the library to come to my own conclusions about both feminist and non-feminist writers.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella nice one! take care. peace;)
kitschrecords 1 year ago
Shut up kitschrecords - he's talking about his own experiences which were about violence against women. He never said "oh btw this never happens to men ever!" It just happens more to women than it does to men.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella wrote "It just happens more to women than it does to men."
That's the fallacy. Women and men perpetrate severe domestic violence at comparable rates. The figures show that married men and biological fathers are responsible for the least amount, only 6%, of any group. That is, women and children are safest in marriage in cohabitation with the biological father of the children.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella I'd like to see how the undercounting for assaults on males by females is undercounted.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
I'm enjoying the fact that in the presence of statistics you're saying "NO THEY'RE WRONG" because they disagree with you.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella Well, then, there are only 89,000 rapes in the US. What would be the method to estimate the under-reporting of rape, which is that one in six women are victims of sexual assault in their lifetime? If such an estimate can be made for rape, it can also be made for under-reporting of female-against-male domestic violence.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
The statistics I gave you did not account for under-reporting for each gender. There is no way to know the exact number but I do KNOW that there are cases of DV that go unreported.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
For both men AND women.
Seranella 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
Also that doesn't include unmarried partners or non biological fathers which make up a lot of households now
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella That's right! even worse he assumes that it doesn't. btw you may want to double check your stats there.. you sound like a parrot with bad info hahaha. life must be like the twilight zone for you, walking around this confused or possibly in denial because you've held these bogus beliefs for so long now, you couldn't possible entertain the idea that you are so very wrong, so clueless.. yet speak as if an authority on the subject. I really hope you don't have any sons.
kitschrecords 1 year ago
@kitschrecords
Boring - next time you want to argue with me please come up with an actual argument instead of a load of bollocks about my character.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella That is an argument, character has everything to do with it, but fair enough i'll take it easy on the cheap shots. These are just such frustrating misconceptions that continue to do such damage to men & women and particularly children and incorrect data and bad education proliferates it. Warren Farrell is always a great place to start in clarifying the subject, he is very thorough with a background in feminism. Also the pendulum effect is great also.
kitschrecords 1 year ago
this is sexist, what does gender have to do with this. he's pre-supposing that domestic violence is synonymous with male violence based on his own narrow experience. i had always thought he was intelligent, maybe it's just the dulcet tones..
kitschrecords 1 year ago
@kitschrecords
he just plays smart people on tv.
knowthingman 1 year ago
yeah now if we can only get people to recognize the fact that WOMEN are the perpetrators and instigators of DV in 42% of cases and hold them accountable as well as we do men we might actually begin approaching something like EQUALITY.
knowthingman 1 year ago
"She must have provoked him"
50% of women claim they have been victims. The same reports also include a parallel figure of 50% of men claim they have been victims of domestic violence.
Mr. Stewart, let's take domestic violence seriously by listing women as equal perpetrators against men and the majority of perpetrators against children.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago 2
@feministsAreCorrupt
I don't think he ever said violence against men doesn't happen or that it is acceptable, his experiences led him to discuss violence against women. I think violence against anyone should be taken very very seriously, men or women.
Also 50% of figures could be plucked out of the writers arse.. unless they care to reference.
Seranella 1 year ago
Domestic violence is not a gender issue. Both men and women can be violent in the home.
As a Trek fan, I am disappointed that Patrick does not get it. But I understand that he has particular childhood experiences that have shaped his point of view.
proudguy 1 year ago
Violence against women should be banned: MAKE IT SO...
yourass117 1 year ago
Study after study indicates that women are in fact more violent than men.The majority of child murderers are overwhelmingly female;Susan Smith & Andrea Yates just to name a few.While most women are treated with kid-gloves in the judicial system,if a man were to kill his own children,you can bet your ass that he's going to have hell to pay !!As for Patrick Stewart,it's quite obvious his mother raised him to pee sitting down,and how to become a complete pussy.What a piece of excrement !!
East180thStreetYard 1 year ago
Why only represent one section of society or is this the feminist agenda. All it does is to give women the belief or fear that all men are monsters. Infact, what happens is that some women develop a victim mentality and end up being the monsters themselves. Feminism is not very feminine.
Jeorney 1 year ago
All those talking about parents choosing their sons to be circumcized as being "mutilation," and comparing it to real mutilation is discusting, and a joke. While I would personally not agree to circumcize a baby, and allow him to make his own choice in adolescence, removing a foreskin it is still not the same are removing an entire sex organ, and sewing of vulvas as they do with female mutilation. Circumcision is done for health, vs. female mutilation is done out of "shame" of women's genetlia
rosskay 2 years ago
@rosskay You make me want to vomit !! Circumcision has nothing at all to do with the health of a male newborn.Where are your facts ? You state "....health,vs Female...." as if you're engaged in a war with males.You're just another misandrist talking out of your ass.Weather a penis is an "entire sex organ" is irrelevant,it's never,ever allright !!
East180thStreetYard 1 year ago
@East180thStreetYard the intentions behind it is health, whether it makes a difference or not. The point I made it about sexual control
rosskay 1 year ago
@East180thStreetYard Circumcision is a direct factor in the health of a newborn. The complication rate for circumcision is high, which includes a variety of conditions ranging from infection requiring antibiotics to rare death.
From Dr. Dean Odell :
The complication rate of the circumcision operation itself - from bleeding to amputation of the penis - is at least one in 200 according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@rosskay Circumcision is analogous to amputation of the female clitoral hood, which is illegal in every Western nation.
Circumcision is not done for any health benefit because there aren't any. The primary reasons for circumcision are ritual, appearance and in the US, conformity to a cultural idea of what a penis should look like. The circumcision rate in the US has dropped from the peak of 90% in the 1960's to 33% in 2009. In Australia and the UK, it is approaching 0%.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt I never claimed their were actual health benefits behind it. I said the purpose behind it, the mentality and "reasoning"
and on the contrary, it does not cause infection usually for men, but it does for women. In heterosexual relationships where the male is not circumcized are higher incidences of UTI's in the woman as well as bv.
rosskay 1 year ago
@rosskay
typical female reasoning: the genitals of infant males should be mutilated so as to decrease incidence of UT infections in females. lets square that with the "reasoning" of the barbaric nations that engage in female genital mutilations: they purport to remove the clit from females to ensure greater fidelity between married heterosexual partners, for the benefit of men. can anyone explain the difference in either of these vile rationalities to me?
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman me stating a fact does not reflect my stances of beliefs or rationale. If you choose to misinterpret and misrepresent me and make up stuff I did not say to feel good like you are winning an (imaginary) argument, by all means, argue with yourself, lol.
rosskay 1 year ago
@rosskay
then simply say that every person must take responsibility for their own mistakes, including "your friend", male or female, and that that isnt what you meant, and that that isnt your belief and you will have my immediate apology.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
"typical female reasoning" <-- sexist and untrue, there is no typical female reasoning. I am against circumcision if it's not necessary.. male or female, me and rosskay disagree - we are both women. There is nothing typical to what we are saying.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i agree. there is no typical female reasoning. in fact, i would make the case that it is simply not present at all in many women. i have only my personal experience to go on.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
Would you therefore argue that despite my discussing your points and looking for evidence to back my points up.. I have no reasoning?
What I meant (and I'm sure you knew what I meant anyway) was that there is no such thing as a 'typical' woman - I believe things you consider a typical woman to be are stereotypes, perhaps based in experiences that you may have had, but that shows that you may have narrow experiences with women.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i am amused that you begin your assesment with a criticism of my (admitted) generalization, and end your "argument" by making a generalization regarding my experience with women, in effect echoing your own hypocricy and bias.
which ironically only serves as further evidence to prove my original subjective claim.
you at least have a good grasp on circular logic. but yes i believe your own statement shows how far from reasoning you still are.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
The word perhaps is more of a musing than an iron clad statement. I would hardly call it hypocrisy and bias - but it's easy to attack the person making an argument isn't it..
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i dont know, is it? i have only made the claim (and admitted that it was a claim only based on my subjective experience, not fact) that you only persist on continuing to prove with your own statements.
you are the one that decided to "attack the person" by suggesting my experience with women was limited.
as i've already said though a woman making an unqualified irrational claim is perfectly in line with my experience.
(yawn) "typical" is the word i choose to describe you.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
That's interesting because I would describe you as a typical misogynist. However I don't consider implying you have less experience with women as a personal attack - if anything it's a small excuse for your opinions which I consider to be quite volatile.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i would also assert that although you and rosskay disagree, rosskays opinion is the dominant of the two, as is the subject of this vid is indicative of a more general view at odds with your personal one.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
I don't think male circumcision being moral is a dominant viewpoint within feminists. I could be wrong I haven't done the research. The fact that we disagree shows that not all feminists have the same views and not all feminists argue in the same way.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i made no claim to morality. my claim was the implied "usefulness" of circumcision as it was alleged, not for the male thats being circumcised, but for the female, the implication being that bodily mutilation of one person could be justified if it benefited another human being in some scientific way. this was my interpretation of the claim.
i think most people in the west mutilate males for the same reasons females are mutilated: thoughtless useless traditional practice.
knowthingman 1 year ago
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@knowthingman
In the subject of mutilation - at least we agree on one thing.
Seranella 1 year ago
@knowthingman
So we agree on this? It's nice to know. However I never claimed that you made a claim to morality.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
you said: "i dont think male circumcision being moral is a dominant viewpoint within feminists"
i took that to mean that you were disagreeing/responding to something you thought i said or implied. if not, why even bring up morality?
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
You misunderstood what I meant - the word 'moral' was just to describe the differences between mine and the other posters' views, even though we are both feminists,
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
ah, i just thought that since that comment was directed @ me i had something to do with it lol.
the bottom line on this subject for never had anything to do with circumcision. its that, for perhaps the first time in history, men in the western world have less rights than women, and are being systematically fucked much like women were in the past, yet the feminist lobby machine continues to make noise for no other reason than to get more money.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
I disagree - I am fully in support of movements such as "fathers for justics" and am very interested in situations where men are "systematically fucked" to put it in your words :P. Less media and charity surrounding testicular cancer than breast cancer for example? But DV is an issue which does harm majoritarily women and needs to be dealt with more legally than it is now.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella "Less media and charity surrounding testicular cancer than breast cancer for example?"
Testicular cancer is rare. Prostate cancer kills men at the same rate as breast cancer kills women.
There is no media coverage on the quality of male life and the lower male life expectancy. If women lived five fewer years as do men, TV would be blaring that message of social inequity every day.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
There's no evidence to your last claim. Please don't nitpick which types of male cancers I was providing an example. I used testicular cancer because people close to me have had experiences with it.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
well most research indicates that women are infact instigators/perps in 42% of DV cases, yet this is ignored, and women continue to be treated universally as victims and men as victimizers. im sick of it. the reason DV persists is twofold:
women are emboldened to abuse knowing even if its their fault if the cops show up the guys going to jail,
and
the industries "fighting" DV dont want to fix it, they want it to continue so that the flow of money continues.
both sexes betrayed
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
I guess it depends on the country - note I live in the UK and therefore I'm arguing on behalf of evidence from my own country.
Abuse towards women OR men is not their fault. There is always a choice not to be violent.
The industries fighting DV are as far as I know mostly charities and the government. Profit fail.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
oh the UK is even worse than the US. they spend TEN TIMES more on breast cancer than prostate cancer (which effect similar #'s of their respective sexes).
if you dont think that people are getting rich off the inflated and skewed DV "awareness" industry, charities AND non-profits included, then i cant help you. i urge you to look more closely at the politics and grant moneys awarded to these industries by the gov. "fail" is what the gov does best.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
1st paragraph - yes and I agree that this is wrong...
2nd paragraph - admittedly I do not know much about the economics of large charities so you're right on this one. I do not require your help, however because I'm now curious enough to grab a book from my university library and do a bit of research on the matter.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i think thats wonderful. start with the story of Erin Pizzey, the woman that founded the first womens shelter in your country, and what happened to her when she tried to publicize the truth....
i worked for a non-profit for almost 4 yrs.
more people need to be concerned with the truth. not about being right. and not about getting rich off of hate, lies, and misery.
but this is what people do...
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
I'm aware of Erin Pizzey - she seems very strong.
There are things I disagree on and there are things I agree on. In another utube video they were discussing kicking a man out of his house if his wife says "he hit me." I thought that was absolutely ridiculous and agreed with her on the matter.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i was referring specifically to her own account of how feminists and feminist organizations threatened her life, her family, and damaged her property shortly after it was clear she intended to set up mens shelters, and publish research indicating that women commit nearly as much DV as do men, and in fact are more often the abusers of their children more so than fathers.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
I am unaware of the facts based on abuse of children - however my stance on the matter is that DV is wrong regardless of the gender. Rewinding everything and getting back to the topic. Patrick Stewart was discussing his own experiences with DV which is why it may have been female-centric and I doubt there'd be so much backlash on a video where someone discusses DV against their father by their mother.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
i think the victim culture is evident as witnessed by the recent MTV mom beating on her bf on camera, only to be "investigated"
if he had done the same to her on camera, he'd of been taken directly from the set to jail.
double standard?
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
yes
Seranella 1 year ago
@knowthingman
I also find it interesting that I get openly criticised for - not really demanding, but requesting that I pay for my own food/drinks when me and my boyfriend are out. He has no problem with it, not just because of the monetary gain! However people say to me "doesn't that remove the romance?" Well if a romantic relationship relies on a woman getting a free ride then I'll happily miss out.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
people convienently forget that true equality comes in two parts: rights AND responsibilities. if you are given the rights and not the responsibilities, you are in fact only the beneficiary of "privilige". if you are given responsibilities without rights, you are somewhere between a second class citizen and a slave.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
I don't want to make any assumptions here but perhaps what I call feminist you would not call feminist. We seem to agree on more than we first may have assumed? I dislike the term feminist but prefer to use it so people can identify my beliefs which link with feminist beliefs, however the term itself is quite sexist. I prefer for women to be seen at the same level as men and vice versa.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
agreed. i think that makes us "humanists". many women have no idea how much they have been lied to, manipulated, and flattered by organizations and governments for no other reason than the profit of these industries. women get to go on thinking they aren't part of the problem, and these industries get to keep cashing in on a problem that they KNOW isnt going away because they are aware that it isnt being treated properly. i hope women find out, and that it makes em mad as hell.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman It's pretty clear that women don't give a crap about any male health issues as that would divert money from women's health funding. That is Feminism : What is Good for the Woman is good for everyone.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
"it's pretty clear that women don't give a crap about any male health issues"
I'm gonna stop you there. Did I not comment below that I am against circumcision unless it is medically necessary?
Did I not advise the poster to take other measures against UTIs which don't damage male genitals?
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
the issue is bigger than a single point. just because im against female genital mutilation doesn't make me a feminist, in the same way, just because you're against male genital mutilation doesn't make you concerned with overall men's rights, health, etc.
it just means we aren't sadists.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman
Siiiiigh - nonono I mean we both agree that genital mutilation for both genders is not neccessary and is rooted in tradition instead of medical or social benefit. That's it - nothing else. No claims you're a feminist no claim's I'm a masculinist.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella
looks like we agree on 2 things then.
knowthingman 1 year ago
Sorry, Seranella. I missed that part in which you were against circumcision. Somewhere in this thread, you were dropping terms such as misogynist as well as identifying yourself as a Feminist, which is a political philosophy if female supremacy that seeks to advance women primarily at the expense of men.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
I hope you're trolling because you clearly haven't done your research - there are many many forms of feminism, if one believes that women should be advanced further than men then I feel sorry for them, but I do not follow this form of feminism.
Seranella 1 year ago
@Seranella I have studied and read more books on Feminism than a dozen of the Feminists around you. Feminism is a sexist doctrine. When questioned, Feminists say that only the *other* feminists are bad.
Well, if as you say, feminism isn't only about women, would you please list a single source that shows concern for any male issue in its basic feminist platform of issues?
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
You can claim you've read as much literature as you want there's no proving it. Different feminists have different opinions, there is no one feminism.
I consider myself to be a feminist and have discussed with you what male orientated struggles I disagree with.. I think this is enough.
Seranella 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
agreed. however, i dont think we can sincerely fault them for this. should we expect women to care as much or more about men than themselves? should we expect one race to favor the cause of another over its own?
human nature bends towards selfishness and greed. its a sonofabitch, but its the reality we live in. if anyone truly wants equality, the message is clear: they are going to have to get it their damn selves.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@rosskay
I am a feminist. I am against circumcision if it's not necessary.
There are simple measures to prevent UTIs which are not a result of genital mutilation. Peeing after sex and cranberry juice for example.
Seranella 1 year ago
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@rosskay "In heterosexual relationships where the male is not circumcized are higher incidences of UTI's in the woman as well as bv."
Any chance you have a source? We would then expect UTIs to occur much more in the Europe and Japan. The US is the most highly circumcised Western nation on earth. Should it have the nickname "Where no UTI dares to travel?"
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
Videos like this just perpetuate feminist lies about men . Haven't you done enough damage to men and our families ? Stop your campaign of hate against men. Listen to real statistics about violence and see what Erin Pizzey had to say
sizzle75 2 years ago 2
@sizzle75
most feminists dont even know whe she is. even if they did, they wouldnt even listen to her.
knowthingman 1 year ago
Patrick Stewart is the fucking best.
1weerdchik 2 years ago 3
NEW MUSIC VIDEO ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE...if you allow him...check it out
LEMOY121 2 years ago
Although... I would be greatly pleased if a woman who cut off my penis did no time for it. My only goal in life would be to equally remove her ability to procreate and also rob her of her ability to enjoy any sexual activity, just like what occurs when a man's penis is violently removed.
kennit1000 2 years ago
I've researched instances in which a woman has violently removed a man's penis; justified and unjustified instances, the outcome is similar.
If I recall correctly, 9/10 women found guilty, of completely ruining the man's life, did almost no time, if any.
Now imagine for a moment several reported cases of men violently removing both a woman's clitoris and nipples. How much time in prison do you believe each man would do for robbing women of their ability to reproduce and enjoy sexual activity?
kennit1000 2 years ago
I misspoke about the reproductive ability of women, but imagine that removing the clit rendered a woman barren.
kennit1000 2 years ago
He sure rambles on, in this video. Is he attempting to imitate Shatner? lol
I agree that men should be held accountable for domestic violence. Throw the book at them, but treat women the same under the law. Men and women should NOT have different punishment for the same crime.
For instance; a 21yr old woman sleeps with a willing 16yr old boy. She will do very little time, if ANY!
Now imagine if it were a 21yr old man with a willing 16yr old girl? He will do years.
There are other examples.
kennit1000 2 years ago 4
The double standard is appalling and until that issue is taken care of, it's difficult for my heart to bleed over feminists who supposedly want more rights than men.
I would be quicker to support feminism if it were pushing for gender equality rather than merely shifting the balance of power from one to the other.
kennit1000 2 years ago
Can you point to any examples? Plenty of women are incarcerated as sex offenders, you know.
analogy6 2 years ago
That's true, but they very rarely do near the amount of time as a man convicted of the exact same crime.
kennit1000 2 years ago
Can you show some examples?
analogy6 2 years ago
The better question is, show me some examples of women doing the same time as men for the exact same crime. I can guarantee your examples will be more difficult to find than what you're requesting of me.
tl;dr version: Google your ass off.
kennit1000 2 years ago
Women are less likely to be violent offenders. So the rate/duration of incarceration will be lower. Generally, women use coercion and manipulation which are less dangerous than force and intimidation.
So, the same crime committed in different ways has a different outcome.
It is not a "crime of passion". Abusers do a cold, calculating application of violence, followed by remorse to pull the victim back, and then it starts again.
If the offender is male/female it should be irrelevant.
RobotTed 2 years ago
"Women are less likely to be violent offenders. So the rate/duration of incarceration will be lower. Generally, women use coercion and manipulation which are less dangerous than force and intimidation."
I wasn't referring to different methods of a similar crime, but the EXACT crime with the EXACT violence. Women do much less time than men do for that EXACT same crime.
"If the offender is male/female it should be irrelevant."
Agreed, but the current court system disagrees with us.
kennit1000 2 years ago
The trouble begins with the details, I think. Intercourse is probably the most frowned upon action, since disease/pregnancy can result from it, while other forms of sexual assault are deemed "lesser offense".
Can a male unwillingly enter intercourse? The only case I know of is when someone was tied down and force fed viagra (in england or russia, I think).
So that's one case vs thousands of males assaulting females. Also, females usually suffer more when assaulted. How can the law be equal?
RobotTed 2 years ago
What does this have to do with genital mutilation as a result of a psycho ex-girlfriend cutting off a man's penis out of jealousy? Or were you replying to a different comment?
kennit1000 2 years ago
My argument is that motive counts, and will be different for men and women... usually. Neither one of us is in the courtroom and have all the details. Is a jury/judge swayed by a crying guilty woman more than a crying guilty man? Maybe. But culture is a tricky variable. In many countries, genital mutilation of girls, but not boys, is encouraged. Mutilating a man in those countries will be perceived as more serious than that of a woman, by default.
The offender would then get a heavier sentence.
RobotTed 2 years ago
"In many countries, genital mutilation of girls, but not boys, is encouraged. Mutilating a man in those countries will be perceived as more serious than that of a woman, by default.
The offender would then get a heavier sentence."
That is unjust to punish men less for the same crime, just as it's unjust to punish a woman less for the same crime.
kennit1000 2 years ago
But what feels like justice to most of them is that the offender with a male victim receive a harsher sentence.
I think everyone who thinks about this seriously agrees that the same crimes, committed in the same ways, with the same intents, should receive the same sentences, no matter who the victims. We all want justice to be blind and everyone equal...
But perfect congruency is uncommon, even in more usual crimes. The jury/judge has to rely on personal instinct in some way. It's not perfect
RobotTed 2 years ago
It's laughably far from perfect and that's my point. Lady Justice is surely weeping underneath her blindfold at the mere thought of our mediocre system.
kennit1000 2 years ago
I guess my point would be that the system is a perfect as it can be given the murky area of whether men and women are equal or equivalent.
Men are less likely to be victims, but, from what I've read during this discussion, it's still very high, and very probably unreported. One stat that won't be blurred:
From wikipedia:
1 man every 14 days is killed in France by conjugal violence, and 1 women every 2 days.
So for a given murder, it's a 12.5% chance that a man died vs 87.5% that a woman did.
RobotTed 2 years ago
The rate at which men abuse women vs the rate at which women abuse men physically, should have no bearing on the sentence awarded to a woman or man who commits a violent crime. The individual should never be held responsible for the actions of the differing majority.
kennit1000 2 years ago
I was going to argue that the proportions of verifiable rates gives a good idea of the unreported rates of abuse, which is relevant to the culture of violence which tolerates discrimination.
But I don't think I've got the energy to keep going! ☺
RobotTed 2 years ago
@RobotTed "1 man every 14 days is killed in France by conjugal violence, and 1 women every 2 days."
In the US, that is two women a day and one man a day. Though, women that hire a contract killer are included in "multiple assailant" murders and thus counted at lower rates.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@feministsAreCorrupt
I'd like the statistics on hired assassin usage please :)
Seranella 1 year ago
Starts with one, educating. I grew up in it, married it. Victim, I now say was! It stays with you. Diligent wanting and working to change patterns and worth. Reality is, most don't want to, they identify with the wounds. Its easier, they know it well. Government cannot help that. I worked in good programs. I am rare, I dug deep exposing mindsets. No quick fixes
Smile at a child, showing theres cool people too. Never know what they go home to! Yes, it helps!
4moonbow 2 years ago 2
yeah, so I basically want him to read me a story every night. He could read me the sript to Schindler's List and I would sleep happily.
shatteredpelvis 2 years ago 2
no hard feeling with a joke in space patrick am i right?
BEG4MPG 2 years ago
space needs huo patrick
go
just go
BEG4MPG 2 years ago
Its time to hold these monsters accountable.
Thank you Mr. Stewart
LewyDawg3rd 2 years ago 3
How sad that this man should allow himself to be used as a hate weapon against men without even realising it. The domestic violence industry is just that. An industry. It has nothing to do with the subject itself, otherwise, the man haters who control the refuge movement worldwide, would acknowledge that domestic violence against men is just as serious and that most domestic violence against children is committed by the natural mother. Search for refuge founder Erin Pizzey's take on these liars
Maxshard 3 years ago
I have had to stop fights where men were going to hurt the women. The women always go back. The men don't get them, they go back willingly, because people are fucked up, and this is all complete bullshit.
I'd like to see more government intervention in the sex trade where women and children are being exploited or treated as slaves... other than that, women have to take care of themselves and men need to get therapy.
KoroOutbreak 3 years ago
For once an actor I like turns out to not be a fucking monster. Cool.
LordBinky2 3 years ago 4
Patrick Stewart fucking owns!
madlabsrobot 3 years ago 7
I wish Patrick Stewart would narrate my life.
CrowsTurnOff 3 years ago 13