Dangerous Incorrect Built Patio Deck Found by Home Inspector Nashville.wmv

[Soundgarden8497]

next time talk even quieter

[localcrew]

Shoulda used bigger bolts. Nah -- not really. I would have rested it on a notch too. All is not lost, however. I'd bolt a pair of support blocks to the post beneath the 2X12s with some hot-dipped galvanized carriage bolts. That would hold a multitude of fat chicks on that deck. Problem solved. You're welcome.

[Buzard9696]

@localcrew He said 'fat chicks' nice :)~

[dogsbulloxs]

what is that a cattle prod ?

[SAWimp1]

Those bolts most certainly do have enough shear strength to support more load than most people will ever put on that deck, they will also outlive the framing of that deck. The 2x12 will fail long before the bolts will.

[wingmanalive]

The shear value of those bolts may very well be sufficient and it appears to also bear on yet another ledger in the front. Plus the vid doesn't show the span of the carried joists. Being a home inspector involves taking a course. Being an engineer requires a degree. Please don't confuse the two. Ideal framing? No. If an engineer says it will do than how can you argue? There are a lot of unanswered questions in this video to simply say it "fails".

[bobcougar77]

The bolted beam connection is not a preferred method of supporting a beam. But it is NOT illegal or even necessarily wrong. The allowed load on this type of beam is reduced. But if you'll notice it's only spanning about 4 feet. So it's is most likely a perfectly acceptable beam for that deck. You may have been mistaken to point it out as a deficiency.

[philippestrapko1]

holy shit i think we have bigger problems in this world......

[FlashmoreGash]

Amen!

[qwertyqwertyman]

this is a big issue. check out the hyatt regency walkway failure for an example of improper loading.

[kalijasin]

Let me add too, that the bolts do not appear to be galvanized or stainless steel. They will eventually rust right off.

[MrThehammer3]

In my opinion after 20 years of building decks, the best and securest way to install a beam to post would be to rest beam upon post with the appropriate sized Simpson post to beam connector. (All brackets would be hot dipped galvanized for contact with ACQ or treated lumber, as well as all nails, screws etc.) Footings should also have brackets set into footing for post to rest upon( not a post straight into concrete like a fence post is normally set)carriage bolts through post is only fix here!

[lewisbrand]

The only thing wrong with this is the shoddy workmanship, the bolts should be longer with enough thread for a nut and washer.

[dannyabq1]

You can simply add a 2x6 on each side of the upright post directly under the cross beams. This way the cross beams can rest right on top of the 2x6's... which can then be bolted all the way through the upright post. EASY FIX. Thank you for sharing.. great video!

[tomx63]

@dannyabq1 yes, this was the first thing i thought of when i saw the cross beams with nothing but the bolts. a coule of 2x6's acting as cleats under the cross beams is a good quick fix for this. will it pass code is another question.

[JameyMoylan]

Deck beams should not be installed this way. Always double up and notch!!!

[TheMakyato]

i dont know how you can stand to this loud sound of the clip

[kuzumisama]

Wow, I have never heard of a place with code requirements like that. The shear strength of those bolts is certainly more than the load carrying capacity of that post so wtf? Maybe its a monster deck? There should be washers on those bolts and there should be 3 in a triangle though.

[lewisbrand]

This article is just plain incorrect. I am a building inspector in the U.K, and without any loading figures quoted, there is no way you can summize that this decking is not supported correctly. In fact, the type of, and method of fixing used here are very commonly used in construction.

[BlessdGeek]

American wood council requires beams to be supported on top of portion of post that goes all the way down to the concrete pier support.

If this is incorrect, tell that to AWC.

[MrThehammer3]

@BlessdGeek maybe they know a lil something about this huh.

ya think!

[9057979]

Dont believe it, how about some numbers, each post has two on front beam and two on back beam and the floor joist is probably also nailed to the post.

[jamiemenuez]

the fact that it has worked for 14 years should tell u something.

The bolts act as a clamp, so you also have the friction between the pieces in addition to the bolts strength.

No engineer would calculate the sheer strenght of a ledge notched into a post, wood grain and types vary too much.

[bobmcalister]

well....dont know the code in your area , if that is a requirement to have the notched support is one thing, if YOU are not a 'qualified professional' what are you doing ? Thing to do first is to check out the sheer strength of the bolts..and load capacity of the supports. bet that cost the home owner a sale...maybe not.

I know you are doing the best you can do , yet it is more important to consider all the factors before you go into the house and scare the home owner.

[gpwnedable]

Huh?

[HomeEnergyNow]

Have you calculated the sheer strength to know for sure if what you are saying is pure BS. I doubt it! That house was what 14 years old? You are allowed to use bolts WTF do you think you use to mount it to a house? Does the rim against the house sit on anything? Thats what I thought.

[platteriver33]

Speak into the microphone!



[JBilosophy]

Wow. I'm going to go look at my deck right now. I did not know this.

[jobaecker]

Good catch. That correction could literally save a life. I suppose it's not code to use a 1" or 3/4" threaded rod and go all the way through the post (fastened with nuts on both ends)? I can't recall ever seeing a deck with the wood notched as you mentioned.

[irish89055]

@jobaecker didn't need the annoying music.... I've seen decks done with the notched posts... those bolts seem small, if there were three going through of a larger size may be ok... I like the notched posts with bolts.. but the homeenergy post above is also correct... what do you think holds the deck to the house? or say a post on the corner as decks used to be done.. there you need the lag screw or carriage bolt of the correct size... the building inspector should have signed off on it....