@ProtoformX Faith isn't scary. Zelotry is scary. Murder in the name of a deity is scary. Bigotry is scary. People trying to force their beliefs on others is scary, not to mention really annoying. Should I go on or are you getting what I'm driving at?
ok, but you'll be sorry... for alot longer than you ever will live. atheists may have higher IQs (mine is 120ish...) and live longer but even christians can see that ever effect has a cause, and no honest scientist (read atheist) will say that they could either prove the initial creative even ot disprove the existence of God, christian or otherwise. since not all atheists are experts they must necessarily have faith in the people who practice the art of science.
@cwross1976 So you're basically saying that all scientists are atheist?
Oh how wrong you are.
And PERHAPS we'll be sorry for alot longer than we will ever live (read: eternity), but all that hinges on you being correct, to which you have NOTHING to show for but a book in the quality that others have as well, which basically makes the one you have worthless.
And we have faith because science has proven to be right time and time again. Science got us to the moon. Faith did not.
I am guided by strong personal morals. I don't need a religion to tell me what's right and wrong. Some people might, but all of the atheists I know are very ethical and caring. If I were dying, I would care more about what will happen when I'm gone to my friends and family, my possessions, and the things I might miss in the future (like seeing the human race become personally responsible, without needing religion), not if I've been right or wrong all my life.
@lrossi888 i get tired of this defensive posture we atheists are still in as in HOW we have morals minus religion... push the other way, WE ARE MORE MORAL... atheists have much lower crime rates than theists...
@glorp896 That difference is a lot less dramatic when you consider that we atheists are a minority in many parts of the world. A better example might be the positive correlation between education levels and atheism, though that too can be explained by the fact that leftist political stances are correlated with both minorities and education level. One other thing you should know before using that line of reasoning in an argument is that it is considered an Argument By Authority.
@SteelFyire there is no better argument than argument by authority, as most all of us are not experts in any field we must rely on peer review journals which i plug all the time... i'm just a google searching errand boy appealing to authority, better than appealing to the religious... to go beyond the simple correlation i calculated would be atheists are more educated, higher IQ, longer lived, etc... really IQ is the single best central correlate for all the other goods of man...
@glorp896 I agree for the most part, but must point out that the simple statistic of "60% of scientists are atheists" is not a very solid argument. It would be far better to examine the religious beliefs of the scientists in specific fields who would be most qualified to judge whether there is or is not a God. The debate over which disciplines of science are qualified to make that judgement could go on for a long time.
@SteelFy of course, any single stat statement is never enough, there are always more variables and questions to trump supposed conclusions. 93% of our top 2000+ scientists in THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES is a much better single stat argument if one need to used. the harder the science the more the mental work ethic required to DO the science the higher the level of atheism - from soft (sociology for example) to hard (physics, math, biology). with disproving god u better be interdisciplinary!
@shandcunt Oh Really!? You were there in the 24th century when Picard responded to Rick Warren's quote from more than 300 years ago? So we're you simultaneously in both times or are you commenting on a youtube video from the future?
@MajorTom310 Yes, I always existed in every place in time and space, I AM GOD!!!!! and for some reason i have nothign better to do than comment on youtube....God gets bored and lonely too....
@Scyrone People like you proclaim to be tollerant and open-minded, yet your kind practically wage war against religion and make great attempts to bring ill feelings to anyone with any kind of faith. Seriously, don't you have anything better to do than comparing one's beliefe in God to feces?
I like "Star Trek: The Next Generation," Picard is my favorite character. However, I never liked how the show looked down on religion and portrayed people as backwards for believing in God.
@Frost3784 They never portrayed religion as backwards. Religion to humans in the 24th Century is nothing, humans moved on from believing there's a magic man that created the universe, because their understanding of life and the universe is millions of times better than our current knowledge. Take DS9 for example. The religious Bajorans under Kai Winn blew up Keiko's schoolhouse because she didn't teach their religious views, just scientific facts. That's very much what religion is like now.
@lrossi888 You said that ST:TNG never portrayed religion as backwards. Then you make references to "moving on from believing" and a "magic man that created the universe." Is it backwards or is it not? In regards to religion on DS9, you missed the point. The show was using the Bajorans to show that religion can bring harmonay to a world; but there will always be those who manipulate it to serve their own purposes. Kai Winn didn't care about the prophets, she just wanted political power.
@Frost3784 I understand the point, Frost. I think you missed my point. To humans, the idea of religion isn't backwards, since obviously they once believed in a God. But events that brought humans to forming a Federation and exploring space and understanding other species and understanding things about the creation of life and the universe, enlightened them. Religion is really nothing more than an attempt to explain how we came to be and try to justify our existence.
@lrossi888 If religion is a mere attempt to explain and justify our origins and existance and "enlightenment" ends the need for religion, then it would be correct to call it backwards. "Star Trek's" portrayal of religion and faith ultimately extinguish by the 24th century is utterly stupid. Ideaologies that have survived for thousands upon thousands of years won't snuff out in four centuries just because we met some space aliens.
Science has seemed to disprove Greek Gods. Lightning is caused by static electricity, not because Zeus is angry with us. The sun goes away because the Earth rotates on an axis away from the light. Not Apollo's chariot.
There's yet to be a dire argument against Christianity, which people are skeptic to whether if praying works or if we're in a delusional circle, when it's hard to disprove that it's about the improvement of one's life.
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe A magic man that created everything 6000 years ago? There's very little that makes sense in the Christian bible or any other religious text for that matter. I agree that when religious faith is used to better yourself, it's fine. But too much is religion used for malice, hate, fearmongering, greed, and just about anything else you can conceive of.
I have no comment on the book of Genesis or in Darwinism terms the Big Bang Theory.
I don't like to use my religion to force views on others and condemn them to Hell if they don't repent their sins, follow Jesus or other shit like that.
Like I said, I use my religion for the betterment of myself and others around me. This includes my 2 mission trips to Mexico, 1 to Georgia, and another to a broken Indian Reservation. No conversions here. We don't force, we wait for the willing
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe Science has also proven that crops grow or not based on weather patterns, not because god is mad; we get sick because of germs, not because god is mad; and the universe was formed because of physical and chemical reactions, not because god said so. I'm not attacking you. I'm only saying that you have a weak argument.
@MyGrammarRules Not that I'm disagreeing with your beliefs, but this argument is itself weak. Perhaps the weather, germs and those physical and chemical reactions were created by God. Perhaps not, but faith in something greater than what we can observe is no more a leap than presuming that what we observe is all there is.
@NathanielEverist You've missed the point. My comment was meant to show how a belief in a higher power can lead to ignorance. When one fails to seek out the reason behind an event, blaming it on a god, progress ceases. Faith in something greater than what we can observe is an enormous leap, but I do not believe that we have observed everything, and I do believe that the pursuit of knowledge is a more worthwhile cause than blind faith, as these ideas are in direct opposition to one another.
@MyGrammarRules I understood the point, I just think you've got a very narrow perception of what "God" is. Whatever you argue, "God as cause" can always be argued one step further. Example, "The universe is created from chemical reactions, not God", can be countered with "Perhaps God created those Chemicals, or the laws that determine the reactions". The conclusion "I don't know if there is a God or not" is logically acceptable, saying "There is no God", is arrogant and narrow-minded.
@NathanielEverist Perhaps is such a nice word, isn't it? You can sprinkle it on anything and it makes you right by default. Perhaps the universe was created by a unicorn. Perhaps there are fairies in my garden. Perhaps your god will fly down on his little cloud and reveal himself to the entirety of the world...perhaps not. I refuse to base my life around an archaic book as morally depraved as the Bible. If we look at objective evidence, there is no god. There's nothing arrogant about that.
@MyGrammarRules well played, i'm so sick of this religious rhetoric I hear people spout. You have to be exceedingly ignorant or delusional to believe any "holy text" was divinely inspired. Anyone who's actually read them knows they are full of hateful, fear mongering bullshit and many advocate the execution or forcible conversion of "non-believers".
Ya it sucks that you'll be dead much much longer than you have ever lived. That doesn't justify believing in fairy tales and persecuting others.
@MyGrammarRules Where does your authority to proclaim what is moral come from? Given your vulgar expressions on beliefs I don't sense any authority in you whatsoever.
@Dhari1 What have I said that was vulgar? My "authority to proclaim what is moral" comes from my ability to discern what is and is not morally acceptable in our society.
@Calriec God sends two bears to maul to death 42 children for calling a bald man bald. - II Kings 2 God kills every single thing on Earth (save two of everything plus Noah's family) because he grew tired what he had created. - Genesis 6-9 Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead ordered by God. Judges 21:10-24 God's rules for obtaining slaves. Leviticus 25:44-46 God commands his followers to stone to death disobedient children. Proverbs 20:20 and all non-believers. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
@MyGrammarRules and with that is God really trying to get us all into heaven to join him, because it seems to me like he's doing a very good self-danming job of getting his own ass into hell....
@ChristopherJacques Seeing as that amoeba lack a brain with which they may formulate thought, as they are single celled organisms after all, I find it rather impossible to imagine that one would say anything to the next. Ground yourself in reality, friend; it's so nice in here!
@lrossi888 There's actually quite a few religions of that nature still around...obviously not so much in the Western world or in more developed countries.
Frost, religion is backwards and the federation is a result of NOT being religious -- roddenberry did a helluva job of extinguishing religion in the 24th century; was their one moslem, xian or jew on board (religious of course)... your last line is true, BUT IT WILL BE A PROFOUND EFFECT, maybe far more powerful in destroying religion than we realize; i can only HOPE SO! - ONLY THE MOST STUPID PROVINCIAL AND SELFISHLY GUARDED NARROW MINDS WILL MAINTAIN THAT THEIR GOD IS THE ONE AFTER 1ST CONTACT
@Frost3784 Take Jake Sisko's comment about the Bajorans. He said in front of his father that he thinks it's stupid that the Bajorans think of the "wormhole aliens" as Gods or Prophets. His father responds quickly and explains that it's not stupid, it's their faith. Nothing in the Star Trek universe leads me to believe they look down on religion, but they do look down on the wackos (like the Bajorans that blew up the school house).
@lrossi888 Bravo, well said. Let people believe what they want to believe so long as it does not damage society. While there can only be one true way, whatever that way be; one ultimately has to realize that what we believe has to be our own choice and not the choice of another. I'm a Christian, so for me... Christ is the only path to God and salvation. I have a friend who is Pagan. She believes that when you die, you simply die. I believe I am right, she believes she is right.
@lrossi888 i guess you don't know roddenberry... the bajorans were not a great example anyway, they had some REAL "prophets" and orb and all, xians have 66 books and no super duper dimensional beings at present to guide them with visions... just your local palm reader and faith healer?
i'll message you a link, a most enlightening link as to STAR TREK (RODDENBERRY) MAKING RELIGION LOOK BAD
@glorp896 Religion looks bad enough on its own often enough. It doesn't take someone with adequate mental capacity to realize how silly deism generally is.
@lrossi888 i can't say anything looks bad enough on its own, it always needs some comparison and obviously it is the far more down to earth honesty of science that is to compare to religion... (oh wait, i should say Down to Universe in a more star trek sentiment)... theism is silly, deism is less silly (at least deism is a kind of concession of atheism for the here and now as god seems to be hiding and only wound up the clock - it doesn't assume constant god interaction...
I've always firmly believed that it is, in reality, the atheists that are operating on the lower end of the intellectual spectrum. For one to believe that all of existence, with all it's complexities, is a giant cosmic or dimensional accident, something that "just happened for no reason in particular" is truly the absolute maxima of ignorance and stupidity. Psychologically, a belief in atheism can usually be traced to a simple fear of the possibility of their being a god.
@TechNoir24 "Psychologically, a belief in atheism can usually be traced to a simple fear of the possibility of their [sic] being a god." 1. Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of a belief. 2. The rest of this claim sounds like hearsay, or outright fiction. Where's the research on all of these god-fearing atheists?
Or, a fear in what one's closest associates would believe about them if they told them they believed in God, or, a desire to place oneself in their eyes and the eyes of some others as superior to all those ignorant religious folks, but I would say this belief mainly follows from seeing the existence of God as an inconvienence. If there's a God, then there's an entity that is infinitely more powerful and wise than any human being could ever possibly be.
And if this is the case, then I might have to be accountable to this being. Atheists, in general, don't like this idea because it raises the question of guilt and responsibility for one's actions. The very idea of God truly existing scares them, very badly, and so an endless stream of justistifications and reasoning will be put out in order to justify that belief, because it is necessary for the maintenance of their psyche, which has been conditioned to pursue self-interest alone
@TechNoir24 I'm an atheist, and it isn't because I'm scared of the idea of a God. That makes no sense, and any atheist will tell you that. I'm an atheist because I am not arrogant enough to think that there is a higher power that loves me, and because I'm not arrogant enough to think that I KNOW what will happen to me when I die. You don't know, nobody does, and to say that you do (which is the very basis of religion) is just dead wrong.
There is a huge gap in reasoning where one comes to assume that, simply because there is a God, this God has an interest in any of our deeds whatsoever.
If we have anything to fear from God it would be that God might be an unrighteous tyrant, but there is no proof of such, nor is there necessarily proof that this God is the God of the Bible.
Atheists are NOT nihilists. Atheists have their own individual moral beliefs. It's unfair to label them all as self-serving.
@TechNoir24 as an atheist and feeling more alone you are more in touch with the rest of humanity, as they are all you can count on... if god is going to save you that what care would or should you have for the rest of humanity? only in as much as it can be a gauge for god to save you or not?, as in how well you treated the rest of humanity? or are you one that thinks salvation is not at all a measure of good works? i'm more afraid god doesn't exist than their being one to save me...
@TechNoir24 i don't at all "practice" atheism as some form of self-interest, i think self interest is FAR MORE born of a sense of eternal entitlement through salvation... i don't feel immortal at all, i'm guessing my nonexistence awaits, thats hardly self-interest - living as long as i can with this idea would compel me to live a far more moral life, like being a vegan for instance - the fear of nonexistence is a greater impetus for morality than thinking you must be moral to be in heaven...
@glorp896 They were as much like Gods as the Goa'uld are in Stargate. They aren't real "Gods", but rather powerful aliens. The difference being the "wormhole aliens" are non-corporeal and appear to live in a different plane of existence.
@lrossi888 yes, they don't understand our linear time line 4 dimensional limitations - it was kind of an interesting play as they tried to connect these two kinds of thinking... ultimately i think it may be a matter of thinking at the speed of light to understand such an existence - people talk of this in the after life, as in near death experiences, they explain a kind of eternity and a kind of instaneity (explained well in ART AND PHYSICS by leonard schlain
@Frost3784 that was hardly a religion without a "god", the "prophets" really were something (wormhole aliens)... so at least their "religion" had some substance, if only weirdo timeless other dimensional beings... so in a sense it was more "down to earth/Bajor" - at least a wormhole away...
@lrossi888 of course they did, MANY TIMES... you site a great example, that evil wicked power hungry religious zealot nazi bitch... DEVIL'S DUE comes to mind, and then you see the wizard of oz behind the curtain, just an ET playing games with the less techno powerful and superstitious.. do you ever see a single major cast member pray? its even just by default a communication that religion is backwards as well as it is so constantly bypassed and ignored... when in deep space, which god?
@Frost3784 gene roddenberry was an atheist, and because i am as well i loved his "tone" and making the believers look stupid, but it was subtle and careful at times as well... gotta respect that diversity out there in the universe, right gene? that PRIME DIRECTIVE includes not teaching the stupid savage natives that their god is folly
@Scyrone@mbturner625 "The propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained."
George Washington, First Inaugural Address, April 30, 1789
@Scyrone - except that the USA was started by Christians, so your statement is backwards. It's because the USA is quickly moving away from God that it's closer to falling.
@HarmonicWave "We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." - Thomas Jefferson
@mbturner625 "I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you... in his holy protection... to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another... and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion..."
George Washington, circular letter of farewell to the Army, June 8, 1783
@HarmonicWave Legally, we are not a christian nation. See Treaty of Tripoli 1796, article 11, which clearly states we are not a christian nation other than we happen to have christians in our nation.
@MrLawrenceV I would never claim that we are officially a Christian nation, for it was the establishment of one official state religion that the founders were trying to get away from (i.e. if your religion is different then what the government decides is the right one, you're in trouble with the government); I simply intend to point out that most of the founding fathers were men who believed in and relied upon God and the Bible. I would post links, but it doesn't seem to let me here.
@HarmonicWave Yes, some of them were men of god and the bible. It explains why slavery was kept in, and why women weren't allowed equal rights. Both very bible like things.
I'm glad my eyes were opened to how great some of these bible ideas are. We need to go back to the good old days.
@MrLawrenceV Jesus spoke to woman who were not usually spoken to by the culture, and the first people who witnessed Him after He rose from the dead were woman. Men and woman are equal, but created for different roles and functions. Husbands are to love and serve their wives and even die for them. The Bible describes many things about the cultures of the times in which it was written, that doesn't mean it approves of them. The word slave often means servant, and they were to be treated well.
@HarmonicWave Arguments based around euphemisms amuse me to no end. Created for different roles. How nice. That almost sounds like it's not sexist. Almost.
And the thing you said about slaves is so ludicrous I'm going to assume that you're trolling. Almost by definition, slaves are not treated well, that's why they're slaves and not employees. And the bible clearly states that you can rape women in war if you marry them afterwards. Sex slaves. How loving.
@MrLawrenceV My apologies, but I don't have the time to go back and forth with someone who is obviously not open to understanding the Bible, and I don't have room in these comment boxes to provide all of the background to my statements. Arguing details will not get either of us anywhere or help us learn anything useful. I know the truth, and if you want to keep coming up with reasons to reject God and the Bible then you are free to do so. He will not force you to change and neither will I.
@HarmonicWave No, I understand the bible just fine. I'm not open to changing the interpretations to make it look like your god doesn't support a host of the most evil institutions ever dreamt of in the minds of the criminally insane.
The fact that the fairy tale you were fed in sunday school doesn't match up with the stuff that's really in the bible doesn't mean the dark stuff isn't in there. Closing your eyes doesn't make it go away.
Picard needs to give a response to addvoc8. (Check out the vids where Patrick Stewart speaks for Amnesty International and you'll learn who this prick is.)
@JWolf56 I love Rick Warren, thought it was fine that he led the country in prayer, and still laughed my butt of at this too. Rick Warren would probably even laugh! He is a funny guy with an excellent sense of humor! Most people won't look past the media to see that, sadly.
@crazysingingchick Yeah, like when he did his best to talk the Ugandan government into carrying out genocide against suspected homosexuals. He's a barrel of laughs!
@NotQuiteRight Yeah, like when you didn't do your homework and didn't know that he actually didn't approve of that anti-gay bill in Uganda. You're a barrel of laughs. Go look it up... other ministers tried to make Warren apologize for issuing a statement against the bill.
GJ, that was actually pretty funny. It is also remarkable how much passion everyone has based on 5 seconds of video. As this is the 900th or so religious debate I have stumbled across online, I observe this: Religious debates rarely, extremely rarely, stir the currents of conversion, to either camp. I have never seen it happen once. Opinion is fleeting, and belief is emotionally tied to identity, so no fact, no matter how well presented, can truly shift it. Belief is shifted by something..else.
And yet, it happens. You just don't see it happen because we are proud creatures, and will not reverse our opinions on the spot, under pressure. It's long after the debate, having angrily researched the matter in order to be better equipped next time, that the religious discover they were mistaken.
After all, where do you think atheists come from? Perhaps in another generation they'll have been raised by atheist parents, but for the most part they are former theists.
Y'know I thought like that once, but I spent years looking for the right answer and I only found more evidence to back up the Christian's viewpoint. Theories that are still in text books have been proven false for over 50 years. Do you remember the Miller Theory about how certain gases formed the basis for life on Earth? Proven false in the 1950s. Christianity will never fade away, where there is one whose faith is strong and has the facts to back it up, ignorance like I had will fail.
@ninjawraith17 So all the other theories that destroy Christianity don't matter? Just because Abiogenesis cannot be demonstrated, you'd rather say: "God did it!" and sit on your ass and pray. Our lack of an explanation is no better than yours.
Roll up your sleeves, boy, and work for your answers.
@pdblouin33 Provide examples of theories that destroy Christianity, please. And how exactly does a theory (aka speculation or guess) "destroy" anything? We're basing "fact" on hypotheses, now?
@crazysingingchick Theories are not speculations or guesses. Theories are guesses that have proven correct. Theories started out as hypotheses, which are speculations and guesses. Those hypotheses were put to the test of the scientific method, published in scholarly journals, the results were replicated by the publisher's peers, and then, and only then, did the guess become a theory. One example would be the Theory of Relativity.
@MyGrammarRules You are clearly unaware that some words can have multiple meanings. Your grammar may be great, but you should learn what a synonym is. In the same comment she used the word you're assuming (how ironic that you criticise other's faith in God) she used incorrectly, she said "We're basing 'fact' on hypothesis now?", so your little English lesson is not only arrogant and incorrect, it's also redundant.
@NathanielEverist I am fully aware that words can have two meanings; I did, in fact, pass the fourth grade, and I'm certain of the meaning of synonym. I was merely clarifying the differences between a hypothesis and a theory because she seemed confused about the two, as do you by your implication that theory is a synonym for hypothesis.
@MyGrammarRules I didn't perceive any confusion from anybody but you on the matter. You may understand the meaning of synonym, but you failed to grasp the context in which it was being used. You said "Theories are not speculations or guesses", yet anybody willing to look up the dictionary definition will see that "theory" can indeed mean "4. Abstract reasoning; speculation".
@MyGrammarRules That last comment was the last you will hear from me, as you are clearly so inflated by pride (as is evident from your name) that you cannot admit when you have made an error, regardless of how blatant it is. I have better things to do than argue semantics on youtube, and simply got involved because the arrogance you displayed in combination with your own errors irritated me into teaching you a lesson. However, I see that I may as well be talking to a stone. Have a great day.
@NathanielEverist Please forgive me for failing to realize that she was NOT using "theory" in it's scientific context. It isn't as if they were talking about scientific theories or anything when I mentioned that. *facepalm* Who are you to lecture me on context anyway? You are incorrect in your assumption that my moniker has anything to do with pride. In fact, it is nothing more than word play. Maybe you would have realized that if you really were as smart as you think you are.
it will be brutally murdered, resurrected like jesus, then burned to death again. and again. and again. forever. so we can keep punishing it for all the idiocy that has been committed in its name
@ZeranEmpire You're quite right about the coincidence. The immense difference is that Hitler did not create you, nor was he an ultimate being, deserving of your eternal praise.
If you're going to criticize Christianity, consider the entire system, not just a part. That's the fallacy you committed in that last post.
What did you not get about I bow to no one? No mortal, no god, no devil.
I serve no one. Aid others? yes. Respect others? when they respect me. Serve, bow to, or worship others? no. never.
Not just me. I will see humanity free of such concepts as authority and superiors. All will be equal, and COMPLETELY free. Only then can our advancement and evolution continue, upward unto the stars and infinity.
I disagree. Do we nowadays say "Zeus" with stigma? no, we know Zeus for what he was: an age old fairy tale. Just like the Judeo-christian god will be millenia from now.
People have been irrationally fearing the Judeo-Christian god for millenia as it is. I really hope it doesn't take that long before we collectively smarten up.
@mirabilis My post alludes to sci-fi autor Arthur C.Clark's sequel to his novel 2001, titled 3001, wherein religion is considered to be a relic of the barbaric past, like slavery. Any mention of god is met with embarrassed silence.
It won't happen unless and until we make it happen. Personally, whenever I hear a casual reference to religion spoken as if it is a matter of course that we live in a "Christian" nation, I heap scorn on the speaker in a witty yet politely diapproving manner.
Do you believe making it happen is the right course? If so, how do you propose we go about it?
I personally believe reason and rationality will continually weed out the living gods and put them in the historical cemetary along with the dead gods of eras and cultures of the past.
I agree. I believe that reason will eventually overthrough tribal superstition like it has continually been doing for generations. Just as people no longer believe in vampires, one day people will no longer believe in gods. We will be all the better for it.
I don't think, though, that mention of god will be in bad taste. It will be in curious, interesting historical study, just as the Greek and Roman gods are to us now.
you mean on a 10 point scale you'd give this vid a 10 and dramatic chipmunk only an average 5?
i'd give this something over 8 and dramatic chipmunk something over the average, over 5... with over 18 million hits dram. chip. might be the best 5 seconds on the net, right? or is the picard/warren vid going to win? not a chance...
DARTH VADER BEING A JERK is a great vid, the 45 second version - its been trashed and rehashed... made me laugh pretty hard along time ago...
because it also is 5 seconds long, but of course this vid and 5 seconds doesn't have the same innocuous appeal to all like some pop culture virus... this picard/warren 5 seconds offends too many... the other offends the prairie dog fans?
why the fuck do you care enough to ask this question?
- there is always A WHOLE STORY behind every thing... so tell your whole story behind your post about my WHOLE STORY...
...just because it's 5 seconds long you feel the need analyze it? Yeah, everything has a story behind it because everything branches off of everything else...
I posted a reply to you because you are abnormal and the only person i have ever seen do something of this magnitude...
I personally care enough to ask because i'm curious about the brain functions of abnormal humans who find it completely natural to relate videos just because they are 5 seconds long and present a story behind it.
well then you have some reading to do... your sound bite limited little world needs expanding...
MAGNITUDE... does my "beyond the superficial" view of these two little vid clips merit a MAGNITUDINAL analysis? maybe you can develop scale of magnitude for the internet as per those of us using excessive scrutiny and examination...
yes, i'm abnormal in that i'm way above normal, thanks for noticing... and yes, it is all connected, in my case because i had seen these two congruently...
smallest of things? prayer in schools, thats been a hot button controversial issue and one of my atheist heroes, MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR was instrumental in getting prayer out of schools...
hmmm, would picard try to get prayer out of schools of the future? i would imagine the future and STAR TREK universe is FAR MORE atheistic than what we have in america today, roddenberry WAS an atheist and it shows clearly in his episodes many times, aside from his actually just plain saying so...
What makes this even funnier is that is what Q actually said in the episode. He appears as monk, and says "Let us pray!". That was Picard's response. The episode is "Hide and Q". I know, I'm a nerd!
@ericco79 Well, naturally Picard wouldn't have wanted to pray with Q, because Q would have been praying to himself. I don't know what religion Picard is, but he most certainly does not worship Q. XD
"I refuse to believe the afterlife is run by you. The universe is not so badly designed." (Picard to Q, "Tapestry")
God or no god prying is a mind thing and has nothing to do with god its the same as hopeing for something.
67tr876 1 month ago
I love how faith is so scary to some people...
ProtoformX 2 months ago
@ProtoformX Faith isn't scary. Zelotry is scary. Murder in the name of a deity is scary. Bigotry is scary. People trying to force their beliefs on others is scary, not to mention really annoying. Should I go on or are you getting what I'm driving at?
GriffinPilgrim 2 months ago
I was expecting that to be lame.
Touche my good sir.
Zanarky 4 months ago
Hey guys what's going on
Oh god religious debate, alt F4 alt f4!
oopomopoo 4 months ago
LMAO I want to see a 10 hour version of this with techno music in the background.
ArchetypeXE 5 months ago 3
ok, but you'll be sorry... for alot longer than you ever will live. atheists may have higher IQs (mine is 120ish...) and live longer but even christians can see that ever effect has a cause, and no honest scientist (read atheist) will say that they could either prove the initial creative even ot disprove the existence of God, christian or otherwise. since not all atheists are experts they must necessarily have faith in the people who practice the art of science.
cwross1976 6 months ago
@cwross1976 So you're basically saying that all scientists are atheist?
Oh how wrong you are.
And PERHAPS we'll be sorry for alot longer than we will ever live (read: eternity), but all that hinges on you being correct, to which you have NOTHING to show for but a book in the quality that others have as well, which basically makes the one you have worthless.
And we have faith because science has proven to be right time and time again. Science got us to the moon. Faith did not.
Squiglypig 6 months ago
Best. Response. EVER.
pratikh 6 months ago 2
Clap clap clap clap clap.
nittany272 6 months ago 2
2000 stars
gibadoo 7 months ago 2
You tell 'em, Captain!
whitelighter27club 8 months ago 3
LOL. I'm a very devout Christian - even I found this funny. And THAT EPISODE with Q in it was nice as well!
Fellow Christians - please stop taking this so personal.
StandUpForCanada1867 8 months ago 2
If you cannot prove it is there, then we do not have to prove that it isn't there.
Win!
thedragonguru 9 months ago
Hahahaha... that was awesome!
jackbyrnes86 9 months ago
I am guided by strong personal morals. I don't need a religion to tell me what's right and wrong. Some people might, but all of the atheists I know are very ethical and caring. If I were dying, I would care more about what will happen when I'm gone to my friends and family, my possessions, and the things I might miss in the future (like seeing the human race become personally responsible, without needing religion), not if I've been right or wrong all my life.
lrossi888 9 months ago
@lrossi888 i get tired of this defensive posture we atheists are still in as in HOW we have morals minus religion... push the other way, WE ARE MORE MORAL... atheists have much lower crime rates than theists...
glorp896 8 months ago
@glorp896 That difference is a lot less dramatic when you consider that we atheists are a minority in many parts of the world. A better example might be the positive correlation between education levels and atheism, though that too can be explained by the fact that leftist political stances are correlated with both minorities and education level. One other thing you should know before using that line of reasoning in an argument is that it is considered an Argument By Authority.
SteelFyire 8 months ago
@SteelFyire there is no better argument than argument by authority, as most all of us are not experts in any field we must rely on peer review journals which i plug all the time... i'm just a google searching errand boy appealing to authority, better than appealing to the religious... to go beyond the simple correlation i calculated would be atheists are more educated, higher IQ, longer lived, etc... really IQ is the single best central correlate for all the other goods of man...
glorp896 8 months ago
@glorp896 I agree for the most part, but must point out that the simple statistic of "60% of scientists are atheists" is not a very solid argument. It would be far better to examine the religious beliefs of the scientists in specific fields who would be most qualified to judge whether there is or is not a God. The debate over which disciplines of science are qualified to make that judgement could go on for a long time.
SteelFyire 7 months ago
@SteelFy of course, any single stat statement is never enough, there are always more variables and questions to trump supposed conclusions. 93% of our top 2000+ scientists in THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES is a much better single stat argument if one need to used. the harder the science the more the mental work ethic required to DO the science the higher the level of atheism - from soft (sociology for example) to hard (physics, math, biology). with disproving god u better be interdisciplinary!
glorp896 7 months ago
Problem, religion?
MrMacSpiffy 11 months ago 2
6 seconds of exalance
333derick333 1 year ago
Fk Yeah, I remember when this happened, i was there
shandcunt 1 year ago
@shandcunt Oh Really!? You were there in the 24th century when Picard responded to Rick Warren's quote from more than 300 years ago? So we're you simultaneously in both times or are you commenting on a youtube video from the future?
MajorTom310 1 year ago
@MajorTom310 Yes, I always existed in every place in time and space, I AM GOD!!!!! and for some reason i have nothign better to do than comment on youtube....God gets bored and lonely too....
shandcunt 1 year ago
@shandcunt aaaah, you lonely god you, gimme a big cosmic godly cyber hug ( )... oh wait, its Xs for kisses and Os for hugs... i remember now...
glorp896 1 year ago
@MajorTom310 its a nonlocal correlation time warp instaneity process - legal within the roddenberry universe
glorp896 1 year ago
You tell him Jean Luc!
davidls11 1 year ago 2
EPIC
Beriaal 1 year ago
man picard was really adamant about that
MockEmpire 1 year ago
This is one of the most random videos ever but I dont care because it gave me a serious LOL
Steanu 1 year ago
@Scyrone People like you proclaim to be tollerant and open-minded, yet your kind practically wage war against religion and make great attempts to bring ill feelings to anyone with any kind of faith. Seriously, don't you have anything better to do than comparing one's beliefe in God to feces?
Frost3784 1 year ago
I like "Star Trek: The Next Generation," Picard is my favorite character. However, I never liked how the show looked down on religion and portrayed people as backwards for believing in God.
Frost3784 1 year ago
@Frost3784 They never portrayed religion as backwards. Religion to humans in the 24th Century is nothing, humans moved on from believing there's a magic man that created the universe, because their understanding of life and the universe is millions of times better than our current knowledge. Take DS9 for example. The religious Bajorans under Kai Winn blew up Keiko's schoolhouse because she didn't teach their religious views, just scientific facts. That's very much what religion is like now.
lrossi888 1 year ago
@lrossi888 You said that ST:TNG never portrayed religion as backwards. Then you make references to "moving on from believing" and a "magic man that created the universe." Is it backwards or is it not? In regards to religion on DS9, you missed the point. The show was using the Bajorans to show that religion can bring harmonay to a world; but there will always be those who manipulate it to serve their own purposes. Kai Winn didn't care about the prophets, she just wanted political power.
Frost3784 1 year ago
@Frost3784 I understand the point, Frost. I think you missed my point. To humans, the idea of religion isn't backwards, since obviously they once believed in a God. But events that brought humans to forming a Federation and exploring space and understanding other species and understanding things about the creation of life and the universe, enlightened them. Religion is really nothing more than an attempt to explain how we came to be and try to justify our existence.
lrossi888 1 year ago
@lrossi888 If religion is a mere attempt to explain and justify our origins and existance and "enlightenment" ends the need for religion, then it would be correct to call it backwards. "Star Trek's" portrayal of religion and faith ultimately extinguish by the 24th century is utterly stupid. Ideaologies that have survived for thousands upon thousands of years won't snuff out in four centuries just because we met some space aliens.
Frost3784 1 year ago
@Frost3784 I don't think there's many people around anymore that believe that there is a Sun God, an Earth God, a Wind God, or a Water God.
I also don't think there's many religions still around that require ritualistic sacrifice.
They went away or changed because society changed (or a different religion was forced upon them *cough*).
lrossi888 1 year ago
@lrossi888
Science has seemed to disprove Greek Gods. Lightning is caused by static electricity, not because Zeus is angry with us. The sun goes away because the Earth rotates on an axis away from the light. Not Apollo's chariot.
There's yet to be a dire argument against Christianity, which people are skeptic to whether if praying works or if we're in a delusional circle, when it's hard to disprove that it's about the improvement of one's life.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe A magic man that created everything 6000 years ago? There's very little that makes sense in the Christian bible or any other religious text for that matter. I agree that when religious faith is used to better yourself, it's fine. But too much is religion used for malice, hate, fearmongering, greed, and just about anything else you can conceive of.
lrossi888 1 year ago
@lrossi888
I have no comment on the book of Genesis or in Darwinism terms the Big Bang Theory.
I don't like to use my religion to force views on others and condemn them to Hell if they don't repent their sins, follow Jesus or other shit like that.
Like I said, I use my religion for the betterment of myself and others around me. This includes my 2 mission trips to Mexico, 1 to Georgia, and another to a broken Indian Reservation. No conversions here. We don't force, we wait for the willing
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe I wish more religious folk were like that... Live and let live.
LordThanatos666 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe
"I use my religion for the betterment of myself "
If your main concern is to better yourself, you'd better kick religion out of your life.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer
Why? That's a piss poor reason to give it up.
Have you ever been to a sermon before? I'm guessing not. The messages are pretty good if you ask me.
If you're going to reply to my posts, at least make it worth opening up.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe
"Have you ever been to a sermon before?"
Sure. It's all vapid nonsense.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe The arguments that apply to any other god(s) apply to the Abrahamic god just the same.
IHaveAPodXTLive 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe Science has also proven that crops grow or not based on weather patterns, not because god is mad; we get sick because of germs, not because god is mad; and the universe was formed because of physical and chemical reactions, not because god said so. I'm not attacking you. I'm only saying that you have a weak argument.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules Not that I'm disagreeing with your beliefs, but this argument is itself weak. Perhaps the weather, germs and those physical and chemical reactions were created by God. Perhaps not, but faith in something greater than what we can observe is no more a leap than presuming that what we observe is all there is.
NathanielEverist 1 year ago
@NathanielEverist You've missed the point. My comment was meant to show how a belief in a higher power can lead to ignorance. When one fails to seek out the reason behind an event, blaming it on a god, progress ceases. Faith in something greater than what we can observe is an enormous leap, but I do not believe that we have observed everything, and I do believe that the pursuit of knowledge is a more worthwhile cause than blind faith, as these ideas are in direct opposition to one another.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules I understood the point, I just think you've got a very narrow perception of what "God" is. Whatever you argue, "God as cause" can always be argued one step further. Example, "The universe is created from chemical reactions, not God", can be countered with "Perhaps God created those Chemicals, or the laws that determine the reactions". The conclusion "I don't know if there is a God or not" is logically acceptable, saying "There is no God", is arrogant and narrow-minded.
NathanielEverist 1 year ago
@NathanielEverist Perhaps is such a nice word, isn't it? You can sprinkle it on anything and it makes you right by default. Perhaps the universe was created by a unicorn. Perhaps there are fairies in my garden. Perhaps your god will fly down on his little cloud and reveal himself to the entirety of the world...perhaps not. I refuse to base my life around an archaic book as morally depraved as the Bible. If we look at objective evidence, there is no god. There's nothing arrogant about that.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago 24
@MyGrammarRules well played, i'm so sick of this religious rhetoric I hear people spout. You have to be exceedingly ignorant or delusional to believe any "holy text" was divinely inspired. Anyone who's actually read them knows they are full of hateful, fear mongering bullshit and many advocate the execution or forcible conversion of "non-believers".
Ya it sucks that you'll be dead much much longer than you have ever lived. That doesn't justify believing in fairy tales and persecuting others.
nickosharp 7 months ago
@MyGrammarRules Where does your authority to proclaim what is moral come from? Given your vulgar expressions on beliefs I don't sense any authority in you whatsoever.
Dhari1 3 months ago
@Dhari1 What have I said that was vulgar? My "authority to proclaim what is moral" comes from my ability to discern what is and is not morally acceptable in our society.
MyGrammarRules 3 months ago
@MyGrammarRules Hey donkey fucker i dont care what u say asshole i'll masturbate if i goddamn feel like it.
HelloHansSolo 3 months ago
@MyGrammarRules How is the Bible morally depraved? Can you give me some specific examples, please? No rudeness intended, just curiosity.
Calriec 3 months ago
@Calriec God sends two bears to maul to death 42 children for calling a bald man bald. - II Kings 2 God kills every single thing on Earth (save two of everything plus Noah's family) because he grew tired what he had created. - Genesis 6-9 Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead ordered by God. Judges 21:10-24 God's rules for obtaining slaves. Leviticus 25:44-46 God commands his followers to stone to death disobedient children. Proverbs 20:20 and all non-believers. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
MyGrammarRules 3 months ago
@MyGrammarRules and with that is God really trying to get us all into heaven to join him, because it seems to me like he's doing a very good self-danming job of getting his own ass into hell....
DaniMart2005 1 month ago
@MyGrammarRules Said one amoeba to another: "If we look at objective evidence, THERE IS NO HUMAN!!".
ChristopherJacques 4 days ago
@ChristopherJacques Seeing as that amoeba lack a brain with which they may formulate thought, as they are single celled organisms after all, I find it rather impossible to imagine that one would say anything to the next. Ground yourself in reality, friend; it's so nice in here!
MyGrammarRules 3 days ago
@lrossi888 There's actually quite a few religions of that nature still around...obviously not so much in the Western world or in more developed countries.
IHaveAPodXTLive 1 year ago
@lrossi888 you need to get around more!
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 I don't get what you're aiming for here.
lrossi888 1 year ago
Frost, religion is backwards and the federation is a result of NOT being religious -- roddenberry did a helluva job of extinguishing religion in the 24th century; was their one moslem, xian or jew on board (religious of course)... your last line is true, BUT IT WILL BE A PROFOUND EFFECT, maybe far more powerful in destroying religion than we realize; i can only HOPE SO! - ONLY THE MOST STUPID PROVINCIAL AND SELFISHLY GUARDED NARROW MINDS WILL MAINTAIN THAT THEIR GOD IS THE ONE AFTER 1ST CONTACT
glorp896 1 year ago
@Frost3784 Take Jake Sisko's comment about the Bajorans. He said in front of his father that he thinks it's stupid that the Bajorans think of the "wormhole aliens" as Gods or Prophets. His father responds quickly and explains that it's not stupid, it's their faith. Nothing in the Star Trek universe leads me to believe they look down on religion, but they do look down on the wackos (like the Bajorans that blew up the school house).
lrossi888 1 year ago
@lrossi888 Bravo, well said. Let people believe what they want to believe so long as it does not damage society. While there can only be one true way, whatever that way be; one ultimately has to realize that what we believe has to be our own choice and not the choice of another. I'm a Christian, so for me... Christ is the only path to God and salvation. I have a friend who is Pagan. She believes that when you die, you simply die. I believe I am right, she believes she is right.
Frost3784 1 year ago
@lrossi888 i guess you don't know roddenberry... the bajorans were not a great example anyway, they had some REAL "prophets" and orb and all, xians have 66 books and no super duper dimensional beings at present to guide them with visions... just your local palm reader and faith healer?
i'll message you a link, a most enlightening link as to STAR TREK (RODDENBERRY) MAKING RELIGION LOOK BAD
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 Religion looks bad enough on its own often enough. It doesn't take someone with adequate mental capacity to realize how silly deism generally is.
lrossi888 1 year ago
@lrossi888 i can't say anything looks bad enough on its own, it always needs some comparison and obviously it is the far more down to earth honesty of science that is to compare to religion... (oh wait, i should say Down to Universe in a more star trek sentiment)... theism is silly, deism is less silly (at least deism is a kind of concession of atheism for the here and now as god seems to be hiding and only wound up the clock - it doesn't assume constant god interaction...
glorp896 1 year ago
@lrossi888
I've always firmly believed that it is, in reality, the atheists that are operating on the lower end of the intellectual spectrum. For one to believe that all of existence, with all it's complexities, is a giant cosmic or dimensional accident, something that "just happened for no reason in particular" is truly the absolute maxima of ignorance and stupidity. Psychologically, a belief in atheism can usually be traced to a simple fear of the possibility of their being a god.
TechNoir24 10 months ago
@TechNoir24 "Psychologically, a belief in atheism can usually be traced to a simple fear of the possibility of their [sic] being a god." 1. Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of a belief. 2. The rest of this claim sounds like hearsay, or outright fiction. Where's the research on all of these god-fearing atheists?
SamcasticAtGmail 8 months ago
@lrossi888
Or, a fear in what one's closest associates would believe about them if they told them they believed in God, or, a desire to place oneself in their eyes and the eyes of some others as superior to all those ignorant religious folks, but I would say this belief mainly follows from seeing the existence of God as an inconvienence. If there's a God, then there's an entity that is infinitely more powerful and wise than any human being could ever possibly be.
TechNoir24 10 months ago
@lrossi888
And if this is the case, then I might have to be accountable to this being. Atheists, in general, don't like this idea because it raises the question of guilt and responsibility for one's actions. The very idea of God truly existing scares them, very badly, and so an endless stream of justistifications and reasoning will be put out in order to justify that belief, because it is necessary for the maintenance of their psyche, which has been conditioned to pursue self-interest alone
TechNoir24 10 months ago
@TechNoir24 I'm an atheist, and it isn't because I'm scared of the idea of a God. That makes no sense, and any atheist will tell you that. I'm an atheist because I am not arrogant enough to think that there is a higher power that loves me, and because I'm not arrogant enough to think that I KNOW what will happen to me when I die. You don't know, nobody does, and to say that you do (which is the very basis of religion) is just dead wrong.
wogolfer 9 months ago
@TechNoir24 Okay, let's talk.
There is a huge gap in reasoning where one comes to assume that, simply because there is a God, this God has an interest in any of our deeds whatsoever.
If we have anything to fear from God it would be that God might be an unrighteous tyrant, but there is no proof of such, nor is there necessarily proof that this God is the God of the Bible.
Atheists are NOT nihilists. Atheists have their own individual moral beliefs. It's unfair to label them all as self-serving.
Majikn 9 months ago
@TechNoir24 as an atheist and feeling more alone you are more in touch with the rest of humanity, as they are all you can count on... if god is going to save you that what care would or should you have for the rest of humanity? only in as much as it can be a gauge for god to save you or not?, as in how well you treated the rest of humanity? or are you one that thinks salvation is not at all a measure of good works? i'm more afraid god doesn't exist than their being one to save me...
glorp896 8 months ago
@TechNoir24 i don't at all "practice" atheism as some form of self-interest, i think self interest is FAR MORE born of a sense of eternal entitlement through salvation... i don't feel immortal at all, i'm guessing my nonexistence awaits, thats hardly self-interest - living as long as i can with this idea would compel me to live a far more moral life, like being a vegan for instance - the fear of nonexistence is a greater impetus for morality than thinking you must be moral to be in heaven...
glorp896 8 months ago
@glorp896 They were as much like Gods as the Goa'uld are in Stargate. They aren't real "Gods", but rather powerful aliens. The difference being the "wormhole aliens" are non-corporeal and appear to live in a different plane of existence.
lrossi888 1 year ago
@lrossi888 yes, they don't understand our linear time line 4 dimensional limitations - it was kind of an interesting play as they tried to connect these two kinds of thinking... ultimately i think it may be a matter of thinking at the speed of light to understand such an existence - people talk of this in the after life, as in near death experiences, they explain a kind of eternity and a kind of instaneity (explained well in ART AND PHYSICS by leonard schlain
glorp896 1 year ago
@Frost3784 that was hardly a religion without a "god", the "prophets" really were something (wormhole aliens)... so at least their "religion" had some substance, if only weirdo timeless other dimensional beings... so in a sense it was more "down to earth/Bajor" - at least a wormhole away...
glorp896 1 year ago
@lrossi888 of course they did, MANY TIMES... you site a great example, that evil wicked power hungry religious zealot nazi bitch... DEVIL'S DUE comes to mind, and then you see the wizard of oz behind the curtain, just an ET playing games with the less techno powerful and superstitious.. do you ever see a single major cast member pray? its even just by default a communication that religion is backwards as well as it is so constantly bypassed and ignored... when in deep space, which god?
glorp896 1 year ago
@Frost3784 gene roddenberry was an atheist, and because i am as well i loved his "tone" and making the believers look stupid, but it was subtle and careful at times as well... gotta respect that diversity out there in the universe, right gene? that PRIME DIRECTIVE includes not teaching the stupid savage natives that their god is folly
glorp896 1 year ago
and faggotry.....was shut down
Seguris 1 year ago
@Scyrone @mbturner625 "The propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained."
George Washington, First Inaugural Address, April 30, 1789
HarmonicWave 1 year ago
@Scyrone - except that the USA was started by Christians, so your statement is backwards. It's because the USA is quickly moving away from God that it's closer to falling.
HarmonicWave 1 year ago
@HarmonicWave "We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." - Thomas Jefferson
mbturner625 1 year ago
@mbturner625 "I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you... in his holy protection... to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another... and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion..."
George Washington, circular letter of farewell to the Army, June 8, 1783
HarmonicWave 1 year ago
@HarmonicWave Legally, we are not a christian nation. See Treaty of Tripoli 1796, article 11, which clearly states we are not a christian nation other than we happen to have christians in our nation.
MrLawrenceV 1 year ago 2
@MrLawrenceV I would never claim that we are officially a Christian nation, for it was the establishment of one official state religion that the founders were trying to get away from (i.e. if your religion is different then what the government decides is the right one, you're in trouble with the government); I simply intend to point out that most of the founding fathers were men who believed in and relied upon God and the Bible. I would post links, but it doesn't seem to let me here.
HarmonicWave 1 year ago
@HarmonicWave Yes, some of them were men of god and the bible. It explains why slavery was kept in, and why women weren't allowed equal rights. Both very bible like things.
I'm glad my eyes were opened to how great some of these bible ideas are. We need to go back to the good old days.
MrLawrenceV 1 year ago 2
@MrLawrenceV Jesus spoke to woman who were not usually spoken to by the culture, and the first people who witnessed Him after He rose from the dead were woman. Men and woman are equal, but created for different roles and functions. Husbands are to love and serve their wives and even die for them. The Bible describes many things about the cultures of the times in which it was written, that doesn't mean it approves of them. The word slave often means servant, and they were to be treated well.
HarmonicWave 1 year ago
@HarmonicWave Arguments based around euphemisms amuse me to no end. Created for different roles. How nice. That almost sounds like it's not sexist. Almost.
And the thing you said about slaves is so ludicrous I'm going to assume that you're trolling. Almost by definition, slaves are not treated well, that's why they're slaves and not employees. And the bible clearly states that you can rape women in war if you marry them afterwards. Sex slaves. How loving.
MrLawrenceV 1 year ago 2
@MrLawrenceV My apologies, but I don't have the time to go back and forth with someone who is obviously not open to understanding the Bible, and I don't have room in these comment boxes to provide all of the background to my statements. Arguing details will not get either of us anywhere or help us learn anything useful. I know the truth, and if you want to keep coming up with reasons to reject God and the Bible then you are free to do so. He will not force you to change and neither will I.
HarmonicWave 1 year ago
@HarmonicWave No, I understand the bible just fine. I'm not open to changing the interpretations to make it look like your god doesn't support a host of the most evil institutions ever dreamt of in the minds of the criminally insane.
The fact that the fairy tale you were fed in sunday school doesn't match up with the stuff that's really in the bible doesn't mean the dark stuff isn't in there. Closing your eyes doesn't make it go away.
MrLawrenceV 1 year ago 2
@HarmonicWave Most of the founding fathers were deists, not Christians.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
Tell it like it is, Captain.
Goastfreak 1 year ago
Picard needs to give a response to addvoc8. (Check out the vids where Patrick Stewart speaks for Amnesty International and you'll learn who this prick is.)
assilembrandywine 1 year ago
He just fuckin' pwned him.
crzer07 1 year ago
Okay as a Christian I'm laughing my butt off on this one! I sometimes feel like saying this in church.
JWolf56 1 year ago 5
@JWolf56 I love Rick Warren, thought it was fine that he led the country in prayer, and still laughed my butt of at this too. Rick Warren would probably even laugh! He is a funny guy with an excellent sense of humor! Most people won't look past the media to see that, sadly.
crazysingingchick 1 year ago
@crazysingingchick Yeah, like when he did his best to talk the Ugandan government into carrying out genocide against suspected homosexuals. He's a barrel of laughs!
NotQuiteRight 1 year ago
@NotQuiteRight Yeah, like when you didn't do your homework and didn't know that he actually didn't approve of that anti-gay bill in Uganda. You're a barrel of laughs. Go look it up... other ministers tried to make Warren apologize for issuing a statement against the bill.
crazysingingchick 1 year ago
GJ, that was actually pretty funny. It is also remarkable how much passion everyone has based on 5 seconds of video. As this is the 900th or so religious debate I have stumbled across online, I observe this: Religious debates rarely, extremely rarely, stir the currents of conversion, to either camp. I have never seen it happen once. Opinion is fleeting, and belief is emotionally tied to identity, so no fact, no matter how well presented, can truly shift it. Belief is shifted by something..else.
erentheca 1 year ago
@erentheca
And yet, it happens. You just don't see it happen because we are proud creatures, and will not reverse our opinions on the spot, under pressure. It's long after the debate, having angrily researched the matter in order to be better equipped next time, that the religious discover they were mistaken.
After all, where do you think atheists come from? Perhaps in another generation they'll have been raised by atheist parents, but for the most part they are former theists.
Zamboro 1 year ago
@Zamboro
Y'know I thought like that once, but I spent years looking for the right answer and I only found more evidence to back up the Christian's viewpoint. Theories that are still in text books have been proven false for over 50 years. Do you remember the Miller Theory about how certain gases formed the basis for life on Earth? Proven false in the 1950s. Christianity will never fade away, where there is one whose faith is strong and has the facts to back it up, ignorance like I had will fail.
ninjawraith17 1 year ago
@ninjawraith17 So all the other theories that destroy Christianity don't matter? Just because Abiogenesis cannot be demonstrated, you'd rather say: "God did it!" and sit on your ass and pray. Our lack of an explanation is no better than yours.
Roll up your sleeves, boy, and work for your answers.
pdblouin33 1 year ago 48
@pdblouin33 Provide examples of theories that destroy Christianity, please. And how exactly does a theory (aka speculation or guess) "destroy" anything? We're basing "fact" on hypotheses, now?
crazysingingchick 1 year ago
@crazysingingchick Theories are not speculations or guesses. Theories are guesses that have proven correct. Theories started out as hypotheses, which are speculations and guesses. Those hypotheses were put to the test of the scientific method, published in scholarly journals, the results were replicated by the publisher's peers, and then, and only then, did the guess become a theory. One example would be the Theory of Relativity.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules You are clearly unaware that some words can have multiple meanings. Your grammar may be great, but you should learn what a synonym is. In the same comment she used the word you're assuming (how ironic that you criticise other's faith in God) she used incorrectly, she said "We're basing 'fact' on hypothesis now?", so your little English lesson is not only arrogant and incorrect, it's also redundant.
NathanielEverist 1 year ago
@NathanielEverist I am fully aware that words can have two meanings; I did, in fact, pass the fourth grade, and I'm certain of the meaning of synonym. I was merely clarifying the differences between a hypothesis and a theory because she seemed confused about the two, as do you by your implication that theory is a synonym for hypothesis.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules I didn't perceive any confusion from anybody but you on the matter. You may understand the meaning of synonym, but you failed to grasp the context in which it was being used. You said "Theories are not speculations or guesses", yet anybody willing to look up the dictionary definition will see that "theory" can indeed mean "4. Abstract reasoning; speculation".
NathanielEverist 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules That last comment was the last you will hear from me, as you are clearly so inflated by pride (as is evident from your name) that you cannot admit when you have made an error, regardless of how blatant it is. I have better things to do than argue semantics on youtube, and simply got involved because the arrogance you displayed in combination with your own errors irritated me into teaching you a lesson. However, I see that I may as well be talking to a stone. Have a great day.
NathanielEverist 1 year ago
@NathanielEverist Please forgive me for failing to realize that she was NOT using "theory" in it's scientific context. It isn't as if they were talking about scientific theories or anything when I mentioned that. *facepalm* Who are you to lecture me on context anyway? You are incorrect in your assumption that my moniker has anything to do with pride. In fact, it is nothing more than word play. Maybe you would have realized that if you really were as smart as you think you are.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@ninjawraith17 Very well put, ninja!! Awesome!! :))
crazysingingchick 1 year ago
God: Let there be light
Picard: Make it so
*And there was light*
pontyfaxjr 1 year ago 81
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@pontyfaxjr
God: Let there be light
Picard: Let there be no such damn thing.
*And there wasn't light till Picard was out of his bad mood and said there could be*
XD
EXCESSENTERTAINMENT 1 year ago
@pontyfaxjr actually faster than the speed of light, picard has god beat
glorp896 1 year ago
@pontyfaxjr on the first day Picard created the earl grey, and on the second day he made it hot/
stoltobot 11 months ago 78
Picard is best
magikmhan321321 1 year ago
@magikmhan321321
at what?
ninjawraith17 1 year ago
Those who seem to think that religion will eventually "die" are under an unfortunate illusion
pwe5000 1 year ago
@pwe5000
oh it won't die
it will be brutally murdered, resurrected like jesus, then burned to death again. and again. and again. forever. so we can keep punishing it for all the idiocy that has been committed in its name
ZeranEmpire 1 year ago
@ZeranEmpire I pray that you will come to the knowledge of the truth.
pwe5000 1 year ago
@pwe5000
I'll be put to death (a punishment) for not obeying (serving) Hitler (a dictator)
I'll be sent to hell (a punishment) for not worshiping (serving) god
...
naaahhh, just a coincidence, I'm SURE
-_-
ZeranEmpire 1 year ago
@ZeranEmpire You're quite right about the coincidence. The immense difference is that Hitler did not create you, nor was he an ultimate being, deserving of your eternal praise.
If you're going to criticize Christianity, consider the entire system, not just a part. That's the fallacy you committed in that last post.
pwe5000 1 year ago
@pwe5000
I will not accept anything without proof.
I will not bow to anyone.
A creator's job is to create, nothing more. A creator is owed NOTHING.
I am my own person, I am not a slave. I will not bow to the whims of an ancient text written by the universe's nonexistent abusive parent.
why should ANYONE worship or serve anyone? We are not sheep by nature. We are kings. Or at least I am. You can be a sheep if you want.
I'll be the sheperd.
ZeranEmpire 1 year ago
@ZeranEmpire You can be a king if you want, but not without Yahweh as YOUR king. That's all I've got to say.
pwe5000 1 year ago
@pwe5000
haha NO
What did you not get about I bow to no one? No mortal, no god, no devil.
I serve no one. Aid others? yes. Respect others? when they respect me. Serve, bow to, or worship others? no. never.
Not just me. I will see humanity free of such concepts as authority and superiors. All will be equal, and COMPLETELY free. Only then can our advancement and evolution continue, upward unto the stars and infinity.
ZeranEmpire 1 year ago 4
@ZeranEmpire what he siad
aab43214 1 year ago
@aab43214 said*
aab43214 1 year ago
Engage :)
Selinja 1 year ago 2
In the future, religion will be extinct, a historical curiosity, and mention of 'God' will be considered very bad taste.
luvdomus 1 year ago 9
God = product of human imagination
Your crystal ball = AWESOME!!!!
Fuckfacescumbag 1 year ago 4
I disagree. Do we nowadays say "Zeus" with stigma? no, we know Zeus for what he was: an age old fairy tale. Just like the Judeo-christian god will be millenia from now.
BornInAsphodelMeadow 1 year ago 6
@BornInAsphodelMeadow
People have been irrationally fearing the Judeo-Christian god for millenia as it is. I really hope it doesn't take that long before we collectively smarten up.
TampaRed 1 year ago
can't wait. how long will it be?
mirabilis 1 year ago
@mirabilis My post alludes to sci-fi autor Arthur C.Clark's sequel to his novel 2001, titled 3001, wherein religion is considered to be a relic of the barbaric past, like slavery. Any mention of god is met with embarrassed silence.
It won't happen unless and until we make it happen. Personally, whenever I hear a casual reference to religion spoken as if it is a matter of course that we live in a "Christian" nation, I heap scorn on the speaker in a witty yet politely diapproving manner.
luvdomus 1 year ago
@luvdomus
Do you believe making it happen is the right course? If so, how do you propose we go about it?
I personally believe reason and rationality will continually weed out the living gods and put them in the historical cemetary along with the dead gods of eras and cultures of the past.
TampaRed 1 year ago 3
@luvdomus
I agree. I believe that reason will eventually overthrough tribal superstition like it has continually been doing for generations. Just as people no longer believe in vampires, one day people will no longer believe in gods. We will be all the better for it.
I don't think, though, that mention of god will be in bad taste. It will be in curious, interesting historical study, just as the Greek and Roman gods are to us now.
TampaRed 1 year ago 2
@luvdomus I think I read an Aldous Huxley novel similar to what you describe.
Sanguiluna 1 year ago
This is by far the most awesome video I've ever seen.
gaussian 1 year ago 5
buahahahahah, nice, unexpected
lifemetall 2 years ago
Awesome!
merelunacy42 2 years ago
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Oh no! Someone prayed in a public setting! We've got to get out of here, get to the choppa!
Darkpower46 2 years ago
Played.
Bidds12 2 years ago
Win.
Alaron251 2 years ago 3
Way to stand up for the 1st Amendment Captain Picard!
Osamabinjackson 2 years ago 7
@Osamabinjackson Picard's European.
brotherjustincrowe 2 years ago
5/5 good sir
panfisha 2 years ago
Now thats a great video.
Tzimnewman3 2 years ago
better than dramatic chipmunk?
glorp896 2 years ago
@glorp896
100% Yes
Tzimnewman3 2 years ago
you mean on a 10 point scale you'd give this vid a 10 and dramatic chipmunk only an average 5?
i'd give this something over 8 and dramatic chipmunk something over the average, over 5... with over 18 million hits dram. chip. might be the best 5 seconds on the net, right? or is the picard/warren vid going to win? not a chance...
DARTH VADER BEING A JERK is a great vid, the 45 second version - its been trashed and rehashed... made me laugh pretty hard along time ago...
glorp896 2 years ago
... why the fuck are you relating this with dramatic chipmunk and presenting a whole story behind it?
jhunt123456 1 year ago
because it also is 5 seconds long, but of course this vid and 5 seconds doesn't have the same innocuous appeal to all like some pop culture virus... this picard/warren 5 seconds offends too many... the other offends the prairie dog fans?
why the fuck do you care enough to ask this question?
- there is always A WHOLE STORY behind every thing... so tell your whole story behind your post about my WHOLE STORY...
glorp896 1 year ago
whats your quantitative analysis of dramatic chipmunk and/or this vid... lets see your empirical scrutiny, your gene rodenberry best...
glorp896 1 year ago
...just because it's 5 seconds long you feel the need analyze it? Yeah, everything has a story behind it because everything branches off of everything else...
I posted a reply to you because you are abnormal and the only person i have ever seen do something of this magnitude...
I personally care enough to ask because i'm curious about the brain functions of abnormal humans who find it completely natural to relate videos just because they are 5 seconds long and present a story behind it.
jhunt123456 1 year ago
well then you have some reading to do... your sound bite limited little world needs expanding...
MAGNITUDE... does my "beyond the superficial" view of these two little vid clips merit a MAGNITUDINAL analysis? maybe you can develop scale of magnitude for the internet as per those of us using excessive scrutiny and examination...
yes, i'm abnormal in that i'm way above normal, thanks for noticing... and yes, it is all connected, in my case because i had seen these two congruently...
glorp896 1 year ago
yes.. it merits a magnitudinal analysis. Why you decide to make a big deal out of the smallest things is beyond me however.
jhunt123456 1 year ago
smallest of things? prayer in schools, thats been a hot button controversial issue and one of my atheist heroes, MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR was instrumental in getting prayer out of schools...
hmmm, would picard try to get prayer out of schools of the future? i would imagine the future and STAR TREK universe is FAR MORE atheistic than what we have in america today, roddenberry WAS an atheist and it shows clearly in his episodes many times, aside from his actually just plain saying so...
glorp896 1 year ago
What makes this even funnier is that is what Q actually said in the episode. He appears as monk, and says "Let us pray!". That was Picard's response. The episode is "Hide and Q". I know, I'm a nerd!
ericco79 2 years ago 76
excellence provenance nerd! good going
glorp896 2 years ago 2
lol, I thought the same thing when I watched it...
jerrynog 2 years ago
I tell you what: Q's let himself go. He almost looks like Rick Warren now.
Fordi 1 year ago
@ericco79 nerds kick ass, I wish I was one.
globalchaos1984 1 year ago
@ericco79
loved that episode. Those Q powers Riker would have gotten would probably made all the situations the enterprise has been in ALOT easier.
Poowee117 1 year ago
@ericco79 Well, naturally Picard wouldn't have wanted to pray with Q, because Q would have been praying to himself. I don't know what religion Picard is, but he most certainly does not worship Q. XD
"I refuse to believe the afterlife is run by you. The universe is not so badly designed." (Picard to Q, "Tapestry")
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@ericco79 and you sir are in good company and should be proud of it :D
twominutepenalty 1 year ago
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A facepalm would have been better.
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