push hand 80kg-up! 勁!!! 重量級推手,引進落空!

[panicpgh]

@kahetel13, I agree.

[panicpgh]

@ShredST: If you have to ask, you don't know them. Any good book on Tai Chi will give you a good introduction to them. What we're seeing here is wrestling, not Tai Chi. It's a shoving match, nothing more.

[panicpgh]

Nice. Another shoving match where all the principles of Tai Chi go out the window.

[ShredST]

@panicpgh What are the principles of Tai Chi?

[kahetel13]

@panicpgh if this is Tai Chi, then Elephants do fly. rooting goes out the window and basically this is "Bull Chi" not Tai Chi....the masters of old would have decimated anyone trying to grab them., so much for liars

[cwswhk]

taijihugo 加油！能夠不計較得失，享受比賽，真正有體育精神！我同意你所講­，李師傅的技術很好，你須敗猶榮，祝武藝日進！

[hoddlepoon]

This looks to me Tai Chi is very similar with wrestling/judo, the shorter guy always have two underhooks, that is why he keep on winning, the tall should fight for those underhook so he can use his height as leverage

[januarydriver]

看比賽﹐一開始高個子使用的是摔跤術﹐想要捉住矮個子要把他推出­圈外﹐矮個子下盤不弱﹐身子曲足姿勢擺低是一大優勢﹐高個子忽略­了這點﹐結果是第一次交手就被矮個子掌控上半身﹐然後被平推出圈­外。第二次交手﹐高個子試圖抓住矮個子腰身﹐似乎想把矮個子抓住­丟出﹐但是這種由上至下使力的抱摔恰巧被低姿勢的矮個子逮住機會­﹐反手把高個子抱住頂起然後摔倒。第三次交手﹐高個子還是沒有領­悟矮個子的優勢﹐不過這次矮個子發勁時不夠鬆來不及擺脫高個子右­手抱頭﹐結果雙雙一起跌倒。第四次交手﹐兩人互相抓抱﹐高個子做­對了一個動作就是重心移動﹐對付下盤姿勢低的對手就該身子下盤移­動重心也移動﹐可惜高個子只會死死抱住﹐不懂的何時捉起何時放手­﹐結果還是雙雙一起跌倒。第五次交手﹐矮個子變化招數﹐改推做拉­對付使用蠻力的高個子﹐結果是高個子自己向前扑到。

[alan513]

太極不一定要手畫圓阿 由身體圓出去的 小動作都有化勁包含

[wingchun21]

This does not look like tai chi.

[TheTjcrazyhorse]

wrestling?

[accesstw28]

无聊的课做无聊的事



[lovein1874]

真係推手,不過唔係太極果只^^

[eyu1858945]

體重相當矮的重心低那麼多 不用比就知道 除非力量懸殊 高的根本沒機會

[zipdriver011]

I do not see the classics of peng, lu, ji, an, tsai, lieh, zhou, khau; zhan, nian, lien, sui. What the heck are the grabbings and holdings? Wrestling is the name that suits this game - definitely not Tai Chi Push Hands. Neigh...neigh...

[bdzbk1]

说的是的确是以刚克刚，用太极拳经来备注有些不好

[Devinchichichi]

真實打架,落在地下又是巴柔天下

[KungfuKrane]

@Devinchichichi

前提是地上沒有雜物...@@a

[Achilles1987]

It looks like Traditional Turkish Grease/Oil Wrestling. =)

[jimanHK]

what if one of the players didnt allow the other one to get too close?then the pushing hads would look like pushing hands not llike wrestling

[pchow2ca]

He is a good wrestler, but it is not Taichi. A good thrower does not mean skillful in pushhand. Never the less, his wrestling skill is pretty good even his opponent is not very good in wrestling, just all muscle and not much of skill. This is the problem of Mainland China's lack of understanding of real Taichi. Most of these Tai Chi tournaments are just a wrestling matches. Against a real "hard" opponent, if the person don't fall off right away, it is not Tai chi

[pchow2ca]

He is a good wrestler, but not Taichi.

[ratchadapalazzo]

the taller guy was relying too much on his upper body. he was just too high.

[nbh13]

如果說這個是摔跤的話,我會非常欣賞

如果說這個是太極的話,我就無話可說了

[poiuy956]

好像到了日本 沒辦法啊 推手的 規定是這樣啊 這樣規定為了保護選手 但是 也讓人看笑話 了 唉..

[revron77]

Bing Bong Ting

[TheZhongzheng]

I love it!

[MasterShrsDisciple]

This has nothing to do with push hands. Maybe you should invite a Sumo wrestler to these competitions ...

[8stepsifu]

@MasterShrsDisciple

Sumo is from China's Tang Dynasty. Shuai Chiao is even older. This is considered basics. Have to start somewhere.

[kungfu4fight]

推手改革了？不错啊，再加上直拳边腿就成UFC了

[shote1121]

好精彩的推手!!!!!!

[AutoTok]

给那些不懂太极推手的人。。

不知道就别装懂。。。



[jeff61177]

this looks like jiu jitsu or shuai jiao, not push hands.

[david66lenovo]

This is only strength power! Not the essence of Tai Chi or even Tai Chi pushhands.

[david66lenovo]

嘩! 好很大力呀! 扯到件衫都爛埋呀!

呢啲就所為引進落空喇, 因為連衫都扯爛無得再扯, 咁扯唔到咪落空囉!!

唔知呢一招扯爛衫係太極嘅邊一招呢??



[onehole6166]

好精采~贏家是個高手，輸家也非常有涵養，都配稱為武術家

[issiissiii]

感動した

[DanShteFan]

This is wrestling, no push-hands here! Maybe change the title of your video?

[lesterado]

Good sumo skills

[2redstick]

好功夫、好功力、好精神、好朋友。中国武林，人人應以此為榜樣！­

[2redstick]

好功夫、好功力、好精神、好朋友。中国武林，人人應以此為榜樣！­

[herbertking2]

這是角力吧？

[sbho]

這不是太極啦, 丟人現眼

[lkcheong8863]

最大問題都係高度相差20cm

重心造成黑方連輸的最大成因

[Jarbasdesign]

好鳥喔...

[taijeime]

這根本就不是推手,只能算是摔跤,sorry!

[KlausYTY]

tai ji is art, jing is strength in your body or muscle. tai ji is about timing and manipulate other strength, so they use this kind of excircise to gain understanding in strength so they can strike at right time and right direction in the flow of force. layman opinion.

[TheSenseofTouch]

im not impressed

[soulcalibur22]

your gay we arent impressed with u either

[jamesshao2009]

what the hells this .Kimbo gets their both ass kicked

[bignipli]

Wonderful video!

I want more!

I got a question,

i had one time sparring with a wing chun guy!

I used pushing hand skills, but my middle part was hitted by that guy every time!

Any body teach me how to deal with wing-chun by using tai-chi?

[nanhuazhenren]

What do you mean by "You used PH skills"?

You MUSTN´T think about principles while fighting, if you have really trained enough, your body will use them on its own.

When he hits the middle part of your body you have to use actions to avoid getting hit and then counter, but always spontaneously.

[inferno4321]

@bignipli start with boxing, then you can fuck with everyone....

[Thailearner]

Should it consider as what it should be for Tai ji?

[AalleekksseeyMOSCOW]

非常好！中国万岁！

[laurentgarciaatc]

the energie of transformation are not punching!

[laurentgarciaatc]

i speak the sensitive perception, you don't understand. the energie of transfomation is use in the old taiji or neijia quan. this is the higth level of taiji.

[joeycason1]

這個像推人多過推手。

[michaelzs1004]

the shorter man more stable as his central point is lower, has an advan...:)

[nanhuazhenren]

he´s simply better trained

[TaiChiTex]

to the untrained eye, yep looks like wrestling...Taiji players are known as stand up grapplers...it is much harder thatn it looks, thrust me.

[laurentgarciaatc]

this is judo or taiji ? WHERE IS THE ENERGIE OF TRANSFORMATION ?

[ausreir]

@laurentgarciaatc to those who cannot read the description...it says that the tournament strictly forbid the use of punching and kicking, thus, many other alleys of Tai'chi was left unexplored in this match.

I'm sure if we tried say, boxing, against these guys it would be very interesting (not saying any style is better than the other).

[Blackdog23a]

Very nice wrestling, nice readinf of balance from the reader and rootedness.

[Kwimalo]

Looks like garbage from Sumo and Greco-Roman wrestling. Shameful.

[stevet000]

Great competition. Many people are brainwashed into thinking tai chi is something that you are going to move slowly and just touch your opponent and he will fly away. That's not going to happen with 2 equally matched opponents. tai chi has many wrestling and grappling moves in it. You won't learn that at a Chen seminar.

[seinchen0103]

我自己曾經比過連續幾年的推手比賽,也有30幾場的經驗,我只能­說,李師傅是高手,阮師傅很多次想猛推李師傅,可是他碰的到推不­到,不是阮師傅沒有力,是他用不上,在這種近距離接觸下,李師傅­同時完成讓對方失去著力點,並且找尋自己的最佳著力點,

蠻力,柔跤,會卸力,腳底生根,這些都是不一樣的,李師傅具備有­會卸力及腳底生根,這兩種特質,這是有太極的功夫在裡面了

[Siddthartha]

people, this is absolutely not wrestling.

[diestroduende]

That last throw was hilarious.

[WarriorBoy]

Camo pants got slammed!!!!! DAMN!

[iancipperly]

Nice tuishou competition!

[deadlypete1]

thats wrestling

[nbn8]

摔角太極啦

[taijihugo]

摔角用抓拿,太極用粘連.

[Rabbit9586210]

@nbn8 這稱不上是太極吧= = 一點太極的渣都沒有

[newdarkofpolo]

@Rabbit9586210 您想像中的太極應該還是什麼以柔克剛、老頭子輕飄飄的隨手把人甩­出去的畫面吧~其實沒有啦~

太極的實際運用就是學習如何將敵方的力量導引開來、然後在近身推­拉當中尋找敵方重心的破綻，破壞對方平衡身體的支撐點，基本上推­手就是學習這些，表面上看起來像是醉漢打架你推我擠，實際上有很­多很有趣的技巧在裡頭。

我也是推手運動的初學者，踏入這個領域才發現這是個很有趣的運動­呢!

[Jackyho111]

Quite interesting.

[alex168sim]

这根本就不是太极嘛！！！

[egglot12]

is that push hands or wrestling?

[rongwcw]

我怎么看怎么不像太极啊

[MasterDragonNinja]

lol 1:50 he got jerseyed!

[john113tw]

這根本是摔角比賽嘛...

[thinice2k]

i like how they help each other up and do not appear to be too aggressive. most honorable. not like MMA.

[Smokingdonkey]

right... u r just another little hater on the net.

[meigs666]

@thinice2k in mma we do help each other and respect our opponent ,check my vid and you will see .if someone is not able to respect the other he will not be able to fight again becuz mma is built on martial art,even if we are aggressive

[MrDez45]

I see more wrestling than tai chi

[adam73k]

hhe is a good one

[Siddthartha]

really not bad

[emiklchen]

這片輸家自己貼過 輸家非常推崇贏家功夫 也以跟贏家比賽為榮 是個真正的運動家

[rsobrien]

What are the rules exactly? What kind of grips are allowed?

[floppytomb]

好功夫！矮个子深得太极味道，劲力整。高个子太相信自己的肢体力­量了，腰劲有点散。

[ltk0020]

某人瞬間掉進恥笑地獄中

[taijihugo]

李天金師傅是陳家溝專業高手,2008年中央電視台陳式太極擂台­賽季軍,能夠在擂台上與他比賽是難得機會.

[keungtam]

练的是摔跤好不好

[jooloog]

这有劲吗？全是力

[taijihugo]

請問勁是不用力嗎?

[jooloog]

google：劲与力的区别

[taijihugo]

局部的為力,如臂力.全身的整力為勁.

[jooloog]

哦，是吗？我还以为肌肉伸缩为外力，呼吸间内气运用是内劲呢！

[madlee0110]

精彩！

[OneAngryAsian]

Am I missing something? This looks like judo.

[beesacyboi]

well, the movements does look like taichi. his bodymovements are moving at the motion of a taichi artist. However, there are just too many different style of taichi out there...maybe that's what confuses you.

[Bemap30]

His strenght and technique all come from taichi practise. his opponent is taller and probably stronger than him, but he is unable to throw him down or push him out of balance. You can't really see his bodymovement or technique because it is close combat wrestling(sanshou). If it was real combat from a distance you would clearly see his taichi technique.

[BritishRacingGreen]

Tou shou (push hands) is not the same as sanshou. Too many people get the two confused.

[yigerenbq2]

牛

[sweetsweatyfeet]

This is wrestling and not very good wrestling. A good olympic class free style wrestler could easily take this guy down.

[acquafredda75]

Totally with U.If they are not able to perform real sensitivity,wrestling is far better.

[XuZhangWang]

I agree that these guyes are not olympic class athletes. But on the other hand they are clearly not in the same weight division, and it would be interesting to see how a sportsman would handle someone that much larger and stronger.

[ljgshkg]

這種看起來很硬來的... 推... 手.... 看過後有點面上無光的感覺... 以前聽說過有人練啥米鐵布衫參加推手比賽我還當笑話聽... 今日一看... 唉...

[TheNotoriousMrZ]

crap...

[u1bearym]

勁力じゃなくて、

思いっきり力使ってんじゃんｗｗｗ

勁力使わないと意味無いじゃんｗｗｗ

[OoDCoO]

太极并不是不用力气 而且比赛规则不许大头 不许攻击性掌击 你不摔让他怎么办？红腰带的之所以摔不倒 是因为他会卸力 这绝对就是太极拳的一种发力方法 如果不主动攻击 怎么赢？

[Tianshou88]

looks more like bad shuai jiao to me

[denzuko1]

These 2 players suck and disgraces Taiji. Its better that they go and participate in wrestling instead.

[CecilTerwilliger]

If you could point me to video of better taiji I would be interested, because the video above is far and away better than anything else I've ever seen on youtube.

[denzuko1]

I only goes to show that Tui Shou competition needs overhaul. What we are seeing in competition today have mispplaced the original intention of Tui Shou.

[harpoonflyby]

and i'll bet next you'll tell us the original intent of tuishou

[denzuko1]

No-lah, not going to do that, I am sure you know enough about push hands.

[kenh2o]

Agree and disagree. Taiji push hand is not designed as a form of competition; it original intent is to practice "understanding your own & listening your opponent's force". Once the listening skill improves, Taiji practitioners should start doing sparing exercise.

[denzuko1]

You are right on all accounts. In fact it more fun doing it as a practise than competition.

[TheZhongzheng]

@denzuko1 Not really younger people need to test the skills.

[neilrosiak]

The stout man has real tai chi grappling skills. Those of you who think otherwise are clueless.

[tmwc2003]

把對方抱起，然後摔到地上，這就不是巧力，顯然他可以舉起一百磅­以上的東西。

[tmwc2003]

這是「鬥力」而不是「懂己之勁和懂人之勁」，當然太極拳亦不免是­技擊性的武術。在太極拳來說，任何一方讓他方能夠「埋身」，功夫­就是未到家...。沒有見過李少龍有人可以埋身。

這就止能一如 ueiyuh 君所說「第一次看到像摔角的推手...。」

[tmwc2003]

又話唔使用力...似乎力大無窮。

[taijihugo]

太極是用巧力,不是沒有力.

[qiankundanuoyi1]

what is this? taijiquan? i can laugh my ass out. this isn't real at all. this is a fake

[khlun]

This is tragic for taijiquan when people think push hand can only be graceful when the persons are not competing. If people have the chance to see real masters who do it the without strength way, they known the power of taiji. i don't think the 2 guys can stand top wrestlers or other martial art fighters.

[markohu]

amazing real tai ji quan

from Italy

[ueiyuh]

第一次看到像摔角的推手...= ="

[NreeKelBastardos]

It's interesting that push hands competitions often end up in something resembling san shou. I guess it's closer to a real fight in that most folks in a real fight go for holds on the body especially if they are not striking.

[khlun]

push hand ends up to wrestling cause it is a competition instead of training to find out the weak points of your opponent and yourself. If people is so eager to fight, try free hand not push hand!

[Rhizomio]

Red Sash Man trains hard for this!

[apathy11303]

The taller person isnt that good at sinking the core to avoid loosing balance... This is the same problem that alot of taller wrestlers endure b/c they arent used to "dropping their weight." That's how I got alot of slams during high school wrestling...

[woochizen]

感谢TaiJihugo送上阮维新的心声(info)。谢谢他的­解说，我才明白是啥回事。我是旁观者迷，不知有多少人像我这般雾­里看花。阮先生体积庞大，李天金师父与他的对决看似不可能的任务­。经阮先生说明，这才了解其中的奥妙变化。看似蛮牛比拼，其实不­是那回事。谢谢阮先生！谢谢TaiJihugo!

[theshadowboy607]

shuai jiao

[marder135]

著背心果位識吾識推手？

[brada11112]

摔跤啊

[blajing]

Where's the push hands?

[lynfls]

垃圾

[linuxva]

Judo-Taichi

[HYPNOSISWORKS123]

Awesome technique my man!!!!

[historytellme]

man in white keeps trying unbalance the green pants man. the green pants man doesn't using push hand skills but wrestling. besides, what the the green pants man using obveriously is 外家拳

[Square41]

This is definitely more like wrestling than push hands. I mean where, in this video, do we see the merits of the standing post training? These men have a good start with the push hands until they lock up and start wrestling for the ground, when a good internal martial artist would just sink low into his stance and use his body to throw a guy like that away.

[chessman71]

Unfortunately it isn't that easy. "Just" sinking and throwing can be difficult. And the merits of standing post aren't shown by standing still as you might expect. This is moving push hands, not stationary. The smaller guy is actually quite skilled and taijiquan DOES have shuai jiao technique, so this is a legitimate expression of taiji. Think of all those throws in the applications.

[wlc514]

This is wrestling...they are not pushing hand at all... you can just tell.

[guynamedtroy]

What I can tell is that you have no idea what real Taiji looks like. Taiji IS wrestling.

[littlecannon]

I do and it looks nothing like this. Please tell me where in the taiji texts and classics does it say that taijiquan is wrestling? To say that just disregards the rest of the art. I suppose JKD is just boxing then? How did an art where Yang Lu Chan was known to draw blood with every step end up like this? Grand Ultimate this is not. It's ego based competition. fine, if that's what floats your boat. Push hands is meant to be a training method with both people learning principles.

[guynamedtroy]

Perhaps my comment did not do Taiji as much justice, but much of Taiji is wrestling. I was reading somewhere that it wasn't until early to mid 20th century that Taiji was considered to have a lot of strikes in it.

When people think of wrestling, of course you think of moving people around in what looks like a forceful way but really isn't. People who talk they way you do have limited experience working with uncooperative opponents.

[lbrother88]

taiji might look very pretty when you see people doing the form. but this is freestyle push hand. this is wat it looks like when you use it for fighting. It is ugly but practical.

[MaQingYi]

unless you are frikin amazing at it anyways, the masters look slightly more... elegant, depending

[littlecannon]

Wow.. you can really see the principles of taijiquan here can't you. Push hands is not a competition and this is wrestling. Where is the sticking, adhering, connect and following. Subtle power? no where to be seen.

[TDK555888]

唉～！

真是【一個太極，各自表述】

[fsandy008]

这个是柔道吧？虽然加了些太极技巧在里面，身体支撑点什么的，但­整体看还是像柔道啊？？

[taijihugo]

太極是借人之力,不是沒有力.

[platinazb]

Seriously thought, this is more like wrestling than Tai Chi...

[sbho]

根本是鬥力, 推手個屁!

[theshadowboy607]

cool

[freefight9999]

what do pushing hands training for ?

These kind of competition are ignorant of Taichi. The organisor simply distorted the meaning of taichi pushing hands or they even don't understand chinese martial arts at all.

They are just created a new kind of meaningless sports.

[Fettleibig]

Bullshit, that's what they do in China and it is part of taiji and it is good for understanding some things !

[hawkhawk81]

wat to u understand? taiji or judo?

-.-

[hawkhawk81]

wat to u understand? taiji or judo?

-.-

[freefight9999]

someone do this in China does not mean it's taichi.  If you treat this as part of taichi training, i'm 100% sure you will not be able to fight by TaiChi thru your whole life.

咩叫聽勁你都未識就牙斬斬

[Fettleibig]

I am shure you are a graet master of internal gong-fu. That you can judge people just be reading there comment. But i will tell you why i think it should be part of the training. I think it helps you to understand how you can afect other bodys by useing youre entire body. It shows you leaks of realaxing you have, and its a great way to prepare free-pushhands without the dangerous of big injurys. Its perfect to lose feare of oponents. Just because some people use tomuch strength dosn´t mean it is

[Fettleibig]

a bad methode. Taiji is a prinzip and you can put this prinzip in everything you want to.

and its not somone who does it its every biger Taijischool in China, and in many other countrys of the world. I have trained for half a year in chenjiagou, and it is at least 3 houres doing this. One point i forgot is that it is helping you to get a feeling for Fa li.

[freefight9999]

推來推去攬來攬去叫推手 ?

You are insulting chinese martial arts.

[Fettleibig]

What a great and constructive comment.

Thank you for that.

[chunghermancc]

absolute agree!

[ambus4567890]

比較象是摔跤

[taijihugo]

太極推手不能用手抓衣服,不能用雙手將對手抱起.

[Bluesiytangco]

This is a great example of Taiji skills in a competitive arena. Thanks for posting. It's still amazing how some people have a distorted image of what competitive push hands should look like. Noncompetitive push hands in a learning environment is one thing, but the competitive arena has limited rules and the expression of Taiji within these rules looks pretty much like this.

[kenleon63]

this is wrestling.... not taichi push hand

[NTNGUYEN]

maybe the practitioner is using more of force rather than soft yielding and skills. However, to correct some comments below. Tai Chi is a COMPLETE system. It has certain techniques similar to shuai jiao, white crane, throws, joint locks, and strikes that seem similar to even karate and shaolin (if u look at some chen style movements).

[taijihugo]

Kung Fu is inside your body. Taiji is Kung Fu also.

[JianChuanTaiChi]

Actually the winner has pretty good tai chi skills.. The bigger dude didnt have a chance!

[ashwix]

taiji's essence is chinese wrestling(shuaijiao)...unfortu­nately, in combat, taiji is not as effective as chinese wrestling. Any average wrestler can win in a taiji push hands competition without learning one-hour or taiji.... sad but true.

[ashwix]

typo... Any average Shuaijiao fighter can win in a Taiji push hands competition without learning one-hour OF Taiji. It is a bitter and hard-to-swallow pill for most Taiji people out there...

[andymach33]

nice try ashwix, but in 1970 60 yr old taiji master huang xingxian defeated the 40 yr old champion wrestler liao kuangcheng 26 throws to 0. liao kuang was also 10kgs heavier than huang but still couldnt touch him. wrestlers have no chance against real taiji players.

[sebastianbrosche]

word. "???? ????"

[SmurfisaBucketeer]

If this is taiji push hand than i would rather watch Sumo, Judo or western wrestling.