I suppose your not looking at the Ryan plan which gets rid of medicare completely and cuts 700 billion from medicaid.Why aren't you protesting that? Our president if elected again will cut the deficit by 4 trillion over 12 years. CONTRARY to Paul Ryan's plan the President's plan will have a more balanced approach with a theme of shared sacrifice shared prosperity. But of corse sharing is socialism and taxation of the top 1% makes him the anti-christ. Vote OBAMA 2012 the guy whose not crazy
Please... PLEASE PUH-LEESE gain the republican nomination for President in 2012!!!!! You'll loose so badly your MASSIVE EGO will never recover and hopefully GO AWAY. STOP LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Mediare part D they rammed it through with no plans on how to pay for it and come to find out it will add to the US debt by 400 billion in the first 10 years and then trillions after. This is the hypocrisy of the current republican party.
The rally to stop the health care take over is now being called a "hate speech" rally.
I really wish the liberals would come up with something more creative than accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being hateful. The very fact that they do so just shows that they really have no honest defense for their position.
@Jesse859 its no different then when conservatives wrap themselves in the flag and bible and say if your against me then your against this. Republicans are great at wording things that are bad to make them sound patriotic. Few examples: PATRIOT ACT. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND
How warped and delusional Bachman and Hannity are. There is no such thing as death panels you insane people and the government never has and will not with the much needed health reform pay for abortion. They are only sweating about the taxes because both are filthy rich and they will have to pay not the middle and lower class. Bachman is a MORON from the party of NO!
Michelle, I'm not from your state, but I came to DC when you called. It was a surreal experience. We went to the visitor's center before the house call began to use the restrooms, and inside there, school children were inside learning about our government like it was any other day at DisneyLand. While around the front of the building, their Grandparents were protesting what was going on inside. It was amazing. Thank you standing up for America's values!
The EPA is nothing but a radical left-wing activist group masquerading as a governemenr agency. This is the group that convinced the Supreme Court that carbon dioxide is a pollutant. They constanty cripple the fossil fuel industry with needless and arbitrary rules and red tape to hamper productivity and damage our energy industry. Shake that indoctrination out of your head, they are not what they seem.
If you read below, you'll see it was greenthumb who said he would gladly pay an extra $150 to give someone health care. I never said anything of the sort.
Yes it was me who said that if my taxes are raised a little bit every year and the end result was a system that would keep people from going broke trying to pay medical bills, i would gladly do it. Its called compassion, social conscience, and an obligation to give back to the society that has given so much to me.
So because you're willing to give your money to someone who may or may not be genuinely in need of it, we should all be forced to surrender more of our income? And I particularly like how you will pay.. As long as it's not too much. Libs put a price on human life now?
They move work out of the country because all the regulation and red tape the gov't put in place at the behest of liberal groups like the EPA and Sierra Club.
Yeah, that damn EPA trying to keep the shit out of our rivers and black smoke out of our skies! And that damn Sierra Club trying to protect our public lands from strip mines and giving us a place to relax on vacation without having to look at smog and turds floating in the lakes. Those bastards...
Large corporations have to move work out of the country because the taxes the government impose on them. I guarantee that of the gov't got their hands out of the private sector, jobs would increase.
Yes, you liberals careabout your fellow man so much that you'll tax the hell out of them! It is not my job to pay for health insurance for someone who can't. And what about my life? I have plenty of bills and my money is tight. What if I can't afford these taxes? Ever think of that, jackass?
You really are an economic illiterate. How are businesses supposed to hire people and expand when they're being taxed out the ass? And I'm all for getting lobbyists out of Congress, but no country ever excelled by giving handouts. What have I done to these people that puts me in debt to them and mandates I pay for their health care? And as for my guns, molon labe.
If the big corps and super rich paid their fair share in taxes instead of hiding it off shore, we'd have more to work with. In the past, companies reinvested in research and development, and created products that advanced our society.
And it's quite enlightening that someone whoclaimsto e poor and working their ass off has a computer with and Internet connection and time to spend posting commnts on YouTube.
The very welfare state you promote is the cause of the lack of mobility. Without a reason to work and earn their own way, people sit on their asses and collect checks from Uncle Sam. Why work when the government provides you with food stamps, housing, and transportation? Explain to me how even with all the entitlement programs we have, the system is still "setting people up to fail".
No society is perfect, none ever was, and none ever will be. And yes, my philosophy is love it or leave it. Tell me how, without violating the Constitution, we can make this utopia you make seem so feasible.
Sure. Strong safety net at the bottom, high taxes at the top. Put money back into education so people can think for themselves- critical thinking ring a bell? Get the corporate lobbyists out of my Congress so I can be represented again. And give everyone some healthcare- no pursuit of happiness, life , or liberty when you're sick. Then I'd go after the guns.
Michele Bachmann promotes adherence to our nation's ideals and founding documents. The fact that you consider them "drivel" betrays you for the phony you are. If you hate this country so much, renounce your citizenship and move to a country that better suits you.
What Michele Bachmann promotes is dangerously close to sedition and treason. When some wing-nut pulls out a gun at town hall or a "tea party" the blood will be on her hands too.
Social mobility is low because the Roosevelt-era welfare programs give people no incentive to excel. Certain people choose to sit on their asses collecting other people's money, and others reject that idea and work hard to make a better life for themselves.
Social mobility is at an ALL TIME LOW chiefly because of the lack of guaranteed healthcare in this country.
I am poor, but I work my ass off to keep a meal on the table and the dogs at bay. Don't dare tell me I have no incentive to excel. I'm putting myself through college to better my life. You want to talk ideology-ie drivel- when people are dying and starving in your own country because of a system that sets you up for failure if you are born poor.
Of course everyone gas an equal opprotunity to succeed. Capitalism has unequal outcomes, all based on every individual's willingness to work hard and better himself. Capitalism and a free market is what took us from a ragged republic to the most powerful nation in the world, in a shorter period of time than other nations have been in existence. It's nonsensical to look at all the good our system has done and say it's bankrupting us.
You might want to take a 21st century look at this country. Look up the words corprotocracy and plutocacy. There's where your ideal has gone. Hey, I love this country as much as the next guy- that's not the issue. But this country has some serious issues to address, and poverty and finacial inequalities are top of the list. Look out your door, past your ideology, people are suffering in this country, and all I hear is 'Marxism doen't work' DUUHHHH. So... the question is- WHAT DOES?
I made some good comments on here, but they have all been deleted. When Michele Bachmann finds out that the person in charge of her YouTube Account has a problem with Freedom of Speech....she will NOT be happy.
It's very amusing to me that you liberal fascists wrap your agenda in the flag and call it "social justice". Classic liberalism is about promoting individual rights and freedoms, and respecting all views held by others. This is held in stark contrast to modern liberalism, where those who disagree with your opinions are "nut jobs", "rednecks" and "mental slaves". Thomas Jefferson was a classical liberal, and he would resent everything you close-minded modern libs promote.
What, like compasson, trust , and tolerance for our fellow citizens- all of them. I used to be a very easy going liberal, tolerant of others opinion, and others were tolerant of mine. Those days are gone- now it's impossible to have a civil conversaton with nut jobs who believe the drivel Bachman et al. puke out. I've been open minded with the new cons long enough- now I AM JUST PISSED. Apparently, what America makes well is crazy people, not jobs.
Well gee, maybe we're just getting tired of being called liberal fascists because we care about the well being of our fellow human beings. When a person who works hard but can't afford insurance has to declare bankruptcy it puts a even greater strain on the system. Also, when people start talking about concentration camps in the US, re-education camps, communist plots seceeding from the Union, birth certificates, they're gonna get called nut-jobs.
People who believe in the free market don't believe poor people deserve to be poor. Everyoe in this country is given the opprotunity to succeed despite their circumstances. Americans are compassionate people, more than willing to help those who genuinely can't help themselves, but we protect what we earn, and rightfully so.
How are people who want nothing more than freedom from intrusive government policies "mental slaves"? Our Founders knew the less government, the better. Quit bitching about corporations, they don't have the power to arrest and fine you for not agreeing with them. The blind ideology of the Left has bankrupted societies for centuries. Marxism does not work.
Marxism DID not work. That ideology is dead, dead, dead. Yes, and now capitalism is bankrupting this country. Social mobility in this country is at an all time low- so everyone in this country DOES NOT have the same opportunity to succeed despite their circumstances. Once again, listening to what you want to hear instead of the truth.
I want my country back from the fanatically religious who have more in common with suicide bombers than the middle class, the free- market zealots who believe that Social Darwinism is OK- the poor MUSTdeserve it, the right wing nut cases who can't think past the Bachman/Hannity/Limbaugh/Beck flawed analyses, those who say 'evolution is just a theory', all the gun hoarders waiting to 'spill the blood of patriots', and the pasty white guys running the whole show from the boardroom.
I'm with you...Its scary how these people claim to be all about freedom, but they're mental slaves. They want their freedom but feel no obligation to their country or fellow human beings. They wrap themselves in flag and betray us all. reasonable, intelligent people must stand up to these people. I'm glad you're doing your part...
Nobody in America is entitled to anything except the rights of life (meaning the right to live), liberty (right to live free), and the pursuit of happiness. And don't try to construe right to life to be a right for someoe else to pay your hospital bills. Liberals do nothing but complain and try to create "rights" they feel they're entitled to.
I know one thing about the Constitution- it was written to protect 'We the People' from tyanny. That tyranny now presents itself as a monolith of corporate power. Who will stand between me and that corporate power that wants to deny me what I've paid for- in this case, health care. In a country that professes equality for all men, we are the most unequal society of all the industrialized countries. When the top 0.5% makes 400 times the bottom 50%, buddy, you got problems- called corportocracy.
General welfare applies to things like police, firefighters, postal workers, roads, bridges, etc. The General Welfare clause does not grant authority for the creation of a welfare state.
Your argument is ludicrous. "It doesn't say they can do it, but it doesn't say they CAN'T do it." has to be the most inane thing I've ever heard. The government doesn't get to decide why they can and can't do, the Constitution TELLS them what they can do, and just because there's nothing there that prevents ten from doing it, doesn't make whatever they do Constitutional.
Of course "General Welfare" doesn't mean health care. If the article could be interpreted that broadly, it would render the entire Constitution meaningless. The Founders were strong proponents of individual freedom, and the idea of their government forcing them to buy a service would be appalling to them.
I fully support the right of Bachmann's stalkers to carry guns, even at her town halls, but I sure hope none of them shoot her. That would be a shame. Now don't misinterpret what I say. I'm not calling for any of them to shoot her. That would be bad and I'm certainly not the type of person to incite violence. What I'm saying is that one of her stalkers might shoot her. Who can say for sure that she absolutely won't get shot? I'm just praying that it doesn't happen.
I fully agree- all her talk of a revolution may make someone angry- but the last thing I would want to happen is for violence to break out around her. But accidents with guns do happen...
And I'll even enlighten you on a little thing called "Enumerated Powers". They are the things that the Constituion specifically allows the government to do, and compelling citizens to buy a service under penalty of taxation or jail time is not one of them.
Hey greenthumb, there is nothing in the Constitution granting the government the authority to do this. It is not legal under any article, and don't even try that "General Welfare" argument with me. If it was meant to give the government the power to force people to do things, the Founders would never have approved it.
So in your mind, "general welfare" wouldn't include health care? Plus, the constitution has been amended and interpreted so many times and in so many different ways it hardly matters what the Founders were thinking. Times change, civilizations evolve, and new ideas are necessary for the continued growth of nations.
The Constitution was written as a living document created for a dynamic society- that's us. Dyamic means it changes with time. You've hit on something here that I hadn't thought about in a long time... social progress comes hard in this country, it upsets the status quo and the 'money box' gets shaken up. But I ask, who will stand between me and the monoliths of industry when my welfare is no longer their concern, only my money? Corporations are created by the state- let the state regulate them.
Social progress is not what we want, we want individual freedom and the right to individual choices not social progress that forces out our right to choose, corpoations are still a choice if don't like one go to the other one, no no corp. are not created by the state except in a socialist society, that has to stop; no govt take over of GM, banks and Health??? STOP them now
It is shameful that in a country as great as ours, profits come before people, and it amazes me that people would put their trust in huge corporations rather than their own elected government. Without social progress, we'd have twelve year old kids working in factories and coal mines. Big corps have no allegiance to the country or us, and they will take everything they can from you until the day you die. And they own your beloved Michele Bachmann and the Republican party. (and 65 dems..)
personally there is no " beloved republican party" only a love of freedom, individual freedom.. huge corporations are not my enemy of freedom but you see them as such, governement is a threat to the freedom at least with corporations choose to business or not, the government has too much control where there is no choice, corporations are employers and subject to its clients don't be fooled by the fear of large busisness and fall for large government instead..
It's not just shameful, it's criminal. It's a scam. Here's the way that health insurance companies work it- simplified. Profits are calculated from a ratio of money paid out over money brought in- premiums. The way to make profits really big is to deny coverage (less money out) / raising premiums (more money in). See, easy. Shareholders are happy- they buy more stock. Rinse, repeat. Gauranteed: your premiums will go up about 10% a year without the gov't slappping their wrists. Endofstory.
Excuse me, corporations do not exist until they are sactioned and given charter BY THE STATE- right here in the good ole US of A. They've been granted the same rights as a 'person', and are so powerful now they are challenging the state which created them.
Social progress means blacks and women now get to vote, we don't have sweat shops for child labor, and we have buildings that don't burn down when we go to work. This is a bad thing, I guess, from your point of view.
Michele Bachmann is a great American that still believes in upholding, defend and preserving the U.S. Constitution. The facts that she points out in this video are clearly verifiable in the health care reform bill, go the the gov website and read it for yourself..
The true cancer and blight on America is the liberal mind, the entitlement and victim mentality they all seem to have. It is a shame that liberals don't believe in individual responsibility, self-reliance and the truth.
Bachman, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, and O'Reilly are the true cancers in this society. They breed fear, doubt, and controversy only- no solutions. They wrap themselves in the flag and the Constitution, but they clearly can't stand Americans.
And the next time you feel like puking, do it somewhere other than a PM to me. Coward. You want to call me a liar and mentally ill, do it in the venue at hand for all to see.
Once again name calling gets you no where, the President, himself uses threats and fear to push his questionable policies through without giving time for honest review to what they accually mean to us, the People.
Thank God we have somone in congress that is doing her job. Thanks to those, who still have American values and believe in liberty. Ahh a breath of fresh air hearing people speak the truth. God Bless you Michele. You are one of few who swore to uphold the constitution and are doing your job. I realize it's your job, but like Nancy Pelosi and many other congressmen, they throw out the very vow they make to the constitution, out the door. Fire them in 2010. They are a cancer to America. God Bless.
Fear and hatred and lies are a cancer to America. Insurance companies and other corporations telling our representatives how to vote is a cancer in America.
I must have missed your comment on the constitution. The U. S. Constitution DOES in fact have a Preamble!!! I can't debate any issue with someone that doesn't have the basic knowledge of the U.S. Constitution that you should have learned in high school!
The "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union..." Is hardly a preamble. It's more like saying "Once upon a time..."You can't debate me because you claim the health care bill is unconstitutional and you have no evidence to back up your claim.
Your give validity the old saying, "stupid liberal!" So, this is how you justify your stupidity of writing that there is no preamble to the U.S. Constitution, when in fact there is! I know how hard it is for you to admit that you were wrong, again but the facts and the facts! There are no amendments, articles or provisions in the U.S. Constitution that allow for a governmental force to buy health insurance or to fine or penalize those who choose not to buy. There's your evidence!
Actually, it was John Boehner who quoted from the Declaration of Independence and mistakenly called it the Preamble.
And you might want to watch that- not all liberals are stupid, marxist/socialists just like not all conservatives are nut cases.
Most countries that restructured after WWII chose something between socialism and democracy- strong safety net at the bottom, high taxes at the top- and these countries are doing far better than the US in many aspects regarding 'social fabric'.
This woman is toxic, and her message is rooted in the very fear-mongering ignorance that will be the downfall of this great country. She's been proven to have used "misinformation" (lies) more times than the truth and yet she is still allowed to vent her bile. Yeah, there's a patriot for ya.
Thanks for making my point perfectly. When liberals say things or post comments they instantly believe in their own minds that somehow they are true. Rarely have I ever been intelligently debated by a liberal because when I start debating with easily verifiable facts, I never hear from them again. I find it very amusing you say there was 4000 people who attended the D.C. rally, even your distorted source of news MSNBC reported there was more than 15,000.
It would be more productive and time efficient if you could tell me what is NOT socialist or marxist regarding this health care bill. This would be impossible to do because the very bill itself is unconstitutional. There are no amendments, articles or provisions in the U.S. Constitution that allow for a governmental force to buy health insurance or to fine or penalize those who choose not to buy.
Fair enough, every portion of the liberals so-called health care reform is socialist and marxist at every level.
It violates individual liberties an freedoms!
There are no amendments, articles or provisions in the U.S. Constitution that allow for a governmental force to buy health insurance or to fine those who choose not to buy.
It is never going to pass and never signed into legislation. There are to many fundamental flaws, like the 25 million + still not covered in that bill!
I've never heard so much hypocritical, lying, bullshit in such a short amount of time! MB is a sensationalist feeding the fears of people who don't realize that the COLD WAR DIED DECADES AGO. This is hype, nothing more. Americans in general need to start doing their own homework and stop believing this kind of tripe. If you believe this load of crap you need to get back into your bunker and pretend the world is coming to an end- you live in some fantasy world that eludes the rational mind.
It always amazes me that we live in a world of such vast informatin, yet we tend to listen to the ones that 'seem' to make sense before we look at the data available. It's all out there- social democracies are doing so much better than us in so many ways, we should take a look... that's all.
Netherlands has a health care system far superior to the US system at a cost of about 100 euros per month, every citizen has heath care. but it is not really "socialist", services are provided by private companies. In fact most countries have a certain degree of socialism, the US included.
I have been waiting for you to make this argument! I lived in Denmark for almost a year and your are WRONG AGAIN! It is state run and mandatory, that is Socialism. There is a competitive flat-rate for all insurance premiums, much like the Republicans have promoted here by allowing open competition across sate lines. Health care was so fractured since it's inception in 2006 and had to be modified in 2008 because it was ineffective and could potentially bankrupt it's economy.
Sorry, Netherlands (a.k.a. Holland) is not Denmark. I lived in Tilberg. Their system is fairly simple, everyone is required to purchase insurance from highly-regulated private providers. They describe it as "private health insurance with social conditions". Insurers are tightly regulated for quality, provision of basic services, and to prevent discrimination, as they are required to accept everyone in their coverage area at a flat rate, no matter what their health status.
Learn some geography, turn off Rush Limbaugh, and join the real world. Also, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what specifically in the health care bill is unconstitutional. Talk about not being able to admit you're wrong. You're a typical dittohead.
What an intelligent response. This is just what I expected, no valid argument or debate, right to the insults. Typical Liberal! Not a surprise from someone that didn't even know the U.S. Constitution does have a preamble, I think that was taught in 8th grade in high school, ha!
Um, your the one who called me a stupid liberal. And it was your beloved John Boehner who thought the preamble of the decaration of independence was the in the constitution, and he had the god damned thing in his hand! So where is your valid debate or argument. You dont know where Denmark is, yet you say you lived there. I'll give you a hint: it's not in Netherlands.
Greenthumbguy1: Back up your claim that HR 3962 is Constitutional (or for that matter that the US is constituted as a "democracy.") What part of US Constitution Article I, Sections 8 or 9, authorize HR 3962? What part of US Constitution Amendments 9 and 10 authorize HR 3962? Don't make us laugh that you are concerned by the limitations of the US Constitution on authoritarian power.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
@credulity96 Are you kidding me? There's no part of this monstrosity designated HR 3952 that is constitutional. When did I claim HR 3962 us Constitutional?
why would you know you don't know where to find the Preamble or the difference between the Constitution and The Declaration of Indepenance.. see below
Im not wrong. First of all I said Netherlands, not Denmark. (check your map...) It is NOT state run, insurance is provided by private companies, it IS highly regulated. Companies can't deny sick people or recruit only healthy people and are compensated for providing service to those who need it most. Citizens can choose which company they want and can change at any time. It's based entirely on private insurers, rather than a single payer system. YOU are wrong...
If you define 'socialism' as a Marxiist ideal, then none, because that form of gov't is DEAD. What has emerged since WWII is SOCIAL DEMOCRACY. In that context, all of them. Better in life expectancy, math & literacy, infant mortality, violent crime, imprisonment, teenage births, obesity, community trust, mental illnesses- incl. drug and alcohol addiction, and social mobility- the last largely due to guaranteed health care. Google Equality Trust UK- download the ppt slides. US is dead last.
911 There is new petition out by bold progressives that needs signatures. It has 120,000 and they want 150,000. I have the link to it in the comment section of my profile. Sign it and then pass it on!
Good News! AARP & the American Medical Assn have just announced that they're supporting the House health reform bill.
Funny you mention that. At yesterday's rally one of your republican "patriots" forgot the words to the pledge of allegiance (Freudian slip?) and the Minority leader had a copy of the constitution in his hand, and with smug authority said "let me read from the preamble of the constitution" There is no preamble to the constitution, what he quoted was the the Declaration of Independence. The real enemy of the people is the Republican party and the nutjob neocons. Traitors...
The majority of the American people see the real threat to the nation. That is the liberal socialist/marxists like Pelosi, Reid, Schummer and ALL the radical czars in this administration that are trying to pass this apocalyptic, forced so-called health care reform. If you had any valid debate or argument you would have made it, instead of childish observations. As much as you liberals whine the rally was effective and this so-called health care reform will never pass in it's current state.
You know, Republicans have been using the same "oh my god the commies are coming" scare tactics for 60 years. Where were you "patriots" when the Reagan Admin. sold missles to Iranian terrorists and gave the money to Nicaraguan terrorists? Or when Bush subverted the constitution and ordered the AG to fire prosecutors who didn't tow the party line? Democrats are trying to give people who can't afford insurance a chance and you call them Marxists. Hmm...
Congratulations- you just described exactly what the insurance lobbyists and healthcare lobbyists, and pharm co.'s lobbyists all drool over- no change, more profits, less coverage- all OK according to the guys who really run the show. Please, show your support for the guys making the bucks off of sickness and death, please.
The real death panels are already at work in your "health care" plan. Pay attention.
let's see you said some for got the pledge? who? I was there.. so where do you find the preamble? I sorta think it is part of the constitution; WE THE PEOPLE...
So, heard about the big march on Washington. I was curious to see if there was any coverage on the news stations. Low & behold , it seems there was little on the event if any. I guess I shouldnt be surprised. Is the media afraid ? History shows the most ruthless opportunist wins by foul play. I will be watching this sharp trickster administration like a hawk from now on. I guess I will have to tune into Hannity & Levin for some real reporting. I admire Michele Bachmann for her courage.
I heard one report on ABC. They equated the over 20 thousand patriots with the half dozen protesters at Joe Lieberman's office on the other side of the capitol.
Massive piece of legislation? More like massive steaming piece of crap. I want to decide what happens to my own body. Not to mention, I have friends in a socialist system and guess what? Same operation - mine was done in 3 weeks - and hers took a YEAR. That's what you have to look forward to.
But no matter which side of the issue you're on, we can't afford this program. Period. Stop spending our money, Washington!!!!!!!
Oh yes Greenboy - she is a real nut. Pelosi who is over botoxed & a liar. Pelosi is out of touch with real americans. I just loved her Oscar worthy performance about the violence she say back in the 70's. She is a wackjob!! Oh, & she only watched one race in Tues. election - RIGHT!! It is only a matter of time before Pelosi is hauled off to the looney house. We can only hope soon her face will be so frozen she will no longer be able to speak. She is about one botox shot away from a frozen face.
He or she is making the connection because of your name calling of Michele who is an honorable intellegent representative since you don't recognize that you must be in with liberals like Pelosi
FINALLY. This gal has got it together, I'm placing my bets on her and others like her to fight the good fight. This is it folks, we are waking up and true patriots are crying out FOUL! Make a difference, spread the truth, and for goodness sake, speak up to the people in charge of this garbage!
Wish I could be there today, but I will be on the phone.. email.. fax.. Twitter.... FB. Don't back down, Michele! We need you in there until we can fill those House seats in 2010!!
if i could sell stuff without being sucked by some rich power freak for my profits, then i could probably pay any doc for anything. but that would be capitalism and free trade and real america, right?, or i could make a commune that also communaly and as individuals make money selling stuff to buy nice things, but that would be a communal effort to some extent and might be communist, what a delema, if you're lame as a dead duck. wake up and get people to get people to get our country back, WE go
People who are willing to trade liberty for the security offered through government are fools. America was the first and last hope for liberty, and the people that fell for this "change" are changing it forever - in the worst ways. They are the enemies of liberty, THE ARE THE ENEMY.
One can't put this nicely and one shouldn't. This isn't about being polite anymore. Liberty is and always will be worth fighting for. Take a stand with the founders, your heritage. Don't suffer fools.
i wish i could come. i'm too broke. keep the truth coming michelle. and remind him of his promise, i quote' his promise of budget neutral~!! ...if michelle's aids read this pass it on~!! we will be taxed to pay for it, and forced to buy it.. and everyone still isn't covered? wow. im shocked at this.
Have you read the bill? I have & freedom of choice is being taken away. You are not allowed to choose the HC plan you want. Buying private ins, will be illegal. In 4 yrs health savings accts. are illegal. Americans will no longer be able to work with their doc on their own health care. Choices will be made by Obama's health commissioner. This is an outrage!! Also, once govt. takes over, they will have to the power to tell you what you can & cannot do since everything centers around your health.
Not only have I read a good portion of it but I have talked to 3 congressmen of both parties. You can grandfather your own plan in but if you lose it, you are allowed to buy from the govt. exchange. In 4 years my health savings account will not be allowed. If I am wrong then please explain why both dems and GOP agree? Also, I have been on govt. health care in the UK, France and Belgium - there is rationing for elderly based on a formula. Such a shame - the USA did have the best HC in the World
Also, I failed to mention the billions of $ in new taxes for businesses & private people. Ins. prem. are gong to go up quite a bit which means the entire idea behind "reform" did not happen. It was my understanding the preimums were skyrocketing so Congress stepped in to reduce premiums.Hmmm. my hunch is there is much more to it - like an opportunity to take over 16% of the economy as well as control people. If you want to be controlled live in China or Venezuela. America is about freedom!
The bill is written to be so complicated that it is difficult to prove what you are saying. However what you are sying is very true, some will ony see it when they are out of compliance and suffer the consequences of a harsh govt..
I agree that people should take some of the time that they have to try and read the bills that are proposed, but in this case we have ~2000 pages of tortured legal language (purposeful?) and only 72 hours to stop it. Whether or not Hannity said it the right way, the point is that all of the protests that occurred in August were ignored; they said they would take certain things out and yet there they are, still in the bill. The bill needs to be stopped.
It is a shame that they want to take our freedoms away from us. Their has to be another way but the Democrats wont listen to reason and they close their doors to the outside world. The American voters are the ones who got them where they are now, But they have proven time and time again that they don't care about the American voters but that they only care for their own personal victories. I have Liberal friends who don't want this bill shoved down their throats either
Wanna solve America's obesity epidemic? Let's start by slashing the 20 pound bill Michele speaks of!! ....And get some exercise...Up and down the steps of the Capital perhaps...I'm not liking the Hannity forum, but the message makes up for it in this case....Just Say No To Big Government!!!
I suppose your not looking at the Ryan plan which gets rid of medicare completely and cuts 700 billion from medicaid.Why aren't you protesting that? Our president if elected again will cut the deficit by 4 trillion over 12 years. CONTRARY to Paul Ryan's plan the President's plan will have a more balanced approach with a theme of shared sacrifice shared prosperity. But of corse sharing is socialism and taxation of the top 1% makes him the anti-christ. Vote OBAMA 2012 the guy whose not crazy
kdell1918 8 months ago
Please... PLEASE PUH-LEESE gain the republican nomination for President in 2012!!!!! You'll loose so badly your MASSIVE EGO will never recover and hopefully GO AWAY. STOP LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!
petergrenader 1 year ago
Look at Mediare part D they rammed it through with no plans on how to pay for it and come to find out it will add to the US debt by 400 billion in the first 10 years and then trillions after. This is the hypocrisy of the current republican party.
momentofsciencetx 1 year ago
The rally to stop the health care take over is now being called a "hate speech" rally.
I really wish the liberals would come up with something more creative than accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being hateful. The very fact that they do so just shows that they really have no honest defense for their position.
Jesse859 2 years ago
@Jesse859 its no different then when conservatives wrap themselves in the flag and bible and say if your against me then your against this. Republicans are great at wording things that are bad to make them sound patriotic. Few examples: PATRIOT ACT. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND
momentofsciencetx 1 year ago
How warped and delusional Bachman and Hannity are. There is no such thing as death panels you insane people and the government never has and will not with the much needed health reform pay for abortion. They are only sweating about the taxes because both are filthy rich and they will have to pay not the middle and lower class. Bachman is a MORON from the party of NO!
lildoeidgrl45 2 years ago
How do you know there are no provisions in the proposed bill for advisory boards for end of life counseling? Read the damn bill its in there...
nivekyaj 1 year ago
Pray for Michele Bachman: Psalm 109:8
Gosmner 2 years ago
I am so in love with this woman.
ysonyou 2 years ago
This woman is obviously insane and in desperate need of a mental health professional.
Buster9826 2 years ago
Michelle, I'm not from your state, but I came to DC when you called. It was a surreal experience. We went to the visitor's center before the house call began to use the restrooms, and inside there, school children were inside learning about our government like it was any other day at DisneyLand. While around the front of the building, their Grandparents were protesting what was going on inside. It was amazing. Thank you standing up for America's values!
cbaber1112 2 years ago
I'm already paying into Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, I would say I pay plenty to finance these failing social experiments.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
The EPA is nothing but a radical left-wing activist group masquerading as a governemenr agency. This is the group that convinced the Supreme Court that carbon dioxide is a pollutant. They constanty cripple the fossil fuel industry with needless and arbitrary rules and red tape to hamper productivity and damage our energy industry. Shake that indoctrination out of your head, they are not what they seem.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
If you read below, you'll see it was greenthumb who said he would gladly pay an extra $150 to give someone health care. I never said anything of the sort.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Yes it was me who said that if my taxes are raised a little bit every year and the end result was a system that would keep people from going broke trying to pay medical bills, i would gladly do it. Its called compassion, social conscience, and an obligation to give back to the society that has given so much to me.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
So because you're willing to give your money to someone who may or may not be genuinely in need of it, we should all be forced to surrender more of our income? And I particularly like how you will pay.. As long as it's not too much. Libs put a price on human life now?
Anarchist667 2 years ago
They move work out of the country because all the regulation and red tape the gov't put in place at the behest of liberal groups like the EPA and Sierra Club.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Yeah, that damn EPA trying to keep the shit out of our rivers and black smoke out of our skies! And that damn Sierra Club trying to protect our public lands from strip mines and giving us a place to relax on vacation without having to look at smog and turds floating in the lakes. Those bastards...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Large corporations have to move work out of the country because the taxes the government impose on them. I guarantee that of the gov't got their hands out of the private sector, jobs would increase.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
They move work out of the country so they don't have to pay us a decent wage.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Thats my point, they dont pay taxes! They'd rather pollute some other country and pay thier citizens .75 an hour.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Yes, you liberals careabout your fellow man so much that you'll tax the hell out of them! It is not my job to pay for health insurance for someone who can't. And what about my life? I have plenty of bills and my money is tight. What if I can't afford these taxes? Ever think of that, jackass?
Anarchist667 2 years ago
My money is tight too and I pay my fair share in taxes but if 150 bucks a year will help keep someone from a medical bankruptcy, I'll gladly pay.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
You really are an economic illiterate. How are businesses supposed to hire people and expand when they're being taxed out the ass? And I'm all for getting lobbyists out of Congress, but no country ever excelled by giving handouts. What have I done to these people that puts me in debt to them and mandates I pay for their health care? And as for my guns, molon labe.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
If the big corps and super rich paid their fair share in taxes instead of hiding it off shore, we'd have more to work with. In the past, companies reinvested in research and development, and created products that advanced our society.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
And it's quite enlightening that someone whoclaimsto e poor and working their ass off has a computer with and Internet connection and time to spend posting commnts on YouTube.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
In Netherlands, Internet is free to all citizens.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
The very welfare state you promote is the cause of the lack of mobility. Without a reason to work and earn their own way, people sit on their asses and collect checks from Uncle Sam. Why work when the government provides you with food stamps, housing, and transportation? Explain to me how even with all the entitlement programs we have, the system is still "setting people up to fail".
Anarchist667 2 years ago
No society is perfect, none ever was, and none ever will be. And yes, my philosophy is love it or leave it. Tell me how, without violating the Constitution, we can make this utopia you make seem so feasible.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Sure. Strong safety net at the bottom, high taxes at the top. Put money back into education so people can think for themselves- critical thinking ring a bell? Get the corporate lobbyists out of my Congress so I can be represented again. And give everyone some healthcare- no pursuit of happiness, life , or liberty when you're sick. Then I'd go after the guns.
julsHz 2 years ago 2
Michele Bachmann promotes adherence to our nation's ideals and founding documents. The fact that you consider them "drivel" betrays you for the phony you are. If you hate this country so much, renounce your citizenship and move to a country that better suits you.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Always the myopic answer- Love it or leave it. Man that died in the 70's. Have you skipped a few decades?
julsHz 2 years ago
What Michele Bachmann promotes is dangerously close to sedition and treason. When some wing-nut pulls out a gun at town hall or a "tea party" the blood will be on her hands too.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Social mobility is low because the Roosevelt-era welfare programs give people no incentive to excel. Certain people choose to sit on their asses collecting other people's money, and others reject that idea and work hard to make a better life for themselves.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Social mobility is at an ALL TIME LOW chiefly because of the lack of guaranteed healthcare in this country.
I am poor, but I work my ass off to keep a meal on the table and the dogs at bay. Don't dare tell me I have no incentive to excel. I'm putting myself through college to better my life. You want to talk ideology-ie drivel- when people are dying and starving in your own country because of a system that sets you up for failure if you are born poor.
julsHz 2 years ago
Of course everyone gas an equal opprotunity to succeed. Capitalism has unequal outcomes, all based on every individual's willingness to work hard and better himself. Capitalism and a free market is what took us from a ragged republic to the most powerful nation in the world, in a shorter period of time than other nations have been in existence. It's nonsensical to look at all the good our system has done and say it's bankrupting us.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
You might want to take a 21st century look at this country. Look up the words corprotocracy and plutocacy. There's where your ideal has gone. Hey, I love this country as much as the next guy- that's not the issue. But this country has some serious issues to address, and poverty and finacial inequalities are top of the list. Look out your door, past your ideology, people are suffering in this country, and all I hear is 'Marxism doen't work' DUUHHHH. So... the question is- WHAT DOES?
julsHz 2 years ago
I made some good comments on here, but they have all been deleted. When Michele Bachmann finds out that the person in charge of her YouTube Account has a problem with Freedom of Speech....she will NOT be happy.
Beacom1sm 2 years ago
It's very amusing to me that you liberal fascists wrap your agenda in the flag and call it "social justice". Classic liberalism is about promoting individual rights and freedoms, and respecting all views held by others. This is held in stark contrast to modern liberalism, where those who disagree with your opinions are "nut jobs", "rednecks" and "mental slaves". Thomas Jefferson was a classical liberal, and he would resent everything you close-minded modern libs promote.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
What, like compasson, trust , and tolerance for our fellow citizens- all of them. I used to be a very easy going liberal, tolerant of others opinion, and others were tolerant of mine. Those days are gone- now it's impossible to have a civil conversaton with nut jobs who believe the drivel Bachman et al. puke out. I've been open minded with the new cons long enough- now I AM JUST PISSED. Apparently, what America makes well is crazy people, not jobs.
julsHz 2 years ago 2
Well gee, maybe we're just getting tired of being called liberal fascists because we care about the well being of our fellow human beings. When a person who works hard but can't afford insurance has to declare bankruptcy it puts a even greater strain on the system. Also, when people start talking about concentration camps in the US, re-education camps, communist plots seceeding from the Union, birth certificates, they're gonna get called nut-jobs.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
People who believe in the free market don't believe poor people deserve to be poor. Everyoe in this country is given the opprotunity to succeed despite their circumstances. Americans are compassionate people, more than willing to help those who genuinely can't help themselves, but we protect what we earn, and rightfully so.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
How are people who want nothing more than freedom from intrusive government policies "mental slaves"? Our Founders knew the less government, the better. Quit bitching about corporations, they don't have the power to arrest and fine you for not agreeing with them. The blind ideology of the Left has bankrupted societies for centuries. Marxism does not work.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Marxism DID not work. That ideology is dead, dead, dead. Yes, and now capitalism is bankrupting this country. Social mobility in this country is at an all time low- so everyone in this country DOES NOT have the same opportunity to succeed despite their circumstances. Once again, listening to what you want to hear instead of the truth.
julsHz 2 years ago
I want my country back from the fanatically religious who have more in common with suicide bombers than the middle class, the free- market zealots who believe that Social Darwinism is OK- the poor MUSTdeserve it, the right wing nut cases who can't think past the Bachman/Hannity/Limbaugh/Beck flawed analyses, those who say 'evolution is just a theory', all the gun hoarders waiting to 'spill the blood of patriots', and the pasty white guys running the whole show from the boardroom.
julsHz 2 years ago
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...and I'll get it.
julsHz 2 years ago
I'm with you...Its scary how these people claim to be all about freedom, but they're mental slaves. They want their freedom but feel no obligation to their country or fellow human beings. They wrap themselves in flag and betray us all. reasonable, intelligent people must stand up to these people. I'm glad you're doing your part...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
If John McCain was elected president, and he, instead of Barack Obama, proposed the same healthcare plan...
.....I truly believe HATCH would have enthusiastically endorsed the very legislation that he vigorously opposes today..
U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights
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Party
Beacom1sm 2 years ago 3
If the U.S. Government can force the American People to buy health insurance....
Senator Hatch said,
"Then Theres Literally Nothing the Federal Government Cant Force Us to Do
I agree with the Republican Senator, but where was he when George W. Bush tripled the size of government?
I'm SO frustrated with this LEFT/RIGHT paradigm.
Beacom1sm 2 years ago
Nobody in America is entitled to anything except the rights of life (meaning the right to live), liberty (right to live free), and the pursuit of happiness. And don't try to construe right to life to be a right for someoe else to pay your hospital bills. Liberals do nothing but complain and try to create "rights" they feel they're entitled to.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
I know one thing about the Constitution- it was written to protect 'We the People' from tyanny. That tyranny now presents itself as a monolith of corporate power. Who will stand between me and that corporate power that wants to deny me what I've paid for- in this case, health care. In a country that professes equality for all men, we are the most unequal society of all the industrialized countries. When the top 0.5% makes 400 times the bottom 50%, buddy, you got problems- called corportocracy.
julsHz 2 years ago
General welfare applies to things like police, firefighters, postal workers, roads, bridges, etc. The General Welfare clause does not grant authority for the creation of a welfare state.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Your argument is ludicrous. "It doesn't say they can do it, but it doesn't say they CAN'T do it." has to be the most inane thing I've ever heard. The government doesn't get to decide why they can and can't do, the Constitution TELLS them what they can do, and just because there's nothing there that prevents ten from doing it, doesn't make whatever they do Constitutional.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Of course "General Welfare" doesn't mean health care. If the article could be interpreted that broadly, it would render the entire Constitution meaningless. The Founders were strong proponents of individual freedom, and the idea of their government forcing them to buy a service would be appalling to them.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
The Founding Fathers were progressives, ie liberals. Chew on that.
julsHz 2 years ago 2
I fully support the right of Bachmann's stalkers to carry guns, even at her town halls, but I sure hope none of them shoot her. That would be a shame. Now don't misinterpret what I say. I'm not calling for any of them to shoot her. That would be bad and I'm certainly not the type of person to incite violence. What I'm saying is that one of her stalkers might shoot her. Who can say for sure that she absolutely won't get shot? I'm just praying that it doesn't happen.
Gosmner 2 years ago 3
I fully agree- all her talk of a revolution may make someone angry- but the last thing I would want to happen is for violence to break out around her. But accidents with guns do happen...
julsHz 2 years ago
And I'll even enlighten you on a little thing called "Enumerated Powers". They are the things that the Constituion specifically allows the government to do, and compelling citizens to buy a service under penalty of taxation or jail time is not one of them.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
Hey greenthumb, there is nothing in the Constitution granting the government the authority to do this. It is not legal under any article, and don't even try that "General Welfare" argument with me. If it was meant to give the government the power to force people to do things, the Founders would never have approved it.
Anarchist667 2 years ago
So in your mind, "general welfare" wouldn't include health care? Plus, the constitution has been amended and interpreted so many times and in so many different ways it hardly matters what the Founders were thinking. Times change, civilizations evolve, and new ideas are necessary for the continued growth of nations.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
The Constitution was written as a living document created for a dynamic society- that's us. Dyamic means it changes with time. You've hit on something here that I hadn't thought about in a long time... social progress comes hard in this country, it upsets the status quo and the 'money box' gets shaken up. But I ask, who will stand between me and the monoliths of industry when my welfare is no longer their concern, only my money? Corporations are created by the state- let the state regulate them.
julsHz 2 years ago 3
Social progress is not what we want, we want individual freedom and the right to individual choices not social progress that forces out our right to choose, corpoations are still a choice if don't like one go to the other one, no no corp. are not created by the state except in a socialist society, that has to stop; no govt take over of GM, banks and Health??? STOP them now
nivekyaj 2 years ago
It is shameful that in a country as great as ours, profits come before people, and it amazes me that people would put their trust in huge corporations rather than their own elected government. Without social progress, we'd have twelve year old kids working in factories and coal mines. Big corps have no allegiance to the country or us, and they will take everything they can from you until the day you die. And they own your beloved Michele Bachmann and the Republican party. (and 65 dems..)
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
personally there is no " beloved republican party" only a love of freedom, individual freedom.. huge corporations are not my enemy of freedom but you see them as such, governement is a threat to the freedom at least with corporations choose to business or not, the government has too much control where there is no choice, corporations are employers and subject to its clients don't be fooled by the fear of large busisness and fall for large government instead..
nivekyaj 2 years ago
It's not just shameful, it's criminal. It's a scam. Here's the way that health insurance companies work it- simplified. Profits are calculated from a ratio of money paid out over money brought in- premiums. The way to make profits really big is to deny coverage (less money out) / raising premiums (more money in). See, easy. Shareholders are happy- they buy more stock. Rinse, repeat. Gauranteed: your premiums will go up about 10% a year without the gov't slappping their wrists. Endofstory.
julsHz 2 years ago
Excuse me, corporations do not exist until they are sactioned and given charter BY THE STATE- right here in the good ole US of A. They've been granted the same rights as a 'person', and are so powerful now they are challenging the state which created them.
Social progress means blacks and women now get to vote, we don't have sweat shops for child labor, and we have buildings that don't burn down when we go to work. This is a bad thing, I guess, from your point of view.
julsHz 2 years ago
It's legal if it's made into law by both houses- just like the patriot act.
julsHz 2 years ago
I wish I could vote for Michelle Bachmann. God bless her.
credulity96 2 years ago
Well, it passed the House, hopefully it will pass the Senate. I don't know why folks are so afraid of democracy.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago 2
it isn't democracy that we are araid of, it is the barrage of constant socialism
hplowe 2 years ago
so what is you fear? Democracy is bought with blood and socialism is bought with lies and deception, like the HB3962
nivekyaj 2 years ago
Michele Bachmann is a great American that still believes in upholding, defend and preserving the U.S. Constitution. The facts that she points out in this video are clearly verifiable in the health care reform bill, go the the gov website and read it for yourself..
The true cancer and blight on America is the liberal mind, the entitlement and victim mentality they all seem to have. It is a shame that liberals don't believe in individual responsibility, self-reliance and the truth.
dantheleo 2 years ago
Bachman, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, and O'Reilly are the true cancers in this society. They breed fear, doubt, and controversy only- no solutions. They wrap themselves in the flag and the Constitution, but they clearly can't stand Americans.
And the next time you feel like puking, do it somewhere other than a PM to me. Coward. You want to call me a liar and mentally ill, do it in the venue at hand for all to see.
julsHz 2 years ago
Once again name calling gets you no where, the President, himself uses threats and fear to push his questionable policies through without giving time for honest review to what they accually mean to us, the People.
nivekyaj 2 years ago
Thank God we have somone in congress that is doing her job. Thanks to those, who still have American values and believe in liberty. Ahh a breath of fresh air hearing people speak the truth. God Bless you Michele. You are one of few who swore to uphold the constitution and are doing your job. I realize it's your job, but like Nancy Pelosi and many other congressmen, they throw out the very vow they make to the constitution, out the door. Fire them in 2010. They are a cancer to America. God Bless.
KSP0520 2 years ago
Fear and hatred and lies are a cancer to America. Insurance companies and other corporations telling our representatives how to vote is a cancer in America.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
I must have missed your comment on the constitution. The U. S. Constitution DOES in fact have a Preamble!!! I can't debate any issue with someone that doesn't have the basic knowledge of the U.S. Constitution that you should have learned in high school!
dantheleo 2 years ago
The "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union..." Is hardly a preamble. It's more like saying "Once upon a time..."You can't debate me because you claim the health care bill is unconstitutional and you have no evidence to back up your claim.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Your give validity the old saying, "stupid liberal!" So, this is how you justify your stupidity of writing that there is no preamble to the U.S. Constitution, when in fact there is! I know how hard it is for you to admit that you were wrong, again but the facts and the facts! There are no amendments, articles or provisions in the U.S. Constitution that allow for a governmental force to buy health insurance or to fine or penalize those who choose not to buy. There's your evidence!
dantheleo 2 years ago
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greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Actually, it was John Boehner who quoted from the Declaration of Independence and mistakenly called it the Preamble.
And you might want to watch that- not all liberals are stupid, marxist/socialists just like not all conservatives are nut cases.
Most countries that restructured after WWII chose something between socialism and democracy- strong safety net at the bottom, high taxes at the top- and these countries are doing far better than the US in many aspects regarding 'social fabric'.
julsHz 2 years ago
You're right...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
This woman is toxic, and her message is rooted in the very fear-mongering ignorance that will be the downfall of this great country. She's been proven to have used "misinformation" (lies) more times than the truth and yet she is still allowed to vent her bile. Yeah, there's a patriot for ya.
proud2beacitizen 2 years ago
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You appear to very ignorant as with all liberals you can not argue without name calling because you have nothing else to say...
nivekyaj 2 years ago
Thanks for making my point perfectly. When liberals say things or post comments they instantly believe in their own minds that somehow they are true. Rarely have I ever been intelligently debated by a liberal because when I start debating with easily verifiable facts, I never hear from them again. I find it very amusing you say there was 4000 people who attended the D.C. rally, even your distorted source of news MSNBC reported there was more than 15,000.
dantheleo 2 years ago
Ahh come on...Lets have an intelligent debate! Tell me, what about the health care bill is Marxist or socialist?
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
It would be more productive and time efficient if you could tell me what is NOT socialist or marxist regarding this health care bill. This would be impossible to do because the very bill itself is unconstitutional. There are no amendments, articles or provisions in the U.S. Constitution that allow for a governmental force to buy health insurance or to fine or penalize those who choose not to buy.
dantheleo 2 years ago
Actually when you claim something its up to you to prove it exists. What article of the Constitution does this bill violate?
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Fair enough, every portion of the liberals so-called health care reform is socialist and marxist at every level.
It violates individual liberties an freedoms!
There are no amendments, articles or provisions in the U.S. Constitution that allow for a governmental force to buy health insurance or to fine those who choose not to buy.
It is never going to pass and never signed into legislation. There are to many fundamental flaws, like the 25 million + still not covered in that bill!
dantheleo 2 years ago
Of course, I've never had an intelligent debate with any one who listens to Rush Limbaugh or Michele Bachmann. Have you read the Bill yet?
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
I've never heard so much hypocritical, lying, bullshit in such a short amount of time! MB is a sensationalist feeding the fears of people who don't realize that the COLD WAR DIED DECADES AGO. This is hype, nothing more. Americans in general need to start doing their own homework and stop believing this kind of tripe. If you believe this load of crap you need to get back into your bunker and pretend the world is coming to an end- you live in some fantasy world that eludes the rational mind.
julsHz 2 years ago
Finally a voice of reason among these frightened sheep!
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
It always amazes me that we live in a world of such vast informatin, yet we tend to listen to the ones that 'seem' to make sense before we look at the data available. It's all out there- social democracies are doing so much better than us in so many ways, we should take a look... that's all.
julsHz 2 years ago
give some example where scialism is doing better..
nivekyaj 2 years ago
Netherlands has a health care system far superior to the US system at a cost of about 100 euros per month, every citizen has heath care. but it is not really "socialist", services are provided by private companies. In fact most countries have a certain degree of socialism, the US included.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
I have been waiting for you to make this argument! I lived in Denmark for almost a year and your are WRONG AGAIN! It is state run and mandatory, that is Socialism. There is a competitive flat-rate for all insurance premiums, much like the Republicans have promoted here by allowing open competition across sate lines. Health care was so fractured since it's inception in 2006 and had to be modified in 2008 because it was ineffective and could potentially bankrupt it's economy.
dantheleo 2 years ago
Sorry, Netherlands (a.k.a. Holland) is not Denmark. I lived in Tilberg. Their system is fairly simple, everyone is required to purchase insurance from highly-regulated private providers. They describe it as "private health insurance with social conditions". Insurers are tightly regulated for quality, provision of basic services, and to prevent discrimination, as they are required to accept everyone in their coverage area at a flat rate, no matter what their health status.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Learn some geography, turn off Rush Limbaugh, and join the real world. Also, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what specifically in the health care bill is unconstitutional. Talk about not being able to admit you're wrong. You're a typical dittohead.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
What an intelligent response. This is just what I expected, no valid argument or debate, right to the insults. Typical Liberal! Not a surprise from someone that didn't even know the U.S. Constitution does have a preamble, I think that was taught in 8th grade in high school, ha!
dantheleo 2 years ago
Um, your the one who called me a stupid liberal. And it was your beloved John Boehner who thought the preamble of the decaration of independence was the in the constitution, and he had the god damned thing in his hand! So where is your valid debate or argument. You dont know where Denmark is, yet you say you lived there. I'll give you a hint: it's not in Netherlands.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
why would you say God Damn, do know what that means?
nivekyaj 2 years ago
Ready for that intelligent debate yet?
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim the the health care bill is unconstitutional. C'mon, what article does it violate SPECIFICALLY...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Greenthumbguy1: Back up your claim that HR 3962 is Constitutional (or for that matter that the US is constituted as a "democracy.") What part of US Constitution Article I, Sections 8 or 9, authorize HR 3962? What part of US Constitution Amendments 9 and 10 authorize HR 3962? Don't make us laugh that you are concerned by the limitations of the US Constitution on authoritarian power.
credulity96 2 years ago
What part denies it?
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
@credulity96 Are you kidding me? There's no part of this monstrosity designated HR 3952 that is constitutional. When did I claim HR 3962 us Constitutional?
credulity96 8 months ago
why would you know you don't know where to find the Preamble or the difference between the Constitution and The Declaration of Indepenance.. see below
nivekyaj 2 years ago
liberals only know name calling because they don't know enough facts or any truth
nivekyaj 2 years ago
Im not wrong. First of all I said Netherlands, not Denmark. (check your map...) It is NOT state run, insurance is provided by private companies, it IS highly regulated. Companies can't deny sick people or recruit only healthy people and are compensated for providing service to those who need it most. Citizens can choose which company they want and can change at any time. It's based entirely on private insurers, rather than a single payer system. YOU are wrong...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
If you define 'socialism' as a Marxiist ideal, then none, because that form of gov't is DEAD. What has emerged since WWII is SOCIAL DEMOCRACY. In that context, all of them. Better in life expectancy, math & literacy, infant mortality, violent crime, imprisonment, teenage births, obesity, community trust, mental illnesses- incl. drug and alcohol addiction, and social mobility- the last largely due to guaranteed health care. Google Equality Trust UK- download the ppt slides. US is dead last.
julsHz 2 years ago
You're the most intelligent person I've come acroos on this page...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
I'm with you, man.
julsHz 2 years ago
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Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Michele Bachmann is one of the few in Washington D.C. that actually took her oath of office seriously!
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
As long as we have a few in Washington D.C. that support and defend the Constitution there is hope for the future of this nation.
dantheleo 2 years ago
Funny you mention that. At yesterday's rally one of your republican "patriots" forgot the words to the pledge of allegiance (Freudian slip?) and the Minority leader had a copy of the constitution in his hand, and with smug authority said "let me read from the preamble of the constitution" There is no preamble to the constitution, what he quoted was the the Declaration of Independence. The real enemy of the people is the Republican party and the nutjob neocons. Traitors...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
The majority of the American people see the real threat to the nation. That is the liberal socialist/marxists like Pelosi, Reid, Schummer and ALL the radical czars in this administration that are trying to pass this apocalyptic, forced so-called health care reform. If you had any valid debate or argument you would have made it, instead of childish observations. As much as you liberals whine the rally was effective and this so-called health care reform will never pass in it's current state.
dantheleo 2 years ago
You know, Republicans have been using the same "oh my god the commies are coming" scare tactics for 60 years. Where were you "patriots" when the Reagan Admin. sold missles to Iranian terrorists and gave the money to Nicaraguan terrorists? Or when Bush subverted the constitution and ordered the AG to fire prosecutors who didn't tow the party line? Democrats are trying to give people who can't afford insurance a chance and you call them Marxists. Hmm...
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Also, 4000 people at rally isn't so great. Our local highschool football team draws bigger crowds.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Congratulations- you just described exactly what the insurance lobbyists and healthcare lobbyists, and pharm co.'s lobbyists all drool over- no change, more profits, less coverage- all OK according to the guys who really run the show. Please, show your support for the guys making the bucks off of sickness and death, please.
The real death panels are already at work in your "health care" plan. Pay attention.
julsHz 2 years ago
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dantheleo 2 years ago
let's see you said some for got the pledge? who? I was there.. so where do you find the preamble? I sorta think it is part of the constitution; WE THE PEOPLE...
nivekyaj 2 years ago
Socialism 101 Keep the people sick by way of starvation and starving by way of higher taxation and you'll control them....Stupid Obama Croonies.
toddpope 2 years ago 3
Thank you Michele and Hannity for telling the people the truth!
iterry54 2 years ago
So, heard about the big march on Washington. I was curious to see if there was any coverage on the news stations. Low & behold , it seems there was little on the event if any. I guess I shouldnt be surprised. Is the media afraid ? History shows the most ruthless opportunist wins by foul play. I will be watching this sharp trickster administration like a hawk from now on. I guess I will have to tune into Hannity & Levin for some real reporting. I admire Michele Bachmann for her courage.
sacnusum 2 years ago
I heard one report on ABC. They equated the over 20 thousand patriots with the half dozen protesters at Joe Lieberman's office on the other side of the capitol.
qpwillie 2 years ago
Massive piece of legislation? More like massive steaming piece of crap. I want to decide what happens to my own body. Not to mention, I have friends in a socialist system and guess what? Same operation - mine was done in 3 weeks - and hers took a YEAR. That's what you have to look forward to.
But no matter which side of the issue you're on, we can't afford this program. Period. Stop spending our money, Washington!!!!!!!
magdelineable 2 years ago
haha, greenthumbguy1, if that were true, Pelosi would have been long gone. Have you read the bill? I have. Wakeup and stop taking my money.
fruityh 2 years ago
Michele Bachmann is crazier than Glenn Beck. I can't believe she is allowed to serve. Don't they have psychological evaluations?
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Oh yes Greenboy - she is a real nut. Pelosi who is over botoxed & a liar. Pelosi is out of touch with real americans. I just loved her Oscar worthy performance about the violence she say back in the 70's. She is a wackjob!! Oh, & she only watched one race in Tues. election - RIGHT!! It is only a matter of time before Pelosi is hauled off to the looney house. We can only hope soon her face will be so frozen she will no longer be able to speak. She is about one botox shot away from a frozen face.
lyndilou0806 2 years ago
I don't like Nancy Pelosi at all, not sure why you're making that connection.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
He or she is making the connection because of your name calling of Michele who is an honorable intellegent representative since you don't recognize that you must be in with liberals like Pelosi
nivekyaj 2 years ago
FINALLY. This gal has got it together, I'm placing my bets on her and others like her to fight the good fight. This is it folks, we are waking up and true patriots are crying out FOUL! Make a difference, spread the truth, and for goodness sake, speak up to the people in charge of this garbage!
Michele, THANK YOU!
TheNatterbatter 2 years ago
Wish I could be there today, but I will be on the phone.. email.. fax.. Twitter.... FB. Don't back down, Michele! We need you in there until we can fill those House seats in 2010!!
ohsozen 2 years ago
if i could sell stuff without being sucked by some rich power freak for my profits, then i could probably pay any doc for anything. but that would be capitalism and free trade and real america, right?, or i could make a commune that also communaly and as individuals make money selling stuff to buy nice things, but that would be a communal effort to some extent and might be communist, what a delema, if you're lame as a dead duck. wake up and get people to get people to get our country back, WE go
Idolcruisefix 2 years ago 2
THANK YOU MICHELLE!
You give me hope that there is some sense in Congress and hope for our Federal government.
DonPaulPro 2 years ago 4
I heard on Beck today, that Pelosi is gonna attempt to block folks tomorrow.
arlenearmy 2 years ago
the wildly efficient federal government has announced the success of "stimulus"
each "job" created cost US only $323,000!
wOw
now, nanny lugosi wants healthcare
2000 pages-400,000words-2 million per word
such a bargain! watch: "V is for Vendetta TV Speech"
remember, remember the fifth of november-Guy Fawkes Day
go help Michele tell them:
WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
wolfgangfaust 2 years ago 3
Obamacare is Eugenics...
1.) NO to Obamacare
2.) END the Private Federal Reserve Bank
3.) Initiate NEW investigation into 9/11
Beacom1sm 2 years ago 2
Does this mean that Republicans have been pulled to the left to be declared the defenders of medicare?
bowtie728 2 years ago 2
People who are willing to trade liberty for the security offered through government are fools. America was the first and last hope for liberty, and the people that fell for this "change" are changing it forever - in the worst ways. They are the enemies of liberty, THE ARE THE ENEMY.
One can't put this nicely and one shouldn't. This isn't about being polite anymore. Liberty is and always will be worth fighting for. Take a stand with the founders, your heritage. Don't suffer fools.
mrshd30318 2 years ago 5
here here
DonPaulPro 2 years ago 3
i wish i could come. i'm too broke. keep the truth coming michelle. and remind him of his promise, i quote' his promise of budget neutral~!! ...if michelle's aids read this pass it on~!! we will be taxed to pay for it, and forced to buy it.. and everyone still isn't covered? wow. im shocked at this.
rayclay2 2 years ago 3
What freedom are they taken away, and it's not free you have to pay for a hannity is a lieing tool.
TheLordtaiko 2 years ago
If you can not watch this and see the truth, you need to get help
MrWorldbefree 2 years ago 5
Have you read the bill? I have & freedom of choice is being taken away. You are not allowed to choose the HC plan you want. Buying private ins, will be illegal. In 4 yrs health savings accts. are illegal. Americans will no longer be able to work with their doc on their own health care. Choices will be made by Obama's health commissioner. This is an outrage!! Also, once govt. takes over, they will have to the power to tell you what you can & cannot do since everything centers around your health.
lyndilou0806 2 years ago 4
You didn't read the the bill at all if you believe what you just wrote.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
@greenthumbguy1 Screw you dipshit, if you think this woman is crazy, I can only imagine that you believe Pelosi is Mother Theresa.
Chiliconnada 2 years ago
First of all, yes I think this woman is crazy. Second of all I don't like Nacy Pelosi either.
greenthumbguy1 2 years ago
Not only have I read a good portion of it but I have talked to 3 congressmen of both parties. You can grandfather your own plan in but if you lose it, you are allowed to buy from the govt. exchange. In 4 years my health savings account will not be allowed. If I am wrong then please explain why both dems and GOP agree? Also, I have been on govt. health care in the UK, France and Belgium - there is rationing for elderly based on a formula. Such a shame - the USA did have the best HC in the World
lyndilou0806 2 years ago
Also, I failed to mention the billions of $ in new taxes for businesses & private people. Ins. prem. are gong to go up quite a bit which means the entire idea behind "reform" did not happen. It was my understanding the preimums were skyrocketing so Congress stepped in to reduce premiums.Hmmm. my hunch is there is much more to it - like an opportunity to take over 16% of the economy as well as control people. If you want to be controlled live in China or Venezuela. America is about freedom!
lyndilou0806 2 years ago
The bill is written to be so complicated that it is difficult to prove what you are saying. However what you are sying is very true, some will ony see it when they are out of compliance and suffer the consequences of a harsh govt..
nivekyaj 2 years ago
I wish DC was close enough I could travel.
BTW Michel is so beautiful. Wow
skyding8962 2 years ago 4
Hannity is a tool... "these are the only pages you need to read"
People should read the bills too!
Organjic 2 years ago 2
I agree that people should take some of the time that they have to try and read the bills that are proposed, but in this case we have ~2000 pages of tortured legal language (purposeful?) and only 72 hours to stop it. Whether or not Hannity said it the right way, the point is that all of the protests that occurred in August were ignored; they said they would take certain things out and yet there they are, still in the bill. The bill needs to be stopped.
bgribbs02 2 years ago 4
It is a shame that they want to take our freedoms away from us. Their has to be another way but the Democrats wont listen to reason and they close their doors to the outside world. The American voters are the ones who got them where they are now, But they have proven time and time again that they don't care about the American voters but that they only care for their own personal victories. I have Liberal friends who don't want this bill shoved down their throats either
bubba007ss 2 years ago 7
May God bless & protect you, Michelle.
For the sake of all Americans, continue to speak the truth!
shoeman3434 2 years ago 9
*****
livefreeordiesd 2 years ago
Wanna solve America's obesity epidemic? Let's start by slashing the 20 pound bill Michele speaks of!! ....And get some exercise...Up and down the steps of the Capital perhaps...I'm not liking the Hannity forum, but the message makes up for it in this case....Just Say No To Big Government!!!
simplynlove 2 years ago 3
pelosi an annunaki-draco-reptilian bloodline minion witch !
BabybooR33 2 years ago 3
Fight for us
bossduff 2 years ago 6
Michele
thank you for what you do for our country
vawt1953 2 years ago 7