"Homosexuals are called by our Lord to celibacy.Without that,there is No common ground."
It looks like Justin Lee and other members of his site, including those who would agree with the first half of your statement, would not see eye to eye with you on the latter.
On the GCN site, Justin Lee not only gives his view that gay can be Christians AND have intimate lives, he also has reserved a section for the views of those who believe homosexuals are called by our Lord to celebacy. It's a good lesson in tolerance especially to those who spam the posts of others they personsally find objectionable to knock them off the main YT board. Fortunately it's a problem that can be remedied with just a couple of clicks. :)
man its really that simple, god created adam and eve not adam and steve and he commanded them to be fruitful and multiply and can you do that being gay.....nope. if u disagree then u disobeyed god. THE END.
@clay56 to have a relationship with another human,is THE MOST difficult thing on this earth!!whoever you chose.I am a Christian,if someone chooses same sex i dont have a problem with it,its just as impossible as living with a woman so whats the difference!!
"It clearly states that homosexuality is a sin in the bible. Romans chapter 1 verse 26-32"
Paul was speaking of a group who had abandoned our Lord and were participating in a pegan ceremony. If they had been UNmarried and engaged in heterosexual acts would the recording of the event be exploited to condemn all heterosexuals, even husbands and wives? It's a tragic double standard TOO many have of the orientations.
This is so messed up. What is this world coming to? It clearly states that homosexuality is a sin in the bible. Romans chapter 1 verse 26-32. You can't ignore certain places in the bible and only follow the ones that you like.
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No common ground. God is a psychopathic racist homophobe that hates women and loves genocide. This is no secret if you read the bible, or the quran, or the torah. Get real with reality, guys. These people are your enemy. They beat into their followers heads the idea that theyre born with something wrong with them, and that they should kill non believers, homosexuals. These people believe incest was okay, that rape was okay, that genocide was okay. You are just stupid if youre religious and gay.
@jacobbubble2 Half of the people that think theyre a Christian, arent. They dont subscribe to Christian beliefs and those "normal, liberal, day-to-day" people are actually an even bigger nuisance to the Human species then the psycho babbling twats that take the bible word for word. That is the truth though. There is no act too cruel and sick that cant be justified by the god of Abraham, and women and gay people specifically should hold themselves to a much higher standard.
@jacobbubble2 In either event, the god of abraham is 100% false. There is nobody that has ever lived on the planet Earth that can tell you anymore about the unknowable then you, or me, or a priest, or a scientist for that matter. Nobody knows. Any guess is simply speculation.
Thanks man, you are an inspiration for other gay people struggling with Christianity. We deserve to be good Christians without anyone saying we should change. This is why so many gay people do not want to know God, because since the moment we step on the church people keep telling us to change, the messages of Jesus was to love each other and as gay Christians we can make the difference.
also to the lady who said that Jesus didnt speak ab homosexuality,,,youre obviously not an avid bible reader,,,homosexuality was punishable by death in the old test and Paul speaks about it over and over since all scripture is GOD breathed AND INSPIRED I believe that means Jesus did speak about it,,also the only old test law christians are required to follow is the moral law which is clear when it comes to homosexual sex GOD called it an abomination which is a strong word ,,,u dont justify sin
",,,homosexuality was punishable by death in the old test..."
So was a child cursing his parents in Lev. 20:9. It's one reason why MUCH of Mosaic Law is considered morally uphorrid by many Christians now. And Paul is believed to have spoken about it twice. The problem is the Greek terms he uses in 1 Cor. 6:9. One has a number of definitions, the other is Pauls fusion of the words "man" and "bed." SInce he didn't specify the definition of one word and didn't define the other, we can't... (Cont.)
I'm writing alot on this bc homosexual Christians try to reconcile their gay lifestyle with their belief in Jesus and end up living a life of sin instead of believing they will be born again,,,,,,they convince themselves that their gay impulse is more powerful than Jesus and can never be removed,,,that's ANTI-CHRIST,,,ITS CALLING JESUS A LIAR,,,HE SAID YOU'D BE BORN AGAIN A NEW CREATURE and u will be if you do what he says,,,deny yourself,,,,be separate touch no unclean thing ,,u can be free
...Be certain Paul was speaking to homosexuality at all much less all same gender relationships. Paul speaks about a same gender orgy in Rom. 1. But would the affections of those involved have been less "vile" had they been heterosexual among UNmarried men and women? Would the recording of the acts be exploited to condemn all heterosexual relationships, even husbands and wives? It's the tragic double standard many have of the different orientations.
PART 3....U CANT CHANGE YR GAY FEELINGS BUT JESUS CAN,,,Believing Jesus is too weak to deliver you is not faith at all,,,the New Testament is clear that Jesus will make you a new creature you and u know it bc u hate the sin u once loved, you thirst for the word, you hate worldly pursuits, the sin isn't having the gay impulse its acting upon it, men struggle everyday with attraction to other women porn etc its the same struggle DENY YOURSELF BRO THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS AB IMITATING CHRIST
there are many people in pain praying the prayer over and over rededicating their lives again and again yet they're still living in sin,,if this describes you then your church is preaching a luke warm Gospel,,,you need to leave and find a reformed church,,,Paul Washer style,,,You cant change your homosexual feelings Jesus said DENY YOURSELF TAKE UP YR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME,,,COME OUT FR AMONG THEM AND BE YE SEPARATE TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU,,, GET ON YR KNEES AND BEG DAILY
being a christian is NOT defined by your belief in Jesus,,,your belief that Jesus was a real person or messiah is worth nothing,,,if you're not born again meaning you've become a new creature,,,you're NOT A CHRISTIAN,,,being born again means you hate the sin you once loved,,,,you avoid it,,,you cant live in sin and be a christian that means adultery or living a gay lifestyle or stealing or insert sin here,,,the new test is clear on homosexuality and the old test is clear see part 2
",,,you cant live in sin and be a christian that means adultery or living a gay lifestyle or stealing or insert sin here,,,"
Not all Christians believe homosexuality is sinful under all circumstances. Christ said nothing about homosexuality, yet again too many gay Christian opponents exploit His teachings to "prove" he opposed it. This leads to problems with our Lord involving Matt. 7:1-2 and the Nineth Commandment which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18.
Though Christ stated nothing in regard to homosexuality, many sadly attempt to exploit His teachings to make it appear as if He did. Those who do may find themselves in need of forgiveness for violation of the Nineth Commandment which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18.
@clay56 you might think youre being nice to homosexuals by justifying them in their sin but youre not,,,homosexuals deserve to know that Jesus is GOD and he is powerful enough to change their very nature and make them into a new man,,,a man that hates the sin they once loved,,christian ,men struggle with sexual attraction every day they deny those impulses ,,,making gay men think they should resign themseves to living in sin is wrong and unbiblical your condemning them to hell not helping them
The term "sodomite" is probably one of the biggest misnomers among Christians. It's come to mean homosexual when it simply meant an inhabitant of the city of Sodom. The use of the word in any version of the Bible is all to likely due to personal interpetation far more than faithful translation of the passages. Also the "sin" of Sodom centers around the Hebrew word for "know" or "yada." Gay Christian opponents exploit one among it's ELEVEN definitions in their attempts to condemn homosexuality.
@clay56 Paul preaches against homosexuality over and over,,,and not just homosexual sin but all manner of sexual sin, when the bible says GOD gave them over to "degrading passions so that men and even their women engaged in unnatural sexual activity because they refused to love the truth" what does that mean? when Jesus said deny yourself and take up yr cross did that mean indulge yr every sexual whim? is Jesus too weak to make a gay man a new man in Christ?did he lie when he promised that>
The word Christian and Sodomite do not belong in the same sentence...There is a reason that YAWH forbid it!!! Study Freemasonry...Sodomy is one of the initiating experiences...too open up the CHAKRA....RESEARCH CHAKRA
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that have just escaped from them who live in error.
Among whom also we all had our behavior in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not proper; Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Anal intercourse is a specific Kundalini arousal method.in Tantra as the "Kundalini gland." Yoga has devised a wide variety of techniques to irritate and awaken this gland into activity, including Mula Bandha, Asvini Mudra, Tada Mudra (knocking the buttocks upon the ground, sending rhythmic shock waves rippling up the spine), and rolling on a cotton ball placed under the tip of the tailbone.
LOL, the tern gay and homosexual aew fairly new terms....think again....They are Sodomites....and not only men practice this but women as well....also within heterosexual relationships, This is the head DEMON of the kundalini,....Shiva,
One of the aspects of Justin Lee's site I most admire is that it contains not only the opinions of those who believe homosexuals can be intimate AND Christians under certain circumstances, but also others who believe our Lord called homosexuals to lives of celebacy. It's a very good example of the type of openness and understanding towards divergent viewpoints too many Christians sadly lack.
this guy is so creepy . trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
...and some will have strong delusions that they might believe a lie. You cannot be homosexual and inherit the Kingdom. It's amazing how many people actually think they can do whatever they want and still be saved. I can only pray for such weak minded souls.
@Nickelplatealloy It's amazing how many people continue to live in the past & believe the old Sodom story. Read your Bible! Ezekiel 16:49 makes it very clear, both in what is said & what is left unsaid. "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food & careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy." Verse 50: "They were haughty & committed abominations before me;therefore, I removed them..." Abominations may/may not have refered to gays.
@TheChaz10 nothing new about perverts wresting the scriptures: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
@timeisupUS The sad thing is they twist the scriptures to the point that it only makes sense to their feeble mind who wants to justify filth.
No SAVED person would believe their lies.
The Bible is very clear on there being a process that takes place for a person to even live a out and proud life as a Sodomite: They have to be rejected by God (reprobate) and be given over to do it.
@GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV the devils whole agenda is to deceive ppl , to lull them into a false sense of security. this is just one more tactic. never in history has there been more nominal christians world and never has there been so few true christians. sign of the times
@Nickelplatealloy It's amazing how many people continue to live in the past & believe the old Sodom story. Read your Bible! Ezekiel 16:49 makes it very clear, both in what is said & what is left unsaid. "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food & careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy." Verse 50: "They were haughty & committed abominations before me;therefore, I removed them..." Abominations may/may not have refered to gays.
Stop slandering the Bible. It is clear that Sodom and Gomorrah was about men having sex with men.
Several other scriptures back it up or use it for reference as Jude 1:6-8 does in the glorious KJV bible when God mentions the WRATH poured out on the men of Sodom who went after strange flesh would also be poured out on the fallen angels.
The guy in this video is a reprobate. Not a Christian.
One thing I can certainly appreciate about Justin Lee's organization is that it is accepting and understanding of, not only of Christians who believe gays can have intimiate lives under cirtain circumstances, but also those who feel gays were called to lives of celebacy. It's a good example from which TOO many Christians could stand to learn.
You 'proudly' mention [the] 'gay christian movement (even though God strongly condemns & resists the proud). Could you clarify that? Where in the Bible is it taught that Christians ought to distinguish themselves or establish their identity in Christ Jesus predicated on sexuality? In fact, we are told there is only one Lord,one faith &one baptism into the body of Christ Jesus. Is it not possible that U R deceived ? Does the Bible encourage proud adulterers, thieves, pedophiles& drunkards too
Sorry dude, but a TRUE Christian is NOT and does NOT Tolerate nor Accept homosexuality. Sin can NOT enter the realm of heaven and homosexuality is a perverse sin. Jesus died for our sins, so we can repent, but true repentance implies you leave that lifestyle behind and go forward with Christ. Someone who does NOT realize the error of their ways or just refuses to submit that sinful lifestyle to Christ will NOT enter the gates of heaven and will face judgement when they see God on Judgement Day.
"Sin can NOT enter the realm of heaven and homosexuality..."
Not all Christians believe homosexuality to be sin in all circumstances.
"Someone who does NOT realize the error of their ways or just refuses to submit that sinful lifestyle to Christ will NOT enter the gates of heaven and will face judgement when they see God on Judgement Day."
Thankfully such a decision is for our Lord ONLY. Those who second guess Him on this decision are themselves in need of prayer.
@uhscoyotes07 So you're Side B? Homosexuality is not a lifestyle it's an orientation. Pretty much most gays who grow up in the church are not sexually active and are still virgins. But they're still gay.
Justin Lee is talking Nice, which is Nice enough to smooth the way straight to HELL... ! Justin.. plz dont mislead youth to your anti-God activity ! Dont be a stumble block !
"Justin Lee is talking Nice, which is Nice enough to smooth the way straight to HELL... !"
Im never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
"Justin Lee is talking Nice, which is Nice enough to smooth the way straight to HELL... !" Im never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
What I like most about Justin Lee's site (GCN) is that it carries not only view of gay Christian advocates who believe gays, under certain cirmumstances, can be both intimate and Christian, but also that of Christians BOTH gay and hetero who believe gays are called by our Lord to celebacy. I only wish more Christians had this degree of tolerance for dissenting views.
THIS MAN KEEP SAYING: "Christ" "Christ" "Christ." But, NOT ONCE does he ever say: THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! You know why? Because this is the age of the "False Christ" the "New Age Christ." And, it has 0% to do with JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE LIVING GOD. Beware Saints! Do NOT be deceived. HOMOSEXUALITY IS DARKNESS because it is SIN. Light and Darkness cannot have "fellowship" except that man be called from darkness into JESUS CHRIST MARVELOUS LIGHT - The turning away of SIN.
16These six things the Lord hates, indeed, seven are an abomination to Him: 17A proud look [the spirit that makes one overestimate himself and underestimate others], a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,(A) 18A heart that manufactures wicked thoughts and plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, 19A false witness who breathes out lies [even under oath], and he who sows discord among his brethren.
@JaredTVW And, the LOVE of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST is to "call the sinner unto repentance." Homosexuals must REPENT of the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY and be "washed" and "cleansed" and "made whole." There is not any middle ground nor grey area on this FACT. You can NOT live according to your "own nature" i.e., Flesh and yet, walk according to the HOLY SPIRIT. It is impossible to be GAY & CHRISTIAN for this FACT. And any person who thinks they can be GAY & CHRISTIAN is TOTALLY DECEIVED BY SATAN!
How can you say you love Christ and yet deliberately disobey him by continuing to live in homosexuality, which is a sign of the wrath of God on mankind?
It is impossible to call yourself a Christian and yet deliberately, consciously, and purposefully continue to be homosexual.
"How can you say you love Christ and yet deliberately disobey him by continuing to live in homosexuality, which is a sign of the wrath of God on mankind?"
Since Christ said nothing about homosexuality, the accusation of disobedience to Him is questionable at best.
"It is impossible to call yourself a Christian and yet deliberately, consciously, and purposefully continue to be homosexual".
Many probably believed the same about being a non-Catholic at one time. Some probably still do.
@gokkaratt82 how are you not dead yet? xD you're a RETARD. go away...just....go away. how can YOU call YOURSELF a christian you're passing judgement unto others before looking within yourself and taking care of your own baggage? fuck off.
@AUTdude I know of many Chrisitans who are perpetual drunkards (college guys) and no one, for any reason, seems to question their faith, even though it goes against the very same passage as the homosexuality bit in 1 Cor 6:9-10.
"... even though it goes against the very same passage as the homosexuality bit in 1 Cor 6:9-10."
Two Greek terms Paul used are increasingly believed to be in reference to prostitution, which if true is NO more reflective of all homosexuals than the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her hears was of all heterosexuals.
@poolerboy0077 Let not any among you that be of Christ Jesus be named a DRUNKARD or a FORNICATOR. You cannot be "GAY" and a "CHRISTIAN" at the same time. No more than you can be a DRUNK and a CHRISTIAN. A FORNICATOR and a CHRISTIAN. A MASTURBATOR and a CHRISTIAN. An ADULTERER and a CHRISTIAN. A STRIPPER and a CHRISTIAN. A WHORE and a CHRISTIAN. A PIMP and a CHRISTIAN. God has made clear the ONLY KIND of "relationship" and "sexuality" that is approved! Male & Female = 1 Flesh.
@poolerboy0077 Make no mistake WE REAL SERVANTS do address ALL SIN. But, HOMOSEXUALS should make no mistake that their SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY should go unaddress. Additionally, last time I checked there is no POLITICAL MOVEMENT to sanction and "legitimize" the SIN OF ALCOHOLISM. But, there is a POLITICAL MOVEMENT to sanction and attempt to "legitimize" the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY. That is what CHRISTIANS RIGHTFULLY SO are TAKING A STAND AGAINST! THE LIE OF HOMOSEXUALITY.
@LPATWILLFILM The over-emphasis of homosexuality over all the others is something that is cultural more than a religious qualm. There may be expressed disapproval, but going out of one's way to target a group like that and not others is the hypocrisy and vexation most rightfully pointed out by those on the outside looking in.
@poolerboy0077 HOMOSEXUALS unlike OTHER SINNERS are "going out their way" to PROMOTE, PUSH, PROSELYTIZE and PONTIFICATE that the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY is "not" a SIN. That is what TRUE believers of the LORD JESUS CHRIST are standing against. No OTHER SIN has quite the POLITICAL MOVEMENT & PUSH to turn and change "minds" that such SIN is not a "sin." When GOD makes it clear that such is SIN. When the enemy comes in as a flood - THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD WILL LIFT UP A STANDARD against it!
@poolerboy0077 The BIBLE says: "Let NOT the wicked exalt himself." HOMOSEXUALS are "exalting" their SIN by way of MAN'S LAW, MEDIA, ENTERTAINMENT and PARADES. That is to the benefit of self-deception and to the detriment of deceiving others and turning them away from THE TRUTH OF GOD and turning them to the LIE OF SIN -- No other SIN GROUP is out marching for their SIN to be thought as "proper" "normal" 'Natural" "prudent" and dare even say: 'God-given." THAT IS WHY SAINTS ARE STANDING UP!
@poolerboy0077 THE DAY ALCOHOLICS and ADULTERERS start marching in the streets looking for laws and public opinion to "change" that to be a DRUNKARD and a PHILANDER is "OK" is the DAY I will EQUALLY TAKE THE SAME POSITION -- IT IS SIN AND IS TO BE RESISTED. Homosexuals have bought their SIN to the forefront, the World Stage to promote it to be something OK and "good." So, it is for this cause the SAINTS we stand strong by THE HOLY SPIRIT as HE LIFTS UP GOD'S STANDARD AGAINST this blatant LIE!
@poolerboy0077 Yes, but yet you CAN'T REFUTE THE "nutter" in speaking THE TRUTH. You can always spot a LIAR, because when they cannot deny nor defeat THE TRUTH they then look for the most "childish" and "insignificant" matters as a means of attempting to create a valid point and to justify illegitimate means. You're CLASSIC. You're TYPICAL. Thanks for the compliment on my frequent use of CAPSLOCK. You should try it sometimes. :)
@LPATWILLFILM So, are you going to condemn people who are proud of their jobs with the IMF (International Monetary Fund) because Christ himself condemned money changers (mat 21:12) or people who are rich and flaunt it, considering Jesus himself said that the rich are all but guaranteed to not enter heaven? (mat 19:24) How about proud warmongers waving their flags on parade? Are they following Christ's words? (mat 5:9) (mat 26:52)
Jesus was a liberal, pacifist, anti-capitalist. Deal with it.
@mysticresistence Jesus Christ only condemned "money changers" NOT FOR MONEY CHANGING, but for "money changing IN GOD'S HOUSE." GOD'S HOUSE IS HOLY AND TO BE A PLACE OF PRAYER, not merchandishing. Secondly, Pride is a SIN, so no one should be "proud" to be anything. The RICH He says with GOD & HIM it is POSSIBLE for them to enter HEAVEN. The reason He says its hard for THE RICH (and its true) is because RICH PEOPLE TRUST IN THEIR RICHES not GOD and face diverse temptations of sin.
@LPATWILLFILM Money changers in God's house: i.e., the wealthy bankers SHOULDN'T BE IN CHURCH. Jesus NEVER said the wealthy capitalists classes can get to heaven unless they give up their wealth.
@mysticresistence That's NOT true. GOD SAID HIS HOUSE IS FOR ALL PEOPLE -- even the Wealthy Bankers. But, when the wealthy bankers come to HIS HOUSE (i.e., CHURCH) they are not to be "doing their business" there. That is what The Lord meant. HIS HOUSE IS HOLY. So, when we go there we are to be ready to receive from HIM and WORSHIP HIM in Spirit and in Truth and have Communion with HIM and Fellowship with one another in HIS NAME. Not "exchanging money" and doing WORLDLY THINGS. Get facts!
@mysticresistence And, it is NOT true. What you say about ALL wealthy capitalists are to give up their money. The Lord Jesus Christ commissioned the ONE WEALTHY MAN to give up all that he had, because The Lord knew although that guy loved HIM and FOLLOWED GOD'S LAW, yet, that man LOVED HIS RICHES more than HIM. So, Jesus clearly put the challenge to that guy to "go and sell all that you have and follow me." The guy went away sorrowful because at the end of the day, he loved his money more.
@mysticresistence We KNOW for a FACT that THE LORD does not mind those to have WEALTH, for THE BIBLE is clear: "God delights in the prosperity of His Saints (people)." AND "The wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous." AND "It is God that giveth Power to get Wealth." AND, "When riches increase set not your heart upon them." AND "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil (not money itself)." AND, "make friends with the unrighteous mammon." CLEARLY SHOWS GOD IS NOT AGAINST WEALTH.
@mysticresistence When The Lord Jesus Christ was talking about the "first being last and the last being first" He was talking about IN HIS KINGDOM. He is talking about those who are considered or consider themselves as FIRST really are in HIS KINGDOM and in HIS EYES these folks are LAST and the unimportant as considered by others are in HIS KINGDOM and in HIS EYES these are FIRST. But, make no mistake here THE LORD JESUS CHRIST is referring to SPIRITUAL KINGDOM MATTERS.
@mysticresistence He is NOT referrencing that we should consider such to do with all wealthy folks going to HELL and all poor people going to HEAVEN. For FACT, there are rich people that HE HAS SAVED and are a part of HIS KINGDOM and there are poor people that ARE UNSAVED and on their way to perdition. He is showing in these "first and last scriptures" Mark 10:31, Matt 19:30 & Matt 20:16, Luke 13:30; that HIS KINGDOM does not "operate" the way EARTHLY KINGDOMS run and "operate."
@mysticresistence As far as The Tea Party, I don't subscribe to them, nor any specific political party. They are ALL the same gang. GOP, DEM, TEA, CONSERVATIVE, LIBERAL all the same bag of fruits and nuts. :) I do vote, but I have voted all over the place - Dem, Repub and Indie. I vote issues, not party. Finally, Karl Marx is a prick and a hyprocrite. For fact, while he touted "wealth redistribution" his ass was born to upper-middle class parents and most of his life he was wealthy.
@mysticresistence Very wealthy to the point that he was "often in the upper 5%" of income earners of his time. Yeah, so much for socialism. And so much for your Socialist demigod Marx who did not "practice what he preached." Lol!!! :) You better get a clue about reality and what's really going on down here on this planet. SOCIALISM does NOT work. The Human Spirit is born to strive and achieve and receive reward. Socialism kills this very innate presence GOD puts within man.
@mysticresistence Again, The Proud or The Prideful shall fall. No one should be "proud" or "prideful" about anything. Nothing wrong with celebrating one's Nationality or Country nor is there anything wrong with celebrating a victory for our brave soldiers, but to be PRIDEFUL or PROUD is SIN. The Lord Jesus Christ was OF NO POLITICAL STANCE -- He says that HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD and that He hath come to "Call the Sinner to Repentence." That's not liberal nor conservative.
@mysticresistence But, I beg to disagree with you. Jesus was all about putting money to good use (that is a Capitalist value, not a Socialist one). Read about how Jesus Christ praised THE SHREWED SERVANT. How He discusses the parable of THE TALENTS. GOD IS ABOUT SEED TIME & HARVEST. SOWING & REAPING. MAXIMIZING POTENTIAL. Pray to the Lord of The Harvest that He will send forth Laborers for the laborers are few, but the Harvest is white (meaning plentiful). Not so Socialistic.
@LPATWILLFILM in Matt 12:17, Jesus says give unto Ceasar (the state) that which is his..i.e., SHUT UP AND PAY YOUR TAXES. Now, are you up in arms against the Tea Party who don't want to give unto Ceasar (Obama) that which is his & PROUDLY defy the word of Jesus? Jesus also said "some who are last shall be first and some who are first shall be last"... Karl Marx couldn't have said it better.
"Justin, what other beliefs from the bible do you pick and choose to be true or not?"
The question seems based on the presumption that there's ONLY one legitimate intpetation to ALL scripture when in fact there are MANY different views and interpetations since Christians are people and people are different.
you are a reprobate! you have one foot in hell! you are not a christian! a real christian will shun you! it is a grave sin to even debate this. the bible is super clear on this! you Lots wives will all burn in hell forever! that is where this begins and ends! no debate none! None!
I am never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on Matters of ultimate judgement.
"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God... [1JN3:9-10]" Not everyone is a child of God clay56 according to God's servant John. - Rick
I don't want to use the word Christian because it seems in today's time that word is thrown around so much to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. There is no such thing as a "GAY" child of God no more than there is a "MURDERER" child of God or a "LIAR" child of God. It just does not exist! Gay Anus Yearning Sodomites can call themselves whatever they would like, but they do not belong to God and are not part of His Sheep! Gays along with "Churchanity" can be "religious", but that's about it.
"No one who is born of God will continue to sin,..."
And even the most well intentioned, most dedicated can be vulnerable to sin, especially those who seem unable to see their personal belief and the infinately vast and complex will of our Lord as anything other than one and the same, sealing their minds and hearts shut to different ideas, values and beliefs. As such, they may too easily and rashly condemn divergent views as sin which may not be, perhaps creating their OWN need for forgiveness.
You're either one or the other. Never both. Of course people walk around claiming to be "Gay Christians" but that doesn't work.We are to die to the desires of the flesh and let God's word supercede.God's word calls it sin. No matter how may loopholes they try to pull with the Hebrew and Greek languages(It still prohibits homosexuality in those BTW) you can't be gay and Christian. You can't practice any deliberate willful sin and be a Christian.
"No matter how may loopholes they try to pull with the Hebrew and Greek languages(It still prohibits homosexuality in those BTW) you can't be gay and Christian."
Review of the Greek and Hebrew text have led many to believe they've been mistranslated and misinterpeted. Many gay Christian opponents act so dismissively about it perhaps since most may not be able to look at let alone acknowledge their OWN VERY possible sin of bearing FALSE wittness and judgement against their nieghbors.
@clay56 ROFL there is absolutely nothing to suggest that. It says the same thing. Corinthians 6:9 still prohibits homosexuality as does Leviticus 18:22, as does Leviticus 20:13 as does Romans 1:26-28. Read them in english Hevbrew or Greek its still the same. always.
@GodCreatesGays2 The claim that the languages have been misinterprted is phony. It says the same in Hebrew and gGreek believe it or not. Pick up the scriptures in those languages.
"The claim that the languages have been misinterprted is phony. It says the same in Hebrew and gGreek believe it or not."
Greek terms for prostitutes and their customers were replaced in the Revised Standard version in 1946 when the word "homosexual" was first used. In the OT, in Gen. 19:8 the word "know" is all there is to connect the so called "sin of Sodom" to homosexuality. The original Hebrew term has ELEVEN different meanings, yet ONE is exploited to condemn all homosexuals.
@clay56 The word "know" is indeed used in a sexual context and not just in the case of sSodom and Gommorah either. It says that Adam Knew his wife Eve and that she concieved and bore a son. What proof is there that the word homosexuality was first used then? I've never read it anywhere save sites with propoganda. LOL even if you try to exclude that verse, Leviticus 18;22 and Leviticus 20:13 are quite clear. Penalty of death revoked of course.
"The word "know" is indeed used in a sexual context and not just in the case of sSodom and Gommorah either. It says that Adam Knew his wife Eve and that she concieved and bore a son."
Since the Hebrew term for "know" has ELEVEN different definitions, the probability of it's meaning the same thing in BOTH cases is EXTREMELY remote.
"Penalty of death revoked of course."
Christ challenged or changed MUCH of Mosaic Law leaving the rest He didn't address, like homosexuality, in question.
" Christ never revcked anything concerning sexual morality."
Actually He did in Matt. 19:9 when He stated a man and a woman who divorced under Mosaic Law for any other reason other than adultery were themselves committing adultery if either or both remarried. And again, if He overturned even a single Mosaic Law, it leaves the rest He didn't mention in question.
@clay56 LOL that has d to do with marriage. LOL nope. My Parents had many rukles when I was a child Oh so many rules., but one day they revoked a single one, out of all my siblings I was the only one with the ability to perform that action. Was I to assume that just because they revoked the rulesconcerning just one aspect that I could go and break the rest.? no. Thats a childish and stupid notion.
"...that has d to do with marriage. LOL nope. My Parents had many rukles when I was a child Oh so many rules., but one day they revoked a single one, out of all my siblings I was the only one with the ability to perform that action."
Your parents probably made it evident in some way at some point the other rules were in effect, the Gospels do not. So again, Christ's overturning certain Mosaic Laws leaves the rest that go unmentioned in the Gospels in question..
@clay56 Nope. That was left to common sense. they revoked one and onlyu one. Common sense would tell anybody that the others were still in effect. no question.
"they revoked one and onlyu one. Common sense would tell anybody that the others were still in effect. no question."
So there's "no question" a woman who's raped and impregnated is in sin for refusing to marry the man who committed the crime as is reqired in Deu. 22:28:29 ? But Im sure that one's another "judicial" exception as well. This and other laws going unmentioned in the Gospels make up a big reason why Christians arrive at different answers to the question: "What would Jesus do?"
Others in Mosaic times might have argued such was indeed a moral since a lifelong marriage would have provided the woman a husband to help raise her child. Of course it's understandably a morally reprehensible law in today's churches which is why it is either selectively ignored or placed under the heading "judicial" to justify a quite possible double standard.
@clay56 It twas a Judicial law. A law concerning what was to be done given a certain situation . this one concerning rape. In the time of Moses a woman had to marry her rapist. It is not so today. That was Moses's law.
"It twas a Judicial law. A law concerning what was to be done given a certain situation ."
This could describe ALL of Mosaic Law. But more llikely the term is being employeed to subjectively as well as selectively put aside laws found to be personally objectionable. Ironic coming from someone previously stating the importance of adhering to the ENTIRE law.
@clay56 How so? "Do not touch the stove" seems very different from "If something is stolen and the thief is caught he must return what he has stolen and oay four times the amount"
"Do not touch the stove" seems very different from "If something is stolen and the thief is caught he must return what he has stolen and oay four times the amount"
Again, you initially state ALL the laws must be adhered to, but then selectively give "judicial" exceptions when confronted with laws you seem to personally find objectionable as if to justify a subjective picking and choosing process, which largely explains why almost NO two Christians can agree on Mosaic Law as a whole.
@clay56 LOL are you kidding? If I could pick and choose I'd have at least two tatoos by now. But I Can't Moral Law. no tattoos. Man do I want one. can't have it.
"If I could pick and choose I'd have at least two tatoos by now. But I Can't Moral Law. no tattoos. Man do I want one. can't have it."
Oh Im sure it could BECOME "judicial" if you wanted it badly ENOUGH. The prohibition of homosexuality could also be under such a subjective heading since it was probably banned in part because of the highly limited population of Hebrews at the time which is why bigamy and polygamy were allowed but are considered just as immoral by many Christians today.
@clay56 LOL no way. I can't make laws Judicial or Moral. Moral law says no tattoos. that means No tattoos. I don't care how bad I want one. (And I want one REALLY Bad.) Can't have it. The bible isn't subjective. especially law. It doesn't bend to my will.
"Read them in english Hevbrew or Greek its still the same. always."
The Greek text refer to prostitution in 1 Cor. 6:9. It's exploitation in the condemnation of all homosexuals is as ludicrous as trying to condemn all heterosexuality in a case of man with a female prostitute. It's the same with Romans 1:26-28 since all heterosexuality would not be condemned had the acts involved unwed participants of different gender. And evidently the verse between Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13...
,,,that being Lev. 20:9 calling for the killing of children cursing their parents is often conviently skiped by gay Christian opponents. And yes, there's the clobber word "abomination" which is also used to describe the weaving of clothing made from two fabrics in Lev. 19:19. Some Christians may be sincere in their opposition. Yet as such begins to slowly be viewed as a form of bigotry , others exploit the Faith as a means to justify a prejudice and intolerance completely their OWN.
@clay56 Not really. People love overlooking the new testament. Death for sin is revoked by Jesus' death. That verse condemns the mixture of linen and wool . Lol corintyhians specificlly says (In all three languages) that homosexuals along with those who practice several other sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God. simple as that. There is not the slightest margin for misunderstanding. especially with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 (without the penalty of death thanks to Christ.)
" Death for sin is revoked by Jesus' death. That verse condemns the mixture of linen and wool."
Yes excecution is quite arguably revoked but not the "sin" itself." Yet such an "abomination" is ignored today by most Christians who wear clothing of mixed fabrics. Only one "abominstion" it seems is formally, SELECTIVELY recognized by gay Christian opponents while the rest are conveniently ignored.
@clay56 LOL who would mix kinen and wool together? you'd itch like crazy. That is the only prohibited mixture. no other. I've only seen one garment that ever mixed those two. It doesn't natter how many biblical laws are ignored, It does not make the action acceptable or morrally correct. You don't keep the rules, you don't reap the benefits. God says homosexuality is sin and that it is not to be practiced. (Nor is any other sin.) therefore there is no such thing as a Gay Christian.
"It doesn't natter how many biblical laws are ignored, It does not make the action acceptable or morrally correct."
By this reasoning, someone is in sin for eating shrimp (Lev. 1:9-12), sowing a field with two crops (Lev. 19:19), working on Saturday (Lev. 23:32) as is a woman who grabs her husband's attacker by the groin (Due.25:11-12).
One Bible
MANY views.
"God says homosexuality is sin "
Mosaic Law appears to indicate such, much of which was refuted by Christ on several ocassions.
"God deems all food clean in the New Testament . Romans Chapter 14."
Such is indicated beforehand in Acts and the Gospels as well. But if even one of the Mosaic Laws is overturned it leaves the rest that go unmentioned in question.
"LOL"
Im glad we're both having such a good time in this discussion. :)
"corintyhians specificlly says (In all three languages) that homosexuals along with those who practice several other sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God."
Again the precise Greek terms are in reference to prostitutes and their customers. The word "homosexual" wouldn't appear for nearly a couple of thousand years in ANY version of the Bible. Based on this it seems many are simply falling back on what they insist the passages say to justify what is slowly being viewed as a form of bigotry.
@clay56 ROFL same old same old. It says the same thing. It condemns prostitution and homosexuality in the original languages as well. Thats nothing but a Myth. I wonder why peole keep saying that it differs in the original languages. when it comes to those verses. I found no difference at all.
ROFL same old same old. It says the same thing. It condemns prostitution and homosexuality in the original languages as well."
More precisely the prostitution in 1:Cor 6:9 involving men is again NOT reflective of all homosexuals. Many either may not recognize it or are deliberately overlooking it so as not to loose justification to their disgust and intolerance.
@clay56 Still it says it straight out. homosexuals along with those who practice any other sin will not inherit the kingdom of God. Simple. No such thing as a Gay christian, no such thing as a Murderer Christian , No such thing as a Liar Christian, you can't make exceptions for any sin. You either follow the rules or you don't.
"Still it says it straight out. homosexuals along with those who practice any other sin will not inherit the kingdom of God."
In 1 Cor. which is again about prostitutes and their customers which is NOT reflective of all homosexuals. And loving someone is ENTIRELY different from lying or murdering.
"You either follow the rules or you don't. "
By this reasoning a woman feeling no need to ask forgiveness for grabbing her husband's attacker's groin would not inherit the Kingdom.
@clay56 You break one rule you break em' all. sin is sin. James 2:10 and onward. Corinthians six nine does indeed mention prostitutes. It mentions homosexuals as well. To the groin thing I say Law of Moses. It is not a moral law but a Judicial one it no longer applies.
hikari4light claims, "The claim that the languages have been misinterprted is phony."
Except, of course, that it's not "phony" at all. The only people who need to spread such an idea are those desperate to cling to the myths they find comfort and justification in. The reality is against you, however.
Hikari4light, au contraire; I know very well that your continued ignorance is by design, and that hatred is too important to you to give up, so you will always refuse to open your heart to God and the truth.
@GodCreatesGays2 LOL then tell me. How are the words mistranslated? give me an example. give me the greek word. give me what it says and what it should say. show me the mistranslation.
Homosexuals are called by our Lord to celibacy.Without that,there is No common ground.
yellowballpoets 4 weeks ago
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"Homosexuals are called by our Lord to celibacy.Without that,there is No common ground."
It looks like Justin Lee and other members of his site, including those who would agree with the first half of your statement, would not see eye to eye with you on the latter.
clay56 4 weeks ago
On the GCN site, Justin Lee not only gives his view that gay can be Christians AND have intimate lives, he also has reserved a section for the views of those who believe homosexuals are called by our Lord to celebacy. It's a good lesson in tolerance especially to those who spam the posts of others they personsally find objectionable to knock them off the main YT board. Fortunately it's a problem that can be remedied with just a couple of clicks. :)
Merry Christmas!!!
clay56 1 month ago
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"dude u don't even make sense and ur making it even more complicated than it is"
If you're having trouble understanding my post, I can certainly simplify it.
Your personal view...
Our Lord's will...
NOT neccessarily OR entirely one and the same.
clay56 1 month ago
man its really that simple, god created adam and eve not adam and steve and he commanded them to be fruitful and multiply and can you do that being gay.....nope. if u disagree then u disobeyed god. THE END.
SixFootEightTao 1 month ago
"man its really that simple, god created adam and eve not adam and steve..."
Advocacy for one orientation does not neccessarily mean prohibition for another.
"and he commanded them to be fruitful and multiply."
Six billion of our Lord's children populate His planet, in short, mission accomplished.
"if u disagree then u disobeyed god."
Colorfully phrased viewpoint. Yet it and our Lord's will are not neccessarily or entirely one and the same.
clay56 1 month ago
@clay56 dude u don't even make sense and ur making it even more complicated than it is
SixFootEightTao 1 month ago
@clay56 to have a relationship with another human,is THE MOST difficult thing on this earth!!whoever you chose.I am a Christian,if someone chooses same sex i dont have a problem with it,its just as impossible as living with a woman so whats the difference!!
onlyjoetee 13 hours ago
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"...if someone chooses same sex i dont have a problem with it,its just as impossible as living with a woman so whats the difference!!"
Good point. :)
I only wish more Christians saw it in a similar light.
clay56 11 hours ago
"It clearly states that homosexuality is a sin in the bible. Romans chapter 1 verse 26-32"
Paul was speaking of a group who had abandoned our Lord and were participating in a pegan ceremony. If they had been UNmarried and engaged in heterosexual acts would the recording of the event be exploited to condemn all heterosexuals, even husbands and wives? It's a tragic double standard TOO many have of the orientations.
clay56 1 month ago
This is so messed up. What is this world coming to? It clearly states that homosexuality is a sin in the bible. Romans chapter 1 verse 26-32. You can't ignore certain places in the bible and only follow the ones that you like.
Updownaroundtown 1 month ago 2
@clay56 I actually listento GCN radio for a variety of reasons and was sad to hear Brian had passed away, seemed like a really good person.
Pursuitofwisdom 1 month ago
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"I actually listento GCN radio for a variety of reasons and was sad to hear Brian had passed away, seemed like a really good person."
Yes he did.
clay56 1 month ago
Here's hoping Justin Lee gets the radio show on his site back up and going soon!
clay56 1 month ago
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No common ground. God is a psychopathic racist homophobe that hates women and loves genocide. This is no secret if you read the bible, or the quran, or the torah. Get real with reality, guys. These people are your enemy. They beat into their followers heads the idea that theyre born with something wrong with them, and that they should kill non believers, homosexuals. These people believe incest was okay, that rape was okay, that genocide was okay. You are just stupid if youre religious and gay.
theSicilianToe 1 month ago
@theSicilianToe Do you realize how that would look to a christian?
jacobbubble2 1 month ago
@jacobbubble2 Half of the people that think theyre a Christian, arent. They dont subscribe to Christian beliefs and those "normal, liberal, day-to-day" people are actually an even bigger nuisance to the Human species then the psycho babbling twats that take the bible word for word. That is the truth though. There is no act too cruel and sick that cant be justified by the god of Abraham, and women and gay people specifically should hold themselves to a much higher standard.
theSicilianToe 1 month ago
@jacobbubble2 In either event, the god of abraham is 100% false. There is nobody that has ever lived on the planet Earth that can tell you anymore about the unknowable then you, or me, or a priest, or a scientist for that matter. Nobody knows. Any guess is simply speculation.
theSicilianToe 1 month ago
Thanks man, you are an inspiration for other gay people struggling with Christianity. We deserve to be good Christians without anyone saying we should change. This is why so many gay people do not want to know God, because since the moment we step on the church people keep telling us to change, the messages of Jesus was to love each other and as gay Christians we can make the difference.
77diegoefe 1 month ago
Part 2
...than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses Him on matters of ultimate judgement.
clay56 2 months ago
also to the lady who said that Jesus didnt speak ab homosexuality,,,youre obviously not an avid bible reader,,,homosexuality was punishable by death in the old test and Paul speaks about it over and over since all scripture is GOD breathed AND INSPIRED I believe that means Jesus did speak about it,,also the only old test law christians are required to follow is the moral law which is clear when it comes to homosexual sex GOD called it an abomination which is a strong word ,,,u dont justify sin
candiceevans1 2 months ago
",,,homosexuality was punishable by death in the old test..."
So was a child cursing his parents in Lev. 20:9. It's one reason why MUCH of Mosaic Law is considered morally uphorrid by many Christians now. And Paul is believed to have spoken about it twice. The problem is the Greek terms he uses in 1 Cor. 6:9. One has a number of definitions, the other is Pauls fusion of the words "man" and "bed." SInce he didn't specify the definition of one word and didn't define the other, we can't... (Cont.)
clay56 2 months ago
I'm writing alot on this bc homosexual Christians try to reconcile their gay lifestyle with their belief in Jesus and end up living a life of sin instead of believing they will be born again,,,,,,they convince themselves that their gay impulse is more powerful than Jesus and can never be removed,,,that's ANTI-CHRIST,,,ITS CALLING JESUS A LIAR,,,HE SAID YOU'D BE BORN AGAIN A NEW CREATURE and u will be if you do what he says,,,deny yourself,,,,be separate touch no unclean thing ,,u can be free
candiceevans1 2 months ago
Part 2
...Be certain Paul was speaking to homosexuality at all much less all same gender relationships. Paul speaks about a same gender orgy in Rom. 1. But would the affections of those involved have been less "vile" had they been heterosexual among UNmarried men and women? Would the recording of the acts be exploited to condemn all heterosexual relationships, even husbands and wives? It's the tragic double standard many have of the different orientations.
clay56 2 months ago
PART 3....U CANT CHANGE YR GAY FEELINGS BUT JESUS CAN,,,Believing Jesus is too weak to deliver you is not faith at all,,,the New Testament is clear that Jesus will make you a new creature you and u know it bc u hate the sin u once loved, you thirst for the word, you hate worldly pursuits, the sin isn't having the gay impulse its acting upon it, men struggle everyday with attraction to other women porn etc its the same struggle DENY YOURSELF BRO THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS AB IMITATING CHRIST
candiceevans1 2 months ago
there are many people in pain praying the prayer over and over rededicating their lives again and again yet they're still living in sin,,if this describes you then your church is preaching a luke warm Gospel,,,you need to leave and find a reformed church,,,Paul Washer style,,,You cant change your homosexual feelings Jesus said DENY YOURSELF TAKE UP YR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME,,,COME OUT FR AMONG THEM AND BE YE SEPARATE TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU,,, GET ON YR KNEES AND BEG DAILY
candiceevans1 2 months ago
being a christian is NOT defined by your belief in Jesus,,,your belief that Jesus was a real person or messiah is worth nothing,,,if you're not born again meaning you've become a new creature,,,you're NOT A CHRISTIAN,,,being born again means you hate the sin you once loved,,,,you avoid it,,,you cant live in sin and be a christian that means adultery or living a gay lifestyle or stealing or insert sin here,,,the new test is clear on homosexuality and the old test is clear see part 2
candiceevans1 2 months ago
",,,you cant live in sin and be a christian that means adultery or living a gay lifestyle or stealing or insert sin here,,,"
Not all Christians believe homosexuality is sinful under all circumstances. Christ said nothing about homosexuality, yet again too many gay Christian opponents exploit His teachings to "prove" he opposed it. This leads to problems with our Lord involving Matt. 7:1-2 and the Nineth Commandment which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18.
clay56 2 months ago
Great News For Gay and Gay Friendly Christians...!
Justin Lee's site (GCN) is resuming radio podcasting before the years out!!!
Welcome Back!
clay56 2 months ago
Though Christ stated nothing in regard to homosexuality, many sadly attempt to exploit His teachings to make it appear as if He did. Those who do may find themselves in need of forgiveness for violation of the Nineth Commandment which Christ upheld in Matt. 19:18.
clay56 2 months ago
@clay56 you might think youre being nice to homosexuals by justifying them in their sin but youre not,,,homosexuals deserve to know that Jesus is GOD and he is powerful enough to change their very nature and make them into a new man,,,a man that hates the sin they once loved,,christian ,men struggle with sexual attraction every day they deny those impulses ,,,making gay men think they should resign themseves to living in sin is wrong and unbiblical your condemning them to hell not helping them
candiceevans1 2 months ago
"you might think youre being nice to homosexuals by justifying them in their sin but youre not..."
There lies the center of the issue since again not all Christians believe homosexuality is sinful in all circumstances.
",,,making gay men think they should resign themseves to living in sin is wrong and unbiblical your condemning them to hell not helping them."
ONLY our Lord decides such things. And Im never more prayerful for the forgiveness of the non Christian, agnostic, or athiest... (Cont.)
clay56 2 months ago
The term "sodomite" is probably one of the biggest misnomers among Christians. It's come to mean homosexual when it simply meant an inhabitant of the city of Sodom. The use of the word in any version of the Bible is all to likely due to personal interpetation far more than faithful translation of the passages. Also the "sin" of Sodom centers around the Hebrew word for "know" or "yada." Gay Christian opponents exploit one among it's ELEVEN definitions in their attempts to condemn homosexuality.
clay56 2 months ago
@clay56 Paul preaches against homosexuality over and over,,,and not just homosexual sin but all manner of sexual sin, when the bible says GOD gave them over to "degrading passions so that men and even their women engaged in unnatural sexual activity because they refused to love the truth" what does that mean? when Jesus said deny yourself and take up yr cross did that mean indulge yr every sexual whim? is Jesus too weak to make a gay man a new man in Christ?did he lie when he promised that>
candiceevans1 2 months ago
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Ephesians 5:11 KJV And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
preachopenair 2 months ago
Then research THE WORSHIP OF BAAL......
Den12tribe 2 months ago
The word Christian and Sodomite do not belong in the same sentence...There is a reason that YAWH forbid it!!! Study Freemasonry...Sodomy is one of the initiating experiences...too open up the CHAKRA....RESEARCH CHAKRA
Den12tribe 2 months ago
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that have just escaped from them who live in error.
Den12tribe 2 months ago
Among whom also we all had our behavior in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children.
Den12tribe 2 months ago
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And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not proper; Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Den12tribe 2 months ago
Anal intercourse is a specific Kundalini arousal method.in Tantra as the "Kundalini gland." Yoga has devised a wide variety of techniques to irritate and awaken this gland into activity, including Mula Bandha, Asvini Mudra, Tada Mudra (knocking the buttocks upon the ground, sending rhythmic shock waves rippling up the spine), and rolling on a cotton ball placed under the tip of the tailbone.
Den12tribe 2 months ago
LOL, the tern gay and homosexual aew fairly new terms....think again....They are Sodomites....and not only men practice this but women as well....also within heterosexual relationships, This is the head DEMON of the kundalini,....Shiva,
Den12tribe 2 months ago
One of the aspects of Justin Lee's site I most admire is that it contains not only the opinions of those who believe homosexuals can be intimate AND Christians under certain circumstances, but also others who believe our Lord called homosexuals to lives of celebacy. It's a very good example of the type of openness and understanding towards divergent viewpoints too many Christians sadly lack.
clay56 2 months ago
this guy is so creepy . trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
timeisupUS 2 months ago
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Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
...and some will have strong delusions that they might believe a lie. You cannot be homosexual and inherit the Kingdom. It's amazing how many people actually think they can do whatever they want and still be saved. I can only pray for such weak minded souls.
Nickelplatealloy 4 months ago
@Nickelplatealloy It's amazing how many people continue to live in the past & believe the old Sodom story. Read your Bible! Ezekiel 16:49 makes it very clear, both in what is said & what is left unsaid. "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food & careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy." Verse 50: "They were haughty & committed abominations before me;therefore, I removed them..." Abominations may/may not have refered to gays.
TheChaz10 4 months ago
@TheChaz10 nothing new about perverts wresting the scriptures: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
timeisupUS 2 months ago
@timeisupUS The sad thing is they twist the scriptures to the point that it only makes sense to their feeble mind who wants to justify filth.
No SAVED person would believe their lies.
The Bible is very clear on there being a process that takes place for a person to even live a out and proud life as a Sodomite: They have to be rejected by God (reprobate) and be given over to do it.
After all, they already rejected God.
Romans 1:18-32 KJV
GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV 2 months ago
@GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV the devils whole agenda is to deceive ppl , to lull them into a false sense of security. this is just one more tactic. never in history has there been more nominal christians world and never has there been so few true christians. sign of the times
timeisupUS 2 months ago
@timeisupUS
Indeed. Jesus referred to it as "the great falling away".
GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV 2 months ago
@Nickelplatealloy It's amazing how many people continue to live in the past & believe the old Sodom story. Read your Bible! Ezekiel 16:49 makes it very clear, both in what is said & what is left unsaid. "This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food & careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy." Verse 50: "They were haughty & committed abominations before me;therefore, I removed them..." Abominations may/may not have refered to gays.
TheChaz10 4 months ago
@TheChaz10
Stop slandering the Bible. It is clear that Sodom and Gomorrah was about men having sex with men.
Several other scriptures back it up or use it for reference as Jude 1:6-8 does in the glorious KJV bible when God mentions the WRATH poured out on the men of Sodom who went after strange flesh would also be poured out on the fallen angels.
The guy in this video is a reprobate. Not a Christian.
GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV 2 months ago
One thing I can certainly appreciate about Justin Lee's organization is that it is accepting and understanding of, not only of Christians who believe gays can have intimiate lives under cirtain circumstances, but also those who feel gays were called to lives of celebacy. It's a good example from which TOO many Christians could stand to learn.
clay56 5 months ago
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clay56 4 months ago
You 'proudly' mention [the] 'gay christian movement (even though God strongly condemns & resists the proud). Could you clarify that? Where in the Bible is it taught that Christians ought to distinguish themselves or establish their identity in Christ Jesus predicated on sexuality? In fact, we are told there is only one Lord,one faith &one baptism into the body of Christ Jesus. Is it not possible that U R deceived ? Does the Bible encourage proud adulterers, thieves, pedophiles& drunkards too
shieldsff 5 months ago
WHAT!!!!!! THERE ARE TONS OF GAYS THE LIVE FOR CHRIST!!!!
0062513 5 months ago
Sorry dude, but a TRUE Christian is NOT and does NOT Tolerate nor Accept homosexuality. Sin can NOT enter the realm of heaven and homosexuality is a perverse sin. Jesus died for our sins, so we can repent, but true repentance implies you leave that lifestyle behind and go forward with Christ. Someone who does NOT realize the error of their ways or just refuses to submit that sinful lifestyle to Christ will NOT enter the gates of heaven and will face judgement when they see God on Judgement Day.
uhscoyotes07 5 months ago
"Sin can NOT enter the realm of heaven and homosexuality..."
Not all Christians believe homosexuality to be sin in all circumstances.
"Someone who does NOT realize the error of their ways or just refuses to submit that sinful lifestyle to Christ will NOT enter the gates of heaven and will face judgement when they see God on Judgement Day."
Thankfully such a decision is for our Lord ONLY. Those who second guess Him on this decision are themselves in need of prayer.
clay56 5 months ago
@uhscoyotes07 So you're Side B? Homosexuality is not a lifestyle it's an orientation. Pretty much most gays who grow up in the church are not sexually active and are still virgins. But they're still gay.
gariadara 4 months ago
LOL... Gay Christian is like that Dave Chapelle bit about a black, white supremacist.
If you're gay, I'd pick a less hateful god to worship, since the Judeo-Christian god prescribes murder for homosexuals.
ripticdu 5 months ago
Justin Lee is talking Nice, which is Nice enough to smooth the way straight to HELL... ! Justin.. plz dont mislead youth to your anti-God activity ! Dont be a stumble block !
jinu03 5 months ago
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"Justin Lee is talking Nice, which is Nice enough to smooth the way straight to HELL... !"
Im never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
clay56 5 months ago
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"Justin Lee is talking Nice, which is Nice enough to smooth the way straight to HELL... !" Im never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on matters of ultimate judgement.
clay56 5 months ago
What I like most about Justin Lee's site (GCN) is that it carries not only view of gay Christian advocates who believe gays, under certain cirmumstances, can be both intimate and Christian, but also that of Christians BOTH gay and hetero who believe gays are called by our Lord to celebacy. I only wish more Christians had this degree of tolerance for dissenting views.
clay56 5 months ago
THIS MAN KEEP SAYING: "Christ" "Christ" "Christ." But, NOT ONCE does he ever say: THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! You know why? Because this is the age of the "False Christ" the "New Age Christ." And, it has 0% to do with JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE LIVING GOD. Beware Saints! Do NOT be deceived. HOMOSEXUALITY IS DARKNESS because it is SIN. Light and Darkness cannot have "fellowship" except that man be called from darkness into JESUS CHRIST MARVELOUS LIGHT - The turning away of SIN.
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
I hope GCN gets back up and running and starts doing radio podcasts again. :)
clay56 7 months ago
Proverbs 6:16-19 (Amplified Bible)
16These six things the Lord hates, indeed, seven are an abomination to Him: 17A proud look [the spirit that makes one overestimate himself and underestimate others], a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,(A) 18A heart that manufactures wicked thoughts and plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, 19A false witness who breathes out lies [even under oath], and he who sows discord among his brethren.
You guys need to love
JaredTVW 8 months ago
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"You guys need to love"
Agreed, and thanks very much for the reminder. :)
clay56 8 months ago
@JaredTVW And, the LOVE of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST is to "call the sinner unto repentance." Homosexuals must REPENT of the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY and be "washed" and "cleansed" and "made whole." There is not any middle ground nor grey area on this FACT. You can NOT live according to your "own nature" i.e., Flesh and yet, walk according to the HOLY SPIRIT. It is impossible to be GAY & CHRISTIAN for this FACT. And any person who thinks they can be GAY & CHRISTIAN is TOTALLY DECEIVED BY SATAN!
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
How can you say you love Christ and yet deliberately disobey him by continuing to live in homosexuality, which is a sign of the wrath of God on mankind?
It is impossible to call yourself a Christian and yet deliberately, consciously, and purposefully continue to be homosexual.
gokkaratt82 9 months ago
"How can you say you love Christ and yet deliberately disobey him by continuing to live in homosexuality, which is a sign of the wrath of God on mankind?"
Since Christ said nothing about homosexuality, the accusation of disobedience to Him is questionable at best.
"It is impossible to call yourself a Christian and yet deliberately, consciously, and purposefully continue to be homosexual".
Many probably believed the same about being a non-Catholic at one time. Some probably still do.
clay56 9 months ago
@gokkaratt82 how are you not dead yet? xD you're a RETARD. go away...just....go away. how can YOU call YOURSELF a christian you're passing judgement unto others before looking within yourself and taking care of your own baggage? fuck off.
kevinbothwell 9 months ago
that's like being a gay nazzi (moron)
AUTdude 10 months ago
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"that's like being a gay nazzi..."
A gay Christian seems like a contridiction in terms to many now, much like a NON-Catholic Christian may have seemed a few centuries ago.
clay56 10 months ago
@AUTdude I know of many Chrisitans who are perpetual drunkards (college guys) and no one, for any reason, seems to question their faith, even though it goes against the very same passage as the homosexuality bit in 1 Cor 6:9-10.
poolerboy0077 8 months ago
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"... even though it goes against the very same passage as the homosexuality bit in 1 Cor 6:9-10."
Two Greek terms Paul used are increasingly believed to be in reference to prostitution, which if true is NO more reflective of all homosexuals than the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her hears was of all heterosexuals.
clay56 8 months ago
@poolerboy0077 Let not any among you that be of Christ Jesus be named a DRUNKARD or a FORNICATOR. You cannot be "GAY" and a "CHRISTIAN" at the same time. No more than you can be a DRUNK and a CHRISTIAN. A FORNICATOR and a CHRISTIAN. A MASTURBATOR and a CHRISTIAN. An ADULTERER and a CHRISTIAN. A STRIPPER and a CHRISTIAN. A WHORE and a CHRISTIAN. A PIMP and a CHRISTIAN. God has made clear the ONLY KIND of "relationship" and "sexuality" that is approved! Male & Female = 1 Flesh.
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@poolerboy0077 Make no mistake WE REAL SERVANTS do address ALL SIN. But, HOMOSEXUALS should make no mistake that their SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY should go unaddress. Additionally, last time I checked there is no POLITICAL MOVEMENT to sanction and "legitimize" the SIN OF ALCOHOLISM. But, there is a POLITICAL MOVEMENT to sanction and attempt to "legitimize" the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY. That is what CHRISTIANS RIGHTFULLY SO are TAKING A STAND AGAINST! THE LIE OF HOMOSEXUALITY.
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@LPATWILLFILM The over-emphasis of homosexuality over all the others is something that is cultural more than a religious qualm. There may be expressed disapproval, but going out of one's way to target a group like that and not others is the hypocrisy and vexation most rightfully pointed out by those on the outside looking in.
poolerboy0077 6 months ago
@poolerboy0077 HOMOSEXUALS unlike OTHER SINNERS are "going out their way" to PROMOTE, PUSH, PROSELYTIZE and PONTIFICATE that the SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY is "not" a SIN. That is what TRUE believers of the LORD JESUS CHRIST are standing against. No OTHER SIN has quite the POLITICAL MOVEMENT & PUSH to turn and change "minds" that such SIN is not a "sin." When GOD makes it clear that such is SIN. When the enemy comes in as a flood - THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD WILL LIFT UP A STANDARD against it!
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@poolerboy0077 The BIBLE says: "Let NOT the wicked exalt himself." HOMOSEXUALS are "exalting" their SIN by way of MAN'S LAW, MEDIA, ENTERTAINMENT and PARADES. That is to the benefit of self-deception and to the detriment of deceiving others and turning them away from THE TRUTH OF GOD and turning them to the LIE OF SIN -- No other SIN GROUP is out marching for their SIN to be thought as "proper" "normal" 'Natural" "prudent" and dare even say: 'God-given." THAT IS WHY SAINTS ARE STANDING UP!
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@poolerboy0077 THE DAY ALCOHOLICS and ADULTERERS start marching in the streets looking for laws and public opinion to "change" that to be a DRUNKARD and a PHILANDER is "OK" is the DAY I will EQUALLY TAKE THE SAME POSITION -- IT IS SIN AND IS TO BE RESISTED. Homosexuals have bought their SIN to the forefront, the World Stage to promote it to be something OK and "good." So, it is for this cause the SAINTS we stand strong by THE HOLY SPIRIT as HE LIFTS UP GOD'S STANDARD AGAINST this blatant LIE!
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@LPATWILLFILM You can usually spot a nutter by his frequent use of capslock.
poolerboy0077 6 months ago
@poolerboy0077 Yes, but yet you CAN'T REFUTE THE "nutter" in speaking THE TRUTH. You can always spot a LIAR, because when they cannot deny nor defeat THE TRUTH they then look for the most "childish" and "insignificant" matters as a means of attempting to create a valid point and to justify illegitimate means. You're CLASSIC. You're TYPICAL. Thanks for the compliment on my frequent use of CAPSLOCK. You should try it sometimes. :)
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@LPATWILLFILM I cannot refute jibbrish, you are correct.
poolerboy0077 6 months ago
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@poolerboy0077 Good so you can't refute yourself.
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@poolerboy0077 And, to make sure you are "correct" that is Gibberish ("sometimes Jibberish"), not "jibbrish." Just FYI. Oops! More CAPS! :)
LPATWILLFILM 6 months ago
@LPATWILLFILM So, are you going to condemn people who are proud of their jobs with the IMF (International Monetary Fund) because Christ himself condemned money changers (mat 21:12) or people who are rich and flaunt it, considering Jesus himself said that the rich are all but guaranteed to not enter heaven? (mat 19:24) How about proud warmongers waving their flags on parade? Are they following Christ's words? (mat 5:9) (mat 26:52)
Jesus was a liberal, pacifist, anti-capitalist. Deal with it.
mysticresistence 5 months ago
@mysticresistence Jesus Christ only condemned "money changers" NOT FOR MONEY CHANGING, but for "money changing IN GOD'S HOUSE." GOD'S HOUSE IS HOLY AND TO BE A PLACE OF PRAYER, not merchandishing. Secondly, Pride is a SIN, so no one should be "proud" to be anything. The RICH He says with GOD & HIM it is POSSIBLE for them to enter HEAVEN. The reason He says its hard for THE RICH (and its true) is because RICH PEOPLE TRUST IN THEIR RICHES not GOD and face diverse temptations of sin.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@LPATWILLFILM Money changers in God's house: i.e., the wealthy bankers SHOULDN'T BE IN CHURCH. Jesus NEVER said the wealthy capitalists classes can get to heaven unless they give up their wealth.
mysticresistence 5 months ago
@mysticresistence That's NOT true. GOD SAID HIS HOUSE IS FOR ALL PEOPLE -- even the Wealthy Bankers. But, when the wealthy bankers come to HIS HOUSE (i.e., CHURCH) they are not to be "doing their business" there. That is what The Lord meant. HIS HOUSE IS HOLY. So, when we go there we are to be ready to receive from HIM and WORSHIP HIM in Spirit and in Truth and have Communion with HIM and Fellowship with one another in HIS NAME. Not "exchanging money" and doing WORLDLY THINGS. Get facts!
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence And, it is NOT true. What you say about ALL wealthy capitalists are to give up their money. The Lord Jesus Christ commissioned the ONE WEALTHY MAN to give up all that he had, because The Lord knew although that guy loved HIM and FOLLOWED GOD'S LAW, yet, that man LOVED HIS RICHES more than HIM. So, Jesus clearly put the challenge to that guy to "go and sell all that you have and follow me." The guy went away sorrowful because at the end of the day, he loved his money more.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence We KNOW for a FACT that THE LORD does not mind those to have WEALTH, for THE BIBLE is clear: "God delights in the prosperity of His Saints (people)." AND "The wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous." AND "It is God that giveth Power to get Wealth." AND, "When riches increase set not your heart upon them." AND "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil (not money itself)." AND, "make friends with the unrighteous mammon." CLEARLY SHOWS GOD IS NOT AGAINST WEALTH.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence When The Lord Jesus Christ was talking about the "first being last and the last being first" He was talking about IN HIS KINGDOM. He is talking about those who are considered or consider themselves as FIRST really are in HIS KINGDOM and in HIS EYES these folks are LAST and the unimportant as considered by others are in HIS KINGDOM and in HIS EYES these are FIRST. But, make no mistake here THE LORD JESUS CHRIST is referring to SPIRITUAL KINGDOM MATTERS.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence He is NOT referrencing that we should consider such to do with all wealthy folks going to HELL and all poor people going to HEAVEN. For FACT, there are rich people that HE HAS SAVED and are a part of HIS KINGDOM and there are poor people that ARE UNSAVED and on their way to perdition. He is showing in these "first and last scriptures" Mark 10:31, Matt 19:30 & Matt 20:16, Luke 13:30; that HIS KINGDOM does not "operate" the way EARTHLY KINGDOMS run and "operate."
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence As far as The Tea Party, I don't subscribe to them, nor any specific political party. They are ALL the same gang. GOP, DEM, TEA, CONSERVATIVE, LIBERAL all the same bag of fruits and nuts. :) I do vote, but I have voted all over the place - Dem, Repub and Indie. I vote issues, not party. Finally, Karl Marx is a prick and a hyprocrite. For fact, while he touted "wealth redistribution" his ass was born to upper-middle class parents and most of his life he was wealthy.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence Very wealthy to the point that he was "often in the upper 5%" of income earners of his time. Yeah, so much for socialism. And so much for your Socialist demigod Marx who did not "practice what he preached." Lol!!! :) You better get a clue about reality and what's really going on down here on this planet. SOCIALISM does NOT work. The Human Spirit is born to strive and achieve and receive reward. Socialism kills this very innate presence GOD puts within man.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence Again, The Proud or The Prideful shall fall. No one should be "proud" or "prideful" about anything. Nothing wrong with celebrating one's Nationality or Country nor is there anything wrong with celebrating a victory for our brave soldiers, but to be PRIDEFUL or PROUD is SIN. The Lord Jesus Christ was OF NO POLITICAL STANCE -- He says that HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD and that He hath come to "Call the Sinner to Repentence." That's not liberal nor conservative.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@mysticresistence But, I beg to disagree with you. Jesus was all about putting money to good use (that is a Capitalist value, not a Socialist one). Read about how Jesus Christ praised THE SHREWED SERVANT. How He discusses the parable of THE TALENTS. GOD IS ABOUT SEED TIME & HARVEST. SOWING & REAPING. MAXIMIZING POTENTIAL. Pray to the Lord of The Harvest that He will send forth Laborers for the laborers are few, but the Harvest is white (meaning plentiful). Not so Socialistic.
LPATWILLFILM 5 months ago
@LPATWILLFILM in Matt 12:17, Jesus says give unto Ceasar (the state) that which is his..i.e., SHUT UP AND PAY YOUR TAXES. Now, are you up in arms against the Tea Party who don't want to give unto Ceasar (Obama) that which is his & PROUDLY defy the word of Jesus? Jesus also said "some who are last shall be first and some who are first shall be last"... Karl Marx couldn't have said it better.
mysticresistence 5 months ago
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"Justin, what other beliefs from the bible do you pick and choose to be true or not?"
The question seems based on the presumption that there's ONLY one legitimate intpetation to ALL scripture when in fact there are MANY different views and interpetations since Christians are people and people are different.
clay56 10 months ago
Justin, what other beliefs from the bible do you pick and choose to be true or not?
rorshakks 10 months ago
you are a reprobate! you have one foot in hell! you are not a christian! a real christian will shun you! it is a grave sin to even debate this. the bible is super clear on this! you Lots wives will all burn in hell forever! that is where this begins and ends! no debate none! None!
cedong77 11 months ago
"you have one foot in hell!"
I am never more prayerful for the non-Christian, agnostic or athiest than I am the fellow Christian who second guesses our Lord on Matters of ultimate judgement.
clay56 11 months ago
@cedong77 You are such an idiot.
blannphinella 10 months ago
"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God... [1JN3:9-10]" Not everyone is a child of God clay56 according to God's servant John. - Rick
77rickhill 1 year ago
I don't want to use the word Christian because it seems in today's time that word is thrown around so much to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. There is no such thing as a "GAY" child of God no more than there is a "MURDERER" child of God or a "LIAR" child of God. It just does not exist! Gay Anus Yearning Sodomites can call themselves whatever they would like, but they do not belong to God and are not part of His Sheep! Gays along with "Churchanity" can be "religious", but that's about it.
77rickhill 1 year ago
"There is no such thing as a "GAY" child of God no more than there is a "MURDERER" child of God or a "LIAR" child of God. It just does not exist!"
Certainly the best and worst of humanity are ALL His children. But a person who kills or harms is ENTIRELY apart from someone who loves.
clay56 1 year ago
"No one who is born of God will continue to sin,..."
And even the most well intentioned, most dedicated can be vulnerable to sin, especially those who seem unable to see their personal belief and the infinately vast and complex will of our Lord as anything other than one and the same, sealing their minds and hearts shut to different ideas, values and beliefs. As such, they may too easily and rashly condemn divergent views as sin which may not be, perhaps creating their OWN need for forgiveness.
clay56 1 year ago
THERE IS NO COMMON GROUND WHEN CHRSTIANS CHOOSE TO KEEP GAYS APART - NO WONDER THE MUSLIMS HATE YOU.
PatrioticBlonde 1 year ago
You're either one or the other. Never both. Of course people walk around claiming to be "Gay Christians" but that doesn't work.We are to die to the desires of the flesh and let God's word supercede.God's word calls it sin. No matter how may loopholes they try to pull with the Hebrew and Greek languages(It still prohibits homosexuality in those BTW) you can't be gay and Christian. You can't practice any deliberate willful sin and be a Christian.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"No matter how may loopholes they try to pull with the Hebrew and Greek languages(It still prohibits homosexuality in those BTW) you can't be gay and Christian."
Review of the Greek and Hebrew text have led many to believe they've been mistranslated and misinterpeted. Many gay Christian opponents act so dismissively about it perhaps since most may not be able to look at let alone acknowledge their OWN VERY possible sin of bearing FALSE wittness and judgement against their nieghbors.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 ROFL there is absolutely nothing to suggest that. It says the same thing. Corinthians 6:9 still prohibits homosexuality as does Leviticus 18:22, as does Leviticus 20:13 as does Romans 1:26-28. Read them in english Hevbrew or Greek its still the same. always.
hikari4light 1 year ago
Except, hikari4light, that it just...isn't the same at all.
GodCreatesGays2 1 year ago
@GodCreatesGays2 The claim that the languages have been misinterprted is phony. It says the same in Hebrew and gGreek believe it or not. Pick up the scriptures in those languages.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"The claim that the languages have been misinterprted is phony. It says the same in Hebrew and gGreek believe it or not."
Greek terms for prostitutes and their customers were replaced in the Revised Standard version in 1946 when the word "homosexual" was first used. In the OT, in Gen. 19:8 the word "know" is all there is to connect the so called "sin of Sodom" to homosexuality. The original Hebrew term has ELEVEN different meanings, yet ONE is exploited to condemn all homosexuals.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 The word "know" is indeed used in a sexual context and not just in the case of sSodom and Gommorah either. It says that Adam Knew his wife Eve and that she concieved and bore a son. What proof is there that the word homosexuality was first used then? I've never read it anywhere save sites with propoganda. LOL even if you try to exclude that verse, Leviticus 18;22 and Leviticus 20:13 are quite clear. Penalty of death revoked of course.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"The word "know" is indeed used in a sexual context and not just in the case of sSodom and Gommorah either. It says that Adam Knew his wife Eve and that she concieved and bore a son."
Since the Hebrew term for "know" has ELEVEN different definitions, the probability of it's meaning the same thing in BOTH cases is EXTREMELY remote.
"Penalty of death revoked of course."
Christ challenged or changed MUCH of Mosaic Law leaving the rest He didn't address, like homosexuality, in question.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 Christ never revcked anything concerning sexual morality. Those laws always stayed the same. The penalty for breaking them Changed.
hikari4light 1 year ago
" Christ never revcked anything concerning sexual morality."
Actually He did in Matt. 19:9 when He stated a man and a woman who divorced under Mosaic Law for any other reason other than adultery were themselves committing adultery if either or both remarried. And again, if He overturned even a single Mosaic Law, it leaves the rest He didn't mention in question.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 LOL that has d to do with marriage. LOL nope. My Parents had many rukles when I was a child Oh so many rules., but one day they revoked a single one, out of all my siblings I was the only one with the ability to perform that action. Was I to assume that just because they revoked the rulesconcerning just one aspect that I could go and break the rest.? no. Thats a childish and stupid notion.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"...that has d to do with marriage. LOL nope. My Parents had many rukles when I was a child Oh so many rules., but one day they revoked a single one, out of all my siblings I was the only one with the ability to perform that action."
Your parents probably made it evident in some way at some point the other rules were in effect, the Gospels do not. So again, Christ's overturning certain Mosaic Laws leaves the rest that go unmentioned in the Gospels in question..
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 Nope. That was left to common sense. they revoked one and onlyu one. Common sense would tell anybody that the others were still in effect. no question.
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clay56 1 year ago
"they revoked one and onlyu one. Common sense would tell anybody that the others were still in effect. no question."
So there's "no question" a woman who's raped and impregnated is in sin for refusing to marry the man who committed the crime as is reqired in Deu. 22:28:29 ? But Im sure that one's another "judicial" exception as well. This and other laws going unmentioned in the Gospels make up a big reason why Christians arrive at different answers to the question: "What would Jesus do?"
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 Judicial law of Moses. No longer applies.
hikari4light 1 year ago
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"Judicial law of Moses. No longer applies."
Sounds like a justification for a double standard as to what laws still apply. If not, then what laws would it apply to and why...and/or why not?
clay56 1 year ago
"Judicial law of Moses. No longer applies."
Others in Mosaic times might have argued such was indeed a moral since a lifelong marriage would have provided the woman a husband to help raise her child. Of course it's understandably a morally reprehensible law in today's churches which is why it is either selectively ignored or placed under the heading "judicial" to justify a quite possible double standard.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 It twas a Judicial law. A law concerning what was to be done given a certain situation . this one concerning rape. In the time of Moses a woman had to marry her rapist. It is not so today. That was Moses's law.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"It twas a Judicial law. A law concerning what was to be done given a certain situation ."
This could describe ALL of Mosaic Law. But more llikely the term is being employeed to subjectively as well as selectively put aside laws found to be personally objectionable. Ironic coming from someone previously stating the importance of adhering to the ENTIRE law.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 How so? "Do not touch the stove" seems very different from "If something is stolen and the thief is caught he must return what he has stolen and oay four times the amount"
hikari4light 1 year ago
"Do not touch the stove" seems very different from "If something is stolen and the thief is caught he must return what he has stolen and oay four times the amount"
Again, you initially state ALL the laws must be adhered to, but then selectively give "judicial" exceptions when confronted with laws you seem to personally find objectionable as if to justify a subjective picking and choosing process, which largely explains why almost NO two Christians can agree on Mosaic Law as a whole.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 LOL are you kidding? If I could pick and choose I'd have at least two tatoos by now. But I Can't Moral Law. no tattoos. Man do I want one. can't have it.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"If I could pick and choose I'd have at least two tatoos by now. But I Can't Moral Law. no tattoos. Man do I want one. can't have it."
Oh Im sure it could BECOME "judicial" if you wanted it badly ENOUGH. The prohibition of homosexuality could also be under such a subjective heading since it was probably banned in part because of the highly limited population of Hebrews at the time which is why bigamy and polygamy were allowed but are considered just as immoral by many Christians today.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 LOL no way. I can't make laws Judicial or Moral. Moral law says no tattoos. that means No tattoos. I don't care how bad I want one. (And I want one REALLY Bad.) Can't have it. The bible isn't subjective. especially law. It doesn't bend to my will.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"The bible isn't subjective."
But one's interpetation and understanding of it too often is.
clay56 1 year ago
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clay56 1 year ago
"Read them in english Hevbrew or Greek its still the same. always."
The Greek text refer to prostitution in 1 Cor. 6:9. It's exploitation in the condemnation of all homosexuals is as ludicrous as trying to condemn all heterosexuality in a case of man with a female prostitute. It's the same with Romans 1:26-28 since all heterosexuality would not be condemned had the acts involved unwed participants of different gender. And evidently the verse between Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13...
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clay56 1 year ago
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,,,that being Lev. 20:9 calling for the killing of children cursing their parents is often conviently skiped by gay Christian opponents. And yes, there's the clobber word "abomination" which is also used to describe the weaving of clothing made from two fabrics in Lev. 19:19. Some Christians may be sincere in their opposition. Yet as such begins to slowly be viewed as a form of bigotry , others exploit the Faith as a means to justify a prejudice and intolerance completely their OWN.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 Not really. People love overlooking the new testament. Death for sin is revoked by Jesus' death. That verse condemns the mixture of linen and wool . Lol corintyhians specificlly says (In all three languages) that homosexuals along with those who practice several other sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God. simple as that. There is not the slightest margin for misunderstanding. especially with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 (without the penalty of death thanks to Christ.)
hikari4light 1 year ago
" Death for sin is revoked by Jesus' death. That verse condemns the mixture of linen and wool."
Yes excecution is quite arguably revoked but not the "sin" itself." Yet such an "abomination" is ignored today by most Christians who wear clothing of mixed fabrics. Only one "abominstion" it seems is formally, SELECTIVELY recognized by gay Christian opponents while the rest are conveniently ignored.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 LOL who would mix kinen and wool together? you'd itch like crazy. That is the only prohibited mixture. no other. I've only seen one garment that ever mixed those two. It doesn't natter how many biblical laws are ignored, It does not make the action acceptable or morrally correct. You don't keep the rules, you don't reap the benefits. God says homosexuality is sin and that it is not to be practiced. (Nor is any other sin.) therefore there is no such thing as a Gay Christian.
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clay56 1 year ago
"It doesn't natter how many biblical laws are ignored, It does not make the action acceptable or morrally correct."
By this reasoning, someone is in sin for eating shrimp (Lev. 1:9-12), sowing a field with two crops (Lev. 19:19), working on Saturday (Lev. 23:32) as is a woman who grabs her husband's attacker by the groin (Due.25:11-12).
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"God says homosexuality is sin "
Mosaic Law appears to indicate such, much of which was refuted by Christ on several ocassions.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 LOL God deems all food clean in the New Testament . Romans Chapter 14.
hikari4light 1 year ago
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clay56 1 year ago
"God deems all food clean in the New Testament . Romans Chapter 14."
Such is indicated beforehand in Acts and the Gospels as well. But if even one of the Mosaic Laws is overturned it leaves the rest that go unmentioned in question.
"LOL"
Im glad we're both having such a good time in this discussion. :)
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 Sure are. Maybe something will be good enough to make me ROFL. but so far I'm only LOL ing.
hikari4light 1 year ago
"Sure are. Maybe something will be good enough to make me ROFL. but so far I'm only LOL ing."
Let the good times roll! :)
clay56 1 year ago
"corintyhians specificlly says (In all three languages) that homosexuals along with those who practice several other sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God."
Again the precise Greek terms are in reference to prostitutes and their customers. The word "homosexual" wouldn't appear for nearly a couple of thousand years in ANY version of the Bible. Based on this it seems many are simply falling back on what they insist the passages say to justify what is slowly being viewed as a form of bigotry.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 ROFL same old same old. It says the same thing. It condemns prostitution and homosexuality in the original languages as well. Thats nothing but a Myth. I wonder why peole keep saying that it differs in the original languages. when it comes to those verses. I found no difference at all.
hikari4light 1 year ago
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clay56 1 year ago
ROFL same old same old. It says the same thing. It condemns prostitution and homosexuality in the original languages as well."
More precisely the prostitution in 1:Cor 6:9 involving men is again NOT reflective of all homosexuals. Many either may not recognize it or are deliberately overlooking it so as not to loose justification to their disgust and intolerance.
clay56 1 year ago
"ROFL same old same old. It says the same thing. It condemns prostitution and homosexuality in the original languages as well."
More precisely the prostitution in 1:Cor 6:9 involving men is being exploited to condemn something NOT reflective of all homosexuals.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 Still it says it straight out. homosexuals along with those who practice any other sin will not inherit the kingdom of God. Simple. No such thing as a Gay christian, no such thing as a Murderer Christian , No such thing as a Liar Christian, you can't make exceptions for any sin. You either follow the rules or you don't.
hikari4light 1 year ago
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clay56 1 year ago
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clay56 1 year ago
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clay56 1 year ago
"Still it says it straight out. homosexuals along with those who practice any other sin will not inherit the kingdom of God."
In 1 Cor. which is again about prostitutes and their customers which is NOT reflective of all homosexuals. And loving someone is ENTIRELY different from lying or murdering.
"You either follow the rules or you don't. "
By this reasoning a woman feeling no need to ask forgiveness for grabbing her husband's attacker's groin would not inherit the Kingdom.
clay56 1 year ago
@clay56 You break one rule you break em' all. sin is sin. James 2:10 and onward. Corinthians six nine does indeed mention prostitutes. It mentions homosexuals as well. To the groin thing I say Law of Moses. It is not a moral law but a Judicial one it no longer applies.
hikari4light 1 year ago
hikari4light claims, "The claim that the languages have been misinterprted is phony."
Except, of course, that it's not "phony" at all. The only people who need to spread such an idea are those desperate to cling to the myths they find comfort and justification in. The reality is against you, however.
Sorry.
GodCreatesGays2 1 year ago
@GodCreatesGays2 Alright then you claim they are misinterpreted. How so?
hikari4light 1 year ago
Hikari4light, people have already explained the truth to you, in the comment section of your own homepage. Read and learn. :)
GodCreatesGays2 1 year ago
@GodCreatesGays2 LOL in other words You don't know. Oh well.
hikari4light 1 year ago
Hikari4light, au contraire; I know very well that your continued ignorance is by design, and that hatred is too important to you to give up, so you will always refuse to open your heart to God and the truth.
GodCreatesGays2 1 year ago
@GodCreatesGays2 LOL then tell me. How are the words mistranslated? give me an example. give me the greek word. give me what it says and what it should say. show me the mistranslation.
hikari4light 1 year ago