Universal Health Care - The Rachel Maddow Show

[MrAlsfan5]

We have a national health service here in Canada too and while it is not perfect, it certainly beats not having health insurance. Without it people would die.

[stringlov]

The People Need The Same, Health Care, Plan As The People Thay Elect.......

[reretacnala]

Wise words. I'm British and we have had a national health service for many years. It may not be perfect and there are certainly problems with it, but it is far preferable to the current US system of the have and the have nots. There is too much scare mongering at the moment stemming from the power of the insurance and drug companies. If people tried to dismantle the NHS in the UK there would be a revolution, and we still have the choice to go private if we wish...

[SgtMalarkey31]

Yes ms. maddow, hitler rationed health care just like obama is wanting to do.

But I think when you were in college you spent more time studying irony, as opposed to world history.

[centurion180ad]

Senator Sanders uses round ‘a bout language to point out why Congress won’t do what must be done, but he does spell out the truth. I’d like to simplify what Senator Sanders said is the problem.

Ready? The problem is GRAFT!

[centurion180ad]

HMOs must be abolished. Insurance racketeers are felons. The new health bill is nothing but a consolidation of power among the insurance arm of the mass murdering Debt Syndicate. Costs will be higher and quality will be FORCED to go down. Medical professionals under Hippocratic Oath and their customers must determine the distribution of resources, not a cabal of sick-O psychopath bureaucrats.

[MattTSteiner]

You've got to be kidding me CollateralSandwich! Politics through fear? You're absurd! That's what Josef Stalin did and we all know how that worked out.

[moon12343]

I wish people would UNDERSTAND why universal health will Literally Kill the economy.People think that if the government pays for your health care you are saved.Let me tell you this,What are those people going to say when they find out that if they need a major procedure that may mean life or death that the government cant afford it and they just have to leave that person die.With that being said you might think you can pay for it yourself,But guess what they won't evan let you do that?

[Shadow7988]

You do realise that private insurance companies already do this? Often turning on their customers and claiming that their plan's coverage doesnt include whatever expensive care the client needs.

[Shadownian]

sorry for typos i was distracted a bit...lol

[Shadownian]

Put it simply for the slow people..

1.3 million a day spent by insurance companies so that this reform is not past.

1.3 Million!

Why would then spend so much...cause they can...they make 10 times more than that daily off of screwing the every day person. Then they buy out politicians who tell you the private system is great..and alot of people buy it

To get some real facts come to my debate:

myspace(.)com/shadownian

click the health care blog and in there is a link to the debate page. Ty

[unlimitedvenom]

"we have not been as clear as we should be in what, in fact, we are fighting for..." Well said, Bernie....thanks for getting the FACTS out there!

[sinner539]

Bernie Sanders is the fucking man.

[mn8aol]

Bernie Sanders is a cheap card trick charlatan.

[jrjustreal]

Government officials shouldn't be concerned with Insurance companies with regards to Health Care reform; because before you know it then it becomes a matter of who is really running our country, The United States Government OR Corrupt Insurance Companies.

[mn8aol]

PG 29, Lines 4-16: Directly rations health care for the elderly. PG 30, Sec 123: Establishes a government committee that decides what treatments/benefits you get. PG 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. PG 50, Section 152: Extends benefits and coverage to illegal immigrants.

[mn8aol]

PG 280, Sec 1151: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for "preventable" visits. PG 298, Lines 9-11: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for readmissions after initial treatment PG 149, Lines 16-24: Imposes an 8% payroll tax penalty for any employer who fails to force his employees onto government insurance.

[kennny732]

if a business cannot or will not respect societal obligations, let them go out of business, some-one who will comply will fill the void

[mn8aol]

You can't do that by replacing a business with the state, which eliminates competition. Where do you go when the state will not respect societal oligations?

[kennny732]

why not replace a business with one which will fulfill societal obligations?

you are too easy on business criminals

[mn8aol]

People on here are crying like the children of Israel after God led them out of bondage; they wanted to go back to slavery! There are people in Honduras who are fighting for their freedom after they ousted wanna be dictator Zelaya in June. Meanwhile our government supports Chavez and Castro in asking for Zelaya's return and you think eliminating competition and giving control to these cretons is going to make it all better. I would rather be hungry and free, then well-fed and in prison!

[kennny732]

i think you are looking at this all the wrong way...

the military in honduras are a junta, the peasents support zelaya, as do the peasents of venezualia...why? because they are educating them! this is a competitive threat to the elitists' there and in this country. the large majority of the peoples of those 2 countries are trying to get out of right wing slavery.

if you believe in competion (believe me, corporations do not) why not a public option?

[mn8aol]

Most corporations are inherently marxist and write most of government policy. Corporations like McDonalds and UPS openly support the Council on La Raza a marxist front group and it was common for corporate planes to fly in and out of the Soviet Union throughout the last century. As for Communism, which you have clearly signaled that you support, follow the money and ask yourself how you can at same time condemn the corporations when they are your biggest supporters!

[kennny732]

conservatives like the ussr,n korea, and maoist china seek to impose the 1%/9%/90% societal model (1% of elites rule, 9% enforce, and 90% serve) thats why our home grown conservatives are hell bent on destroying the middle class.

the primary device they use is to destroy and undermine education and healthcare, and spread disinformation and lies to a gullible public.

[mn8aol]

The way to crush the bourgeoisie (middle class) is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. - Vladimir Lenin

[mn8aol]

How do you, yourself defend marxist ideology and then try to equate communism with conservatives?

[mn8aol]

Answer me this, yes or no? Does the more moral the general people of a nation become require more prisions or less prisons?

[kennny732]

the more a nation disreguards the preventive measures, the more need for prisons will be generated...it takes a villiage

[mn8aol]

You have been saying that for 50 years. Is it working for you? Hillary proved her marxist ideology mediating for Zelaya.

[kennny732]

we have been saying it, but these creatards, birchers, greedheads, keep voting for conservative politicians.

look, this country imprisons more of its citizens then any other industrial nation, and spends LESS on preventive programs. 2 plus 2.

it is a mystery 2 me why some people recieve these facts, yet are still duped by the failed ideology known as conservativism

[mn8aol]

Preventitve programs? Code for getting more of the state in peoples lives. You took God and morality out the picture, put the state between the child and the parent, gave license to all behavior and then promised your physchologists would fix it. Your leaders sit in back rooms and scheme about how to create constant change to so alter public perception from traditional values that the young people won't remember a traditional value is. Again, I ask you? IS IT WORKING FOR YOU?

[kennny732]

yes, preventive programs work for both me and you.

which god and whos morality? how can john hagee and the jehovahs witnesses both be correct? apparently i (and anyone else) is the soarce of the gurus' authority. (see alan watts to fully understand this idea).

look, schoold reduce ignorance, tratment prevents homelessness and its accociated crime (5% of america has severe mental illness).

yes, again, it works for both of us

[mn8aol]

How about the God in the bible and what the scripture says? If back in the 40s and 50's society kept itself in check by admonishing one another, placing a premium on traditional moral values and then you guys came in and attacked all of that and we can clearly see the results, then tell me please when is it going to work? The answer ofcourse it has worked because back then the people kept the state in check, no need to surveil the people, but now the state can come in say it needs to surveil us.

[kennny732]

you do not know history...

people in the 40s 50s 30s whenever were no less wicked then they are now, consider how good southern baptists had no problem lynching a man on saterday, and attending church on sunday.

the fact is, every good thing you enjoy, workplace safety, clean food and water, healthcare for your aged parents, ect ect came from good liberals over the objections of conservatives...same as it ever was

[mn8aol]

I don't know one who can look around their own neighborhood today and know you are vastly distorting the record. Not only do I know of history before marxism rewrote it I am also aware of how "constant change" has been created to intentionally demoralize the masses. (They're hoping no one will remember the constitution and they sure don't want to teach it. ) There were always bad people but nothing like today. The marxists have perverted every good value. What have you guys done to the family?

[taylorsickler123]

keep trying to wake up the sheeple! good job my friend!!!

[mn8aol]

Thank you, taylorsickler. I need all the help I can get. I am the only one wearing a shirt and tie around here.

[mn8aol]

Honduras has had one bloody coup after another since the 1500's. From its independence in 1838 to 1981, Honduras was plagued by over 300 internal rebellions, civil wars, and violent changes of government. When the Honduran people put into their constitution a law on term limits they MEANT it. It is hardly a coup or a junta to oust Zelaya for trying to mess with the law on term limits.

[kennny732]

greedhead type conservatives historically like the status quo, and the status quo for central america is a brutal dictatorship which supports corporate intrests (united fruit).

we will see how this one plays out. the majority of people in those countries (for some reason) LIKE their children to have education and health care, and do not like the idea of enduring a static peasent lifestyle.

we have a proud liberal tradition of freedom in the united states, mann act 1836

[mn8aol]

We have a proud Christian tradition in the United States that dates back to the founding. Some time ago, Godless people figured out that if they could attack admonition and infiltrate education and health they could create the

conditions necessary to then cry for the state to come and control every aspect of people lives. How is "constant change" facilitated by the Helegian-Dialectic preferable to the "status quo?"

[mn8aol]

PG 354, Sec 1177 - Rationing of care for special needs people. PG 425, Lines 17-19: Mandatory government instruction and consultation on living wills, durable power of attorney PG 429, Lines 10-12: Empowers the federal government to order end-of-life plans through "advanced care consultation." PG 430, Lines 11-15: Puts the federal government in complete control of what care you receive at the end of your life.

[mn8aol]

PG 58: The creation of a national ID health card and a comprehensive federal database containing streaming data on every American's personal financial records. PG 59: The federal government accesses your bank accounts for mandatory funds transfers. Pg 95, Lines 8-18: The mandatory use of ACORN and Americorps for signing up Americans to government insurance. PG 195: Federal officers will have full access to every citizen's most private records. PG 272, SeC. 1145: Cancer treatment rationing.

[xdir]

Obama should just force through Healthcare bill off his choice, why negotiate when any failure will be pinned on him anyway? its better to take responsibility for his own "bad" bill then be bipartisan, pander to the other side and take the fall for their trash!! Even If Obama gave the republicans EVERYthing when the current system fails the right will blame him for inaction.

[IndiMusicLover]

Republicans are a bunch of ignorant malcontents, who can be worked into a frenzy about anything. They simply can't live with the reality that they lost the election so badly. Their desperation has lead them to look increasingly insane. Their divorce from reality and retreat into the political netherland of subjective hate and fear, runs counter to the direction of the conciousness of our country. These Palinesque optics will lead them to a major defeat in 2010 and 2012. Life is beautiful.

[moon12343]

Yea right?If Conservatives say anything like that about you fuckin liberals you people pull the damn racist card agian.Come on now,how many times have you guys said stuff about conservatives and not said anything.O yea thats right and we are the ones who are desperate?? yea really.

[captcrais101]

Sanders and Ventura should lead the effort for a third party

[oldhacks]

I sure wish Bernie Sanders would speak about direct democracy on some occasion.

[CollateralSandwich]

From the looks of things, the government is going to end up subsidizing the insurance companies on the taxpayers dime.

Obama is a weakling.

[taoofmichael]

I have strongly supported Obama from the beginning of the primaries.

But you're right. Obama is caving. We put 60 Democrats in the Senate. What else can we do?

[CollateralSandwich]

What President Obama should be doing, is telling any Democrat who opposes a public insurance option, that he will campaign against them in their next primary.

[taoofmichael]

I would love to see him do that.

I, for one, am planning to give money to the opponent of Max Baucus, and Ben Nelson -- whoever those opponents are.

[captcrais101]

Put 60 liberal democrats in the senate. Most of these dems are bought and paid for. Also two of the democrats can't vote. Kennedy is still recovering from his stroke and Byrd is so old that time is catching up with him. He should have retired a LOOOONG time ago.

[mn8aol]

Yeah and put a copy of the The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression at each of their desks.

[jamesholder13]

Hopefully, Senator Sanders will lead the mass mobilization since the Democrats seem to be incapable of doing anything.