Politicians do not make good historians

[Indul1]

The Soviets in eastern Poland never rounded tens of thousands of Polish civilians and slaughtered them just for being Poles or Jews...never...They crimes at Katyn were directed against political opponents and the Office Corps...By the last three months of the 1939, the SS death squads had killed 65,000 Poles and Polish Jews

[toetagjeee]

-1 propoganda and Kremlin propoganda.

[natlissits]

Pointman. My point is that it's all in the past and there is no point in digging up who did what. No country has an angelic history, as this video clearly shows. Today Obama equated Slavery to Holocaust, for instance. Should we now bully the countries envolved in slavery business and segregation? How about colonial wars? Lighten up, you'll make yourself sick otherwise.

[LibertyInOurTime]

Ridiculous. If it were not for the West, especially the United States under FDR, the Soviet dictatorship would have fallen to the Nazi dictatorship. The West transferred millions of dollars of technology and weapons on credit (most of it never paid back) to the Soviets. Why support one totalitarian regime against another? The Commie and Nazi thugs should have been left alone to destroy each other.

[natlissits]

In his speech in Moscow Economy school today Obama spoke at length about Russia's role in defeating nazi Germany. He left no doubt that without Russia the war couldn't have possibly been won. I wonder whether that part of his speech was prompted by this "declaration" by the bunch of unscrupulous losers.

[POlNTMAN]

Rather, it was promted by the need to appease the Russian fuhrer (Putin). Obama is playing the role of Chamberlain you know.

[natlissits]

And why do you think Obama would want to "appease a fuhrer"? Russia is no threat to America in any way (or to anyone else for that matter). Far from that - they've just agreed to start a disarmament process. You are just being bitter and twisted.

[VictorWasechkin]

Baroque A-Bomber is a clown, a show man serving to his bosses. Putin is a real leader.

[furiasha]

I am surprised the politicians are spending the tax payers money on something as useless as trying to label the event which in all its interconnectedness is impossible to label. It's a tactic designed to divert the attention from the collapsed economy and their incapacity to fix it . SPEND OUR MONEY ON SOMETHING MORE USEFUL THAN DWELLING IN THE PAST!

[RussianDefender100]

why is this news ??

The west does not deserve to be taken seriously

all they are good at is propagandas, brainwashing and rewriting and

falsification of history

[odiloglobocnik]

we slavic peoples were victims of communism opresion im so happy now we can live freely anyway betrayel of western europe is something that happened to us offten in case of slovenia after war thousands of people were slaughtered on behalf of british people also becouse they returned people who asked for asylum back to slaughterhouse basicly

not to mention we lost lots of teritory becouse uk and other countrys decided to split slovenia granting part of it to italy and austria

[dancecosmic]

In vain. The Hitlerism is not clearing. Germany - the country on a place of Slavs. I think Hitler's problem: under the slogan of struggle against communism -  to destroy the Slavic civilisation for . So its far relatives in the past did. Hitler is not "pure the Aryan".

[furiasha]

The human history is written with blood, no one is blameless and there's no value in rewriting history now. The timing, however is interesting. I think some people are shitscared that Russia and America might become allies.

[natlissits]

Oh yes, you did let Hitler invade Czechoslovakia. Are you aware of the fact that Stalin tried to persuade Britain and other countries to form a security allience against Hitler. Only after they refused (hoping that Russia would have to fight Germany on its own), the Molotov -Ribentropp act was signed.

[natlissits]

Lots of countries were trying to appease Hitler,by signing all kinds of documents. Which document exactly lead to the war - is open to interpretations according your upbringing. The only solid fact is that Hitler started the war and that we would all speak German now if it wasn't for Russia.

[Flankymanga]

USA and it puppets are trying again to show Russia in bad image. Im Slovak, my country was victim to the betrayal of UK, France, Italy and Poland. If this breakup of CzechoSlovakia would have meaning so that Hitler would be satisfied and wont start World War 2, be it so. But this just triggered his lust for more. I think by signing more pacts with Germany some countries were trying to avoid war. Soviet Union, UK, France, Italy and so on. Don't blame Russia for this WAR!

[peppermintjohn666]

Nobody blames russia for the war, but the agreements made by the soviet union allowed germany to take western poland with a guarantee of a secured flank to turn its forces round and take western europe. This is in the light of relativly recent discoveries that the Soviets actively supported the german war effort; trading supplies, using relay stations, even giving germans naval bases.

[natlissits]

OSCE does blame Russia for starting WW2. That's precisely what we are arguing here about, in case you haven't noticed.

[peppermintjohn666]

No the OSCE says that the Soviet Unionbears equal partnership with nazi germany for allowing the war to happen. If the Soviet Union had a little more pluck and forethought it would not have allowed Germany to invade poland. to start the war Germany needed to secure one of its flanks and the soviets gave them that guarantee, it isnt propaganda or finger pointing just fact. Not that any of that is a bad thing, its just russians need to stop getting all indignant when their history is brought up.

[natlissits]

So why are you getting all indignant at the suggestion that Britain was part of it as well, apart from the history of oppressing other nations (colonial wars)? As this video clearly states, there were other countries, like Britain, whos agreements with nazi Germany allowed them to invade Czecoslovakia, which in fact was the beginning of the WW2.

[peppermintjohn666]

What do you mean 'opressing other nations' half of the empire were protectorates; countries that volutarily formed a perminant alliance with us eg, egypt, the other half was uncivilised tribal backwater, there was not even the basis of a state let alone a 'nation' which is an advanced sociological concept. and what of these 'colonial wars'? and how are thy different to russian colonial wars in its expansion into central asia, siberia, and korea?

[natlissits]

Have you ever heard about the attrocities commited by British colonialists in India, as an example? However, the past is the past. As for the "how different" part - precisely no difference. All the powerful nations at one point or the other suppressed other nations, if they could, even Poland, as we see from this video. So it's really not fair to blame only Russia for all the world's miseries, and certainly not for the beginning of the WW2.

[peppermintjohn666]

I dont blame russia for the worlds miseries and they have certainly been of no bother to anybody in the past 20 years,(save chechenya perhaps). that title would definately go to the US by a longshot. But that was not my point, my point is that what other countries do doesnt make what happens to them more or less deserving; poland helped carve up czechoslovakia, but nobody, even people in germany deserved what happened to them. Countries just need to accept their history and move on.

[natlissits]

One thing is to accept the history, another is to accept a twisted version of it, fabricated 70 years after the event. Russia has moved on a long time ago, after Khrushev's condamnation of Stalinism. Now it's Europe's turn to accept the fact that their owe their present freedom largely to Russia. And let's also not forget Gorbachev, who made it possible for Russians and Eastern Europeans to end the communist era.

[natlissits]

And by the way,peppermint, I've just checked your channel and your "integralist party" - how different is that from nazism?

[peppermintjohn666]

put simply Integralism is the unity of the nation, the nation as a social, cultural, and civic conception

National socialism is the unity of the race, and that 'nation' and race are the same thing

One believes in National struggle, the other believes in Racial struggle, just as marxism is class struggle. it is bot simmilar and completely different on a fundamental principle.

[peppermintjohn666]

The Munich agreement only ceeded the sudetanland, an area of ethnic germans to the third reich. The subsiquent invasion of czechoslovakia was a breech of that agreement. Besides Slovakia did quite welll out of it, it got its own sovereign state.

[happyness01]

Where does Russia's invasion of Poland along with Nazi Germany come into your equation?

[ducati27012]

Yea Hitler didn't have shit on Stalin

[ducati27012]

How did the USSR work out for you???

[ducati27012]

Victor ussr and germany split poland up after they killed the pollish people. and stalin was to busy killing all the ukraninians

[natlissits]

Stalin was busy killing everybody - Russians more than any other nation. Plus his own wife. But that's an entirely different question from who is responsible for the WW2. I dare say it's Hitler, and Hitler alone. All the rest is left to interpretations according to your upbringing.

[DiscoverRussia]

chatolic Ukrainians killed moore Russians and orthodox Ukrainians you can ever imagine !

[natlissits]

Isn't it funny that all this nonsense is happening just before Obama and Medvedev meet to discuss nuclear disarmament ? It almost looks like some people are ready to sabotage the peaceful process and the improvement of the US -Russia relationship to the point of rewriting history if necessary. What is it - fear of losing the precious "victim" status or some other (material) interest?

[POlNTMAN]

Nazi Germany = Soviet Russia

enough said

[VictorWasechkin]

nazi is you. Well said? Lol

[lovehaightorg]

just look at your kid's high school history textbook!

[Vinseneb]

How can he say any of the two regimes were any better than each other. Stalin killed millions of people too. Whether it's one million or twenty million it makes no difference. The western allies had a stake in painting Stalin as a good guy because he was grinding the German war machine into the ground. All those totalitarian models turned tyrannical in the end. Peace!

[NonMasonOrder]

911 is an inside job and just like the Nazis the American government blows up the world trade center and other buildings with tones of people in them and then after that they send all the news stations anthrax to make them shut up about talking about the truth of 911.

Just like Bill Clinton sent police investigators anthrax in Arkansas for the Clinton's cocaine drug running ways for the Private banks of the IRS we American pay taxes too so they can fund Israels illegal wars.

[igorvasilevsky]

This is not even about Stalinism. This is an order to cancel all Russia's (precedor of USSR) positions in international organisations - UN, OSCE, and others; to make all previous USSR signed agreements "illegal".

This is CLEARLY a LIE and a direct attack on Russia through "sanctions" by order of NWO elite.

Just another proof that Russia is a last hope and barrier for busturds, who are trying to rewrite history and blackmail HEROES, saved us from fascism.

[peppermintjohn666]

Well the agreement DID give the SU a third of poland and the balitic states which it kept till 1989. I find it ironic that a news report that condems the politicising of history, is itsels a biased propaganda piece.

[helion1b]

Well, the baltic states hands ain't clean ether since they paticipated in cleaning soviet village on soviet ground and Poland did't care much about Czechoslovakia's independence and sovereignty ether and if we are looking what happend 70 years ago lets look some hundreds in the past when both Poland and the baltic states were empires which had a hobby of genocide and oppressing the russians.

[peppermintjohn666]

and how many villages in east poland found themselves cleared out when their border was moved 100 miles west? just giving them 100 miles of germany made up for it? sure there was a decent population of bellorussians living in E. poland already but it was still polish soil. I am sure the Polish officer corps felt very 'clensed' as well.

[peppermintjohn666]

Lets not make this about who killed who, and 'that country deserved it'. Did any of the alleged actions of poland make what happened to it any less of a crime? Soviet history is full of black spots, so russia should not get all uppity and defensive when people try and point them out. I mean trying to compare handing over the sudetanland to spare europe another world war is not the same as drawing a line down the middle of europe and engaging in rapid expansionism.

[natlissits]

Let's also not forget that every country' s history, especially Britains', is full of black spots. Great video, glad that someone is stating the facts as they are, instead of engaging into a cold war style nonsense.

[richtomes]

Especially Britain's ?

[natlissits]

Yes, richtomes, good old Blighty. Remember all the colonial wars ?

[peppermintjohn666]

That was not the british state, the empire was conquered by private companies and were centralised later on.

[VictorWasechkin]

until 1950s Britain was the greatest aggressor, colonial power, providing genocide in America, Asia, and so on. Not so many years have passed to forget it. At least we in Russia studied it all, and can respond to any accusation with a proportionate comparison.

[natlissits]

I think there is an element of jelousy in Europe, especially in the ex communist block about the fact that Russia together with the US are in the head of a peaceful process. They just love their victim status, because it provides them with an ilusion of a "high moral ground", together with material benifits from the EU. So it's in their interest to keep Russia as a "safe" enemy - the one that is not in a habit of comminting suicide bombing acts in public places.

[richtomes]

Russian has never been much of a colonial power, perhaps due to lack of organisation, but massive aggression against millions of it's own people there certainly has been. It's not intelligent for Europe to now suggest that Russia was equally to blame for starting WW2 - it wasn't. There's also the small fact that Hitler would probably have succeeded if it hadn't been for Russia. Especially at this moment when the time is right for a new beginning we should all be hitting the reset button.

[peppermintjohn666]

Britain an agressive colonial power in the 1950's??? i would expect nothing less from a soviet history book. we had virtually dismantled the empire by that point! I wonder how russia would have handled the lehi group for instance, you would have shot all the jews and just dumped them in somalia, dont think we forgot about hungary and the jewish A.O.

[natlissits]

Britain was an agressive colonial power UNTIL the 1950. Read accurately what was written, instead of twisting it in Sky News style. And that's just the fact and nothing you can do about it. My point is - every country 's history is full of black spots, but it looks like some European countries don't like the fact that Russia and US are trying to make the world a safer place.

[VictorWasechkin]

yes, before any dialog both parties should clarify positions and come to mutually agreed terms and approach. So far, the cold war rhetorics is still remaining in the west. In Russia I don't observe it since early 1990s. It's the stern western anti-Russian stance that makes us keep defending again, and even make own ideological attacks (although incomparable to western attacks like rose revolutions and so on. just imagine Russian-backed rose revolution in Britain, dethroning the quiennie, etc :)

[VictorWasechkin]

ask it from the western Ukraine ;)

[DNchap1417]

It's regrettable that the West is choosing suicide!

[VictorWasechkin]

Great report. I was just so surprised by this OSCE desicion, seems they are agonizing seeing Russia is strengthening again. It's the fact that they are anti-Slavic nazis and racists themselves, praising Bush and forgetting own relations with Hitler. (Bush's grandfather Prescott had some business with the nazi-germs, too).

Those provokators who want a new conflict with Russia are pathetically digging their own grave.

[XorLavir]

>I was just so surprised by this OSCE desicion,

It is just revenge. Three days ago OSCE observers left Georgia. I don't think that any OSCE desicion is taken seriously, eventually it is just bunch of old fags who can't do math, science or finance and have to sit there squeezing sand from their asses.

Hm... I am so kind today. It seems Igor infested me with hate bacillus.

[scorpiooooooh]

VictorWasechkin - Are you going to force me to list all of Russia's business dealings with Nazi Germany before and during the war again? Bah, I'm tired and have better things to then expose your ignorance and revisionism, AGAIN.

People, just know Russia did in fact have cattle for grain deals and other goings on. look it up. yawn. bye.

[VictorWasechkin]

before the war everyone had deals with the Nazi Germany. During the Great Patriotic War USSR had no relations with Germany other than fighting. After gloriously defeating the aggressor, USSR reinstalled the relations again.

And what is your version? ;)

[POlNTMAN]

Do not confuse WWII and the Russian "great patriotic war". The fact is that the Soviet Union was the ally of Germany during the first part of the WWII.

Consider the invasion of Poland for instance. It was a joint Soviet-Nazi agression.

[natlissits]

How about Poland invading Czeckoslovakia? That was a Poland-Nazi agression. Anyway, I clearly see just the disire to kick Russia no matter what. Kindergarden mentality.

[leadman1979]

Poland did not invade Czechoslovakia. When Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia Poland took back the small area of Teschen Czechoslovakia grabbed from Poland when Poland was at war with Bolshevik Russia.

[natlissits]

That's just a matter of interpretation, which is precisely my point - it's stupid to look for the scapegoats 75 years after the event. Move on with your lives guys- Russia did, so should you. Don't get stuck in a past -not healthy.

[VictorWasechkin]

the fact is also that USA, England and France were also allies of Hitler, granting him lands and appeasing him. Moreover, USA continued business ties with German companies such as AG Farben until the end of WWII. So yes, USSR had relations with Germany, especially after the Munich agreement. Who had not? Germany was and is the main economic power of non-Slavic part of Europe.

[POlNTMAN]

But at least western democracies you mentioned never fought on Hitler's side. You've got to give them credit for that. :)

And Poland was not the only victim of Soviet imperialism. Russians also invaded Finland and Baltic states - all in agreement with Nazi Germany.

[natlissits]

As this video clearly states, Poland did fight on Hitler's side, and even has grabbed part of Czeckoslovakia to itself. As for the western democracies - they refused to sign the security agreement proposed by Stalin, after which Russia had no other choice than thinking of its' own security, just like they did (Munich agreement). Anyway, what's the point of making stupid declarations 70 years later? No one was blameless.

[POlNTMAN]

What did invasion of Finland have to do with Russia's sequrity interests? Since when did the notion of legitimate sequrity interests include the occupation of peaceful neibouring countries?

That's the way Russian government defines its "sequrity interests", which is really a cover-up for its imperialist ambitions.

[leadman1979]

Unlike the SU the western nations did not participate in the sacking of European nations.There is a huge difference between the Soviet aggression and the mistakes made by the Allies.