Immigration Policy: Immigration Overview - Prof. Bryan Caplan

[MightyFrenchWarbeast]

Heres my Immigration policy get deport the one s that have commuted additional crimes and the ones that have been a welfare burden on are Country and those that have been working under minimum wage , and give a pathway to Li gal residence and make them a Documented Immagrent if they have been working for what ever minimum wage is and have int committed any crime the ones that have been here illegally for the past 20 or 30 years increase the visa work program thats a human Immagration polcy

[qncsc]

@AllGoodInThePNW - this another powerful argument that gets little voice. as we move forward, there is an already natural assault on "the laborer" as machines are integrated into the economy, more automation, increase utilization of skills and education. with it being harder to find employment without skills, why would the US (a highly developed economy) flood itself with cheap labor? that would be INSANE! as tech increases in US, "the laborer" having a harder time needs protection, not assault

[qncsc]

@ThulsaDoom42 - good arguments. sadly, i rarely see such common sense reasoning from others. i am sure that many must understand the logic but rarely do i see enough "compassion" for the average American laborer. a flood of cheap labor into the US only means a dampening effect on wages. the flood of cheap labor and the exporting of jobs to cheap labor around the world is obvious as to why there is so much debt in the world today in western, developed economies, as wages have been suppressed

[qncsc]

idiot! and this guy is an economist? oh, but i repeat myself.

sure, let's invite the world into the US (not too different than what we have done with "importing" illegal immigrants and exporting jobs) and see the effect...

the effect of a massive increase in supply of low-skilled workers into the US economy would be to destroy wages! with a massive purposed influx of workers, we could cut wages in 1/2. if you have 20 people applying for 50% of the jobs, guess what happens to those wages?

[darklordsma]

@qncsc You're stupid. Your grammar is fucking terrible. Economics isn't math. Cheaper labour leads to more production which ultimately leads to higher living standards for all Americans. You have no idea how many times I've tried to explain this basic point to socialists. Ironically you're just parroting leftist anti-market rhetoric.

You support a massive police state in order to restrict immigration, but claim not to support government agression. Are for real or just pants-on-heads retarded?

[qncsc]

@darklordsma - fucking imbecile: yt comments and you're worried about grammar?! that alone reflects your restriction in imagination and plasticity to understand variant environments. that practical situation extends to higher conceptual issues that you can never have hope of understanding: you are like a bug trying to understand calculus. you fucking imbecile! but i am replying to a fucking cockroach, right? so you have no ability to understand, right?

[qncsc]

@darklordsma - YOU have never had an economics class (or only at an elementary level) if you have no conception of the relevance of math in econ, both implicit and explicit. to add, if you have taken coursework, it has been at shit schools or have read shit material, which again leads to your lack of imagintaion and further proof simplistic thinking. your thinking is: "i can read the comics...and i will become a scientist!" you fucked-up cockroach!

[qncsc]

@darklordsma - cheap labor can be utilized for more production in another country for multinationals and can lead to a higher level of corporate profits for multinationals and the country in which that production occured. consumption is not a reflection of a higher standard of living. debt and consumption (and similarly, the consumption of more debt) of another person's production does not infer prosperity, which is the developed world's dilemma. but as a cockroach you lack ability.

[qncsc]

@darklordsma - restricting immigration has nothing to do with a police state! but again you are that cockroach! you are trying to fantasize your ideas without understanding the world that you live in. but again, as a cockroach, you don't have the ability: the world-over is filled with nation states, hence states either define their position or are subsumed by neighboring countries! so this fantasy that states can have open borders is idiotic to the extreme!

[qncsc]

@darklordsma - the problem of it is: these concepts require a basic mathematical ability to understand. i have come across people like you again and again, whom have their wires crossed because they do not have the means to extend or iterate positions to know what the consequence of their ideas mean. you live in a fantasy world! you fuck it up for the rest of us because of your low-IQ!

[darklordsma]

@qncsc Wow, you have issues. Take your meds mate.

[srcams1]

This guy sounds more like a Liberal than a Libertarian. Either he is in the wrong party or I am, because I don't support open boarders.

[darklordsma]

@srcams1 Then you support state intervention in the market for labour. Open borders is the libertarian position on immigration.

[darklordsma]

@qncsc You want to restrict who capitalists can hire through the use of government force. Yeah you're an anti-capitalist. You're wage depression theory is bullshit. Go read some economics.

[qncsc]

@srcams1 - i agree with you! only an idiot could approve of open borders. that or an extreme elitist that would only benefit with a flood of cheap labor into the country. its such basic math that it is awesome to believe this person is even educated that he cannot understand its implications. such that, if we doubled the US with low-wage, low-skill, low-education (or what the world represents), we could halve wages immediately and imminently change our standard of living to match the worlds!

[qncsc]

@srcams1 - open borders are the quintessential liberal position, not known; it requires govt intrusion into the market and societal-cultural stasis uprooted in order for the policy to be enacted. govt intervenes in international agreements on behalf of multinationals to open trade (extra-intrusion). govt also rewards itself with an explosion of voters, integrating another layer of 3rd world economy labor (intra-intrusion). no one gets this right; nor understands the implications (economics).

[OldManOfHockey]

The problem with your analysis is your comment that there are millions of people in poverty who would like to come here. Not true. Most people do not move. If your analysis were true, would not everyone in poverty in Mississippi move to Texas where there are jobs? They don't. Open borders does not mean we will be inundated with the world's population. It simply means that those who have the courage to try to improve their lives will come and those are the people we should be happy to welcome.

[mattilyons]

@OldManOfHockey That has more to do with low home prices than real trends. In fact one of the great hallmarks of the US work force has been workers mobility within the country in relocating for employment. This has only been changed in the most recent recession for previously stated reasons.

[darklordsma]

@OldManOfHockey Your right, but I don't know whether you realise Caplan is pro-open borders.

[qncsc]

@OldManOfHockey - your argument is specious.

rich and educated people are less inclined to move as they already benefit from existing circumstances. most people realize the truism "if it ain't broke don't fix it." of course people move from areas of low opportunity to places of high opportunity. not everyone but the effect is massive. you are not discerning the nuance and totality of the data, if aware of the data. the larger the wage differential the larger the incentive to modify lifestyle

[TiffyBasil]

I am not opposed to allowing immigrants into the us, however, as you said they are people living in poverty all over the world and there are only 10000 visas given out annually. So how is it fair that the person who came here illegally should get to stay while others have to wait and hope they are picked. To me this seems like cutting in line or cheating, then being praised for it. Illegals should be sent back to their country and then apply for a visa just like everyone else!!!!