My relationship with G-d is nobody's business but mine and G-d's. I don't need "Christians" telling me I need to be "saved". Who does he think he is to tell me that? He is a man, not G-d. That's the problem with "Vatican Assassins" and "Protestant" proxies. They have the nerve to tell me I need an intermediary - THEIR intermediary - the Pope =Pontificus Maximus = Caesar. Then the next thing they require is my money and/or my time (or my life!). Pure Apostasy. Abandon it. Read the Bible.
@24beam, 1 correction: We're not saved by grace through faith "alone." Affixing the word "alone" to grace and faith alters the meaning of scripture, allowing it to be so misconstrued as to permit people to continue "to bring forth fruit unto death" by believing that even the 10 commandments no longer apply to Christians (Rom. 7:5; Eph. 2:2). James 2:17 is the only verse with the words "faith"" and "alone" together: "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." = negative context.
@24beam, Any self-righteous hypocrite can say that they are "trusting" "the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ" "to keep them out of Hell." But are their deeds matching their words? Are they walking in the Spirit mortifying the deeds of the flesh? or are they walking after the flesh committing "the works of the flesh" - "Adultery, fornication,.. I tell you...that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Rom. 6:1,2; 6,12; 1 Cor. 5:9,13; 13:14; Gal. 5:16,19-21,24,25; Col. 3:5)
and if you say you are saved and keep gods commndments you dont just keep 9......think about it get over your pride...........pride is what is keeping all the foolish protestents saying there against chatolic but hug there sunday law till this day...how can you know all this and still keep sunday unless u are with the evil one?
one thing you forgot to ask!!!! you said the 10 commandments.....well you keep the commandmants you dont keep mans aka satans aka trying to break Gods commandment of keeping his day holy saturday...why do you keep sunday...did jesus keep it before or after did his followers?no! it wasint changed and you all want to follow a mans way sunday insted of Gods way ...get it right the commandments are in the ark under the throne and will be there on the last day...what will you say...=/
@DictatorStatus, "he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." 1John5:18. We "are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation" 1Peter1:5, "the gospel of Christ...is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Rom.1:16. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to "keep his commandments." 1John2:3 (see also Luke6:44; John15:14; 1Cor.7:19; Heb.10:39; James1:22; 2:24; 3:11,12; 2Peter1:5-9; 1John2:4; 3:22; 5:2,3; Rev.12:17; 14:12; 22:14).
Just browsing through the comments and seen this question posed,
"If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?"
To my astonishment someone answered,
"He will go... to heaven."
It never ceases to amaze me the extent some people will go to in order to justify the sins of the flesh.
I replied to the comments of 24beam who then brought up his beliefs about a pre-trip "rapture". And 24beam, I never said that we are not saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. I only tried to point out the difference between a superficial false conversion and a genuine Biblical conversion. But you mis-interpreted nearly every scripture I referenced. You called me "close minded." By failing to see that it is not a head problem, but a heart problem, we fail to rightly divide.
that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." Acts 17:31
"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God." Rom. 1412
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Cor. 5:10
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this THE JUDGMENT:" Heb. 9:27
13:41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matt. 8:12; (see also Luke 13:23-29 below)
Go back and read my earlier comments; I have already "replied" to your private interpretations of the scriptures. See the quotes of your Baptist forefathers.
"[E]ternal life" is a gift, not a guaranty. And like any gift, it can be outright rejected; or it can be accepted and cherished; or it can be accepted and then discarded like an unwanted Christmas gift. The gift giver is not responsible for what the recipient does with it.
As far as your remark on being "jerked out of Christ", see Matthew
cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matt. 8:12
"As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;" Matt. 13:40,41
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God." Luke 13:23-29
"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and
Christ, I confess, and thank God for it, who hath said: Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
"that the whore of Babylon represents your mother, the Roman church; for John teaches that sufficiently in Revelations...."
"he [the pope] has set himself in God's place,.. that man of sin... the son of perdition"
"the pope of Rome, in fact, do the works of antichrist"
Jacob de Roore was then promptly burnt alive at the stake.
Your Bible believing Baptist forefathers knew better than this. For they recognized the papacy as the antichrist of scripture, and it was for this reason that they, and every other Protestant Reformer, separated from THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS.
On trial for heresy May 9th, 1569, Jacob de Roore, a faithful anabaptist (early Baptists), said to his Roman Catholic inquisitors, "I have fallen away by the grace of God, from your Babylonish mother, the Roman church, lo the members of the true church of
There you go again, putting words in my mouth. I never told you "not" to read books about the so called rapture. Go back and look at my comment. I said,
"When we start going to the movies and reading so-and-so's new best selling book on the rapture, while we should be at home or with other like-minded saints reading and studying the scriptures, we are apt to believe the fables of Rome."
And this is precisely what you have done: fallen headlong into the propaganda of the Roman Catholic church.
You claim to be a "Bible Believing Baptist" but you cherry-pick a hand full of scriptures to prop up your un-biblical/anti-biblical beliefs while you totally ignore the scores of scriptures that expose your faulty theologies.
strain at a gnat & swallow a camel
You refuse to research the origins of the pre-trip rapture theory, of which there is overwhelming evidence to debunk it.
And you refuse to research What Law Was Nailed To The Cross. This explains why you are so confused about the issue.
You said that "saved" people who die in the middle of commiting the act of adultery will go "to heaven."
Teaching that people can continue to live in their sins after they repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and that they will only temporarily suffer for their sins and not lose their soul, is just as deceiving as the Roman Catholic doctrines of indulgences and purgatory; they are all doctrines of devils.
24beam, If you don't repent and stop teaching this damnable heresy,
you're going to have a lot of lost people weeping in hell and gnashing their teeth, saying, "24beam told me that I didn't have to stop commiting adultery to go to heaven." "24beam told me that I didn't have to forsake my sins to go to heaven." "24beam didn't tell me to 'Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.'" "24beam didn't tell me that 'If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy'."
The two commandments you alluded to earlier, namely, to repent and believe the gospel, are
absolutely essential. But we can't just go about and live any way we feel like living. "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world" Titus 2:11. To repent means to confess and forsake your sins.
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins" 1 John 1:9
"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth
and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Prov. 28:13
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" Acts 3:19
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Rom. 8:13. Paul said, "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:" 1 Cor. 9:27; "And they that are Christs have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." Gal. 5:24
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,.. and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-21
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the
Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting." Gal. 6:7,8
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" 1 Cor. 6:18,19
"If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." 1 Cor. 3:17
come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." Luke 12:46
"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded." Jam. 4:7,8
"He that committeth sin is of the devil;" 1 John 3:8
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." Jam. 1:13-15
will not blot out his name out of the book of life" Rev. 3:5
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Rev. 22:19
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Cor. 5:10
You said that a Christian who is in bed with a whore committing adultery, if he drops dead while in the middle of the very act, he will go "to heaven."
You are going to cause people to lose their souls with this type of unsound doctrine.
"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,.. shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9,10
"whoremongers... all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire" Rev.21:8
"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death" James 5:20
James said, "Brethren". He's speaking to his fellow Christians, not un-saved sinners.
Who is Jesus speaking to in Revelation 2 and 3? "He that hath an ear, let him hear what
"if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator....put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1 Cor. 5:9-13
"How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Hebrews 2:3
"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let
us run with patience the race that is set before us" Heb. 12:1
"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:" 1 Thes. 4:3
"Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;" 1 Pet. 2:11
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Tim. 2:19
Jesus said that "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." John 8:34; and "No servant can serve two masters" Luke 16:13. The apostle John said, "He that committeth sin is of the devil" 1 John 3:8
"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." 1 Cor. 10:12
"thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.... otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." Rom. 11:20-22
Nope, not a Catholic, sorry. In fact it was the Roman Catholic church who is responsible for the belief among Protestants of a pre-trib secret rapture. During the reformation period in the 16th century the church of Rome launched a propaganda campaign via the Jesuits to distract attention from themselves as being the very antichrist of scripture. Every Reformer was unanimous in their interpretation of the Antichrist as the papacy. The Catholics needed a new interpretation of antichrist,
so Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) and Robert Bellarmine, both Catholic Jesuits, wrote books to propagate the futuristic interpretation of biblical prophecy.
It was not until the 19th century that any Protestant even considered such a blatant mis-interpretation of scripture. Read The Testimony Of The Reformers and Left Behind By The Jesuits, articles that are fully referenced to prove this. I can send you the links.
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine....and shall be
This is why it is so important for born again Christians to read the Bible often. When we start going to the movies and reading so-and-so's new best selling book on the rapture, while we should be at home or with other like-minded saints reading and studying the scriptures, we are apt to believe the fables of Rome.
If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?
Jesus said "after the tribulation.... he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect" Matt. 24:29,31
"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Cor. 15:51-53
You are putting words in my mouth. I never said "that you have to keep every commandment in the Bible", otherwise you will have to perform animal sacrifices also.
Furthermore, the very verse you used, 1 Peter 1:5, where we are "kept by the power of God", destroys the fallacious "pre-trib rapture." Jesus said, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." John 17:15
If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?
No need to get our feathers ruffled. I also asked you a simple question, to explain the ten simple verses I listed. And you could not explain them.
I have searched the scriptures daily (as born again disciples should) to know whether or not the "pre-tribulation rapture" and the "once saved, always saved" theologies are based on sound doctrine.
Please Google:
angelfire What Law Was Nailed To The Cross?
And also see this YouTube video:
Secret Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory Questions Answered
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 2 John 1:6
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12:17
A "lazy" "worldly" Christian is a backslidden dead Christian.
Here's an example of a backslidden Christian who repented and turned from his sins and returned to his first love:
And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. (see Luke 15:11-32 and Rev. 2:4,5).
Jesus told the jealous brother of the prodigal son to be glad: for this thy brother was DEAD, and is alive again; and was LOST, and is found. Luke 15:32
I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I didn't say that reading the Bible saves you. I know lots of people who read the Bible and are not saved. But if one is truly saved he, or she, will desire to read the word of God every day and will read it every chance they get, for it sustains us. 1 Pet. 2:2
How does one get saved? By grace through faith. But, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Did you get saved before you heard the word of God in the Bible?
You equate reading the Bible with "works", as in works-based salvation? Nothing could be farther from the truth. If you don't associate reading the Bible with salvation, then it is time to do some serious self examination.
"the gospel of Christ... is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Rom. 1:16
"from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation" 2 Tim. 3:15
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples" John 8:31
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 1 Pet. 2:2
A newborn baby who doesn't regularly feed on its mother's breast will suffer malnutrition or even death. The same is true spiritually for a babe in Christ. The Christian who is not feeding on the milk of the word and growing in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is in grave danger of spiritual death (Jam. 5:20), being led away with the error of the wicked 2 Pet. 3:17
Salvation is simple to the humble born again Christian (Psa. 119:130). But salvation is absolute none-sense and foolishness to the carnal un-regenerated "Christian" (1 Cor. 1:18; 2:14).
If one claims to be a Christian and doesn't read the Bible, God's word which is our daily bread from heaven (Deut. 8:3; 11:18,19; Luke 4:4; John 1:1,14; 6:48; 1Tim. 4:13; 2Tim. 3:16), and if Jesus Christ is not the most precious one in their life, then question #3 has already been answered in the negative.
My relationship with G-d is nobody's business but mine and G-d's. I don't need "Christians" telling me I need to be "saved". Who does he think he is to tell me that? He is a man, not G-d. That's the problem with "Vatican Assassins" and "Protestant" proxies. They have the nerve to tell me I need an intermediary - THEIR intermediary - the Pope =Pontificus Maximus = Caesar. Then the next thing they require is my money and/or my time (or my life!). Pure Apostasy. Abandon it. Read the Bible.
clarkewi 10 months ago
there is no god~!!1
triky1995 11 months ago
@24beam, 1 correction: We're not saved by grace through faith "alone." Affixing the word "alone" to grace and faith alters the meaning of scripture, allowing it to be so misconstrued as to permit people to continue "to bring forth fruit unto death" by believing that even the 10 commandments no longer apply to Christians (Rom. 7:5; Eph. 2:2). James 2:17 is the only verse with the words "faith"" and "alone" together: "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." = negative context.
starburstppl 1 year ago
@24beam, Any self-righteous hypocrite can say that they are "trusting" "the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ" "to keep them out of Hell." But are their deeds matching their words? Are they walking in the Spirit mortifying the deeds of the flesh? or are they walking after the flesh committing "the works of the flesh" - "Adultery, fornication,.. I tell you...that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Rom. 6:1,2; 6,12; 1 Cor. 5:9,13; 13:14; Gal. 5:16,19-21,24,25; Col. 3:5)
starburstppl 1 year ago
Half of churchgoers today are most probably false converts.
ChristiansofAsia 2 years ago
So you repent and then trust Jesus, or trust Jesus, and then repent?
ofcourseofcourseofco 2 years ago
and if you say you are saved and keep gods commndments you dont just keep 9......think about it get over your pride...........pride is what is keeping all the foolish protestents saying there against chatolic but hug there sunday law till this day...how can you know all this and still keep sunday unless u are with the evil one?
cobrayuk 2 years ago
one thing you forgot to ask!!!! you said the 10 commandments.....well you keep the commandmants you dont keep mans aka satans aka trying to break Gods commandment of keeping his day holy saturday...why do you keep sunday...did jesus keep it before or after did his followers?no! it wasint changed and you all want to follow a mans way sunday insted of Gods way ...get it right the commandments are in the ark under the throne and will be there on the last day...what will you say...=/
cobrayuk 2 years ago
wezand2- uh oh im not sure if i really like this video for a couple of reasons.
1. I dont read my Bible every single day, and never met a person that reads their bible everyday without fail.
2. I dont know when I got saved , and how am i supposed to know if im born again or not?
DictatorStatus 2 years ago
@DictatorStatus, "he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." 1John5:18. We "are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation" 1Peter1:5, "the gospel of Christ...is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Rom.1:16. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to "keep his commandments." 1John2:3 (see also Luke6:44; John15:14; 1Cor.7:19; Heb.10:39; James1:22; 2:24; 3:11,12; 2Peter1:5-9; 1John2:4; 3:22; 5:2,3; Rev.12:17; 14:12; 22:14).
wezand2 1 year ago
We don't choose God, God chooses us, and woo's us by His Holy Spirit.
ASeedSower234 2 years ago
Just browsing through the comments and seen this question posed,
"If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?"
To my astonishment someone answered,
"He will go... to heaven."
It never ceases to amaze me the extent some people will go to in order to justify the sins of the flesh.
leapfrogify 2 years ago
Must have been a baptist, most baptists in this area would have the same reaction!
ASeedSower234 2 years ago
I replied to the comments of 24beam who then brought up his beliefs about a pre-trip "rapture". And 24beam, I never said that we are not saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. I only tried to point out the difference between a superficial false conversion and a genuine Biblical conversion. But you mis-interpreted nearly every scripture I referenced. You called me "close minded." By failing to see that it is not a head problem, but a heart problem, we fail to rightly divide.
starburstppl 2 years ago
that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." Acts 17:31
"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God." Rom. 1412
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Cor. 5:10
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this THE JUDGMENT:" Heb. 9:27
starburstppl 2 years ago
inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:...
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." Matt. 25:32-46
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed ALL JUDGMENT unto the Son:" John 5:22
"Because he hath appointed A DAY, in the which HE WILL JUDGE THE WORLD in righteousness by
starburstppl 2 years ago
"whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of THE JUDGMENT" Matt. 5:21
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in THE DAY OF JUDGMENT." Matt. 12:36
"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father,
starburstppl 2 years ago
13:41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matt. 8:12; (see also Luke 13:23-29 below)
starburstppl 2 years ago
Go back and read my earlier comments; I have already "replied" to your private interpretations of the scriptures. See the quotes of your Baptist forefathers.
"[E]ternal life" is a gift, not a guaranty. And like any gift, it can be outright rejected; or it can be accepted and cherished; or it can be accepted and then discarded like an unwanted Christmas gift. The gift giver is not responsible for what the recipient does with it.
As far as your remark on being "jerked out of Christ", see Matthew
starburstppl 2 years ago
cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matt. 8:12
"As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;" Matt. 13:40,41
starburstppl 2 years ago
thou hast taught in our streets.
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God." Luke 13:23-29
"But the children of the kingdom shall be
starburstppl 2 years ago
"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and
starburstppl 2 years ago
Christ, I confess, and thank God for it, who hath said: Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
"that the whore of Babylon represents your mother, the Roman church; for John teaches that sufficiently in Revelations...."
"he [the pope] has set himself in God's place,.. that man of sin... the son of perdition"
"the pope of Rome, in fact, do the works of antichrist"
Jacob de Roore was then promptly burnt alive at the stake.
pp. 98,99
starburstppl 2 years ago
Your Bible believing Baptist forefathers knew better than this. For they recognized the papacy as the antichrist of scripture, and it was for this reason that they, and every other Protestant Reformer, separated from THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS.
On trial for heresy May 9th, 1569, Jacob de Roore, a faithful anabaptist (early Baptists), said to his Roman Catholic inquisitors, "I have fallen away by the grace of God, from your Babylonish mother, the Roman church, lo the members of the true church of
starburstppl 2 years ago
There you go again, putting words in my mouth. I never told you "not" to read books about the so called rapture. Go back and look at my comment. I said,
"When we start going to the movies and reading so-and-so's new best selling book on the rapture, while we should be at home or with other like-minded saints reading and studying the scriptures, we are apt to believe the fables of Rome."
And this is precisely what you have done: fallen headlong into the propaganda of the Roman Catholic church.
starburstppl 2 years ago
You claim to be a "Bible Believing Baptist" but you cherry-pick a hand full of scriptures to prop up your un-biblical/anti-biblical beliefs while you totally ignore the scores of scriptures that expose your faulty theologies.
strain at a gnat & swallow a camel
You refuse to research the origins of the pre-trip rapture theory, of which there is overwhelming evidence to debunk it.
And you refuse to research What Law Was Nailed To The Cross. This explains why you are so confused about the issue.
starburstppl 2 years ago
24beam,
You said that "saved" people who die in the middle of commiting the act of adultery will go "to heaven."
Teaching that people can continue to live in their sins after they repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and that they will only temporarily suffer for their sins and not lose their soul, is just as deceiving as the Roman Catholic doctrines of indulgences and purgatory; they are all doctrines of devils.
24beam, If you don't repent and stop teaching this damnable heresy,
starburstppl 2 years ago
you're going to have a lot of lost people weeping in hell and gnashing their teeth, saying, "24beam told me that I didn't have to stop commiting adultery to go to heaven." "24beam told me that I didn't have to forsake my sins to go to heaven." "24beam didn't tell me to 'Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.'" "24beam didn't tell me that 'If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy'."
The two commandments you alluded to earlier, namely, to repent and believe the gospel, are
starburstppl 2 years ago
absolutely essential. But we can't just go about and live any way we feel like living. "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world" Titus 2:11. To repent means to confess and forsake your sins.
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins" 1 John 1:9
"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth
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and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Prov. 28:13
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" Acts 3:19
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Rom. 8:13. Paul said, "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:" 1 Cor. 9:27; "And they that are Christs have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." Gal. 5:24
"Mortify therefore your members which are upon
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the earth; fornication" Col. 3:5
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,.. and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-21
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the
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Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting." Gal. 6:7,8
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" 1 Cor. 6:18,19
"If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." 1 Cor. 3:17
"The lord of that servant will
starburstppl 2 years ago
come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." Luke 12:46
"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded." Jam. 4:7,8
"He that committeth sin is of the devil;" 1 John 3:8
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
starburstppl 2 years ago
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." Jam. 1:13-15
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezk. 18:20
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Ex. 32:33
"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I
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will not blot out his name out of the book of life" Rev. 3:5
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Rev. 22:19
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Cor. 5:10
starburstppl 2 years ago
Under the New Testament there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles:
"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin" Rom. 3:9
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles" 1 Cor. 12:13
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28
Read "Left Behind By The Jesuits"
starburstppl 2 years ago
24beam,
You said that a Christian who is in bed with a whore committing adultery, if he drops dead while in the middle of the very act, he will go "to heaven."
You are going to cause people to lose their souls with this type of unsound doctrine.
"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,.. shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9,10
starburstppl 2 years ago
24beam,
You said that a "saved" adulterer will go "to heaven."
Whereas the Bible says,
"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,.. shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9,10
"no whoremonger,.. hath any inheritance in the
starburstppl 2 years ago
kingdom of Christ and of God." Eph. 5:5
"whoremongers... all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire" Rev.21:8
"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death" James 5:20
James said, "Brethren". He's speaking to his fellow Christians, not un-saved sinners.
Who is Jesus speaking to in Revelation 2 and 3? "He that hath an ear, let him hear what
starburstppl 2 years ago
the Spirit saith unto the churches." 3:22
"if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator....put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1 Cor. 5:9-13
"How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Hebrews 2:3
"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let
starburstppl 2 years ago
us run with patience the race that is set before us" Heb. 12:1
"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:" 1 Thes. 4:3
"Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;" 1 Pet. 2:11
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Tim. 2:19
starburstppl 2 years ago
Jesus said that "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." John 8:34; and "No servant can serve two masters" Luke 16:13. The apostle John said, "He that committeth sin is of the devil" 1 John 3:8
"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." 1 Cor. 10:12
"thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.... otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." Rom. 11:20-22
starburstppl 2 years ago
Nope, not a Catholic, sorry. In fact it was the Roman Catholic church who is responsible for the belief among Protestants of a pre-trib secret rapture. During the reformation period in the 16th century the church of Rome launched a propaganda campaign via the Jesuits to distract attention from themselves as being the very antichrist of scripture. Every Reformer was unanimous in their interpretation of the Antichrist as the papacy. The Catholics needed a new interpretation of antichrist,
starburstppl 2 years ago
so Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) and Robert Bellarmine, both Catholic Jesuits, wrote books to propagate the futuristic interpretation of biblical prophecy.
It was not until the 19th century that any Protestant even considered such a blatant mis-interpretation of scripture. Read The Testimony Of The Reformers and Left Behind By The Jesuits, articles that are fully referenced to prove this. I can send you the links.
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine....and shall be
starburstppl 2 years ago
turned unto fables." 2 Tim. 4:2-4
This is why it is so important for born again Christians to read the Bible often. When we start going to the movies and reading so-and-so's new best selling book on the rapture, while we should be at home or with other like-minded saints reading and studying the scriptures, we are apt to believe the fables of Rome.
starburstppl 2 years ago
24beam,
If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?
starburstppl 2 years ago
Jesus said "after the tribulation.... he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect" Matt. 24:29,31
"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Cor. 15:51-53
starburstppl 2 years ago
See these scriptures which also dispels any pre-trib rapture:
Matthew 24:21,22,25-27,29-31; Luke 21:16; Acts 14:22; I Thessalonians 4:16,17; II Timothy 3:12; James 5:10; John 17:15; Revelation 1:7,9; 7:14; 12:11,17; 13:7; 14:12
starburstppl 2 years ago
You are putting words in my mouth. I never said "that you have to keep every commandment in the Bible", otherwise you will have to perform animal sacrifices also.
Furthermore, the very verse you used, 1 Peter 1:5, where we are "kept by the power of God", destroys the fallacious "pre-trib rapture." Jesus said, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." John 17:15
starburstppl 2 years ago
"Enoch, Moses, Elijah."?
Enoch was not found because of his faith.
Moses didn't enter the promised land because of his disobedience.
And Elijah's ministry was finished.
None of these have anything whatsoever to do with a "pre-trib rapture."
starburstppl 2 years ago
24beam,
If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?
starburstppl 2 years ago
No need to get our feathers ruffled. I also asked you a simple question, to explain the ten simple verses I listed. And you could not explain them.
I have searched the scriptures daily (as born again disciples should) to know whether or not the "pre-tribulation rapture" and the "once saved, always saved" theologies are based on sound doctrine.
Please Google:
angelfire What Law Was Nailed To The Cross?
And also see this YouTube video:
Secret Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory Questions Answered
starburstppl 2 years ago
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev. 22:14
starburstppl 2 years ago
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 2 John 1:6
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12:17
starburstppl 2 years ago
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1John 5:2
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
starburstppl 2 years ago
24beam,
Explain these ten verses and I'll answer your question:
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 1 Cor. 7:19
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 1 John 2:3
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
starburstppl 2 years ago
A "lazy" "worldly" Christian is a backslidden dead Christian.
Here's an example of a backslidden Christian who repented and turned from his sins and returned to his first love:
And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. (see Luke 15:11-32 and Rev. 2:4,5).
Jesus told the jealous brother of the prodigal son to be glad: for this thy brother was DEAD, and is alive again; and was LOST, and is found. Luke 15:32
starburstppl 2 years ago
I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I didn't say that reading the Bible saves you. I know lots of people who read the Bible and are not saved. But if one is truly saved he, or she, will desire to read the word of God every day and will read it every chance they get, for it sustains us. 1 Pet. 2:2
How does one get saved? By grace through faith. But, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Did you get saved before you heard the word of God in the Bible?
starburstppl 2 years ago
You equate reading the Bible with "works", as in works-based salvation? Nothing could be farther from the truth. If you don't associate reading the Bible with salvation, then it is time to do some serious self examination.
"the gospel of Christ... is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Rom. 1:16
"from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation" 2 Tim. 3:15
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples" John 8:31
starburstppl 2 years ago
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 1 Pet. 2:2
A newborn baby who doesn't regularly feed on its mother's breast will suffer malnutrition or even death. The same is true spiritually for a babe in Christ. The Christian who is not feeding on the milk of the word and growing in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is in grave danger of spiritual death (Jam. 5:20), being led away with the error of the wicked 2 Pet. 3:17
starburstppl 2 years ago
Salvation is simple to the humble born again Christian (Psa. 119:130). But salvation is absolute none-sense and foolishness to the carnal un-regenerated "Christian" (1 Cor. 1:18; 2:14).
If one claims to be a Christian and doesn't read the Bible, God's word which is our daily bread from heaven (Deut. 8:3; 11:18,19; Luke 4:4; John 1:1,14; 6:48; 1Tim. 4:13; 2Tim. 3:16), and if Jesus Christ is not the most precious one in their life, then question #3 has already been answered in the negative.
starburstppl 2 years ago