@Zappina Oh yes you cant shoot back immidiately when you get shot, because of the shock, and cant get up shortly after someone shot your legbone to half.
@lptomtom Galils hold 5 more than is typical for their chambering. Usual cap for .223 rifles is 30, Galils for whatever reason hold 35, and the .308s like Benicio is using hold 25, rather than the usual FAL/G3/AR-10/M14 standard of 20. It's hard to get a good round count from the hallway to the bed, but I roughly counted 26 from the bed magazine change to empty on his last mag.
I love the scene when Robin unleashes that howling scream, ("We're going to take out your baby now") and the scene changes and we see Parker and Longbaugh have arrived, loaded for bear, to rescue(?) her. And it's ambiguous too, since their motivations with Robin have changed since the beginning of the film. i. e at the end when Longbaugh says "She's had enough, man" and they leave her in the care of Dr. Painter.
God I love McQuarrie's writing and I love everyone in this movie, I always thought it was seriously underrated, this amount of originality is often polarizing though.
The only thing that really bothered me about the film is the guys follow tactical strategy the whole movie, and Benecio's character just hoses his rifle near the end of the film completely wasting their ammo.
some good tactics in here. I like how messy and clumsy they became when the bullets started flying because in a real situation like this, it's going to be chaotic just like that. Your motor skills are significantly different when you have a gun pointed at you, let alone being shot at.
Even Rangers don't follow the Ranger Handbook in every case. This is would be good for two man if they stayed as calm as they do and as smooth during real live fire. I would give the most real and tactically accurate to Heat during the final bank robbery scene though. All in all it's as accurate as it needs to be.
You know what's the single most realistic thing about the scene? Everything is professional, crisp, and well timed... until the shooting starts. Then everything goes to bullet spraying and trying not to be an easy target. That, is true realism.
@stanborough0311 They did. The advisor was the director/writer's brother who was also a Navy Seal. I think all these "arm chair generals" should also try to stop criticizing and take into account that these guys are just criminals. So for criminals, they're definately on the up and up.lol
I don't know what you guys are on, but this movie scene was incredibly inaccurate as far as any military standard of room clearing goes. I don't know about law enforcement but if this shit was done in my unit, it would be a good way of getting your asses smoked.
Looks like a Gali (rifle), mossenberg (shotgun) and colt 1911's (pistols) cant be bothered to watch a second time. Type into google ''movie guns'' it'll direct you to the international firearms movie database, it shows every weapon used in pretty much any film. Very interesting site if your into that kinda thing ;)
It started off well and fairly accurate but ultimately to slow to be realistic. Laying down as much fire when your compromised is good but you would think you would show a little control when your only carrying about 50 rounds of ammunition. Americans always have been good at pissing it away so they can look 'cool' with their sidearms. But hey its a movie... shouldnt be too critical.
@CoffeeFiend1 Well... as they say, ammo is cheap, life is expensive, you can get more of one later. And I think I commented earlier that you can carry four to six 1911 mags in the space of a single Galil mag - thought that brings the question of why he didn't just bring a duffel of ammo and mags.
@BattleRatProductions I think it is because some of the mistakes are very obvious and should have been easily corrected if it is true that "a US Navy SEAL was a technical advisor for the gunfight scenes."
While I agree that this film is realistic compared to your average hollywood film, these two constantly standing in doorways is a huge red flag. That is one of the first things you learn to avoid in MOUT. "Passing the squeeze" is generally a good thing to do with your non-firing hand too. I enjoyed the movie and the fight scenes though. Too bad we don't get more films like this.
@tcwestcocc They're random, good for nothing kidnappers, so effective tactics in the first place seem rather unrealistic, if you think about it. But that wouldn't make for good gunfights.
I have a question. How many actual fire fights have you been in? Ask yourself this before sharing your expert Swat team, DEVGRU room clearing tactics with youtube
For a film of this budget, made in this era, with actors paid at or below scale, this film was extremely realistic. In many ways it was the first of its kind. Also, I can tell you from first hand experience these guys get it does as well or better than people in real life that do it for a living. Their gun handling skills and tactics are for the most part spot on for their characters. In the end, that is what you want.
@sniperRobert dude, the directors brother was the advisor to the tactics in the film, his brothers also a US NAVY SEAL, so your saying that the SEALS tactics are shit?
and if you dont belive me, check out the trivia for the film on IMDb
@sniperRobert lol people are upvoting this crap . Trigger discipline is displayed in abundance in this movie. There was no scope for accidental trigger pull there. @1:03 That was the only door on that side. It was instinctive. Adding sniper in front of your name somehow doesn't qualify you to be an expert on live combat, especially when you spew crap like this.
Oh and @ 1:14 It is quite realstic given that the galils bullets pierced the mud wall easily. it might not have been a bright idea.
@sniperRobert Obviously these are just actors and this is still just a Hollywood movie. However, you rarely, if ever, see this kind of muzzle consciousness and tactical movement.
0:12 - if you are only 2 then one guy covering the hallway with more doors in it is probably not a terrible idea. I think I would have chosen the shotgun to enter the room though and left the combat rifle covering the hall.
0:30 - realistically in an austere environment, I could see him having his finger (cont)
@sniperRobert No. 1 @ 0:12 he isn't going in ALONE. How are 2 bodies supposed to fit through a door at the same time? PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Parker is covering while making sure no one ambushes as is the case as soon as they BOTH are in the room and Taye Diggs and the mexican guy fire. Parke comes in half a sec. after lombaugh. @ 0:50 when your being shot at from the other side by two professionals, I DOUBT CIVILIANS WILL HAPPEN TO BE IN THE SAME VICINITY in the situation they're in.
@sniperRobert @ 0:57 that is clearly parkers fault for not covering while Lombaugh is tailing Taye Diggs across the room while shooting through the walls. He ends up having his back turned based on that. Parker should've been covering that door. @ 1:03 if your get shot in the ankle and a gun is in your hand are you really gonna wait to for your eyes to hit the target from the direction the shot came or a physical reaction is gonna overpower that? You would've done the same. You nitpicked the vid
Not realistic at all...elbows sticking out, shotgun guy is behind his buddy...sloppy shooting...hasty room entry...then they pause for no adequate reason...not adequately covering all the angles...it's a miracle they didn't get wasted. I know it's not intended to be or advertised as an uber realistic movie, but whoever posted this claiming it was is half right at best.
At least this movie attempts to treat a gunfight realistically. CQB is about hosing down a room with bullets and praying to whatever deity you worship that one or two of those little lead fuckers actually manages to hit a guy. Bulletproof vests are not magic fairy shields, either. I wish all action movies were like this.
@117ty No CQB isnt about that- you'd much rather make a good entry, clear the corners and sweep to the center of the room, engaging the HOSTILES with well -aimed shots and AVOIDING shooting a non-combatant. I dont know where you learned CQB.
Also, note that the story ends with the two of them essentially bleeding to death after what some would argue to be a futile effort to get rich quick. I think the director is symbolically questioning the maxim that "crime doesn't pay", especially when the narration of the movie begins and ends with a criticism of "God's plan" for the good and the evil. Good CQB or not, there are arguably some things in this universe that are outside of our control. Just something to consider, guys.
Some of you have made valid points about the excessive "wall shooting" issue, but I think others are missing the point in a narrative context. One of the underlying themes of the movie is that there are many deterministic aspects of life that cannot be surmounted. Their existence as criminals desperate for cash underscores a sort of nihilistic desire to not be bound by destiny or any preconceived notion of law and order. The erratic fighting style used by Del Torro's character reflects this.
@rakshasajakir I dont think the writer/ director put as much thought into this as you did. People like action and shooting and bullets going through walls and the wild erratic shooting by Benicio Del Torro's character reflects this. Its ok though- its natural in American society today to put a dramatic or metaphoric spin on things (esp movies) that never intended to be. Were all expert movie critics after being so saturated with the full spectrum of high and low quality films of every genre.
@generalcrustard0311 Oh, yeah, that's actually part of my point when I say that Del Toro's character is nihilistic. The movie itself is very careless with its premise, and while I think my argument still stands, I definitely see your point here. The director actually mentioned, in paraphrasing, that he more or less set up the movie as an allegory of how pointless and uncontrollable life can be sometimes.
@generalcrustard0311 If nothing else, the movie still manages to be open to interpretation in both good ways and bad ways. The paradox of this scene is that the simplicity of the shootout is symbolic in and of itself. Lack of meaning can be meaning all on its own. Oh, and I'm technically not American, but what you're saying has some truth to it. In many ways, it really is just some guy blasting through a wall.
i think u guys are missing the point... the way they entered in the beginning is the way SWAT do it.. the pat on the back they did is how navy seals say.. ready
@BattleRatProductions Yeah, your a friggan idiot. It doesn't even have the "auto" position on it, it is a semi-auto rifle because a selective fire 308 galil would be almost impossible to find in america. Galils were only imported for a few years before being banned in the late 80's, and only about 10000 made it over seas. Though it could be converted, the cycle-rate is way too slow for that to be the case, and is just a movie trick.
THIS IS CRAP! LMAO First of all, NEVER SHOOT FULL AUTO! And Secondly....WHEN THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA RUN OUT OF AMMOU LOL YOU ONLY FIRED 200 DAMN BULLETS! lol
@Rowend912 He actually fires it semi-auto (on closer observation Del Toro pulls the trigger rapidly). Why they made it sound/look like full auto is beyond me.
well no one wants to be perfectly accurate with magazine size. Besides its just a movie, i mean it was realy smart to take in mind that guns have to reload and you can only carry SO many mags
I love how the guy with the Galil is like, cutting the room in half with the Galil. Oh and I counted, his first mag was about 54 rounds. Didn't bother to count the second mag. lol
Well, here's the thing. If you take a quick peek, and it turns out there is someone, you have to swing your weapon out, or return to cover, the enemy now knowing exactly where you are. Besides, you can only peek one direction at a time. These guys entered simultaneously to cover each other's blind spots. Peeking out and pieing off corners are ultimately solo tactics.
thats not realistic at all. way too slow clearing rooms, hardly any rear security going down halls, he was already out into the open in the hall without his weapon up, when he should have pied the corner, and just blind shooting into the walls. retarded.
as realistic as this was...it was total BS that guys with such sophisticated training woulde be relagated to selling sperm for money. it just doesn't make sense that men this 'talented' would be such losers in life. they would be employed by Blackwater with such skills. good job on the badass realism but it's hard to suspend reality to the point where these specialized guys have no options in life.
Well, when they see your head pop out of a corner, it takes away the surprise and nothings really stopping them from spraying through the wall and getting people killed. When you breach like that it catches em off guard. Plus you can't peak thru an open door. You'd have to open it which would, again, fuck you over big time.
tell ya what wasn't realistic! going in and spraying two full mags fully automatic on what was that? a .308? didn't see it very clearly. furthermore did anyone see any attempt by the actors to make it look like the guns had actual recoil?
0:55. his whole upper body is shaking from the recoil. And I'm willing to bet that Christopher McQuarrie's (the director of the film) brother, a US Navy SEAL, who was technical advisor for the gunfight scenes has a better idea of how they would react.
It looked pretty realistic to me. Some people can handle recoil alot better then others. and yea, that was a Galil Arm in 7.62x51mm. They only have 25 round magazines, but it looks like he's using m14 converted mags in this.
You are correct. It is a semi only. If you watch closely he is pulling the trigger as fast as he can. Also the bolt is only going back in a semi style. The Galil is chambered in 5.56, it's rof is only slightly less then the M16.
Oh right. Well i didn't notice the fire selector. Which i probably should of payed attention to. And i'm not that familiar with the Galil rifle so i just assumed it just had a slow as shit rate of fire. Lol
Yeah, I think I'd rather have the shotgun in a CQB situation. Not a pump shotgun, I would want an autoloader...you just might need that split second that it takes to rack another round in the pump!
It's often a good way to get killed. Often, you want to get the drop on the guys on the other room. Flashbangs would help even more. If you can buy 2, 3 seconds, that can be more than enough time to drill 3,4 people.
well yeah, the man taking point has the shittiest job, but either way you go in the room, same shit.
Flashbangs help disorient the guys in the room, buys some seconds. Plus, most people can't shoot straight and they would most likely miss, giving you time to target his ass. Constant movement would seem imperative in this situation by the way, I don't see the actors do that... and spraying around bullets in full auto is also lame :P
yep, sometimes even a headshot is not a 100% guarantee
I think they do with snake cams. i've never cleared rooms before, but i would imagine that when you look in a room, your head's exposed without a gun protecting it. If you see an enemy, and he sees you, you're gonna want shoot him first. So have that gun pointing where you look.
Well, how do expect to make solid hits in this type of situation? Are you going to take some shots that you'll probably miss to keep the guy down, or wait to be shot?
Right? Shoulda slung it. I like this movie, but all he brought with him was two 25-rd mags of 7.62? And after two mad-minute mag dumps, he's dry! It's a plot point, 'cuz the scene after when they go for the loot, they shoot it out with the bag men, and the Galil would have evened it up for them, so whatever.
Chambered for both. 5.56 mags hold 35 rds, 7.62 mags hold 25 rds. They're mods of the Finnish Valmet, and the South Africans took them and did their own mods to produce the early R series.
Well Galil can use both 7.62 rounds and 5.56 rounds. never the less if you watch the magazine of galil it looks like that gun is one whit 5.56 magazine (i am not 100% sure of it) magazine whit 7.62 rounds is much more curve than that clip
This is why I don't go to Mexico for prostitutes anymore. Did you see how that black Mexcin was a shootin at tham fellas when teys just a tryin' ta get tham some a that cheap Mescin pussy? sela tha Boarders!!!
LOL! You shouldn't go for mexiroach prostitutes anyways. You should know by now that mexico's main export to the US is STD's and anchor babies that need to be drowned at birth if not hangered out with rusted barbed wire and rock salt!
If I remember right, it's a 25 round box magazine which is pretty large for a semi in that caliber. Wanted to buy one for a while but they're up in the 4-5 grand range.
Up until about 0:40 it's fine but then just blitzing at the wall in a line where you anticipate the guy to go is just a waste of ammo. For all you know the guy could've just hit the deck while you're merrily blasting away.
Everything was good except for at 0:27. The first guy was wayyyy too exposed before the #2 man covered his section of the hall. He's dead. Even though they did shoulder touch procedure once or twice, it should have been done at each door. I'm nit picking, but overa
Huh? Realistic? I would give a nobel prize to any shooter who can shoot a perfect straight line with an assault rifle to a wall in full auto.
Zappina 1 week ago
@Zappina Oh yes you cant shoot back immidiately when you get shot, because of the shock, and cant get up shortly after someone shot your legbone to half.
Zappina 1 week ago
anyone else catch phillipe use his firing hand for a shoulder squeeze? all in all a very sound scene, very realistic.
I love when the two dudes stick their pistols around the corner and Del Toro gets that "oh shit" face and starts laying it down.
anybody talking about "fire discipline" in that situation has no experience in real life.
and from a tactical analysis, he did the right thing: gained fire superiority and drove the threat from their cover.
MrRokaroo 1 month ago
Looks like a lot of rounds from a single Galil mag...
lptomtom 1 month ago
@lptomtom Galils hold 5 more than is typical for their chambering. Usual cap for .223 rifles is 30, Galils for whatever reason hold 35, and the .308s like Benicio is using hold 25, rather than the usual FAL/G3/AR-10/M14 standard of 20. It's hard to get a good round count from the hallway to the bed, but I roughly counted 26 from the bed magazine change to empty on his last mag.
XH1927 3 weeks ago
I love the scene when Robin unleashes that howling scream, ("We're going to take out your baby now") and the scene changes and we see Parker and Longbaugh have arrived, loaded for bear, to rescue(?) her. And it's ambiguous too, since their motivations with Robin have changed since the beginning of the film. i. e at the end when Longbaugh says "She's had enough, man" and they leave her in the care of Dr. Painter.
mahound9 2 months ago
I always thought these two where supposed to be former soldiers turned mercs
Abirosa79 4 months ago
their are only two movies i have seen with realism this one and Three Kings
Ablethe7 4 months ago
what is that shotgun called anyone know?
780VolvoVn 5 months ago
@780VolvoVn It's an 8 round Remington 870.
aaronscrewme 5 months ago
God I love McQuarrie's writing and I love everyone in this movie, I always thought it was seriously underrated, this amount of originality is often polarizing though.
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tipforeveryone 8 months ago
The only thing that really bothered me about the film is the guys follow tactical strategy the whole movie, and Benecio's character just hoses his rifle near the end of the film completely wasting their ammo.
ZackisDead 8 months ago in playlist shoot outs
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yoroot20 9 months ago
Always thought that Longbaugh and Parker were ex-military or some such.
Three5ty 9 months ago
is that a galil?
guterbol 9 months ago
@guterbol yes.
Rossriders 9 months ago
some good tactics in here. I like how messy and clumsy they became when the bullets started flying because in a real situation like this, it's going to be chaotic just like that. Your motor skills are significantly different when you have a gun pointed at you, let alone being shot at.
TheOnlyRiktor 10 months ago
The guy with the rifle wasted a lot of ammo shooting at all those walls.
GaTiger11 10 months ago
this movie is one of the most underrated in history...it still bothers me that more people don't know about it, or bother to watch it
fishinwithguns 10 months ago
Even Rangers don't follow the Ranger Handbook in every case. This is would be good for two man if they stayed as calm as they do and as smooth during real live fire. I would give the most real and tactically accurate to Heat during the final bank robbery scene though. All in all it's as accurate as it needs to be.
laddie85able 11 months ago
Heheheheheehe that Galil sounds so beautiful
laffyta2 1 year ago
they die at the end dont they?
blja 1 year ago
You know what's the single most realistic thing about the scene? Everything is professional, crisp, and well timed... until the shooting starts. Then everything goes to bullet spraying and trying not to be an easy target. That, is true realism.
John234pwns 1 year ago 8
As a professional I was very impressed with their tactics in the movie they must have had a great advisor.
stanborough0311 1 year ago
@stanborough0311 They did. The advisor was the director/writer's brother who was also a Navy Seal. I think all these "arm chair generals" should also try to stop criticizing and take into account that these guys are just criminals. So for criminals, they're definately on the up and up.lol
bigstabby 1 year ago 3
I disagree, the actors in black hawk down had their stuff right on the money
fferroni 1 year ago
I don't know what you guys are on, but this movie scene was incredibly inaccurate as far as any military standard of room clearing goes. I don't know about law enforcement but if this shit was done in my unit, it would be a good way of getting your asses smoked.
fferroni 1 year ago
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Looks like a Gali (rifle), mossenberg (shotgun) and colt 1911's (pistols) cant be bothered to watch a second time. Type into google ''movie guns'' it'll direct you to the international firearms movie database, it shows every weapon used in pretty much any film. Very interesting site if your into that kinda thing ;)
CoffeeFiend1 1 year ago
What guns wer used?
1312scarface 1 year ago
@1312scarface try searching imfdb,you can see all movies with all weapon references use in the movie
shok2death 1 year ago
It started off well and fairly accurate but ultimately to slow to be realistic. Laying down as much fire when your compromised is good but you would think you would show a little control when your only carrying about 50 rounds of ammunition. Americans always have been good at pissing it away so they can look 'cool' with their sidearms. But hey its a movie... shouldnt be too critical.
CoffeeFiend1 1 year ago
@CoffeeFiend1 Way to generalize.. ;-)
irken8313 1 year ago
@CoffeeFiend1 Well... as they say, ammo is cheap, life is expensive, you can get more of one later. And I think I commented earlier that you can carry four to six 1911 mags in the space of a single Galil mag - thought that brings the question of why he didn't just bring a duffel of ammo and mags.
John234pwns 1 year ago
wtf's louis doing in this movie?
iceguy0077 1 year ago
@BattleRatProductions I think it is because some of the mistakes are very obvious and should have been easily corrected if it is true that "a US Navy SEAL was a technical advisor for the gunfight scenes."
tcwestcocc 1 year ago
While I agree that this film is realistic compared to your average hollywood film, these two constantly standing in doorways is a huge red flag. That is one of the first things you learn to avoid in MOUT. "Passing the squeeze" is generally a good thing to do with your non-firing hand too. I enjoyed the movie and the fight scenes though. Too bad we don't get more films like this.
tcwestcocc 1 year ago
@tcwestcocc They're random, good for nothing kidnappers, so effective tactics in the first place seem rather unrealistic, if you think about it. But that wouldn't make for good gunfights.
John234pwns 1 year ago
@John234pwns it's heavily implied in the movie that they are ex military SF of some kind.
deadwood223 1 year ago
@deadwood223 Well perhaps, but only by their gun handling, which, again could just be an oversight.
John234pwns 1 year ago
What kind of machinegun did he use?
1312scarface 1 year ago
wow, that was dam realistic, for a movie. the only noticable thing i had seen was the galil had no recoil. wel i think it was a galil
xNINJAxTACTCALx 1 year ago
They might be good at walking through rooms, but they can't aim for shit.
FriendOverThere 1 year ago
first guy uses assault rifle and second guy shotgun -> stupid if second guy engages target at front and takes out first guy in the process..haha
but it´s a movie!
jastraugmxde 1 year ago
I have a question. How many actual fire fights have you been in? Ask yourself this before sharing your expert Swat team, DEVGRU room clearing tactics with youtube
alienkid 1 year ago
Though I don't agree with him, this scene was horribly inaccurate to the military standard of room clearing. Read your ranger handbook.
fferroni 1 year ago
@fferroni Ranger Handbook, people who actually clear rooms for a living, and movies are 3 completely different things.
alienkid 1 year ago
i like when he's feeling his jacket for magazines it makes it seem even more real
piemaster474 1 year ago
I like people who think that just because something isn't done perfectly it's unrealistic.
I'm not in the police or military and have no training so I guess it would be unrealistic if I tried clearing a room.
asmzzz 1 year ago
I agree Sniper At 0:23 or 0:24 Entered the room alone once more this is horrible!
Lannykins1 1 year ago
Ummm...it's just a movie guys. LOL
reinarosamunda 1 year ago 2
that one dude had good shooting a straight line in the walll lol
garbageday99 1 year ago
absolutely terrible room clearing. Maybe that's why they both got shot.
FalconWolfe 1 year ago
For a film of this budget, made in this era, with actors paid at or below scale, this film was extremely realistic. In many ways it was the first of its kind. Also, I can tell you from first hand experience these guys get it does as well or better than people in real life that do it for a living. Their gun handling skills and tactics are for the most part spot on for their characters. In the end, that is what you want.
tacticalcity 1 year ago
not realistic
nippe97 1 year ago
that piece of shit isn't realistic
0:12 NEVER go to the room ALONE.
0:30 keep your fucking finger out of the trigger
0:50 what if there would be also civilians?
0:57 that's what happens when you don't watch what is behind you
1:03 wtf? he shot before he saw the guy
1:14 yea now you must look for ammo for half day, because you wasted it on shooting to the walls retards
sniperRobert 1 year ago
@sniperRobert
Watch the film and you will the answer to all your questions and remark ;-)
Have a nice pleasure.
kalisteboat 1 year ago
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AnotherWhiskey 1 year ago
@sniperRobert
1. There are only two of them.
2. True. Would a person, who's got little experience w/ firearms and/or doesn't practice shooting regularly make that mistake? Also true.
3. Why the fuck would anyone care? It's all about the money.
4. Could've happened to anyone.
5. He shot to the direction from which he was shot at.
6. Maybe wasted, yet enough to convince the badguy that it's not worth the attempt.
AnotherWhiskey 1 year ago
@AnotherWhiskey Ammo is cheap, life isn't. Though... really, Longbaugh? Eight 1911 magazines and two Galil mags?
John234pwns 1 year ago
@sniperRobert dude, the directors brother was the advisor to the tactics in the film, his brothers also a US NAVY SEAL, so your saying that the SEALS tactics are shit?
and if you dont belive me, check out the trivia for the film on IMDb
JarheadM4A1 1 year ago
@sniperRobert Have you ever even practiced clearing a room with someone else?
Let's break it down:
1) What if you ARE alone? What do you do, wait for your airsoft buddies to show up?
2) They were on the offensive, assaulting. If you don't keep your finger on the trigger, then where, pray tell do you keep it?
3) It's an assault.
4) High stress situation. you fuck up. it happens.
5)suppressive fire
6) same as above, though that was a waste of ammo.
cantu023 1 year ago
@sniperRobert just because they make mistakes dosen´t mean that the movie is unrealistic
peopel make mistakes in real life all the time
pyro80 1 year ago 2
@sniperRobert
0:12 There are only two, one in back on in front
0:30 they're within a live combat situation (typically when your life is on the line, you don't think about finger safety)
0:50 They are criminals, they don't give a fuck about civilians, have you seen the movie?
0:57 perfect example of why 0:12
1:03 he was shot in the leg from that direction, self defense comes before recognizing who shot him
1:14 Yeah, I'm sure he'll find ammunition in a care package.
Go back to your games.
theorangegreen 1 year ago
@sniperRobert lol people are upvoting this crap . Trigger discipline is displayed in abundance in this movie. There was no scope for accidental trigger pull there. @1:03 That was the only door on that side. It was instinctive. Adding sniper in front of your name somehow doesn't qualify you to be an expert on live combat, especially when you spew crap like this.
Oh and @ 1:14 It is quite realstic given that the galils bullets pierced the mud wall easily. it might not have been a bright idea.
bioskope 1 year ago 17
what are you talking about, there was no sign of fire discipline in the scene, all they did was pop off rounds without any tactical movement
fferroni 1 year ago
@bioskope oh here we go arm chair warriors measuring dicks
Alexn1067 1 year ago
@sniperRobert Obviously these are just actors and this is still just a Hollywood movie. However, you rarely, if ever, see this kind of muzzle consciousness and tactical movement.
0:12 - if you are only 2 then one guy covering the hallway with more doors in it is probably not a terrible idea. I think I would have chosen the shotgun to enter the room though and left the combat rifle covering the hall.
0:30 - realistically in an austere environment, I could see him having his finger (cont)
jj128 1 year ago
@sniperRobert in the trigger well.
As for the rest of your complaints, can't argue. They pretty much fell apart, wasting ammo and hitting nothing while getting shot themselves.
jj128 1 year ago
@sniperRobert No. 1 @ 0:12 he isn't going in ALONE. How are 2 bodies supposed to fit through a door at the same time? PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Parker is covering while making sure no one ambushes as is the case as soon as they BOTH are in the room and Taye Diggs and the mexican guy fire. Parke comes in half a sec. after lombaugh. @ 0:50 when your being shot at from the other side by two professionals, I DOUBT CIVILIANS WILL HAPPEN TO BE IN THE SAME VICINITY in the situation they're in.
Slimkidd730 1 year ago
@sniperRobert @ 0:57 that is clearly parkers fault for not covering while Lombaugh is tailing Taye Diggs across the room while shooting through the walls. He ends up having his back turned based on that. Parker should've been covering that door. @ 1:03 if your get shot in the ankle and a gun is in your hand are you really gonna wait to for your eyes to hit the target from the direction the shot came or a physical reaction is gonna overpower that? You would've done the same. You nitpicked the vid
Slimkidd730 1 year ago
I guess he only had 2 mags for that Galil
Excalibur01 1 year ago
@nebula25x Lol, love the sarcasm ^^ you get a thumbs up for that mate.
The1stRalph 1 year ago
@The1stRalph not sarcasm dumbshit
69thedominator69 1 year ago
@69thedominator69 Hah, then you seriously need some education dude.
The1stRalph 1 year ago
thumbs up if you think 0:49 was a waste of ammo
jumbi100 1 year ago
@raendril008
hahah i was thinkin the same. crossin each others field of fire, not cutting the pie. this is silly. good entertainment though.
Dierwolf2000 1 year ago 2
@Dierwolf2000 you don't cut when you breach a room.
Search for tactics on team clearing of rooms, breaching doors then rushing in is different
TheOrangeRoad 1 year ago
@TheOrangeRoad
I am aware of that sir, however they did round several corners did they not?
Dierwolf2000 1 year ago
Ummm...so when they step into the room a good half-second apart, that's a realistic room clearing? Definitely not.
3RDW0RLD 1 year ago
Not realistic at all...elbows sticking out, shotgun guy is behind his buddy...sloppy shooting...hasty room entry...then they pause for no adequate reason...not adequately covering all the angles...it's a miracle they didn't get wasted. I know it's not intended to be or advertised as an uber realistic movie, but whoever posted this claiming it was is half right at best.
irmeleeman5995 1 year ago
have to say CQB is not just hosing down a room.
Now collateral damage is a major factor.
bullets travel a long way and houses are not built that sturdy these days.
suppresive fire is overrated aim more shoot less and hit what you aim at.
In this film collateral damage is a minor if it is a concern at all.
the impressive thing is the way they flow like water from room to room.
5321flippy 1 year ago
Wow, this came out in 2000? Never heard of it.
Nachtgheist 1 year ago
he is using a galil assault rifle
inconvenient12345 1 year ago
This one of the best underrated and overlooked films out there and a plan is just a list of things that don't happen.
Minus42Zero 1 year ago
At least this movie attempts to treat a gunfight realistically. CQB is about hosing down a room with bullets and praying to whatever deity you worship that one or two of those little lead fuckers actually manages to hit a guy. Bulletproof vests are not magic fairy shields, either. I wish all action movies were like this.
117ty 1 year ago
@117ty No CQB isnt about that- you'd much rather make a good entry, clear the corners and sweep to the center of the room, engaging the HOSTILES with well -aimed shots and AVOIDING shooting a non-combatant. I dont know where you learned CQB.
generalcrustard0311 1 year ago
@117ty wow your retarded, try know what you talk about before you post something the only thing you were right about was the bulletproof vests
jedidraco89 1 year ago
you do all realise that the fight choreography or this film was done by the directors brother.
a decorated navy seal who has served in DevGru i believe.
5321flippy 1 year ago
Putting a bullet every inch into the wall and letting the guy with the shotty walk behind you.
Yeah right, great tactics.
ninjadawg84 1 year ago
hehehe benicio del toro has wallhack :D
trickorweed 1 year ago 2
Another great room clearing/teamwork clip is the apartment shootout in The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx.
ogrecorps 1 year ago
Also, note that the story ends with the two of them essentially bleeding to death after what some would argue to be a futile effort to get rich quick. I think the director is symbolically questioning the maxim that "crime doesn't pay", especially when the narration of the movie begins and ends with a criticism of "God's plan" for the good and the evil. Good CQB or not, there are arguably some things in this universe that are outside of our control. Just something to consider, guys.
rakshasajakir 1 year ago
Some of you have made valid points about the excessive "wall shooting" issue, but I think others are missing the point in a narrative context. One of the underlying themes of the movie is that there are many deterministic aspects of life that cannot be surmounted. Their existence as criminals desperate for cash underscores a sort of nihilistic desire to not be bound by destiny or any preconceived notion of law and order. The erratic fighting style used by Del Torro's character reflects this.
rakshasajakir 1 year ago
@rakshasajakir I dont think the writer/ director put as much thought into this as you did. People like action and shooting and bullets going through walls and the wild erratic shooting by Benicio Del Torro's character reflects this. Its ok though- its natural in American society today to put a dramatic or metaphoric spin on things (esp movies) that never intended to be. Were all expert movie critics after being so saturated with the full spectrum of high and low quality films of every genre.
generalcrustard0311 1 year ago
@generalcrustard0311 Oh, yeah, that's actually part of my point when I say that Del Toro's character is nihilistic. The movie itself is very careless with its premise, and while I think my argument still stands, I definitely see your point here. The director actually mentioned, in paraphrasing, that he more or less set up the movie as an allegory of how pointless and uncontrollable life can be sometimes.
rakshasajakir 1 year ago
@generalcrustard0311 If nothing else, the movie still manages to be open to interpretation in both good ways and bad ways. The paradox of this scene is that the simplicity of the shootout is symbolic in and of itself. Lack of meaning can be meaning all on its own. Oh, and I'm technically not American, but what you're saying has some truth to it. In many ways, it really is just some guy blasting through a wall.
rakshasajakir 1 year ago
fail CQB
redneckman102 1 year ago
Dont shoot through a wall THAT high! Hollywood!
HerbWalker 1 year ago
@BattleRatProductions First off its not a Galil, rather an FAL.
trevinboy 1 year ago
@elitesack 10 flashbangs and 10 swat huh, what are you a complete retard who just watches action movies all the time? stfu u piece of shit
blink180heights 1 year ago 2
i think u guys are missing the point... the way they entered in the beginning is the way SWAT do it.. the pat on the back they did is how navy seals say.. ready
blink180heights 1 year ago
They didn't clear shit... they got shot up because they were too busy wasting ammo
pathfinderLXXIV 1 year ago
if ur room clearing why the fuck would u be using a shotgun and an assault rifle.
FoxyGreenFox 1 year ago
@BattleRatProductions Yeah, your a friggan idiot. It doesn't even have the "auto" position on it, it is a semi-auto rifle because a selective fire 308 galil would be almost impossible to find in america. Galils were only imported for a few years before being banned in the late 80's, and only about 10000 made it over seas. Though it could be converted, the cycle-rate is way too slow for that to be the case, and is just a movie trick.
Iwent2Jared 1 year ago
@Iwent2Jared Its a FAL.
trevinboy 1 year ago
@trevinboy My bad, that is a Galil.
trevinboy 1 year ago
HAHAHAAHA realistic my ass
kajpa 1 year ago
Problem is, he wasn't firing on full auto. Watch the action - it's moving way too slow for the rate of fire.
RL2K7 1 year ago
It figures there would be a set number of degenerates bashing this movie.
fireseal117 2 years ago
THIS IS CRAP! LMAO First of all, NEVER SHOOT FULL AUTO! And Secondly....WHEN THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA RUN OUT OF AMMOU LOL YOU ONLY FIRED 200 DAMN BULLETS! lol
NeverLostHope93 2 years ago
aaaand that...ladies and gentlemen. Is how to NOT shoot a full automatic rifle. (unless you just like wasting shells)
Rowend912 2 years ago
I was just thinking how the hell he can shoot so straight with fullauto, and why the hell he is firing fullauto haha
sebbesass 2 years ago
Shooting like that....He couldn't hit a school bus if it was parked on top of em.
Rowend912 2 years ago
Word
sebbesass 2 years ago
@Rowend912 He actually fires it semi-auto (on closer observation Del Toro pulls the trigger rapidly). Why they made it sound/look like full auto is beyond me.
AlkoTanko 2 years ago
well no one wants to be perfectly accurate with magazine size. Besides its just a movie, i mean it was realy smart to take in mind that guns have to reload and you can only carry SO many mags
swisscheese132 2 years ago
The Galil is a 7.62x51 NATO verison, so it fires bigger bullets
Excalibur01 2 years ago
@Excalibur01 Wasn't it Israeli??
trevinboy 1 year ago
I love how the guy with the Galil is like, cutting the room in half with the Galil. Oh and I counted, his first mag was about 54 rounds. Didn't bother to count the second mag. lol
SpecialAgent57 2 years ago
Lewis ran off to find some peels
jcole60brit 2 years ago
Well, here's the thing. If you take a quick peek, and it turns out there is someone, you have to swing your weapon out, or return to cover, the enemy now knowing exactly where you are. Besides, you can only peek one direction at a time. These guys entered simultaneously to cover each other's blind spots. Peeking out and pieing off corners are ultimately solo tactics.
John234pwns 2 years ago
Why does Benicio have only 2 mags for his Galil but like 6 for his 1911?
Milk929 2 years ago
LOL im not in the military(yet) but im pretty sure a Gali doesnt have unlimited round he fired like 50
awktsoloflyer 2 years ago
35 rounds in 5.56
Keijopena 2 years ago
I think a Galil has a faster rate of fire than depicted here
FrankDaTank1218 2 years ago
thats not realistic at all. way too slow clearing rooms, hardly any rear security going down halls, he was already out into the open in the hall without his weapon up, when he should have pied the corner, and just blind shooting into the walls. retarded.
ceverest2 2 years ago
realistic?? :D:D:D
0Odyssey0 2 years ago 2
you both would be dead.you much stick together
MrSchram 2 years ago
as realistic as this was...it was total BS that guys with such sophisticated training woulde be relagated to selling sperm for money. it just doesn't make sense that men this 'talented' would be such losers in life. they would be employed by Blackwater with such skills. good job on the badass realism but it's hard to suspend reality to the point where these specialized guys have no options in life.
ninjoravslimelight 2 years ago
what movie?
TKDgeehun 2 years ago
Well, when they see your head pop out of a corner, it takes away the surprise and nothings really stopping them from spraying through the wall and getting people killed. When you breach like that it catches em off guard. Plus you can't peak thru an open door. You'd have to open it which would, again, fuck you over big time.
LoosaFace 2 years ago 2
tell ya what wasn't realistic! going in and spraying two full mags fully automatic on what was that? a .308? didn't see it very clearly. furthermore did anyone see any attempt by the actors to make it look like the guns had actual recoil?
mr454casu1l 2 years ago
0:55. his whole upper body is shaking from the recoil. And I'm willing to bet that Christopher McQuarrie's (the director of the film) brother, a US Navy SEAL, who was technical advisor for the gunfight scenes has a better idea of how they would react.
Biscuitchris7again 2 years ago
7.62 Galil I beleive.
themadscientist13 2 years ago
It looked pretty realistic to me. Some people can handle recoil alot better then others. and yea, that was a Galil Arm in 7.62x51mm. They only have 25 round magazines, but it looks like he's using m14 converted mags in this.
Iwent2Jared 2 years ago
The ARM magazines look vaguely like extended M14 magazines, actually...
John234pwns 2 years ago
They pretty much are the same with i different design. M14 magazines need to be converted, though, to work in a Galil.
Iwent2Jared 2 years ago
And one more thing, the Galil ARM there is a semi-auto only version. He was actually firing off all those rounds in semi auto.
Iwent2Jared 2 years ago
Yeah it looked like a .308 and semi auto you say? The guys gotta bit of a fast trigger finger lol
mr454casu1l 2 years ago
Too slow for a conversion. you can tell its semi auto by looking at the fire selector. Only as S and R positions
Iwent2Jared 2 years ago
You are correct. It is a semi only. If you watch closely he is pulling the trigger as fast as he can. Also the bolt is only going back in a semi style. The Galil is chambered in 5.56, it's rof is only slightly less then the M16.
GBMairsoft 2 years ago
This one is chambered in .308 Winchester, you can tell by the 20" barrel and magazine, which is thicker and has no curve.
Iwent2Jared 2 years ago
Oh right. Well i didn't notice the fire selector. Which i probably should of payed attention to. And i'm not that familiar with the Galil rifle so i just assumed it just had a slow as shit rate of fire. Lol
mr454casu1l 2 years ago
Yeah, I think I'd rather have the shotgun in a CQB situation. Not a pump shotgun, I would want an autoloader...you just might need that split second that it takes to rack another round in the pump!
firestream93 2 years ago
Yeah. Unfortunately, it seems the bad guys got the drop on THEM, not the other way around.
Rayndeon 2 years ago
It's often a good way to get killed. Often, you want to get the drop on the guys on the other room. Flashbangs would help even more. If you can buy 2, 3 seconds, that can be more than enough time to drill 3,4 people.
Rayndeon 2 years ago
This movie got the best gun fights I've ever seen in any movie hands down
HDibbles 2 years ago
well yeah, the man taking point has the shittiest job, but either way you go in the room, same shit.
Flashbangs help disorient the guys in the room, buys some seconds. Plus, most people can't shoot straight and they would most likely miss, giving you time to target his ass. Constant movement would seem imperative in this situation by the way, I don't see the actors do that... and spraying around bullets in full auto is also lame :P
yep, sometimes even a headshot is not a 100% guarantee
lexmurphy 2 years ago
I think they do with snake cams. i've never cleared rooms before, but i would imagine that when you look in a room, your head's exposed without a gun protecting it. If you see an enemy, and he sees you, you're gonna want shoot him first. So have that gun pointing where you look.
lexmurphy 2 years ago
Nice shotgun MISSES. so tactical....they shoot THEN aim and don't even do a 3-2 clear properly. Misleading video title.
Smittyswymer 2 years ago
Well, how do expect to make solid hits in this type of situation? Are you going to take some shots that you'll probably miss to keep the guy down, or wait to be shot?
John234pwns 2 years ago
thats pretty good wut movie
nativedjd 2 years ago
are you retarded? ..does it not say Way of the gun?
dawhitecastle 2 years ago
well excuse me. thats a pretty gay name and i was hoping it would be a little better than that
nativedjd 2 years ago
Why is it a gay name? What would you call it?
dawhitecastle 2 years ago
Right? Shoulda slung it. I like this movie, but all he brought with him was two 25-rd mags of 7.62? And after two mad-minute mag dumps, he's dry! It's a plot point, 'cuz the scene after when they go for the loot, they shoot it out with the bag men, and the Galil would have evened it up for them, so whatever.
akhilleus514 2 years ago
I think the Galil rifles shoot the 5.56, right?
TheGeneralHimself92 2 years ago
Chambered for both. 5.56 mags hold 35 rds, 7.62 mags hold 25 rds. They're mods of the Finnish Valmet, and the South Africans took them and did their own mods to produce the early R series.
akhilleus514 2 years ago
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akhilleus514 2 years ago
Well Galil can use both 7.62 rounds and 5.56 rounds. never the less if you watch the magazine of galil it looks like that gun is one whit 5.56 magazine (i am not 100% sure of it) magazine whit 7.62 rounds is much more curve than that clip
ospehu1 2 years ago
realistically they shot have made all kill shots
joyousplatapus 2 years ago
This is why I don't go to Mexico for prostitutes anymore. Did you see how that black Mexcin was a shootin at tham fellas when teys just a tryin' ta get tham some a that cheap Mescin pussy? sela tha Boarders!!!
MCDCBPAUX 2 years ago
LOL! You shouldn't go for mexiroach prostitutes anyways. You should know by now that mexico's main export to the US is STD's and anchor babies that need to be drowned at birth if not hangered out with rusted barbed wire and rock salt!
LucaviAD 2 years ago
Is the Galil a 7.62 or 5.56 chambered? The boxier mag makes me think 7.62, but he's handling it like it's a 5.56.
tonelar415 2 years ago
7.62x51
If I remember right, it's a 25 round box magazine which is pretty large for a semi in that caliber. Wanted to buy one for a while but they're up in the 4-5 grand range.
robadonkadonk 2 years ago
My years playing counterstrike, make me an armchair general on tactical matters.DOH
zbudda 2 years ago
Up until about 0:40 it's fine but then just blitzing at the wall in a line where you anticipate the guy to go is just a waste of ammo. For all you know the guy could've just hit the deck while you're merrily blasting away.
7983hy89 2 years ago 2
Good point... especially if you figure the numbers they're up against. I'd want to make that rifle last a lot longer.
tonelar415 2 years ago 2
Everything was good except for at 0:27. The first guy was wayyyy too exposed before the #2 man covered his section of the hall. He's dead. Even though they did shoulder touch procedure once or twice, it should have been done at each door. I'm nit picking, but overa