I have been to several pro-lite forums where there's been "Click here for graphic pictures"
and many pro-lighters said, 'No, I cant bring myself to look, I couldn't bear it."
Should we force THEM to look? Make it a law that they have to? Or is it possible to grasp the issue without resorting to lurid images and rubbing their face in the blood?
YOU WANT TO WHY because we know it is not a happy thing but this is a free country and we have the choice to have an abortion or not to have one and i do not hate pro lifers in general i have alot of friends who are pro life (those friedns are also gun owners, meat eaters, and have family members in the military dosent make much sense does it?) what i hate are the people trying to take away my right of choice in a FREE COUNTRY so all you people standing on the street F*CK OFF!!!!!!!
yOU WANT TO WHY because we know it is not a happy thing but this is a free country and we have the choice to have an abortion or not to have one and i do not hate pro lifers in general i have alot of friends who are pro life (those friedns are also gun owners, meat eaters, and have family members in the military dosent make much sense does it?) what i hate are the people trying to take away my right of choice in a FREE COUNTRY so all you people standing on the street F*CK OFF!!!!!!!
TOU WANT TO WHY because we know it is not a happy thing but this is a free country and we have the choice to have an abortion or not to have one and i do not hate pro lifers in general i have alot of friends who are pro life (those friedns are also gun owners, meat eaters, and have family members in the military dosent make much sense does it?) what i hate are the people trying to take away my right of choice in a FREE COUNTRY so all you people standing on the street F*CK OFF!!!!!!!
I've heard before "that isn't a real image!". What do pro-choicers mean when they say that? Do they honestly think we faked these images? That when a partial-birth abortion happens, it's not a mutilated little human being... it's a beautiful little mess? Pro-choicers are offended because these images are the product of what happens when humans have the choice to kill other humans.
@Hexl702 To be honest, it would further justify my opinion. Legal or illegal, abortion is still wrong, I don't just want it illegal, I want it gone altogether. Such an image as you describe just shows the pain and what's wrong with abortions.
pro choicers need to give babies that choice rather THEY live or die who said one person could control rather that little cell grows up has kids, gets married, goes to colledge, first day of pre-k, there first date, that one little cell could do all of that but instead its either flushed down a toliet or sucked up in a machine..but you get to walk out of that clinic and finsh your life.
@DarkIncentive - "An abortion is not murder, because the loss of a person never took place. Life has been lost, but not "a life". There is a difference." -
So, "life" has been taken but not "a life"? What on earth does that mean?
You say "there is a difference", yet you don't explain what that difference is. Well... What is the difference?
@parsleysprigs - " I have a kid, I'm pro abortion. Why because I can't take care of my kid can't afford it" -
Then give your child to a loving family that can support them. There would be less of a burden on you, right?
- "and there's too many people in this world anyway." -
Bullshit. No? Then kill yourself. By killing yourself you'd be killing two birds with one stone, if you'll pardon the pun. No more chances for pregnancies and no more you, consuming other people's resources.
@TenderTrap86 said "Then give your child to a loving family that can support them. There would be less of a burden on you, right?"
Are you adopting then?
Also over population is an issue and your comments about how another youtuber user should kill themselves coming from a self expressed "pro lifer" is higher hypocritcal.
@FuulieQ because they don't want CHILDREN they want BABIES. I don't see why this is so either, if someone is soooo desperate to have a child, why not adopt a CHILD instead of waiting for some girl to be guilt tripped out of abortion for you to have a baby?? HMMMM...
@MissKatelynnne Most children who are abused were unwanted in the first place...and usually someone in the family talked the mother out of aborting the child, for what? So this child could suffer. Hmmm a few minutes of pain (as some believe) or a lifetime of pain??
This is an excellent point. Violence is shown on television and in movies all the time, and real life violence is shown on the Internet and on the news, so why do those who identify as pro-choice object to the reality of the result of an abortion? It IS a legal procedure after all, why not let the public see exactly what it does so they can make an informed decision?
Pro choicer: when you get tired of your husbands or wifes and dont feel like the emotions stress of a husband or wife (COUGH: meaning your "fetus") and dont feel like dealing with a divorice, whats next aborting your husband or wife?? Wait: shouldnt be your choice cause it is your life right? (Sarcasim)
You know what pro choice people.... not everything thing in life is handed out as a choice, we dont get to choose if we go to school or not, if we dont well the police will be knocking at our door, were late for work..so we speed...we get a ticket but wait it should be our choice I mean because it is "our car" right? I choose that I dont feel like going to work, so I miss well it is my body so should I be able to choose? So what makes it ok to get rid of our kids cause were not ready??
Why is it that the answer to this debate has to be either pro-life or pro-choice? Why can't both sides come together to ask the question "how do we create a world in which there aren't unwanted children who have the potential to be born into loveless circumstances"?
@227Morgan - there are people standing in line who want to have children (they are unable to have children themselves). Hence, no child should ever be unwanted when one considers adoption. And, even if a child is unwanted -- does that justify murdering the child? No, it does not.
Abortion sounds like it is supposed to be covered up so secretly that its almost like Area 51, People that do abortions tell you this stuff does not exist, that is what makes most people that are Pro-Choice believe what they really do, and onces they see what it really is, it is instilled in them to come up with words like "What if this girl was raped", "What if the condom broke". Answer me this? "What if this person lived?" WHAT IF???
If feminists don't want us to show images of injuried babies, that give us the right to demand them to stop using images of injuried women in those gender based violence videos.
The entire abortion INDUSTRY doesn't like these images because it EXPOSES abortion for what it is: The KILLING of an innocent child. The pro-choicers hate them as well because the truth is out. They can't hide it anymore or deny what abortion does to a BABY. Their LIES don't work anymore.
i actually don't object to seeing these images at all and i'm pro-choice. however, the images should be presented in a scientifically correct, unbiased manner, by reputable sources to encourage responsible choices
I do, however, disagree with certain pro-lifers choices to use these pictures on signs, even when protesting clinics. many women entering family planning clinics are doing so for other reasons.
i've always wondered why pro-choice people are turned off by aborted baby pics. it just confused me, cuz these pictures are real. don't they know it? some ppl just think it's a blob of tissue and we're just evil pro-lifers trying to scare people
@rosaryfilms erm I'm pro choice. And I think there should be a limit of when you can get one. and yes these images are gross, we're humans too ya know.
Really those images are gross? Turns your stomach right? Well just imagine the poor baby being RIPPED apart. Oh, and the mother gets "medicine" so she will be pain FREE while the baby is geting its life cut off cause of the mother's mistake, and the baby is suffering and feeling all that pain because of the MOTHER! Give the baby and choice and shut your damn legs people!!
@jordanlovehere9809 Love will reach more people than anger. I know it's hard to watch, but we need to support women so they won't feel the need to turn to this. Good luck!
The cell within the woman will not feel pain. The foetus does not have the capacity to feel pain or have a conscious.
You also wrongly assume that sex is solely about reproduction when in the developed countries sex is frequently used to relive stress, to gain physical pleasure and to express love physically to a beloved partner. The choice to have sex is not the same as the decision to bring up a child. To say they are you are not examining the facts at all.
@ColdLance no I am not saying sex is only for reproduction but evidently it doesnt relieve "stress" because when a mother gets pregnant she acts like its a surprise or something and then "I cant believe im pregnant" and then the mother gets so called stressed from being pregant when it was her choice to have sex. There is birth control now so use it.
@rosaryfilms Babys who are partial birthed are either almost or at the age of surviving without the parent. Any woman who prochoices would say were raped would know far sooner then the partial birth stage. This should never be a choice!
Obviously they dont wanna see these disturbing images. Thats the point though isnt it?
Were allowing these disturbing images to come into place when we can stop it.
When we see terrible things, they are reminders of a world that we dont want to be a part of, things that we go against. Why do you think that the pro-life movement continues to grow. Because abortion should never be done to a woman or her baby. Its disturbing.
I haven't actually heard any 'pro-choicer' say they disagreed with pictures. One huge problem with pictures though, in my opinion, is they are some what of a red herring in the sense they take the focus off the actual issue at hand and that is how much control of the body should a woman be forced to relinquish to the state.
It takes the truth to change hearts.... Bless you for your courage... You have a steep road to climb in this ever becoming Pagan country we live in.
Obama is knocking us farther down the slippery slope, more of us need to don our armour and join in the fight to take this back as a CHRISTIAN country as our founding fathers knew it should be.
@elorasmom wrote "more of us need to don our armour and join in the fight to take this back as a CHRISTIAN country as our founding fathers knew it should be."
The founding fathers weren't religous for the most part and were all secular publicly. You have been mislead. I would read the wiki articles about them and their religous belief or lack of in same cases.
I grew up on a beef and poultry farm. Boy chicks gassed? Where did you get that info? PETA? You better check some other sources. We had 36K chickens. Gassing boys would have been a loss of money. I don't eat veal either. Only some cattle are used for that. Dad's cattle roamed the pasture. As for the war, do you really think you can reason with the Taliban? Do you think they would have stopped after 9/11 if we hadn't gone over there. I don't want anyone dying. Taliban wants us dead.
I am not sure I follow your question? But the fetus is attached to the uterus and therefore it is DEFINITELY part of her body if that is what you are asking. A better question would be, is it the states body the fetus is occupying?
Hmm, would that Ethernet cord be there without my computer? Regardless, the fetus causes multiple transformations inside of a womans body and I submit to you it is still her choice.
No, the ethernet cord would still exist without the computer. Just as I wouldn't exist without my mom. SO then my mom has the right to kill me because I came fom her then?
LOL, she wouldn't not have the right to terminate you now, but it would have been well within her rights to terminate you while you were occupying her body just as my mother would have had the right to do me.
Hmm... The same Gallup Poll that was misleading during the presidential elections? The one with the conservative slant? I would really put their voter sample into question. Do you have any less biased polls?
Very good point, I did not realize there was more than one. Your diligence is both admirable and commendable. My interpritation of the gallop poll on this site leads me to believe regardless of the 'pollers' position on the subject, they are willing to leave the decision in the hands of the woman.
I know a woman that was talked into an abortion by her husband threatening to kill her if she didn't. I don't know about percentile or exact numbers, I just know of this one person who is living with the depression caused by the loss of her son. 1 is too many to me.
Personally I don't want to see evidence of anyone's crimes. I object to shock value of this sort the same as I would object to having photos in my face of war victims, people killed in car accidents, or any other atrocities. I suppose that puts me in a minority, both amongst pro-choice and pro-life camps.
Most of the pro life arguement is based on science. If you were really into science, you would know life DOES begin at conception. The moment of fertalization determins the childs entire DNA structure, eye color, hair, height. And you would know it is a living creature evolving into what it will be. You would also know that to destroy is to murder when it comes to living creatures.
What's the difference? Just because it doesn't look human at that stage, does that make it any less alive, or human? The heartbeats at 18 days, for that to happen there has to be a brain to tell it to. To stop a heartbeat it to murder right?
a heart beat does not require a brain. four chambers develop between weeks 6 and 8... that's days 42-56.... and if you're only counting 18 from conception, that's pregnant 32 days, not 42-56.... check your facts
The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "BEFORE I FORMED YOU IN THE WOMB I I KNEW YOU, BEFORE YOU WERE BORN I SET YOU APART; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5).
Obviously somebody has no idea what the religion they are claiming is about. God does not hate anyone. At the risk of sounding cliched, we are all God's children, and he loves every single one of us.
I can't believe you're even suggesting that no one can pray for forgiveness. If someone regrets what they have done and repent, of course God WILL forgive them.
It looks like you're the one who needs to be praying for forgiveness.
After abortionists, feel so strongly about their arguement that whats being aborted is not a human being. But rather, just an excess of material, not to have any value attributed to it. Then they turn around and become hostile, if the images of abortion are made readily available
When there exists such a large segment of society, whom obviously lie to themselves, denying reality. Then call others extremists as well. How is progress supposed to be made by society, with so many irrational ones?
I thought that second and third trimester abortions were illegal. Or does that depend on the state? Here is Mass a woman has up to 8 weeks to have an abortion?
I've noticed that no one has responded to you. I don't know the laws in each state. Just through reading pro-life arguments, I'm aware that some states allow abortions under certain circumstances past the point of viability. I don't understand these laws and haven't studied them. Most states have a strict time period that ends well before the point of viability. Abortions after that time are usually performed only to save the life of the mother or if the baby will have a terminal birth defect.
It does depend on the state. In md, you can get a medical abortion up to 9 weeks. Thats where they give you an injection and/or pills. Methotrexate stops any "baby" from forming. And misoprostol dilates. There are also different forms of surgical abortions. From about 16 to 26 weeks, you get a d&e. There are also places that do partial birth. Though I don't condone it, I understand why some women do that. It's hard knowing your "child" could never survive outside of you.
and like i said before people that dont want a baby. to all the guys keep it in your pants and to all the ladies keep your f****** legs crossed if you dont want to have kids. dont punish something that wasnt its fault for what you did.
"Someone is pissed off that they still live" - "it would be 100% that a child will live" - "keep it in your pants" - all make references that suggest you know the situation of the woman who desires an abortion. Abortion is not about being anti-adoption-it's about choosing to not be pregnant. Not all women had a choice when they became pregnant. Not all fetus' have 100% chance of survival. Whatever the reason, a woman should not be forced to continue an unwanted pregnancy.
We shouldn't assume that only promiscuous women have abortions: for example, there are women and girls who have been raped also. However, I agree it is never the baby's "fault" for being conceived.
kate33 it may cost to keep people on life support and yes it cost to raise a child but there are people willing to give anything to raise a child. people on life support only have slim chances to live where instead of abortion it would be 100% that a child will live. what im trying to say is give life a chance that hasnt had a chance yet.
Kate33fl, a baby is not owned or even made by "her" body, a mother is just the frame who has the honor to give birth to a human being. If people are taken off of life support it´s for medical reasons, not just because someone is is pissed of that they still live, like modern pro-choice girlies handle it.
Abortion is murder, if a woman thinks she has a "right" for abortion she should be given at least one year of prison to think it all over afterwards.
People are taken off of life support every day. This is not considered murder. It is simply a decision that is made because it is too costly to keep someone alive.
This comparison is flawed, in that, a fetus may not be "alive" in the first place (just because you say it, doesn't make it so). Regardless, it is the woman's choice whether or not the pregnancy will be too costly for her to continue it. Whether you like it or not, the decision is not up to the anti-choice movement.
It's because being anti-choice means that you only believe in one option....pregnancy. Women who do not want to endure pregnancy should be allowed to choose...not because that decision is based on any kind of belief system...but because it's her body that must be sacrificed...and she has a right to choose what her body endures. If you are religious, pray for these women...it's not easy to be in their shoes...every one of them has a different story or reason for making their final decision.
With my own experience,I almost had an abortion but didnt because my bf at the time said he would help us out and be there for us. It wasnt until after I had the baby he left us. This decision was one of the hardest in my life. A woman is constantly thinking about what to do in every sense. What about school, what about work? etc. What about my body(the physical changes are also difficult.)But afterwards,with the baby here now, I really dont regret it. He makes me happy. This is only my exp.
wow, glad your happy, but I have to say just because we are pro choice does not mean we think you should all have abortions, just that you have the right 2
'Why do Pro-Choicers object to images of aborted babies?'
Well, as most of you are already aware, I'm an avid pro-choicer. And I have absolutely no problem with pictures of aborted babies. Yes, they're horrible, and sure, a lot of them are damn disturbing, but they're the truth. Which is something that of course, I do not object too.
What I DO object too, however, is pictures of sweet, happy, six month old babies with pro life slogans slammed across their faces. Talk about idiocy.
people should think about it before having sex i mean come on people thats what condoms are for and if you dont want to have a baby then dont have sex or wear a condom its as simple as that. if anybody can prove otherwise id love to hear what you have to say.
Pro choicers are the same ppl that say killing the terrorist enemy is wrong.They'de rather kill a baby than wear a condom.Thier fools and i wouldnt want to be in thier shoes on judgement day.
ziggy it dosnt matter how so called nasty they look your still killing a living organism. thats why i said if you dont want a baby to all the men keep it in your pants and to all the women keep your legs crossed if you really think about it you really don't have an argument unless you prove me wrong i dont mean to sound mean but tell me how abortion is right.
all im saying is that there are people waiting to have kids. not every adopted family is like that you can't knock foster parents for one mistake that happend im not saying theres just been one mistake im sure there has been many but there are people out there who really want kids. so why abort babies when they can at least get a chance at life. im sure not all adoption parents are bad. what you said would be like saying that one bad apple spoiles the whole bunch when that is not the case.
life is life in my opinion there are thousands of people waiting on lists to have children. why destroy life when we can give life a chance. and if the parents didn't want the baby n the first place the guy should of kept it in his pants and the girl should of kept her legs crossed. why punish a child for what the parents did. i say give the baby a chance at life and let someone who is willing to take care of a child have the child. people should think before they act.
Then they should go to the many adoption agencies to get one whose parents have left them, etc. No one's punishing a child, it's a mass of cells. I love my boyfriend, we're getting married soon, and sex is a wonderful way to express it. Thankfully we haven't had any mishaps with our BC, but some have, and even though they were being careful, accidents happen. As does rape, and you shouldn't force a woman to have a child she's not ready for and doesn't want.
You really don't know what you're talking about.I'm pro choice, and I don't like the blatant images being shown on the streets because I don't think it's fair for kids at such young ages passing by to see such images that may as well be from a rated R film. Plus, many of them are altered to look more disgusting or stolen and positioned to make them look worse than they are. Really, they're not that bad and don't persuade me in the least. They look more nasty in the womb if anything :P
To answer the question in the title "pro-choicers" object to the imagery of late term and partial birth abortions because one they are rarities expecially partical birth, I know a DR. who never in his profession has ever heard of a partial birth abortion ever taking place.
curiousproclivity, I could show images of aborted babies from 1 weeks to 12 weeks that would gross everybody out -- and probably get me kicked off of youtube. But you already know that, don't you?
A fetus cannot survive outside of it's mother. It is therefor her prerogative to carry it to term. Her right, her privledge, her responsibility. So, I see abortion as rather like bankruptcy, not being able to deal with a situation you got yourself into. Knowingly having sex when you can't be a mom is like betting money you don't have. If you're deep in debt (or seriously unprepared), you may need that out. Are abortion and bankruptcy ideal? No. Are they a neccessary option? Yes, I belive so.
I wasn't trying to say that abortions are neccessary (although in some cases they are, to save the mother's life). I was saying that it is neccessary to have it as an option. As an emergency recourse.
BTW, are you a vegetarian? Because if you feel so strongly "MURDER IS MURDER", then you should not be eating meat. Beef cows are innocents too, yet we murder them by the hudreds every day. And I don't see picketers outside of slaughterhouses with pictures of mangled hamburgers... why is that?
They object because they know that their number 1 argument is that it's not a baby and if everyone were shown the truth and not lied to, a lot less people would be out there supporting it. It gets so much worse than what was shown here. It's sad.
Another reason they object is because it's an indecent, unfair and often exaggerated argument from emotion, which is impossible to argue against. Pro-lifers don't care about the rights of real people, and they certainly don't mind posting pictures of other people's aborted fetuses for all to see.
jbl5764801, a picture is 1000 words. A picture of a dead unborn baby is indisputable evidence of what abortion really is and shows the hypocrisy of "pro-choicers". Pro-lifers care about human life, from conception to grave.
How 'bout the rights of a woman not to be exploited while she's pregnant? 63% of abortions are coerced(i.e. a pregnant woman's boss tells her to abort, or she's fired.) And a woman's hormones go berserk when she's pregnan, which can make it difficult to make proper desicions.
Masumi5, lets be honest for a second. Every single person reading your comments knows that you do not care about woman's rights. You are pro-life, which is anti woman's rights by definition. You're worse than that, though. You're claiming that woman aren't fit to make decisions while pregnant, although I doubt there are any studies supporting that claim. Also, where did you get the 63% statistic from?
I've never had any problem with "abortion" pictures. Pictures don't change the definitions of words, the facts. And the fact is no matter how much you object, it's still not murder.
CCard87, then why not post your own video of aborted babies and then tell the world that you are pro-abortion/pro-choice? Everyone knows that you will not do that -- hence, the hypocrisy of your comment.
I actually would love if The Discovery Channel or some other network would do programming on abortion as they would labor and delivery, so people could decide from themeselves and not rely on biased propoganda from either side. But, since you have already posted pictures of abortion, I will just comment on your film and say "I am still Pro-Choice." Where's the hypocricy there?
CCard87, then why not post your own video of aborted babies and then tell the world that you are pro-abortion/pro-choice? Everyone knows that you will not do that -- hence, the hypocrisy of your comment. And, yes, it is murder and anyone who supports murder is guilty of a crime.
Murder is the illegal killing of a person with forethought and malice. Sorry, it is not murder and it's only a crime in your opinion. You keep changing you conditions. First, you say we are hypocrites because we don't want the images seen. I say I do, now you say because I don't have a video up, I am a hypocrite. Now, if I put them up, what will you say then? Will you object to the kind of abortion pictires I put up? There is no hypocrisy in my statement, hun.
"Murder is the illegal killing of a person with forethought and malice."
Which is exactly what abortion is. To say it isn't means you are either morally bankrupt and depraved or plain stupid. I'd say a little of both, given your idiotic post and your rationalizations.
Really, abortion is illegal? What legal person is it killing? Does maliciously? It's nice that you can only attack me, not the argument and then have the nerve to call me "plain stupid". Even though rosary may violently disagree with me and has deleted some of my comments, they have always been civil.
Abortion is uncivilized, and you support it. Those who do so knowing they are committing murder do not deserve civility. You can try and paint pretty pictures for yourself, but you know the truth.
It is uncivilized in your opinion. If you know someone is committing murder, call the police and report them. But, you and I know both know abortion is murder only in you opinion and not as a matter of fact. Despite the fact you wish to change the definition of words, there's no reason to call names. It only reflects poorly on you...but do as you will.
How, in your wildest imagination can you claim that its not murder? I just don't understand. To me its the worst kind of murder. Killing innocent people who have never had a chance to commit even the smallest crime. If its against the law to kill, where do you draw the line?
LOL - What would be wrong with a big picture in public , of a woman giving birth?
There she is, spread eagled, pubic hair waving in the wind, vaginal lips flapping,
and the newborn crowning in her vagina - who could object, when thats the most
BEAUTIFUL thing in the world, eh?
But people would. Its a question of taste. Some things just arent for the public square,
even if they arent wrong.
Hexl702 3 weeks ago
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If they posted a picture of a home invader shot by a
homeowner protecting his property -
that would probably be a bloody, shocking photo too.
But nobody would say the power of the image
should mean people lose their rights.
Hexl702 3 weeks ago
I have been to several pro-lite forums where there's been "Click here for graphic pictures"
and many pro-lighters said, 'No, I cant bring myself to look, I couldn't bear it."
Should we force THEM to look? Make it a law that they have to? Or is it possible to grasp the issue without resorting to lurid images and rubbing their face in the blood?
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YOU WANT TO WHY because we know it is not a happy thing but this is a free country and we have the choice to have an abortion or not to have one and i do not hate pro lifers in general i have alot of friends who are pro life (those friedns are also gun owners, meat eaters, and have family members in the military dosent make much sense does it?) what i hate are the people trying to take away my right of choice in a FREE COUNTRY so all you people standing on the street F*CK OFF!!!!!!!
TheSecretGuy12567 5 months ago
yOU WANT TO WHY because we know it is not a happy thing but this is a free country and we have the choice to have an abortion or not to have one and i do not hate pro lifers in general i have alot of friends who are pro life (those friedns are also gun owners, meat eaters, and have family members in the military dosent make much sense does it?) what i hate are the people trying to take away my right of choice in a FREE COUNTRY so all you people standing on the street F*CK OFF!!!!!!!
TheSecretGuy12567 5 months ago
TOU WANT TO WHY because we know it is not a happy thing but this is a free country and we have the choice to have an abortion or not to have one and i do not hate pro lifers in general i have alot of friends who are pro life (those friedns are also gun owners, meat eaters, and have family members in the military dosent make much sense does it?) what i hate are the people trying to take away my right of choice in a FREE COUNTRY so all you people standing on the street F*CK OFF!!!!!!!
TheSecretGuy12567 5 months ago
I've heard before "that isn't a real image!". What do pro-choicers mean when they say that? Do they honestly think we faked these images? That when a partial-birth abortion happens, it's not a mutilated little human being... it's a beautiful little mess? Pro-choicers are offended because these images are the product of what happens when humans have the choice to kill other humans.
Bobanamanamo 6 months ago
@Bobanamanamo
Would a graphic picture of an illegal back alley abortion change YOUR mind?
Probably not.
Hexl702 3 weeks ago
@Hexl702 To be honest, it would further justify my opinion. Legal or illegal, abortion is still wrong, I don't just want it illegal, I want it gone altogether. Such an image as you describe just shows the pain and what's wrong with abortions.
Bobanamanamo 3 weeks ago
pro choicers need to give babies that choice rather THEY live or die who said one person could control rather that little cell grows up has kids, gets married, goes to colledge, first day of pre-k, there first date, that one little cell could do all of that but instead its either flushed down a toliet or sucked up in a machine..but you get to walk out of that clinic and finsh your life.
jordanlovehere9809 7 months ago
@parsleysprigs - "this world is all about money" -
It's really all about money, or that's just the perception?
- "you have a kid.sure you don't." -
Isn't that a large assumption?
- "If I killed myself it wouldn't make a difference in the in resources proof of over population." -
This is always the arguement I hear from people touting "over population".
- "I don't like kids all they do is scream and shit." -
When you start screaming, somebody can kick you to the curb?
TenderTrap86 8 months ago
@DarkIncentive - "An abortion is not murder, because the loss of a person never took place. Life has been lost, but not "a life". There is a difference." -
So, "life" has been taken but not "a life"? What on earth does that mean?
You say "there is a difference", yet you don't explain what that difference is. Well... What is the difference?
TenderTrap86 8 months ago
@Akkhima It's very, very interesting you should use the word "slaughtered", instead of just "dead".
TenderTrap86 8 months ago
@parsleysprigs - " I have a kid, I'm pro abortion. Why because I can't take care of my kid can't afford it" -
Then give your child to a loving family that can support them. There would be less of a burden on you, right?
- "and there's too many people in this world anyway." -
Bullshit. No? Then kill yourself. By killing yourself you'd be killing two birds with one stone, if you'll pardon the pun. No more chances for pregnancies and no more you, consuming other people's resources.
TenderTrap86 8 months ago
@TenderTrap86 said "Then give your child to a loving family that can support them. There would be less of a burden on you, right?"
Are you adopting then?
Also over population is an issue and your comments about how another youtuber user should kill themselves coming from a self expressed "pro lifer" is higher hypocritcal.
ColdLance 7 months ago
@FuulieQ because they don't want CHILDREN they want BABIES. I don't see why this is so either, if someone is soooo desperate to have a child, why not adopt a CHILD instead of waiting for some girl to be guilt tripped out of abortion for you to have a baby?? HMMMM...
theonlytruenyx 8 months ago
@MissKatelynnne Most children who are abused were unwanted in the first place...and usually someone in the family talked the mother out of aborting the child, for what? So this child could suffer. Hmmm a few minutes of pain (as some believe) or a lifetime of pain??
theonlytruenyx 8 months ago
@theonlytruenyx says*most children who are abused were unwanted in the first place*...Who told you that ?
kirstiedale3 7 months ago
I don't care if you show this.
gypsyspacepilot 11 months ago
This is an excellent point. Violence is shown on television and in movies all the time, and real life violence is shown on the Internet and on the news, so why do those who identify as pro-choice object to the reality of the result of an abortion? It IS a legal procedure after all, why not let the public see exactly what it does so they can make an informed decision?
Vrijheidx 1 year ago 2
@Vrijheidx - thank you for your comment
rosaryfilms 7 months ago
Pro choicer: when you get tired of your husbands or wifes and dont feel like the emotions stress of a husband or wife (COUGH: meaning your "fetus") and dont feel like dealing with a divorice, whats next aborting your husband or wife?? Wait: shouldnt be your choice cause it is your life right? (Sarcasim)
jordanlovehere9809 1 year ago
You know what pro choice people.... not everything thing in life is handed out as a choice, we dont get to choose if we go to school or not, if we dont well the police will be knocking at our door, were late for work..so we speed...we get a ticket but wait it should be our choice I mean because it is "our car" right? I choose that I dont feel like going to work, so I miss well it is my body so should I be able to choose? So what makes it ok to get rid of our kids cause were not ready??
jordanlovehere9809 1 year ago
abortion is horrible FUCK YOU OBAMA!
ajji1640 1 year ago
TRUTH- It seems that most of these responses are just selfish and nothing else. Some are just to stir the "pot up".
I truly believe that once we start placing value on peoples lives, whether viewed valuable or unimportant, we are in trouble.
Soon we will be in telling the sick, sorry you aren't worth saving or taking care of because you are only going to die anyways-
We all need to value life from conception to natural death or it may be YOUR LIFE THAT IS ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Why is it that the answer to this debate has to be either pro-life or pro-choice? Why can't both sides come together to ask the question "how do we create a world in which there aren't unwanted children who have the potential to be born into loveless circumstances"?
227Morgan 1 year ago 5
@227Morgan - there are people standing in line who want to have children (they are unable to have children themselves). Hence, no child should ever be unwanted when one considers adoption. And, even if a child is unwanted -- does that justify murdering the child? No, it does not.
rosaryfilms 1 year ago 5
Abortion sounds like it is supposed to be covered up so secretly that its almost like Area 51, People that do abortions tell you this stuff does not exist, that is what makes most people that are Pro-Choice believe what they really do, and onces they see what it really is, it is instilled in them to come up with words like "What if this girl was raped", "What if the condom broke". Answer me this? "What if this person lived?" WHAT IF???
JunctionFOOL 1 year ago
If feminists don't want us to show images of injuried babies, that give us the right to demand them to stop using images of injuried women in those gender based violence videos.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
The entire abortion INDUSTRY doesn't like these images because it EXPOSES abortion for what it is: The KILLING of an innocent child. The pro-choicers hate them as well because the truth is out. They can't hide it anymore or deny what abortion does to a BABY. Their LIES don't work anymore.
Pruner15 1 year ago 3
i actually don't object to seeing these images at all and i'm pro-choice. however, the images should be presented in a scientifically correct, unbiased manner, by reputable sources to encourage responsible choices
I do, however, disagree with certain pro-lifers choices to use these pictures on signs, even when protesting clinics. many women entering family planning clinics are doing so for other reasons.
makenoapologies 1 year ago
i've always wondered why pro-choice people are turned off by aborted baby pics. it just confused me, cuz these pictures are real. don't they know it? some ppl just think it's a blob of tissue and we're just evil pro-lifers trying to scare people
lesg07 1 year ago
Most pro=choicers believe partial birth abortions are hideous and murderous and don't support it.
skbee1980 2 years ago
skbee1980, where is the evidence to support your claim?
rosaryfilms 2 years ago
@rosaryfilms erm I'm pro choice. And I think there should be a limit of when you can get one. and yes these images are gross, we're humans too ya know.
LiesnSuch2 1 year ago
@LiesnSuch2
Really those images are gross? Turns your stomach right? Well just imagine the poor baby being RIPPED apart. Oh, and the mother gets "medicine" so she will be pain FREE while the baby is geting its life cut off cause of the mother's mistake, and the baby is suffering and feeling all that pain because of the MOTHER! Give the baby and choice and shut your damn legs people!!
jordanlovehere9809 1 year ago
@jordanlovehere9809 Love will reach more people than anger. I know it's hard to watch, but we need to support women so they won't feel the need to turn to this. Good luck!
AllLifeIsBeautiful 11 months ago
@jordanlovehere9809
The cell within the woman will not feel pain. The foetus does not have the capacity to feel pain or have a conscious.
You also wrongly assume that sex is solely about reproduction when in the developed countries sex is frequently used to relive stress, to gain physical pleasure and to express love physically to a beloved partner. The choice to have sex is not the same as the decision to bring up a child. To say they are you are not examining the facts at all.
ColdLance 7 months ago
@ColdLance no I am not saying sex is only for reproduction but evidently it doesnt relieve "stress" because when a mother gets pregnant she acts like its a surprise or something and then "I cant believe im pregnant" and then the mother gets so called stressed from being pregant when it was her choice to have sex. There is birth control now so use it.
jordanlovehere9809 7 months ago
@rosaryfilms Babys who are partial birthed are either almost or at the age of surviving without the parent. Any woman who prochoices would say were raped would know far sooner then the partial birth stage. This should never be a choice!
wanttoseemysnake 1 year ago
Obviously they dont wanna see these disturbing images. Thats the point though isnt it?
Were allowing these disturbing images to come into place when we can stop it.
When we see terrible things, they are reminders of a world that we dont want to be a part of, things that we go against. Why do you think that the pro-life movement continues to grow. Because abortion should never be done to a woman or her baby. Its disturbing.
desouzaj 2 years ago
TheZeltron "they don't want to see pictures of disturbing things for exactly the same reason that no one should look at pictures of murdered humans"
So you agree then that they are disturbing? At least you agree on that.
soluna2009 2 years ago
With your permission rosaryfilms, I would like to post a video response.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
Guardianoftheunborn, thank you very much! It has been accepted! Thanks!
rosaryfilms 2 years ago
No, thank YOU!
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
It's weird that pro choicers don't want us to see images of what they support.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago 2
I haven't actually heard any 'pro-choicer' say they disagreed with pictures. One huge problem with pictures though, in my opinion, is they are some what of a red herring in the sense they take the focus off the actual issue at hand and that is how much control of the body should a woman be forced to relinquish to the state.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
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rationalway 2 years ago
I am also a pro-life atheist!
xalisae 2 years ago
It takes the truth to change hearts.... Bless you for your courage... You have a steep road to climb in this ever becoming Pagan country we live in.
Obama is knocking us farther down the slippery slope, more of us need to don our armour and join in the fight to take this back as a CHRISTIAN country as our founding fathers knew it should be.
elorasmom 2 years ago
@elorasmom wrote "more of us need to don our armour and join in the fight to take this back as a CHRISTIAN country as our founding fathers knew it should be."
The founding fathers weren't religous for the most part and were all secular publicly. You have been mislead. I would read the wiki articles about them and their religous belief or lack of in same cases.
ColdLance 7 months ago
@ColdLance I could start a multi hour internet argument with you and me get stressed out and pissed off.
OR
I could go outside and enjoy summer.
I take the 2nd option.
FrontalTraction 7 months ago
I grew up on a beef and poultry farm. Boy chicks gassed? Where did you get that info? PETA? You better check some other sources. We had 36K chickens. Gassing boys would have been a loss of money. I don't eat veal either. Only some cattle are used for that. Dad's cattle roamed the pasture. As for the war, do you really think you can reason with the Taliban? Do you think they would have stopped after 9/11 if we hadn't gone over there. I don't want anyone dying. Taliban wants us dead.
zcp350 2 years ago
obama = baby killer
seventhdecember 3 years ago
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@seventhdecember wrote "obama = baby killer"
I'm pretty sure he is your president.
ColdLance 7 months ago
And what about Post-Abortion Syndrome? It doesnt exist?
pro-choice = liars = anti-woman
pro-abortion = baby killers
maryshybossy 3 years ago
Giving a woman complete control of her body is anti-women?
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
What part of the body is the developing baby?
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
I am not sure I follow your question? But the fetus is attached to the uterus and therefore it is DEFINITELY part of her body if that is what you are asking. A better question would be, is it the states body the fetus is occupying?
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
No, the fetus has its own DNA and is a seperate person. It can feel pain too.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
No what? It isn't attached to the uterus?
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
Ok, by your logic, I have an ethernet cord attatched to my computer, therefore it is part of my computer. By no, I meant, no, you're wrong.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
Hmm, would that Ethernet cord be there without my computer? Regardless, the fetus causes multiple transformations inside of a womans body and I submit to you it is still her choice.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
No, the ethernet cord would still exist without the computer. Just as I wouldn't exist without my mom. SO then my mom has the right to kill me because I came fom her then?
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
LOL, she wouldn't not have the right to terminate you now, but it would have been well within her rights to terminate you while you were occupying her body just as my mother would have had the right to do me.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
Isn't "terminate" a euphenism for kill?
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
It would only be a euphemism if terminate was less harsh than the word kill; but the English language dictates otherwise.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
I thought terminate was less harsh.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago 2
And silly business like this is why no one takes the anti-choice position seriously.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
"No one?" Huh? Well, the Gallup poll today shows more people in the U.S. are pro life than pro choice.
Lying won't get you anywhere.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
Hmm... The same Gallup Poll that was misleading during the presidential elections? The one with the conservative slant? I would really put their voter sample into question. Do you have any less biased polls?
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
Ad hominem argument, invalid.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
Credibility is no longer a valid argument?
pollingreport gives precisely contridictory results.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
(facepalm) Ugh, ok, so you think the Gallup Poll is innacurate, therefore it always lies.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
So not even a contradictory citation is valid?
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
Pollingreport actually has many polls on abortion from many different sources, including the gallup poll!
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
Very good point, I did not realize there was more than one. Your diligence is both admirable and commendable. My interpritation of the gallop poll on this site leads me to believe regardless of the 'pollers' position on the subject, they are willing to leave the decision in the hands of the woman.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
Gee, thanks.
FrontalTraction 2 years ago
Your welcome.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
Invalid**, I am sorry.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
Valid was right, I am sorry again.
bigdayowzyou 2 years ago
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PhilippeDeChampaigne 3 years ago
Because I used to listen to that junk way back but now thanks be to God I am a Catholic. We should pray for them.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
I am very happy that you are Catholic. Alleluia!
PhilippeDeChampaigne 2 years ago
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PhilippeDeChampaigne 3 years ago
Not to argue with you, but you are wrong. Google a 10 to 12 week aborted fetus under images and you will find the truth.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Then don't watch it and offer your opinion if you don't like it.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
I know a woman that was talked into an abortion by her husband threatening to kill her if she didn't. I don't know about percentile or exact numbers, I just know of this one person who is living with the depression caused by the loss of her son. 1 is too many to me.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
Personally I don't want to see evidence of anyone's crimes. I object to shock value of this sort the same as I would object to having photos in my face of war victims, people killed in car accidents, or any other atrocities. I suppose that puts me in a minority, both amongst pro-choice and pro-life camps.
treewhore 3 years ago
Most of the pro life arguement is based on science. If you were really into science, you would know life DOES begin at conception. The moment of fertalization determins the childs entire DNA structure, eye color, hair, height. And you would know it is a living creature evolving into what it will be. You would also know that to destroy is to murder when it comes to living creatures.
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
What's the difference? Just because it doesn't look human at that stage, does that make it any less alive, or human? The heartbeats at 18 days, for that to happen there has to be a brain to tell it to. To stop a heartbeat it to murder right?
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
a heart beat does not require a brain. four chambers develop between weeks 6 and 8... that's days 42-56.... and if you're only counting 18 from conception, that's pregnant 32 days, not 42-56.... check your facts
iceangel1005 3 years ago
It is not a "human-looking hand"...it is a human. It deserves every right that we share!
bentzmom3 3 years ago 10
A childs hand the size of the lead on a pencil...that is not late term. That is only a few weeks old. The pictures are not misleading at all.
bentzmom3 3 years ago
The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "BEFORE I FORMED YOU IN THE WOMB I I KNEW YOU, BEFORE YOU WERE BORN I SET YOU APART; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5).
ladyinkc 3 years ago
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in your sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer. Psalm 19:14
ladyinkc 3 years ago
also referr to PSALM 139, 12-16
chuckrg2576 3 years ago
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This is a discussion about morals and science. The bible is not going to help.
ColdLance 7 months ago
Okay, um, "TheMaidofLorean," THAT was ridiculous.
Obviously somebody has no idea what the religion they are claiming is about. God does not hate anyone. At the risk of sounding cliched, we are all God's children, and he loves every single one of us.
I can't believe you're even suggesting that no one can pray for forgiveness. If someone regrets what they have done and repent, of course God WILL forgive them.
It looks like you're the one who needs to be praying for forgiveness.
gracifer23 3 years ago
If you make art, you're an "artist". If active in pursuing rights, your an "activist"
If you provide therapy, your a "therapist".
Likewise, if your an "abortionist", your
"pro-choice". See how that works. When the reality is an ugly one, the spoiled ones, get to sugar coat it, and pretend it isn't so.
As is, with all P.C. terminology. It's the same reason they don't want the images shown.
After all, why shouldn't one be hostile if a
"non-human" "blob" of "fleshy inner growth" is seen!
Chuichupachichi 3 years ago
After abortionists, feel so strongly about their arguement that whats being aborted is not a human being. But rather, just an excess of material, not to have any value attributed to it. Then they turn around and become hostile, if the images of abortion are made readily available
When there exists such a large segment of society, whom obviously lie to themselves, denying reality. Then call others extremists as well. How is progress supposed to be made by society, with so many irrational ones?
Chuichupachichi 3 years ago
I thought that second and third trimester abortions were illegal. Or does that depend on the state? Here is Mass a woman has up to 8 weeks to have an abortion?
butterflie2484 3 years ago
I've noticed that no one has responded to you. I don't know the laws in each state. Just through reading pro-life arguments, I'm aware that some states allow abortions under certain circumstances past the point of viability. I don't understand these laws and haven't studied them. Most states have a strict time period that ends well before the point of viability. Abortions after that time are usually performed only to save the life of the mother or if the baby will have a terminal birth defect.
kate33fl 3 years ago
That you for you answer Kate.
butterflie2484 3 years ago
It does depend on the state. In md, you can get a medical abortion up to 9 weeks. Thats where they give you an injection and/or pills. Methotrexate stops any "baby" from forming. And misoprostol dilates. There are also different forms of surgical abortions. From about 16 to 26 weeks, you get a d&e. There are also places that do partial birth. Though I don't condone it, I understand why some women do that. It's hard knowing your "child" could never survive outside of you.
adriannasmamma 3 years ago
and like i said before people that dont want a baby. to all the guys keep it in your pants and to all the ladies keep your f****** legs crossed if you dont want to have kids. dont punish something that wasnt its fault for what you did.
armenianply 3 years ago
"Someone is pissed off that they still live" - "it would be 100% that a child will live" - "keep it in your pants" - all make references that suggest you know the situation of the woman who desires an abortion. Abortion is not about being anti-adoption-it's about choosing to not be pregnant. Not all women had a choice when they became pregnant. Not all fetus' have 100% chance of survival. Whatever the reason, a woman should not be forced to continue an unwanted pregnancy.
kate33fl 3 years ago
We shouldn't assume that only promiscuous women have abortions: for example, there are women and girls who have been raped also. However, I agree it is never the baby's "fault" for being conceived.
nahbios 3 years ago 2
kate33 it may cost to keep people on life support and yes it cost to raise a child but there are people willing to give anything to raise a child. people on life support only have slim chances to live where instead of abortion it would be 100% that a child will live. what im trying to say is give life a chance that hasnt had a chance yet.
armenianply 3 years ago
Kate33fl, a baby is not owned or even made by "her" body, a mother is just the frame who has the honor to give birth to a human being. If people are taken off of life support it´s for medical reasons, not just because someone is is pissed of that they still live, like modern pro-choice girlies handle it.
Abortion is murder, if a woman thinks she has a "right" for abortion she should be given at least one year of prison to think it all over afterwards.
RheinlandTom 3 years ago
too right rhein
Stephanie128 3 years ago
People are taken off of life support every day. This is not considered murder. It is simply a decision that is made because it is too costly to keep someone alive.
This comparison is flawed, in that, a fetus may not be "alive" in the first place (just because you say it, doesn't make it so). Regardless, it is the woman's choice whether or not the pregnancy will be too costly for her to continue it. Whether you like it or not, the decision is not up to the anti-choice movement.
kate33fl 3 years ago
It's because being anti-choice means that you only believe in one option....pregnancy. Women who do not want to endure pregnancy should be allowed to choose...not because that decision is based on any kind of belief system...but because it's her body that must be sacrificed...and she has a right to choose what her body endures. If you are religious, pray for these women...it's not easy to be in their shoes...every one of them has a different story or reason for making their final decision.
kate33fl 3 years ago
kate33fl, murdering your own child is never the solution.
rosaryfilms 3 years ago
With my own experience,I almost had an abortion but didnt because my bf at the time said he would help us out and be there for us. It wasnt until after I had the baby he left us. This decision was one of the hardest in my life. A woman is constantly thinking about what to do in every sense. What about school, what about work? etc. What about my body(the physical changes are also difficult.)But afterwards,with the baby here now, I really dont regret it. He makes me happy. This is only my exp.
butterflie2484 3 years ago 2
butterflie2484, thank you for sharing your experiences with us and may God Bless you and your family! Regards...
rosaryfilms 3 years ago
Congradualtions on the arrival of your baby! You've come so far and survived your boyfriend leaving you. You're inspiring. :-)
Oh, by the way, may God Bless you and your baby and your loved ones. ^_^
nahbios 3 years ago
wow, glad your happy, but I have to say just because we are pro choice does not mean we think you should all have abortions, just that you have the right 2
Ps, congrats on the baby, best wishes!
bassinserchofgroupie 3 years ago 2
I don't get choicers saying being pro life is being antin womens choice. I just don't.
All my friends are Pro Life and Half my friends are women.
So are you telling me that pro life women are against their own rights? that's insane.
ThomasJS1 3 years ago
'Why do Pro-Choicers object to images of aborted babies?'
Well, as most of you are already aware, I'm an avid pro-choicer. And I have absolutely no problem with pictures of aborted babies. Yes, they're horrible, and sure, a lot of them are damn disturbing, but they're the truth. Which is something that of course, I do not object too.
What I DO object too, however, is pictures of sweet, happy, six month old babies with pro life slogans slammed across their faces. Talk about idiocy.
MissxScarlett 3 years ago
Exactly. I think images of aborted fetuses create a shock effect that makes people realize that what's inside the womb is alive!
lrvives 3 years ago
people should think about it before having sex i mean come on people thats what condoms are for and if you dont want to have a baby then dont have sex or wear a condom its as simple as that. if anybody can prove otherwise id love to hear what you have to say.
armenianply 3 years ago
Pro choicers are the same ppl that say killing the terrorist enemy is wrong.They'de rather kill a baby than wear a condom.Thier fools and i wouldnt want to be in thier shoes on judgement day.
gunnyranger2 3 years ago
ziggy it dosnt matter how so called nasty they look your still killing a living organism. thats why i said if you dont want a baby to all the men keep it in your pants and to all the women keep your legs crossed if you really think about it you really don't have an argument unless you prove me wrong i dont mean to sound mean but tell me how abortion is right.
armenianply 3 years ago
So you are a vegetarian?
BeatlesRGod 3 years ago
all im saying is that there are people waiting to have kids. not every adopted family is like that you can't knock foster parents for one mistake that happend im not saying theres just been one mistake im sure there has been many but there are people out there who really want kids. so why abort babies when they can at least get a chance at life. im sure not all adoption parents are bad. what you said would be like saying that one bad apple spoiles the whole bunch when that is not the case.
armenianply 3 years ago
thats why i say if you dont want a baby to all the guys keep it in your pants and to all the girls keep your legs crossed.
armenianply 3 years ago
how can a girl keep her legs closed if she's RAPED?
mighteq 3 years ago 3
it really dosnt matter if there is a heart beat or not your still killing a living thing
armenianply 3 years ago
life is life in my opinion there are thousands of people waiting on lists to have children. why destroy life when we can give life a chance. and if the parents didn't want the baby n the first place the guy should of kept it in his pants and the girl should of kept her legs crossed. why punish a child for what the parents did. i say give the baby a chance at life and let someone who is willing to take care of a child have the child. people should think before they act.
armenianply 4 years ago
Then they should go to the many adoption agencies to get one whose parents have left them, etc. No one's punishing a child, it's a mass of cells. I love my boyfriend, we're getting married soon, and sex is a wonderful way to express it. Thankfully we haven't had any mishaps with our BC, but some have, and even though they were being careful, accidents happen. As does rape, and you shouldn't force a woman to have a child she's not ready for and doesn't want.
ZiggyKitty 3 years ago
I was in a foster home and I was beat, so don't say that people who WANT children make GOOD parents. Not all of them do.
Scintillatedx3 3 years ago 4
Pro-choicers like to show images of animal cruelty, but not of human cruelty.
waltmanxp 4 years ago
What an ignorant thing to say waltmanxp. I'm pro-choice but am against animal cruelty.
THEDARKDORK 4 years ago
When I said pro-choicers like showing images of animal cruelty, I was really talking about the PETA people who happend to be pro-choice.
waltmanxp 3 years ago
You really don't know what you're talking about.I'm pro choice, and I don't like the blatant images being shown on the streets because I don't think it's fair for kids at such young ages passing by to see such images that may as well be from a rated R film. Plus, many of them are altered to look more disgusting or stolen and positioned to make them look worse than they are. Really, they're not that bad and don't persuade me in the least. They look more nasty in the womb if anything :P
ZiggyKitty 3 years ago
To answer the question in the title "pro-choicers" object to the imagery of late term and partial birth abortions because one they are rarities expecially partical birth, I know a DR. who never in his profession has ever heard of a partial birth abortion ever taking place.
curiousproclivity 4 years ago
curiousproclivity, I could show images of aborted babies from 1 weeks to 12 weeks that would gross everybody out -- and probably get me kicked off of youtube. But you already know that, don't you?
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
It takes 3 weeks for the heart to form so I doubt there is much before that point.
curiousproclivity 4 years ago
curiousproclivity, if I showed dead unborn babies at 3 weeks on youtube -- I would be kicked off of youtube. But you already know that, don't you?
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
A fetus cannot survive outside of it's mother. It is therefor her prerogative to carry it to term. Her right, her privledge, her responsibility. So, I see abortion as rather like bankruptcy, not being able to deal with a situation you got yourself into. Knowingly having sex when you can't be a mom is like betting money you don't have. If you're deep in debt (or seriously unprepared), you may need that out. Are abortion and bankruptcy ideal? No. Are they a neccessary option? Yes, I belive so.
Jessiqua42 4 years ago 3
Jessiqua42, viability is down to 21 weeks. Intentional Murder of the innocent unborn is never necessary. MURDER IS MURDER.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
I wasn't trying to say that abortions are neccessary (although in some cases they are, to save the mother's life). I was saying that it is neccessary to have it as an option. As an emergency recourse.
BTW, are you a vegetarian? Because if you feel so strongly "MURDER IS MURDER", then you should not be eating meat. Beef cows are innocents too, yet we murder them by the hudreds every day. And I don't see picketers outside of slaughterhouses with pictures of mangled hamburgers... why is that?
Jessiqua42 4 years ago 2
Jessiqua42, equatating cows to unborn humans? How low can one go? This is not a trolling channel.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
I feel sad just looking at it...
megumi2906 4 years ago
They object because they know that their number 1 argument is that it's not a baby and if everyone were shown the truth and not lied to, a lot less people would be out there supporting it. It gets so much worse than what was shown here. It's sad.
violetm482 4 years ago
violetm482, you are absolutely right! Thank you for your comments!
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
An image of a dead fetus, simply a mass of developing cells. Does not prove that itself is a baby. -_-
Then85 4 years ago 4
Then85, you are ignorant of basic biological facts.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
Never let emotionally driven morals decide what is and isn't fact... -_-
Then85 4 years ago 4
So when exactly do you know that it becomes life? To me its the moment of conception but for you when is it life? Can you back up your belief?
angelawwjd 4 years ago
Another reason they object is because it's an indecent, unfair and often exaggerated argument from emotion, which is impossible to argue against. Pro-lifers don't care about the rights of real people, and they certainly don't mind posting pictures of other people's aborted fetuses for all to see.
jbl5764801 4 years ago
jbl5764801, a picture is 1000 words. A picture of a dead unborn baby is indisputable evidence of what abortion really is and shows the hypocrisy of "pro-choicers". Pro-lifers care about human life, from conception to grave.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
How 'bout the rights of a woman not to be exploited while she's pregnant? 63% of abortions are coerced(i.e. a pregnant woman's boss tells her to abort, or she's fired.) And a woman's hormones go berserk when she's pregnan, which can make it difficult to make proper desicions.
masumi5 4 years ago
Masumi5, lets be honest for a second. Every single person reading your comments knows that you do not care about woman's rights. You are pro-life, which is anti woman's rights by definition. You're worse than that, though. You're claiming that woman aren't fit to make decisions while pregnant, although I doubt there are any studies supporting that claim. Also, where did you get the 63% statistic from?
jbl5764801 4 years ago 4
Where did you get that logic from? Obviously you don't know anyone who's had an abortion.
Scintillatedx3 3 years ago
God... that is so sad and upsetting.. =(
They object because they can't argue against pictures like that... pictures that prove abortion is murder.
nerice6 4 years ago 2
I've never had any problem with "abortion" pictures. Pictures don't change the definitions of words, the facts. And the fact is no matter how much you object, it's still not murder.
CCard87 4 years ago
CCard87, then why not post your own video of aborted babies and then tell the world that you are pro-abortion/pro-choice? Everyone knows that you will not do that -- hence, the hypocrisy of your comment.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
I actually would love if The Discovery Channel or some other network would do programming on abortion as they would labor and delivery, so people could decide from themeselves and not rely on biased propoganda from either side. But, since you have already posted pictures of abortion, I will just comment on your film and say "I am still Pro-Choice." Where's the hypocricy there?
Oh, and it's STILL not murder.
CCard87 4 years ago
CCard87, then why not post your own video of aborted babies and then tell the world that you are pro-abortion/pro-choice? Everyone knows that you will not do that -- hence, the hypocrisy of your comment. And, yes, it is murder and anyone who supports murder is guilty of a crime.
rosaryfilms 4 years ago
Murder is the illegal killing of a person with forethought and malice. Sorry, it is not murder and it's only a crime in your opinion. You keep changing you conditions. First, you say we are hypocrites because we don't want the images seen. I say I do, now you say because I don't have a video up, I am a hypocrite. Now, if I put them up, what will you say then? Will you object to the kind of abortion pictires I put up? There is no hypocrisy in my statement, hun.
CCard87 4 years ago
"Murder is the illegal killing of a person with forethought and malice."
Which is exactly what abortion is. To say it isn't means you are either morally bankrupt and depraved or plain stupid. I'd say a little of both, given your idiotic post and your rationalizations.
dbreidenbach 4 years ago
Really, abortion is illegal? What legal person is it killing? Does maliciously? It's nice that you can only attack me, not the argument and then have the nerve to call me "plain stupid". Even though rosary may violently disagree with me and has deleted some of my comments, they have always been civil.
CCard87 4 years ago 3
Abortion is uncivilized, and you support it. Those who do so knowing they are committing murder do not deserve civility. You can try and paint pretty pictures for yourself, but you know the truth.
dbreidenbach 4 years ago
It is uncivilized in your opinion. If you know someone is committing murder, call the police and report them. But, you and I know both know abortion is murder only in you opinion and not as a matter of fact. Despite the fact you wish to change the definition of words, there's no reason to call names. It only reflects poorly on you...but do as you will.
CCard87 4 years ago 2
How, in your wildest imagination can you claim that its not murder? I just don't understand. To me its the worst kind of murder. Killing innocent people who have never had a chance to commit even the smallest crime. If its against the law to kill, where do you draw the line?
angelawwjd 4 years ago
Do you know why they claim abortion isn't murder? Because they've tried to rationalize the unborn aren't people. It's beyond sad, it's psychotic.
dbreidenbach 4 years ago
Because they hate to see abortion for what it really is. It takes them out of their little fantasy world about what abortion is.
masumi5 4 years ago 2
masumi5, How True! Thank you for your comments!
rosaryfilms 4 years ago