This video may be my favorite of all time. I am a *huge* supporter of the LGBT community. As a straight woman,it is so easy to take my freedoms forgranted while my gay friends ands loved ones aren't even afforded basic human and civil rights. Our Gays can fight our wars, be doctors in our hospitals, teachers in our schools and police in our cities yet they can't even legally commit their lives to the person they love. I am a protester against the cult and a support for my gays! Rock on Tory!
I love how videos like this attract all the scientology team to immediately try to debunk, criticise etc. Everyone knows that dozens of scientologists watch this and read the comments so to you guys 'LOL you are paying a fortune to be in a cult that tries to silence free speech'. Keep it up but trust me your efforts are wasted as everyone outside your cult knows you are a cult.
If there was ever a picket in near by, then I'd gladly go. But I'm in HS and I don't have my license yet. So I know my parents won't let me drive to Philadelphia or NYC. :(
First of all, we are ALL sinners. Secondly, just because something is beautiful doesn't mean that it is always good. Remember, Lucifer was the most beautiful of all the angels and look what happened to him :/
@ajw159 "We"? Speak for yourself, please. I don't buy that, and I have a pretty tight
line with higher powers, too, call them God, Buddha, you name it. Most higher powers are not looking down on us, imnsho. IF there is a God (which IS still open for debate)--certainly any God I can think of wouldn't be claiming what you just said.
Hope you stretch your views a bit---so love is more what you see and pass on.
Hate ("you are all sinners" IS hatred, imnsho) is so easy to fling around. Try compassion
@ToryMagoo44 What's with all the accusations? Christians do not hate sinners, we are ALL sinners (yes including you). Jesus said to LOVE the sinners, LOVE your neighbor, to put the needs of others above your own. HOW IS THIS HATE??? Example, I believe homosexuality is a sin, but do I hate homosexuals? OF COURSE NOT!! I'm so sick of being accused of bigotry and hatred because I stated my belief that differs from your own, when NOTHING in my comment on your video had ANYTHING to do with hate :(
30 yrs ago I had a friend who is Gay and at the time quite flamboyant and just OUT there, we called him "Mother" . I knew he was in the church of $cientology , however I knew nothing about the business at the time. Recently I did a bit of searching around the internet and I saw his $cientology web profile. Im assuming he's still in. His name is Michael Pollard. If anyone has info on him please help me find him.
That is one of the biggest eye-openers... something so basic as people not understanding 1.1 - duh. Covert means you can't see or detect the true intentions of the person. So, if you can sense that someone is not thrilled with you and says things to make you think they are against what you are doing or thinking, then they are not at 1.1 on the tone scale. They are antagonistic or something else. Duh again. Tone scale tech is not anything useful in reality. Most know how to get along bettah
Half the people out there think being gay is a choice. They honestly think we choose to be gay. This obviously does not apply to bisexual people, but gays and lesbians do not chose our sexuality, it is the way it is.
@aaricus Well, first off, I doubt "half the people out there".....certainly not here in LA.
Here half the people ARE gay! :) But either way, my view is who cares? People who are so judgmental shall meet their own Karma in time. No matter what your sexual preference is, or situation people may not like, it's my view that each person needs to first of all love themselves, second of all, pass on that love.
Make sure each day is better than the last---give it 110%, you cannot lose then.
@DragonRomer that couldn't be further from the truth. As Christian's, we are taught to hate the sin, but love the sinner. When I see someone caught up in sin (like homosexuals are) I feel compassion and understanding for that person, not hatred.
Off topic from this particular video, I wanted to ask Tory if she could balance the allegorical story of OT3 with Hubbard's ACTUAL CREATION STORY which can be found in The Factors, and in the first pages of "Theology and Practice of a Contemporary" religion. Also, of note is a religion in India that believes the universe is balanced on the backs of infinitely sized elephants standing on the ground, which underneath is an infinitely deep mud. Is that ridiculousness on par with OT3?
@DhunamiCE If you want to discuss religion, find someone else. I hate to type, and that discussion would take WAY longer than I'm willing to post about. Also, I don't care---people can *believe* whatever they want, and I respect that: AS LONG AS IT
DOESN'T HURT OTHERS. Thus, *I* speak out about the abuses of C of $. Sorry---but that's just me. Someone else may love to discuss it. Go to exscn (dot) net and talk with those folks. They'd probably love to. :) Tory/Magoo
It amazes me that there are really people out there who still hate homosexuals. It astounds me how something that has absolutely no affect on anyone else such as sexual orientation can some how offend people. Ridiculous. People are people at the end of the day, what they do in the bedroom is of no concern to anyone else.
c of $ seems to have derived some of their beliefs from the idea of original sin and Victorian hysteria over mental illness. Terribly outdated.
Gutless liberal atheist tax and spend point of view.Dont let anyone fool you people two things should be stamped on this sweet little site.......Gay is choice and there is a God
@WildernessTree No one except delusional religous assholes just like you believe gay is a choice. Here's another interesting question, tell me why you don't believe in Zeus, Amon-Ra, or the Apollo??? Why are you an Atheist to those gods???
You are so amazing. Speaking out the way you do, with the amount of "fair game" you've had to deal with!!! is truly remarkable. Thanks for supporting gays. Yes, C of S is very homophobic! Hubbard was a lunatic and created a monster that is still wrecking havoc on our world. Hopefully, sometime soon, the Church will either wake up (and start treating people better) or get destroyed and allow people to go on their way!
@WildernessTree Actually, I survived a cult that was similar to Scientology. So I feel a kinship with Tory. But even if I did not share that cult kinship. Tory Magoo is a dynamic lady who has some very meaningful things to say about life and its consequences. I'm glad to subscribe to such an intelligent and warm person!
The word Homophob is used to describe people who are not okay with homosexuality as though they have a psychological disorder. This seems like an unreasonable way to describe straight people who don't feel comfortable with homosexuality.
Being gay was partly my salvation from Scientology! Reading what Hubbard wrote about homosexuality made me realize I didn't want to be part of that anymore. My story can be found on my channel, where I put 3 videos called "Why Scientology Wasn't For Me".
Belief systems; curious things. You can believe God said this.You can believe The Creator meant that. You can believe that natural science only supports this. Or, you can believe that a living Prophet wrote it all down for you to follow, step by step.
Is your belief affected by the empirical process? Are you aware of what you have actually experienced? Can you relate that experience to others?
@dogstar7 Do your experiences contradict what you were expecting due to your beliefs? What conclusions can you arrive at regarding the use and implementation of "Beliefs"
i agree with you, nobody knows, cause nobody has lived thru it, lol, hows that for a sentence, ha ha, and i have a gay sister, and a gay nephew, and love them to bits, i get terrific advice from both by the way.and its not till i read the various comments that it is brought up in any way in my daily living and intereaction to either of em. love ya tory, like your direct approach
@InternetMasterMindX You're WAY off. Here's a little history lesson: Massive people from "in" C of $ left in 1982 (Google it to find out why). They began speaking out. Books were written about the fraud and cons Hubbard pulled. (Messiah or Madman). In the 90's OSA began fighting their critics, covertly, on the Net, and that program runs, to this day. I left in 2000, and met tons of X's and Critics who were exposing them. In 08 Anonymous arrived, and ALL continue to help in their own ways. :)
It's all about speaking out and letting the world know how an Organisation has worked over the last 50+ years. Legitimacy via money does not work so well these days . Look at the recent news from the UK this Friday Tory and let others know that politics thrives on public support and opinion.
Even though I am what you would call gay, I believe in the bible and it says it is a sin, just like adultery. It only goes to show that man was BORN into original sin. No matter how righteous we are we ALL fall short of God's perfection in one way or another. That is why Jesus came and died. There is nothing we can do to earn our salvation. By grace through faith alone we are saved, not by works. BTW Tommy Davis is "on the bus" even though at the back...
I beleive that god created us as we are, as individuals, because every single living being has an impact on the future of the world. as far as sexual preference, we can't just choose what gender we are attracted to, so we does it have to be sin. Your friend seems like a kind, honest person and that is why he is surrounded by angels. Everyone has a gaurdian angel. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, I'm just saying what I believe. Have a nice day.
@Greerthetis1 It isn't a sin---that's the point! It's just weirdo, homophobic people who randomly decide THIS is what God means. Who the Hell knows what God means? I know for me, when I was very young, I decided when the Catholic minister was screaming at us: "Jesus Christ died for YOUR sins"...I thought: "BS! No God *I* believe in would talk to me that way, constantly putting us down". Putting people down is about as far from any concept of God as one can get, imnsho. :)
The same people whom push that one biblical law, ignore the vast majority of the rest of the 612. They themselves ignore the non-specificity of that law in favor of being a hypocritical buffoon on a high horse.
Those folks seem to think their beliefs are "perfect, like the bible" , whereas in reality they are throwing stones from a glass house.
It's possible Tommy Davis and the COB are homosexuals. Their 'spirit" comes across this way. BTW, I'm not judging them and if it's true it wouldn't make a difference, but i wonder what LRH would think.
@DEREKinNYC All the homosexuals I've met are WAY smarter, funnier,
and certainly more spiritual than Tommy -the-ultimate-moron and his side kick
Davey the dog MISScavige. What would LRH think? Who cares? Due to all of his own homophobia---I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a closet gay, himself. :)
Well, LRH said many things that wouldn't be politically correct. I just assume he is a product of his generation. I remember reading about one of his sons being gay and committing suicide. This was the one he had been grooming to take over the organization after he died. I suspect he wasn't that anti gay. The COB, on the other hand, is rampantly hostile toward gays and that is what makes me suspicious.
@ToryMagoo44 I appreciate your open viewpoint, but homosexuals are people with a whole range of characteristics. Is it not possible for Tommy Davis to just be a homosexual that happens to be extremely passive aggressive and the COB being a homosexual who happens to be a sadistic narcissist?
@DEREKinNYC Sure, that's possible---but here's my view: They're both *nuts* (no matter what their sexual pref's are)---so why slam them in with all gays, as if they're horrible (which they are) so they must be gay? That's how it reads to me. They're abusive, Creepy, liars...those are the FACTS. Ok, and sadistic narcissists. Ya, one with a very lovely Mom, who cannot see the walls. She (and All "celebrities "in") help The Scio-Truman show roll on!
@ToryMagoo44 That was not my intention to imply that passive aggressiveness and narcissism are linked with homosexuality. I'm simply saying these two are very duplicitous and dishonest about what they present to the public.
BTW, I'm a huge fan of Anne Archer and my sympathies go out to her. Tommy Davis could have been an actor and contributing to his acting family dynasty and instead...
god is the One who wills Mercy and good for all creation, at all times, He pours upon all creation infinite bounties. Love you site, it is great! keep it up, please.
Tory you are a wonderful woman.I am soo glad you stay strong though all this.Oh my friend called Narconon-they wanted 20 grand for 60 days !!!! Wow, then he brought up hubberd and Xenu.They hung up on him hahahah
Perhaps the people to whom you refer didn't get the memo on 2nd Dynamic rules?
Also, Hubbard seemed a bit more 'accepting' (than in SoS) in one lecture from the SoM congress where he talks about cross dressing, and, in my interpretation, indirectly about homosexuality/bisexuality.
But then, who cares what another being accepts or doesn't accept as long as they don't try to enforce it on others à la Westboro Baptist Church?
I didn't say (and don't think) simply, 'who cares'...what I stated was "who cares what another being accepts or doesn't accept as long as they don't try to enforce it on others à la Westboro Baptist Church?"
Another useful memo (received via common sense) is the one which states Hubbard wasn't a perfect human being. Although some seem to try real hard to hold him up to that standard.
@quadbone Well, meantime you can do a *ton* of good by just passing the link around to your friends, and just on the net, so less and less people get suckered "in", and more and more people get educated about this insidious CULT. :)
Jeesh! Well, now you have a whole world full of real friends, just like me :) :)
Being gay has nothing to do with "Case" (Scientology's term for your mental problems their 'tech' can fix--with *lots* of money), just FYI in case that's still
swimming around. It's just one of hundreds of Hubbard's tricks to make one feel like you're not whole, and thus need their routines.
This video may be my favorite of all time. I am a *huge* supporter of the LGBT community. As a straight woman,it is so easy to take my freedoms forgranted while my gay friends ands loved ones aren't even afforded basic human and civil rights. Our Gays can fight our wars, be doctors in our hospitals, teachers in our schools and police in our cities yet they can't even legally commit their lives to the person they love. I am a protester against the cult and a support for my gays! Rock on Tory!
AnonymousPrettySP 8 months ago
awnser- god doesent exist, neither shoul gays
108deko 1 year ago
I love how videos like this attract all the scientology team to immediately try to debunk, criticise etc. Everyone knows that dozens of scientologists watch this and read the comments so to you guys 'LOL you are paying a fortune to be in a cult that tries to silence free speech'. Keep it up but trust me your efforts are wasted as everyone outside your cult knows you are a cult.
Harlingtonjnr3 1 year ago
If there was ever a picket in near by, then I'd gladly go. But I'm in HS and I don't have my license yet. So I know my parents won't let me drive to Philadelphia or NYC. :(
TheElectricDreamer93 1 year ago
First of all, we are ALL sinners. Secondly, just because something is beautiful doesn't mean that it is always good. Remember, Lucifer was the most beautiful of all the angels and look what happened to him :/
ajw159 1 year ago
@ajw159 "We"? Speak for yourself, please. I don't buy that, and I have a pretty tight
line with higher powers, too, call them God, Buddha, you name it. Most higher powers are not looking down on us, imnsho. IF there is a God (which IS still open for debate)--certainly any God I can think of wouldn't be claiming what you just said.
Hope you stretch your views a bit---so love is more what you see and pass on.
Hate ("you are all sinners" IS hatred, imnsho) is so easy to fling around. Try compassion
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago 2
@ToryMagoo44 What's with all the accusations? Christians do not hate sinners, we are ALL sinners (yes including you). Jesus said to LOVE the sinners, LOVE your neighbor, to put the needs of others above your own. HOW IS THIS HATE??? Example, I believe homosexuality is a sin, but do I hate homosexuals? OF COURSE NOT!! I'm so sick of being accused of bigotry and hatred because I stated my belief that differs from your own, when NOTHING in my comment on your video had ANYTHING to do with hate :(
ajw159 1 year ago
Thanks again Tory. A very important subject always. I love the "It Gets Better" Campaign for Gay youth.
>Tory ((((((((HUG))))))))
ETHANHALL 1 year ago
30 yrs ago I had a friend who is Gay and at the time quite flamboyant and just OUT there, we called him "Mother" . I knew he was in the church of $cientology , however I knew nothing about the business at the time. Recently I did a bit of searching around the internet and I saw his $cientology web profile. Im assuming he's still in. His name is Michael Pollard. If anyone has info on him please help me find him.
lev3269 1 year ago
O god, Scientologists are biggoted...
Fuck...ing...HELL!
SniperWalrus 1 year ago
That is one of the biggest eye-openers... something so basic as people not understanding 1.1 - duh. Covert means you can't see or detect the true intentions of the person. So, if you can sense that someone is not thrilled with you and says things to make you think they are against what you are doing or thinking, then they are not at 1.1 on the tone scale. They are antagonistic or something else. Duh again. Tone scale tech is not anything useful in reality. Most know how to get along bettah
hokeypokeynokie 1 year ago
Funny how evil regimes find it so useful to identify a scapegoat, isn't it?
Well done Tory. Stay safe, stay free, and keep on posting your videos. Make the world a better place :)
doobedoo22 1 year ago
Half the people out there think being gay is a choice. They honestly think we choose to be gay. This obviously does not apply to bisexual people, but gays and lesbians do not chose our sexuality, it is the way it is.
aaricus 1 year ago
@aaricus Well, first off, I doubt "half the people out there".....certainly not here in LA.
Here half the people ARE gay! :) But either way, my view is who cares? People who are so judgmental shall meet their own Karma in time. No matter what your sexual preference is, or situation people may not like, it's my view that each person needs to first of all love themselves, second of all, pass on that love.
Make sure each day is better than the last---give it 110%, you cannot lose then.
:) TLC
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
Quite simply, religion in general inspires hatred. Nothing good has ever come from belief in a deity, only hatred.
DragonRomer 1 year ago
@DragonRomer that couldn't be further from the truth. As Christian's, we are taught to hate the sin, but love the sinner. When I see someone caught up in sin (like homosexuals are) I feel compassion and understanding for that person, not hatred.
ajw159 1 year ago
@ajw159 You should be ashamed, trying to spread your cult of hatred.
DragonRomer 1 year ago
Off topic from this particular video, I wanted to ask Tory if she could balance the allegorical story of OT3 with Hubbard's ACTUAL CREATION STORY which can be found in The Factors, and in the first pages of "Theology and Practice of a Contemporary" religion. Also, of note is a religion in India that believes the universe is balanced on the backs of infinitely sized elephants standing on the ground, which underneath is an infinitely deep mud. Is that ridiculousness on par with OT3?
DhunamiCE 1 year ago
@DhunamiCE If you want to discuss religion, find someone else. I hate to type, and that discussion would take WAY longer than I'm willing to post about. Also, I don't care---people can *believe* whatever they want, and I respect that: AS LONG AS IT
DOESN'T HURT OTHERS. Thus, *I* speak out about the abuses of C of $. Sorry---but that's just me. Someone else may love to discuss it. Go to exscn (dot) net and talk with those folks. They'd probably love to. :) Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
The "red-horn" story is absolutely one of my favs Tory...they're almost iconic! =)
gombis666 1 year ago
@gombis666 LOL! Thanks so much.........I agree, I love it, too :) :) It truly shows:
You *never* know what just ~may~ help another wake up, and leave the Cult of $cientology. Try something new :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
Ironic...Tommy Davis is a devout homosexual.
brianismynamo55 1 year ago
It amazes me that there are really people out there who still hate homosexuals. It astounds me how something that has absolutely no affect on anyone else such as sexual orientation can some how offend people. Ridiculous. People are people at the end of the day, what they do in the bedroom is of no concern to anyone else.
c of $ seems to have derived some of their beliefs from the idea of original sin and Victorian hysteria over mental illness. Terribly outdated.
darkieschmuckie 1 year ago
Gutless liberal atheist tax and spend point of view.Dont let anyone fool you people two things should be stamped on this sweet little site.......Gay is choice and there is a God
WildernessTree 1 year ago
@WildernessTree No one except delusional religous assholes just like you believe gay is a choice. Here's another interesting question, tell me why you don't believe in Zeus, Amon-Ra, or the Apollo??? Why are you an Atheist to those gods???
AmericanGayAtheist 1 year ago
@AmericanGayAtheist unbeleivable ! God will settle this
WildernessTree 1 year ago
religion is retarded
Alucard9692010 1 year ago
Thanks for this video, Tory.
ChilapaOfTheAmazons 1 year ago
Wonderful video as usual Tory.
Keep up the good fight
LFraudHubbard 1 year ago
You are so amazing. Speaking out the way you do, with the amount of "fair game" you've had to deal with!!! is truly remarkable. Thanks for supporting gays. Yes, C of S is very homophobic! Hubbard was a lunatic and created a monster that is still wrecking havoc on our world. Hopefully, sometime soon, the Church will either wake up (and start treating people better) or get destroyed and allow people to go on their way!
AmericanGayAtheist 1 year ago
@AmericanGayAtheist typical fan of this darling site huh?
WildernessTree 1 year ago
@WildernessTree Actually, I survived a cult that was similar to Scientology. So I feel a kinship with Tory. But even if I did not share that cult kinship. Tory Magoo is a dynamic lady who has some very meaningful things to say about life and its consequences. I'm glad to subscribe to such an intelligent and warm person!
AmericanGayAtheist 1 year ago
i love these videos you are a amazing person
ducksoup2007 1 year ago
in one of your recent videos you mentioned about a job interview -
in the ten years out of Sci, how exactly have you supported yourself?
DhunamiCE 1 year ago
@DhunamiCE Working :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
Your hair's very pretty. :) Love it! <3 Good luck on the picket. We need to stop them. :P I'll go see if theres one in my city.
iDeviantArt 1 year ago
The word Homophob is used to describe people who are not okay with homosexuality as though they have a psychological disorder. This seems like an unreasonable way to describe straight people who don't feel comfortable with homosexuality.
iamitchey 1 year ago
Being gay was partly my salvation from Scientology! Reading what Hubbard wrote about homosexuality made me realize I didn't want to be part of that anymore. My story can be found on my channel, where I put 3 videos called "Why Scientology Wasn't For Me".
BurtBenz 1 year ago
Tory girl -- that is the BEST hairdo I have seen on you in a long time.
Reminds me of when I first met you. You look GORGEOUS (which you
are of coursa, both inside and out). love ya, BBJ
bigbearjohn 1 year ago
Belief systems; curious things. You can believe God said this.You can believe The Creator meant that. You can believe that natural science only supports this. Or, you can believe that a living Prophet wrote it all down for you to follow, step by step.
Is your belief affected by the empirical process? Are you aware of what you have actually experienced? Can you relate that experience to others?
dogstar7 1 year ago
@dogstar7 Do your experiences contradict what you were expecting due to your beliefs? What conclusions can you arrive at regarding the use and implementation of "Beliefs"
dogstar7 1 year ago
i agree with you, nobody knows, cause nobody has lived thru it, lol, hows that for a sentence, ha ha, and i have a gay sister, and a gay nephew, and love them to bits, i get terrific advice from both by the way.and its not till i read the various comments that it is brought up in any way in my daily living and intereaction to either of em. love ya tory, like your direct approach
thefairlysimple1 1 year ago
@thefairlysimple1 the comment below is for tory, obviously, sorry didnt click your reply button tory
thefairlysimple1 1 year ago
I thought Anonymous took down scientology? Guess not, is it just me or is Anonymous the only people that are trying to stop scientology?
InternetMasterMindX 1 year ago
@InternetMasterMindX You're WAY off. Here's a little history lesson: Massive people from "in" C of $ left in 1982 (Google it to find out why). They began speaking out. Books were written about the fraud and cons Hubbard pulled. (Messiah or Madman). In the 90's OSA began fighting their critics, covertly, on the Net, and that program runs, to this day. I left in 2000, and met tons of X's and Critics who were exposing them. In 08 Anonymous arrived, and ALL continue to help in their own ways. :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
@ToryMagoo44 Cool. Obviously as you can see I genuinely didn't know that. Currently all I hear about involving scientology is Anonymous.
InternetMasterMindX 1 year ago
@ToryMagoo44
It's all about speaking out and letting the world know how an Organisation has worked over the last 50+ years. Legitimacy via money does not work so well these days . Look at the recent news from the UK this Friday Tory and let others know that politics thrives on public support and opinion.
mrgreebly 1 year ago
Even though I am what you would call gay, I believe in the bible and it says it is a sin, just like adultery. It only goes to show that man was BORN into original sin. No matter how righteous we are we ALL fall short of God's perfection in one way or another. That is why Jesus came and died. There is nothing we can do to earn our salvation. By grace through faith alone we are saved, not by works. BTW Tommy Davis is "on the bus" even though at the back...
ValerieBarlow 1 year ago
@ValerieBarlow Well, although I disagree with you fully, I respect your right
to believe what you so choose. We'll see, once we actually die, what REALLY
happens...be it just as the Bible, sort of like the Bible, not like the Bible at all,
or nothing, period. There are many possibilities. You see one....good luck with that. :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
I beleive that god created us as we are, as individuals, because every single living being has an impact on the future of the world. as far as sexual preference, we can't just choose what gender we are attracted to, so we does it have to be sin. Your friend seems like a kind, honest person and that is why he is surrounded by angels. Everyone has a gaurdian angel. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, I'm just saying what I believe. Have a nice day.
Greerthetis1 1 year ago
@Greerthetis1 It isn't a sin---that's the point! It's just weirdo, homophobic people who randomly decide THIS is what God means. Who the Hell knows what God means? I know for me, when I was very young, I decided when the Catholic minister was screaming at us: "Jesus Christ died for YOUR sins"...I thought: "BS! No God *I* believe in would talk to me that way, constantly putting us down". Putting people down is about as far from any concept of God as one can get, imnsho. :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago 2
@ToryMagoo44
The same people whom push that one biblical law, ignore the vast majority of the rest of the 612. They themselves ignore the non-specificity of that law in favor of being a hypocritical buffoon on a high horse.
Those folks seem to think their beliefs are "perfect, like the bible" , whereas in reality they are throwing stones from a glass house.
Harizl 1 year ago
It's possible Tommy Davis and the COB are homosexuals. Their 'spirit" comes across this way. BTW, I'm not judging them and if it's true it wouldn't make a difference, but i wonder what LRH would think.
DEREKinNYC 1 year ago
@DEREKinNYC All the homosexuals I've met are WAY smarter, funnier,
and certainly more spiritual than Tommy -the-ultimate-moron and his side kick
Davey the dog MISScavige. What would LRH think? Who cares? Due to all of his own homophobia---I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a closet gay, himself. :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
@ToryMagoo44
Well, LRH said many things that wouldn't be politically correct. I just assume he is a product of his generation. I remember reading about one of his sons being gay and committing suicide. This was the one he had been grooming to take over the organization after he died. I suspect he wasn't that anti gay. The COB, on the other hand, is rampantly hostile toward gays and that is what makes me suspicious.
DEREKinNYC 1 year ago
@ToryMagoo44 I appreciate your open viewpoint, but homosexuals are people with a whole range of characteristics. Is it not possible for Tommy Davis to just be a homosexual that happens to be extremely passive aggressive and the COB being a homosexual who happens to be a sadistic narcissist?
DEREKinNYC 1 year ago
@DEREKinNYC Sure, that's possible---but here's my view: They're both *nuts* (no matter what their sexual pref's are)---so why slam them in with all gays, as if they're horrible (which they are) so they must be gay? That's how it reads to me. They're abusive, Creepy, liars...those are the FACTS. Ok, and sadistic narcissists. Ya, one with a very lovely Mom, who cannot see the walls. She (and All "celebrities "in") help The Scio-Truman show roll on!
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
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@ToryMagoo44 That was not my intention to imply that passive aggressiveness and narcissism are linked with homosexuality. I'm simply saying these two are very duplicitous and dishonest about what they present to the public.
BTW, I'm a huge fan of Anne Archer and my sympathies go out to her. Tommy Davis could have been an actor and contributing to his acting family dynasty and instead...
DEREKinNYC 1 year ago
god is the One who wills Mercy and good for all creation, at all times, He pours upon all creation infinite bounties. Love you site, it is great! keep it up, please.
juche07 1 year ago
Tory you are a wonderful woman.I am soo glad you stay strong though all this.Oh my friend called Narconon-they wanted 20 grand for 60 days !!!! Wow, then he brought up hubberd and Xenu.They hung up on him hahahah
TheCass37 1 year ago
Perhaps the people to whom you refer didn't get the memo on 2nd Dynamic rules?
Also, Hubbard seemed a bit more 'accepting' (than in SoS) in one lecture from the SoM congress where he talks about cross dressing, and, in my interpretation, indirectly about homosexuality/bisexuality.
But then, who cares what another being accepts or doesn't accept as long as they don't try to enforce it on others à la Westboro Baptist Church?
ElectroPaganAnon 1 year ago
@ElectroPaganAnon Which "memo" was that? If Hubbard was so accepting,
why did he label people as such? You may think "Who cares"--but having lived
through their labeling, it's horrific and C of S's abuses DO enforce very bad things
on others....thus this video---thus the pickets.
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
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@ToryMagoo44
The memo:
HCOB 11 AUGUST 1967.
I didn't say (and don't think) simply, 'who cares'...what I stated was "who cares what another being accepts or doesn't accept as long as they don't try to enforce it on others à la Westboro Baptist Church?"
Another useful memo (received via common sense) is the one which states Hubbard wasn't a perfect human being. Although some seem to try real hard to hold him up to that standard.
ElectroPaganAnon 1 year ago
I can't wait until I am old enough to go to protests.
quadbone 1 year ago
@quadbone Well, meantime you can do a *ton* of good by just passing the link around to your friends, and just on the net, so less and less people get suckered "in", and more and more people get educated about this insidious CULT. :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago
@ToryMagoo44 I do have Whyweprotest on my myspace and facebook, but I will start passing around the links to your and Mark's channel around.
quadbone 1 year ago
Have an excellent protest.
SlappyThePenguin 1 year ago
It's true, "the gay" was part of my case. And when I left they outed me to my family, my employer and what few friends I still had.
bagelboi66 1 year ago
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ToryMagoo44
3 seconds ago
Jeesh! Well, now you have a whole world full of real friends, just like me :) :)
Being gay has nothing to do with "Case" (Scientology's term for your mental problems their 'tech' can fix--with *lots* of money), just FYI in case that's still
swimming around. It's just one of hundreds of Hubbard's tricks to make one feel like you're not whole, and thus need their routines.
Thanks, Slappy--will do :) :)
ToryMagoo44 1 year ago