I've seen pretty much most of the footage available among boxing greats like Robinson, Armstrong, Louis, Ali, Pep, both Leonard's, Chavez, Langford and a few other rare birds and I can honestly say that in my honest opinion the best three were Robinson, Duran and Ali. Hardly anything exists on Greb. Monzon and Napoles and perhaps Jones Jr can also be thrown in the mix but my pick remain those three.
I had a boxing chat/forum back in the 90's. I shut it down about '99. I had a poll alot of pretty knowladgeable fans, some fighters, a promoter, and some ringside newsguys voted. Duran was voted the greatest p4p fighter of all time. I won't argue with anyon saying the real "Sugar" is #1 though
Somewhere between Duran and Roy Jones is the all-time p4p best. Jerry Quarry described Duran as the rarest bird in the fight game i.e. a guy who comes forward and throws heavy punches and STILL never gets hit, at least not with anything solid. He said there'd only ever been two or three like that. Ray Robinson look-alikes Duran's size were being carried out in wheel barrows for years and Pacquaio simply never had Duran's defensive skills or firepower.
@icebear1946 Well said. Just mentioning the quality of oppostion says it all. Legendary trainer Gil Clancy put it best after Duran won the middleweight title @ 38: "Roberto Duran is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived."
I definitely saw things in Duran that I've never seen before or since. He was the ultimate nightmare to SRR types who count on being more mobile and faster on their feet than sluggers: a highly intelligent slugger with lethal power in both hands who knew not only how to use the power itself but opponents' reactions to it as well, and whose footwork was invariably BETTER than theirs.
I noticed also that Duran was using that evil straight right the way a serve/volley tennis player uses a hard serve i.e. he was coming in behind it. Even if it missed, he ended up six inches away from the other guy and Duran could stand there six inches off and beat an adversary to death and still never get hit with anything solid.
@icebear1946 Absolutley. Truly a defensive genius. Contrary to popular belief among recent boxing "fans", Duran wasn't a wrecking ball. The man always had a plan. I remember back in the late 70's they did a small bio on him before one of his bouts. There was footage of him training and to this day, I have yet to see another fighter master the art of hitting the speed bag with their head. Duran could work it with a fast, fluid, side to side rhythm with his head that was just amazing to witness.
@rowanatkin Just because you "acknowledge" Duran as an ATG, doesn't mean you should sneak Pacquiao in under the same breath, much less rank him above Duran. You contradict yourself by downplaying Duran for "losing" to Laing but yet "credit" him. Everyone who was around back then knew that the loss to Laing was as significant as Ali's poor performance against Jimmy Young or the 1st Joe Louis/Jersey Joe Walcott fight. JMM is NO Duran. Leonard, Hearns. Whitaker & Trindidad would have ALL beat Manny
U said experts no better than to judge Duran by his laing fight? Why? Duran was just about in his prime and expected to win. People use JMM giving pac a couple of close fights as proof of Pac being beatable? But its not as if JMM is some kind of nobody, is it? Hes better than Laing thats for sure. Duran had problems with boxers and JMM is a great boxer. U say JMM is no Duran? So what? JMM would give Duran problems just like he gave Pac. If duran can lose to Laing he can lose to JMM.
Dominating a weight class is no big deal. Once youve beaten all the fighters in your weight class it takes a long time for the new generation to come through.
Pac of course could dominate a weight class and he did but just not so long because he moved up weight and had other things to do.
Duran wouldnt knock Pac out in 8 rounds. He never knocked out fighters much less ability than Pac in 8 rounds.
Pac beats Duran in any weight up to welterweight apart from lightweight.
@BruceLeeGoat Be objective, buddy. "Dominating a weight class is no big deal", seriously? Then guys like Hagler, Monzon, Robinson & Ali who cemented their legacy by dominating their weight classes is "no big deal"? You can't even attempt to compare the quality of opposition that the Legendary Duran faced with the fighters that Manny faced. Especially with the current trend of previously KO'D fighters that Arum is putting up vs Manny. Who's next for him? A 39 yr old. That's a legacy?
@sourfacemarshal after his first loss to leonard up until his fight with pipino cuevas roberto was unfocused, if you check his record after his loss to kirkland lang he won two world titles, plus duran was fighting two weight classes up from his best weight class(the one he dominated) lightweight. pac has never dominated a weight class or moved two weight classes up from his best weight, in my opinion roberto duran would have KO'ed pacquiao within 8 rounds
@sourfacemarshal True boxing experts know better than to judge Duran by the Laing fight.Manny had all he could handle with Juan Manuel Marquez. And Marquez is no Roberto Duran. Anybody with the slightest boxing knowledge can tell you that. Not to mention that Duran didn't need catchweight fights vs previously KO'D fighters in order to legitimately win multiple weight titles.
Too bad SRL cheated on the 2nd fihgt by forcing a qick re-match when Duran was not ready, and the figfht was in a 22x22 ring (big edge to SRL) that realy shadowed Duran's carreer, He felt betrayed, sour, boxing was not the same for a few years and like a great champ. re-invented him self, kept going north to win few more titles, Duran GREAT PERSON ASWELL, WE LOVE YOU!
Duran is up there, probably best Latin boxer, a notch above JCC, not by much tough, simply because Duran started off at a lower weight, and JCCs earlier career is too questionable.
You really like The Stones & The Hands of Stone don't ya? Lol
@tftmc Duran not by much over Chavez? Duran would of inflicted a brutal beating on Chavez! Chavez along with Gomez & Pryor are among the most overrated in recent history. Duran & Monzon are the 2 Latin American stand-outs! Arguello should even be rated above Chavez. The Greatest to have come out of Mexico is definitely Sanchez! unfortunately he died in his prime; he would of most definitely met & fought Chavez at 130 and handily defeated him.
@judaschongo Duran would definitely have destroyed Chavez at any point in his career. He was better in every way but size
I agree with you on Duran & Monzon, but I'd add Bonavena, he was the 1st pro to go the distance with Frazier.
I also agree Arguello & Sanchez are great, better in many/most ways than JC Chavez, whose record is more impressive than his skill. But I wouldn't down JC Chavez so much, he does rank up there, even w/o his 1st 50 fights. Maybe I'm crazy, all 4 are great to me
@judaschongo I'm not trying to speak for you or anything but I'd say you're downing Chavez cause he's probably the most famous of those fighters, except for Duran. But I do think skill wise, Arguello & Salvador Sanchez were better than Chavez in many ways.
Arguello to me was more entertaining than Chavez & (Salvador) Sanchez a more solid fighter, but JCC wasn't so bad. He got the judges to believe he Drew with Whitaker, a p4p great. But he also couldn't come close to beating De La Hoya, twice.
@tftmc in a way your absolutely correct; I could never understand this blind, exaggerated adoration referring to Chavez. He was a solid little fighter that faced a certain amount of decent competition; who had trouble with movers & boxers and failed to do anything beyond the Lightweight range. And for precisely some of the reasons you list.
hyena chase I had to wait 2 months for your reply jaja.Taylor sure did outpunch Chavez in their first encounter but Chavez was connecting with effective and more damaging blows.If Taylor had not been KO in 12th then Taylor would have won but his stupid trainer Lou Duva told him that he was losing the fight and that he needed to win the 12th rd! what a pendejo.Richard Steele helped Taylor by allowing him to punch JCC on the thighs and those are illegal low blows that Steele never penalized.
I'm Asian but a true fan is gonna support the best and not just ride someone's dick solely out of pride. Pacman still can't hold a candle to Duran's legacy. Manos de Piedra muthafucka!
I was born in 1980 and Hand of Stone is without a doubt the greatest fighter to step into a boxing ring during my lifetime.
I wouldn't give Ray Robinson a snowball's chance in hell against Duran p4p. The only guy I'd give that chance to would be Roy Jones. My money would still be on Duran but I'd be prepared to lose it.
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Boxing means to hit and not get hit.The greatest boxer of all time is Willie Pep.Next would be Sugar Ray Robinson.Duran is maybe the greatest lightweight ever.
Duran had brillant defense as well, slipping, feinting, countering. Pep had no power and was slaughter by Sandy Saddler. Ray Robinson is the prototype fighter, prime Duran is not too far behind.
Very few people are a bigger roy jones fan then me. Physically your completely correct he was unbelievable but over Armstrong, Benny Leonard or Duran as a technician that's tough for me. But you make good points
Seriously chavez and roy jones in your top 5 but not Duran that's insane. Sugar Ray robinson is the most talented, but duran dominated his competition much more then Sugar ray(Marty servo and Lamotta gave him hell in his prime).73-78 prime duran no one gave him hell.
Roy Jones in his prime was undefeatable, he had fysical skills i thought a human wasn't capable of. Chaver had a winning streak of about 60 fights. Sugar Ray is generaly considerd as the best ever pound for pound. He competed in the best era of boxing. La Motta gave him a hard fight but he was much heavier then him and still Ray won 5 out of 6 fights! LaMotta was extremely tough, Duran would have a field day with him to and would not win 5 out of 6. By the way Duran is my nr 6.
how can anyone have Julio Chavez in there top 10 ? Pernell Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor took Julio Chavez to school when Julio Chavez was in his prime and both taylor and pernell were robed
@theman1819taylor pissed the first fight,yes he got got put on his ass in the last round but got up,and the fight was stoped? with 2 seconds left?don king don king
id still love 2 see chavez vs duran...chavez had problems with fighters that run away..duran would be on the inside..prolly a short fight but it would be awsome..idk who would win..ull prolly say duran without a doubt but who knows these things really
@hyenachase Stop smoking crack! Chavez did not rob Taylor he KO him out in 12th round. Taylor used the ropes to hold himself upright and he could not say a word or take a step forward when Richard Steele instructed him because he was brain damaged.And Pernell had to hit Chavez in the balls to slow him down and beat him.
@josemezatorrez well Taylor v Chavez 1 come on Taylor out classed Chavez ?ok Taylor was put down and got up with 2 seconds to go,and fight was stopped? Don king got his winner,as for Pernell v Chavez,,sweat pea schooled him,that's why to me Chavez is not a top 15 fighter all time ,still a great though i have him about 16 in my top p4p :)
@hyenachase I never had Chavez in the top 15 all time.Pernell sure did outpunch and outpoint Chavez in their encounter and got robbed,but Pernel is a Son of a b@%$ for intentionally hitting Chavez on the balls with a bad intention punch that was planned,dirty ass punk.Chavez was great when his opponents stood Toe to toe and thats when he would outwork/will and break them down.And Chavez once said that he consired Duran the greatest Latin fighter,so do I.Salvador Sanchez was #1 in Mexico.
Arguably Robinson was better than Duran, but Armstrong? Louis? ALI??? I'll put it this way...if Duran had fought Armstrong, Duran would have beaten him. If Duran were a 6'1" heavyweight in Louis's time, Duran would have beaten him. If Duran were a 6'3" heavyweight ( as Ali was ), Duran would have beaten him. Duran would have beaten Sugar Ray Robinson if Duran were the same size as he.
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FICTION... Duran wouldn't beat Ray Robbinson, armstrong, and Ali (if Duran was heavier). NO... NO... NO..., Duran was ONE of the best ever, but not in the top 5.
My father saw his training in Montreal, he could not believe how Duran was intense, he sais to me : He done the whole ''Paul Sauvé Arena'' in sqwat jump rope (call that what you want). The guy was insane :P
As for "No Mas" and the subpar performances against Benitez, Laing, Hearns, and others that followed, they must be put into perspective. The truth is that Duran should have retired after Montreal; no fighter, no matter how great, could repeat the level of intensity that Duran reached that night. He faced in Leonard an opponent bigger, faster, and younger, and in many ways Leonard hit harder than Duran at welterweight. You can't repeat that kind of effort, and Duran didn't.
The Benitez and Laing fights were at a time when Duran definitely didn't have boxing on his mind. The Hearns bout came on purely for money. Duran just went 15 with Hagler and saw Leonard beat Hearns, so he thought no problem and barely trained. His win over Barkley made up for it.
In addition to that, Duran made history when he beat Leonard in 1980. Here's a man who reigned for nearly seven years at lightweight, then jumped 12 pounds to welterweight at age 29, almost ancient for a fighter at that weight limit, to take on and beat a fighter who was younger, faster, and bigger than Duran. That had never happened before in boxing history.
I agree with those who say that Robinson is No. 1, but I state that Duran is, pound-for-pound , the best since Robinson. Want to know how great Duran was? Above 150 pounds, Duran won two world titles and took Hagler to the limit. This is significant because Duran never belonged above 150.
Best p4p ever, best latin boxer of all time. N. 5th on the list of greatest of all time bye Ring Mag, N.6th in ESPN`s list of all time, chavez is N. 24th....
I only know of one good fighter who gave Duran problems, which is why he never gave him a title shot, he was one of Durans sparring partners, his name is Clever Lang. Does anyone know where Clever is?
Yeah.. it had a lot to do with the fact that he was notoriously difficult to hit because he was an excellent defender. Nobody could slip a punch better than he and Larry Holmes. That is why Duran still has his mind, not to mention an extremely thick skull.
And the fact that he would move his head in the direction the punch is going so it would just scrape him, but regardless, he did get hit! but thick skulls do help :)
Larry Holmes could slip a punch?....against who? Shavers, Snipes, Weaver all put him down. Witherspoon connected whenever he wanted even sorry-ass michael Spinks connected at will on his peanut head.
meh, he got hit, but he could take a punch (i.e. leonard 1 and barkley)...so dont misunderestimate him, he had a head that you could hit and hit and hit until your arms fell off, then he would hit you back!
way wrong! #1 Duran agreed. From there, Mosley & Pernell don't belong as for B.Leonard, greatly overrated. Carlos Ortiz deserves the 2nd spot and lets not forget A.Arguello at 135 even he was a force!
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Benitez at the age of 17 years old was a champion, took Roberto Duran to school! Wilferdo Benitez is the best!! I respect Duran for his perseverance and his heart, but his skills compare to Wilfredo Benitez are limeted.
benitez beat duran on points,at the same time duran was loseing fights to fighters like Kirkland Laing,who beat duran easy,that was a poor time in durans career.
but then duran got it back, and smashed DAVEY MOORE SO SO EASY, but that same davey moore beat benitez.
Roy Jones and Sam Langford....are not in same league as duran robinson or even mosley, leonard, hearn, hagler,or whitaker and De La Hoya...why do you say roy jones????
Don't sleep on Sam Langford, he was probably the singularly most ducked fighter of all time. None of the champions before Dempsey wanted a part of him, including Jack Johnson. And keep in mind he became one of the leading heavyweights in his day and had started his career as a lightweight.
i totally disagree, u cud defintly have roy jones up there with the best... and why include de la hoya?! roy jones is clearly better than him.. he didnt lose to no welter weight (mayweather) whilst dlh was middle... but i agree.. i think duran is probz the best fighter ever.
Why wouldn't he be? During his career, he beat Frazier x2, Foreman, Liston x2, Norton, Foster x2, and Patterson x2, fought a prime Holmes..and those are just the HOFers. He fought the best comp around and ducked no one, even in his declining years. There have been few boxers who have fought the sort of competition he's fought. Prime Ali during the 60s was every bit as dominant as prime Duran during the 70s.
Then you and I disagree. You severely underrate the likes of Frazier and Foreman, either of them would have run rampant in the heavyweight division in any era after the 70s. It was their misfortune that as great as they were, they lost to Ali, who was greater. I would put Ali's list of heavyweight opponents against anyone else's in history. No one comes close in that regards, and he won most of those fights.
duran was 70-1 in his prime,,only loss was to dejesus a good puerto rican fighter who he avenges loss with two knockouts of dejesus,,the loss in msg was by a decision he was not going to get,,it was close but after several horrible riots by puerto rican fans several years earlier,,the garden was not going to give duran a close decision,
I think you're right. I know Henry Armstrong came close, and he was also a featherweight champ too. I think in no particular order, the top 5 is Robinson, Ali, Armstrong, Pep, and either Duran or Louis.
benjaminBarr lol m8 duran was better than leonard, not by alot but duran prime was lightweight,if leonard went down to lightweight duran would of killed him,he beat leonard past his prime and at leonards weight
Didnt Robert Doran quit against Michael Jackson or some shit like that? They were payin him almost a million dollars & he quit. He was really scared I hear
Pound4pound the greatest fighter ever no doubt about it. Being smart and most importantly having NO FEAR is what separated him from the rest. Ali,Leonard, and Oscar de la hoya all had fear in the eyes when they steped in the ring. The only other fighter who come into the ring with no fear would be Mike Tyson but he was not as clever as Duran.
A true Roberto Duran fan loves him for his passion and doesn't care how he ranks with all the Light to Middleweights in history. All of his victories and flaws make him what we love to watch, a passionate fighter, period.
Ha ha I agree with you, what are they watching? Robinson lost about once in his first 120-130 odd bouts against hall-of-famers when he fought often twice a month! Where do they get these people??
Duran has fought a bunch of hall of famers too. And he wasn't a lightweight but a welter & middle champ. He was given a lot of gifts in the ring too, like that other fake Sugar Ray. Point is Duran started at 118lbs (I have 70 of his fights from 1970-2001) Ray R. didn't move up that much in weight.
Robinson fought from welter to light-heavy and was miles ahead on points against joey maxim when he hadto retire due to the 114 degree heat, the only time he failed to finish a fight in over 200.
Robinson is great, no doubt about it. And I am a fan though just a kid when he fought his last fight in early 60's I think. My dad kept me up on all the oldtimers. He liked Rocky and Sugar and Jack D. Thought Duran was great and SRL just a dancer & manipulater. SRL had only 40 fights-Duran about 120 which is far beyond todays.
robinson was a great,most would have him at No 1 p4p fighter all time, but a prime roberto duran could of gave robinson a fight, and beaten him,and i am sure if duran was from the usa,he would be No1...allso duran fought better fighters :P
i still dont see how people got it in there heads that ray robison was the best,he was tall skinny and fast,thats it wtf
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I've seen pretty much most of the footage available among boxing greats like Robinson, Armstrong, Louis, Ali, Pep, both Leonard's, Chavez, Langford and a few other rare birds and I can honestly say that in my honest opinion the best three were Robinson, Duran and Ali. Hardly anything exists on Greb. Monzon and Napoles and perhaps Jones Jr can also be thrown in the mix but my pick remain those three.
Fistiana7 4 months ago
duran is the best professional fighter since ray robinson
toby099 4 months ago
the pride of panama
Shadiest1 4 months ago
I had a boxing chat/forum back in the 90's. I shut it down about '99. I had a poll alot of pretty knowladgeable fans, some fighters, a promoter, and some ringside newsguys voted. Duran was voted the greatest p4p fighter of all time. I won't argue with anyon saying the real "Sugar" is #1 though
dennbb 6 months ago
With respect to Mike Tyson, Roberto Duran was the baddest man on the planet.
oldmanmyers 11 months ago 2
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Talk is cheap. JMM, Morales, Barrera, Margarito on their day would have beat Duran. Laing did, and they are all better than Laing.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
@rowanatkin Hahahaha! It's so funny that you're here posting negative, unreasonable, farfetched nonsense on a Pro Duran video. Good stuff, chappy.
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Dolphin2771 10 months ago
@rowanatkin please dont get involved in grown up conversations your not ready
chromeheart65 3 weeks ago
Somewhere between Duran and Roy Jones is the all-time p4p best. Jerry Quarry described Duran as the rarest bird in the fight game i.e. a guy who comes forward and throws heavy punches and STILL never gets hit, at least not with anything solid. He said there'd only ever been two or three like that. Ray Robinson look-alikes Duran's size were being carried out in wheel barrows for years and Pacquaio simply never had Duran's defensive skills or firepower.
icebear1946 1 year ago
@icebear1946 Well said. Just mentioning the quality of oppostion says it all. Legendary trainer Gil Clancy put it best after Duran won the middleweight title @ 38: "Roberto Duran is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived."
jperez9805 1 year ago
@jperez9805
I definitely saw things in Duran that I've never seen before or since. He was the ultimate nightmare to SRR types who count on being more mobile and faster on their feet than sluggers: a highly intelligent slugger with lethal power in both hands who knew not only how to use the power itself but opponents' reactions to it as well, and whose footwork was invariably BETTER than theirs.
icebear1946 1 year ago
@jperez9805
I noticed also that Duran was using that evil straight right the way a serve/volley tennis player uses a hard serve i.e. he was coming in behind it. Even if it missed, he ended up six inches away from the other guy and Duran could stand there six inches off and beat an adversary to death and still never get hit with anything solid.
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jperez9805 1 year ago
@icebear1946 Absolutley. Truly a defensive genius. Contrary to popular belief among recent boxing "fans", Duran wasn't a wrecking ball. The man always had a plan. I remember back in the late 70's they did a small bio on him before one of his bouts. There was footage of him training and to this day, I have yet to see another fighter master the art of hitting the speed bag with their head. Duran could work it with a fast, fluid, side to side rhythm with his head that was just amazing to witness.
jperez9805 1 year ago
U say JMM is no Duran. Well Laing is no Pac.
Duran is behind SRR people universally say. But Pac is above SRR possibly. So Duran is slightly lower than Pac now in the pecking order.
Thats no disgrace. Duran is still ATG.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
@rowanatkin Just because you "acknowledge" Duran as an ATG, doesn't mean you should sneak Pacquiao in under the same breath, much less rank him above Duran. You contradict yourself by downplaying Duran for "losing" to Laing but yet "credit" him. Everyone who was around back then knew that the loss to Laing was as significant as Ali's poor performance against Jimmy Young or the 1st Joe Louis/Jersey Joe Walcott fight. JMM is NO Duran. Leonard, Hearns. Whitaker & Trindidad would have ALL beat Manny
jperez9805 1 year ago
Pac > Duran
ewanmcgreg 1 year ago
@jperez9805
U said experts no better than to judge Duran by his laing fight? Why? Duran was just about in his prime and expected to win. People use JMM giving pac a couple of close fights as proof of Pac being beatable? But its not as if JMM is some kind of nobody, is it? Hes better than Laing thats for sure. Duran had problems with boxers and JMM is a great boxer. U say JMM is no Duran? So what? JMM would give Duran problems just like he gave Pac. If duran can lose to Laing he can lose to JMM.
rowanatkin 1 year ago
Dominating a weight class is no big deal. Once youve beaten all the fighters in your weight class it takes a long time for the new generation to come through.
Pac of course could dominate a weight class and he did but just not so long because he moved up weight and had other things to do.
Duran wouldnt knock Pac out in 8 rounds. He never knocked out fighters much less ability than Pac in 8 rounds.
Pac beats Duran in any weight up to welterweight apart from lightweight.
BruceLeeGoat 1 year ago
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jperez9805 1 year ago
@BruceLeeGoat Be objective, buddy. "Dominating a weight class is no big deal", seriously? Then guys like Hagler, Monzon, Robinson & Ali who cemented their legacy by dominating their weight classes is "no big deal"? You can't even attempt to compare the quality of opposition that the Legendary Duran faced with the fighters that Manny faced. Especially with the current trend of previously KO'D fighters that Arum is putting up vs Manny. Who's next for him? A 39 yr old. That's a legacy?
jperez9805 1 year ago
Pac is the greatest p4p fighter ever. Didnt Duran lose to no champ kirkland laing?
Wins make the man, so loses take away from the man. You have to have both.
One of the more memorable ones with his madman persona. But Pac is above Duran.
sourfacemarshal 1 year ago
@sourfacemarshal after his first loss to leonard up until his fight with pipino cuevas roberto was unfocused, if you check his record after his loss to kirkland lang he won two world titles, plus duran was fighting two weight classes up from his best weight class(the one he dominated) lightweight. pac has never dominated a weight class or moved two weight classes up from his best weight, in my opinion roberto duran would have KO'ed pacquiao within 8 rounds
haloprime44 1 year ago
@sourfacemarshal True boxing experts know better than to judge Duran by the Laing fight.Manny had all he could handle with Juan Manuel Marquez. And Marquez is no Roberto Duran. Anybody with the slightest boxing knowledge can tell you that. Not to mention that Duran didn't need catchweight fights vs previously KO'D fighters in order to legitimately win multiple weight titles.
jperez9805 1 year ago
pacman and mayweather can only dream of a legacy like durans
UnionCane2010 1 year ago
i've heard hes a drinker. i'd have a beer with him haha
CelticKid92 1 year ago
@CelticKid92 there were times that he fought after hangovers and still won.
jorgepnm5307 1 year ago
@jorgepnm5307 thats awesome
CelticKid92 1 year ago
@jorgepnm5307 shut the hell up weener eater !
thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
Duran would KO Chavez.
JoeyCage 1 year ago
@JoeyCage fuk u its more like mayweather ko duRAN /SHITvez !!
thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
Too bad SRL cheated on the 2nd fihgt by forcing a qick re-match when Duran was not ready, and the figfht was in a 22x22 ring (big edge to SRL) that realy shadowed Duran's carreer, He felt betrayed, sour, boxing was not the same for a few years and like a great champ. re-invented him self, kept going north to win few more titles, Duran GREAT PERSON ASWELL, WE LOVE YOU!
mittaku 1 year ago 2
Duran is up there, probably best Latin boxer, a notch above JCC, not by much tough, simply because Duran started off at a lower weight, and JCCs earlier career is too questionable.
You really like The Stones & The Hands of Stone don't ya? Lol
tftmc 1 year ago
@tftmc Duran not by much over Chavez? Duran would of inflicted a brutal beating on Chavez! Chavez along with Gomez & Pryor are among the most overrated in recent history. Duran & Monzon are the 2 Latin American stand-outs! Arguello should even be rated above Chavez. The Greatest to have come out of Mexico is definitely Sanchez! unfortunately he died in his prime; he would of most definitely met & fought Chavez at 130 and handily defeated him.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Duran would definitely have destroyed Chavez at any point in his career. He was better in every way but size
I agree with you on Duran & Monzon, but I'd add Bonavena, he was the 1st pro to go the distance with Frazier.
I also agree Arguello & Sanchez are great, better in many/most ways than JC Chavez, whose record is more impressive than his skill. But I wouldn't down JC Chavez so much, he does rank up there, even w/o his 1st 50 fights. Maybe I'm crazy, all 4 are great to me
tftmc 1 year ago
@tftmc suk my mofo dick biatch !
thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
@judaschongo I'm not trying to speak for you or anything but I'd say you're downing Chavez cause he's probably the most famous of those fighters, except for Duran. But I do think skill wise, Arguello & Salvador Sanchez were better than Chavez in many ways.
Arguello to me was more entertaining than Chavez & (Salvador) Sanchez a more solid fighter, but JCC wasn't so bad. He got the judges to believe he Drew with Whitaker, a p4p great. But he also couldn't come close to beating De La Hoya, twice.
tftmc 1 year ago
@tftmc in a way your absolutely correct; I could never understand this blind, exaggerated adoration referring to Chavez. He was a solid little fighter that faced a certain amount of decent competition; who had trouble with movers & boxers and failed to do anything beyond the Lightweight range. And for precisely some of the reasons you list.
judaschongo 1 year ago
hyena chase I had to wait 2 months for your reply jaja.Taylor sure did outpunch Chavez in their first encounter but Chavez was connecting with effective and more damaging blows.If Taylor had not been KO in 12th then Taylor would have won but his stupid trainer Lou Duva told him that he was losing the fight and that he needed to win the 12th rd! what a pendejo.Richard Steele helped Taylor by allowing him to punch JCC on the thighs and those are illegal low blows that Steele never penalized.
josemezatorrez 1 year ago 2
@josemezatorrez
you do make some good points :) sorry it took me 2 months to reply :lol
hyenachase 1 year ago
@josemezatorrez man fuk chavez and you cos ur a dang sucka for wat you sed !
thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
@thafeelinghurter Stick that Longhorn cows horn deeper into your asshole,like I give a fuck what you think.
josemezatorrez 1 year ago
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thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
@josemezatorrez ur name shud b josiemierdachonez cos i just shitted on u and you fell for the reply u pendeHOE !!!
thafeelinghurter 1 year ago
great video!
duveimperial 1 year ago
Gosh! my mans been fightin since the black and white days.
makpak 1 year ago 2
I'm Asian but a true fan is gonna support the best and not just ride someone's dick solely out of pride. Pacman still can't hold a candle to Duran's legacy. Manos de Piedra muthafucka!
I was born in 1980 and Hand of Stone is without a doubt the greatest fighter to step into a boxing ring during my lifetime.
MetaversalSouljah 1 year ago 8
After Sugar Ray Robinson, Duran is the greatest of all time.
eme1ec 2 years ago 20
@eme1ec
i would agree with that. def one of greatest in his prime.
mriv26 1 year ago
@eme1ec check out a boxer called charley burley, interesting reading srr ment to have ducked him
frisbyrb5 1 year ago
@eme1ec i agree only robinson can be better than roberto duran.
michaelkan1 9 months ago
@eme1ec i agree only robinson can be better than roberto duran. On second thoughs no I disagree-duran is the greatest fighter who ever lived.
michaelkan1 9 months ago
@eme1ec i agree only robinson can be better than roberto duran. On second thoughts no I disagree-duran is the greatest fighter who ever lived.
michaelkan1 9 months ago
@eme1ec
I wouldn't give Ray Robinson a snowball's chance in hell against Duran p4p. The only guy I'd give that chance to would be Roy Jones. My money would still be on Duran but I'd be prepared to lose it.
icebear1946 9 months ago 2
@eme1ec i second that!!!
marc5610 4 months ago
B.Leonard, Armstrong, Pep, Robinson, Duran. A good argument can be made for anyone of them. They are all GREAT !!!!
faltagh 2 years ago 3
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Boxing means to hit and not get hit.The greatest boxer of all time is Willie Pep.Next would be Sugar Ray Robinson.Duran is maybe the greatest lightweight ever.
saberino1 2 years ago
Duran had brillant defense as well, slipping, feinting, countering. Pep had no power and was slaughter by Sandy Saddler. Ray Robinson is the prototype fighter, prime Duran is not too far behind.
beasy1234 2 years ago 21
Boxing is the man who comes out the ring the winner!
connymat 1 year ago
is this war of the worlds music? good choice
frisbyrb5 2 years ago
Very few people are a bigger roy jones fan then me. Physically your completely correct he was unbelievable but over Armstrong, Benny Leonard or Duran as a technician that's tough for me. But you make good points
beasy1234 2 years ago
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bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
Seriously chavez and roy jones in your top 5 but not Duran that's insane. Sugar Ray robinson is the most talented, but duran dominated his competition much more then Sugar ray(Marty servo and Lamotta gave him hell in his prime).73-78 prime duran no one gave him hell.
beasy1234 2 years ago
Roy Jones in his prime was undefeatable, he had fysical skills i thought a human wasn't capable of. Chaver had a winning streak of about 60 fights. Sugar Ray is generaly considerd as the best ever pound for pound. He competed in the best era of boxing. La Motta gave him a hard fight but he was much heavier then him and still Ray won 5 out of 6 fights! LaMotta was extremely tough, Duran would have a field day with him to and would not win 5 out of 6. By the way Duran is my nr 6.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
how can anyone have Julio Chavez in there top 10 ? Pernell Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor took Julio Chavez to school when Julio Chavez was in his prime and both taylor and pernell were robed
hyenachase 2 years ago
@hyenachase How big of a fan I am of Chavez I agree that they were robbed.
Armanijesus 2 years ago
@hyenachase chavez knocked out taylor twice so obviously have a vendeta agaienst chavez
theman1819 2 years ago
@theman1819taylor pissed the first fight,yes he got got put on his ass in the last round but got up,and the fight was stoped? with 2 seconds left?don king don king
hyenachase 1 year ago
id still love 2 see chavez vs duran...chavez had problems with fighters that run away..duran would be on the inside..prolly a short fight but it would be awsome..idk who would win..ull prolly say duran without a doubt but who knows these things really
aschindler22 1 year ago
@hyenachase Stop smoking crack! Chavez did not rob Taylor he KO him out in 12th round. Taylor used the ropes to hold himself upright and he could not say a word or take a step forward when Richard Steele instructed him because he was brain damaged.And Pernell had to hit Chavez in the balls to slow him down and beat him.
josemezatorrez 1 year ago
@josemezatorrez well Taylor v Chavez 1 come on Taylor out classed Chavez ?ok Taylor was put down and got up with 2 seconds to go,and fight was stopped? Don king got his winner,as for Pernell v Chavez,,sweat pea schooled him,that's why to me Chavez is not a top 15 fighter all time ,still a great though i have him about 16 in my top p4p :)
hyenachase 1 year ago
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josemezatorrez 1 year ago
@hyenachase I never had Chavez in the top 15 all time.Pernell sure did outpunch and outpoint Chavez in their encounter and got robbed,but Pernel is a Son of a b@%$ for intentionally hitting Chavez on the balls with a bad intention punch that was planned,dirty ass punk.Chavez was great when his opponents stood Toe to toe and thats when he would outwork/will and break them down.And Chavez once said that he consired Duran the greatest Latin fighter,so do I.Salvador Sanchez was #1 in Mexico.
josemezatorrez 1 year ago
YES
blite13 2 years ago
love the music
TheChoice264 2 years ago
where the other roberto duran tribute gone? the one with mobb deep music.
frisbyrb5 2 years ago
yeah the one that game has done, it was the best.
Armanijesus 2 years ago
Arguably Robinson was better than Duran, but Armstrong? Louis? ALI??? I'll put it this way...if Duran had fought Armstrong, Duran would have beaten him. If Duran were a 6'1" heavyweight in Louis's time, Duran would have beaten him. If Duran were a 6'3" heavyweight ( as Ali was ), Duran would have beaten him. Duran would have beaten Sugar Ray Robinson if Duran were the same size as he.
sourceoflites 2 years ago
Absolute shite, he would never ever have beaten Robinson or Armstrong.
sirjock 2 years ago
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cammy1427 2 years ago
wrong
sirjock 2 years ago
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cammy1427 2 years ago
Ha ha ha
sirjock 2 years ago
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FICTION... Duran wouldn't beat Ray Robbinson, armstrong, and Ali (if Duran was heavier). NO... NO... NO..., Duran was ONE of the best ever, but not in the top 5.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
Duran was great but Armstrong, Robinson, Ali and possibly Louis were all better.
Sorry but it's true
sirjock 2 years ago
dooran! dooran!dooran!
cammy1427 2 years ago
Duran and Robinson are the 2 best of all time
MrReinhardt1 2 years ago
Not only the best Boxer but also one of the greatest persons of all time!
Viva Roberto!
xXRocketToUranusXx 2 years ago 4
grande cholo...en un orgullo ser panameño como tu....you are great xolo is an honor to be panamenian just like u
aburichca 2 years ago
The best of all time.
My father saw his training in Montreal, he could not believe how Duran was intense, he sais to me : He done the whole ''Paul Sauvé Arena'' in sqwat jump rope (call that what you want). The guy was insane :P
rognvaldr666 2 years ago 2
As for "No Mas" and the subpar performances against Benitez, Laing, Hearns, and others that followed, they must be put into perspective. The truth is that Duran should have retired after Montreal; no fighter, no matter how great, could repeat the level of intensity that Duran reached that night. He faced in Leonard an opponent bigger, faster, and younger, and in many ways Leonard hit harder than Duran at welterweight. You can't repeat that kind of effort, and Duran didn't.
vidnut67 2 years ago
The Benitez and Laing fights were at a time when Duran definitely didn't have boxing on his mind. The Hearns bout came on purely for money. Duran just went 15 with Hagler and saw Leonard beat Hearns, so he thought no problem and barely trained. His win over Barkley made up for it.
lizardman77 2 years ago 2
In addition to that, Duran made history when he beat Leonard in 1980. Here's a man who reigned for nearly seven years at lightweight, then jumped 12 pounds to welterweight at age 29, almost ancient for a fighter at that weight limit, to take on and beat a fighter who was younger, faster, and bigger than Duran. That had never happened before in boxing history.
vidnut67 2 years ago
I agree with those who say that Robinson is No. 1, but I state that Duran is, pound-for-pound , the best since Robinson. Want to know how great Duran was? Above 150 pounds, Duran won two world titles and took Hagler to the limit. This is significant because Duran never belonged above 150.
vidnut67 2 years ago
greatest latin boxer?julio ceasar chavez, (record94-0) before age caught up with him the late salvadore sanchez hands of stone( plaster of paris?)
mog5020 2 years ago
whats the song?
Jecxbox 2 years ago
1 of the hardest men 2 step foot into the ring, pure class, great vid
seanogk9 2 years ago
ESPN is full of crap and always puts out poor quality sporting events.
Piglatinsuperstar 2 years ago
Duran belongs in the top 5 P4P but Ray Robinson is the #1 boxer of all time.
ExplosiveThinMan 3 years ago 2
Best p4p ever, best latin boxer of all time. N. 5th on the list of greatest of all time bye Ring Mag, N.6th in ESPN`s list of all time, chavez is N. 24th....
mutantes98 3 years ago 3
I only know of one good fighter who gave Duran problems, which is why he never gave him a title shot, he was one of Durans sparring partners, his name is Clever Lang. Does anyone know where Clever is?
lhtbuilder 3 years ago
yep...manos de peidra numero uno cabrones!!!
alectrifyingalex 3 years ago
los tres mejores latinos duran, monzon y arguello.
elmuco2006 3 years ago
The best P4P fighter ever! Never dodged anyone! Class
zelezeka 3 years ago 7
lo maximo roberto manos de piedra duran (peru)
kangrit 3 years ago 2
Durans father is Mexiking mother is panamanian...Best p4p according to ring and others....
adrean85si 3 years ago
Duran in every sense was a gifted athlete, lets not forget he's a natural lightweight and the greatest at that!
judaschongo 3 years ago 2
yessssssssss!
brianiscoll 3 years ago
roberto duran, to this day, is one of those people that when you meet..you are like "wtf,..wheres the brain damage?"
hinduw 3 years ago
Yeah.. it had a lot to do with the fact that he was notoriously difficult to hit because he was an excellent defender. Nobody could slip a punch better than he and Larry Holmes. That is why Duran still has his mind, not to mention an extremely thick skull.
ihatelifejosemartine 3 years ago 4
And the fact that he would move his head in the direction the punch is going so it would just scrape him, but regardless, he did get hit! but thick skulls do help :)
hinduw 3 years ago
Larry Holmes could slip a punch?....against who? Shavers, Snipes, Weaver all put him down. Witherspoon connected whenever he wanted even sorry-ass michael Spinks connected at will on his peanut head.
alxadm 3 years ago
lol
hyenachase 3 years ago
Thats because of his commonly overlooked defense.
johnnybratz 3 years ago
meh, he got hit, but he could take a punch (i.e. leonard 1 and barkley)...so dont misunderestimate him, he had a head that you could hit and hit and hit until your arms fell off, then he would hit you back!
hinduw 3 years ago
Duran best lightweight ever!Chavez second best lightweight for my opinion!!!!
lutenco 4 years ago
completely agree with you and after jc chavez a fighter named benny leonard who was also trained by durans trainer ray arcel
rileyjj123456 3 years ago
lightweight
1st duran
2nd mosley
3rd benny leonard
4th pernell whitaker
hyenachase 3 years ago
lightweight
1st duran
2nd benny leonard
3rd pernell whitaker
4th shane mosley
SoJuDaMaN 3 years ago
how could you not put chavez on that list.
theman1819 3 years ago
I have Chavez in the 140lbs list, maybe even on #1 but I have to reconsider that...
SoJuDaMaN 3 years ago
way wrong! #1 Duran agreed. From there, Mosley & Pernell don't belong as for B.Leonard, greatly overrated. Carlos Ortiz deserves the 2nd spot and lets not forget A.Arguello at 135 even he was a force!
judaschongo 3 years ago
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Benitez at the age of 17 years old was a champion, took Roberto Duran to school! Wilferdo Benitez is the best!! I respect Duran for his perseverance and his heart, but his skills compare to Wilfredo Benitez are limeted.
wisefun 4 years ago
benitez beat duran on points,at the same time duran was loseing fights to fighters like Kirkland Laing,who beat duran easy,that was a poor time in durans career.
but then duran got it back, and smashed DAVEY MOORE SO SO EASY, but that same davey moore beat benitez.
Benitez was good, but duran was much better
hyenachase 4 years ago
Roberto Duran the best lightweight ever!! You dont know boxing if you say something else..
Khaled4life 3 years ago 3
that's duran 2 Benitez 1.
dbrid 3 years ago
benitez will never be as good as duran...benitez was good but duran was different act...
enzo102 3 years ago 7
Cool video.
What's the name of the song? I like it.
immagonnarockayoua 4 years ago
war of the worlds
hyenachase 4 years ago
manos de piedra 4 ever!
dansfedor 4 years ago
Only thing wrong with the title is the question mark; Duran WAS the p4p all-time best. Roy Jones and Sam Langford might be tied for second.
icebear1946 4 years ago
Roy Jones and Sam Langford....are not in same league as duran robinson or even mosley, leonard, hearn, hagler,or whitaker and De La Hoya...why do you say roy jones????
hyenachase 4 years ago
Don't sleep on Sam Langford, he was probably the singularly most ducked fighter of all time. None of the champions before Dempsey wanted a part of him, including Jack Johnson. And keep in mind he became one of the leading heavyweights in his day and had started his career as a lightweight.
SalvyMic 4 years ago
i totally disagree, u cud defintly have roy jones up there with the best... and why include de la hoya?! roy jones is clearly better than him.. he didnt lose to no welter weight (mayweather) whilst dlh was middle... but i agree.. i think duran is probz the best fighter ever.
ironalex 4 years ago 2
why do you say roy jones???? i hear you ask.
You quite clearly dont know much about boxing,he's definitley ahead of mosley and whitaker
lall308 4 years ago
nar noway shane and Pernell are better than jones.. well i think pernell is so underrated.
hyenachase 4 years ago
Why wouldn't he be? During his career, he beat Frazier x2, Foreman, Liston x2, Norton, Foster x2, and Patterson x2, fought a prime Holmes..and those are just the HOFers. He fought the best comp around and ducked no one, even in his declining years. There have been few boxers who have fought the sort of competition he's fought. Prime Ali during the 60s was every bit as dominant as prime Duran during the 70s.
SalvyMic 4 years ago
norton won both fights,he was robed, frazier was a umper lumper close fights, holmes did not want to hurt him, foreman was a bully fighter no heart,
ali was good at his weight,but for me not even the best heavyweight all time. :P
hyenachase 4 years ago
Then you and I disagree. You severely underrate the likes of Frazier and Foreman, either of them would have run rampant in the heavyweight division in any era after the 70s. It was their misfortune that as great as they were, they lost to Ali, who was greater. I would put Ali's list of heavyweight opponents against anyone else's in history. No one comes close in that regards, and he won most of those fights.
SalvyMic 4 years ago
ROY JONES IS THE BEST P4P EVER!!!
malas1g 4 years ago
lmao yea right,roy over rated jones would not be in the top 15 p4p
hyenachase 4 years ago
roy jones best p4p ever I DONT THINK SO , you really need to watch duran
hattonduran 4 years ago
Duran might be, but I think that title belongs to Sugar Ray Robinson
NAM299107 4 years ago
duran was 70-1 in his prime,,only loss was to dejesus a good puerto rican fighter who he avenges loss with two knockouts of dejesus,,the loss in msg was by a decision he was not going to get,,it was close but after several horrible riots by puerto rican fans several years earlier,,the garden was not going to give duran a close decision,
moochie 4 years ago
Complete MACHO TESTOSTERONE DOMINATION like NO other boxer! Fantastico!
longman2424 4 years ago
duran lightweight to middleweight champion has never been done i belive :)
hyenachase 4 years ago
I think you're right. I know Henry Armstrong came close, and he was also a featherweight champ too. I think in no particular order, the top 5 is Robinson, Ali, Armstrong, Pep, and either Duran or Louis.
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strike1000000 4 years ago
Prime Duran = best lighweight ever !
pipios 4 years ago
benjaminBarr lol m8 duran was better than leonard, not by alot but duran prime was lightweight,if leonard went down to lightweight duran would of killed him,he beat leonard past his prime and at leonards weight
hyenachase 4 years ago
Didnt Robert Doran quit against Michael Jackson or some shit like that? They were payin him almost a million dollars & he quit. He was really scared I hear
benjaminBarr 4 years ago
Matter of fact, they always say that Michael learned to do the moonwalk by watchin doran do it that night. Robert moonwalked right outta the ring
benjaminBarr 4 years ago
Pound4pound the greatest fighter ever no doubt about it. Being smart and most importantly having NO FEAR is what separated him from the rest. Ali,Leonard, and Oscar de la hoya all had fear in the eyes when they steped in the ring. The only other fighter who come into the ring with no fear would be Mike Tyson but he was not as clever as Duran.
rodd7 4 years ago
Fear can be a good thing though. Hagler also had no fear and Chavez.
guv37 4 years ago
remember duran was a lightweight how he moved up through the weights and beat great fighters was amazing.
viglen4 4 years ago
A true Roberto Duran fan loves him for his passion and doesn't care how he ranks with all the Light to Middleweights in history. All of his victories and flaws make him what we love to watch, a passionate fighter, period.
sumoclownbaby 4 years ago
there is not a middleweight who could of destroyed hagler,might of beaten hagler but never destroyed him...noway :)
hyenachase 4 years ago
I totally agree! I don't think there is a middleweight ever capable of stopping him.
guv37 4 years ago
well if a lightweight like roberto duran almost beat hagler ray robinson would have destroyed him.
viglen4 4 years ago
Delahoya would have beat Robinson?? You have no idea what your watching.
coxscorner 4 years ago
Ha ha I agree with you, what are they watching? Robinson lost about once in his first 120-130 odd bouts against hall-of-famers when he fought often twice a month! Where do they get these people??
guv37 4 years ago
Duran has fought a bunch of hall of famers too. And he wasn't a lightweight but a welter & middle champ. He was given a lot of gifts in the ring too, like that other fake Sugar Ray. Point is Duran started at 118lbs (I have 70 of his fights from 1970-2001) Ray R. didn't move up that much in weight.
kykiddo 4 years ago
Robinson fought from welter to light-heavy and was miles ahead on points against joey maxim when he hadto retire due to the 114 degree heat, the only time he failed to finish a fight in over 200.
guv37 4 years ago
Robinson is great, no doubt about it. And I am a fan though just a kid when he fought his last fight in early 60's I think. My dad kept me up on all the oldtimers. He liked Rocky and Sugar and Jack D. Thought Duran was great and SRL just a dancer & manipulater. SRL had only 40 fights-Duran about 120 which is far beyond todays.
kykiddo 4 years ago
I've no arguement about Duran a top 5 p4p great IMO. In just happen to thin Robinson was the best, which most boxing writers would agree with.
guv37 4 years ago
robinson was a great,most would have him at No 1 p4p fighter all time, but a prime roberto duran could of gave robinson a fight, and beaten him,and i am sure if duran was from the usa,he would be No1...allso duran fought better fighters :P
hyenachase 4 years ago