Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance - Part 6: Ocelot's Betrayal

[silverbossful]

ocelot is the best

[sodomyandlust91]

excellent scene that was just epic.

[newbeer182]

how did gurkukovich sneak behind the marines.

the marines meant to be the best soldiers in the US

[SuperTabz]

@newbeer182 - Yeah! Also if you follow the background while Snake is sneaking around, Gurlukovich is nowhere to be seen there. I'd say he VERY SILENTLY zip-roped down.

[visno]

@newbeer182 marines are not soldiers. they are marines ;)

don't ever call a marine a soldier, they will be very upset with you. soldiers are in the army. marines are in the marine corps.

[VoteSkipper]

@visno isnt like a general term, you call anyone with a gun who follows order a solider?

[visno]

@VoteSkipper are members of the navy or air force soldiers? no, they are sailors and airmen respectively. same reason why marines are not soldiers. because they are marines.

[VoteSkipper]

@visno well yes basically all of them are soldiers

[visno]

@VoteSkipper incorrect. a soldier is a member of the LAND component of national armed forces. Sailors are a member of the sea component, Airmen of the air component. Marines are not a LAND based armed force, they are classified as an amphibious component. not to insult you, but your ignorance of the subject doesnt make your incorrect usage of the term soldier correct.

[VoteSkipper]

@visno in the end they are all part of the military right? and they are all considered soldiers in the end, i dont understand why your being too defensive, its the truth, armed men who follow a flag and take orders blindly are called soldiers,

[visno]

@VoteSkipper what i am telling you is that they are not, you are misusing the word. they are not soldiers.

[VoteSkipper]

@visno your talking about a faction or group of the whole military force, they are all considered soldiers, the problem your being way too defensive over this, you think i dont know that those soldiers are called marines?

if you didnt know that these guys are marines, what would you call them? they wear a military uniform and carry guns, would you call them "gun people"?

[visno]

@VoteSkipper marines and soldiers do not wear the same uniform. so no i would not call a marine a soldier. again, your ignorance on the subject doesnt make your statement right. if you want a blanket term, "military personnel" is the term you are looking for.

[visno]

@VoteSkipper firstly, SEALs are sailors, not soldiers. as i said previously, just because YOU are comfortable using the word SOLDIER wrong, doesnt make your usage of the term correct. why don't you go find a marine and ask him if he is a soldier. i can guarantee you he will say he is a marine.

[VoteSkipper]

@visno they are many jobs out there that use a general term like a doctor, but there are different, a brain surgeon is different then a dentist but they are both doctors. and SEALs are soldiers, because they wear a uniform and follow orders, sailors are part of the military, look up any dictionary

[visno]

@VoteSkipper that would be because both surgeons and dentists have DOCTORS OF MEDICINE (M.D.) and thus are both doctors because of it. the definition that you posted earlier but deleted even said ARMY in it.

[VoteSkipper]

@visno glad you saw it, did you read number 2 and 3?

2. An enlisted person or a noncommissioned officer.

3. An active, loyal, or militant follower of an organization.

and an army is also a blanket term, but lets look at anthor dictionary;

1.a person who serves in an army; a person engaged in military service.

they didnt say a person WHO ONLY serves in an army, it was a blanket term, how but this;

2.an enlisted man or woman, as distinguished from a commissioned officer

"ENLISTED", get it?

[visno]

@VoteSkipper ok first of all, when the FIRST definition, which is typically the most common and correct definition says that you are wrong, you should take that as a sign that you are wrong. also ARMY is not a blanket term for a military force. ARMY is clearly defined as a land component of armed forces in almost all dictionaries. all these definitions you are pulling up clearly say ARMY in definition 1, and then later add to it by saying enlisted person. marines are marines. period

[VoteSkipper]

@visno well the thing is your ignoring the other definitions, they are not useless otherwise they wouldnt add them, they are all correct, enlisted person = solider, im not say solider is not part of land military, i never said it is not, but you cant ignore the fact that the word solider has always used to describe military and enlisted people

[visno]

@VoteSkipper its quite clear that you really dont know the term nor do you care to learn the term if you are going to continue to argue about it. as i said before, why dont you go find a marine and ask him if he is a soldier. if hes nice he'll just say no, if hes not, you are going to get yelled at for calling him a soldier. be my guest and try it for yourself.

[VoteSkipper]

@visno i do care, i know those are marines, im just saying that "solider" is also used to describe military men and women as well, the person who commented saying "i thought marines are the best soldiers" or whatever he said, he was right to describe them as soldiers, he knew they are marines and so did i, but you were so fired up and heated about, to the point you ignore dictionary definitions and the fact that the word "solider" and "army" are general terms

[SDLsatokamikaz]

La-li-lu-le-lo is the secret code name of the Patriots !

[TheDragonborne]

WTF IS la-li-lu-le-lo???

[aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa]

4:39 lalelulelo? what the fuck?

[clickingpinging]

"Sergei...looks like you were long overdue for reitirement."

Awesome line.

[shinobitony]

In my oppinion this is the best cutscene ever, from the best game ever made. Too bad we had to play with Raiden in the plant. A msg covering what appened between mgs2 and mgs4 must be made.

[theplatnuimfan]

the second voice is snake. thats why he appeared.

[paulosbruzzi]

When he say "Revolver... Ocelot", there are 2 voices in there :P who's the second voice?

[isaacpogi]

I think its snake

[Stealthgato]

@paulosbruzzi It's Snake that says it aswell. The camera even shows him saying it.

[Danbutch24]

@paulosbruzzi Snake.

[007masco]

lol the la-le-li-le-lo

[Whiskeyn666]

@007masco La-li-lu-le-lo!

Lol =)

[Majchocolate2]

Ocelot's my favorite foxhound member it's awesome that all he needs to fight is an old fashion revolver

[DaBigmac824]

METAL GEAR