Advanced Dagorhir Fighting Class Part 1

[Corekriss]

Where can I get a shield cover like these people have?

[alakaboom4]

@Corekriss Build it ;)

[53bahamut]

...the heck?

[thymenooijevaar]

@53bahamut i know right?

[Chaosslicer321]

I'm from ny hicksville. And idk if there's a daggerheir group around here but I'm defiantly interested in this... Can anyone help me out? I'm 14 lol

[SilentRaeth1]

@Chaosslicer321 Start your own. Like I've had to do with my group. Make flyers. Hicksville or not you'll get people it'll just take time. There's mostly a group near you though you just have to look.

[Regdarx11]

@Chaosslicer321 IF you are still interested 7 months later, Bay Shore has a practice group. Search "Tri-State Dagorhir" or "Dagorhir NY Tri-state Area" on Facebook and leave a note. We'll pick up on it and give you times and dates. The group that I started, the Bay Shore one, are all relatively new kids, average age being around 16 or 17 (with a few outliers naturally). We would love to have you and would certainly not shy away from helping you get better and getting started! PM me w/ questions.

[jhfwifgigt24g]

I just started going to Dagorhir practice and I love it.

[Dimitri0809]

So basically if you get hit my someones sword you're eliminated and you're not supposed to fight back makes good sense to me.

[HeadRage]

@Dimitri0809 You do fight back...hit them before they hit you.

It is good sense.

[midian11]

gdemit... cant wait for my larpign season to begin :(((

[nsight123]

where is dagohir?

[aapch1]

joining dagorhir, definitely.... my weapons dont look any where near as good as that... but meet all requirements.. are they passable? (my cloth covering is made of table cloth)

[gaara156]

what if u dont use a punch sheild

[Worgenftw]

Man, this is perfect! A few days ago a thought popped into my head; 'Hmm, I wonder. Anything I can get into that is like Sword and Board fighting?' And here you go! Thanks for posting this and can't wait to look into it further. :)

[gaxxag]

Any similar videos on dag not related to shield fighting? Or videos on combat against shield-using opponents while not using a shield?

[TheKevinBurroughs]

Is that Ori in this vid?

[VKQueenVamp]

Is a newb at this. lol but I did infact kick some ass my first time. I did something called a spiral fire kill.. as they told me, where i spun around with my shield and my weapon followed killing 4 people. ^^ but the side effect of my first time: broken glasses,strained leg muscle,spranged ancle and a shit load of bruises.... am I going back? hell ya!! i aint no girly girl my mom can get over it!

[cheifofsinners]

LOL I am one of those Clueless Nerds!! And we kick some freaking butt dudes! And get our butts freaking kicked. I dislocated and bruised my Thumb pretty badly just last Saturday during practice. Turns out stopping a blow from a five and a half foot Claymore with your pommel of your Hand and a Half sword isnt such a good idea ;)

[nsight123]

but, its kick ass to be able to go full force and not get banged up too bad. (wear a cup, i can't stress that enough lol) hockey gloves are optional if you're not trying to bang up your knuckles too bad. Sorry for the horrid first impression. Andrew Wilson's the name

[nsight123]

kick ass weaponry as well (i could send you pics if you'd like) We go by a point system. Vitals including head, neck, torso count as a kill or 1 point, ending a bout. Fighters re-set and start again (each match is refereed) Arms and legs count as half points in novice matches, don't count at all in real matches. Both limbs must simultaneously be struck to count as a kill. I understand these rules wouldnt work for you guys considering you probably dont wanna have to wear hockey masks all day

[nsight123]

Bro, in no way was I trying to insult you, and you really don't know what I do. (comment on other vid was complements of my gay brother :/ sorry bout that) We use foam swords as well, but in all honesty, i've been training with my group for only about 4 months, i'm just a quick learner and a keen researcher. I understand the rules of LARP duels, (no head shots) but in our duels we use modified hockey helmets with neck guards similar to fencing masks. Our production manager makes some really

[nsight123]

Left foot forward only if you're left handed with a sword. Either way, never limit your range, that sheild is merely a fail-safe and perrying aide. Stay on your toes and keep your knees bent. Blade straight at all times. Whether blocking high, mid or low, always straight (except when defending a low/high attack, in which case you turn and raise your blades handle from a low, straight blocking stance) learn the 12 basic points of attack.

[nsight123]

I think it's cute you all think you know what you're doing. Really, I do. In reality, you doing almost everything wrong, from the footwork, to the shield/sword partnership. Your shield is never your primary defense against another sword or long blunt object (arrows are obviously an exception) You need to focus and keeping that blade straight in one hand and using the flat of your blade to fend of attacks. RIGHT FOOT FORWARD!! Especially if you're using a shield

[Halofreakanoid]

@nsight123 : You're obviously forgetting that this is FOAM weapon based combat. The weapons are far lighter and have a tendency to bounce off of things. This changes everything completely from normal sword combat. It's not the same, and most of your swordsmanship practices will never work during it.

[nsight123]

I would love to bring my crew to you larpers and show you all how to truly dominate the art of melee fighting. You all have so much to learn...

[GozerTheGozerian]

Also, simple geometry and physics here – a stab is always going to hit its mark quicker than a broad, sweeping slash, even if the slash looks cooler. Stab any dude who raises his sword for a broad cut, because it's physically impossible for him to strike you first.

If they have a shield and you can condition them to circle or sidestep, even better. If you throw successive strikes at one angle, 99% of people will sidestep and you can get them to walk right into your weapon.

[GozerTheGozerian]

People watch too many movies. IRL, a swordfight would end in about 5 seconds with one person mortally wounded.

Do NOT lead with a static foot. You don't see Fedor Emelianenko, prime Roy Jones, Anderson Silva or any elite fighter standing with both feet planted on the ground. Footwork is king, and to fight (with or without weapons) you should come from odd angles and put the force of your body into the strike.

I know many LARPers would disagree, but you can learn a lot from a boxing class.

[nsight123]

I 100% agree. My teacher did years of mma and jeet kune do and he's trying to open up his own school specifically for melee fighting. AAMF (acadamy of american melee fighting) We're in Vancouver Washington and we really need some PR

[GozerTheGozerian]

@nsight123 From my limited experience interacting with Dagorhir players, a significant number of them seem to be angry nerds whose default attitude is to be rude to newcomers.

It's that kind of arrogance that leads them to think they can teach "advanced" (or any) melee fighting when they clearly don't know what they're doing. The guy in this video is clearly one of those clowns.

Wouldn't it be fun to get these guys in a boxing ring and just throw down?

[nsight123]

No, wouldn't be fun at all. Not only would they not stand more than a few seconds, but i'd probably get a side ache from laughing so much. All they need is a few weeks away from Glondithor or whatever the fuck, maybe find a girl to date (if at all possible) and learn some real techniques and come back and own LARP nation

[Vindictus88]

@nsight123 nsight you sound like a total tool comparing LARP fighting to live steel fighting, going on about your pseudo-ninja techniques then turning around and poking fun at the people you spent 30 minutes lecturing. You're not impressing anyone. No one cares how many years you've spent butf*cking your sensai for your black belt. You talk the talk but chances are you will NEVER set foot at a LARP event because you're scared of what others may think of you. Thats the reality, now piss off.

[GozerTheGozerian]

@Vindictus88 He's a tool? How about the assclown in this video who claims to teach "advanced fighting techniques" to a group of clueless nerds?

Dagorhir Advanced Fighting Techniques = Stand there like a jerk-off, as a stationary target, swinging your sword like a retard.

I mean, the leader of the Rome "guild" calls himself Imperator and really thinks he knows military tactics. I would love to unload a bus full of guidos at your next Ragnarok and watch them pummel you twats for shits n giggles.

[Vindictus88]

@GozerTheGozerian So why don't you man up and do it cupcake? Oh that's right, your'e too busy pointing out flaws to people who FIGHT WITH PADDED WEAPONS AND COULD CARE F*CKING LESS. With your "limited experience interacting with Dagorhir players" you sure know ALL about them. Everyone has their hobbies so why don't you let them continue larping and you can continue being gay.

[Baculus]

@GozerTheGozerian You sound like a royal arse -- and you call other people "nerds" when you have a handle like "Gozer the Gozerian?" How pathetic is that?

And you wouldn't talk shit to Dominus' face, you douche.

[totodoggy]

I hate people that use douchy swords like that. They're swords people, not boat paddles, pad your shit the way its supposed to be.

[EvilZombieClown]

All im going to say, is weapon before body, keeps telegraphing your movements at a minimum. That goes for more then just sword work. Then again, im not a fan of using shields.

[Rocker8824]

To light and the hits to weak I mean you barely get tapped and shit people yell your hit when irl you'd be fine

[ramapado]

wimpy swords

[NpcMaster]

What is the diameter of your round shields?

[Ronnock]

Is there a disadvantage if you were to use LARP foam swords for Dagorhir? I'm really new to this whole concept and I'm just looking for answers. Please be patient, thank you. Also, it is recommended to use a one-handed weapon and shield or are there people who use no shield and a two-handed weapon? Thanks.

[Ronnock]

Is there a disadvantage if you were to use LARP foam swords for Dagorhir? I'm really new to this whole concept and I'm just looking for answers. Please be patient, thank you.  Also, it is recommended to use a one-handed weapon and shield or are there people who use no shield and a two-handed weapon? Thanks.

[Autumnvicky]

Hey, I've seen Evias in person! I recognize his shield, and I remember someone asking about Omega. Cool, I hope to learn well from this video! ~ Tonzi

[fuehrerxss]

foam fags

[j0nj0n3697]

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[j0nj0n3697]

@fuehrerxss fuck you you mother fucking cock sucking ass hole. people have a right to do whatever they want like larping and you can continue being gay see , everyone has hobbies because larping is fun asshole

[battlelos]

@j0nj0n3697 a little too much language, but a good point.

[kazesamurai1000]

hey there, nice video, I have one question though, are you allowed to do shield kicks in dagorhir? the only thing that might not work with it (besides kicking someone really hard) would probably be messing up their shield. what if you rip the cloth/other thats on the front, or mess up the paint or something. Thanks for the help. (I hope its legal, I would really to kick some shields)

[bluefox216]

@kazesamurai1000 from the dagorhir manual of arms

"4.7.12 - Shield Kicking: Players are allowed to kick shields, provided the kicker keeps one foot on the ground. (No flying kicks!) Shield kicking must be done with regard for the safety of other fighters and will be monitored carefully by the Heralds."

i'm not actually in dagorhir (yet) but i'm interested in joining :D

[kazesamurai1000]

I kind of expected it would be closely monitored, but anyway its still cool. thanks for the answer.

[bluefox216]

@kazesamurai1000 no prob :)

[Fireheart528]

@bluefox216 I am too, but there ain't anyone in there round these parts.............i hate living in a boring town!

[eldest91]

@kazesamurai1000 U can shield kick but no flying kicks XD they actually show a little bit of shield kicking in the later parts of the series and since the shields are easy to make most of the people don't mind if it gets ripped or the foam breaks

[evilanimemonkey]

is this LARPing or D&D reenactments or something? I DONT UNDERSTAND

[shadelord759]

this is a LARP, this one is a realistic one i belive so yeah

[IdiotsOfOz]

common sence... not cunning

[MoonDragn77]

Only thing I see wrong with this is that without ability to throw head shots, the shield guy can stand there forever holding that shield in front of him with relative safety unless he's faced with an opponent with longer weapons.

[dantejosephmorelli]

yeah i see watcha mean. u usually just counter big shields with a good shield kick to knock them to the ground

[MoonDragn77]

Ahhh that changes things. I didn't know you were allowed to kick the shield. Well that would make for an interesting fight.

[dantejosephmorelli]

yeah it balances things out. u can also ram him to the ground and grapple that shield off him to get too him. im good at that fighting tactic:D

[IggyZadr]

@MoonDragn77

No, that's totally wrong. I can have a short weapon and I can easily get around your shield with a wrap shot.

[MoonDragn77]

You can, if you can get in close. The problem is that I'll hit you before you close the distance, unless you also have a shield and you can close the distance fast enough. If so, then you're right, the length won't matter.

[IggyZadr]

@MoonDragn77

Don't even really need to have a shield. If you use your other arm to protect yourself from the shot, I would gladly trade an arm in order to kill the other guy, assuming of course you kill them. But there are many different scenarios that can occur.

[WARLog403]

What is the diameter of the circular shields?

[Arkenarge]

damnn i want to go there

[Alchemydude666]

I like my kiteshield, but I am seriously good at defending and attacking with a 2 hand blue longsword, held in the imaginary reverse blade stance, wich I literally had to learn to use myself (it was created in an anime) and it's my secret weapon, I am a beast with that blue.

[voxximous]

come out to badon hill and show off your style.

[MrAnimatorGuy]

how do yall afford this. do the players pay for there own stuff

[redstar170]

It costs about $40-50 to get the matrials for all your stuff. The group near you will be happy to help teach you tobuild/sew.Some will sell premade equips, search online.Not really an expensive hobby.Fun,athletic,friends,tal­l tales to tell...good times.

[Locker344]

what kinda cores yall usin? looks like fiberglass

[waldoman7]

shields suck because they are slow. two swords ftw!  speed is the name of the game.

...though spears do always pwn me. I freakin hate long range weapons

[Locker344]

i am with ya there. there are ways to get around ranged weapons tho. and wear face armor lol so arrows don't work

[RokkerBoy]

This made me happy. As a spearman, florintiners are always good to poke

[DavinSteidel]

long range weapons can be an advantage for you too tho you just have to know the certain techniques in using their reach to your advantage

[waldoman7]

well I'd love to hear those techniques....I mean sure it's great if you get inside their range but how do you step forward faster than they step back WHILE warding off heavy blows?

and if you pull that off, they still usually have a back up weapon to pull out

[DavinSteidel]

well most people who use the long range weapons like pole axes ect arent as good with the shorter range weapon they have, and if your any good with short range and get around the range you can usually get the kill, also its best to back them up to a wall or something. a good technique is just misdirecting their weapon and coming in for a hit.

[blitzwere]

that is one advantage a shield user has over a dual wielder(sp) they can defect hits slightly faster

[MeowMan666]

What weapon is Magnus using? It's not a bat, and its not a sword...also how would i go about making one?

[pleasedie666]

Omega is a bitch that can't fight. I've fought him and he doesn't know how to take his hits...fucking girl.

[strykr2028]

i just realized that my comments are out of order so read the one on the bottom first.

[strykr2028]

...the Spartans are the only ones allowed to do that ad they all died at Thermopylae. a good warrior can not only fight with either foot forward but is equally as good with both hands. a shield is a good tool, but use it as an extension of yourself rather than an immovable barrier to keep you out of harms way. stay mobile and move, the samurai had a philosophy of never remaining in one place, to keep moving, even if it is to circle your opponent. improvise and take advantage of a weakness.

[slavuBOG]

not only samurais

in medieval europe master of sword said : if you do not move you are dead.

about not moving their shelds - notice that they do not hit heads nad have large shields, so they hold shieds in 1 position and do not have need to do this

but after alll - is only game for boys what they are doing

[slavuBOG]

about the way they fight - a lot of non-sense postures and moves

no headshots no fun

[redstar170]

Not true,I fought SCA for 20year,got sick of politico crap.This is just as fun,fast and hard.All training requires this sort of slow work to program muscle memory so the technique can be done with out thought.Different fight style,yes.Inferior,no.

[slavuBOG]

but i think video is not about SCA. as far i know it looks different, but i might be wrong

i only wrote that i see many non-senses in this training - from perspective of few years in combat.

[redstar170]

Its notSCA its called Dagorhir,we pad the weapons instead of the people.Things you can do in this would not work inSCA becauseSCA hit power has gotten out of hand how hard you have to hit depends on relative disparity in political rank.If Im a duke I can ignore 3 head shots in crown tourney because my opponent is not at least a knight.The officals would not step in because they need the duke to get themselves or their people up in rank.Later my opponent would be told 'that's the way it is.

[slavuBOG]

i prefer when both opponents have the same rights

pading weapon.... the feeling of holding and figthing real weapon is, for me, priceless

[redstar170]

I guess a rattan stick is closer to a real weapon than a padded baton.I played SCA for a long time, all fighters are equal,some are just more equal than others.Those padded batons if well made actually behave more like a real weapon than rattanMelee is more dynamic in Dag with gappling and back attacks,light unarmored flankers and surging shield walls+lots of archers and javilins

[slavuBOG]

have you ever used steel weapon ??

[redstar170]

only steel I have used for SCA fencing.Mainly thrist with some draw cut allowed.

[strykr2028]

ok, i have to agree with genericusername562, because while i can't deny that those tactics may work at something like Ragnarok it truly is a bad form of swordplay. i am a swordsman i have been for a while, and the one thing i have noticed while doing dagorhir is that there is a lack of finesse when fighting. it may not have started this way but from what ive seen its become a contest of who has the biggest shield with the longest spear...

[Locker344]

ya i agree. most vids u see there are a shitload o spear users and alot o ppl with wall shields. duel wielding takes alot more skill

[RandomNinja25]

Where did you get your dagorhir outfit?

[lere5272]

in all the videos you did cover loss of limb

[alexflorea123]

ive had the privelege of fighting agianst magnus, the blonde guy talking in the begining of the vid.

[gamerdude535]

and i gotta say i may soon be new to dagorhir but i have skills with swords and sheilds amongst my skill with all melee weapons

[BredrinJ]

yeah thats what you think. Im 6'6 390lbs. I thought id be knocking everyone around. I was wrong, I been playing for a few months and I still get knocked around.

Your probably just a fucking momma's boy, "i have skills with swords and sheilds amongst my skill with all melee weapons"

LOL! maybe in a video game you fag

[genericusername562]

so, your getting knocked around, and think that means you get to be an asshole to a random person? from what i've seen, a lot of people at dagorhir don't fight very well. so you getting knocked around is showing how bad you yourself are.

as a general comment, the students here are holding their weapons better than the teachers.

[gamerdude535]

ive been thinking of playing dagorhir lately how i found out about this awsome sport was in a dvd documentery called the master of the rings

[iceblue345]

where is this? i wanna play. and how old do you have to be

[HeadRage]

If you're under 14, I think you might have to get your parents to sign a waiver...not sure.

But there's probably a field near you if you're in the USA.

[7677876]

It's in Somerset Pennsylvania (USA). Based on the videos I've seen, it looks like most of the people there are 16-30. I'm not sure though...

[TheFallenOfEryndor]

Its 14 and up, and there are more then just the one in PA, The one there is Badon Hill. Go to Dagorhir[DoT]com for more info.

[fish707]

it is 16-75 but if you are 14-15 you need a parent or guardian to sign a waver so ya you have it partly right

[TheFallenOfEryndor]

Been a long time since ive been to Dag...

[fish707]

no problem it took me a long time figure it out :)

[mas9999999999]

I recommend you pick up a sport, start lifting weights, deit/get a good nights sleep, and socialize with people. This will ensure the loss of your virginity and future happiness.

[wtfwhoisthat]

2:47 box with legs =D

[longsticks55]

i have no idea what your saying half the time, the earlier videos were done better

[apollodorus85]

Yeah, the audio quality here is lacking. The instructors weren't really projecting well, except for Magnus (most of the time).

[Evias1313]

I didn't even remember being filmed, haha. It should be kept in mind that this was less of a "class" and more a discussion for the people physically present.

[CorsairKing]

excellent