Bronte refers to Jane Austen's heroine as, "Insipid". Couldn't have put it better myself! Jane Austen barely scratched the surface on feminism. Even Elizabeth Bennett irritates me! She barely knows herself, let alone Darcy. She is a poor judge of character and a snob. Unlike the fiery, independant, fiercely intelligent, Jane Eyre...who truely DOES know, and trust herself. Yet she has no connections, nor fortune, she knows she deserves more in life...and so sets out to achieve her due, happiness.
There is NO need to introduce Jane Eyre by dissing Jane Austen. I think of the two, Austen was the best and more interesting. Insipid is NOT a word i would describe any of Austens heroine. (perhaps Fanny price in some reluctant light)
If you ask me-- Jane Eyre is not about Jane Eyre. It is strictky about Mr. Rochester. In the end when Bronte declares 'Reader i have married him', she clearly announces -mission acomplished. Me so ugly, me so delighted Mr. Mean Man loves me is the themebook.
@Basra2020 I'm on your side in that I personally prefer Austen's work to Bronte's- it's outrageous to call Lizzie Bennet insipid! But if you object to introducing Jane Eyre by quoting Charlotte Bronte's opinion of Austen, then it's not really fair that you then go on to insult Jane Eyre as a way of defending Austen. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you think the entire book is solely about Jane trying to ensnare Mr Rochester than I can't help feeling that you missed the point.
@Lindysse Oh Lindysse dearest, i think you r ovbiously in-love with Mr. Rochester just like most of the mood swing inclined women. I dont blame ya, you are not the first one. Truly, in my un-humble opinion, i do think Jane Eyre is about Jane Eyre 'enaring' her moody mysterious bad boy man. Women for century have been attracted to bad boys--its not the first and certainly not the least. I mean, Jane Austen is the only authoress who said- wiat a minute. b. boy Wicham is not as sexy as Rich b. D
@Basra2020 Haha! Well, Rochester is not my favourite hero, far from it, & I'm definitely not in love with him- g've me a Darcy any day ;) I like how Bronte wrote Rochester- his flaws make him believable- but I woldn't have been able to marry him. He kept his mad wife in the attic! How could you ever trust someone again after you found that out? But I think that Jane Eyre is about a lot more than falling in love- a lot of it is to do with being true to who you are, & finding acceptance for that,
@Lindysse Cool. We agree Darcy is the better one. But in fairness to Rochester--he is the passionate one compared to Darcy. I like that about him, and i also like Darcys intelligence and his bank account, But our agreement ends there. I never liked Eyre, and i dont think i will ever do. It seems like even Bronte didnt like her--she depicted Eyre as plain looking woman who has a fiesty temprament. I like a heroine who is witty, beautiful, superficial, and elegantly annoying. think Lizzy Bennett!
@Basra2020 Ahh, well I like Jane- she's plain, but I don't see why a heroine should have to be pretty to be an engaging character. In real life you don't make friends with people because they look good- or if you do, it tends to be ill-advised. Lizzy's not superficial either though- if she was, she'd have fallen for Darcy at the beginning of the book when she saw he was handsome & rich. I like Darcy because he is steadfast, honest & generous.
@Lindysse Again, i happily disagree. A heroine i enjoy must be beautiful, witty and engaging. Beauty is an absolute necessity. And one cannot apply same rules in novels and real life. Thats why its called 'novel'. A novel idea is to escape to a world not like your own. I dont want ugly real life people. I want glamorous unimaginable aesthetics. LOL Lizzy in fact did fall in love with Darcy when she first met him, why else did she take it so personally when he slighted her? Lizzy is a bully.
@Basra2020 I also disagree again :) a heroine must have a beautiful personality, otherwise you can't empathise with their situation, but physical beauty is not a must. The rules of a novel and real life are different in terms of plot, but you have to apply the same rules in terms of characters otherwise the reader will not be able to identify with them. As for Lizzie- if she fell for him at the beginning, why did she refuse his 1st proposal? & when's she a bully?
@Lindysse I agree a beautiful personality is good. But to me--a beautiful personality without beauty is dull. I dont have to identify with the heroine, i just want to admire her. Lizzie fell inlove with Darcy at first sight but then her vanity was insulted by the proud darcy, therefore she decided to teach him a lesson. Seduce him by aggressive bullying. Catherine de bough was right when she accused lizzy with 'arts and allurements'. not to mention insulting him by bully tactics. Lizzy = narciss
@Basra2020 But what's there to admire about beauty? It's a matter of luck, you can't choose how you look. You actions have to be chosen, which is why a good personality is more admirable. & Lizzy's actions don't fit at all with the behaviour of someone who is in love. Why on earth would she encourage Wickham's stories about Darcy if she was? And if you think she is a bully, then do you only admire her because she's beautiful? =P In that case you may as well admire Caroline Bingley or Lucy Steele
@Lindysse LOL actually i do admire Miss Bingley and Lucy Steele. I think they are brilliantly drawn characters--Austen deserves my hug and kiss for this genius art. LOL Lizzy encouraged Wichams stories because she bonded with him given both were slighted by darcy. The moment lizzy saw darcy she fell in love with him, that would explain why she was so mad at darcy for thinking she was 'tolerable enough' Lizzy is a narcissist who abused darcy for dare to think she was not pretty enough. LOL
@Basra2020 They really are wonderfully drawn- but this means that you admire Austen's skills, not the actual characters.& that does not work with being in love. If she was in love with Darcy at this point, she'd have cared about his reputation and not encouraged the slanders. & you don't have to be in love with someone to be annoyed with them calling you'tolerable'-a complete stranger turning up his nose at you without knowing you at all is enough to offend anyone- tho Lizzy is a bit vain ;)
@Lindysse No. I actually admire Miss Bingley and Steele. I admire Bingleys beauty and elegance. And I admire Steele survival skills--cunning and manipulative. I dont have to judge them as amoral, to me they are moral and good in their own way. Just because Austen demands us to dislike them, we dont have to follow like sheep
Lizzy was more than annoyed. She teamed up with Wicham, vocally voice her dislike of Darcys pride in Netherfield and took every opportunity to verbally combat with him. LOL
What a treat to see these interviews with my favorite actors: Toby Stephens and Ruth Wilson. I watch Jane Eyre over and over again, just the parts with them two... The other people comments remind me the high school time, when you are told what to think about the novel you read. I always hated it.
Thankyou for posting, Jane Eyre has been my favourite book and heroine since I first read the story aged 12.
I came across this video via a link from the Jane Eyre 2006 BBC adaptation; for those interested in viewing the other parts of this documentary, just type sabrinafair2 heroines in YT search : ]
Bronte refers to Jane Austen's heroine as, "Insipid". Couldn't have put it better myself! Jane Austen barely scratched the surface on feminism. Even Elizabeth Bennett irritates me! She barely knows herself, let alone Darcy. She is a poor judge of character and a snob. Unlike the fiery, independant, fiercely intelligent, Jane Eyre...who truely DOES know, and trust herself. Yet she has no connections, nor fortune, she knows she deserves more in life...and so sets out to achieve her due, happiness.
fancy0face 6 months ago 3
I Both Austen & Bronte Equally Although I Am Fond Of Mr. Rochester Because He Shows How Sometimes A Man Would Date Someone Just To Her Jealous
gabi78209 9 months ago
There is NO need to introduce Jane Eyre by dissing Jane Austen. I think of the two, Austen was the best and more interesting. Insipid is NOT a word i would describe any of Austens heroine. (perhaps Fanny price in some reluctant light)
If you ask me-- Jane Eyre is not about Jane Eyre. It is strictky about Mr. Rochester. In the end when Bronte declares 'Reader i have married him', she clearly announces -mission acomplished. Me so ugly, me so delighted Mr. Mean Man loves me is the themebook.
Basra2020 10 months ago
@Basra2020 I'm on your side in that I personally prefer Austen's work to Bronte's- it's outrageous to call Lizzie Bennet insipid! But if you object to introducing Jane Eyre by quoting Charlotte Bronte's opinion of Austen, then it's not really fair that you then go on to insult Jane Eyre as a way of defending Austen. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you think the entire book is solely about Jane trying to ensnare Mr Rochester than I can't help feeling that you missed the point.
Lindysse 8 months ago
@Lindysse Oh Lindysse dearest, i think you r ovbiously in-love with Mr. Rochester just like most of the mood swing inclined women. I dont blame ya, you are not the first one. Truly, in my un-humble opinion, i do think Jane Eyre is about Jane Eyre 'enaring' her moody mysterious bad boy man. Women for century have been attracted to bad boys--its not the first and certainly not the least. I mean, Jane Austen is the only authoress who said- wiat a minute. b. boy Wicham is not as sexy as Rich b. D
Basra2020 8 months ago
@Basra2020 Haha! Well, Rochester is not my favourite hero, far from it, & I'm definitely not in love with him- g've me a Darcy any day ;) I like how Bronte wrote Rochester- his flaws make him believable- but I woldn't have been able to marry him. He kept his mad wife in the attic! How could you ever trust someone again after you found that out? But I think that Jane Eyre is about a lot more than falling in love- a lot of it is to do with being true to who you are, & finding acceptance for that,
Lindysse 8 months ago
@Lindysse Cool. We agree Darcy is the better one. But in fairness to Rochester--he is the passionate one compared to Darcy. I like that about him, and i also like Darcys intelligence and his bank account, But our agreement ends there. I never liked Eyre, and i dont think i will ever do. It seems like even Bronte didnt like her--she depicted Eyre as plain looking woman who has a fiesty temprament. I like a heroine who is witty, beautiful, superficial, and elegantly annoying. think Lizzy Bennett!
Basra2020 7 months ago
@Basra2020 Ahh, well I like Jane- she's plain, but I don't see why a heroine should have to be pretty to be an engaging character. In real life you don't make friends with people because they look good- or if you do, it tends to be ill-advised. Lizzy's not superficial either though- if she was, she'd have fallen for Darcy at the beginning of the book when she saw he was handsome & rich. I like Darcy because he is steadfast, honest & generous.
Lindysse 7 months ago
@Lindysse Again, i happily disagree. A heroine i enjoy must be beautiful, witty and engaging. Beauty is an absolute necessity. And one cannot apply same rules in novels and real life. Thats why its called 'novel'. A novel idea is to escape to a world not like your own. I dont want ugly real life people. I want glamorous unimaginable aesthetics. LOL Lizzy in fact did fall in love with Darcy when she first met him, why else did she take it so personally when he slighted her? Lizzy is a bully.
Basra2020 7 months ago
@Basra2020 I also disagree again :) a heroine must have a beautiful personality, otherwise you can't empathise with their situation, but physical beauty is not a must. The rules of a novel and real life are different in terms of plot, but you have to apply the same rules in terms of characters otherwise the reader will not be able to identify with them. As for Lizzie- if she fell for him at the beginning, why did she refuse his 1st proposal? & when's she a bully?
Lindysse 7 months ago
@Lindysse I agree a beautiful personality is good. But to me--a beautiful personality without beauty is dull. I dont have to identify with the heroine, i just want to admire her. Lizzie fell inlove with Darcy at first sight but then her vanity was insulted by the proud darcy, therefore she decided to teach him a lesson. Seduce him by aggressive bullying. Catherine de bough was right when she accused lizzy with 'arts and allurements'. not to mention insulting him by bully tactics. Lizzy = narciss
Basra2020 7 months ago
@Basra2020 But what's there to admire about beauty? It's a matter of luck, you can't choose how you look. You actions have to be chosen, which is why a good personality is more admirable. & Lizzy's actions don't fit at all with the behaviour of someone who is in love. Why on earth would she encourage Wickham's stories about Darcy if she was? And if you think she is a bully, then do you only admire her because she's beautiful? =P In that case you may as well admire Caroline Bingley or Lucy Steele
Lindysse 7 months ago
@Lindysse LOL actually i do admire Miss Bingley and Lucy Steele. I think they are brilliantly drawn characters--Austen deserves my hug and kiss for this genius art. LOL Lizzy encouraged Wichams stories because she bonded with him given both were slighted by darcy. The moment lizzy saw darcy she fell in love with him, that would explain why she was so mad at darcy for thinking she was 'tolerable enough' Lizzy is a narcissist who abused darcy for dare to think she was not pretty enough. LOL
Basra2020 7 months ago
@Basra2020 They really are wonderfully drawn- but this means that you admire Austen's skills, not the actual characters.& that does not work with being in love. If she was in love with Darcy at this point, she'd have cared about his reputation and not encouraged the slanders. & you don't have to be in love with someone to be annoyed with them calling you'tolerable'-a complete stranger turning up his nose at you without knowing you at all is enough to offend anyone- tho Lizzy is a bit vain ;)
Lindysse 7 months ago
@Lindysse No. I actually admire Miss Bingley and Steele. I admire Bingleys beauty and elegance. And I admire Steele survival skills--cunning and manipulative. I dont have to judge them as amoral, to me they are moral and good in their own way. Just because Austen demands us to dislike them, we dont have to follow like sheep
Lizzy was more than annoyed. She teamed up with Wicham, vocally voice her dislike of Darcys pride in Netherfield and took every opportunity to verbally combat with him. LOL
Basra2020 7 months ago
what's that spray they keep using during make-up?
Alishhh4 1 year ago
What is the name of the song that Adele singing 5:34-5:41? I like it very much and can't find it anywhere....(
RedFM22 1 year ago
my favourite part - STOP THAT NOISE! I'LL SEND YOU TO SCHOOL!
pokegirl93 1 year ago 13
Mr. Rochester started by love of the Brontes and the Austens. He and Darcy are my favorite characters and scale for everything great :)
Maisha2006 1 year ago 2
Thank you so much. This video's great. I was pleased to watch new images. I love this series and of course Toby Stephens
nikita38a 1 year ago
What a treat to see these interviews with my favorite actors: Toby Stephens and Ruth Wilson. I watch Jane Eyre over and over again, just the parts with them two... The other people comments remind me the high school time, when you are told what to think about the novel you read. I always hated it.
tucson67 1 year ago
Thankyou for posting, Jane Eyre has been my favourite book and heroine since I first read the story aged 12.
I came across this video via a link from the Jane Eyre 2006 BBC adaptation; for those interested in viewing the other parts of this documentary, just type sabrinafair2 heroines in YT search : ]
missjiggy33 2 years ago 2
Ow wow fanks i haven't seen this before ;)
southwind224 2 years ago
Oh, thank you, I loved they showed the shooting scene where Adele is singing that song and the fly on Toby's face.lol!
misslucemala 2 years ago 17
You're very welcome
sanyam71 2 years ago
Thank you!
malgory 2 years ago