I'm a mormon, feel really sorry for this Stan man, not about his losing faith, but about his Bishop refusing to reply to his letters. Some people get that calling and think they're the new God or something. Good luck to him and I hope he leads a good life. His Bishop was hopefully released from his calling for refusing a man's God-given free will to leave.
@lukacho5 you are an idiot! This man is telling his personal story and you dog him that way.....wake up and be real....Are you active LDS or just a teenager?
I just want everyone watching this movie to know that they are loved. If not by anyone else, then by me, but not in a creepy way of course. In a more respectful and friendly type way. Everyone on this earth can be important to someone, and I just want you to know that you are important to me.... I hope you have a remarkably serendipitous day. Just remember (and think on this) "optimism wins even when optimism loses" ~i1Schmidty
@Qsdd0 True, but Shintoism is neither modern nor homegrown americana, like the examples I gave earlier. Ancient religions may indeed be truly fucktardious, but at least they have the strength of many generations of tradition that give them weight.
One of the basics of mormonism is charity. "The Pure Love of Christ"
If we can't love our neighbor... then what can we?
I WILL never reject my neighbor. I WILL always show compassion. I WILL strive to hold my own, and another, until they can hold themselves. I WILL serve an LDS mission when I'm 19, and I hope that anyone one who believes this video will drop off of YouTube for a minute, and go to a local church/branch of LDS members, and ask them for a chance to talk with the missionaries.
@i1Schmidty cool and I hope you take the time to look around and find the facts about your faith before you waste anymore of your life on what is so obviously fiction.
I am Mormon I go to church every Sunday hold the priesthood and believe everything that Mormons stand for. For everyone who has left the church come back and I guarantee that you will be loved and cared for by all the members of the church. Do it for yourselves please
@lpain77 Mormons do love & will love only Mormons or potential Mormons. Mormons cannot stand people who have been Mormons & now C clearly that it is a lie. If a person is LDS they should look at page 41 of their "Pearl of Great Price" & C how Joseph Smith identified 2 very obvious feminine pictures figures 2 & 4 as men. Do some research on the egyptian godesses Isis & Maat 2 learn the proper identities of these two pictures. Figure 1 is Osiris. Read Philipians 2:5-11 & Isaiah 43:10,11.
Religion had its run let science pave the way for the future.
I see Religion as a money making scam. Think about it, you hear your pastor or priest or whatever on Sunday and he's teaching you about the word of God and when it ends, you put a decent amount of money in the collector's baskets. If you think logically it's a scam, taking people's money, when I'm sure the priest or whatever knows half the things aren't true or logical himself. You could do the same by reading the bible yourself.
@christyr3898 Not only that but if the priest, if not the whole church community really cared and believed in the word of God, they wouldn't ask for money. Religion is way to divert from the truth, Evolution. It's a way of giving reason for things people don't have the answers themselves for ~hence God. The Greek gods are an example of this, Cupid is the reason for love, Zeus is the reason for thunderstorms and so on. And the fact people believe everything the Bible tells them is beyond me.
@averageaccount666 I feel ya, my folks forced my to go to JW church when I was younger, just keep looking around at things that interest you like that hot girl in the front row until you are old enough to clearly explain why you dont believe and maybe your mum will see there is reason behind what you say and neither of you will have to go anymore :)
Religion: It's all about control and money. It's days are numbered - at least one can hope. Unfortunately humans are almost instinctively superstitious and half are stupid, ignorant, or both.
@TheThinkingAtheist /watch?v=Jd-RKWYTXI8&feature=related Terrible to see people caught up in a false religion like mormonism and then try and figure out the truth in all the lies. Trust in Jesus, for only His blood takes away all sin. The Bible is the only truth, not books like the book of mormon
Terrible to see people caught up in a false religions like oh all of them.
Fortunatly I was not born with sin so I have no problem, I can't or won't support rape, slavery or a tyranicle dictatorship. Particularly from a saviour that is harder to prove exsisted than spaceships from other planets.
@VideoAudioDisco09 I see.. well everyone will face death at any point in their life and its hard to recall if we have done anything in our lives that will matter in our afterlife. We are all born with sin, whether you recognize it or not. If we didn't have sin, we wouldn't have a corrupt world like we have today. Jesus came specifically for that purpose, to take away sin and give eternal life to those who follow Him and His Word (Bible). It's that simple.
Sorry i do not share your delusions, nor after reading the bible would I want to.
From the bible I would be suspicious this Devil Chap set up monotheisms as a joke.
Still it is all man-made myth, fairytales and superstition. Nothing gives me any evidence or reason to accept any of the God hypothesis available today.
Prehaps you should read and seek the truth, with eyes open you may be surprised.
An hypothesis is a statement about how a phenomenon works which makes a prediction about the phenomenon and is invalidated if that phenomenon does not react as predicted.
There is no God hypothesis. It's a God conjecture.
Yes I see you point and conjecture is fitting but hypothesis can also be defined as a conjecture as inconclusive or incomplete evidence but there is no evidence.
I like hypothesis as in a Scientific Hypothesis which can be refuted and fail.
Which religion has done in buckets. You don't even have to go outside the bible to utterly lay waste to the claims made. They are only a tissue of lies based on pseudoscience, pseudohistory and pseudoarguments. Just wish thinking.
I returned to the start. Hypothesis statement about how a phenomenon works.
God is presented by theists as what is an Hyupothesis. They often tell us how he works or does not, what poweres he has, endless secret and mysterious revelations f purpose, methos and functions. So I really do think Hypothesis fits and it has certainly being debunked and failed.
No you don't see you have religius blinkers on. There is no serious evidence for an after life. None for the monotheastic theologiocal invention.
So what you do in life matters very much. It is not an empty wait for death.
WE no you want to believe you were born with sin gilty of a crime you did not commit.
I do not have sin. Would we have corruption YES it is human nature. What we do to better our world or do rightly and fairly in our lives is what counts.
What can be gleaned is that he was executed as a comon criminal and did not come back. TIP: He is not coming he is dead and gone just like all the other messiahs of his era.
I also came across to know about this church. I never understood why there's a second bible if the regular holy bible clearly states that it's the truth.
There are more than just 2. Many variations in the texts are not accidental, there has been an effort to striaten out some of the BS and difficulties.
Even a few years back the Anglican Sinod discussed a rewrite to tidy up the bible.
Ironically there should be only one as within the Bible it states, he who changes so much as one word and teaches others to do the same is condemmed forever.
alot of mormons i've met we're just plain rude and mad. i tell them about evolution and atheism they get piss i have this mormon friend who is a troll. and mormons are just plain werid people.
@Wolfboy2012 I would agree. As an ex-mormon myself, I found them all to be complete hypocrites. Not to mention the laughable beliefs... they have spiritual underwear, no joke.
@Wolfboy2012 You sound very rude and mad. You call your "friend" a troll. Thats a pretty weird way to act towards a friend. I would say having you as a friend; your friend doesn't need any enemies.
@Wolfboy2012 Well, actually there are plenty of members of the church who believe in evolution. However that is not the point, the point is that we need to respect other people's beliefs. Refusing to respect others and categorizing them with generalities like, "bad" or "weird" does not lead to any positive result. In fact such tactics are often used to get people to repress or attack another group. Look at the Nazis in World War 2. Please do not make the same mistake.
Well, actually there are plenty of members of the church who believe in evolution.
Good to see reality can not always just be ignored.
Respect other people's beliefs, why. I do not respect the Klu Klux Klan, Facists, The Man Boy Love group, Peadophiles and many more. Respect has to be earned just as the Religious have earned due contempt, not for who they are or any good they do but for the ridiculous beliefs and superstitions of ancient peoples they cling to as truth.
@DomChLand This is the same with any religion, it was probably cavemen thought that natural disasters (Exp.volcanoes, earthquakes) they thought a powerful being was angry at them.
@DomChLand If you are serious and sincerely want to know all you have to do is read The Book of Mormon from cover to cover and you will know how it became a religion. Google: Request a free copy of The Book of Mormon. You will find an online "form". Fill it out and one will be delivered to your door by two missionaries. If that makes you uncomfortable chances are you know someone who is Mormon and they'll usually have a paperback copy you can have or barrow.
I've been looking at the comments below saying the word evil alot. And if your atheist, it means you believe we were created somehow scientificly. I think that everything was so precise in the big bang. That we arrived as cells. Thus begins evoloution. Something like that. And we were put here for no reason. There is no such thing as evil. That is just societiea interperitation.
@Ziperzap you know if I teach a monkey to calculate 1+1=2, he doesn't understand what it means, but rather, he just knows that he will get a banana by wrting 2 after the = sign. If you want to discuss or even criticize big bang, please learn some basic science. Because seriously, you can't just throw up a bunch of words without even knowing the meaning of them. ask your daddy for your banana anyway.
Is it just me or does this guy sounds like Christopher Walkins doing his Bruce Dickenson's "more cowbell" bit? By the way, The thinking atheist rocks!
He said he started to have doubts because they wouldn't allow blacks to become priests. Now WHY don't others have doubts when women aren't allowed to become priests in almost all major religions? *facepalm*
@Portocala15 Because most social norms and moral are subjective. It's not that easy to arrive to the right conclusion when everyone around you points to a different one. Even when people, whose rights or interests you are trying to protect think that you are wrong.
@Glad1kun Indoctrination is not subjective, imo. And I know it's not easy, but I was pointing out that this guy had the brains to see the stupidity of his religion and to get out of it. He did it on his own, even though he had been indoctrinated at a young age. So I'm wondering why others don't do the same. I'm not expecting everyone to suddenly realise religion (especially the abrahamic kind) is evil, but at least a decent percentage of the population.
I left the church a couple months back. I was born and raised in the church. My entire family was devastated when I had my name removed from the church because now they are being punished for my "bad" behavior. My parents have cried and cried over losing me because when they die and go to Heaven I won't be with them. I am no longer a part of their Mormon family so God will make it that they forget me in Heaven. My parents think they have lost me forever thanks to the mormon church.
@starrcrossed1988 That is though. not only for the person leaving but also for the family. In there head they believe you will be going to hell for leaving. It sucks to know that your family feels that way. They want to see their love one with them in heaven. I think a lot of ex-christians can relate..
That is some loving god they believe in. Break up the family, send you to hell or outer darkness so your family doesn't see or talk to you for all eternity.
@misterclownface Actually we don't believe in breaking up the family and sending the nonbelievers to hell. God is a loving God and a God of justice, he will send a person where that person will be the most happy. I am a member of the church and proud of it. However I also have three siblings who are no longer active. We still speak to them very often, love them and they are still great people. We do not reject people for their religious beliefs.
@KettlerThe Okay, I will give you a real life scenario and using you and I as an example.
If I was literally your brother and I left the LDS church and asked my name to be removed from LDS records what would happen?
Well according to Mormon doctrine I would go to outer darkness for denying the holy spirit and you would go to the Celestial Kingdom for being a good little Mormon borg.
So tell me how is that not breaking up the family?
Most Mormons know it's bullshit and they just go along with it so they don't lose their families. I feel sorry for the kids born into it. The indoctrination of the children is real and actual child abuse.
@HostileNegotiator ----- There is an oufit known as the New Order Mormons who are people stuck in the culture but know the doctrine is BS. I feel for them because they can't leave or they will lose all their existing family relationships.
"...He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.
We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world." THE LIVING CHRIST
@chicaylds Wow. You can quote a book, good for you. It still doesn't change the fact that the Mormon church is nothing more then the record of a sucessful con-job that has lasted into the next century.
the Internet, the biggest meme to ever hit the world taking down stupid ideas one at a time if the internet existed when hitler was alive he would have been trolled to death
When I told the Jehovahs Witnesses I was an atheist, I was no longer allowed to talk with my grandparents who I was extremely close with. It was very heartbreaking for both of us :(
@thebiggestfgfan ... whaaaaat? So, you're atheist, and because of that, Jehovah's Witnesses are keeping you from your grandparents? That sounds suspiciously illegal...
thank you stan, i left a different high control organization and definitely share your sentiment, for me it was difficult to leave but it was impossible to stay
You know how people like Dawkins and Sam Harris say that when you mentally grow up *healthily*, you normally shed all your irrational beliefs such as in Santa and the tooth fairy and such? Well, I wound up starting to shed my belief in God much the same way that I did my belief in Santa, even at the same age and time and thru the same mechanism.
I am sooo glad to see others breaking free from this ridiculous dogma. I am just glad I was able to explore my doubt and reject the idea of religion by age 17.
"People think I'm a criminal, a horrible person, for waging ideological war against absorbant faiths such as Christianity, Catholicism, Mormonism... what people don't think to understand is, co-existing with these groups without being assimilated is a war in itself: harassment, accusations, prosecution. I'm not the bad guy for fight this war, I'm just one of the few that sees it as the war it is: one that MUST be fought." ~Diary of Modern Clan Mercenaries General Contractor 2011
I live next to a Mormon temple and a Mormon church. Most Mormons are actually very nice people, without any ill intentions. But the institution itself is glitchy, to say the least.
i remember hearing someone say "there is no god" when i was young and my instant thought was "...theres a choice of beleaving and not beleaving?" that was like life smacking me in the face and waking me up from my zombie state of mind
@49wrap thats only ok if it replaces it with positive community and encouraging intellectual and self improvement. (I'd pray to god for this but im atheist, lol)
I am so sick of ppl downin my church like that! WE ARE NOT BAD PPL WE ARE GOOD PPL AND NOT A CULT AND THE 10% INCOME IS CALLED TITHING! LOOK IT UP!! WE DON'T FORCE PPL TO DO ANYTHING! YOU HAVE FREE AGENCY! ITS NOT LIKE WERE GONNA SHOOT YOU IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE!
If the church works for you then indulge yourself. However, if you insist on peddling it door to door the least you can do is be honest about its problems up front. Just be glad the church rates 1st Amendment protection because if it was a consumer good it would likely be bankrupt from litigation. You don't force people to do anything?!? Can you get a Temple recommend WITHOUT paying a full tithing now?
His story sound remarkably similar to my own. If anybody is interested in my personal journey into and exiting the mormon church, I would be happy to respond to a personal message. I am also highly knowledgable on the subject, so if anybody has questions, I am very willing to give non-biased answers and allow you to decide for youself.
THE REASON WHY MORMONS R MORMONS IS THEY R CHICKENS. THEY GET CONTROLLED BY PPL TELLING THEM IF THEY DON'T DO THIS OR THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY A PRICE. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS NAUGHTY WHILE I WAS LITTLE, MUM USED TO SAY : YOU SEE THAT MAN THERE, HE'S A PLAIN-CLOTHED POLICEMAN. THANK FUCKING GOD I'M GROWN UP NOW!
Its like arguing with an Oceania IngSoc outer party member......ENJ exemplifies the Orwellian term "CRIMESTOP" beautifully. I know, I'm being kind.:-)
@BaurakAle7Joseph F. Smith and Charles Penrose 1912: “There is no revelation, ancient or modern, neither is there any authoritative statement by any of the authorities of the Church… [in support of the idea] that the Negroes are those who were neutral in heaven at the time of the great conflict or war, which resulted in the casting out of Lucifer and those who were led by him.” (As quoted in Neither White Nor Black, Bush and Mauss, Signature Books, pg. 86)
@BaurakAle7 1912: LDS First Presidency Again Denies the “Neutral in Heaven” Idea
Just as Brigham Young denied it, Joseph F. Smith and Charles Penrose deny this theory in a First Presidency letter written to M. Knudson on January 13, 1912.
I will give the defenders of the Faith this; I have known several very successful LDS church members, physicians, attorneys, politicians. For every one of the success stories however, there is at least one failure (I'm being kind-it is likely three or four to ever one success). I mean deadbeat dads, abusive spouses, derelict financial managers who borrow and lose the money of other members. To be fair, all groups have their losers and the LDS are not exempt from having theirs.
well,you mentioned many times you couldn't have answers,the truth is:as human beings all of we always have questions,and our knowledge has a limit because we are humans,if you own knowledge is your scale,you wont see more that is in front of your eyes,that's why the faith is the first principle of the gospel of JesusChrist,you must exercise faith and just before that you will see more,there's no other way.I always have doubts but with study and prayer I found answers,but exercising faith first.
@TheEriyad Like I said in the first paragraph in my linked story, if religion (and there by extension, faith) works for you then indulge yourself. I encountered many things for which faith failed miserably, the ban on extending priesthood to black men for example. I have found evidence and reason work much better for me.
@Route66Kid Hi,well faith is in an nutshell: Believe JesusChrist is the savior of the world,nothing more,nothing less,so faith cannot fail by itself,I think you don't understand exactly what faith is,please be more specific,and faith the point is:it does not works for me,it works for anyone who search for the truth and is willing to live in it.As I said,God does not uses proofs,if so,there's no faith then but perfect knowledge,and that's not the porpoise of the Gospel of JesusChrist,regards
@TheEriyad ...I have found that faith is a lot like luck....it tends to shine more on those who put in the best effort. All the same, faith and religion are merely tools to help the soul nurture a sense of inner peace. If they work for you then wonderful, be glad. If they don't then find something that does. Peace.
@mjhallfs All anti-Mormons like you try to represent Mormons as uneducated and unsuccessful as the reason they believe in the LDS faith. The facts prove this anti-mormon theory wrong.
@mjhallfs Mitt Romney graduated from BYU as the valedictorian with a degree in English. Romney then went on to get two simultaneous degrees in law and MBA from Harvard and graduated in the top 5% of his classes as a Baker Scholar.
@mjhallfs BOM on broadway written by anti-Mormon Jews from atheist Hollywood. The LDS church is the most successful per capita of any religion in the USA as stated by the PBS Frontline documentary. Wrong, the rest of the world is not educated! BYU is in the top 10 of students who go on to get Ph.D.s (NORC). BYU is also in the top 10 of students that go to medical, dental, and law school. BYU, accounting school is in the top 3 of the world. I also have computer science degree from Rutgers.
@mjhallfs The coward that wrote this reply just deleted her account and that speaks volumes about the bitter sneak thief that wrote it. She is probably under a rock somewhere weeping and gnashing her teeth alongside that bitter atheist Dawkins whot says the same thing about every religion and especially the true religion. This months Newsweek admits that Mormons as a group are highly educated and successful and I'm a typical Mormon.
@EscapeNewJersey ..."This months Newsweek admits that Mormons as a group are highly educated and successful".....That may be true to a certain extent in the USA, Canada, and Europe, but how many college educated converts are being dunked in Latin America, Africa and the Phillippines? My last encounter with tracting mishes told a different story. The senior had been out 22 months and had 0 dunks and the junior had been out 14 months and had dunked a whopping 2 converts.
@EscapeNewJersey...I think you must have gotten it ass backwards. I went inactive in the church after a year in part because of the ban on extending black me the priesthood. In case you are not old enough to remember, all worthy males could not hold the priesthood until the black ban was lifted in June 1978 by Spencer W. Kimball. It is amazing what kind of religion you can get when the IRS considers revoking your tax exempt status because you meet the criteria of a social club.
“In 1843, 1,200 Methodist ministers owned 1,500 slaves, and 25,000 members owned 208,000 slaves…the Methodist Church as a whole remained silent and neutral on the issue of slavery.” (Slavery and Religion in America: A time line 1440 – 1866)
1843: New Methodist Splinter Group Forms Over Slavery
Members of the Methodist Episcopal Church leave to form the Wesleyan Methodist Church in America. The split is caused primarily by the slavery issue. The church had reneged on an earlier decision to forbid members to own slaves.
In 1844 the issue of slavery divides the General conference of the Methodist Church into a northern and a southern branch. You can read about it in this off site article: Methodists and Slavery.
The American Baptist Missionary Union, (now the American Baptist Convention) split over slavery and the Southern Baptist Convention is formed. It remains a separate convention to this day
1861: Presbyterian Church Splits Over Slavery Issue
The Presbyterian Church in the United States of America splits and the Presbyterian Church in the Confederate States is formed in the south. They later rename themselves the Presbyterian Church in the United States.
1866: Catholic Church Responds to Thirteenth Amendment
Response says slavery is not contrary to the natural and divine law. “Slavery itself, considered as such in its essential nature, is not at all contrary to the natural and divine law, and there can be several just titles of slavery and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons..."
1873: Pope Pius IX Prays that God Remove the Curse of Ham.
Pope Pius IX is concerned about the “wretched Ethiopians in Central Africa.” He prays that “Almighty God may at length remove the curse of Cham [Ham] from their hearts.” God’s curse on Ham is that the Canaanite people would be forever enslaved.(The Raccolta: Or, Collection of Prayers and Good Works, Published by order of His Holiness, Pope Pius IX. Maryland: Woodstock College, 1878, pp. 413-415.)
1995 Southern Baptists Apologize for their Racist Past.On June 20, 1995, the Southern Baptist Convention adopted a resolution apologizing for their racist roots and their past defenses of slavery. The SBC was founded in 1845 because the main body of Baptists wouldn’t appoint missionaries who were slaveholders
1998: James Landrith denied admission to Bob Jones University
Landrith was denied admission because he was married to an African American woman. A letter from the university explained that “God has separated people for His own purpose” and that the university “is opposed to intermarriage of the races because it breaks down the barriers God has established.” [Stephen R. Haynes, Noah's Curse (Oxford University Press, 2002), 3-4.]
1842: Joseph Smith Writes in His Personal Journal that Slaves Should be Set Free
He writes that the slaves owned by Mormons should be brought “into a free country and set …free– Educate them and give them equal rights.” [30 Dec. 1842 Joseph Smith Journal as quoted in Neither White Nor Black, Bush and Mauss (Signature Books, 1984), p. 62]
Blacks have souls (an item that others didn’t necessarily believe) and that they are a product of their environment. Given an equal environment they would be on the same level as whites.
I'm a mormon, feel really sorry for this Stan man, not about his losing faith, but about his Bishop refusing to reply to his letters. Some people get that calling and think they're the new God or something. Good luck to him and I hope he leads a good life. His Bishop was hopefully released from his calling for refusing a man's God-given free will to leave.
IHaveNoNumber 23 hours ago
somehow i read diary of an ex-moron... that wouldn't be too much out of context would it?
lukacho5 6 days ago
@lukacho5 you are an idiot! This man is telling his personal story and you dog him that way.....wake up and be real....Are you active LDS or just a teenager?
KyaniDave 5 days ago
@KyaniDave I think you're missing something about lukacho5's comment... lukacho5's dogging Mormonism, not this guy.
TimtheGreatBludDemon 4 days ago
10% of your income? oh, please, im waiting on a religious person to explain how this one works. what, was it for god? the church? 10%...
danieldvs100 6 days ago
"Give us 10% of your income, so we can build opulent buildings to preach against materialism in."
Johnny6feet 1 week ago
10% of your income?? And he did think they were tricking him from the very begining?
CoyoteMao 1 week ago
Wow my dad is also an ex navy CRNA atheist. 0_o. His mom was religious, but his surrogate father figure was an atheist so different life story.
SephieRothe 1 week ago
I just want everyone watching this movie to know that they are loved. If not by anyone else, then by me, but not in a creepy way of course. In a more respectful and friendly type way. Everyone on this earth can be important to someone, and I just want you to know that you are important to me.... I hope you have a remarkably serendipitous day. Just remember (and think on this) "optimism wins even when optimism loses" ~i1Schmidty
i1Schmidty 2 weeks ago
@i1Schmidty Except if optimism is a horse. Then if optimism loses optimism is glue.
BuggerOffBuddy 1 week ago in playlist Videos
I wouldnt call the use of reason an apostasy, the process of a thinking being striving to know the truth.
JeremiahLawrenceTV 2 weeks ago
in a huge world of stupid religions....Mormonism has to be King Stupid
funcpl2741054 3 weeks ago
@funcpl2741054 It's up there, but you forget scientology, urantia, nation of Islam, just to name a few really fucktard contenders....
moopism 2 weeks ago
@moopism And Shintoism, don't forget that one.
Qsdd0 1 week ago
@Qsdd0 True, but Shintoism is neither modern nor homegrown americana, like the examples I gave earlier. Ancient religions may indeed be truly fucktardious, but at least they have the strength of many generations of tradition that give them weight.
moopism 1 week ago
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BigJonBone 2 weeks ago in playlist Videos
10% income, really?
SoRusted 3 weeks ago
Thanks for posting this video.
dcarrera01 3 weeks ago
OMG! Add an "a" to his name and it reads "Satan"!!!! Don't listen to him, he's EVIL!!! LOL at the ridiculous assumptions of the religious.
Platibus666 1 month ago
@Platibus666 no this is clearly future stan marsh
tuseroni 3 weeks ago
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HHRoblox 1 month ago
@HHRoblox Did you ever think about your question before posting?
GameFrosts 1 month ago
@hostyle0 until im old enough to clearly explain why? but im 17 and also i should tell u my moms not an understanding type of person
averageaccount666 1 month ago
@averageaccount666 Don't live your life the way other people want you to. It only leads to misery.
Utmoon 3 weeks ago
Glad to see someone else get out, we share a similar journey even if not the same faith.
hostyle0 1 month ago
OMG look what the mormons did to his face!!!
2002lees 1 month ago
One of the basics of mormonism is charity. "The Pure Love of Christ"
If we can't love our neighbor... then what can we?
I WILL never reject my neighbor. I WILL always show compassion. I WILL strive to hold my own, and another, until they can hold themselves. I WILL serve an LDS mission when I'm 19, and I hope that anyone one who believes this video will drop off of YouTube for a minute, and go to a local church/branch of LDS members, and ask them for a chance to talk with the missionaries.
i1Schmidty 1 month ago
@i1Schmidty cool and I hope you take the time to look around and find the facts about your faith before you waste anymore of your life on what is so obviously fiction.
hostyle0 1 month ago
@i1Schmidty Try telling your brethren that your now an atheist, and see how many of your friends will never speak to you again.
neverfearchrisishere 4 weeks ago
I am Mormon I go to church every Sunday hold the priesthood and believe everything that Mormons stand for. For everyone who has left the church come back and I guarantee that you will be loved and cared for by all the members of the church. Do it for yourselves please
lpain77 1 month ago
@lpain77 : you really believe in such nonsense?
memully 1 month ago
@lpain77 Mormons do love & will love only Mormons or potential Mormons. Mormons cannot stand people who have been Mormons & now C clearly that it is a lie. If a person is LDS they should look at page 41 of their "Pearl of Great Price" & C how Joseph Smith identified 2 very obvious feminine pictures figures 2 & 4 as men. Do some research on the egyptian godesses Isis & Maat 2 learn the proper identities of these two pictures. Figure 1 is Osiris. Read Philipians 2:5-11 & Isaiah 43:10,11.
1stcorinthians1vrs18 1 month ago
Religion had its run let science pave the way for the future.
I see Religion as a money making scam. Think about it, you hear your pastor or priest or whatever on Sunday and he's teaching you about the word of God and when it ends, you put a decent amount of money in the collector's baskets. If you think logically it's a scam, taking people's money, when I'm sure the priest or whatever knows half the things aren't true or logical himself. You could do the same by reading the bible yourself.
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@christyr3898 Not only that but if the priest, if not the whole church community really cared and believed in the word of God, they wouldn't ask for money. Religion is way to divert from the truth, Evolution. It's a way of giving reason for things people don't have the answers themselves for ~hence God. The Greek gods are an example of this, Cupid is the reason for love, Zeus is the reason for thunderstorms and so on. And the fact people believe everything the Bible tells them is beyond me.
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i go to mormon church but im an atheist i tried to tell my mom but she still forces me to go fml -_-
averageaccount666 1 month ago
@averageaccount666 I feel ya, my folks forced my to go to JW church when I was younger, just keep looking around at things that interest you like that hot girl in the front row until you are old enough to clearly explain why you dont believe and maybe your mum will see there is reason behind what you say and neither of you will have to go anymore :)
hostyle0 1 month ago
This story is an awsome story. It is great so see that more people are becoming skeptics.
Campineiroamericano 1 month ago
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SonicTheRainboom 2 months ago
Religion: It's all about control and money. It's days are numbered - at least one can hope. Unfortunately humans are almost instinctively superstitious and half are stupid, ignorant, or both.
worktosser 2 months ago
@worktosser
It is days are numbered? You mean ITS days are numbered, not IT'S
MuscleDaddyCMH 1 month ago
@MuscleDaddyCMH Whew, that was close. If not for you a small child in Bangladesh may have died. Grammar is serious business people.
zappafile 1 month ago
thank you for help thwart this evil cult that is about seduce us into the white house.
DionAFields 2 months ago
My friend wasn't allowed to enter a mormon church for her brother's wedding because she's an atheist. Kind of ridiculous, isn't it?
XViCi0uSX 2 months ago
@TheThinkingAtheist /watch?v=Jd-RKWYTXI8&feature=related Terrible to see people caught up in a false religion like mormonism and then try and figure out the truth in all the lies. Trust in Jesus, for only His blood takes away all sin. The Bible is the only truth, not books like the book of mormon
vikakond 2 months ago
@vikakond
Terrible to see people caught up in a false religions like oh all of them.
Fortunatly I was not born with sin so I have no problem, I can't or won't support rape, slavery or a tyranicle dictatorship. Particularly from a saviour that is harder to prove exsisted than spaceships from other planets.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 I see.. well everyone will face death at any point in their life and its hard to recall if we have done anything in our lives that will matter in our afterlife. We are all born with sin, whether you recognize it or not. If we didn't have sin, we wouldn't have a corrupt world like we have today. Jesus came specifically for that purpose, to take away sin and give eternal life to those who follow Him and His Word (Bible). It's that simple.
vikakond 2 months ago
@vikakond
Sorry i do not share your delusions, nor after reading the bible would I want to.
From the bible I would be suspicious this Devil Chap set up monotheisms as a joke.
Still it is all man-made myth, fairytales and superstition. Nothing gives me any evidence or reason to accept any of the God hypothesis available today.
Prehaps you should read and seek the truth, with eyes open you may be surprised.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09
An hypothesis is a statement about how a phenomenon works which makes a prediction about the phenomenon and is invalidated if that phenomenon does not react as predicted.
There is no God hypothesis. It's a God conjecture.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@rkyeun
Yes I see you point and conjecture is fitting but hypothesis can also be defined as a conjecture as inconclusive or incomplete evidence but there is no evidence.
I like hypothesis as in a Scientific Hypothesis which can be refuted and fail.
Which religion has done in buckets. You don't even have to go outside the bible to utterly lay waste to the claims made. They are only a tissue of lies based on pseudoscience, pseudohistory and pseudoarguments. Just wish thinking.
Cheers
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09
> but hypothesis can also be defined as a conjecture
Yes, words can be used incorrectly, but that doesn't mean they should be.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@rkyeun
The more I check the more I am satisfied it is correct.
Taking the definition to be.
Conjecture - Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence.
While Infer is - a process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true. or reasoning from factual knowledge or evidence.
Then I would argue conjecture is incorrect in this case.
Theists dont have evidence, factual knowledge, reason and logic are abandoned and conclusions absurd.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
@rkyeun
I returned to the start. Hypothesis statement about how a phenomenon works.
God is presented by theists as what is an Hyupothesis. They often tell us how he works or does not, what poweres he has, endless secret and mysterious revelations f purpose, methos and functions. So I really do think Hypothesis fits and it has certainly being debunked and failed.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
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@VideoAudioDisco09 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline." Proverbs 1:7
vikakond 2 months ago
@vikakond
> We are all born with sin, whether you recognize it or not.
I declare myself to be right, regardless of if I am or not!
Good job there. Very convincing.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@rkyeun "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline." Proverbs 1:7
vikakond 2 months ago
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@vikakond
> The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
If you disagree with my imaginary friend, you're a bad stupid person and also wrong.
Yeah, same thing. You're not making yourself look better there.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@vikakond
No you don't see you have religius blinkers on. There is no serious evidence for an after life. None for the monotheastic theologiocal invention.
So what you do in life matters very much. It is not an empty wait for death.
WE no you want to believe you were born with sin gilty of a crime you did not commit.
I do not have sin. Would we have corruption YES it is human nature. What we do to better our world or do rightly and fairly in our lives is what counts.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
@vikakond
Get over it dude.
READ THE BIBLE.
What can be gleaned is that he was executed as a comon criminal and did not come back. TIP: He is not coming he is dead and gone just like all the other messiahs of his era.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
Glad he lefthe LBS Cult.
Difficult when it has been so much a part of your life in so many areas. Many of the activities are fun an you make good friends.
Sad that it is all based upon man-made myth, fairytales and superstition.
All religions are myth.
robertgift 3 months ago
I also came across to know about this church. I never understood why there's a second bible if the regular holy bible clearly states that it's the truth.
munequababy 4 months ago
@munequababy
There are more than just 2. Many variations in the texts are not accidental, there has been an effort to striaten out some of the BS and difficulties.
Even a few years back the Anglican Sinod discussed a rewrite to tidy up the bible.
Ironically there should be only one as within the Bible it states, he who changes so much as one word and teaches others to do the same is condemmed forever.
Look at the number of denominations some 30 plus.
It a joke.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
I feel so sorry for people who are forced into the Mormon church and have doubts but are afraid to voice them. I've been there, it sucks.
No joke. Being an atheist raised Mormon, living under a Mormon roof, isn't easy.
LeaveLikeTheSane 4 months ago
alot of mormons i've met we're just plain rude and mad. i tell them about evolution and atheism they get piss i have this mormon friend who is a troll. and mormons are just plain werid people.
Wolfboy2012 4 months ago
@Wolfboy2012 I would agree. As an ex-mormon myself, I found them all to be complete hypocrites. Not to mention the laughable beliefs... they have spiritual underwear, no joke.
LeaveLikeTheSane 4 months ago
@Wolfboy2012 You sound very rude and mad. You call your "friend" a troll. Thats a pretty weird way to act towards a friend. I would say having you as a friend; your friend doesn't need any enemies.
gotyourtongue 4 months ago
@Wolfboy2012 Well, actually there are plenty of members of the church who believe in evolution. However that is not the point, the point is that we need to respect other people's beliefs. Refusing to respect others and categorizing them with generalities like, "bad" or "weird" does not lead to any positive result. In fact such tactics are often used to get people to repress or attack another group. Look at the Nazis in World War 2. Please do not make the same mistake.
KettlerThe 2 months ago
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@KettlerThe
Well, actually there are plenty of members of the church who believe in evolution.
Good to see reality can not always just be ignored.
Respect other people's beliefs, why. I do not respect the Klu Klux Klan, Facists, The Man Boy Love group, Peadophiles and many more. Respect has to be earned just as the Religious have earned due contempt, not for who they are or any good they do but for the ridiculous beliefs and superstitions of ancient peoples they cling to as truth.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
nurse and an atheist in an army
that man has balls of steel
niinja2 4 months ago
@niinja2 lol
Dolciximma 4 months ago
Mormon religion...
How did that even become a religion?
DomChLand 4 months ago
@DomChLand This is the same with any religion, it was probably cavemen thought that natural disasters (Exp.volcanoes, earthquakes) they thought a powerful being was angry at them.
GREENxxOGRE 4 months ago
@DomChLand If you are serious and sincerely want to know all you have to do is read The Book of Mormon from cover to cover and you will know how it became a religion. Google: Request a free copy of The Book of Mormon. You will find an online "form". Fill it out and one will be delivered to your door by two missionaries. If that makes you uncomfortable chances are you know someone who is Mormon and they'll usually have a paperback copy you can have or barrow.
gotyourtongue 4 months ago
I've been looking at the comments below saying the word evil alot. And if your atheist, it means you believe we were created somehow scientificly. I think that everything was so precise in the big bang. That we arrived as cells. Thus begins evoloution. Something like that. And we were put here for no reason. There is no such thing as evil. That is just societiea interperitation.
Ziperzap 4 months ago
@Ziperzap you know if I teach a monkey to calculate 1+1=2, he doesn't understand what it means, but rather, he just knows that he will get a banana by wrting 2 after the = sign. If you want to discuss or even criticize big bang, please learn some basic science. Because seriously, you can't just throw up a bunch of words without even knowing the meaning of them. ask your daddy for your banana anyway.
omggggggggify 4 months ago
Is it just me or does this guy sounds like Christopher Walkins doing his Bruce Dickenson's "more cowbell" bit? By the way, The thinking atheist rocks!
picure 5 months ago
Im not an atheist, but organized religion enslaving people in guilt and fear is bullshit
vmorgun 5 months ago
Well done! Thank you.
eutahbear1952 5 months ago
He said he started to have doubts because they wouldn't allow blacks to become priests. Now WHY don't others have doubts when women aren't allowed to become priests in almost all major religions? *facepalm*
Portocala15 5 months ago
@Portocala15 I totally agree!!!
HelloCaille 5 months ago
@Portocala15 Because most social norms and moral are subjective. It's not that easy to arrive to the right conclusion when everyone around you points to a different one. Even when people, whose rights or interests you are trying to protect think that you are wrong.
Child indoctrination is evil.
Glad1kun 5 months ago in playlist Videos from TheThinkingAtheist
@Glad1kun Indoctrination is not subjective, imo. And I know it's not easy, but I was pointing out that this guy had the brains to see the stupidity of his religion and to get out of it. He did it on his own, even though he had been indoctrinated at a young age. So I'm wondering why others don't do the same. I'm not expecting everyone to suddenly realise religion (especially the abrahamic kind) is evil, but at least a decent percentage of the population.
Portocala15 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you read Mormon as moron
williamjpiano 5 months ago
@williamjpiano I read the title and I thought it was "Mormom". Moron + Mom. lol.
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BlackSabbathRockR19 5 months ago
I left the church a couple months back. I was born and raised in the church. My entire family was devastated when I had my name removed from the church because now they are being punished for my "bad" behavior. My parents have cried and cried over losing me because when they die and go to Heaven I won't be with them. I am no longer a part of their Mormon family so God will make it that they forget me in Heaven. My parents think they have lost me forever thanks to the mormon church.
starrcrossed1988 5 months ago
@starrcrossed1988 That is though. not only for the person leaving but also for the family. In there head they believe you will be going to hell for leaving. It sucks to know that your family feels that way. They want to see their love one with them in heaven. I think a lot of ex-christians can relate..
ericaj58 4 months ago
@starrcrossed1988
That is some loving god they believe in. Break up the family, send you to hell or outer darkness so your family doesn't see or talk to you for all eternity.
misterclownface 3 months ago
@misterclownface Actually we don't believe in breaking up the family and sending the nonbelievers to hell. God is a loving God and a God of justice, he will send a person where that person will be the most happy. I am a member of the church and proud of it. However I also have three siblings who are no longer active. We still speak to them very often, love them and they are still great people. We do not reject people for their religious beliefs.
KettlerThe 2 months ago
@KettlerThe Okay, I will give you a real life scenario and using you and I as an example.
If I was literally your brother and I left the LDS church and asked my name to be removed from LDS records what would happen?
Well according to Mormon doctrine I would go to outer darkness for denying the holy spirit and you would go to the Celestial Kingdom for being a good little Mormon borg.
So tell me how is that not breaking up the family?
misterclownface 2 months ago
"remove all benefits of baptism"- I'd say thankful, kill two birds with one stone
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 5 months ago
That took guts Stan. Good job. I helps me out more than you will ever know.
splibb 5 months ago
Most Mormons know it's bullshit and they just go along with it so they don't lose their families. I feel sorry for the kids born into it. The indoctrination of the children is real and actual child abuse.
HostileNegotiator 5 months ago
@HostileNegotiator ----- There is an oufit known as the New Order Mormons who are people stuck in the culture but know the doctrine is BS. I feel for them because they can't leave or they will lose all their existing family relationships.
Route66Kid 5 months ago
Proud to be an ex-mormon!
domisthebomb09 5 months ago
"...He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.
We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world." THE LIVING CHRIST
THE TESTIMONY OF THE APOSTLES
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
chicaylds 5 months ago
@chicaylds Wow. You can quote a book, good for you. It still doesn't change the fact that the Mormon church is nothing more then the record of a sucessful con-job that has lasted into the next century.
lovesXtoXspoog 5 months ago
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chicaylds 5 months ago
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@lovesXtoXspoog It isn't a book........ It's a Proclamation ;)
chicaylds 5 months ago
I only left the mormon church late last year, if I didn't I'lled probably be preparing to go on a mission right now
LDG519 5 months ago
Sad--so sad. What we need most is a moment of science.
DavidNeff2011 5 months ago
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Mormons are sick twisted ignorant fucks with a diseased brain
northoforacle 5 months ago
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northoforacle 5 months ago
JW's are sick twisted ignorant fucks with a tiny brain
northoforacle 5 months ago
@northoforacle What the hell is a JW?
SGTSlashRazor 5 months ago
@SGTSlashRazor Jahovah's Witnesses?
idk
trvius 5 months ago in playlist More videos from TheThinkingAtheist
@northoforacle Thanks. But your picture scares the shit out of me.
SGTSlashRazor 5 months ago
the Internet, the biggest meme to ever hit the world taking down stupid ideas one at a time if the internet existed when hitler was alive he would have been trolled to death
TheHotsaucekiller 5 months ago
Jehovah's witnesses are evil motherfuckers
Obesedragons 6 months ago
When I told the Jehovahs Witnesses I was an atheist, I was no longer allowed to talk with my grandparents who I was extremely close with. It was very heartbreaking for both of us :(
thebiggestfgfan 6 months ago
@thebiggestfgfan ... whaaaaat? So, you're atheist, and because of that, Jehovah's Witnesses are keeping you from your grandparents? That sounds suspiciously illegal...
RyleyAshford 6 months ago
thank you stan, i left a different high control organization and definitely share your sentiment, for me it was difficult to leave but it was impossible to stay
junesweete 6 months ago
@UnityAgainatChaos
You know how people like Dawkins and Sam Harris say that when you mentally grow up *healthily*, you normally shed all your irrational beliefs such as in Santa and the tooth fairy and such? Well, I wound up starting to shed my belief in God much the same way that I did my belief in Santa, even at the same age and time and thru the same mechanism.
macgeek2004 6 months ago
I am sooo glad to see others breaking free from this ridiculous dogma. I am just glad I was able to explore my doubt and reject the idea of religion by age 17.
UnityAmongstChaos 6 months ago
This video is the story of my life
aliengrappler 6 months ago in playlist The Thinking Atheist
@aliengrappler
Mine too...
lnesland 6 months ago
Mormons, competing for crazy with jehovah's witnesses since the 1800s. I just wish the talking salamander was actual mormon doctrine though....
CapnHolic 6 months ago
@CapnHolic True. I still can't figure out which one is crazier
ToutCQJM 6 months ago
"People think I'm a criminal, a horrible person, for waging ideological war against absorbant faiths such as Christianity, Catholicism, Mormonism... what people don't think to understand is, co-existing with these groups without being assimilated is a war in itself: harassment, accusations, prosecution. I'm not the bad guy for fight this war, I'm just one of the few that sees it as the war it is: one that MUST be fought." ~Diary of Modern Clan Mercenaries General Contractor 2011
RyleyAshford 6 months ago
It's not the whole church (as in the whole people) that is bad or good, but the people within.
pspmafia 6 months ago
@pspmafia "The conviction of a nation comes upon not the land, but its people." In other words, YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
RyleyAshford 6 months ago
im prowd to be an exmormon
rcatstott 6 months ago
I live next to a Mormon temple and a Mormon church. Most Mormons are actually very nice people, without any ill intentions. But the institution itself is glitchy, to say the least.
piechocolate1 7 months ago
This is crack! LOL
I'm seriously addicted to this stories! Off to watch Magic Mormon Underwear. WTF?
Thanks, TTA!
christallh24 7 months ago
TheThinkingAtheist helped me bring my girl friend to become an atheist from being a nun, Thanks!
MegamaaaanBM 7 months ago
i remember hearing someone say "there is no god" when i was young and my instant thought was "...theres a choice of beleaving and not beleaving?" that was like life smacking me in the face and waking me up from my zombie state of mind
SgtUnicorn 7 months ago
The internet is awesome - it got me out of christianity
Geokeish 7 months ago
the internet will kill religion
49wrap 7 months ago
@49wrap : The Internet certainly has killed the growth of the LDS religion.
Route66Kid 7 months ago
@49wrap thats only ok if it replaces it with positive community and encouraging intellectual and self improvement. (I'd pray to god for this but im atheist, lol)
iAMtekey 7 months ago
its a great kult for dummies who dont think too hard or ask questions...total fucking nonsense,, mary poppins crap
1955porsche 7 months ago
I am so sick of ppl downin my church like that! WE ARE NOT BAD PPL WE ARE GOOD PPL AND NOT A CULT AND THE 10% INCOME IS CALLED TITHING! LOOK IT UP!! WE DON'T FORCE PPL TO DO ANYTHING! YOU HAVE FREE AGENCY! ITS NOT LIKE WERE GONNA SHOOT YOU IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE!
lovinthosemormons 7 months ago
@lovinthosemormons
If the church works for you then indulge yourself. However, if you insist on peddling it door to door the least you can do is be honest about its problems up front. Just be glad the church rates 1st Amendment protection because if it was a consumer good it would likely be bankrupt from litigation. You don't force people to do anything?!? Can you get a Temple recommend WITHOUT paying a full tithing now?
Route66Kid 7 months ago
@lovinthosemormons No 'downin' in this vid yo.
theclinger 6 months ago
what is your problem?!
saraLCsexy 7 months ago
His story sound remarkably similar to my own. If anybody is interested in my personal journey into and exiting the mormon church, I would be happy to respond to a personal message. I am also highly knowledgable on the subject, so if anybody has questions, I am very willing to give non-biased answers and allow you to decide for youself.
Ktlc003 7 months ago
i think you just cant endure to the end you have a lot of excuses,good luck man you know the price
stupidmango21 7 months ago
@stupidmango21
THE REASON WHY MORMONS R MORMONS IS THEY R CHICKENS. THEY GET CONTROLLED BY PPL TELLING THEM IF THEY DON'T DO THIS OR THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY A PRICE. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS NAUGHTY WHILE I WAS LITTLE, MUM USED TO SAY : YOU SEE THAT MAN THERE, HE'S A PLAIN-CLOTHED POLICEMAN. THANK FUCKING GOD I'M GROWN UP NOW!
chankwaichoi1 7 months ago
good morning sir
Butarazvan 8 months ago
@BaurakAle7 ....."Freudian slip, much?"..
Its like arguing with an Oceania IngSoc outer party member......ENJ exemplifies the Orwellian term "CRIMESTOP" beautifully. I know, I'm being kind.:-)
Route66Kid 8 months ago
@BaurakAle7Joseph F. Smith and Charles Penrose 1912: “There is no revelation, ancient or modern, neither is there any authoritative statement by any of the authorities of the Church… [in support of the idea] that the Negroes are those who were neutral in heaven at the time of the great conflict or war, which resulted in the casting out of Lucifer and those who were led by him.” (As quoted in Neither White Nor Black, Bush and Mauss, Signature Books, pg. 86)
EDUCATE YOURSELF!!
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@BaurakAle7 1912: LDS First Presidency Again Denies the “Neutral in Heaven” Idea
Just as Brigham Young denied it, Joseph F. Smith and Charles Penrose deny this theory in a First Presidency letter written to M. Knudson on January 13, 1912.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
I will give the defenders of the Faith this; I have known several very successful LDS church members, physicians, attorneys, politicians. For every one of the success stories however, there is at least one failure (I'm being kind-it is likely three or four to ever one success). I mean deadbeat dads, abusive spouses, derelict financial managers who borrow and lose the money of other members. To be fair, all groups have their losers and the LDS are not exempt from having theirs.
Route66Kid 8 months ago
well,you mentioned many times you couldn't have answers,the truth is:as human beings all of we always have questions,and our knowledge has a limit because we are humans,if you own knowledge is your scale,you wont see more that is in front of your eyes,that's why the faith is the first principle of the gospel of JesusChrist,you must exercise faith and just before that you will see more,there's no other way.I always have doubts but with study and prayer I found answers,but exercising faith first.
TheEriyad 8 months ago
@TheEriyad Like I said in the first paragraph in my linked story, if religion (and there by extension, faith) works for you then indulge yourself. I encountered many things for which faith failed miserably, the ban on extending priesthood to black men for example. I have found evidence and reason work much better for me.
Route66Kid 8 months ago
@Route66Kid Hi,well faith is in an nutshell: Believe JesusChrist is the savior of the world,nothing more,nothing less,so faith cannot fail by itself,I think you don't understand exactly what faith is,please be more specific,and faith the point is:it does not works for me,it works for anyone who search for the truth and is willing to live in it.As I said,God does not uses proofs,if so,there's no faith then but perfect knowledge,and that's not the porpoise of the Gospel of JesusChrist,regards
TheEriyad 8 months ago
@TheEriyad ...I have found that faith is a lot like luck....it tends to shine more on those who put in the best effort. All the same, faith and religion are merely tools to help the soul nurture a sense of inner peace. If they work for you then wonderful, be glad. If they don't then find something that does. Peace.
Route66Kid 8 months ago
@mjhallfs All anti-Mormons like you try to represent Mormons as uneducated and unsuccessful as the reason they believe in the LDS faith. The facts prove this anti-mormon theory wrong.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@mjhallfs Mitt Romney graduated from BYU as the valedictorian with a degree in English. Romney then went on to get two simultaneous degrees in law and MBA from Harvard and graduated in the top 5% of his classes as a Baker Scholar.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@mjhallfs BOM on broadway written by anti-Mormon Jews from atheist Hollywood. The LDS church is the most successful per capita of any religion in the USA as stated by the PBS Frontline documentary. Wrong, the rest of the world is not educated! BYU is in the top 10 of students who go on to get Ph.D.s (NORC). BYU is also in the top 10 of students that go to medical, dental, and law school. BYU, accounting school is in the top 3 of the world. I also have computer science degree from Rutgers.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@mjhallfs The coward that wrote this reply just deleted her account and that speaks volumes about the bitter sneak thief that wrote it. She is probably under a rock somewhere weeping and gnashing her teeth alongside that bitter atheist Dawkins whot says the same thing about every religion and especially the true religion. This months Newsweek admits that Mormons as a group are highly educated and successful and I'm a typical Mormon.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey ..."This months Newsweek admits that Mormons as a group are highly educated and successful".....That may be true to a certain extent in the USA, Canada, and Europe, but how many college educated converts are being dunked in Latin America, Africa and the Phillippines? My last encounter with tracting mishes told a different story. The senior had been out 22 months and had 0 dunks and the junior had been out 14 months and had dunked a whopping 2 converts.
Route66Kid 8 months ago
@Route66Kid Well, sounds like you are a racist in addition to an anti-Mormon - that usually goes hand in hand. You can say that about any religion.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey...I think you must have gotten it ass backwards. I went inactive in the church after a year in part because of the ban on extending black me the priesthood. In case you are not old enough to remember, all worthy males could not hold the priesthood until the black ban was lifted in June 1978 by Spencer W. Kimball. It is amazing what kind of religion you can get when the IRS considers revoking your tax exempt status because you meet the criteria of a social club.
Route66Kid 8 months ago
@Route66Kid I think you are the one that has mainstream Christian church and Bible doctrine ass backward! Let me begin to correctly educate you.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@Route66Kid
1843: Methodist Ministers are Slaveholders
“In 1843, 1,200 Methodist ministers owned 1,500 slaves, and 25,000 members owned 208,000 slaves…the Methodist Church as a whole remained silent and neutral on the issue of slavery.” (Slavery and Religion in America: A time line 1440 – 1866)
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@Route66Kid
1843: New Methodist Splinter Group Forms Over Slavery
Members of the Methodist Episcopal Church leave to form the Wesleyan Methodist Church in America. The split is caused primarily by the slavery issue. The church had reneged on an earlier decision to forbid members to own slaves.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
@Route66Kid
1844: Methodist Church Splits Over Slavery Issue
In 1844 the issue of slavery divides the General conference of the Methodist Church into a northern and a southern branch. You can read about it in this off site article: Methodists and Slavery.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
1848: Baptists Split over Slavery
The American Baptist Missionary Union, (now the American Baptist Convention) split over slavery and the Southern Baptist Convention is formed. It remains a separate convention to this day
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
1861: Presbyterian Church Splits Over Slavery Issue
The Presbyterian Church in the United States of America splits and the Presbyterian Church in the Confederate States is formed in the south. They later rename themselves the Presbyterian Church in the United States.
EscapeNewJersey 8 months ago
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1866: Catholic Church Responds to Thirteenth Amendment
Response says slavery is not contrary to the natural and divine law. “Slavery itself, considered as such in its essential nature, is not at all contrary to the natural and divine law, and there can be several just titles of slavery and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons..."
(Instruction 20, June 1866)
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1873: Pope Pius IX Prays that God Remove the Curse of Ham.
Pope Pius IX is concerned about the “wretched Ethiopians in Central Africa.” He prays that “Almighty God may at length remove the curse of Cham [Ham] from their hearts.” God’s curse on Ham is that the Canaanite people would be forever enslaved.(The Raccolta: Or, Collection of Prayers and Good Works, Published by order of His Holiness, Pope Pius IX. Maryland: Woodstock College, 1878, pp. 413-415.)
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1995 Southern Baptists Apologize for their Racist Past.On June 20, 1995, the Southern Baptist Convention adopted a resolution apologizing for their racist roots and their past defenses of slavery. The SBC was founded in 1845 because the main body of Baptists wouldn’t appoint missionaries who were slaveholders
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1996 Southern Baptists Denounce a Church for Current Racism
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1998: James Landrith denied admission to Bob Jones University
Landrith was denied admission because he was married to an African American woman. A letter from the university explained that “God has separated people for His own purpose” and that the university “is opposed to intermarriage of the races because it breaks down the barriers God has established.” [Stephen R. Haynes, Noah's Curse (Oxford University Press, 2002), 3-4.]
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1842: Joseph Smith Writes in His Personal Journal that Slaves Should be Set Free
He writes that the slaves owned by Mormons should be brought “into a free country and set …free– Educate them and give them equal rights.” [30 Dec. 1842 Joseph Smith Journal as quoted in Neither White Nor Black, Bush and Mauss (Signature Books, 1984), p. 62]
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1842: Smith Writes His Famous Letter about Slavery
“It makes my blood boil.” In speaking of slavery, Smith writes this emotional letter expressing how he feels about slavery.
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1843: Joseph Smith Makes Statements about Blacks
Blacks have souls (an item that others didn’t necessarily believe) and that they are a product of their environment. Given an equal environment they would be on the same level as whites.
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