Cox's view of a start

[therossifier]

i reckon maybe you could say something like 'stay flat' or 'tall' rather than just counting the strokes? thats just me though

[tecshtarcs]

When you say.. at 1:24-- > 25 to 16.... what does that mean?

[EinarSunde]

good cox!

[flopydropy127]

rush the slide much?

[the64]

@flopydropy127 it is a start...

[michiganmoocow]

Eww, mirror tandem setup

[NAXE5]

How is the camera over the water on starbord side most of the time?

[osucrew983]

Haha, I actually called some numbers off and almost dropped the camera a few times. Good stuff though.

You tube "ROWING "INCHES"" for the best rowing video

[osucrew983]

Pry = first stroke to get the boat moving (like pushing a heavy car, start slow)

Pick = second/third strokes are not full slide, picking up in rythem and pressure

Lengthen = nearly a full stroke with just under full power

Full = Game time, Full pressure, full rating, full slide.

Stroke "pauses" he's a little short causing an early finish.. but a heck of a rower.

[osucrew983]

This is a Hudson with wide white gunwales (gunnels). they fold over the top and things look wider than they are.

[the64]

@osucrew983

What happened to this boat, it's no longer rowed by us

[osucrew983]

I am the Coxswain in this video.  I normally call a great start, but this was our first attempt at a "punch" so I pulled out my camera and called the strokes to let the shell know where they were at. (It is Ohio State University Mens Crew Club).

Punch was a 20 start followed by a settle with a "punch" at a higher rating to suprise/take seats on other colleges at ECAC in Mass.

Go bucks. -Severs

[atleastwerehere]

is it me or does the boat seem HUGE from the inside? I never had that feeling myself^^

[Freechips1]

HAI STROKE

[megaman1025]

Imagine the hear rate changes

[0Ojoost14O0]

lol nice boat just took a few bathtubs and made a rowing boot?

[ymechaie]

damn it i wish i didnt quit rowing last year, this is going to be a BITCH to get back into

[Techotron]

wow they move way slower with the stroke rating than my team does, yet theyre like 5x faster

[endeavourthelimits]

What sort of start is this? Is like they are starting to row the full bench right from the beginning.

[terry31127]

rowing is the most underrated sport EVER

[ledjovi54]

timing looked pretty good

[SolidSherman]

the stroke pauses at the release at the end this bugs me

[onlyafreak]

i wanna go training now

[SolidSherman]

i am a coxswain myself and you arent supposed to lie to your crew!

[MysteriouslyMichele]

@SolidSherman I lie all the time, but then I tell them I'm lying. "We're almost at the marina! Well, not really, I'm lying, but I can see it! Keep working!"

[SolidSherman]

@MysteriouslyMichele well i guess i do that too but its like fake lying

[gearsofwar0706]

@SolidSherman im a coxswain and sometimes u gotta lie if ur riding up on a rival crew tell them ur far enough behind them that u can catch them but they gotta work even if ur at their bow ball. i blow by the other crews that way

[iwillavengeyou]

wonder what those words mean

[rockwarlock]

@iwillavengeyou  There changing stroke rates every 15 strokes

[Frarlee]

that is one good cox



[TeIec]

that is one hell of a big boat... You could fill it with hot soapy water and have a little soak.

[rayah346]

Oh I recognise that tone.

And that boat has terrible lean. :/ No one's reaching for the catch by leaning out... or is that just the angle?

[angrywinds]

power 10...oh how i hated hearing the coxs annoying voice say shit like that

[basketballgabc]

great cox and yeah that is a pretty long start

[manofpopsicle516]

What crew is this?

[mbw12194]

that's a long ass practice start!

[decave]

I rowed stroke in high school...i wish my boat followed that well.

[MLG299]

i am a coxwain and we say half,half ,three quarter,build it up, then full

[dubiremo]

43!!!!

[freshselect27]

whats a starboard

[AW391]

their rating is really fast

[whatstheprob1932]

3/4 1/2 1/2 3/4 4/4

[Foyad2]

41 bring it up?

This "punch" thing seems kind of silly, you've already burned through your "7-10 free strokes" and you'r asking them to bring up the rate AFTER the shift?! That doesn't make sense either it's a 500m race or your crews gunna die halfway through...

[WiggaMachiavelli]

Whole crew is missing their catches, and Americans make funny calls. Are those shoes that the cox has, out of interest?

[chazkez07]

whadda ya mean missing their catches? i don't see anything. stroke might be hunching over to far but it sounds like everyone is in sync. maybe not 100% flawless but when they feather it sounds close enough.

[WiggaMachiavelli]

@chazkez07

Driving before the catch, is what I meant. Pardon if I wasn't clear enough.

[chazkez07]

ok i see ya. gotcha bro. what do you think about they're oar depth too? from my understanding you have to pull the oar basically in a straight line. the oar stays the same height in the water, basically trying to submerge the blade itself and only a slight bit of the oar shaft. these guys look like they're kinda digging and the motion on the drive isn't a straight pull. its more of a slight oval motion.

[WiggaMachiavelli]

@chazkez07

Depth isn't too bad during the drive, but some consistency would be nice. From my understanding, the ideal stroke is shaped like a half-arch (because of the feather at the finish). If you have the crew members going in at different depths, or the depths changing throughout the stroke, it can throw the balance off, which directly slows the boat, but also twists the course, which slows it even more.

[chazkez07]

hmm. well, what i normally do is drive the oar blade in a consistently level just below the water line and when i feather its basically just pulling the oar straight up and out and the flicking of the oar handle to feather gives me another last push in the water. then its another straight and level line above the water back up to the catch for another drive. that sound good? thanks for answer these questions. i'm stroke in the varsity 8+ and 4+ shells so i have to set the example. haha.

[JammyDodger2012]

They are missing their catches because instead of placing the blade in the water before before driving the legs, they are putting it in after the drive has been initiated. As a result they miss about a half a metre of water, and lose a lot of power. Half a metre of water on every stroke say.. over 2km, makes quite a big difference.

[chazkez07]

thanks for that tip. I'm gonna be at the occaquan sprints next weekend in fairfax. i'll be sure to get this down tomorrow at practice.

[FIREandSOUL]

@WiggaMachiavelli

Out of curiosity, where are you from? And what calls do your coxswains make? I never thought about it being different in other English speaking countries (which I assume you're in since you seem fluent).

[WiggaMachiavelli]

@FIREandSOUL

Australia. We're started with "row" rather than "go"... If we're doing a start, the cox will call stroke lengths ("three-quarter, half, three-quarter, full") and then count down for the push (usually "20 hard, 20... 15... 10... 5, 4, 3, 2, 1") and then call for us to "lengthen out" or row "long and strong", which means to drop the rating without losing any pressure. Still, every crew has their own variations. Also, Australian rowing is less competitive than in America or Europe.

[thalachyboy]

@FIREandSOUL I'm from Australia too and our coxwain would say:

"three quarter, half, three quarter, wind it, wind it, wind it, full! Second start on this one, get up! go! up to 50! drive! 10 on the legs!"

And don't listen to WiggaMachiavelli, it is just as competitive in Australia. At least amongst Sydney schoolboys and Universities. The Head of the River is absolutely nuts.

[L0ngLiveMetallica]

@thalachyboy im from australia too :D

And im in north queensland and i can tell you, its just as competitive here too, infact i have a regatta tomorrow, im racing a 1x,2x,4+,4x,8+ :D Will be a fun day but is probs gonna hurt :P

[thalachyboy]

@L0ngLiveMetallica Ah I miss rowing... I'll be straight back into it after the HSC! :D

[aw462]

@Platypusegg - it is probably just a bow rigged boat so everything is on the opposite side to what you might expect.

[REEFLeafer91]

nice "punch" and good shift, great vid

[hottdog2007]

what do you mean punch?

[REEFLeafer91]

its their move they made after the start

[cardmagician72]

the cox only looks on bow side!

[Platypusegg]

Is the camera inverted or is stroke man rowing bow side?

[nechiken]

@Platypusegg

no, it's rigged differently, so stroke's rowing starboard

[thesmartpod]

Very cool video. Intense.

You and your viewers may be interested in the smart pod, a unique video mount that attaches anywhere, maybe on the end of your shell. Could make for a great video angle. Please check it out.

[WestEtnaMafia]

pretty good boat ratio- wack calls though. we took 5th at neira's last year

[GayForJC]

my legs feel like theyre burning from watching htis.

[BrooksieLad95]

that boat looks pretty wide

[Schubz3000]

hey, "schub" is my nickname.. weird.

[doomhurring]

does he say " Schub" at 0:18?

[colourfulbuttons]

i think it's probably 'shift'

he says that several times during the piece and it's when he wants them to change the rate

[nexisras]

shift...he says shift

[jaymaccool]

shift. as in shift the rate down.

[mbw12194]

he says "shift"

[mrko90]

the boat is starboard rigged

[bods93]

wow nice shift at the end there. wish my boat could do that

[Edzo2580]

nice

[archierules45]

the oars are the wrong way ! what the hell

[crewgirl123]

i have always had a port stroke and this year i have a starboard stroke big adjustment. i was told not to count all the way down ad i dont you need to talk to your crew and motivate them even in practice

[holyangem0n]

starboard stroke? thats col

[MarcoPolo729]

Try motivating your crew more. Only count on like Start and 20/ Shift 10. When your in your settle piece don't count, but that's where you should motivate, let your crew know where you are in your piece/race, and also give them a heads up on stroke rate. If you have a stroke coach let them know their splits also.

Nice job overall!

[rehreh222]

starboard stroke eh?

[whyonearthdoyoucare]

what boat are you in??

[T3ns0r006]

Not that great... - He counts too much.

[filmings]

dude whos the coxswain... almost as good as me. haha. no hes really good.

[thiesbeast]

nice coxswain

[drogs23]

woah this cox is awesum. mine wouldnt kno a straight line if it hit him in the face lol

[juggsgotya88]

are those spoons or am i seeing it wrong??

[Leviance]

you are seeing it wrong. wait until the end of the video (when it fades slightly grey) and you'll see they are clearly hatchets.

[jezzyrulz]

wish we had him lol

[nellings6]

I start coxing in the spring, I just hope I dont forget what to say

[Dapker111]

rowings gaaaaaaay

[2girls1account]

probably not a good thing to say on a rowing video that basically only rowers watch...

[whiteli07]

wow, they were pretty good,

i'm becoming a fill in cox for two months and i have to cox in the biggest school race of the year, help.

any advice!!?????

[geeNteefilms]

make sure you dont crash thats a good one, and make sure you dont push the rowers to hard to often

[BellaProductionsUK]

OK, Are you in a Bow Loader (you lie down facing forward)

or

stern loader (facing forward with rowers in front of you)

and what distance and boat are you in??? contact me, i'm a cox. trust me!

[trobeed]

don't do to many power 10's it ends up not working in the end

[whiteli07]

thank for the advice :P

[styn3s]

Hmm, make sure i call rates all the time and make sure u give response time.

i.e. ok let do _____ in 2 strokes... in 1... go.

Apart frm that its experience, but good luck

[bax0001]

thats some good rowing

[sexyslippers]

Yeah hell what is up with starboard isn't that like a sailing term or something?

[lafattack1234]

in america it's used in both sailing and rowing.

[willevans99s]

To be quite honest rowing isn't an american sport. Just watch the olympics and the world championships, our boys always win. I live in Cambridge UK and it's almost a way of life here, and jesus that man at stroke is completely wiped. poor cox.

[Scotty519]

Rather harsh to criticize the whole boat from shaky cam footage.

[Chalk619]

Know what i hate? I hate coxes who count the strokes out loud, JUST LIKE THIS COX

drives me up the f(_)cking wall.

[christinaschonbach88]

I really wish I had a cox like that

[ersamia]

They're flip catching.

[ilovethebeatles359]

they started off real fast and slowed down even faster...

[christinaschonbach88]

Yes, because they´re, uhm, meant to.

[ETAG231189]

god that's an awefull boat!

[Trumple]

stroke is missing his catches :P

[hueymeister]

Great video. Two things:

1.) At first it seems as the stroke does not extend his legs all the way.

2.) Its a starbord stroked boat.

[michelleeeeexox]

whats wrong with a starboard rigged boat?

we have one at the club i row at.

[hueymeister]

Nothing, just stating.

[Chalk619]

STARBOARD?!!? you mean bow-rigged?

[fxstudios]

you shorten the first 4 or 5 strokes at the start to build up momentum with faster acceleration

[hueymeister]

Yeah, I have more experience with starts now - I understand.

[thepower3]

Haha, I hate the feeling of dropping the rating from the high 30's or something like that to 16... So hard when the rest of the crew keeps rushing! They did it well though!

[Guy3105]

Breeeath!

[mynameisdan575]

y arent they leaning towards the riggors? in a good boat the coxswain should be able to see straight through their heads as they lean

[VariousBerries]

That's a specific style. Not ever crew rows like that. Your boat needs to be rigged differently in order to get that extra reach. Neither style is necessarily better or worse; but they are two very different styles.

[imstricken534]

two different styles meaning 1. rowing well and 2. not rowing well?

[maveric401]

no. just different. if you watch the All for One video, you'll see that the Cal boat doesn't really lean out much at all.

in theory there might be a fastest style, buts it's pretty much impossible to measure.

[jakeylol]

that boat looks so wide and the sacsboards look so chunky im guessin its a very heavy boat

[harrituna]

wow

this guys sounds relaxed

I hope this isnt their normal start

[ETAG231189]

what kind of boat is that (don't tell me it's an 8+, cause i know)

i want to know where the boat was made

because it looks kind of crap

[wigganegg]

the coxing isnt that great in this video. my j15 cox is better!

[Seroth333]

for some reason coxing fours is more fun for me for some reason

[tehphoebus]

Man takes me back. I love the sound of everyone feathering together, it just brings a smile to my face.

[Sircian]

speed up the ole hands, stronger finish with the outside hand, bit of square bladew outside hand only will sort that, and control into frontstops, cause ye are slumping in to the catch... otherwise good.

[poppyfaceboy666]

why do people go onto youtube videos and correct their rowing technique? What are you a wannabe coach that couldnt get hired?

[LNOL]

@poppyfaceboy666 Haha that's great.

[emilyskates]

i thought u were only supposed to feather with your inside hand??

[douggers]

That's odd, never seen stroke on bow side. Is it common?

[bperry138n]

In the US stroke side is referred to as port and bow side is starboard. It's not uncommon to have a port stroked boat or a starboard stroked boat.

[therowingdave]

Traditionaly......

River and Coastal Boats are rigged on different sides. I row with Coalporters ARC in Southampton, which is a coastal club at heart, and the strokes blade is on his/her left hand side in all the coastal boats, and most of our river boats. somtimes the river boats are rigged 'correctly' (ie, stoke sweeping to the right hand side) but not often realy. It dosnt have much of an effect on the speed of the boat, its just what feels more comfortable for the actual crew readly.

[MUSICisLIKEalcahol]

wtf a crew that good rowing with spoons instead of choppers lol

[jospostduif]

look closer...

[MUSICisLIKEalcahol]

aahh i c it is choppers but its the same our novies start out with i recon these guys deserve propper crocers

[BlackDog17]

I feel like it would be really weird to stroke, and be staring at the cox the whole time.

I'll stick to 3 seat.

[loxta]

3= Gumboot seat :D

Have a nice day.

[eaglesfan37]

What crew are they, they seem really good.

[sgsrowing]

The counting is a bit amateurish, they arent that dumb the rowers

[udinnoob]

I dunno, I've known some rowers to get a little uptight when you don't call out all of the power strokes.

But you're right; a good cox would be giving extra advice on each stroke. I personally call the number of a stroke when the oars are going into the water and something else when the rowers are tapping down to keep rhythm as well as helping technique at the same time.

[oneworldfamily]

Nice calls from the cox. Stroke side digging a bit. Well rowed!

[LesterSL]

43 dat hole time. these guys r good. id luv 2 cox that boat but i rekon the cox in that wasnt shoutn at dem enough.

[RoyalScrutinizer]

Olympic class rowing that is... and coxing

[csylvester123]

if i was in that stroke seat i'd probably have to kick the coxie in the head...who counts every stroke of the race..give me a break

[vei1977]

he's telling him the stroke rate, not counting the strokes... idiot

[csylvester123]

the boat's not gonna be going too fast if they're rating a "ONE!....TWO!....THREE!....FOU­R!..." Idiot.

[vei1977]

did you ever row in your life?? at the start you actually count the strokes...idiot^2

[csylvester123]

i'm not going to waste my time arguing with you on how to move a boat the fastest-you'll clearly never know.

[vei1977]

that's why I was on a top 50 at the Head of the River, and got blades at the bumps in Cambridge... I know how to row, kid

[dmatthuse]

i raced csylvester once, he's shit

[daniel211092]

give me a break. the only people tht need help counting skrokes are retards

[stinkymonkeypoo]

rowing is such a strange sport. only in rowing does the entire crew look backwards with maybe one person looking forward and can just barely see ahead.

[jihadforcash]

waaaaaaaa im a better cox!!! lol idk im really bored right now and need to shower and go to bed

[pordyboy]

wow the strokes technique leaves alot to be desired. are they novice?

[skismet]

You have a good delegative voice, and I like some of the calls you have in there, but does your crew really appreciate all the counting? My crew would go crazy! It's whatever works for the crew. Nice video, good to see stuff from the coxes view. Keep up the good work

[sychobiznotch]

Dude, I love the counting. It gives each stroke a meaning. Or something. Reminds me that they all matter, even when I'm tired. ;)

but you're right, whatever works for the crew.

[HouseEverwoodLover]

wow the stroke seat is starboard

[gnarkillkicksass]

cool vid, how come squaring up so late?

[gotter57]

very cool -- man i miss having that kind of power, where you felt like if you drove and hung on the handle hard enough, you could snap the oar like a twig. don't ever get old, people!

[ted149]

Quinsigamond - I rowed there myself in '73. Good memories.

[chrisrtalbot]

the sound of feathering is the most beautiful sound in the world (unless of course it sounds like a drumroll)

[loxta]

Haha so true. Love it

[bretnally]

neet-I remember the days when I was a cox

[ocram10001]

osu though, right?

[adatri]

yes, 2006 ECAC 2V

[ocram10001]

Wait...thats on the scioto isnt it?

[adatri]

nope, lake quinsigamond