Benny didnt do rematches. I believe he lost this fight. But he was a very analytical fighter. If he had a rematch i feel he wouldve done better. I dont ever judge a fighter by one fight in his career. I truly believe he was ahead of his time and is one of the greats no doubt in my mind.
READ THIS! : Who raises the guys hands? LOOK! his own trainer! not the referee. The referee shows him to go away to his ringside and his trainer lifts his hands. It is clear that this match was stopped, probably because the guy friigin looked like he tried to strangle benny off the ropes! WAKE UP AND USE YOUR EYES!
@mygodiswithin i think you need to open your own eyes. benny supposedly had a clean 100% win ratio, but just consider the feasibility of that claim. there are apparently several other fights that he lost but which mysteriously never appeared on record. here you see benny getting completely dominated by the thai - urquidez is unaccustomed to the power, and his hands are slipping further and further down. his corner throws in the towel. and you know what? he refused a rematch. what more proof...
Benny The Jet fought Thai Boxers twice. The above match hardly a decisive win for the Thai boxer, he landed few more strikes in clinch so what. There has been talk too of dodgy practices by two Thais that fought Benny they came in lot heavier weight & were not disqualified for that, they forced Jet to wear bigger boxing gloves to reduce his punch impact. If Jet lost, hey he lost 2 contests big deal but you hear different things from reliable sources on the Jet vs Thais contests.
@CloudsBeyond rematch with Prayout was set on October 30, 1978 at the Budokan (Martial Arts Hall) as part of the five world championships card for the Shin-Kakutojutsu Organization. However, for unknown reasons, Urquidez canceled the fight on the day of the event
@CloudsBeyond I agree. Its as if something felt wrong from the very beginning of the fight. It was at the very least a draw in my opinoin. Weird fight though.
@troydragon No, it's not. At least American Kickboxing isn't, lol. But you have to respect a guy like Benny the Jet for doing so insanely well when he comes from a martial sport which has rules which don't allow you to be as god as Muay thai guys, and has a smaller, less competitive talent pool due to it never gaining much popularity (unlike Muay Thai). If he had been doing Muay Thai all along he would have been one of the greatest of all time.
@troydragon nigga is u fucking blind the thai guy was on the ropes the whole time. And the ref didnt raise his hand his trainer did he threw in the thowel
The Camera never lies its a machine, one fighter has his hand raised and one doesnt. You tell me who had their hand raised ? Its a shame that arguably the greatest kickboxer ever has so little in life that he must hide a loss due to his massive ego. If he was truly the greatest he would be humble and acknowledge this loss. It would make him even better. I am still a fan thanks for posting.
@hayleyandavril A rematch with Prayout was set on October 30, 1978 at the Budokan (Martial Arts Hall) as part of the five world championships card for the Shin-Kakutojutsu Organization. However, for unknown reasons, Urquidez canceled the fight on the day of the event
@hayleyandavril Yes Urquidez is truly a Great fighter but he was bettered by Prayout and also Billye Jackson which were both NOT counted on his record. I always thought the mark of a Champion is how the deal with defeat. Sweeping it under the rug never seemed to fit.
It was not a real fight, it was a demonstration match, DEMONSTRATION! And I was not see muai - thai fighter superiority! Maybe minimal... It was not honest.
@TheRanger866 Conveniently it's an exhibition when Benny loses. Yeah right. Given the star he was in the U.S. you think he would have agreed to lose like this in a demonstration to a fighter from a third-world country with a lot less money? His record would have been a lot worse had he fought half the opponents Ramon Dekkers fought. Maybe all his other fights were exhibitions too. Geez, come on, get some sense.
Ok.Anyway i like Benny Urquidez very much, i watched his fights on videotapes, for '90-'91.Is one of the best kickboxers ever stepped in the ring, no doubt.This match just shows that everybody can lose at one moment, under different circumstances.Then i have seen also the Don Wilson fights with the Thais, but meanwhile i have found them no more.
So what? In those days, it had been said that the difference between the reigning champ and top ten ranked contenders was slim. By the time of the fight, Prayout got rated No.4 in the Lumpini stadium rating.
...some Bruce's fans even speculated (hyllarious and childish) that it was an unofficial fight between Bruce and Dieselnoi (one of the greatest MT legend) with a draw, thing impossible to be real even for the simple fact that at that date (1970, when Bruce was in Thailand) Dieselnoi was 10 years old.
..souls as many fighters there were, considering from 3 kilos baby born to 90 years old old man).So they were much much much too busy to have time to care about some tentative to discredit MT.If Bruce wanted to prove something against MT the ONLY possibility was to go on Lumpini and to beat some of the good MT from there.He never done that, he never tried that.The rest are pure speculations and discussions.
..on google "thaiboxing Dan Inosanto interview" .Anyway, Bruce was very aware about MT and gave him as reference when he spoke even with persons from his entourage ( Jesse Glower for example). About this case (Benny vs MT fighter), there wasn't actually MT pure, Benny asked "no elbows". This Prayout was not a champion, but a lower ranked fighter.Some later a champion from Lumpini challenged Benny to a fight with free rules (free meaning full MT and Benny allowed to use throwing).This was..
hahaha, benny benny ur fucked up., muay thai ,the night mare of all it was even fake martial artist BLs night mare, thats why they made that big fuckin boss in thailand in order to diss muay thai, but in real life noone can beat muay thai ,
I think your comment regarding the movie The Big Boss is off the mark. While I am not a Bruce Lee fan, but from what I observed, there isn't a slight hint of putting muay thai down in the movie. It is true the Thais are the bad guys, but none of them used muay thai at all.
@legkicker01 the muay thai pro fighters did not used to play in the movies, and at that date MT was a pretty unknown style for Bruce.A bit later he started with Dan Innosanto to train MT but somehow like a fiddler, not directly in MT schools, but they have purchased tapes with fights and basic MT techniques and trained together.Later, after Bruce died, Dan Innosanto studied Muay Thai with Ajarn Chai and had only words of praise about.You can find his interview even if you tape directly...
@pornpan96 basically i dont thing that the thais cared too much about Bruce's move (to make the Big Boss in Thailand). At that date in Bangok there were about 350 000 pro MT fighters, fighting in the wildest fullcontact mode ever (for stand up fighting) even for today.Until 1980 all that we today name as "illegal" in MT was legal.Groin kicks, groin knees, groin punches, head butt, soccer kicks and so on were allowed.Let alone the non ring version, Muay Boran.Many city's dont count so many...
@pornpan96 Helio Gracie managed to demolish plenty of muay thai fighters. Get real its just an art ..a style of fighting...it does not make its practitioner INVINCIBLE..i've been training and fighting in muay thai for 17 years now..started here in the UK..i fight for the Bad Company gym..home of muay thai world champions such as Andy Howson...and others...and we are always told..muay thai..is not an undefeatable art...we are not invincible. Thai has its weaknesses as well as its strengths
@pornpan96 Ya ufc has tons of thai fighter champs. Like G.Sp wait. Shane Carwin. Wait no. Um Um I know frankie edgar wait hes not a thai fighter. Dumb shit thai fightings is the worst form of fighting to learn kicks in todays mma. U know why it depends on the fucking clicnh. Good luck clinching a free style wrestler.
@Malk64 Only one of em is champ. And even with anderson thaif fighting his BOXING normal boxing is his biggest strenght. That were his bob and weeve comes from, His punching power, His really fast foot movement all thats from boxing. And only one of them is a champ. Shogun uses The Clinch alot btw.
You're using hearsay. Do you know what hearsay means? You have not provided documented evidence. There are many close fights that people don't agree with. If anything what I saw was a frustrated thai fighter trying to push the Jet out of the ring by the throat. Where is the rest of this fight & why cant you produce it? Your video shows Benny taking it to this guy. He threw a few good knees and the end, thats about it. The blog you cited said the reff raised thai fighters hand but he didn't.
Well, this clip is the shortened version for the theatrical documentary. Obviously it doesn't show the entire 2-minute, 6-round fight. And no disrespect. Urquidez wasn't robbed at all, he was soundly defeated.
According to the Encyclopedia Benny the Jet remained undefeated with the exception of three controversial no contest. The fight were speaking of is one of them. It was officially a no contest. This is what the Japanese say. I'm sure the thai have a different story but officially it was a NC. It would have been nice if poster added that bit of info.
The only no-contest he had was his first fight against Onuki, in which Urquidez dislocated Onuki's shoulder with the illegal throw. This fight, along with the fight he lost to Billy Jackson, was never a no-contest. He was defeated, but managed to go the distance, and for that he was offered the rematch, but he didn't show up in the arena in the day of the fight. End of Story.
@legkicker01 Fair enough, take your data and contact the encyclopedia wikipedia. They will allow you to update article accurately with verifiable information. Its very easy the information is on their site. All you have to do is cite a verifiable source or sources. The rules in the early days of full contact K were very ambiguous. It seems you have your own personnel interpretation but I could be wrong. As I said before if you have the info then you can set the record straight. Good luck.
Listen, I am from Japan, and I knew those who actually watched the fight at the stadium in 1978. The fight was not the American full-contact rules. The fight was neither sactioned nor promoted by the WKA. As for the Billy Jackson fight, it had been reported by the American MA media for a while, and I personally watched the whole fight, and Jackson got the nod.
@legkicker01 I am from LA and I know those who saw his fight at the Olympic auditorium. This means nothing, in fact it just tells me that you're basing your opinion on hearsay. You refuse to admit that the fight was officially ruled a no contest. I provided source, you have provided nothing. If you know were video is then post it.
Who should I believe, an encyclopedia, or some young man off the internet? You have every opportunity to prove your case. Contact Wikipedia and set record straight.
Who ruled the fight as no-contest anyway? You don't provide any source. You just believe what's written in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Besides, I don't base my opinion on hearsay. The fight took place in Japan, and it was well reported by the media here.
@legkicker01 You sent me to a blog which anyone can write and even it agreed with me. It states these fights were ruled no contest. It also says that according to another source that may have not been the case, but does not identify the source, and doesn't change the fact it was ruled a NC. The Japanese article implies that the referee raised the tai's hand, but if you look closely, his trainer is raising fighters R hand & fighter is raising his own L hand while the refs R hand is at his side.
Just because you have no access to the real info does not make the fight no-contest. Just explain who ruled the fight as no-contest, and for what reason? His loss to Billye Jackson had been recognized as a legitimate loss by the American MA media for while, but all of sudden the loss was removed, and for strange reason it started to be listed as no-contest.
@legkicker01 Your own blog said those fights were ruled NC. I think your just hearing what you want to here. Now you're saying there is some kind of conspiracy.
Is this all the evidence you have? I have access to the real info and I have cited it. Your own source say's the same. If you're going to marginalize one of the greatest pioneers of the sport then you should have hard evidence instead of philosophical antidotes or hearsay and rumor.
Don't fool yourself. Wikipedia is not a real info. I do have the hard evidence. Besides you are the one who base your opinion on rumor or hearsay. Mr. Urquidez was indeed one of the great champions, but at the same time he is an outrageous liar. Go Texas and talk to those Allen Steen black belts. They will tell you Billye Jackson kicked his butt. Or why don't you come over here in Japan? I will bring you to the people who helped promoting his fight against the Thai.
@legkicker01 If you have hard evidence then set the record straight in the encyclopedias. You said to ask Mike Miles about his uncovering the truth, but Benny and Mike Miles are very close life long friends, in fact Miles interviewed the Jet on the fights we are speaking of. I'll send you article. Mark Twain said a rumor can travel half way around the world while the truth is barley getting out of bed and putting on its shoe's
The Mike Miles interview took place before he discovered the fact Urquidez lost to the Thai. Give me some time to translate the news articles for Wikipedia.
@legkicker01"The Mike Miles interview took place before he discovered the fact Urquidez lost to the Thai"
And is this based on someone you know also? I seems to me that I'm the only one who can cite sources. Even your sources don't deny what I have said. Sorry friend but your case is weak and seems you have taken this very personal which is another warning sign.
Nothing personal at all. The truth is that those us who grew up watching the sport in the 70s remember the fight. It was not some kind of underground no-sanctioned fight. And the fight was neither sanctioned nor promoted by the WKA. He and/or his representatives have no right to turn it into a no-contest. It is your reasoning which is weak. So far you have not explained who ruled it as a no-contest or how it was ruled as such.
@legkicker01 Your own source said it was a no contest the officials determined this.
I'm tired of repeating myself. Your just making accusations and trying to find what sticks. I old enough to remember many of these fights this os not foreign to me.
If you have evidence you have yet to produce it. Where is the evidence? Why haven't you even made a video containing all this evidence? Why don't you do that instead of using second hand hearsay? In the US we require more than just accusations.
Don't tell me bullshit like you actually watched this fight. Why don't you provide your evidence that explains who ruled the fight as a no-contest? Why in the world could the WKA rule it as a no-contest since it neither promoted nor sanctioned the fight?
@legkicker01 I didn't say I watched this fight. I said I remember many of these fights.
It was you that said "The truth is that those us who grew up watching the sport in the 70s remember the fight" You're only 36 now who is doing the bullshitting? You should have said toss of us who went from a baby to a toddler. That would have been more accurate. This is why I hate rumors and you can always tell rumors because they lack evidence. Someone say's something and everyone repeats it.
You are the one who is bullshitting. I originally trained in the Shidokan system, and I had a chance to talk to the founder, who was also the partner of mr. Kurosaki, the promoter of this fight. I have relatives who watched the fight in the arena. Besides, the fight was well reported by the MA press here. Unlike, the American MA media, kickboxing was covered greatly. Over here, especialy in 70s and 80s, just about every single bout was reported by the MA media.
@legkicker01 If the Japanese were so unimpressed by Benny then why did they make a cartoon after him in his honor? It was the Japanese who officiated. I think this is jealousy because asians don't do very well in the UFC even in the lower weight classes you don't have any asian champs in the UFC. Akiyama is good but still not a champ in the US. I have a lot of respect for the Bushido doctrine but I think you're belly aching. This is not very honorable.
@legkicker01 I didn't say I watched this fight. I said I remember many of these fights.
It was you that said "The truth is that those us who grew up watching the sport in the 70s remember the fight" You're only 36 now who is doing the bullshitting? You should have said those of us who went from a baby to a toddler. That would have been more accurate. This is why I hate rumors and you can always tell rumors because they lack evidence. Someone say's something and everyone repeats it.
@legkicker01 Your own source said it was a no contest the officials determined this.
I'm tired of repeating myself. Your just making accusations and trying to find what sticks. I'm old enough to remember many of these fights this is not foreign to me.
If you have evidence you have yet to produce it. Where is the evidence? Why haven't you even made a video containing all this evidence? Why don't you do that instead of using second hand hearsay? In the US we require more than just accusations.
@legkicker01 First you said there was a rematch with tai victor but that the Jet didn't show up in arena. Then you said Billie Jackson was the victor and there was a rematch but the Jet didn't show up in the arena. Which is it? Are you saying both is true? If so why cant you cite a source?
@legkicker01 Wiki cited more verifiable sources than you did. Who did the blogger work for? What are his credential as a sports journalist? There is an obscure name from Japan who is thanked but who is he? If you look at Wiki article I cited which is an official encyclopedia you will see the sources that were used including respected martial arts magazines among other sources.
Wikipedia can be edited anonymously. It cannot be trusted blindly. If the link I provided doesn't do much for you, why don't you contact someone like Mr. Mike Miles from Canada? Mr. Miles is a former champion himself, and now the trainer and historian of Thai boxing. He was one of the first to uncover the previously deleted losses of mr. Urquidez.
@benthemiester Sorry but..i fight in muay thai..im finding it hard to believe that your citing Wiki as a source of info..a site that can be freely edited by the worlds public at large. Thats not hard evidence. I dont know if Benny Urquidez lost this fight or not, im too young to know im only 29. I do find it hard to believe he beat a Lumpinee fighter. Muay Thai is generally regarded as THE PREMIER striking art..though were certainly not invincible.
@LCStreetPhotographer "Sorry but..i fight in muay thai..im finding it hard to believe that your citing Wiki as a source of info..a site that can be freely edited by the worlds public at large"
It can only be edited with verifiable sourced information. If paragraph is un sourced then it must say so. If you have a verifiable source and would like to set the record straight, then more power to you.
@benthemiester No sorry i have no verifiable sources. I know of Benny the Jet purely through my own involvemnt in combat sports but thats about it. I've never been a standard kickboxing practitioner or competitor, always conventional boxing and muay thai. I have tonnes of respect for the guy though however it turns out his career went, he was a great sportsman.
You should not say "the jet got robbed" bullshit since you do not watched the entire fight. But I agree that the editing sucks, even for theatrical release.
all these arguments are stupid , who cares where it came from, I only care where its going. it seems to be headed in the crappier with all this MMA stuff . traditional MA gets the shaft by the nay sayers who are to lazy to go and train. And yes i've trained in MT/BJJ but thats besides the point lol
YES! A true fighter should learn how to accept defeat. This video serves as proof. And since this happen long time ago definitely Master Benny already realized that the problem is not in his form of martial art he is using but to himself. A constant practise, study, research, etc are factors that should be considered no matter how victor you are. This is now history and we should be thankful to the pioneers! LET US UNITE IN THE MARTIAL ART WORLD.
The American kickboxing did not come from Kyokushinkai. It came from Joe Lewis, who studied shorin-ryu in Okinawa, and boxing under Sugar Ray Robinson. In Europe, only the Netherland had the strong Kyokushinkai roots.
@patfromlogan For sure i dont know who brought kickboxing to america but i know that one of the people was Bruce Lee though im not saying he invented it.
This video goes to show that Muay Thai and Kickboxing are NOT the same style. If you look at this fight though you can see how Kickboxing as a style was still pretty close to Karate (which it evolved from). Notice Benny's stance.
@Ljenkins9000 no sorry thats not true, kickboxing was designed to be a western sport version of Mai thai, it may look more similar to karate because they dont tend to use elbows, but it does derive from Mai thai not karate for example the way you are taght to kick is from the hip like mai thai as apose to karate which you flick your hip up and then straiten the leg.
"kickboxing was designed to be a western sport version of Mai thai"
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No it was not. It was first put together by karate guys. A bunch of point sparring karate guys like Benny the Jet, and most importantly, Joe Lewis, got together and decided to try and knock each other out instead of playing tag. Google the history of kickboxing. It evolved out of karate in the U.S.
I 'm wondering if that day in 1977 at LA ( the fight with Narongnoi), what would a result be if Narongnoi was allowed to use knees& elbows as full muaythai rules.
Now a day Benny him self taught his student how to use elbow and kneee, and he 's doing well too. Many full contact karatekas in those days couldn't go for a distance when they face thais but Benny did in both fights( Narongnoi, Prayoud).
it's a known fact that all of Urquidez's losses to Thai fighters were ruled as "no-contests". Why? Because everyone was and still is in denial he was sounded punished and viciously beaten.
@MikeUntstinks I was there watching his fights with the Thai fighters and he never was soundly punished or even close to viciously beaten. Some of the Thais did what they did best and Benny also beat on them. The thais did give him competitive fights at times but he has acknowledged that. The no-contest was a fair ruling because both sides felt they won.
@marccost1 That's obvious, but don't try arguing with the Sacred Thai White Trash Brigade. It's one of the craziest things ever to come out of the internet. It's as surreal as watching the birth of the KKK or something.
In 1978, Benny Urquidez meets Prayout Sittiboonlert, also practising Thai-Boxing. This WKA fight, in Japan, was an exhibition on 5 rounds, according to Benny Urquidez, without weigh-in. The decision was first given to Sittiboonlert. After, the result was changed to a No-Contest in 6 rounds. Another version mentions that it was a qualifying match to meet Fujiwara and that Sittiboonlert was declared the winner on points at the end of a real battle,
@caucazhin finaly! someone that knows bruce wasn't the "superhuman that could destroy mike tyson or any boxer fighter ever" that all these idiots say he is. thank you, you made my morning.
@thecrazyoftheinsane your very welcome...Bruces famous quote in ENTER THE DRAGON calling his art "the art of fighting without fighting" is an unintended perfect reflection of his JKD. And thats because he never fought anyone, worth mentioning anyway.How can someone claim theyre invincible if they never fight anyone, its absolutely riduculous.
I am a fan of Benny the Jet for quite a number of years. But the truth is the truth, Benny lost this fight. His kicks were ineffective, he had no idea how to defend against the knees in the clinch. No elbows were used by the Thai fighter. The Thai fighter in this video wasn't that good either. If the Thai fighter was the caliber of Ramon Dekker or Rob Kaman, Benny would have been killed. I mean literally killed. When it comes to upright fighting, true Muay Thai is deadly.
While I respect your opinion, I tell you,in case you do not know, that the Thai was then 5th rated in the Lumpini Stadium rating. Also, in addition to that fact, the competition in Thailand in those days were said to be lot tougher than when Dekkers and Kaman fought in 90s. Just a food for thought.
I'm pretty sure this bout was ended with no victor for either side, and the fight began again 3 months later? Benny the Jet won that one, I believe. He actually came to my dojang tonight! He taught a big group of us for about two hours( this is in Australia btw)
The Thai was the victor and he won via decision. And Urquidez did not win the rematch since he didn't show up in the arena. It is good for you to have the opportunity to train under him, but he lost this particular fight.
@legkicker01 Nobody is undefeatable everyone loses. The point is that he is the calibur of training and knowledge and technique he can pass down to you. Nobody is invincible no matter who they are weather they are one of the greats like Benny The Jet. or Bruce Lee, or Mas Oyama, Yip Man, Ed Parker, Dan Inosanto everyone started somewere and had a teacher who taught them
I have already understood what you tried to say. Yes, no one is unbeatable. But that's not what we are talking about here. The problem with Mr. Urquidez is that he has fooled people with his false record and account and mislead those who followed him. And even worse, there still have been many who want to live in the fantasy Mr. Urquidez created.
Maybe you are still new to MA. For decades, Mr. Urquidez has claimed he is undefeated in his professional career, and defeated the best both Japan and Thailand had to offer, which was totally untrue.
@legkicker01 I see that alot of people say he never lost a fight. thats very sad because i know that even Bruce Lee had people he had trouble with like Gene Lebell and i think Hawkins Cheun who was his sparring partner under Yip Man. Helio Gracie also has a lose or more to a judo man. Same with Rickson who Royce Gracie says is 10 times better then him. Then Royce Gracie i saw him lose to Matt Hughes but he never tapped out but he had no were to go
@legkicker01 I understand what your saying but Benny the Jet still has alot to offer people in the form of training. As for me i dont worship Benny the Jet. They say that Benny the jet brought kickboxing to america or invented it i think that Bruce Lee had as much to do with that as anyone
a fight is a fight and he lost the fight....i bet every now and then he recalls that day and feels the shame..but that's a personal shame...taking a loss always sucks...but hey, if that was him, cuz the video quality is so crappy so i use the word if, then he technically lost...who ever disputes that is being delusional..sanctioned or not, that's a fight that he lost if that was him in the vid.
Benny the Jet is the champ. All of you Muay Thai nut-huggers are a joke. Saying Benny couldn't fight Muay Thai is like saying Mike Tyson couldn't win a kick-in-the-balls contest. Who cares? Muay Thai is retarded. It's just kickboxing with none of the rules and none of the skill. Nowadays it's popular on Youtube with fat kids who can't kick as high as their belt, so they love the low kicks. But remember, this month's Muay Thai champion is next month's Bangkok rentboy who walks with a limp.
I strongly seggest you to go to Netherland and visit the Mejiro Gym, Dojo Chakuriki or other Thai boxing gyms there. You'll soon discover that it is you who is retarted, not the sport of muay thai.
What kind of name is leg kicker? That's like ankle biter, or bum scratcher. Oooh, I'm so impressed that you can kick as high as my leg. You can't even spell retarded right!
Seriously though, watching K-1 the other day I saw two chumps kicking each other's legs like a couple of little girls on the playground & I realized how lame this sport got after they allowed kicks below the belt. It made me miss the old days when kickboxing was called Full Contact Karate. Yes, Muay Thai is truly retarded.
So you're saying you've never heard of or seen the leg kicks of muay thai. If that's the case, then it's your problem. My user accout name is just a name. Don't fuss over it. You don't like muay thai. That's fine with me. I have no intention to convert you to the art. But there are two facts you cannot change. First, Mr.Urquidez did lose to the Thai. Second, he has manipulated and lied about his record including the loss he suffered to the Thai.
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Wrong again, bumsniffer01. This was an exhibition match, that's why it's not on his record. If it had been a sanctioned bout the Thai would have been disqualified for the multiple knee strikes in the clinch, which is against the rules in WKA kickboxing. This video was in Japan, not Thailand. They had rules in Japan.
Secondly, where do you get the idea I've never seen Muay Thai leg kicks? There's lots of them right here on Youtube, you idiot. I've seen them, I'm just not impressed by them.
I am from Japan and I know better than you. The fight wasn't an exhibition. It was sanctioned by the Shin-kakuto-jutsu organization for which Urquidez previously fought twice. The WKA had nothing to do with this bout. Besides, Urquidez fought under the ruleset which allowed the use of knee and clinch in his previous 4 fights in Japan. No excuse necessary. Urquidez lost the fight.
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You're from Japan? Gee, next you'll be telling me you were at this fight & you were Sittiboonlert's water boy. That would explain why you hate Benny the Jet, though. A lot of Japanese hate him because he was this brash American who came to Japan and beat all their best karate fighters at their own game.
Benny Urquidez says this fight was an exhibition match, the World Kickboxing Association (WKA) lists this fight as a "No Contest". Case closed. Benny The Jet Urquidez, undefeated karate champ.
The majority of Urquidez' Japanese opponents were non-karate fighters. The only exception, Naito was not championship caliber. Urquidez fought under the compromised ruleset which prohibited the use of elbow with the lmited clinch and knee. Urquidez' victories over here were not as sensational as some Westerners would like to believe since there were far more Japanese victors in the inter-style competitions those days.
To this day, I have not yet seen Mr.Urquidez in person. I do not have any vendetta whatsoever against him. The same for the majority of fight fans and officials here. The WKA has absolutely no right to declare the fight as no-contest, since the fight was neither sanctioned nor promoted by it. Stop masturbating to Jean Claude Van Damme's Kickboxer and grow up.
You have nothing personal against Benny Urquidez? Don't make me laugh, baglicker01. You troll the comments on almost every Benny the Jet video on Youtube. Your bitchy posts go back to a year ago. It's obvious you're obsessed with the man. It must keep you awake at night, knowing that this Gaijin came to Japan and easily defeated your country's best of the best. Even this fight he would have won on points (If the WKA didn't call it a no-contest) because kneeing in the clinch is a foul.
So far I have been the only one in YouTube who can explain the details of the fight in English. I have sent some magazine articles to those who asked me privately. They seemed quite satisfied with what I had to offer. Urquidez didn't fight the best Japan had to offer. As a matter of fact, he avoided to fight Fujiwara. There was no way Urquidez would've won the fight by point. And kneeing with clinch was LEGAL in the this fight. It was his decision to fight under those type of rule set.
Kneeing in the clinch is a foul? I think the entire Muay thai world just laughed their asses off. My god, it amazes me that there are still benny fans out there. They always said about him that he would fight anyone at any style. ha what a joke, the guy never fought with knees or elbows, If Prayout would´ve used his elbows, benny wouldn´t even have started the fight. What a real fighter he is. I´m sick of all these fake champions, that are so famous because they happen to be american
One more thing. Benny Urquidez was again soundly decisioned in 1981 by Billye Jackson of Texas. Jackson was the agressor and set the pace in the whole fight. Initially the loss was acknowledged by many, but for some unknown reason, the loss was removed and misteriously turned as a no-contest. Urquidez was a great champion indeed, but at the same time he is an outrageous liar.
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Wow, you just can't shut up about Benny the Jet, can you? I suppose you were at that fight too. How else could you know so much about a fight that happened almost 30 years ago, when the only video of it is a grainy 42 second clip in black & white?
The fight went seven rounds and at first Billy Jackson won by a split decision. The decision was controversial, and later changed to a no-contest. That happens sometimes, even K-1 reversed the decision on the Jerome LeBanner vs. Remy Bonjasky fight.
I have relatives who watched the fight live, so did some of my early MA instructors because the latter group used to work with the promoter of the fight, Mr. Kenji Kurosaki. As far as the Jackson fight, there was nothing controversial. The no-contest thing is bullshit. Urquidez's claimed the Jackson fight was an exhibition. It that were true, why was it turned to a no-contest. The fight was remotely similar to the LeBanner/Bonjasky fight. No comparison.
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So what you're saying is "I know a guy who told me he was there 30 years ago, that proves I'm right and the official record is wrong."
Yeah, whatever. Get over it, already. You sure have a hate-on for the "westerners", don't you? Why is that? Did you catch your wife in bed with your English language instructor?
My understanding of this fight does not solely depend on the comments of those who actually watched it. I told you via E-mail that I can send some articles if you want. But you've not yet answered. Are you scared to find out t he truth?
I'm not interested in what some hack once wrote in a magazine, the official World Kickboxing Association record is good enough for me.
Even if you count this and the Billy Jackson fight fight as losses Benny's pro record would be 56-2 (instead of 58-0) with an astounding 49 wins by knockout! That's still an amazing record. That's why I'll give the Jet the benefit of a doubt. And if you called him "an outrageous liar" to his face you'd be picking your teeth out of your tatami mat, baglicker01.
You'd better seriously study English since you don't understand the language. The fight was neither sanctioned nor promoted by the WKA. Therefore,
the WKA has absolutely NO right to dispute or change the outcome of the bout. But because of the record manipulations such as his, the WKA has no longer any credibility as a legitimate organization. I already mentioned he was indeed a great champion nontheless. Stop your hero-worshipping and grow up.
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Listen, baglicker01. Nobody cares what you think. No matter how much you cry and snivel on the internet it doesn't change a thing. Benny the Jet is still the undefeated kickboxing champion, and you're still just a sad little loser making stupid bitchy comments on Youtube. That's reality for you.
You've been on this crusade for over a year now, give it up. Get a life and find something else to do with your time. Try doing martial arts for real instead of just watching videos about it on Youtube.
I've been a long time practitioner of martial arts. Unlike you and others, I am never into all those stupid martial arts flicks which can give viewers unrealistic outlook on the arts. I have something which back up my claims while you have nothing.
@legkicker01 You're first 1.) Truth has got to hit him hard. A fighter that does not recover from a defeat is no longer a fighter especially someone who refused to show up like that for the rematch. Its like an installed fear. I can see Benny is very well respected but from this video he lost fair and square because of his inability to adapt to the Muay thai grapple and constant low kicks.
You are right. If muay thai is not his cup of tea, it is OK. But the problem is that he lied about his record and his career, and even worse gave the American kickboxing community the false sense of security.
Since the late 90s, some partisan muay thai supportes have used this clip without knowing the context of the fight to propagate how their art is superior, and how Urquidez quit in 2. The truth is that he went the distance and this clip was cut and edited for the sake of theatrical release. I've tried to set the record straight. No hate or animosity toward him. Besides, I've also tried to mention the fact Westerners like Don Wilson, Dale Cook defeated some Thai fighters in their careers.
In addition to your lack of knowledge of the particular fight, your outlook on the martial arts makes me think your comments are not trustworthy. I've felt like I've been talking to someone whose only martial arts experience has come from watching movies, or comic books.
What separates me the most from you is that I have something which back up my claims. On the other hand, you have nothing else to prove your points. I have given a chance to see yourself what I have to offer. But you keep declining. I don't know what makes you so scared of doing that.
I think Benny's fight with Yoshihisa Tagami is his most controversial. Referee Cecil Peoples had trained with Benny under the same karate teacher and one of the judges, Fred Royers (a highly respected Dutch kickboxer) had trained with Urquidez and was one of his friends. So the cards were stacked against Tagami's favor. If you see the fight, Tagami handily won.
I would also note that Benny was not the first American fighter to beat Japanese. Ray Elder won the Japanese Middleweight crown in 1971.
Urquidez didn't quit, but somehow managed to go distance with the Thai. Well, in a sense he "quit" because he didn't show up in the rematch in which he promised to avenge the loss.
I totally agree with shadyeskimo. Benny's head had gotten bigger than his outdated skills, he thought he could prove to the world that he is invincible and he could beat anyone anywhere in the world. It was a big mistake for him to go up against the Thai fighter.
Who cares if anyone trains under him, and talks to Benny, He got Killed in the Clinch, didnt know how to get out of it, or defend against it, so a clear loss! If you fight a Nak Muay and Cant clinch under MT rules, your going down!
Where is the poster of this clip anyway? Honestly, I am done debating this with you. If you are impressionable enough to be duped by this poorly edited and 30 yr old video, you are not worthy of any further debate.
My understanding of this fight does not solely depend on this poorly edited clip. I guess you are the one who is duped. The reality of international kickboxing scene is nothing like those Chuck Norris flicks, in which the arrogant American goes to oversea and teach the foreign barbarians some stupid lessons, or Jean Claude Van Damme's Kickboxer, or any similar movie. I guess Urquidez overly exaggerated exploits appeal to those who grew up watching the aforementioned types of movies.
Benny didnt do rematches. I believe he lost this fight. But he was a very analytical fighter. If he had a rematch i feel he wouldve done better. I dont ever judge a fighter by one fight in his career. I truly believe he was ahead of his time and is one of the greats no doubt in my mind.
palaciosphotography1 4 weeks ago
muay thai gotta love it!
legauchefrappe 4 months ago
READ THIS! : Who raises the guys hands? LOOK! his own trainer! not the referee. The referee shows him to go away to his ringside and his trainer lifts his hands. It is clear that this match was stopped, probably because the guy friigin looked like he tried to strangle benny off the ropes! WAKE UP AND USE YOUR EYES!
mygodiswithin 5 months ago 2
@mygodiswithin i think you need to open your own eyes. benny supposedly had a clean 100% win ratio, but just consider the feasibility of that claim. there are apparently several other fights that he lost but which mysteriously never appeared on record. here you see benny getting completely dominated by the thai - urquidez is unaccustomed to the power, and his hands are slipping further and further down. his corner throws in the towel. and you know what? he refused a rematch. what more proof...
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mygodiswithin 5 months ago
Benny The Jet fought Thai Boxers twice. The above match hardly a decisive win for the Thai boxer, he landed few more strikes in clinch so what. There has been talk too of dodgy practices by two Thais that fought Benny they came in lot heavier weight & were not disqualified for that, they forced Jet to wear bigger boxing gloves to reduce his punch impact. If Jet lost, hey he lost 2 contests big deal but you hear different things from reliable sources on the Jet vs Thais contests.
CloudsBeyond 5 months ago
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@CloudsBeyond rematch with Prayout was set on October 30, 1978 at the Budokan (Martial Arts Hall) as part of the five world championships card for the Shin-Kakutojutsu Organization. However, for unknown reasons, Urquidez canceled the fight on the day of the event
Freestyleartclub 5 months ago
@CloudsBeyond I agree. Its as if something felt wrong from the very beginning of the fight. It was at the very least a draw in my opinoin. Weird fight though.
JayPleezer304 2 months ago
Urquidokan Kickboxing vs Muay Thai Hurry throw in towel b4 a Jet get KTFO! -_-
mfuji02 7 months ago
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mfuji02 7 months ago
friendly match??
IpMan19 9 months ago
Gotta hate the knees in the clinch..... Kickboxing ain't no Muay Thai rofl :-)
troydragon 10 months ago 5
@troydragon No, it's not. At least American Kickboxing isn't, lol. But you have to respect a guy like Benny the Jet for doing so insanely well when he comes from a martial sport which has rules which don't allow you to be as god as Muay thai guys, and has a smaller, less competitive talent pool due to it never gaining much popularity (unlike Muay Thai). If he had been doing Muay Thai all along he would have been one of the greatest of all time.
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
@troydragon Good*
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
@troydragon nigga is u fucking blind the thai guy was on the ropes the whole time. And the ref didnt raise his hand his trainer did he threw in the thowel
TinyTitian 5 months ago
Please show the full fight.
yimmiytube 11 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=hkhE4IqV_Hs
yimmiytube 11 months ago
he was good in USA then but come out to the wotld,so so average
mahe me think of chuck norris ,don the dragon and many more.
Medias???
yimmiytube 11 months ago
The Thai fighter wasn't even that great. If Benny were to fight against K-1 legends today like Masato or Buakaw, he wouldn't stand a chance.
AznSupaStar14 1 year ago
@AznSupaStar14
You should not judge the Thai fighter just by watching this short clip. He was then rated 4th or 5th for the Lumpini Stadium ranking.
legkicker01 1 year ago
The Camera never lies its a machine, one fighter has his hand raised and one doesnt. You tell me who had their hand raised ? Its a shame that arguably the greatest kickboxer ever has so little in life that he must hide a loss due to his massive ego. If he was truly the greatest he would be humble and acknowledge this loss. It would make him even better. I am still a fan thanks for posting.
hayleyandavril 1 year ago 5
@hayleyandavril A rematch with Prayout was set on October 30, 1978 at the Budokan (Martial Arts Hall) as part of the five world championships card for the Shin-Kakutojutsu Organization. However, for unknown reasons, Urquidez canceled the fight on the day of the event
Freestyleartclub 5 months ago
@hayleyandavril Yes Urquidez is truly a Great fighter but he was bettered by Prayout and also Billye Jackson which were both NOT counted on his record. I always thought the mark of a Champion is how the deal with defeat. Sweeping it under the rug never seemed to fit.
TEXASFENDERBENDER 4 months ago
@hayleyandavril thai guy could clinch he couldnt use judo throws how do u think this fight would go if he used throws.
TinyTitian 4 months ago
It was not a real fight, it was a demonstration match, DEMONSTRATION! And I was not see muai - thai fighter superiority! Maybe minimal... It was not honest.
TheRanger866 1 year ago
@TheRanger866
It was a REAL fight. Forget those "exhibition", "no contest" stories.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 I don`t know... Exist different versions - TRUE or not... You can prove it?
TheRanger866 1 year ago
@TheRanger866
I edited the wikipedia a few weeks ago. I cited several Japanese sources.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@TheRanger866 Conveniently it's an exhibition when Benny loses. Yeah right. Given the star he was in the U.S. you think he would have agreed to lose like this in a demonstration to a fighter from a third-world country with a lot less money? His record would have been a lot worse had he fought half the opponents Ramon Dekkers fought. Maybe all his other fights were exhibitions too. Geez, come on, get some sense.
H8lowlives 1 year ago
Ok.Anyway i like Benny Urquidez very much, i watched his fights on videotapes, for '90-'91.Is one of the best kickboxers ever stepped in the ring, no doubt.This match just shows that everybody can lose at one moment, under different circumstances.Then i have seen also the Don Wilson fights with the Thais, but meanwhile i have found them no more.
vaggoner 1 year ago
i meant lower (not low) ranked meaning that wasn't quite a Lumpini champion or fighter of the year, he was ranked 5
vaggoner 1 year ago
@vaggoner
So what? In those days, it had been said that the difference between the reigning champ and top ten ranked contenders was slim. By the time of the fight, Prayout got rated No.4 in the Lumpini stadium rating.
legkicker01 1 year ago
...some Bruce's fans even speculated (hyllarious and childish) that it was an unofficial fight between Bruce and Dieselnoi (one of the greatest MT legend) with a draw, thing impossible to be real even for the simple fact that at that date (1970, when Bruce was in Thailand) Dieselnoi was 10 years old.
vaggoner 1 year ago
..souls as many fighters there were, considering from 3 kilos baby born to 90 years old old man).So they were much much much too busy to have time to care about some tentative to discredit MT.If Bruce wanted to prove something against MT the ONLY possibility was to go on Lumpini and to beat some of the good MT from there.He never done that, he never tried that.The rest are pure speculations and discussions.
vaggoner 1 year ago
...Poodpardnoi Worawoot. Initial Benny accepted but when he have seen Worawoot practicing, he decline the challenge.
vaggoner 1 year ago
..on google "thaiboxing Dan Inosanto interview" .Anyway, Bruce was very aware about MT and gave him as reference when he spoke even with persons from his entourage ( Jesse Glower for example). About this case (Benny vs MT fighter), there wasn't actually MT pure, Benny asked "no elbows". This Prayout was not a champion, but a lower ranked fighter.Some later a champion from Lumpini challenged Benny to a fight with free rules (free meaning full MT and Benny allowed to use throwing).This was..
vaggoner 1 year ago
@vaggoner
Prayout was not a lower ranked fighter. He had been a top rated fighter for years.
legkicker01 1 year ago
THERE ARE THOSE WHO WILL NEVER GIVE UP SANTA CLAUSE AND ACCEPT THE OBVIOUS TRUTHS .
PERPETUAL FANTASY LAND AND ARRESTED MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL PREVAILES.
THE VIDEO EVIDENCE WAS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO CONVINCE EVERY ONE??
STILL TODAY THE JET DOES NOT TEACH CLENCH TECHNIQUES AS PART OF HIS URQUIDO KAN SYSTEM!!
HEAR ME, NO CLENCH IS BENNY THE JET STYLE ..
NON OF THE JET CENTER FIGHTERS EVER DEVELOPED ANY THAI CLENCH
MOVES!!
JET= NO CLENCH FIGHTING !!!
FUSSYMUAYTHAI 1 year ago
@FUSSYMUAYTHAI
He does teach clinches. But I am not sure about "clench."
legkicker01 1 year ago
hahaha, benny benny ur fucked up., muay thai ,the night mare of all it was even fake martial artist BLs night mare, thats why they made that big fuckin boss in thailand in order to diss muay thai, but in real life noone can beat muay thai ,
pornpan96 1 year ago
@pornpan96
I think your comment regarding the movie The Big Boss is off the mark. While I am not a Bruce Lee fan, but from what I observed, there isn't a slight hint of putting muay thai down in the movie. It is true the Thais are the bad guys, but none of them used muay thai at all.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 the muay thai pro fighters did not used to play in the movies, and at that date MT was a pretty unknown style for Bruce.A bit later he started with Dan Innosanto to train MT but somehow like a fiddler, not directly in MT schools, but they have purchased tapes with fights and basic MT techniques and trained together.Later, after Bruce died, Dan Innosanto studied Muay Thai with Ajarn Chai and had only words of praise about.You can find his interview even if you tape directly...
vaggoner 1 year ago
@vaggoner
That's not what I am talking about.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@pornpan96 basically i dont thing that the thais cared too much about Bruce's move (to make the Big Boss in Thailand). At that date in Bangok there were about 350 000 pro MT fighters, fighting in the wildest fullcontact mode ever (for stand up fighting) even for today.Until 1980 all that we today name as "illegal" in MT was legal.Groin kicks, groin knees, groin punches, head butt, soccer kicks and so on were allowed.Let alone the non ring version, Muay Boran.Many city's dont count so many...
vaggoner 1 year ago
@pornpan96 Helio Gracie managed to demolish plenty of muay thai fighters. Get real its just an art ..a style of fighting...it does not make its practitioner INVINCIBLE..i've been training and fighting in muay thai for 17 years now..started here in the UK..i fight for the Bad Company gym..home of muay thai world champions such as Andy Howson...and others...and we are always told..muay thai..is not an undefeatable art...we are not invincible. Thai has its weaknesses as well as its strengths
LCStreetPhotographer 11 months ago 2
@pornpan96 Ya ufc has tons of thai fighter champs. Like G.Sp wait. Shane Carwin. Wait no. Um Um I know frankie edgar wait hes not a thai fighter. Dumb shit thai fightings is the worst form of fighting to learn kicks in todays mma. U know why it depends on the fucking clicnh. Good luck clinching a free style wrestler.
TinyTitian 5 months ago
@TinyTitian Anderson Silva? Shogun Rua? Jose Aldo? :)
Malk64 4 months ago
@Malk64 Only one of em is champ. And even with anderson thaif fighting his BOXING normal boxing is his biggest strenght. That were his bob and weeve comes from, His punching power, His really fast foot movement all thats from boxing. And only one of them is a champ. Shogun uses The Clinch alot btw.
TinyTitian 4 months ago
@Malk64 Both Anderson and Aldo are champs, and Rua just now lost his title.
So, yeah.
Are you seriously trying to disprove the efficiency of Muay Thai?
Malk64 4 months ago
You're using hearsay. Do you know what hearsay means? You have not provided documented evidence. There are many close fights that people don't agree with. If anything what I saw was a frustrated thai fighter trying to push the Jet out of the ring by the throat. Where is the rest of this fight & why cant you produce it? Your video shows Benny taking it to this guy. He threw a few good knees and the end, thats about it. The blog you cited said the reff raised thai fighters hand but he didn't.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
I have just finished editing the wiki for mr. Urquidez.
legkicker01 1 year ago
The thai fighter got some good hits at in the last minute but I think the Jet got robbed.
I was expecting to see the Jet defeated but I don't think this video shows that.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Well, this clip is the shortened version for the theatrical documentary. Obviously it doesn't show the entire 2-minute, 6-round fight. And no disrespect. Urquidez wasn't robbed at all, he was soundly defeated.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01
According to the Encyclopedia Benny the Jet remained undefeated with the exception of three controversial no contest. The fight were speaking of is one of them. It was officially a no contest. This is what the Japanese say. I'm sure the thai have a different story but officially it was a NC. It would have been nice if poster added that bit of info.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
The only no-contest he had was his first fight against Onuki, in which Urquidez dislocated Onuki's shoulder with the illegal throw. This fight, along with the fight he lost to Billy Jackson, was never a no-contest. He was defeated, but managed to go the distance, and for that he was offered the rematch, but he didn't show up in the arena in the day of the fight. End of Story.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 Fair enough, take your data and contact the encyclopedia wikipedia. They will allow you to update article accurately with verifiable information. Its very easy the information is on their site. All you have to do is cite a verifiable source or sources. The rules in the early days of full contact K were very ambiguous. It seems you have your own personnel interpretation but I could be wrong. As I said before if you have the info then you can set the record straight. Good luck.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Listen, I am from Japan, and I knew those who actually watched the fight at the stadium in 1978. The fight was not the American full-contact rules. The fight was neither sactioned nor promoted by the WKA. As for the Billy Jackson fight, it had been reported by the American MA media for a while, and I personally watched the whole fight, and Jackson got the nod.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 I am from LA and I know those who saw his fight at the Olympic auditorium. This means nothing, in fact it just tells me that you're basing your opinion on hearsay. You refuse to admit that the fight was officially ruled a no contest. I provided source, you have provided nothing. If you know were video is then post it.
Who should I believe, an encyclopedia, or some young man off the internet? You have every opportunity to prove your case. Contact Wikipedia and set record straight.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Who ruled the fight as no-contest anyway? You don't provide any source. You just believe what's written in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Besides, I don't base my opinion on hearsay. The fight took place in Japan, and it was well reported by the media here.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 You sent me to a blog which anyone can write and even it agreed with me. It states these fights were ruled no contest. It also says that according to another source that may have not been the case, but does not identify the source, and doesn't change the fact it was ruled a NC. The Japanese article implies that the referee raised the tai's hand, but if you look closely, his trainer is raising fighters R hand & fighter is raising his own L hand while the refs R hand is at his side.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Just because you have no access to the real info does not make the fight no-contest. Just explain who ruled the fight as no-contest, and for what reason? His loss to Billye Jackson had been recognized as a legitimate loss by the American MA media for while, but all of sudden the loss was removed, and for strange reason it started to be listed as no-contest.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 Your own blog said those fights were ruled NC. I think your just hearing what you want to here. Now you're saying there is some kind of conspiracy.
Is this all the evidence you have? I have access to the real info and I have cited it. Your own source say's the same. If you're going to marginalize one of the greatest pioneers of the sport then you should have hard evidence instead of philosophical antidotes or hearsay and rumor.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Don't fool yourself. Wikipedia is not a real info. I do have the hard evidence. Besides you are the one who base your opinion on rumor or hearsay. Mr. Urquidez was indeed one of the great champions, but at the same time he is an outrageous liar. Go Texas and talk to those Allen Steen black belts. They will tell you Billye Jackson kicked his butt. Or why don't you come over here in Japan? I will bring you to the people who helped promoting his fight against the Thai.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 If you have hard evidence then set the record straight in the encyclopedias. You said to ask Mike Miles about his uncovering the truth, but Benny and Mike Miles are very close life long friends, in fact Miles interviewed the Jet on the fights we are speaking of. I'll send you article. Mark Twain said a rumor can travel half way around the world while the truth is barley getting out of bed and putting on its shoe's
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
The Mike Miles interview took place before he discovered the fact Urquidez lost to the Thai. Give me some time to translate the news articles for Wikipedia.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01"The Mike Miles interview took place before he discovered the fact Urquidez lost to the Thai"
And is this based on someone you know also? I seems to me that I'm the only one who can cite sources. Even your sources don't deny what I have said. Sorry friend but your case is weak and seems you have taken this very personal which is another warning sign.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Nothing personal at all. The truth is that those us who grew up watching the sport in the 70s remember the fight. It was not some kind of underground no-sanctioned fight. And the fight was neither sanctioned nor promoted by the WKA. He and/or his representatives have no right to turn it into a no-contest. It is your reasoning which is weak. So far you have not explained who ruled it as a no-contest or how it was ruled as such.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 Your own source said it was a no contest the officials determined this.
I'm tired of repeating myself. Your just making accusations and trying to find what sticks. I old enough to remember many of these fights this os not foreign to me.
If you have evidence you have yet to produce it. Where is the evidence? Why haven't you even made a video containing all this evidence? Why don't you do that instead of using second hand hearsay? In the US we require more than just accusations.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Don't tell me bullshit like you actually watched this fight. Why don't you provide your evidence that explains who ruled the fight as a no-contest? Why in the world could the WKA rule it as a no-contest since it neither promoted nor sanctioned the fight?
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 I didn't say I watched this fight. I said I remember many of these fights.
It was you that said "The truth is that those us who grew up watching the sport in the 70s remember the fight" You're only 36 now who is doing the bullshitting? You should have said toss of us who went from a baby to a toddler. That would have been more accurate. This is why I hate rumors and you can always tell rumors because they lack evidence. Someone say's something and everyone repeats it.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
You are the one who is bullshitting. I originally trained in the Shidokan system, and I had a chance to talk to the founder, who was also the partner of mr. Kurosaki, the promoter of this fight. I have relatives who watched the fight in the arena. Besides, the fight was well reported by the MA press here. Unlike, the American MA media, kickboxing was covered greatly. Over here, especialy in 70s and 80s, just about every single bout was reported by the MA media.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 If the Japanese were so unimpressed by Benny then why did they make a cartoon after him in his honor? It was the Japanese who officiated. I think this is jealousy because asians don't do very well in the UFC even in the lower weight classes you don't have any asian champs in the UFC. Akiyama is good but still not a champ in the US. I have a lot of respect for the Bushido doctrine but I think you're belly aching. This is not very honorable.
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legkicker01 1 year ago
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@legkicker01 I didn't say I watched this fight. I said I remember many of these fights.
It was you that said "The truth is that those us who grew up watching the sport in the 70s remember the fight" You're only 36 now who is doing the bullshitting? You should have said those of us who went from a baby to a toddler. That would have been more accurate. This is why I hate rumors and you can always tell rumors because they lack evidence. Someone say's something and everyone repeats it.
benthemiester 1 year ago
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@legkicker01 Your own source said it was a no contest the officials determined this.
I'm tired of repeating myself. Your just making accusations and trying to find what sticks. I'm old enough to remember many of these fights this is not foreign to me.
If you have evidence you have yet to produce it. Where is the evidence? Why haven't you even made a video containing all this evidence? Why don't you do that instead of using second hand hearsay? In the US we require more than just accusations.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@legkicker01 First you said there was a rematch with tai victor but that the Jet didn't show up in arena. Then you said Billie Jackson was the victor and there was a rematch but the Jet didn't show up in the arena. Which is it? Are you saying both is true? If so why cant you cite a source?
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Urquidez did not show up in the arena for the rematch against the Thai, not Jackson.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 Wiki cited more verifiable sources than you did. Who did the blogger work for? What are his credential as a sports journalist? There is an obscure name from Japan who is thanked but who is he? If you look at Wiki article I cited which is an official encyclopedia you will see the sources that were used including respected martial arts magazines among other sources.
benthemiester 1 year ago
@benthemiester
Wikipedia can be edited anonymously. It cannot be trusted blindly. If the link I provided doesn't do much for you, why don't you contact someone like Mr. Mike Miles from Canada? Mr. Miles is a former champion himself, and now the trainer and historian of Thai boxing. He was one of the first to uncover the previously deleted losses of mr. Urquidez.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@benthemiester Sorry but..i fight in muay thai..im finding it hard to believe that your citing Wiki as a source of info..a site that can be freely edited by the worlds public at large. Thats not hard evidence. I dont know if Benny Urquidez lost this fight or not, im too young to know im only 29. I do find it hard to believe he beat a Lumpinee fighter. Muay Thai is generally regarded as THE PREMIER striking art..though were certainly not invincible.
LCStreetPhotographer 11 months ago
@LCStreetPhotographer "Sorry but..i fight in muay thai..im finding it hard to believe that your citing Wiki as a source of info..a site that can be freely edited by the worlds public at large"
It can only be edited with verifiable sourced information. If paragraph is un sourced then it must say so. If you have a verifiable source and would like to set the record straight, then more power to you.
benthemiester 11 months ago
@benthemiester No sorry i have no verifiable sources. I know of Benny the Jet purely through my own involvemnt in combat sports but thats about it. I've never been a standard kickboxing practitioner or competitor, always conventional boxing and muay thai. I have tonnes of respect for the guy though however it turns out his career went, he was a great sportsman.
LCStreetPhotographer 10 months ago
@benthemiester
You should not say "the jet got robbed" bullshit since you do not watched the entire fight. But I agree that the editing sucks, even for theatrical release.
legkicker01 1 year ago
all these arguments are stupid , who cares where it came from, I only care where its going. it seems to be headed in the crappier with all this MMA stuff . traditional MA gets the shaft by the nay sayers who are to lazy to go and train. And yes i've trained in MT/BJJ but thats besides the point lol
phollow174 1 year ago
YES! A true fighter should learn how to accept defeat. This video serves as proof. And since this happen long time ago definitely Master Benny already realized that the problem is not in his form of martial art he is using but to himself. A constant practise, study, research, etc are factors that should be considered no matter how victor you are. This is now history and we should be thankful to the pioneers! LET US UNITE IN THE MARTIAL ART WORLD.
julius12227 1 year ago
European kickboxing and American kickboxing came largely from Kyokushin karate, which is the school that was influenced by Muay Thai.
patfromlogan 1 year ago
@patfromlogan
The American kickboxing did not come from Kyokushinkai. It came from Joe Lewis, who studied shorin-ryu in Okinawa, and boxing under Sugar Ray Robinson. In Europe, only the Netherland had the strong Kyokushinkai roots.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@patfromlogan For sure i dont know who brought kickboxing to america but i know that one of the people was Bruce Lee though im not saying he invented it.
Mider999 1 year ago
I have and.... it didn't
fukudave 1 year ago
This video goes to show that Muay Thai and Kickboxing are NOT the same style. If you look at this fight though you can see how Kickboxing as a style was still pretty close to Karate (which it evolved from). Notice Benny's stance.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 no sorry thats not true, kickboxing was designed to be a western sport version of Mai thai, it may look more similar to karate because they dont tend to use elbows, but it does derive from Mai thai not karate for example the way you are taght to kick is from the hip like mai thai as apose to karate which you flick your hip up and then straiten the leg.
fukudave 1 year ago
"kickboxing was designed to be a western sport version of Mai thai"
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No it was not. It was first put together by karate guys. A bunch of point sparring karate guys like Benny the Jet, and most importantly, Joe Lewis, got together and decided to try and knock each other out instead of playing tag. Google the history of kickboxing. It evolved out of karate in the U.S.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
its not Benny the yet its Benny the jet
ITOK3B0WL5ON420 1 year ago
Those knees must've hurt
tizlor 1 year ago
I 'm wondering if that day in 1977 at LA ( the fight with Narongnoi), what would a result be if Narongnoi was allowed to use knees& elbows as full muaythai rules.
siamyuth 1 year ago
Now a day Benny him self taught his student how to use elbow and kneee, and he 's doing well too. Many full contact karatekas in those days couldn't go for a distance when they face thais but Benny did in both fights( Narongnoi, Prayoud).
He is a good fighter.
siamyuth 1 year ago
So benny had a bad night, he was still one of the greatest kickboxers we have ever known.
marccost1 1 year ago
@marccost1 agreed but he should have acknowledge his lost
beer7 1 year ago
it's a known fact that all of Urquidez's losses to Thai fighters were ruled as "no-contests". Why? Because everyone was and still is in denial he was sounded punished and viciously beaten.
MikeUntstinks 1 year ago
@MikeUntstinks I was there watching his fights with the Thai fighters and he never was soundly punished or even close to viciously beaten. Some of the Thais did what they did best and Benny also beat on them. The thais did give him competitive fights at times but he has acknowledged that. The no-contest was a fair ruling because both sides felt they won.
marccost1 1 year ago
@marccost1 That's obvious, but don't try arguing with the Sacred Thai White Trash Brigade. It's one of the craziest things ever to come out of the internet. It's as surreal as watching the birth of the KKK or something.
Toffusaurelius 1 year ago
In 1978, Benny Urquidez meets Prayout Sittiboonlert, also practising Thai-Boxing. This WKA fight, in Japan, was an exhibition on 5 rounds, according to Benny Urquidez, without weigh-in. The decision was first given to Sittiboonlert. After, the result was changed to a No-Contest in 6 rounds. Another version mentions that it was a qualifying match to meet Fujiwara and that Sittiboonlert was declared the winner on points at the end of a real battle,
leiefilm 1 year ago
Benny was a great fighter and so are these Muay Thai fighters
All I know is either of them would have kicked Bruce Lees ars
caucazhin 2 years ago
@caucazhin finaly! someone that knows bruce wasn't the "superhuman that could destroy mike tyson or any boxer fighter ever" that all these idiots say he is. thank you, you made my morning.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
@thecrazyoftheinsane your very welcome...Bruces famous quote in ENTER THE DRAGON calling his art "the art of fighting without fighting" is an unintended perfect reflection of his JKD. And thats because he never fought anyone, worth mentioning anyway.How can someone claim theyre invincible if they never fight anyone, its absolutely riduculous.
caucazhin 1 year ago
@thecrazyoftheinsane bruce lee boxed back in hong kong and one all of his fights
actionmanrandell 1 year ago
I am a fan of Benny the Jet for quite a number of years. But the truth is the truth, Benny lost this fight. His kicks were ineffective, he had no idea how to defend against the knees in the clinch. No elbows were used by the Thai fighter. The Thai fighter in this video wasn't that good either. If the Thai fighter was the caliber of Ramon Dekker or Rob Kaman, Benny would have been killed. I mean literally killed. When it comes to upright fighting, true Muay Thai is deadly.
4JayeP 2 years ago
While I respect your opinion, I tell you,in case you do not know, that the Thai was then 5th rated in the Lumpini Stadium rating. Also, in addition to that fact, the competition in Thailand in those days were said to be lot tougher than when Dekkers and Kaman fought in 90s. Just a food for thought.
legkicker01 2 years ago
Hey van, I'm American but I agree.
tatsumakisempyukaku 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure this bout was ended with no victor for either side, and the fight began again 3 months later? Benny the Jet won that one, I believe. He actually came to my dojang tonight! He taught a big group of us for about two hours( this is in Australia btw)
sanabachi 2 years ago
The Thai was the victor and he won via decision. And Urquidez did not win the rematch since he didn't show up in the arena. It is good for you to have the opportunity to train under him, but he lost this particular fight.
legkicker01 2 years ago 7
@legkicker01 Nobody is undefeatable everyone loses. The point is that he is the calibur of training and knowledge and technique he can pass down to you. Nobody is invincible no matter who they are weather they are one of the greats like Benny The Jet. or Bruce Lee, or Mas Oyama, Yip Man, Ed Parker, Dan Inosanto everyone started somewere and had a teacher who taught them
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999
I have already understood what you tried to say. Yes, no one is unbeatable. But that's not what we are talking about here. The problem with Mr. Urquidez is that he has fooled people with his false record and account and mislead those who followed him. And even worse, there still have been many who want to live in the fantasy Mr. Urquidez created.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 I have no idea what your talking about though. I never heard him say he was undefeated or anything like that.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999
Maybe you are still new to MA. For decades, Mr. Urquidez has claimed he is undefeated in his professional career, and defeated the best both Japan and Thailand had to offer, which was totally untrue.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 He did defeat the best they had but he isnt undefeated whats your point?
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999
The point is that He has spitted so many lies about his career, which have mislead quite a number of people.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 I see that alot of people say he never lost a fight. thats very sad because i know that even Bruce Lee had people he had trouble with like Gene Lebell and i think Hawkins Cheun who was his sparring partner under Yip Man. Helio Gracie also has a lose or more to a judo man. Same with Rickson who Royce Gracie says is 10 times better then him. Then Royce Gracie i saw him lose to Matt Hughes but he never tapped out but he had no were to go
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999
So what? Stop talking all those unrelated things.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 I dont have to stop talking about anything ok? When im ready to stop talking ill stop talking ok?
Mider999 1 year ago
@legkicker01 I understand what your saying but Benny the Jet still has alot to offer people in the form of training. As for me i dont worship Benny the Jet. They say that Benny the jet brought kickboxing to america or invented it i think that Bruce Lee had as much to do with that as anyone
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999
What's the point of talking about Bruce Lee here?
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 If you dont see the point then your not very smart
Mider999 1 year ago
a fight is a fight and he lost the fight....i bet every now and then he recalls that day and feels the shame..but that's a personal shame...taking a loss always sucks...but hey, if that was him, cuz the video quality is so crappy so i use the word if, then he technically lost...who ever disputes that is being delusional..sanctioned or not, that's a fight that he lost if that was him in the vid.
tatsumakisempyukaku 2 years ago
Benny the Jet is the champ. All of you Muay Thai nut-huggers are a joke. Saying Benny couldn't fight Muay Thai is like saying Mike Tyson couldn't win a kick-in-the-balls contest. Who cares? Muay Thai is retarded. It's just kickboxing with none of the rules and none of the skill. Nowadays it's popular on Youtube with fat kids who can't kick as high as their belt, so they love the low kicks. But remember, this month's Muay Thai champion is next month's Bangkok rentboy who walks with a limp.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
I strongly seggest you to go to Netherland and visit the Mejiro Gym, Dojo Chakuriki or other Thai boxing gyms there. You'll soon discover that it is you who is retarted, not the sport of muay thai.
legkicker01 2 years ago
What kind of name is leg kicker? That's like ankle biter, or bum scratcher. Oooh, I'm so impressed that you can kick as high as my leg. You can't even spell retarded right!
Seriously though, watching K-1 the other day I saw two chumps kicking each other's legs like a couple of little girls on the playground & I realized how lame this sport got after they allowed kicks below the belt. It made me miss the old days when kickboxing was called Full Contact Karate. Yes, Muay Thai is truly retarded.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
So you're saying you've never heard of or seen the leg kicks of muay thai. If that's the case, then it's your problem. My user accout name is just a name. Don't fuss over it. You don't like muay thai. That's fine with me. I have no intention to convert you to the art. But there are two facts you cannot change. First, Mr.Urquidez did lose to the Thai. Second, he has manipulated and lied about his record including the loss he suffered to the Thai.
legkicker01 2 years ago
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Wrong again, bumsniffer01. This was an exhibition match, that's why it's not on his record. If it had been a sanctioned bout the Thai would have been disqualified for the multiple knee strikes in the clinch, which is against the rules in WKA kickboxing. This video was in Japan, not Thailand. They had rules in Japan.
Secondly, where do you get the idea I've never seen Muay Thai leg kicks? There's lots of them right here on Youtube, you idiot. I've seen them, I'm just not impressed by them.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
I am from Japan and I know better than you. The fight wasn't an exhibition. It was sanctioned by the Shin-kakuto-jutsu organization for which Urquidez previously fought twice. The WKA had nothing to do with this bout. Besides, Urquidez fought under the ruleset which allowed the use of knee and clinch in his previous 4 fights in Japan. No excuse necessary. Urquidez lost the fight.
legkicker01 2 years ago
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You're from Japan? Gee, next you'll be telling me you were at this fight & you were Sittiboonlert's water boy. That would explain why you hate Benny the Jet, though. A lot of Japanese hate him because he was this brash American who came to Japan and beat all their best karate fighters at their own game.
Benny Urquidez says this fight was an exhibition match, the World Kickboxing Association (WKA) lists this fight as a "No Contest". Case closed. Benny The Jet Urquidez, undefeated karate champ.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
The majority of Urquidez' Japanese opponents were non-karate fighters. The only exception, Naito was not championship caliber. Urquidez fought under the compromised ruleset which prohibited the use of elbow with the lmited clinch and knee. Urquidez' victories over here were not as sensational as some Westerners would like to believe since there were far more Japanese victors in the inter-style competitions those days.
legkicker01 2 years ago
To this day, I have not yet seen Mr.Urquidez in person. I do not have any vendetta whatsoever against him. The same for the majority of fight fans and officials here. The WKA has absolutely no right to declare the fight as no-contest, since the fight was neither sanctioned nor promoted by it. Stop masturbating to Jean Claude Van Damme's Kickboxer and grow up.
legkicker01 2 years ago
You have nothing personal against Benny Urquidez? Don't make me laugh, baglicker01. You troll the comments on almost every Benny the Jet video on Youtube. Your bitchy posts go back to a year ago. It's obvious you're obsessed with the man. It must keep you awake at night, knowing that this Gaijin came to Japan and easily defeated your country's best of the best. Even this fight he would have won on points (If the WKA didn't call it a no-contest) because kneeing in the clinch is a foul.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
So far I have been the only one in YouTube who can explain the details of the fight in English. I have sent some magazine articles to those who asked me privately. They seemed quite satisfied with what I had to offer. Urquidez didn't fight the best Japan had to offer. As a matter of fact, he avoided to fight Fujiwara. There was no way Urquidez would've won the fight by point. And kneeing with clinch was LEGAL in the this fight. It was his decision to fight under those type of rule set.
legkicker01 2 years ago
Kneeing in the clinch is a foul? I think the entire Muay thai world just laughed their asses off. My god, it amazes me that there are still benny fans out there. They always said about him that he would fight anyone at any style. ha what a joke, the guy never fought with knees or elbows, If Prayout would´ve used his elbows, benny wouldn´t even have started the fight. What a real fighter he is. I´m sick of all these fake champions, that are so famous because they happen to be american
vanmarty83 2 years ago
Hi Ass hole
This is muay thai rules if you cannot accept it don't fight muay thai
yuv06 2 years ago
One more thing. Benny Urquidez was again soundly decisioned in 1981 by Billye Jackson of Texas. Jackson was the agressor and set the pace in the whole fight. Initially the loss was acknowledged by many, but for some unknown reason, the loss was removed and misteriously turned as a no-contest. Urquidez was a great champion indeed, but at the same time he is an outrageous liar.
legkicker01 2 years ago
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Wow, you just can't shut up about Benny the Jet, can you? I suppose you were at that fight too. How else could you know so much about a fight that happened almost 30 years ago, when the only video of it is a grainy 42 second clip in black & white?
The fight went seven rounds and at first Billy Jackson won by a split decision. The decision was controversial, and later changed to a no-contest. That happens sometimes, even K-1 reversed the decision on the Jerome LeBanner vs. Remy Bonjasky fight.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
I have relatives who watched the fight live, so did some of my early MA instructors because the latter group used to work with the promoter of the fight, Mr. Kenji Kurosaki. As far as the Jackson fight, there was nothing controversial. The no-contest thing is bullshit. Urquidez's claimed the Jackson fight was an exhibition. It that were true, why was it turned to a no-contest. The fight was remotely similar to the LeBanner/Bonjasky fight. No comparison.
legkicker01 2 years ago
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So what you're saying is "I know a guy who told me he was there 30 years ago, that proves I'm right and the official record is wrong."
Yeah, whatever. Get over it, already. You sure have a hate-on for the "westerners", don't you? Why is that? Did you catch your wife in bed with your English language instructor?
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
My understanding of this fight does not solely depend on the comments of those who actually watched it. I told you via E-mail that I can send some articles if you want. But you've not yet answered. Are you scared to find out t he truth?
legkicker01 2 years ago
I'm not interested in what some hack once wrote in a magazine, the official World Kickboxing Association record is good enough for me.
Even if you count this and the Billy Jackson fight fight as losses Benny's pro record would be 56-2 (instead of 58-0) with an astounding 49 wins by knockout! That's still an amazing record. That's why I'll give the Jet the benefit of a doubt. And if you called him "an outrageous liar" to his face you'd be picking your teeth out of your tatami mat, baglicker01.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
You'd better seriously study English since you don't understand the language. The fight was neither sanctioned nor promoted by the WKA. Therefore,
the WKA has absolutely NO right to dispute or change the outcome of the bout. But because of the record manipulations such as his, the WKA has no longer any credibility as a legitimate organization. I already mentioned he was indeed a great champion nontheless. Stop your hero-worshipping and grow up.
legkicker01 2 years ago 2
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Listen, baglicker01. Nobody cares what you think. No matter how much you cry and snivel on the internet it doesn't change a thing. Benny the Jet is still the undefeated kickboxing champion, and you're still just a sad little loser making stupid bitchy comments on Youtube. That's reality for you.
You've been on this crusade for over a year now, give it up. Get a life and find something else to do with your time. Try doing martial arts for real instead of just watching videos about it on Youtube.
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
I've been a long time practitioner of martial arts. Unlike you and others, I am never into all those stupid martial arts flicks which can give viewers unrealistic outlook on the arts. I have something which back up my claims while you have nothing.
legkicker01 2 years ago
whats the truth?
masterofthekeyblade 2 years ago
The truth:
1. Mr. Urquidez has not yet acknowledged this particular defeat he suffered from the Thai opponent.
2. Some of his hardcore fans have equally not accepted the fact that Mr. Urquidez did lose to the Thai.
legkicker01 2 years ago 3
@legkicker01 You're first 1.) Truth has got to hit him hard. A fighter that does not recover from a defeat is no longer a fighter especially someone who refused to show up like that for the rematch. Its like an installed fear. I can see Benny is very well respected but from this video he lost fair and square because of his inability to adapt to the Muay thai grapple and constant low kicks.
flipbulance 1 year ago
@flipbulance
You are right. If muay thai is not his cup of tea, it is OK. But the problem is that he lied about his record and his career, and even worse gave the American kickboxing community the false sense of security.
legkicker01 1 year ago
Since the late 90s, some partisan muay thai supportes have used this clip without knowing the context of the fight to propagate how their art is superior, and how Urquidez quit in 2. The truth is that he went the distance and this clip was cut and edited for the sake of theatrical release. I've tried to set the record straight. No hate or animosity toward him. Besides, I've also tried to mention the fact Westerners like Don Wilson, Dale Cook defeated some Thai fighters in their careers.
legkicker01 2 years ago
In addition to your lack of knowledge of the particular fight, your outlook on the martial arts makes me think your comments are not trustworthy. I've felt like I've been talking to someone whose only martial arts experience has come from watching movies, or comic books.
legkicker01 2 years ago
I feel exactly the same way about you. At last we can agree on something!
TheKrottyKid 2 years ago
What separates me the most from you is that I have something which back up my claims. On the other hand, you have nothing else to prove your points. I have given a chance to see yourself what I have to offer. But you keep declining. I don't know what makes you so scared of doing that.
legkicker01 2 years ago
I think Benny's fight with Yoshihisa Tagami is his most controversial. Referee Cecil Peoples had trained with Benny under the same karate teacher and one of the judges, Fred Royers (a highly respected Dutch kickboxer) had trained with Urquidez and was one of his friends. So the cards were stacked against Tagami's favor. If you see the fight, Tagami handily won.
I would also note that Benny was not the first American fighter to beat Japanese. Ray Elder won the Japanese Middleweight crown in 1971.
freelyminded21 2 years ago 2
Lol for Benny to claim that was not a loss is just sad. He was so hurt he had to quit. That Thai guy beat the fuck out of him.
Drewski1316 2 years ago
Urquidez didn't quit, but somehow managed to go distance with the Thai. Well, in a sense he "quit" because he didn't show up in the rematch in which he promised to avenge the loss.
legkicker01 2 years ago
I totally agree with shadyeskimo. Benny's head had gotten bigger than his outdated skills, he thought he could prove to the world that he is invincible and he could beat anyone anywhere in the world. It was a big mistake for him to go up against the Thai fighter.
pchoothesa 2 years ago
Who cares if anyone trains under him, and talks to Benny, He got Killed in the Clinch, didnt know how to get out of it, or defend against it, so a clear loss! If you fight a Nak Muay and Cant clinch under MT rules, your going down!
shadyeskimo 2 years ago
this fight was a exhibition that is why no poster exists, also why that it is not a loss, the the guys trainer lifts his fighters hand not the ref
senseilouie6 2 years ago
You obviously don't know the history of the fight. I recommend you to do some research before making any comment.
legkicker01 2 years ago
Where is the poster of this clip anyway? Honestly, I am done debating this with you. If you are impressionable enough to be duped by this poorly edited and 30 yr old video, you are not worthy of any further debate.
KenLally7 2 years ago
My understanding of this fight does not solely depend on this poorly edited clip. I guess you are the one who is duped. The reality of international kickboxing scene is nothing like those Chuck Norris flicks, in which the arrogant American goes to oversea and teach the foreign barbarians some stupid lessons, or Jean Claude Van Damme's Kickboxer, or any similar movie. I guess Urquidez overly exaggerated exploits appeal to those who grew up watching the aforementioned types of movies.
legkicker01 2 years ago