@xtrafocks u agree with you but Weldh would be bettet than british. Any englishman to pick up a longbow quickly failed, the longbow ranks were purely Welsh until the end. Well I susspose a scarce few englishman made it there
The Welsh were the undisputed masters of the longbow. Wales has often been subsumed into the generic "england",although we are are different country. British longbowmen would be a better way form of description.
The bow is one of the few Ideas that were invented spontaniously in many cultures, Asia, Europe, Austrailia, The Americas, and Africa Each developed their own versions of the bow as nessesary for the developement of their cultures, Saying that a single culture invented it is like saying one invented the blade, hunting, or fishing. the bow was invented in every culture chronologically which culture thought of it first would be difficult to say
OK... I've got an argument with some pompous moron on youtube who thinks that the Welsh didn't invent the longbow. He also becomes very annoyed at anyone who corrects him. Just to make sure I'm right... did the Welsh invent the longbow?
It originated in Scandinavia I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly where in Scandinavia but it was first made there the British and other Europeans just refined the bow to make it what it was
@celticbattleaxe It was from the Welsh that the English got the idea.This was during
one of Edward III "sorties",the story goes that an English knight was pinned to his horse when an arrow passed through the mail on his leg,then through his leg,the mail on the other side and into his horse.As you can imagine,this impressed all who saw it,and king Edward decided to adopt the longbow. The English did improve on it,and the great war bow was born.
At last french won.... and the destruction on villages sent the message to the french people; "look, the english destroy your homes, so you can start to hate us". And so it was.
@CgTvShow The Vikings used a similar bow, but it lacked the same draw weight which made the Welsh/English longbow so powerful. The Vikings made their bows very similar to the English, but there was a slight difference with the type of tree they used and where they cut the tree to take the bow from it.
English mediaeval army never tasted armour and rage of islamic Ottoman turkish army...they could fall under Ottoman Empire pretty easy, and this is the reason cause Englishmen are impressed by ''shine'' of Ottoman empire more than other Europeans,they didn't taste the steel and pain. Also longbow is widespreaded across the Europe not only in England, except East and South East Europe where composite bows were often using beside wooden longbows.Englishmen always lived at right time&right place.
@MrSnorreke Sorry, but the longbow was only ever used in england, and only ever used by Welshmen and Englishmen, who had to be trained from quite an early age to develop the muscles to use the longbow. No other country in Europe used the longbow, as the training took too long.
@lifelessperson1993 Aye, you can see physical proof in the strength it took in the skeletons of English and welsh longbowmen. When they brought the Mary Rose up (King Henry 8th's flagship), they could tell who the archer's were because their spines were slightly twisted from the strain of the longbow and their right shoulders showed evidence of huge muscular development.
People, people, the whole thing is not saying the English INVENTED the bow, rather that we REFINED the Longbow. Developed and advanced it's design, polished it and used the end, superior product to win many battles.
@JemmetGK lol, I'm going to assume you are either kidding or you have no idea what you are talking about. A composite bow not only shoots faster but it's also easier to use and more versatile. Not to mention a composite bow can be kept strung while lonbows can't. A lonbow is primitive technology compared to a composite bow such as what the mongolians used. I would love to see you try to shoot a longbow off the back of a horse. Speed and mobility alone makes composite bows superior
Yes, modern day compound bows are nice and shiney and thanks to the technology ANYONE can shoot, no skill or care required. Rather like a modern firearm, anyone can pick one up, point and shoot--not much difference.
A "primative" longbow takes learning, skill, practice to shoot well, a commitment to the art. A longbow is a labour of love, hand crafted, and cared for.
A compound bow, well, all the art is manufactured out at the factory.
Oh, and I didn't mean to shoot a longbow from a horse you twatter. I was referring to the Mongolian Horsebow was the only other bow I can think of that came close to the power of an English Longbow.
@JemmetGK Well I'm not sure why you are ranting and raving about compound bows. I assumed with your expertise on bows you would have known the difference between a composite bow and a compound bow but apparently not. Yes a long bow does require a lot of skill and practice but what does that have to do with your argument that the longbow is a superior bow?
Where you wrote "composite" I read "compound". My error.
But you still haven't answered my question: What bow do you consider superior to the English Longbow of the age depicted in this video?
The composite is a style of bowmaking, not a specific bow. I asked you to cite a specific bow from the era. Or if you can't, shut your pie hole.and go back to chanting "qumebya" in your little teepee.
@JemmetGK Yes I can see how you were confused because I only wrote it 3 times in one paragraph right? Now that you googled composite bow it should be pretty fucking obvious which bow I'm talking about retard. 100 years war??? were you fighting the mongols?? "Intelligent superiors"?? this coming from a clown that dresses up as star trek characters when it's not even halloween. lmao GO HARD RETARD!!!!!
@JemmetGK cont..... You're basing your opinion on 1 single aspect(which is wrong BTW) instead of coming to a conclusion after taking in to account all aspects of a product. The longbow is and was a great bow but it was not a superior bow in it's time. The longbow was more powerful?? WTF?? where do u get your facts? You should stick to things you know about like star trek and whatever other geeky things you're into
My opinion is based from many long years of experience in shooting many styles of traditional bows from all over the globe. I've been shooting with longbows since long before Trek came out so don't bring that into it.
My facts are based on history, how the hell else did we prove so succesful during the 100 Years War?
YOU need to go back to your speculation on the primitive, pre-civilized living and leave the civilized refining of tools to your inteligent superiors.
@PrimitiveByNature If you knew a half-cent about bows in general you would know that historically asian hornbows were left UNSTRUNG and stored in heatboxes to RETAIN their RECURVED shape increasing their speed -NO ARCHER leaves his bow strung because that would intially lose his cast and composite bows shot ligheter weaker arrows which had less energy than the slower, heavier arrows of the warbow.
@minxel16 I didn't mean they left them strung 24/7 I meant they could be strung in the morning ready to go while on the march etc. while longbows were left unstrung until right before the battle. Without giving you a physics lesson lets just say that speed makes up for the weight of an arrow and the difference in kinetic energy is negligable. If you knew a half-cent about archery you would know that smart ass.
@PrimitiveByNature ahem...without a physics lesson how about this: KE=1/2mv^2 which means according to arrows weight 1000 grains has around 150jouoles whereas 300grain one from a horsebow has only 50joules which is a lot of difference if you're shooting armour. If you really knew a half-cent then you would know generally in archery momentum is more important as that determines how FAR and arrow will pierce eg. momentum=mass x velocity
@minxel16 nice numbers did you pick those out of a hat and what is the velocity you're using? Seems pretty random to me. Besides you have to be able to hit the target for it to matter and it's pretty tough to hit anything with a war bow which is why they used them in large numbers in open fields. Composites had way more versatility and when used by a skilled horseman they were superior to clunky oversized war bows, not to mention the ease of training.
@PrimitiveByNature If you think you're so clever-why didn't you try out the equation a 1000grain arrow and 300 grain arrow-put them in the equationr. The warbow will pretty much always have double the energy as long as you use reliable units. If you don't know jack about velocity for archery then it is measured in feet per second or fps-convert that into metres per second. Warbows are actually more accurate since a recurve- limb twist which puts arrow off target. Longer limbs mean more accuracy
@minxel16 Wow. Where is it written in stone that certain bows always shoot certain weighted arrows? Apparently you didn't unserstand my last comment, where did you get the weights and how the fuck am I supposed to use the equation without a velocity????? Should I just make up numbers like you do? I also respect the fact that the warbow was was more effective for what it was used for(large numbers of them vs large formations) but you can't say the warbow is superior based on that alone.
@PrimitiveByNature Limb twist-if you don't know is when you've got a highly recurved bow and it slightly twists randomly at full draw meaning the arrow can be put off but warbows are perfectly elliptical and have little recurve so shoot straighter at all distances. If you weren't so ignorant you would have realised that warbows are truly mighty-I respect both bows and love to wield them but I also respect their differences which you seem too ignorant to do so
@minxel16 You are taking a narrow minded approach in your comparison instead of analyzing the multitudes of other factors and situations. Is the warbow superior when used in large numbers against large formations on an open battlefield? yes. Does that mean it's a superior bow? no. In fact you can't even compare the two unless you are comparing 1 vs1 in the numerous factors such as ease of use, formations, available materials, the enemy, mobility, accuracy at certain distances, etc. etc. etc.
@PrimitiveByNature If you have read my comments I have said no bow is 'superior' -maybe your seeing things. I am not comparing a linear battle situation either, but am just telling you that physically, the warbow had stronger power-thats ALL. Yes of course battle strategy is of utmost importance regardless of arms armour and numbers. Accuracy would be same at all distances with my quoted range since bowmen didn't bother to go through six types of arrows every battle wave.
i've tried a search, found out at least what book it's in "The sun shines bright" - ou might be able to find it online, hope so, if you do, let me know!
The Welsh were the people who most commonly used the Longbow in Europe, and Wales was where the English adopted it from after Edward I witnessed their devastating power. Welsh subject troops and mercenaries would be used for generations due to their skill at the longbow.
Riders used compositum, recurved bows, like the "gawddamen" mongolians^^ 200lbs? aaargh, i have problems with 45 lbs... thx god, for powder and crossbows... and toxins^^
5tonyvvvv, why'd you think yew is all gone? Good yew is expensive, but it's there, look for oregon, or alpine yew on e-bay. It's there, but pricy. I generally make my bows out of ash, or hickory, but would love to get my hands on some osage or good yew.
I think medieval bows ranged from aprox; 90lb to 200+lb as the extreme minimum and maximum. They were phased out because of the training required to make a warbowman, rather than a lack of power, though the advent of heat treated plate also hurt
for parts of campaings, yesthey did, this was very rare in the western world unlike where it was common in the east with the mongols. wotch the rest of the parts to this episode and you see him on a horse
Truly admirable series, although I think most people tend to overemphasize the role of longbow in middle ages. I consider crossbows the true "levellers" when it comes to killing armored foes (knights particulary).
depends on the circumstances and task ,the crossbow is pretty sensible to wetness and was more effective for sharpshooting and plate-amor.longbows were cheaper and good for massive attacks.a big point about effiency of weapons and their roles in history is also their price and the production..
Well, I don't know if longbows were that cheaper than crossbows. As far as I understood from these series, there were considerable amount of craftsmanship involved in making these bows, and the men who were supposed to used them had to be trained for quite a few years before learning to use these weapons properly. That adds up to the general price of the "archer" as military unit compared to the crossbowman :).
So how is it smartass from one unit of English longbowmen u can get 600 arrows fired in a single minute which means 100 arrows in the air within 10 seconds which will fall down on the slow and clumbsy french crossbowmen with extreme vengence and massacre them. ehh? go back to school
Well Danny I'll tell you how. First of all normal bows, have much less penetrating power than crossbows when it comes to armor. That means, that an arrow fired from a bow, has much less the chance to pierce a plate armor than a crossbow bolt. English longbows were fine, dont get me wrong - but they weren't THAT powerfull, they were hard to produce and a skilled longbowman takes several years to train properly. On the other hand, any toug or skumbag could be dragged out of his borthel...
...and could be turned into a crossbowman much faster. English archers were indeed one hell of a soldiers but their role in medieval warfare is quite confined to the 100 years war. On the other hand crossbowman were largely used by virtually everyone in Europe from the early middle ages, and well into the gunpowder age. In conclusion firepower and mass-production (crossbow) beats range and speed (longbow). Then again I could be wrong, but judging from your reaction and spelling, you wont be...
And in conclusion, I would recommend that you read some literature on the subject you are so keen to discuss, such as "Medieval warfare" by Helen J. Nicholson, and page 99 in particular :), they have it on Google books.
Quite good, but have you seen 'LONGBOW OZ VI' ... he makes a bow in 5 minutes then shoots a dangerous critter in the bollocks. You couldn't make it up !
But wait, he said that the army consisted of 40 000 men. Then he says "half of them where archers, in fact 7 1/2 have thousands were arches", ähm 40k/2=20k not 7.5k right? xD
Well you can see that Mike Loades shows it's possible to use a longbow from a horse. And would you be surprised to know that the Japanese used longbows in their horse archery known as Yabusame?
The crossbowmen, mercenaries fighting for France were paid to fight against the Englishmen, most of them were Swiis and Italian...but there also were french crossbowmen lol.
There also were english bowmen, not only Welsh who fought against the knight of my country :P. It was told that there were so many arrows in the sky that we could have thought it was snowing in August lol. English have always been the master of war.
i dont think id agree with the english being masters of war they always seem to know who to deploy though, most of their history theyve used ghurkas scots welsh or irish soldiers
You are right, they "employed" Irish, Welsh, Scots...but unfortunately, if you see History, Canada is an example, they fought the French again.Canada was French and it only remains one little french speaking part: Québec State. Maybe we could conclude that we were really bad at war lol.
I guess you are welsh or Irish... I've also have a little reject towards British Colonialism.
But I have to underline that they were great fighters with great discipline.
yea im welsh, not a massive fan of the english gocerment either lol, yea i agree they where good at warfare, but again if you look at one of the most revered generals in english history, wellington, he was anglo irish by birth though he would never admit it and the irish hate him hahha,
i'm from the uk.. did'nt the norwegians single handedly stop the nazi's from making a nuke???? u do know about telemark don't u. i hate it when really stupid knobs like u try an judge others that you don't know.
Well, by that time, the English archers began to adopt the English weapon. In the conquest of Wales, Edward I made sure that as many men as possible used longbows. Still, the best longbowmen were still Welsh and as Wales became integrated with England, longbows were found all over Great Britain (even the Scots!)
I wonder if the bows used by the Indians and Egyptians counted as longbows, or were they simply oversized composite bows that traded complexity for size.
The traditional hungarian bow is stronger and more easy-to-use.
The longbow is a simple peace of wood, compare to hungarian bow which is a handicraft, multipart, containing wood, bones, sinew etc. and much older then the longbow... thousands years old.
But it was just a quiet comment in this loud, noisy anglo-saxon world.. :)!
The Mongol Hornbow was superior, but took much longer to make. They wouldn't of been able to produce as much Mongol bows as they could the Welsh/English Longbow.
according to sources it says this about it: "Highly-reflexed bows are more difficult to string and may reverse themselves suddenly; they have seldom been used for hunting or for war."
Hmmmm Edward like most of the English Aristo's was Norman/French spoke French and lived according to French custom, this was a war between a Norman/French King and a French King over who would control France. For Edward England was a great place to raise armies and tax, that was about it. I love the way modern nations try to lay claim to the old aristo's, as if they have something in common. They were a race apart, to imagine the King of England was anything but self serving is ridiculous.
@stanman1000 ugh no you have your histor mixed up it was the french who used the crossbow and the english used the long bow the english could fire 3 arrows as apposed to 1 of the french
i feel like calling you dumb but you probably dont know that the chinese had a different crossbow. the chu ko nu(repeating crossbow)the machine gun of those days
Thing is, the crossbow could put out a solid wall of fire due to its flat trajectory, so it could stop a charge. Whereas a bow had to fire in an arc over on top of the enemy and so left the archers exposed
romans occupied wales before the english and brought with them auxillary bowmen,viking,africans and korea/japanese had longbow.engish adopted the longbow and perfected it,argincourt a perfect example of this.
Correction, the design of the 'longbow' goes back much further than the English or welsh. The ice man 'Otzi' who was found intact in the alps and a least 5000 years old carried a bow almost identical to those found on the Mary Rose. In truth it is not English or Welsh, it goes back to pre history. We call it an English Longbow in relation to the adoption of it by the English armies of the late middle ages and it is very true to say that many Welsh men fought in those armies.
It is perfectly true that the medieval longbow design is ancient, but the welsh were highly skilled with the longbow, and were probably better than the english archers.
They might have been mighty with it, but I doubt they took it at the level of tradition that the English have... It's just a matter of politics I guess :P
They did steal it. They saw how effective the Longbow was first hand, used in that great medieval tradition, the Welsh ambush. Thusly impressed, the Longbow was introduced slowly but surely into England, used on a scale seemingly unthought of by the Welsh kingdoms. I'd say that yes, in the later parts of the 14th, 15th and indeed 16th centuries the English of certain regions were of a higher skill than many of their Welsh neighbours; if only because they were bound by law to practice regularly.
As a matter of fact the heavy warbow is ancient technology. The Iceman carried one, as well as the Germanic tribes in their battles against Rome. The Vikings made good use of it. But the Welsh and than the English showed the world its true potential on the battlefield, with ever stronger warbows and better tactics.
a lot of what this man dose is rong to start of the long bows were around any think for 90 to 200lbs 13th centry they could very easly kill a knight and the arrows changed as the armour got better all so not many had the best armour, a air cannon we are not told how much lbs is behind it not to meansion that no 1 that has use the bow for years shoot at the target he use's to say what a arrow storm will do
'...change the face of war on medieval battlefield...' One comment: LOL
Of course its true for Btitain and France, but we cant saying that things about all world or even Europe. Its incredible ignorance... its sad, but typical english ignrance...
no no no, the longbow has determined the end of the supremacy of the chivalry in favor of the infantry and the light weapons of launch that in the 1600-1700 have evolved in the fire-arms, and this change has happened all over the world, with the longbow the face of war has changed, whit it they understood that the chivalry wasn't invicible...
i heard they were excelent for horse archery, but they did not have the power nor the accuracy of the english longbow, but they were a lot more faster i heard
They certainly had the power as a longbow, but they did so without making such a large bow. In effect, a flat bow is superior in design to a long bow, the only reason Europe and particularly England started using them was because they were far easier to produce in mass quantities.
i think you are wrong on that matter. if im not mistaken they did not have the power of a longbow, the compisite bow when recurved was far more compact and therefor it was much easier to use on horseback.
however when compared to a normal selfbow it was almost at the same level.
although very practical it could never reach the power nor accuracy of the welsch bows.
Estimates show that the Mongol horse bow has a comparative draw weight as that of the longbow. (90-180 lbs)However the Mongol bow has a greater range,(320-350 Yards) compared with the English longbow's maximum range of 250 yards. So it has this over the longbow in that it has greater range, equal power, smaller (making it easier to use in tight places and on horseback. And any archer will tell you that you cannot guarantee a hit on an individual target at more than 80 yards with any bow.
yet at that time the english also had recurve bows, which they used on horse back just like they saw the arabs do in the crusades, there were some prominent archers among the warriors and rich too, if the recurve does have better reach like you state, then why did many still use the longbow?
stupid brits
kx06 5 months ago
@kx06 Why are they stupid?
neonplain 4 months ago
@neonplain cause they just are, let guess your a brit? lol
kx06 4 months ago
@neonplain cause they just are, let guess your a brit? lol
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 So which part of britain are you refering to? I am english, yes.
neonplain 4 months ago
@neonplain just any bloody Brits mate, not thy scotsmans lol
kx06 4 months ago
The dregs of humanity. Brutish thugs. Isn't that what the world thinks of America today?
irishmo87 7 months ago
it's not really practical to shoot nearly 2 meters long longbows on horseback...
hunya95 7 months ago
@hunya95
Neithers a desert eagle but people still shoot them ;)
WatchRyder 4 months ago
0:34: shooting a longbow on horseback ???
OK
english archers used longbows on foot
hungarian archers used hungarian horsebows on horseback
The video is mixing the two nations.....
hunya95 7 months ago
@hunya95 No it isn't.
Some people can't take the facts and recorded accounts of english archers.
WatchRyder 4 months ago
3 guys are french.
herrzorlo 8 months ago
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@xtrafocks u agree with you but Weldh would be bettet than british. Any englishman to pick up a longbow quickly failed, the longbow ranks were purely Welsh until the end. Well I susspose a scarce few englishman made it there
TheWolfboy90 8 months ago
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xtrafocks 9 months ago
The Welsh were the undisputed masters of the longbow. Wales has often been subsumed into the generic "england",although we are are different country. British longbowmen would be a better way form of description.
xtrafocks 9 months ago
@xtrafocks true the english underestimated the elasticity of elm which was proven to be just as effective but much more common
minxel16 9 months ago
what show is this? ^_^
jckrypton 9 months ago
what show is this from?
tpic11 1 year ago
@tpic11 wepons that make brittian its 5 episodes covering 5 pregunpowder wepons and there history of use by the brits
kokofan50 1 year ago
The bow is one of the few Ideas that were invented spontaniously in many cultures, Asia, Europe, Austrailia, The Americas, and Africa Each developed their own versions of the bow as nessesary for the developement of their cultures, Saying that a single culture invented it is like saying one invented the blade, hunting, or fishing. the bow was invented in every culture chronologically which culture thought of it first would be difficult to say
Mundicantus 1 year ago 2
@Mundicantus true but for australia, the Aboriginies never invented the bow. they stopped at the spear.
just a little info ^_^
DarkLordVincent 1 year ago
@DarkLordVincent aboriginals like to throw alot of their weapons.. lol...
lifes40123 1 year ago
@lifes40123 them aboriginals like to throw a lot of things lol
DarkLordVincent 1 year ago
OK... I've got an argument with some pompous moron on youtube who thinks that the Welsh didn't invent the longbow. He also becomes very annoyed at anyone who corrects him. Just to make sure I'm right... did the Welsh invent the longbow?
celticbattleaxe 1 year ago
@celticbattleaxe they did not no
lordtoad16 1 year ago
@lordtoad16 OK, now I'm confused - who the #$%^ invented it?
celticbattleaxe 1 year ago
@celticbattleaxe
It originated in Scandinavia I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly where in Scandinavia but it was first made there the British and other Europeans just refined the bow to make it what it was
lordtoad16 1 year ago
@lordtoad16 longbow just means the bow is long.... -________- scandanavians didnt invent it.. any caveman could have made a longer bow
lifes40123 1 year ago
@lifes40123 No there is a certain way of making bows a long bow is made in one of these certain ways!
You canno't just throw a bunch of sticks and vine together and make one!
And scadanavians did i'm afraid lol.
lordtoad16 1 year ago
@lifes40123 yes u could make a long bow from 3 meter only kinda hard to move with and shoot with ...
isisrufus 1 year ago
@lordtoad16 The bow was invented before any person set food on Skandinavia. Therefore it can be ruled out that the bow was invented in Skandinavia.
Freakbrain1 1 year ago
@celticbattleaxe It was from the Welsh that the English got the idea.This was during
one of Edward III "sorties",the story goes that an English knight was pinned to his horse when an arrow passed through the mail on his leg,then through his leg,the mail on the other side and into his horse.As you can imagine,this impressed all who saw it,and king Edward decided to adopt the longbow. The English did improve on it,and the great war bow was born.
TheGuitarhawk 1 year ago
he aint young and his body can take tat shit
dodoboy1212 1 year ago
At last french won.... and the destruction on villages sent the message to the french people; "look, the english destroy your homes, so you can start to hate us". And so it was.
brakaponter 1 year ago
@CgTvShow The Vikings used a similar bow, but it lacked the same draw weight which made the Welsh/English longbow so powerful. The Vikings made their bows very similar to the English, but there was a slight difference with the type of tree they used and where they cut the tree to take the bow from it.
Johtas1 1 year ago
hahaha english brave man hahaha!
OldSnakeKonovesis 1 year ago
nice shot at the start
16Canadian 1 year ago
English mediaeval army never tasted armour and rage of islamic Ottoman turkish army...they could fall under Ottoman Empire pretty easy, and this is the reason cause Englishmen are impressed by ''shine'' of Ottoman empire more than other Europeans,they didn't taste the steel and pain. Also longbow is widespreaded across the Europe not only in England, except East and South East Europe where composite bows were often using beside wooden longbows.Englishmen always lived at right time&right place.
MrSnorreke 1 year ago
@MrSnorreke Sorry, but the longbow was only ever used in england, and only ever used by Welshmen and Englishmen, who had to be trained from quite an early age to develop the muscles to use the longbow. No other country in Europe used the longbow, as the training took too long.
Johtas1 1 year ago
@Johtas1 you gottarespect the english inthat they trained for nearly a decade to get those soldiers good at what they were doing.
lifelessperson1993 1 year ago
@lifelessperson1993 Aye, you can see physical proof in the strength it took in the skeletons of English and welsh longbowmen. When they brought the Mary Rose up (King Henry 8th's flagship), they could tell who the archer's were because their spines were slightly twisted from the strain of the longbow and their right shoulders showed evidence of huge muscular development.
Johtas1 1 year ago
Historicaly, English longbow was never been used on horseback and it was never intended so.
phadil 2 years ago
@phadil As i know some mediaeval illustration depict mounted archers with longbow during the Crusades though it wasn't common.
MrSnorreke 1 year ago
versionintegrale ? FUCK OFF.
Ohiobushman72 2 years ago
People, people, the whole thing is not saying the English INVENTED the bow, rather that we REFINED the Longbow. Developed and advanced it's design, polished it and used the end, superior product to win many battles.
JemmetGK 2 years ago 31
@JemmetGK The long bow was far from a superior bow. It was popular because it was cheap and easy to build.
PrimitiveByNature 1 year ago
@PrimitiveByNature
OK...
Then who's bow would you have considered superior?
I can think of only one that may have come close...
'Course it also had to have a horse at full tilt to make it as powerful.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@JemmetGK lol, I'm going to assume you are either kidding or you have no idea what you are talking about. A composite bow not only shoots faster but it's also easier to use and more versatile. Not to mention a composite bow can be kept strung while lonbows can't. A lonbow is primitive technology compared to a composite bow such as what the mongolians used. I would love to see you try to shoot a longbow off the back of a horse. Speed and mobility alone makes composite bows superior
PrimitiveByNature 1 year ago
@PrimitiveByNature
Yes, modern day compound bows are nice and shiney and thanks to the technology ANYONE can shoot, no skill or care required. Rather like a modern firearm, anyone can pick one up, point and shoot--not much difference.
A "primative" longbow takes learning, skill, practice to shoot well, a commitment to the art. A longbow is a labour of love, hand crafted, and cared for.
A compound bow, well, all the art is manufactured out at the factory.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@PrimitiveByNature
Oh, and I didn't mean to shoot a longbow from a horse you twatter. I was referring to the Mongolian Horsebow was the only other bow I can think of that came close to the power of an English Longbow.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@JemmetGK Well I'm not sure why you are ranting and raving about compound bows. I assumed with your expertise on bows you would have known the difference between a composite bow and a compound bow but apparently not. Yes a long bow does require a lot of skill and practice but what does that have to do with your argument that the longbow is a superior bow?
PrimitiveByNature 1 year ago
@PrimitiveByNature
Where you wrote "composite" I read "compound". My error.
But you still haven't answered my question: What bow do you consider superior to the English Longbow of the age depicted in this video?
The composite is a style of bowmaking, not a specific bow. I asked you to cite a specific bow from the era. Or if you can't, shut your pie hole.and go back to chanting "qumebya" in your little teepee.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@JemmetGK Yes I can see how you were confused because I only wrote it 3 times in one paragraph right? Now that you googled composite bow it should be pretty fucking obvious which bow I'm talking about retard. 100 years war??? were you fighting the mongols?? "Intelligent superiors"?? this coming from a clown that dresses up as star trek characters when it's not even halloween. lmao GO HARD RETARD!!!!!
PrimitiveByNature 1 year ago
@JemmetGK cont..... You're basing your opinion on 1 single aspect(which is wrong BTW) instead of coming to a conclusion after taking in to account all aspects of a product. The longbow is and was a great bow but it was not a superior bow in it's time. The longbow was more powerful?? WTF?? where do u get your facts? You should stick to things you know about like star trek and whatever other geeky things you're into
PrimitiveByNature 1 year ago
@PrimitiveByNature
My opinion is based from many long years of experience in shooting many styles of traditional bows from all over the globe. I've been shooting with longbows since long before Trek came out so don't bring that into it.
My facts are based on history, how the hell else did we prove so succesful during the 100 Years War?
YOU need to go back to your speculation on the primitive, pre-civilized living and leave the civilized refining of tools to your inteligent superiors.
JemmetGK 1 year ago
@PrimitiveByNature If you knew a half-cent about bows in general you would know that historically asian hornbows were left UNSTRUNG and stored in heatboxes to RETAIN their RECURVED shape increasing their speed -NO ARCHER leaves his bow strung because that would intially lose his cast and composite bows shot ligheter weaker arrows which had less energy than the slower, heavier arrows of the warbow.
minxel16 10 months ago
@minxel16 I didn't mean they left them strung 24/7 I meant they could be strung in the morning ready to go while on the march etc. while longbows were left unstrung until right before the battle. Without giving you a physics lesson lets just say that speed makes up for the weight of an arrow and the difference in kinetic energy is negligable. If you knew a half-cent about archery you would know that smart ass.
PrimitiveByNature 10 months ago
@PrimitiveByNature ahem...without a physics lesson how about this: KE=1/2mv^2 which means according to arrows weight 1000 grains has around 150jouoles whereas 300grain one from a horsebow has only 50joules which is a lot of difference if you're shooting armour. If you really knew a half-cent then you would know generally in archery momentum is more important as that determines how FAR and arrow will pierce eg. momentum=mass x velocity
minxel16 9 months ago
@minxel16 nice numbers did you pick those out of a hat and what is the velocity you're using? Seems pretty random to me. Besides you have to be able to hit the target for it to matter and it's pretty tough to hit anything with a war bow which is why they used them in large numbers in open fields. Composites had way more versatility and when used by a skilled horseman they were superior to clunky oversized war bows, not to mention the ease of training.
PrimitiveByNature 9 months ago
@PrimitiveByNature If you think you're so clever-why didn't you try out the equation a 1000grain arrow and 300 grain arrow-put them in the equationr. The warbow will pretty much always have double the energy as long as you use reliable units. If you don't know jack about velocity for archery then it is measured in feet per second or fps-convert that into metres per second. Warbows are actually more accurate since a recurve- limb twist which puts arrow off target. Longer limbs mean more accuracy
minxel16 9 months ago
@minxel16 Wow. Where is it written in stone that certain bows always shoot certain weighted arrows? Apparently you didn't unserstand my last comment, where did you get the weights and how the fuck am I supposed to use the equation without a velocity????? Should I just make up numbers like you do? I also respect the fact that the warbow was was more effective for what it was used for(large numbers of them vs large formations) but you can't say the warbow is superior based on that alone.
PrimitiveByNature 9 months ago
@PrimitiveByNature Limb twist-if you don't know is when you've got a highly recurved bow and it slightly twists randomly at full draw meaning the arrow can be put off but warbows are perfectly elliptical and have little recurve so shoot straighter at all distances. If you weren't so ignorant you would have realised that warbows are truly mighty-I respect both bows and love to wield them but I also respect their differences which you seem too ignorant to do so
minxel16 9 months ago
@minxel16 You are taking a narrow minded approach in your comparison instead of analyzing the multitudes of other factors and situations. Is the warbow superior when used in large numbers against large formations on an open battlefield? yes. Does that mean it's a superior bow? no. In fact you can't even compare the two unless you are comparing 1 vs1 in the numerous factors such as ease of use, formations, available materials, the enemy, mobility, accuracy at certain distances, etc. etc. etc.
PrimitiveByNature 9 months ago
@PrimitiveByNature If you have read my comments I have said no bow is 'superior' -maybe your seeing things. I am not comparing a linear battle situation either, but am just telling you that physically, the warbow had stronger power-thats ALL. Yes of course battle strategy is of utmost importance regardless of arms armour and numbers. Accuracy would be same at all distances with my quoted range since bowmen didn't bother to go through six types of arrows every battle wave.
minxel16 9 months ago
Isaac Asimov did an essay "The Unsecret Weapon" on how and when the English got the longbow from the Welsh - worth reading if you can find it
franl155 2 years ago
Must find a copy,I love Longbows and the books of Asimov.
elswick1542 2 years ago
i've tried a search, found out at least what book it's in "The sun shines bright" - ou might be able to find it online, hope so, if you do, let me know!
franl155 2 years ago
why don't they tell people longbows were invented in wales not england
jaskamakkara 2 years ago 3
They go further back, too. The Vikings, Japanese, Egyptians, Indians, and American and African tribes all had forms of longbow
Tareltonlives 2 years ago
Oh. Why is it then said that the wales came upp with the longbow? was it a special sort of longbow?
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
The Welsh were the people who most commonly used the Longbow in Europe, and Wales was where the English adopted it from after Edward I witnessed their devastating power. Welsh subject troops and mercenaries would be used for generations due to their skill at the longbow.
Tareltonlives 2 years ago
Hence the famous name "Welsh Bowman"
phadil 2 years ago
cant we come together and become friends? all of the world needs to unite against the one threat....america!!!
versionintegrale 2 years ago
i don't really know what to say.
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
loool soo true dude, i my self use the mongolian bow, but still respect the long bow :)
Shazidur07 2 years ago
Riders used compositum, recurved bows, like the "gawddamen" mongolians^^ 200lbs? aaargh, i have problems with 45 lbs... thx god, for powder and crossbows... and toxins^^
TheMrFizz 2 years ago
5tonyvvvv, why'd you think yew is all gone? Good yew is expensive, but it's there, look for oregon, or alpine yew on e-bay. It's there, but pricy. I generally make my bows out of ash, or hickory, but would love to get my hands on some osage or good yew.
I think medieval bows ranged from aprox; 90lb to 200+lb as the extreme minimum and maximum. They were phased out because of the training required to make a warbowman, rather than a lack of power, though the advent of heat treated plate also hurt
APDurrant 2 years ago 2
OMG 200 lb is the weight of a UFC light heavy weight fighter, pulling that back with 1 hand would take ron coleman like strength
rozuell 2 years ago
There's a reason you had to train for five years before they let you in the army.
CountArtha 2 years ago
did they use mounted longbowmen?
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
for parts of campaings, yesthey did, this was very rare in the western world unlike where it was common in the east with the mongols. wotch the rest of the parts to this episode and you see him on a horse
ishotthesherifswife 2 years ago
yew is all gone,elm and hickory,make great longbows
5tonyvvvv 2 years ago
ash is also a good wood but i prefer wood
hatstalker 2 years ago
how many episodes are there in this seiriese?
archery75689 2 years ago
To archery75689; did you not READ the title for this video?
JemmetGK 2 years ago
Truly admirable series, although I think most people tend to overemphasize the role of longbow in middle ages. I consider crossbows the true "levellers" when it comes to killing armored foes (knights particulary).
Versus1984 2 years ago
depends on the circumstances and task ,the crossbow is pretty sensible to wetness and was more effective for sharpshooting and plate-amor.longbows were cheaper and good for massive attacks.a big point about effiency of weapons and their roles in history is also their price and the production..
deichbeat 2 years ago
Well, I don't know if longbows were that cheaper than crossbows. As far as I understood from these series, there were considerable amount of craftsmanship involved in making these bows, and the men who were supposed to used them had to be trained for quite a few years before learning to use these weapons properly. That adds up to the general price of the "archer" as military unit compared to the crossbowman :).
Versus1984 2 years ago
an example :edward longshanks forced his peasants to train with the longbow each sunday.
this explains the cheapness and training i guess.
but i also have no doubt that a crossbow is the better weapon in a middle or short range..
deichbeat 2 years ago
So how is it smartass from one unit of English longbowmen u can get 600 arrows fired in a single minute which means 100 arrows in the air within 10 seconds which will fall down on the slow and clumbsy french crossbowmen with extreme vengence and massacre them. ehh? go back to school
DannyJamesRead 2 years ago
Well Danny I'll tell you how. First of all normal bows, have much less penetrating power than crossbows when it comes to armor. That means, that an arrow fired from a bow, has much less the chance to pierce a plate armor than a crossbow bolt. English longbows were fine, dont get me wrong - but they weren't THAT powerfull, they were hard to produce and a skilled longbowman takes several years to train properly. On the other hand, any toug or skumbag could be dragged out of his borthel...
Versus1984 2 years ago
...and could be turned into a crossbowman much faster. English archers were indeed one hell of a soldiers but their role in medieval warfare is quite confined to the 100 years war. On the other hand crossbowman were largely used by virtually everyone in Europe from the early middle ages, and well into the gunpowder age. In conclusion firepower and mass-production (crossbow) beats range and speed (longbow). Then again I could be wrong, but judging from your reaction and spelling, you wont be...
Versus1984 2 years ago
Have you any idea how many long bows they found on the Mary Rose?
gamesbok 2 years ago
a bit more than a hundred. And your point is...?
Versus1984 2 years ago
...the one to prove it...Bitch ;).
Versus1984 2 years ago
And in conclusion, I would recommend that you read some literature on the subject you are so keen to discuss, such as "Medieval warfare" by Helen J. Nicholson, and page 99 in particular :), they have it on Google books.
Kind regards, sir Nicolas of Dacia.
Versus1984 2 years ago
i'd hate to mess wiith this guy, his age may be deceiving but he'll kill me...
magemager0 2 years ago
awesome video. bad framerate though
mozart237 2 years ago 7
Quite good, but have you seen 'LONGBOW OZ VI' ... he makes a bow in 5 minutes then shoots a dangerous critter in the bollocks. You couldn't make it up !
loki1066 3 years ago
Mike loades is so awsome.We should send him back in time to save the roman empire or something.
fixdeluxe1 3 years ago
he said 14 000 not 40 000...
sirseigan 3 years ago
that guy is talking with passion.
But wait, he said that the army consisted of 40 000 men. Then he says "half of them where archers, in fact 7 1/2 have thousands were arches", ähm 40k/2=20k not 7.5k right? xD
WuschelofDespair 3 years ago
He said 14,000 not 40,000
Rombizio 3 years ago
he said 14,000 not 40,000
KnightOfTheWolves 3 years ago
dont ride on a horse with a longbow!!!!
Use the asian smaller bows for that!!
futtethedog 3 years ago
Well you can see that Mike Loades shows it's possible to use a longbow from a horse. And would you be surprised to know that the Japanese used longbows in their horse archery known as Yabusame?
Kisk79 3 years ago 3
When you see a Japanese bow, it's not so surprising.
The shape it has shows that it was designed with horsemanship in mind.
relentlesssinner90 2 years ago
That's for sure, but I was directing that question to futtethedog because he was saying not to use a longbow on a horse.
A yumi bow could be just as long as an English longbow, but it's the way it's designed meant they didn't have to use a Mongol horse bow.
Kisk79 2 years ago
In terms of stopping power the Yumi is no Welsh/English Longbow though.
The Mongol-Turkic Hornbows were superior on horseback to anything the Japanese had also.
relentlesssinner90 2 years ago 2
thats not a bow for shooting riding a horse
boromirgondorian 3 years ago
english archers of crecy? they where welsh archers at crecy lying bugger! lol
morgs456 3 years ago
You are right ;) They were Welsh and fought for England.Crossbowmen in France were from Switzerland and Italy.
perran1881 3 years ago 2
i didnt know that, french crosbow men where swiss? lol learn something everyday :)
morgs456 3 years ago
The crossbowmen, mercenaries fighting for France were paid to fight against the Englishmen, most of them were Swiis and Italian...but there also were french crossbowmen lol.
There also were english bowmen, not only Welsh who fought against the knight of my country :P. It was told that there were so many arrows in the sky that we could have thought it was snowing in August lol. English have always been the master of war.
perran1881 3 years ago 2
i dont think id agree with the english being masters of war they always seem to know who to deploy though, most of their history theyve used ghurkas scots welsh or irish soldiers
morgs456 3 years ago
You are right, they "employed" Irish, Welsh, Scots...but unfortunately, if you see History, Canada is an example, they fought the French again.Canada was French and it only remains one little french speaking part: Québec State. Maybe we could conclude that we were really bad at war lol.
I guess you are welsh or Irish... I've also have a little reject towards British Colonialism.
But I have to underline that they were great fighters with great discipline.
perran1881 3 years ago 2
yea im welsh, not a massive fan of the english gocerment either lol, yea i agree they where good at warfare, but again if you look at one of the most revered generals in english history, wellington, he was anglo irish by birth though he would never admit it and the irish hate him hahha,
morgs456 3 years ago
Yes, and we (the vikings from Norway) went on a vacation and raped the war masters? ;)
hooleraboy 3 years ago
U are not allowed to call urself a viking. I bet u can't even fight with a sword a shield :P
amerrycanpie 3 years ago
Tried to reply to hooleraboy but... youtube sucks
amerrycanpie 3 years ago
He's a Norwegian... probably too busy running for the hills because some angry Germans are coming.
Viking my ass!
relentlesssinner90 2 years ago
i'm from the uk.. did'nt the norwegians single handedly stop the nazi's from making a nuke???? u do know about telemark don't u. i hate it when really stupid knobs like u try an judge others that you don't know.
marcanchucky 2 years ago 3
Well, by that time, the English archers began to adopt the English weapon. In the conquest of Wales, Edward I made sure that as many men as possible used longbows. Still, the best longbowmen were still Welsh and as Wales became integrated with England, longbows were found all over Great Britain (even the Scots!)
Tareltonlives 2 years ago
I wonder if the bows used by the Indians and Egyptians counted as longbows, or were they simply oversized composite bows that traded complexity for size.
Tareltonlives 3 years ago
The longbow has a very good reputation...
The traditional hungarian bow is stronger and more easy-to-use.
The longbow is a simple peace of wood, compare to hungarian bow which is a handicraft, multipart, containing wood, bones, sinew etc. and much older then the longbow... thousands years old.
But it was just a quiet comment in this loud, noisy anglo-saxon world.. :)!
lofaszt 3 years ago
How is this program called? I bet he has a series or something.
BennoTheDutch 3 years ago
The Mongol Hornbow was superior, but took much longer to make. They wouldn't of been able to produce as much Mongol bows as they could the Welsh/English Longbow.
relentlesssinner90 3 years ago 2
according to sources it says this about it: "Highly-reflexed bows are more difficult to string and may reverse themselves suddenly; they have seldom been used for hunting or for war."
Maverick5588 3 years ago
he mentions agiencourt but not poiters and crecey.
madmanninc 3 years ago
Hmmmm Edward like most of the English Aristo's was Norman/French spoke French and lived according to French custom, this was a war between a Norman/French King and a French King over who would control France. For Edward England was a great place to raise armies and tax, that was about it. I love the way modern nations try to lay claim to the old aristo's, as if they have something in common. They were a race apart, to imagine the King of England was anything but self serving is ridiculous.
merocaine 3 years ago
lol it was the 14th century england was beyond norman/french..since the normans and the saxons had integrated.
matt2house 3 years ago
Yes ....... we english perfected it and made if effective
ulliboll 3 years ago 6
lol we Chinese made the crossbow before the English ever even thought of it =) but the longbow soo cool
Acornoa 3 years ago 6
Yeah But The Crossbow Was Shit, It Took Ages To Reload, A Chinese Man Would Look Like A Headgehog Before He Could Shoot A Bolt
stanman1000 3 years ago
Then y did the english use it?
Acornoa 3 years ago
The English Used The Crossbow Because It Was Far Eaisier To Train A Crossbowman Than It Took To Fully Train A Longbowman.
stanman1000 3 years ago 7
That's right. Any knuckle-head can squeeze a trigger...
goatwacker 3 years ago
@stanman1000 ugh no you have your histor mixed up it was the french who used the crossbow and the english used the long bow the english could fire 3 arrows as apposed to 1 of the french
TheWarrior400 1 year ago
i feel like calling you dumb but you probably dont know that the chinese had a different crossbow. the chu ko nu(repeating crossbow)the machine gun of those days
KaoruFuma 3 years ago
too bad it sucked. lousy strength and inaccurate.
Maverick5588 3 years ago
It was for close range-the automatic pistol of the ancient world
Tareltonlives 3 years ago
depends on the circumstances but in most cases your right ya.
Maverick5588 3 years ago
Thing is, the crossbow could put out a solid wall of fire due to its flat trajectory, so it could stop a charge. Whereas a bow had to fire in an arc over on top of the enemy and so left the archers exposed
woggyD 3 years ago
you prefected nothing big head the welsh used it prefectly well they were just always hopelessly outnumbered for it to be as effective
jameproudfoot 3 years ago
romans occupied wales before the english and brought with them auxillary bowmen,viking,africans and korea/japanese had longbow.engish adopted the longbow and perfected it,argincourt a perfect example of this.
awarrior76 3 years ago 2
It was a hunting bow imported from scandinavia
kratos1590 3 years ago
scandanavians couldn't even draw it!
madmanninc 3 years ago
Felix0nubi there is living proof the welsh invented it try reading up on it nd no the english didnt perfect they stole it
ostrogoth182 3 years ago
Correction, the design of the 'longbow' goes back much further than the English or welsh. The ice man 'Otzi' who was found intact in the alps and a least 5000 years old carried a bow almost identical to those found on the Mary Rose. In truth it is not English or Welsh, it goes back to pre history. We call it an English Longbow in relation to the adoption of it by the English armies of the late middle ages and it is very true to say that many Welsh men fought in those armies.
Epictetus2012 3 years ago 2
It is perfectly true that the medieval longbow design is ancient, but the welsh were highly skilled with the longbow, and were probably better than the english archers.
GamiNoOni 3 years ago
They might have been mighty with it, but I doubt they took it at the level of tradition that the English have... It's just a matter of politics I guess :P
darksaiyan2006 3 years ago
They did steal it. They saw how effective the Longbow was first hand, used in that great medieval tradition, the Welsh ambush. Thusly impressed, the Longbow was introduced slowly but surely into England, used on a scale seemingly unthought of by the Welsh kingdoms. I'd say that yes, in the later parts of the 14th, 15th and indeed 16th centuries the English of certain regions were of a higher skill than many of their Welsh neighbours; if only because they were bound by law to practice regularly.
JusticiarVolchak 3 years ago 3
As a matter of fact the heavy warbow is ancient technology. The Iceman carried one, as well as the Germanic tribes in their battles against Rome. The Vikings made good use of it. But the Welsh and than the English showed the world its true potential on the battlefield, with ever stronger warbows and better tactics.
Felix0nubi 3 years ago 2
has he got a 60 inch bow
westy2145 3 years ago
ok its called the Welsh longbow no the english longbow we the Welsh invented it
ostrogoth182 3 years ago
Yup... but the English perfected it :D
Douglas1102 3 years ago 3
Did you have something to do with it? No.
joesadick 3 years ago
the scandinavium vikings did have the frist longbow no england
lakotadak 3 years ago
the english were brutish haha the french king obviously met the border clans of scotland!
scotsman5678 3 years ago
a lot of what this man dose is rong to start of the long bows were around any think for 90 to 200lbs 13th centry they could very easly kill a knight and the arrows changed as the armour got better all so not many had the best armour, a air cannon we are not told how much lbs is behind it not to meansion that no 1 that has use the bow for years shoot at the target he use's to say what a arrow storm will do
scottaylor111 3 years ago
'...change the face of war on medieval battlefield...' One comment: LOL
Of course its true for Btitain and France, but we cant saying that things about all world or even Europe. Its incredible ignorance... its sad, but typical english ignrance...
Razoslav 3 years ago
no no no, the longbow has determined the end of the supremacy of the chivalry in favor of the infantry and the light weapons of launch that in the 1600-1700 have evolved in the fire-arms, and this change has happened all over the world, with the longbow the face of war has changed, whit it they understood that the chivalry wasn't invicible...
Skioppi 3 years ago
The Euro LongBows were the strongest bows!!!
Roman55Legions 4 years ago
Actually it was called the English Longbow, but they weren't the strongest. The strongest were the recurve composite bow of Mongolia.
Kisk79 3 years ago
i heard they were excelent for horse archery, but they did not have the power nor the accuracy of the english longbow, but they were a lot more faster i heard
nielsdejong 3 years ago 2
They certainly had the power as a longbow, but they did so without making such a large bow. In effect, a flat bow is superior in design to a long bow, the only reason Europe and particularly England started using them was because they were far easier to produce in mass quantities.
Kisk79 3 years ago
i think you are wrong on that matter. if im not mistaken they did not have the power of a longbow, the compisite bow when recurved was far more compact and therefor it was much easier to use on horseback.
however when compared to a normal selfbow it was almost at the same level.
although very practical it could never reach the power nor accuracy of the welsch bows.
nielsdejong 3 years ago 2
Estimates show that the Mongol horse bow has a comparative draw weight as that of the longbow. (90-180 lbs)However the Mongol bow has a greater range,(320-350 Yards) compared with the English longbow's maximum range of 250 yards. So it has this over the longbow in that it has greater range, equal power, smaller (making it easier to use in tight places and on horseback. And any archer will tell you that you cannot guarantee a hit on an individual target at more than 80 yards with any bow.
Kisk79 3 years ago
yet at that time the english also had recurve bows, which they used on horse back just like they saw the arabs do in the crusades, there were some prominent archers among the warriors and rich too, if the recurve does have better reach like you state, then why did many still use the longbow?
nielsdejong 3 years ago