Death to smokers! At least smoke something good, like pot. Most of these addicts have built up tolerances so that they don't even get a buzz anymore, yet the smoke like chimney stacks. A couple of years ago my state had a ballot initiative to raise taxes on cigarette packs by 5 cents, and I was talking about it to my friend when he was buying smokes, some guy in line behind us argued with me that "taxes are a bad thing", that's when I realized people don't deserve freedom, tax em 100%!
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.
All initiation of force is a violation of someone else's rights, whether initiated by an individual or the state, for the benefit of an individual or group of individuals, even if it's supposed to be for the benefit of another individual or group of individuals.
Bullies? It was getting so bad that their was this video of people actually beating on smokers in parks. I reported them & youtube dumped it. Smoking ban was originated by Hitler & you think that our government would have more sence then to make these bans a law? Who started it by sleeping with or paying off someone in power I have no idea? But it must be stopped! In a prison 3 inmates burned down 3 small buildings inside to lift the ban. It worked! It takes guts but you have to fight it!
@Godzie1 So now you are voicing support for inmates who burn down buildings because of a smoking ban? Post after post, scumbags like you show your true colors. And there will be a fight, you are right. The majority of healthy Americans do not take kindly to inhaling your second hand smoke and soon police will ensure that you addicts will be away from the general public. Keep talking, but that is all you can do. In the end, you will be fined and soon after that, your health will fail. Enjoy.
@preemptivestrike20 Took you this long to figure out what to say? Uhm...every second you live & every breath you take, you are dying... None of us live forever & life is short. But I'm not living my short life listening to your whims of being a asshole. So I say my goodby's now & see you at the gravesite. With that atitude you will make it first because someone will put you there. Just don't hold your breath waiting for me!
@Godzie1 Oh, I am so sorry that I took so long, but unlike you, I have other things to do. Maybe you only smoke and post pro-smoking trash comments. You have no right to shorten anyone's lifespan but your own with your little cigarettes. Understand that and understand it quick, you tar guzzling asshole.
@217ify Thank you (laughing) I like that saying. As far as preemtive? He's an asshole that needs to be ignored! Not wasting any more time or energy on his stupidity!
@preemptivestrike20 LOL all yall geeky ass anti smokers sit behind yalls computer talkin shit, i'm 6'7 300 lbs all muscle, an i'll lite up anywhere i damn well please BOY. Wanna armwrestle and see who's in better shape, mr health guru non smoker? LMAO
@preemptivestrike20 well big talker, if yore wantin proof ill prove it aneytime, you cane meet me four a sancshuned arm wrasslin event too, since yore healthier and all or so you say.
@MzProgressive The above is from Dr. Michael Siegel, referring to the "one whiff death" comments made in the "forward" of former Surgeon General Richard Carmona's "2006 Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Health" - - the "forward" was not "peer reviewed" but his SPECIOUS COMMENT has been promulgated WORLD WIDE by the PR ARMY that IS "tobacco control!"
BTW Richard Carmona was dismissed from his SG post about 2 months after this "Report" was released.
In America, when the majority has once irrevocably decided a question, all discussion ceases--Reason f or this--Moral power exercised by the majority upon opinion--DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICS HAVE APPLIED DESPOTISM TO THE MINDS OF MEN.
Alexis De Tocqueville - Democracy In America (1838)
Absolutely! You'd think we'd have an ally in Obama. But most smokers think they're doing something wrong. The media and the peer pressure have gotten to them. An acquaintance quit smoking recently and now she drinks wine every night. I'd personally be afraid of that. Another old friend of mine quit smoking some years ago. She's now so obese that she can no longer work and she has to drive a half a block to the pool area of her apartment building because she can't walk that far.
@LindaDooWop SMOKERS YOU ARE DOING NOTHING WRONG! (phew I said it!) Now to do a comercial..) lol So right...Obesity is a problem & so is drinking. No one got behind a wheel w/a cigarette & killed anyone. But yet it happens everyday w/drinking & drugs. The world has gone mad & thank God I lived in the days that people were sane.
t is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.
It could be that it's lower among smokers is because smoking is such a great stress reliever, especially these days, because the stress just keeps on getting worse. Sometimes it feels unbearable. Relentless, long-term stress causes all sorts of diseases. Laughter is another great stress reliever, as we all know. Exercise is the other great stress reliever. Another is having a cat!
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.
What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long.
You DO NOT have the right to pollute public air with your idiotic cigarettes. People have the right not to inhale your deadly cigarette smoke. Smoke in the privacy of your house, where the only person affected if YOU. All of you idiots making the case that this is a step towards fascism must be on two packs a day. It's destroying your brain cells.
@preemptivestrike20 Run along little girl. Go hide in the privacy of your own little "fraidy hole" where the world is a perfect place. The grown ups are having a serious discussion here. Thanks.
@MzProgressive Is that the extent of your comment? You offer no counter-point, only idiotic mockery. The little girl here is clear. Now go choke to death on one of your cigarettes that you somehow think you have the right to smoke around non-smokers. Asshole.
@preemptivestrike20 You are being the asshole, ASSHOLE! There was something called polite smoking (which means if you are in a car or a room w/someone that the smoke bothered them you did not light up!) But in fact the media brainwashed people to think..have a cigarette? You will die!) So people went nuts! But to push us out in the cold? It's going to far w/a pack of lies! Too many senior's today alive that smoked since the 50s, 60s & 70s! I'm one of them!
@Godzie1 You aren't going to change my view that smokers have NO RIGHT to blow smoke into the faces of non-smokers. I cannot go outside without some arrogant asshole blowing smoke into my face. It is a violation of my space and a detriment to my health. Again, if you want to slowing kill yourself by smoking, that's fine by me, but DO NOT include me in your disgusting and unhealthy addiction. Smoke yourself to death in private, thanks.
@preemptivestrike20 TSk...tsk...with all that stress & worry about a smoker smoking around you? You must be a great canadate to have high blood pressure because your stress level is too high to be worried about such a trivial cigarette. Chances are that you will be dead long before I am because you don't know how to relax. I bet you will not even make it to my age...(or do you have nightmares about a cigarette chasing you? lol)
@Godzie1 Well said, Godzie! When I was growing up smokers were everywhere! Hell, even my grandparents and great grandmother smoked! We didn't see people dropping like flies all around us from ETS, either! If the ETS scaremongers were telling TRUTH, there would be no "baby boomers" alive today. But tough guy here hasn't got the sense to realize that - like a bunch of spoiled babies Antis just want it all "their way." Maybe he'd like to pay our taxes? Doubt it!
@MzProgressive You are the "spoiled baby" you damned fool. You want the right to smoke your cigarettes anywhere at anytime, even at the expense of other peoples health. You are revolting and you disgust me.
@preemptivestrike20 I don't know a single smoker that thinks we should be allowed to smoke "anywhere at anytime". Unlike you Antismokerw, who insist that everything be 100% your way, we're aware that there are other people in the world. Too bad you're not as enlightened.
@217ify I am devoted to my own opinions, yes. And I am intolerant of people who force me to inhale second hand smoke, yes. This isn't anything to be ashamed of though, so do us a favor and go have a smoke and take a few more hrs off of your lifespan. Thanks.
@MzProgressive You are a smart cookie & like how you think. Unfortunately we live in a world of ignorance & the poor anti's like our friend here has been victims of the brain washing techniques that they used on tv, It's like eating grape jelly every day of your life for decades, then all of a sudden they say "Grape jelly will kill you!" Now you have eaten it & seen you are still alive & well...How can you believe something that you are living proof that it is a lie? Worlds gone mad!
@Godzie1 Thanks for the "cookie" comment Please don't miss my latest posts from Enstrom and Siegel above. Enstrom's 30-year study didn't "conveniently omit" the meta-analysis data that disproved liability lawyer John Banzhaf's ETS claims when he sued in the U.S. District Court ATTEMPTING to get OSHA to declare ETS as a "health hazard!" (1998) And Judge Osteen "called him out" on his "fudged" numbers! So he brought his phony data to the "Court of Public Opinion!" A LIE told often enough ...
@preemptivestrike20 Is that all you have? Mr. "tough guy" military freak? If you are afraid to get a whiff of second hand smoke out in the OPEN Air, you must be a coward. So who's the asshole?
@MzProgressive You are still the asshole. For somehow thinking that you have the right to smoke in public places. Keep your lung cancer to yourself, and believe me, when this law passes, you will get yours for blowing toxins into the faces of non-smokers, especially children. Must children inhale your second hand smoke as well? or are they just cowards? Now go and smoke and stop talking to me, the sooner scum like you drop dead the better.
@preemptivestrike20 Excuse me preemptive, but can you define the word "PUBLIC" for me? Or is the simple use of a dictionary beyond your capacity? (Obviously rational thought or discussion are beyond your scope.)
@MzProgressive Yes, yes, you keep saying the same thing over and over. That I am an idiot and that I don't know what I'm talking about. But you haven't offered any counter-point, you haven't proved me wrong. You haven't justified the idea that smokers should be allowed to smoke in public. I am basically talking to a wall. When I say public, I am talking about areas that contain people who do not wish to be exposed to your cigarette smoke. Trains, buses, parks, sidewalks, restaurants, etc.
@preemptivestrike20 Trains, busses and restaurants are enclosed. No beef there - save for a total prohibition doesn't give 1 in 5 adults the freedom to associate with even EACH OTHER.
You have been PLAYED by some very well-heeled "special interests" if you actually BELIEVE ETS harms your health. Go to scientificintergrityinstituteDOTorg or clearingtheairdotblogspotdotcom for FACTS to name ONLY Two!
@preemptivestrike20 Buses & trains are enclosed. I have no beef over that. But why are there NO restaurants or bars allowed to cater to the 1 in 5 of us who can't even "Associate" with EACH OTHER now??
Answer: It's an agenda in "social engineering" that has NOTHING to do with your Second Hand HEALTH!
See: scientificintegrityinstitute Do t com or cleanairqualityDOTblogspotDO Tcom JUST for STARTS ...then get back to me Your FEAR has been carefully cultivated by "special interests" making big $
@MzProgressive From Dr Enstrom's Scientific Integrity:QUOTE:
Our study found no relation between environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) and tobacco related mortality among never smokers in California, although it did not rule out a small effect. These findings are similar to those of most of the other US studies that have related ETS to lung cancer mortality and coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality.
@MzProgressive ... (CONT'D) These findings are also consistent with the fact that ETS is much more dilute than actively inhaled smoke and the fact that typical exposure to ETS is equivalent to smoking no more than 0.1 cigarettes per day. Active smoking of 0.1 cigarettes per day is not associated with a measurable increase in risk of lung cancer or CHD. END QUOTE This from a man who conducted a 30 year epidemiologic study on the NON SMOKING wives of SMOKING husbands! It's BS pal.
@MzProgressive My biggest pain in the ass ban are Hotels.
2 years ago, my daughter who was 15 at the time & I went to Chicago to see her Dad. We went in & they wanted a $175.00 deposit in case you smoked in the room. I refused to pay it! In fact I took her back to the train station for the next train back home. We never saw her Dad & never went back. Chicago is my hometown but hate how it became. Sad how we smoker's can't even travel anymore because of the bans.
@Godzie1 Is that a Chicago Edict? I've heard the same thing is now operative in Boston. (Effective about 14 mos. ago.) I am so GLAD that WE had walked the "Freedom Trail" and visited Revere's home and grave while smoking was ONLY restricted in bars and restaurants! It is an abomination, IMHO, that the "cradle of the American Revolution" has been soiled by this complete fascist bullshit. Now you can't even light up in a parking garage or bar patio. S E G R E G A T I O N folks, is ILLEGAL!
@Godzie1 Other people use those rooms. You think that you should be allowed to pollute those rooms with your cigarettes? You are a pig with no consideration for anyone. Hopefully you rent a hotel room one day, and the previous occupant leaves you a big brown surprise right under your pillow.
@preemptivestrike20 One I never rent hotel rooms anymore since smoking bans infected them too (plus I love chocolet truffles) & since you granted me such a wish? Then I shall reciprocate and wish for you in the next time you eat in a restaurant that these same people have a gastric attack while you eat.
Anyway don't get too uppity because one day you will cross the wrong smoker & you will feel the pain of more then smoke in your face!
There were "smoking" and "anti-smoking" rooms, which was up to the owner's discretion to provide, as it should be. That was what you all requested at the time; then you weren't even satisfied with that! Just what was wrong with that, pray tell!
There were "smoking" and "non-smoking" rooms, which were up to the owner's discretion to provide, as it should be. That was what you had all requested at the time; then, of course, you weren't even satisfied with that! Just what was wrong with that, pray tell!
Hey, don't you kindred souls see what I'm seeing? We could become multi-millionaires by banding together to establish a chain of hotels or motels with restaurants attached for smokers only. There must be a loophole, for instance, by requiring that patrons become members of a private club for a nominal amount. Many millionaires were made during prohibition. When we're saavy enough to see a demand, we should be astute enough to see the opportunity.
@LindaDooWop Yeah we could make it a private club for smoker's only. I remember in the early 90s when the airplanes banned smoking on flights..There was talk of an airline coming out for smokers only...I wonder what ever happened to that idea? We would need a chain of hotels all over the U.S Just to keep up w/the demand, (Probably even more then that?)
I'm looking into what happened to that airline. I know the one you mean. The reason a "chain" would be such a good idea is because people would be more aware of them, as opposed to scattered hotels with all different names. When there are fortunes to be made, we'd have no trouble getting investors. Furthermore, we'd be doing something we believe in - FREEDOM!
I can see it now, the stock exploding like Intel and coca cola. We're talking about 25% of the people in the world!
@LindaDooWop Some friends in the UK own a private bar in their home that only allows smokers & profits only by donations. But they are making a good buck & it is all legal!
@preemptivestrike20 Billions of children in our history grew up around smokers. I did & now I'm old (how did that happen?) Why are their millions of baby boomers that lived around smokers & smoked themselves in the 50s 60s & on still alive today collecting Social Security checks & not a damn thing wrong w/them? Give me a answer..
They are living breathing evidence that your bullshit are lies!
@LindaDooWop No one is prohibiting cigarettes, so your comparison to prohibition does not make sense. The argument is that you do not have the right to include unwilling participants into your smoking habits. In other words, you do not have the right to blow smoke into other people's faces!
Nobody's prohibiting cigarettes YET! Prohibiting smoking outside is ridiculous when the pollution caused by cars is so much worse! Also, for a privately owned business, the choice to be smoking or non-smoking should belong to the owner. Nobody is forcing anyone to go there. Furthermore, nobody is saying that people can't choose to be much more considerate, smokers and non'smokers alike. A a civilized person wouldn't dream of blowing smoke in anyone's face.
@LindaDooWop What a poor argument in favor of smoking in public and ruining everyone else's health! Smokers do not have to literally blow smoke into a persons face in order to affect their health. Second hand smoke is unavoidable for us non-smokers because of the inconsiderate smokers. They could care less where their fume of toxins heads for. This is a public health issue and I look forward to the fines smokers will be faced with for smoking in public. Inhale your death sticks at home, slobs!
@preemptivestrike20 Just because you've given up on your health by adopting this disgusting habit doesn't give you the right to adversely affect the health of non smokers! Again, smoke at home all you want, smoke yourself to death, just don't do it in public around non smokers!
No, they're not completely prohibited yet, but do you really think that's not coming?
It's use is prohibited almost everywhere and still encroaching on us as we speak. Then more pleasures will be added to the agenda to ban, mark my words.
The point of the quote in this context is that we don't care about your approval because you're no fun to socialize with anyway with your preaching, nagging, self-righteous, holier-than thou superiority. You're not perfect either.
@LindaDooWop You do not have the right to smoke near me in a public place. You'd better get that through your head. Because I do not give you the approval to damage my health. Soon the law will protect the public from your disgusting smoking habit. Socialize and have fun with your fellow addicts and slobs, and stay away from the rest of us, especially children. And no, non smokers aren't perfect, but we sure as hell are above smokers, who could care less who inhales their poisonous cigarettes.
When cars are finally banned, I'm sure you won't feel guilty for the rest of your life for subjecting innocent children to your car's toxic fumes, you hypocrite! The toxicity is on a much grander scale than cigarettes could ever be!
Its true that America is becoming a facist state. The smoking ban was just the beginning. As was said, they are telling us what to eat and not to eat or drink and prescribing excessive excercise which will take a toll on the body as a person ages. It's even affect the young. It's also causing people to form obsessions and anxieties over anything that the media tells them is wrong or right. Of course they still don't penalize drinkers or precription drug users which can be much more harmful.
You're absolutely right, Kindred Soul. It's a fear-based society. Once a week or so I usually turn on the TV for about an hour. It's loaded with one threat after another. The prescription drug commercials are ridiculous. It seems to me that incessant worrying must be detrimental to one's health. Not to mention the fact that people are much easier to control once their spirits are broken.
@LindaDooWop I think you hit the nail on the head Linda. It's all about control and MONEY. People have become so paranoid about shs, which has less dangerous chemicals than a glass of water. Did you know Hitler did not permit smoking in his regime. If one of his SS men lit up he would have him shot dead at that moment. I hate to say it but we are going in the direction of a government which will dictate our every action. Does that sound familiar.
I know Hitler HATED smoking! Thank you for enlightening me about the rest. The A-hole confiscated matches, guns, and cigarettes from the Jews. But he never got the chance to realize the rest of his plan for the whole population. It's a Red Herring too. If Social Engineers distract the masses from the much worse plans they're working on, the latter get too obsessed with that to keep an eye on what's going on right under their noses!
I think you hit the nail on the head Linda. It's all about control and MONEY. People have become so paranoid about shs, which has less dangerous chemicals than a glass of water. Did you know Hitler did not permit smoking in his regime. If one of his SS men lit up he would have him shot dead at that moment. I hate to say it but we are going in the direction of a government which will dictate our every action. Does that sound familiar.
That's really interesting that you mentioned the pushing of prescription drugs. Do you remember in "A Brave New World" the people were drugged to feel however the government wanted them to feel at any given time. Wanton sex was okay, but the people no longer had minds of their own nor the ability to think, because of the constant propaganda and the prescription drugs.
Remember Orwell's 1984? It took a little longer but our country is going in that direction. And you are right about it being a red herring. If the public knew about all the black projects and the big money powers behind our so called government, they wouldn't be so worried about cigarettes and french fries. Since they keep taking away anything that is comforting, the whole country is living on antidepressents and illegal drugs.
You're right! I feel bad for the kids! They don't have carefree fun anymore. No wonder so many get fat or hooked on hard drugs, prescription drugs or alcohol. They're surrounded by killjoys and bombarded by constant guilt and fear-mongerers..
I laughed when I watched the movie, "1984", starring Richard Burton. They puffed away any time they felt like it. Furthermore, NOBODY reacted, like they'd just brutally slaughtered a kitten each time, like they do to smokers!
Just an interesting tidbit that I read about 40 years ago. Did you know that the Turkish POW's were immune to brainwashing during The Korean War? The way this was achieved was by morale builder-upping and laughter. The top men in the hierarchy were trained to encourage hope in their men, and if anything happened to them, it was the responsibility of the next level down. Also, they all made fun of their captors which wasn't hard to do. Humor was their best weapon of all!
Amen! We U.S. citizens were handed a huge bill of goods, and we were naive enough to believe it. We even became a little uppity and smug about it. However, now that the truth has come home to roost, I highly respect the Europeans!
I would love to give that woman in the black suit that was being interviewed, a good ass kicking. This is the worse thing that I have seen in life for the 51 years I have lived. I never knew I was living in a communist country. I will be moving to Nevada, At least they are independent from Nazi law.
Another good state, except for the fact that it's cold, is New Hampshire. People are moving there in droves because of The New Hampshire Free State Project, for folks who still believe in freedom.
Yes, I really am! I have a feeling it will end up being very prosperous there too! Being around like-minded people sounds life great fun! Vegas is such a cool place too!
@LindaDooWop Vegas still has smoking in casinos but not in food areas. :( I hate these bans though & wanting to move to an area who has not been "infected" by them. Maybe I'll see you in New Hampshire. :)
@Godzie1 Sorry to disillusion you Godzie, but even NEW HAMPSHIRE went smoke-free a few years ago!
The HEARTLAND and Texas are the only unconquered frontiers for the "tobacco control" nazis, who feed off our CIGARETTE TAXES (they split every tax hike with your State!), and who are cheered on by the PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES who take a "write off" for every nico-patch they donate to quit lines.
Who do you think started "Tobacco Free Kids?" A Major pharma!
@MzProgressive There are more then 19,000 pissed off smokers out here in the U.S. More like millions. I laugh because 100 years in the future there will still be smokers. Now if all smokers fight back by breaking these stupid laws & light up? The courts be up in arms & Judges will complain then bans will be lifted. But no... Smokers quietly just went outside in the cold! Just like the Jews got on the trains to their deaths. Fight back people!
@Godzie1 You are CORRECT about the power of IGNORING the LAW! The Greeks are doing it, the Dutch are doing it, and the gov't casts a blind eye. In fact the Netherlands just rolled back their law to allow smoking in small "sole proprietor" venues!
@MzProgressive Check out hairychestnuts channel here on youtube. For years he tried to fight Smoking ban laws by getting in touch w/the U.K'S Board of health & other means to get people to fight the bans.
Unfortunatly he himself alone can't fight the antis. He sort of lost it by his fight & has been quiet. Many of us looked up to him & miss his antics on the nazi ways of Ash & other anti smoking groups! Tell him Godzie sent you & to bring back the fight. :)
I like how you leftists project your negative traits and attributes onto those whom you disagree with to make yourselves look like saints. Hitler passed so many smoking bans when he was the dictator of Nazi Germany. Nonsmokers and smokers aren't fascists by and large; it's the people who are such busybodies and the knee-jerk "pass a law, pass a law" type who want to outlaw tobacco, alcohol, trans-fats, ect. who are fascistic IMO. Shouldn't adults be treated like adults and not like babies?
These smoking bans are akin to Adolf Hitler's smoking ban policies in Nazi Germany. These "liberals" don't realize that they're taxing the poor who are most likely to smoke and have the hardest time quitting smoking, but at the same time, they don't want to "tax the poor". It's gonna get to the point to where only the rich will be the only ones able to drink and smoke because of the high prices.
@cocainecafe I don't know why you blame it on the liberals. The whole non-smoking campaign started during the conservative reign. But I do agree with the rest of what you said.
hahaha banning smoking in new york , - cleaner air - i dont think so , now the air will be so much cleaner you can breath all the carbon monoxide from the 400 00 odd cars . australia has already under taken tough non smoing laws and lets just say its a huge debate. how do both countries claim to be of the free , when both are telling us what we can and cant do. , Where paying higer prices , taxes and all the rest of it , is it not our own choice anymore ?
this is just fascism, no wonder. america has always been a fascist country, they keep on looking for new target groups to apply the racism and fascism. P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act, motherfuckers.
Why don't us smoker's sue the United States Government for the patriot act & our right to freedom of choice. Give it back to those Good for nothing liberals. All this should push us to finally fight back. Not just to stand outside in the cold smoking. But the right to have a after dinner cigarette after our meal. If the non-smoking Nazis don't like it. They can kiss our ass.
you can't breath in a smoke filled room even if you smoke the air is aweful when it's full of smokers. tobacco and cotton is one of the reasons they had to have slaves in the United States.
Death to smokers! At least smoke something good, like pot. Most of these addicts have built up tolerances so that they don't even get a buzz anymore, yet the smoke like chimney stacks. A couple of years ago my state had a ballot initiative to raise taxes on cigarette packs by 5 cents, and I was talking about it to my friend when he was buying smokes, some guy in line behind us argued with me that "taxes are a bad thing", that's when I realized people don't deserve freedom, tax em 100%!
SnugglePuma 5 months ago
HAHAHA! "I take a drug called aderal..." You mean prescription speed, you fucking loser!
SnugglePuma 5 months ago
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.
H. L. Mencken
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
All initiation of force is a violation of someone else's rights, whether initiated by an individual or the state, for the benefit of an individual or group of individuals, even if it's supposed to be for the benefit of another individual or group of individuals.
Ron Paul
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
This is not America anymore.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago 2
I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the day he killed himself.
Johnny Carson
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
"He who regulates everything by laws, is more likely to arouse vices than reform them."
-- Spinoza
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
Bullies? It was getting so bad that their was this video of people actually beating on smokers in parks. I reported them & youtube dumped it. Smoking ban was originated by Hitler & you think that our government would have more sence then to make these bans a law? Who started it by sleeping with or paying off someone in power I have no idea? But it must be stopped! In a prison 3 inmates burned down 3 small buildings inside to lift the ban. It worked! It takes guts but you have to fight it!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1 So now you are voicing support for inmates who burn down buildings because of a smoking ban? Post after post, scumbags like you show your true colors. And there will be a fight, you are right. The majority of healthy Americans do not take kindly to inhaling your second hand smoke and soon police will ensure that you addicts will be away from the general public. Keep talking, but that is all you can do. In the end, you will be fined and soon after that, your health will fail. Enjoy.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 Took you this long to figure out what to say? Uhm...every second you live & every breath you take, you are dying... None of us live forever & life is short. But I'm not living my short life listening to your whims of being a asshole. So I say my goodby's now & see you at the gravesite. With that atitude you will make it first because someone will put you there. Just don't hold your breath waiting for me!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1 Oh, I am so sorry that I took so long, but unlike you, I have other things to do. Maybe you only smoke and post pro-smoking trash comments. You have no right to shorten anyone's lifespan but your own with your little cigarettes. Understand that and understand it quick, you tar guzzling asshole.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@Godzie1 Absolutely, assholes like Preemptive don't get it. As the Russians say, "Don't drink or smoke and you'll leave behind a healthy corpse."
217ify 1 year ago
@217ify Thank you (laughing) I like that saying. As far as preemtive? He's an asshole that needs to be ignored! Not wasting any more time or energy on his stupidity!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 LOL all yall geeky ass anti smokers sit behind yalls computer talkin shit, i'm 6'7 300 lbs all muscle, an i'll lite up anywhere i damn well please BOY. Wanna armwrestle and see who's in better shape, mr health guru non smoker? LMAO
CBRADIOLOVER 9 months ago
@CBRADIOLOVER lol, do you even know what a loser you sound like when you play make believe over the internet child. It's bed time for you take care.
preemptivestrike20 9 months ago
@preemptivestrike20 well big talker, if yore wantin proof ill prove it aneytime, you cane meet me four a sancshuned arm wrasslin event too, since yore healthier and all or so you say.
CBRADIOLOVER 9 months ago
"Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."
— Alexis de Tocqueville
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
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From Dr. Michael Siegel - Public Health, Boston
QUOTE
I worked for two years at the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, in the Office on Smoking and Health, which is the office
that usually leads the review of the Surgeon General's Report. ... (cont'd below)
tobaccoanalysis.blogspotDOTcom/2006/06/surgeon-generals-communicationsDOThtml
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MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive ...
The Surgeon General's PRESS RELEASE distorts the science presented in
the report and ends up presenting misleading and inacurate information
to the public ... the Surgeon General is publicly claiming that BRIEF
EXPOSURE to secondhand smoke increases the risk for heart disease and
lung cancer. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE presented in the Surgeon
General's report to support this claim. And certainly, the Surgeon
General's Report draws no such conclusion." emph. added
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive The above is from Dr. Michael Siegel, referring to the "one whiff death" comments made in the "forward" of former Surgeon General Richard Carmona's "2006 Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Health" - - the "forward" was not "peer reviewed" but his SPECIOUS COMMENT has been promulgated WORLD WIDE by the PR ARMY that IS "tobacco control!"
BTW Richard Carmona was dismissed from his SG post about 2 months after this "Report" was released.
MzProgressive 1 year ago
In America, when the majority has once irrevocably decided a question, all discussion ceases--Reason f or this--Moral power exercised by the majority upon opinion--DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICS HAVE APPLIED DESPOTISM TO THE MINDS OF MEN.
Alexis De Tocqueville - Democracy In America (1838)
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
The social engineers need to realize that some of us are immune to being engineered.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
NEXT ELECTION JUST VOTE ALL THE DUMB ASSES OUT OF OFFICE - ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR THE BAN
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop Also kick out the dipshits who keep raising the cigarette taxes! In fact throw them all out & Obama can light up in the Whitehouse.
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1
Absolutely! You'd think we'd have an ally in Obama. But most smokers think they're doing something wrong. The media and the peer pressure have gotten to them. An acquaintance quit smoking recently and now she drinks wine every night. I'd personally be afraid of that. Another old friend of mine quit smoking some years ago. She's now so obese that she can no longer work and she has to drive a half a block to the pool area of her apartment building because she can't walk that far.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop SMOKERS YOU ARE DOING NOTHING WRONG! (phew I said it!) Now to do a comercial..) lol So right...Obesity is a problem & so is drinking. No one got behind a wheel w/a cigarette & killed anyone. But yet it happens everyday w/drinking & drugs. The world has gone mad & thank God I lived in the days that people were sane.
Godzie1 1 year ago
t is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.
– Charles A. Beard
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
Smokers - Sick of being vilified, battered, belittled and MARGINALIZED?
JOIN US! smokers club international d o tcom
We are 19,000 strong and we're ready to FIGHT BACK!
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@pharaoh337
It could be that it's lower among smokers is because smoking is such a great stress reliever, especially these days, because the stress just keeps on getting worse. Sometimes it feels unbearable. Relentless, long-term stress causes all sorts of diseases. Laughter is another great stress reliever, as we all know. Exercise is the other great stress reliever. Another is having a cat!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.
H. L. Mencken
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
A society made up of individuals who were all capable of original thought would probably be unendurable.
H. L. Mencken
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
# None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. – Goethe
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
# The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. – John Hay (1872)
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the day he killed himself
. ~ Johnny Carson
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
I have made it a rule never to smoke more that one cigar at a time.
Mark Twain
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
I never smoked a cigarette until I was nine.
H. L. Mencken
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
The more things are forbidden, the more popular they become.
Mark Twain
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long.
Thomas Sowell
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@pharaoh337
Orwell's double-speak has reared its ugly head regarding "The Land Of The Free".
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
You DO NOT have the right to pollute public air with your idiotic cigarettes. People have the right not to inhale your deadly cigarette smoke. Smoke in the privacy of your house, where the only person affected if YOU. All of you idiots making the case that this is a step towards fascism must be on two packs a day. It's destroying your brain cells.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 Run along little girl. Go hide in the privacy of your own little "fraidy hole" where the world is a perfect place. The grown ups are having a serious discussion here. Thanks.
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive Is that the extent of your comment? You offer no counter-point, only idiotic mockery. The little girl here is clear. Now go choke to death on one of your cigarettes that you somehow think you have the right to smoke around non-smokers. Asshole.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 You are being the asshole, ASSHOLE! There was something called polite smoking (which means if you are in a car or a room w/someone that the smoke bothered them you did not light up!) But in fact the media brainwashed people to think..have a cigarette? You will die!) So people went nuts! But to push us out in the cold? It's going to far w/a pack of lies! Too many senior's today alive that smoked since the 50s, 60s & 70s! I'm one of them!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1 You aren't going to change my view that smokers have NO RIGHT to blow smoke into the faces of non-smokers. I cannot go outside without some arrogant asshole blowing smoke into my face. It is a violation of my space and a detriment to my health. Again, if you want to slowing kill yourself by smoking, that's fine by me, but DO NOT include me in your disgusting and unhealthy addiction. Smoke yourself to death in private, thanks.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 TSk...tsk...with all that stress & worry about a smoker smoking around you? You must be a great canadate to have high blood pressure because your stress level is too high to be worried about such a trivial cigarette. Chances are that you will be dead long before I am because you don't know how to relax. I bet you will not even make it to my age...(or do you have nightmares about a cigarette chasing you? lol)
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1 Well said, Godzie! When I was growing up smokers were everywhere! Hell, even my grandparents and great grandmother smoked! We didn't see people dropping like flies all around us from ETS, either! If the ETS scaremongers were telling TRUTH, there would be no "baby boomers" alive today. But tough guy here hasn't got the sense to realize that - like a bunch of spoiled babies Antis just want it all "their way." Maybe he'd like to pay our taxes? Doubt it!
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive You are the "spoiled baby" you damned fool. You want the right to smoke your cigarettes anywhere at anytime, even at the expense of other peoples health. You are revolting and you disgust me.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 I don't know a single smoker that thinks we should be allowed to smoke "anywhere at anytime". Unlike you Antismokerw, who insist that everything be 100% your way, we're aware that there are other people in the world. Too bad you're not as enlightened.
217ify 1 year ago
@217ify A smoker telling me that I am unenlightened? That's a good one.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 It's also a true one. You're a bigot who needs someone to pick on.
217ify 1 year ago
@217ify I am devoted to my own opinions, yes. And I am intolerant of people who force me to inhale second hand smoke, yes. This isn't anything to be ashamed of though, so do us a favor and go have a smoke and take a few more hrs off of your lifespan. Thanks.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@MzProgressive You are a smart cookie & like how you think. Unfortunately we live in a world of ignorance & the poor anti's like our friend here has been victims of the brain washing techniques that they used on tv, It's like eating grape jelly every day of your life for decades, then all of a sudden they say "Grape jelly will kill you!" Now you have eaten it & seen you are still alive & well...How can you believe something that you are living proof that it is a lie? Worlds gone mad!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1 Thanks for the "cookie" comment Please don't miss my latest posts from Enstrom and Siegel above. Enstrom's 30-year study didn't "conveniently omit" the meta-analysis data that disproved liability lawyer John Banzhaf's ETS claims when he sued in the U.S. District Court ATTEMPTING to get OSHA to declare ETS as a "health hazard!" (1998) And Judge Osteen "called him out" on his "fudged" numbers! So he brought his phony data to the "Court of Public Opinion!" A LIE told often enough ...
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive
I like you. You made me smile, first thing in the morning!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 Is that all you have? Mr. "tough guy" military freak? If you are afraid to get a whiff of second hand smoke out in the OPEN Air, you must be a coward. So who's the asshole?
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive You are still the asshole. For somehow thinking that you have the right to smoke in public places. Keep your lung cancer to yourself, and believe me, when this law passes, you will get yours for blowing toxins into the faces of non-smokers, especially children. Must children inhale your second hand smoke as well? or are they just cowards? Now go and smoke and stop talking to me, the sooner scum like you drop dead the better.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 Excuse me preemptive, but can you define the word "PUBLIC" for me? Or is the simple use of a dictionary beyond your capacity? (Obviously rational thought or discussion are beyond your scope.)
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive Yes, yes, you keep saying the same thing over and over. That I am an idiot and that I don't know what I'm talking about. But you haven't offered any counter-point, you haven't proved me wrong. You haven't justified the idea that smokers should be allowed to smoke in public. I am basically talking to a wall. When I say public, I am talking about areas that contain people who do not wish to be exposed to your cigarette smoke. Trains, buses, parks, sidewalks, restaurants, etc.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
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@preemptivestrike20 Trains, busses and restaurants are enclosed. No beef there - save for a total prohibition doesn't give 1 in 5 adults the freedom to associate with even EACH OTHER.
You have been PLAYED by some very well-heeled "special interests" if you actually BELIEVE ETS harms your health. Go to scientificintergrityinstituteDOTorg or clearingtheairdotblogspotdotcom for FACTS to name ONLY Two!
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 Buses & trains are enclosed. I have no beef over that. But why are there NO restaurants or bars allowed to cater to the 1 in 5 of us who can't even "Associate" with EACH OTHER now??
Answer: It's an agenda in "social engineering" that has NOTHING to do with your Second Hand HEALTH!
See: scientificintegrityinstitute Do t com or cleanairqualityDOTblogspotDO Tcom JUST for STARTS ...then get back to me Your FEAR has been carefully cultivated by "special interests" making big $
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive From Dr Enstrom's Scientific Integrity:QUOTE:
Our study found no relation between environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) and tobacco related mortality among never smokers in California, although it did not rule out a small effect. These findings are similar to those of most of the other US studies that have related ETS to lung cancer mortality and coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality.
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive ... (CONT'D) These findings are also consistent with the fact that ETS is much more dilute than actively inhaled smoke and the fact that typical exposure to ETS is equivalent to smoking no more than 0.1 cigarettes per day. Active smoking of 0.1 cigarettes per day is not associated with a measurable increase in risk of lung cancer or CHD. END QUOTE This from a man who conducted a 30 year epidemiologic study on the NON SMOKING wives of SMOKING husbands! It's BS pal.
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive My biggest pain in the ass ban are Hotels.
2 years ago, my daughter who was 15 at the time & I went to Chicago to see her Dad. We went in & they wanted a $175.00 deposit in case you smoked in the room. I refused to pay it! In fact I took her back to the train station for the next train back home. We never saw her Dad & never went back. Chicago is my hometown but hate how it became. Sad how we smoker's can't even travel anymore because of the bans.
Godzie1 1 year ago
In fact I could not even have a cigarette on the passenger station train tracks & thats outside?
(That don't make sence?)
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1 Is that a Chicago Edict? I've heard the same thing is now operative in Boston. (Effective about 14 mos. ago.) I am so GLAD that WE had walked the "Freedom Trail" and visited Revere's home and grave while smoking was ONLY restricted in bars and restaurants! It is an abomination, IMHO, that the "cradle of the American Revolution" has been soiled by this complete fascist bullshit. Now you can't even light up in a parking garage or bar patio. S E G R E G A T I O N folks, is ILLEGAL!
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@Godzie1 Other people use those rooms. You think that you should be allowed to pollute those rooms with your cigarettes? You are a pig with no consideration for anyone. Hopefully you rent a hotel room one day, and the previous occupant leaves you a big brown surprise right under your pillow.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 One I never rent hotel rooms anymore since smoking bans infected them too (plus I love chocolet truffles) & since you granted me such a wish? Then I shall reciprocate and wish for you in the next time you eat in a restaurant that these same people have a gastric attack while you eat.
Anyway don't get too uppity because one day you will cross the wrong smoker & you will feel the pain of more then smoke in your face!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20
There were "smoking" and "anti-smoking" rooms, which was up to the owner's discretion to provide, as it should be. That was what you all requested at the time; then you weren't even satisfied with that! Just what was wrong with that, pray tell!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20
There were "smoking" and "non-smoking" rooms, which were up to the owner's discretion to provide, as it should be. That was what you had all requested at the time; then, of course, you weren't even satisfied with that! Just what was wrong with that, pray tell!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@Godzie1
Hey, don't you kindred souls see what I'm seeing? We could become multi-millionaires by banding together to establish a chain of hotels or motels with restaurants attached for smokers only. There must be a loophole, for instance, by requiring that patrons become members of a private club for a nominal amount. Many millionaires were made during prohibition. When we're saavy enough to see a demand, we should be astute enough to see the opportunity.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop Yeah we could make it a private club for smoker's only. I remember in the early 90s when the airplanes banned smoking on flights..There was talk of an airline coming out for smokers only...I wonder what ever happened to that idea? We would need a chain of hotels all over the U.S Just to keep up w/the demand, (Probably even more then that?)
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1
I'm looking into what happened to that airline. I know the one you mean. The reason a "chain" would be such a good idea is because people would be more aware of them, as opposed to scattered hotels with all different names. When there are fortunes to be made, we'd have no trouble getting investors. Furthermore, we'd be doing something we believe in - FREEDOM!
I can see it now, the stock exploding like Intel and coca cola. We're talking about 25% of the people in the world!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop This is getting more interesting by the moment...
Let me know if you find anything on that airline.. Write me on my inbox!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop Some friends in the UK own a private bar in their home that only allows smokers & profits only by donations. But they are making a good buck & it is all legal!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1
If enough of us did things like this, many others would follow suit. It would explode and the culture would change.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 Billions of children in our history grew up around smokers. I did & now I'm old (how did that happen?) Why are their millions of baby boomers that lived around smokers & smoked themselves in the 50s 60s & on still alive today collecting Social Security checks & not a damn thing wrong w/them? Give me a answer..
They are living breathing evidence that your bullshit are lies!
Godzie1 1 year ago
A prohibitionist is the sort of man one couldn't care to drink with, even if he drank.
H. L. Mencken
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop No one is prohibiting cigarettes, so your comparison to prohibition does not make sense. The argument is that you do not have the right to include unwilling participants into your smoking habits. In other words, you do not have the right to blow smoke into other people's faces!
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20
Nobody's prohibiting cigarettes YET! Prohibiting smoking outside is ridiculous when the pollution caused by cars is so much worse! Also, for a privately owned business, the choice to be smoking or non-smoking should belong to the owner. Nobody is forcing anyone to go there. Furthermore, nobody is saying that people can't choose to be much more considerate, smokers and non'smokers alike. A a civilized person wouldn't dream of blowing smoke in anyone's face.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop What a poor argument in favor of smoking in public and ruining everyone else's health! Smokers do not have to literally blow smoke into a persons face in order to affect their health. Second hand smoke is unavoidable for us non-smokers because of the inconsiderate smokers. They could care less where their fume of toxins heads for. This is a public health issue and I look forward to the fines smokers will be faced with for smoking in public. Inhale your death sticks at home, slobs!
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20 Just because you've given up on your health by adopting this disgusting habit doesn't give you the right to adversely affect the health of non smokers! Again, smoke at home all you want, smoke yourself to death, just don't do it in public around non smokers!
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20
No, they're not completely prohibited yet, but do you really think that's not coming?
It's use is prohibited almost everywhere and still encroaching on us as we speak. Then more pleasures will be added to the agenda to ban, mark my words.
The point of the quote in this context is that we don't care about your approval because you're no fun to socialize with anyway with your preaching, nagging, self-righteous, holier-than thou superiority. You're not perfect either.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop You do not have the right to smoke near me in a public place. You'd better get that through your head. Because I do not give you the approval to damage my health. Soon the law will protect the public from your disgusting smoking habit. Socialize and have fun with your fellow addicts and slobs, and stay away from the rest of us, especially children. And no, non smokers aren't perfect, but we sure as hell are above smokers, who could care less who inhales their poisonous cigarettes.
preemptivestrike20 1 year ago
@preemptivestrike20
When cars are finally banned, I'm sure you won't feel guilty for the rest of your life for subjecting innocent children to your car's toxic fumes, you hypocrite! The toxicity is on a much grander scale than cigarettes could ever be!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
Its true that America is becoming a facist state. The smoking ban was just the beginning. As was said, they are telling us what to eat and not to eat or drink and prescribing excessive excercise which will take a toll on the body as a person ages. It's even affect the young. It's also causing people to form obsessions and anxieties over anything that the media tells them is wrong or right. Of course they still don't penalize drinkers or precription drug users which can be much more harmful.
33winterbirds 1 year ago
@33winterbirds
You're absolutely right, Kindred Soul. It's a fear-based society. Once a week or so I usually turn on the TV for about an hour. It's loaded with one threat after another. The prescription drug commercials are ridiculous. It seems to me that incessant worrying must be detrimental to one's health. Not to mention the fact that people are much easier to control once their spirits are broken.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop I think you hit the nail on the head Linda. It's all about control and MONEY. People have become so paranoid about shs, which has less dangerous chemicals than a glass of water. Did you know Hitler did not permit smoking in his regime. If one of his SS men lit up he would have him shot dead at that moment. I hate to say it but we are going in the direction of a government which will dictate our every action. Does that sound familiar.
33winterbirds 1 year ago
@33winterbirds
I know Hitler HATED smoking! Thank you for enlightening me about the rest. The A-hole confiscated matches, guns, and cigarettes from the Jews. But he never got the chance to realize the rest of his plan for the whole population. It's a Red Herring too. If Social Engineers distract the masses from the much worse plans they're working on, the latter get too obsessed with that to keep an eye on what's going on right under their noses!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
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I think you hit the nail on the head Linda. It's all about control and MONEY. People have become so paranoid about shs, which has less dangerous chemicals than a glass of water. Did you know Hitler did not permit smoking in his regime. If one of his SS men lit up he would have him shot dead at that moment. I hate to say it but we are going in the direction of a government which will dictate our every action. Does that sound familiar.
33winterbirds 1 year ago
@33winterbirds
That's really interesting that you mentioned the pushing of prescription drugs. Do you remember in "A Brave New World" the people were drugged to feel however the government wanted them to feel at any given time. Wanton sex was okay, but the people no longer had minds of their own nor the ability to think, because of the constant propaganda and the prescription drugs.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
Remember Orwell's 1984? It took a little longer but our country is going in that direction. And you are right about it being a red herring. If the public knew about all the black projects and the big money powers behind our so called government, they wouldn't be so worried about cigarettes and french fries. Since they keep taking away anything that is comforting, the whole country is living on antidepressents and illegal drugs.
33winterbirds 1 year ago
@33winterbirds
You're right! I feel bad for the kids! They don't have carefree fun anymore. No wonder so many get fat or hooked on hard drugs, prescription drugs or alcohol. They're surrounded by killjoys and bombarded by constant guilt and fear-mongerers..
I laughed when I watched the movie, "1984", starring Richard Burton. They puffed away any time they felt like it. Furthermore, NOBODY reacted, like they'd just brutally slaughtered a kitten each time, like they do to smokers!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@33winterbirds
Just an interesting tidbit that I read about 40 years ago. Did you know that the Turkish POW's were immune to brainwashing during The Korean War? The way this was achieved was by morale builder-upping and laughter. The top men in the hierarchy were trained to encourage hope in their men, and if anything happened to them, it was the responsibility of the next level down. Also, they all made fun of their captors which wasn't hard to do. Humor was their best weapon of all!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@pharaoh337 You've got it backwards: prohibition is an American idea. Europe has always been (and mostly still is) freer than the US.
217ify 1 year ago
@217ify
Amen! We U.S. citizens were handed a huge bill of goods, and we were naive enough to believe it. We even became a little uppity and smug about it. However, now that the truth has come home to roost, I highly respect the Europeans!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
Hit the State in Their pocketbook!
I think the bars should pull their lottery out in protest!
steinie44 1 year ago
@steinie44
We need more people like you.
Is the patience of the American people that long suffering? Is there no outrage left in the country?
Andrew Greeley
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
Fight the smoking ban . Greentip electronic cigarette !
rudiboyy88 2 years ago
I would love to give that woman in the black suit that was being interviewed, a good ass kicking. This is the worse thing that I have seen in life for the 51 years I have lived. I never knew I was living in a communist country. I will be moving to Nevada, At least they are independent from Nazi law.
Godzie1 2 years ago
@Godzie1
Another good state, except for the fact that it's cold, is New Hampshire. People are moving there in droves because of The New Hampshire Free State Project, for folks who still believe in freedom.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop New Hampshire sounds like a great place to live.
Thinking about moving?
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1
Yes, I really am! I have a feeling it will end up being very prosperous there too! Being around like-minded people sounds life great fun! Vegas is such a cool place too!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop Vegas still has smoking in casinos but not in food areas. :( I hate these bans though & wanting to move to an area who has not been "infected" by them. Maybe I'll see you in New Hampshire. :)
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1
That would be great!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@Godzie1
I even dreamed I went to heaven and was in the smoking lounge. Saint Peter came over and asked me if I had a light!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop There is smoking in heaven..After all God put tobacco on this earth for us to enjoy & no one has the right to tell us not to!
If I have to live not enjoying a few things in life like smoking? Then why live?
There will soon be a war between antis & smokers. We will win :)
(All we have to do is light our cigarettes & watch then run! lol)
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1
Good! Let them go away!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@Godzie1 Sorry to disillusion you Godzie, but even NEW HAMPSHIRE went smoke-free a few years ago!
The HEARTLAND and Texas are the only unconquered frontiers for the "tobacco control" nazis, who feed off our CIGARETTE TAXES (they split every tax hike with your State!), and who are cheered on by the PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES who take a "write off" for every nico-patch they donate to quit lines.
Who do you think started "Tobacco Free Kids?" A Major pharma!
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive There are more then 19,000 pissed off smokers out here in the U.S. More like millions. I laugh because 100 years in the future there will still be smokers. Now if all smokers fight back by breaking these stupid laws & light up? The courts be up in arms & Judges will complain then bans will be lifted. But no... Smokers quietly just went outside in the cold! Just like the Jews got on the trains to their deaths. Fight back people!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1 You are CORRECT about the power of IGNORING the LAW! The Greeks are doing it, the Dutch are doing it, and the gov't casts a blind eye. In fact the Netherlands just rolled back their law to allow smoking in small "sole proprietor" venues!
MzProgressive 1 year ago
@MzProgressive Check out hairychestnuts channel here on youtube. For years he tried to fight Smoking ban laws by getting in touch w/the U.K'S Board of health & other means to get people to fight the bans.
Unfortunatly he himself alone can't fight the antis. He sort of lost it by his fight & has been quiet. Many of us looked up to him & miss his antics on the nazi ways of Ash & other anti smoking groups! Tell him Godzie sent you & to bring back the fight. :)
Godzie1 1 year ago
I like how you leftists project your negative traits and attributes onto those whom you disagree with to make yourselves look like saints. Hitler passed so many smoking bans when he was the dictator of Nazi Germany. Nonsmokers and smokers aren't fascists by and large; it's the people who are such busybodies and the knee-jerk "pass a law, pass a law" type who want to outlaw tobacco, alcohol, trans-fats, ect. who are fascistic IMO. Shouldn't adults be treated like adults and not like babies?
cocainecafe 3 years ago
These smoking bans are akin to Adolf Hitler's smoking ban policies in Nazi Germany. These "liberals" don't realize that they're taxing the poor who are most likely to smoke and have the hardest time quitting smoking, but at the same time, they don't want to "tax the poor". It's gonna get to the point to where only the rich will be the only ones able to drink and smoke because of the high prices.
cocainecafe 3 years ago 2
@cocainecafe I don't know why you blame it on the liberals. The whole non-smoking campaign started during the conservative reign. But I do agree with the rest of what you said.
33winterbirds 1 year ago
Russiatoday is a Kremlin-controlled Russian-propaganda channel.
scotty123123 3 years ago
hahaha banning smoking in new york , - cleaner air - i dont think so , now the air will be so much cleaner you can breath all the carbon monoxide from the 400 00 odd cars . australia has already under taken tough non smoing laws and lets just say its a huge debate. how do both countries claim to be of the free , when both are telling us what we can and cant do. , Where paying higer prices , taxes and all the rest of it , is it not our own choice anymore ?
djlust25 3 years ago 2
this is just fascism, no wonder. america has always been a fascist country, they keep on looking for new target groups to apply the racism and fascism. P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act, motherfuckers.
VictorWasechkin 3 years ago
Why don't us smoker's sue the United States Government for the patriot act & our right to freedom of choice. Give it back to those Good for nothing liberals. All this should push us to finally fight back. Not just to stand outside in the cold smoking. But the right to have a after dinner cigarette after our meal. If the non-smoking Nazis don't like it. They can kiss our ass.
Godzie1 2 years ago 2
@Godzie1
Yeah! Like sheeple, too many smokers are totally cowed! We're all turning into a bunch of contemptible, yellow-bellied cowards!
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
@LindaDooWop I said that smokers took these stupid bans too quietly & should have fought back!
Godzie1 1 year ago
@Godzie1
They're like kids in the school yard. The bullies will pick on them relentlessly because they don't stick up for themselves.
LindaDooWop 1 year ago
As a New Yorker , I am so glad that there is are anti smoking laws here in restaurants , clubs, and workplaces.
yaspeedyrn1975 3 years ago
you can't breath in a smoke filled room even if you smoke the air is aweful when it's full of smokers. tobacco and cotton is one of the reasons they had to have slaves in the United States.
x11115 3 years ago