NV B.65 - Power draw technique advice from VEPS - I

[ableite]

I could never achieve an ball effect...

[DrDaveBilliards]

@ableite

If you want to try, there is additional advice in the FAQ section of my website under "draw - advice and drills."

Good luck.

[Pigimon]

well this is how i managed to achieve such a draw shot ( a very important shot imo).At first balls where flying outside of the table,second i got a skid mark from my shaft lol and then i just knew it u have to hold your cue very lightly as if you ar just stroking and accelerate through the ball without tighten up the grip and hit the CB at the right spot. So in my mind spin is just speed of the cue not power at all.

[DrDaveBilliards]

@Pigimon

Good summary. You are right ... assuming you are hitting the CB at the desired height, all that matters is cue speed ... and a light grip is best for achieving this with the least effort (and best accuracy and consistency).

FYI, much more draw technique advice can be found under "draw" in the FAQ section of my website.

[Quickfireflame]

All power draw shots are messed up for the fear of scooping from the bottom.Does the bending cue stick help?

[DrDaveBilliards]

@Quickfireflame

I think the more common cause for messing up is tightening the grip during the stroke. This lowers the tip and often results in a scoop.

I'm not sure what you mean about a "bending cue stick." With a pendulum stroke, the tip does go down into the table, and the cue does bend, but the cue ball is long gone, so it has no effect.

[cmmwiz]

@Quickfireflame

Dude, bending the cue is part of the follow thru.Definitly part of the stroke.Check ot my quick game long draw,

It runs like a rabbit.

[Quickfireflame]

@cmmwiz Some cues just don't bend.However the tip does have to come to rest on the table and best proof of that would be a chalk mark.Check out Neil Robertson's power draw shots

[omega666ification]

aha i now know the technique " longer bridge length "

[DrDaveBilliards]

@omega666ification

Also, don't forget: "Don't be a jerk."

[omega666ification]

@omega666ification lol oh no no no i used to do the jerk thing now its all about the follow through

[crrazyy]

holy smokes! thats what i call draw shot !

[GetMeThere1]

Looked like a lot of draw....but how big was that table!! It looks more like 4x8 than 4.5X9

[DrDaveBilliards]

The table is 4x8, but it is a fairly "sticky" and "slow" cloth.

More draw is possible on a larger table if the cloth is slick and fast. Less draw is also possible on a bar box if the cloth is sticky and slow.

Regards,

Dr. Dave

[cmmwiz]

@GetMeThere1

I believe you mean 50 inch x 100 inch. I do not know anyone that makes a 4.5 ft x 9 ft table.They do make a 4 ft

x 8 ft table (48 inch x 96 inch).The longer closed bridge works best for me.Check ot my "quick game long draw" done on a gold crown 4.

[DrDaveBilliards]

The tip goes down because I'm not dropping my elbow during the shot. I'm using what is called a "pendulum stroke."

Some people can generate more cue speed by dropping the elbow and following through straighter (AKA "piston stroke"). If you can generate more cue speed, you will get more draw (for the same tip contact point). I can't maintain accuracy and consistency when I drop my elbow, but I get plenty enough draw with the consistent pendulum stroke.

I hope that makes sense,

Dr. Dave

[Yellow9Ball]

I've watched many of your videos, and those 5 discs look very good and with good material - but not avaible for a low budget player like me :/

on the power draw i try Mike Massey's tip on droping my elbow and smooth follow thru (: if needed, i throw my body into the shot if there is room for cheating the pocket..

[DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks for you comment about VEPS. It sounds like you need to start saving up. :)

Concerning Massey's advice to drop the elbow before CB contact ... that works great for him, and it might be required for extreme power draw (e.g., with proposition or trick shots); but I think most mere mortals shooting typical game-situation power draw shots will have better consistency (and adequate draw) with no elbow drop before CB contact.

Dr. Dave

[codectified]

I can't seem to find any information on what I've come to know as a "force-draw shot" (or force-follow), where the distance between the cue ball and object ball is sometimes smaller than the thickness of a nickel. Avoiding the double-hit is the challenge. You will pretty much only come across a shot like that with trickshot artists. I have gotten the hang of it recently, but some high speed footage would be great to see.

[DrDaveBilliards]

@codectified See the videos in the FAQ section of my website (billiards colostate edu) under "fouls" and "double hit." We present several methods to avoid a double hit and get follow or draw with a small gap.

Enjoy,

Dr. Dave

[frankqio]

Great, thanks !!

[DrDaveBilliards]

Thank you ... and you're welcome!

[zeref]

il y a beaucoup de qualité dans l'effet rétro ^^

[DrDaveBilliards]

I don't know what that means, but it sure looks good ... I hope it is.

Dr. Dave

[zeref]

there are a lot of quality in your shot, what is the penetration of the arrow in the object ball

[DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks.

I don't know what you mean by "penetration of the arrow in the object ball." If you explain, I can respond.

Dr. Dave

[zeref]

sorry I do not speak English well enough to explain to you but we will try.

during the planning of your event "draw" at the time of impact between the process and the object ball, the arrow path some distance (in centimeters)?

not because of the speed of the coup that brought back the object ball, you agree?

[DrDaveBilliards]

The amount of draw, for a given cue, depends only on the cue speed and tip contact point at impact (which occurs within 1/1000 second).

It doesn't matter what happens to the cue before or after impact.

Some people can get more cue speed by dropping the elbow, and some people will have more follow-through than others; but again, all that matters is the speed of the cue at tip impact.

For much more info, see "draw" in the FAQ section of my website (billiards colostate edu).

[bushputz]

Nice stroke...

[DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. It's all about the technique.

Dr. Dave

[verx666]

Thanks for the guide!

[DrDaveBilliards]

You're welcome.  Do you think it will help you "draw the rock" better?

Dr. Dave