Happy Landings 3 - Vortex Ring Bellyflop - DCS Black Shark

[benjyboba]

Do a high fast verticle decent and pull up colective to get yourself in vr state. Its possible to be flying downwind and your have zero airspeed as your traveling with the wind and get yourself in vr state. To escape, just put your nose down and build up speed and or lower your colective fully down as it can't exist without power. Any steep decent should be taken with extreme caution. Try looking at your verticle speed indicator when decending fast. try autorotate then flair with power recovery.

[benjyboba]

I'm a student learning to fly a real helicopter. I have been in vortex ring state at 2000 ft as demonstration. vr state means your going into your own downwash and a vortex (recycling around the blade tips) builds. When you pull up the collective it will push you down. When near the ground (in ground effect) you won't getinto vr state but out of gorund effect you can by decending too fast. When slower than 30 knotts airspeed or decending too fast. Try verticle but as slow as you can.

[Bingokongen]

lol@flipper 3:25

I swear, learning how to fly this thing was worth 10 times the price of the game alone. Because of how challenging the game is, the feeling of achievement whenever one finally 'gets' something is extremely high.

So many failures, and so much fun!

[thatsbentastic]

I love how it's yelling at you for being over the RPM limit and you just turn off the warning alarms, instead of lowering the throttle...it is indeed fun to learn DCS! I remember when I started playing, my rotors exploded about 6 times in a row before i had to google "why are my rotors exploding"

[Ralroost]

This game looks like a lot of fun, when you were tearing around over the airbase. But I just don't know if my compy can handle it.

[timmy3822]

Thank God you were in the Kamov and not an Apache or something non co-axial... would have spun out of control very nicely for you :D.

I'm more of a fast air guy, so I've struggled to fall in love with Black Shak despite it being one of the best sims ever released on the PC.

Bad luck with the vortex ring though, it can catch you out and put you in a lot of trouble very quickly if you don't react to the first signs of it... i.e. becoming a burning hole in the perimeter fence :P.

[axcfds]

I'm suprised the window didn't fly off your cokpit.

[maxtower]

bad pilot ?

[TheGreenGriffon]

@maxtower

Jerkoff user comment?

More like "new pilot".

[quinndexter]

Vortex ring states usually manifest during descents of about 300 fpm. You can get out of them easily by pushing on the cyclic and increasing forward speed.

[MityLite]

@mihappy Wow, amazing. One time I was going in for a close up shot on a sam vehicle. When it shot a sam at me and I reacted by banking right very hard then it actually hit me in my weapons wing! then I could see that the ammunition on that wing was gone on the weapon indicator... amazing.

[FlingwingGolfer]

Just so you know why it happens, it's not really being 'pulled' down to the ground as just falling vertically.

You need 3 things to get into Vortex Ring state, also called 'settling with power':

1: power (engine running, rotors turning)

2: zero or very low airspeed (not having Effective Translational Lift) like when landing or hovering out of ground effect

3: a slight rate of descent that'll get worse and uncontrollable.

When you have these 3, all the ingredients are there.

[FlingwingGolfer]

what happens is you are 'falling' in your own downwash (called induced flow). Normal reaction would be to pull collective up to arrest descent, which increases induced flow and makes it worse. Training in real helis involve identifying the onset of settling, and 'recovering' by 'flying out of it' (lower collective slightly and get forward airspeed to fly out of the induced flow downwash and get ETL (effective translational lift) back).

Avoid by landing upwind and vigilance to the onset of SWP.

[FlingwingGolfer]

I doubt you will be able to identify the onset at high altitudes in the game due to the difficulty of judging your relative airspeed, but if you 'get into it' at altitude you can also just autorotate out of it (by auto-ing, you remove one of the 3 ingredients, and since all 3 must be present, removing 1 will rectify the situation, altitude permitting). It is a FAA required maneuver during training, and you have to 'get into it' on checkride and then 'get out of it' again for your license.

[FlingwingGolfer]

During the onset of SWP, the heli starts to shake and vibrate real bad (real heli). The maneuver is usually done between 1500 and 3000 feet to give you enough time to recover. Lots of student struggle to actually 'get into it'. Getting out at altitude is easy. If you get into SWP when you're low, you have a very high probability of hitting the ground, with catastrophic results.

[motokid032]

The HSI doesn't even show bank?

Do any of the other gauges even work?

Is this Sega?

[Tome4kkkk]

It's DCS Black Shark. Google it and you'll know the producer and publisher. As for gauges - ALL the gauges work as in real life plus the cockpit is 6 DOF (google TrackIR) and 99% clickable.

[Reynard13Fuchs]

First step for an emergency landing: Jettison all external Ammunitions, Explosives, and Fuel

Step Two: Check damage extent

Step Three: ???

Step Four: You've Landed!

[snakevenom56]

Step Five

EJECT EJECT EJECT

[Wags182494]

How to you turn the aircraft so well? Is it a force-feedback flight stick? I have a not-FF flight stick and I seem to be jerking the KA-50 all over the sky.

[ApeX2411]

how have you got such a high frame rate? i mean, how have you got that sim that fluid?

[TheGreenGriffon]

LOL yep, I definitely was at the time.

[zzodr]

You probably already know this but if you ever suspect you are in a descending vortex ring state, pitch forward immediately to get some airspeed.. you can fly out of the ring, gain much needed lift and save the aircraft.

[TheGreenGriffon]

It took me a moment to realize what was happening, and by that time it was too late :)

[Wahlnutz]

@zzodr Yup, very true. Also, depending on altitude obviously, you can enter an autorotation until you are clear of the downwash. Then push forward to gain airspeed and pull in power and hopefully you haven't smacked into something much harder than yourself :P

[Larzei1]

you are using too much collective when you fly, whatch the two yellow lights on the warning display.

[TheGreenGriffon]

Thanks. I was still new to the sim at the time and had confused those warning lights for something else.

[aflads]

1+;)

[furbyunicejafisher]

gpu no sorry, i mean cpu :)

[furbyunicejafisher]

Are u using trakir4? CAmera shaking looks vry realistic. That 3d panel is also awesome, best i ever seen. Btw, which graphic card and gpu are u using? runs vry smooth, hope that dcs suppory sli and quad cores. I hav to wait until 29 april to get boxed version :(

[TheGreenGriffon]

Yes, I do have TrackIR 4 running.

My specs on that PC were nothing special - a Core 2 Duo e6700 with a Geforce 8800 GTS card. on Vista x86. However I did do a great deal of software tweaking to squeeze extra frames out of the sim.

I've since built an Intel i7 machine, so my next videos should look much better.

[LouisianaRAPTER]

did you download it from the site? because i know it coms out on pc-dvd next month

[TheGreenGriffon]

Yes, this is the English version you can purchase directly from the ED site.

[LouisianaRAPTER]

what are you running with the game?

[TheGreenGriffon]

A "study sim" called DCS Black Shark.

[helicpt]

what game?

[phr00ta]

hehehe nice!

I like it! Although I prefer HD videos and if you talk over it, tune the mic volume up!

But keep in coming ...