Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia - A Poster Comparison

[MrReco12]

Tell Hitler to stop calling it a Rightwing ideology:

"There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism"

Soviet story has been condemned by Jewish groups.

[MyPopori]

And now look for American posters and other European and find differences -)))

[PiretBCN]

Albert Speer writes about the signing of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. The things that shock: 1.AFTER dividing Poland, Stalin separated a small part from the SOVIET share and gave it to Ribbentrop as a tip, for his hunting resort. Göring got jealous later and wanted that "tip" for Germany and not for Ribbentrop. 2. Ribbentrop who was a cold and arrogant person was very happy after returning from Moscow. He said that the atmosphere had been like in the good old days with the party comrades.

[PiretBCN]

I grew up in occupied Estonia and the first time I heard the word "nazi" was when I saw a Tarzan film with Johnny Weissmüller. The Nazis had arrived in Africa and Cheetah was shooting at them with a machine gun. The Russians preferred (still prefer?) the word "fascist" when talking about the 3rd Reich as if the Germans were Italians or Spaniards. The reason is obvious, "nazi" comes from "national socialist" and at the end of the day Stalin and Hitler were very similar.

[MrReco12]

@PiretBCN

National socialism has more in common with rightist fascism than leftist ideologies.

[PiretBCN]

@MrReco12 Rightwing fascism was very much into religion. Hitler didn't like the church very much, did he?

[Danarchistic1]

My issue is with equating fascism with socialism. The nazis spent the 20s crushing the left. Socialists, communists, democrats, unionists all went to camps, were murdered in the street, or stopped participating in politics. The books the nazis famously burned in their rallies were written by liberals, leftists, and Jews. That being said, the USSR wasn't very socialist once Stalin purged most of the original bolsheviks. They were similar, but not very socialist, not in a Marxist sense

[enevighet17]

@Danarchistic1

Stalin and the Great Purge clearly illustrates how a small step you need to take from Marxism to become fascist. Before the Great Purge started, Stalin started out already in the 20s by eliminating all marxists with different views to himself. Once this was successful and he had secured absolute power, he went on with "the rest" covering everything from dangerous ethnic minorities to kulaks and intellectuals. Moreover, the nazis persecuted the right as well...

[MrReco12]

@enevighet17

The Nazis never persecuted the Right!

The Right supported Hitler throughout the war and defended his regime at the Nuremberg trials.

[wookieinheat]

@Danarchistic1 liberals today like to think that fascism was a purely right-wing ideology and that liberals were always opposed to it. the reality of it is that hitler united socialists in vichy france, communists in russia and muslims under the nazi banner. the nazis sought to destroy capitalism and supported the muslims in opposing the league of nations mandate for the creation of a jewish state; support for israel and capitalism are the main tenants of right-wing ideology.

[wookieinheat]

@Danarchistic1 and yes, hitler sent german liberals off to death camps, not merely because they were liberals, but simply because they opposed him. in france where the liberals cooperated with the nazis, no such thing occurred.

also, this clip is from a movie called "the soviet story", it goes into great detail explaining how national socialism was just a branch of communism with some right-wing aspects (i.e. nationalism) mixed in; i highly recommend you watch it.

[Danarchistic1]

@wookieinheat I've seen 'the soviet story', i didn't agree with it. communism has to be rooted in class-conscious internationalism, otherwise, its not going to lead to communism (the stateless, classless society theorized by Marx), its going to lead to some version of fascism or some other nationalism-obsessed ruling-class. By Marx's definition, Stalin's USSR wasn't on the road to communism, nor was Hitler's Germany.

[wookieinheat]

@Danarchistic1 you remind me of my friend who bases all his political views on idealism rather than reality.

to use a practical example: as ur probably aware, there are numerous sects within islam (i.e. sunni vs shiite), each sect considers the others to be heretics. does this make arabs less muslim than persians, or do we consider them all muslims because they identify themselves as such?

your interpretation of communist principles and stalin's adherence to them is irrelevant.

[Danarchistic1]

If Nazis were communist, why did they put communists in concentration camps, ban the party, ban collective bargaining, smash the unions, burn liberal/leftist books, and equate Bolshevism with "the international Jewish conspiracy"? Read Marx, then Mein Kampf. Get your facts straight.

[SniperMaske]

@Danarchistic1 Nobody has contended that Nazis were communists, only that nazism has the same fundamental structure (i.e., it is a collectivist doctrine supporting the persecution of some defined groups).

Nazi Germany and the USSR fought each other for geopolitical motives of power, just as the USSR was a rival to then-maoist China.

Get your reasoning straight.

[PiretBCN]

@SniperMaske exactly. It was about power and dividing Europe.

[MrReco12]

@PiretBCN

Most of Hitler's allies were very religious(even theocratic): Father Tiso and Franco are two examples/

[PiretBCN]

@MrReco12 Exactly. But I was not talking about his allies. I was talking about him. Hitler wasn't a fan of the church, was he? Quite the opposite. Many priests ended up "camping" or worse. I remember a scene in Albert Speer's memoirs. It was about Jodl discussing Italy with Hitler. They clearly talked about "THEM the fascists" and not "US the fascists". Also as far as Hitler's allies are concerned, up to operation Barbarossa Stalin was his ally as well. One can change one's allies. :)

[MrReco12]

@PiretBCN

watch?v=fPbtyT6weK4

watch?v=KCJBBZoLiyU

Many priests supported Nazism and other versions of fascism.

[PiretBCN]

@MrReco12 The Abbot of Montserrat refused to meet and greet Himmler when he visited it because of Himmler sending his colleagues to his "holiday camps". p.s. I checked your channel and it looks "a bit" communist. I never discuss politics with communists or nazis or other people who believe in extreme ideologies. It leads nowhere and just makes your blood boil. If that's the case then this conversation is now over. Have a nice day!

[MrReco12]

@PiretBCN

The National Government regards the two Christian confessions [i.e. Catholicism and Protestantism] as factors essential to the soul of the German people. ... We hold the spiritual forces of Christianity to be indispensable elements in the moral uplift of most of the German people."

I have a quite a few songs from the Spanish civil war(the republican side), i take it would have supported Franco, Hitler and Mussolini like most of the Right did.

[wookieinheat]

@MrReco12 "Most of Hitler's allies were very religious(even theocratic)"

yes, particularly haj amin al-husseini, aka the fuhrer of the arab world; someone who is now defended by liberals.

[wookieinheat]

@Danarchistic1 "If Nazis were communist, why did they put communists in concentration camps"

when there are two rival gangs in a city, do they cooperate and help each other or compete for control of turf and kill each other? communism and fascism were two competing forms of totalitarianism, each vying to destroy the other and conquer europe. hence the standoff that was the cold war, after WW2 the only thing preventing stalin from running over europe's decimated armies were nukes.

[Danarchistic1]

@wookieinheat I agree that Stalinism and fascism were competing totalitarian systems out to control as much territory as they could. I disagree with the assertion that Nazism was some branch of communism. Communism is a theoretical utopia, a classless, stateless society that never happened. Communism is international class-solidarity, fascism is about suppressing class struggle in the interest of the state. One reinforces the state, one seeks to eliminate the concept of 'state'

[Danarchistic1]

Wow, They must've hired the same Advertising company.

[MaoistLeninistMarx]

Nazism (or self-proclaimed national "socialism") and Communism are opposite, why do you think from day-one Hitler was calling Bolshevism evil, why did he outlaw the Communist party of Germany? Why did he kill 28,000,000 Soviets? Why did he call Communism and worker's unions a Jewish conspiracy?

[saigonpunkid]

Girl at 1:00 looks Jewish :)

[MrReco12]

This video is idiotic!

Watcher this if you want reality: watch?v=PSon3A_kRlE:

[Nationalist279]

@R3dSt4r90 You are stupid, and uncultured !

You are very not educated / !

Communizm=Zionizm. Carl Marcs, Lenen...they were all degeneretos, and if you do not anderstand this-you are the same.

This f..en jew- Communists Killed in 1917 -18 milliones of Russian inteligence, thet created Holodomor in Ukr and killed 8 million,Then Gulag death of 38-60 milliones! my nation remember this! I remember my grandparent ! Death to Communizm! Dearh to Zionizm, Death to Capitalizm !

Комуняку на гіляку !

[R3dSt4r90]

@Nationalist279 you are unable to have an objective opinion, because you or your parents are a victim of realist socialism. I don't blame you .. maybe you would have a normal point of view if you would be in a normal country and not corrupt russia.

you don't know what zionism is.. you don't know what a jew is.. and you certainly don't know what communism is.

you don't even know what nationalism is.. you are just a desperate victim of corrupt russia

[Nationalist279]

@R3dSt4r90 Normal country?I visited USA 2 years ago.There is no Fredom in USA too.The last real free american prezidents were Jackson and Lincoln.1913-the end of real USA,1917-the end of real Russia.Bank of Federal Rezerve is the same as jewish-oligarh corruption in Russia.That is the SAME.

1960-1980-that is the onliest time when we lived not bad because at this time it was an internal war against Zionists in CoMparty. If you believe in terrorism and say"..watch fox news!.." you are not educated

[R3dSt4r90]

@Nationalist279 did i say that usa is a normal country?

usa, russia, china.. are all corrupt free market lobbycracies.

i hate zionism more than you, because i know what zionism is.. it is worse than you think.

if you are a nationalist, what is your economic system? russia already is a nationalist capitalist country

[Nationalist279]

@R3dSt4r90 First of all my country is not russia, but Ukraine.Welcome to football Euro 2012-))

The second-Urk and Russia are capitalistic states, but we are not , unfortunatelly nationalistics-(((

In our Ukr parlament 350 senators, and only 52 are ukr, others are mostly jews or has some part of jews blood. Besides, the corruption in Rus and Ukr is in hand of Jews, they ahead this.

In Rus, for example-Chodorcovsky..the main traffics of slave trade comes from Izrael..that is like jewish occupation

[R3dSt4r90]

@Nationalist279 what do you mean by "jews" ?

i hate zionists, i hate israel and i hate people who believe in jehova

but if someone has "jewish"genes it doesn't say anything about him

[Nationalist279]

@R3dSt4r90 ok, look trouble is in the next. Everybody should live on his land-right?

The second-not all jews are zionists, but they act on my land as racists ! on my Land ! They help each other, they take the best work places only for jews.

That is why for us it is nearly the same "jew" and "zionizm."

There are too little jews who hate zionizm and fight against it. So it is the circle. And to destroy it- can only jews antizionizm, but everybody understand that this is impossible for them.

[andreassp13]

it's a very different thing to be a NATIONAL socialist and INTERNATIONAL socialist. It's a exactly two different ideologies. Although within the country it's pretty common, how it works it's very different. And also the ideological part of how to treat other countries and peoples is very different as well. National Socialists want their country to belong to their nation, International Socialist promote the idea that what's important is the fact that we are all workers first.

[xRHYDDERCHx]

Comparing two ideologies, two countries, etc. because of fucking posters! WOW! What a strong argument, dude

-.- fuck this stupid propaganda

[xRHYDDERCHx]

The Soviet Story = biggest shit ever.

[xRHYDDERCHx]

Fallacious conclusions coming from this comparison. Period.

[joaofga123]

Two totalitarian regimes that committed ethnic cleaning for no reason, are anti-semite, took all the freedom from the citizen had and turned him into a robot that must obey orders from the state instead of the opposite. And I'm not even talking about the Molotov-Ribentropp pact...

[R3dSt4r90]

nazis and communists and terrorists are all the same!!!!!!

A THREAT TO AMERICA

thats what they are - and that's the only thing that matters!!!!

now that we made this clear let's get some big macs and watch fox news!

[Nationalist279]

@R3dSt4r90 You are crazy, No, you are MAD .

[R3dSt4r90]

well the comments are as stupid as the video.. no surprise

don't try to read the text on the poster's, just look at the pictures!

don't try to understand how things work, watch fox news!

uneducated people like you are the reason why boulevard media are succesful

and boulevard media are the reason why you are so uneducated.

you should take a closer look on these posters, because there is truth in them

[JT414857]

Communism is not necessarily "evil", it is just the dictators. I won't say Gorbachev is evil. And if you didn't know, Hitler missused the socialist ideology, there is no anti-semitism in socialism, or communism. Not to be mean, but just because the posters have big similarities.

[Lumpunzik]

What is the name of this song?

[markstofi]

It's not a joke. Both the soviet communists and German nazis called themselves socialists and claimed to be on the side of the people while murdering millions.

A true leftist should distance himself from both the communists and the nazis.

[MrReco12]

@markstofi

It is a joke.

Hitler said he a Rightist and he privatized sectors of the economy. Indeed, he attacked the Soviet Union with over 3 million troops and gave slave laborers to private enterpize.

The ultimate Rightist!

[DaHonestAbe]

What a joke video. Communism - hard left. Fascism- hard right.

[dazzler111]

Which song is playing in the video ????

[thegreendestiny]

They had the same enemies. Shame that Hitler betrayed their pact.

[ConflictedStoner]

@andyhuangit This is nothing short of moronic idiocy. In national socialist germany, fair wages and working hours were the first thing hitler instituted. Nobody's money went to the "Fuhrer's buddies" what bullshit manual you getting this shit from? Hitler improved unemployment from 30% to 2%, instituted a DEBT FREE currency, and created the 40 hours work week and anti-child labor laws. Instead young men were taught athletics and discipline, and young women were taught home skills and athletics

[villeagram]

@SoyuzVediot everyone knows wikipedia is the poorest source for information, i suggest you buck up on the info your reading and take your preconcieved notions somewhere else jackass.

[villeagram]

@SoyuzVediot wow your so smart because you read wikipedia. any genuine smart person would know that wikipedia is the poorest source of information. so go ahead and take your preconcieved notions somewhere else jackass

[darkredyanderelord]

plus: Nazi germany flag has no relations with the urss and china flag. Just look 2:27

[darkredyanderelord]

Capitalism is way more comparable to facism and nationalism.

I think imperialims is same shit plus USATAN AND HIS ALLIES HAS KILLED JUST:

1,559,657,267

[SovietCommander1917]

@darkredyanderelord Hitler was socialist dumbass, he banned rightwing from power

[darkredyanderelord]

@SovietCommander1917 and marxist too...

[SovietCommander1917]

@darkredyanderelord Cause he was against the marxist concept of the abolition of nations and states.

[darkredyanderelord]

@SovietCommander1917 yeah, but hitler was a fan of imperialism and lenin was anti imperialist.

[Scorpitarios]

@darkredyanderelord Lenin wanted to spread marxism over the globe and was therefore an imperialist too. The same applies for Trotzky.

[darkredyanderelord]

@Scorpitarios But not by war and transnacionals. PS: trotzky was killed by soviets.

[Scorpitarios]

@darkredyanderelord What about the earlier stages of Lenin's reign during the times of war communism, where the bolsheviks wanted to force marxism over europe by military means (even though they failed at poland)? And Lenin's successor Stalin was no less imperialist. And then the incidents in Hungary and Chekoslovakia.

I'm not saying that the capitalist powers were any better, but that imperialism results from whatever country being a world or superpower. It's almost like a law of nature.

[darkredyanderelord]

@Scorpitarios in part your rigth imperialism is always in superpower states, but at leats the urss dont poison the world with transgens, worst tyrants in the world and other things... and support racism.

I dont saying that usa is a racist state... but damn is getting worse and worse.

[abbesieyes]

Fascism and Communism, divine right via euphamism, both with facades of rubber stamp 'parliaments'. Constructs of the Jesuit.

Romes proxys in the old familiar mold, the UN and EU.

[PanzerGirl88]

socialism generally refers to an economic system, while communism generally refers to both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively, and that control over the distribution of property is centralized

[BillHicks420]

This video is silly. Similarity between propaganda methods do not imply similarity between ideologies and values. Propaganda and its mechanics yields results, no matter what the underlying ideology is.

In addition, labeling the murder regime of Stalin as only "communist" is simply false, it was Stalinism. The regime was neither communist (meaning marxist communism, the only in underlying main theory/conformation), nor was it in practice. No wonder there`s confusion, people are stupid...

[extremeeXrement1]

communism and nazism are two sides of the same coin the result is alwats genocide

[abbesieyes]

Naziism and Communism, both born of the Jesuits.

The old 'intarnational red flag' with your choice of superimposed nothingness.

The Borgia crest...field of Red with a black Apis Bull.

The Jesuits...nothing more than a construct of the Borgias. The papacy being forever denied them, they set up a proxy by which they could control.

[batoyn]

Better dead than red. Nationalism is the only honorable way. CWP

[Szuchajek]

great video

[InquisitorNR2]

totalitarianism is evil, just Nationalism!

national SOCIALISM is left fucking side

[wrabowrabs]

they're both socialist systems, it's 100% normal that the message to the people to be the same :)

only stupid people could not see this before this video... the political and state organization is different, but they're both socialists.

[JimmySmers]

@wrabowrabs I'd rather be Nazi and all White than what the Republican Martin Luther King lovers want, "a nation of immigrants", what utter faggot shit that is but somehow you Fox fags think that queer shit is masculine.

[wrabowrabs]

@JimmySmers

actually I have a socialist-communist mentality... but I guess you are too stupid to be objective and see things in an objective way... only because you like nazism you think it's better and much different. You should get some glasses you stupid fuck, because I said "the message is the same", not that the regime or the structure is the same. There are many types of socialism... nazism and communism are just 2 wings of socialism.

Read again and keep this in your mind !

[markstofi]

I always knew nazis and soviets were the same. We even had jokes about it when I was a kid in soviet-occupied Hungary. The fact that their posters were almost identical is just further proof.

[JimmySmers]

@markstofi Posters doesn't make governments the same.

[darkredyanderelord]

@markstofi for disgrace ;(

[markstofi]

@darkredyanderelord

darkred has a tough time accepting the truth

[darkredyanderelord]

@markstofi muah??

[wrathofvengance67]

@markstofi they're not the same

[MaoistLeninistMarx]

@wrathofvengance67 they are opposite

[reyter2007]

Not the best thought out video. Not for anyone who has a grasp of what the posters mean. One is about being superior to others, exalting radical right-wing capitalism and waging war and the other is about the unity of all working people regardless of petty ethnic and religious differences, about peace in the world, about everyone receiving the right to vote, receive an education and etc.

Basically the posters are completely opposite. No prizes for guessing which ones belong to capitalist pigs.

[crocve]

@reyter2007 Yeah right!

Stop being blind and see the truth!

It´s a piety that only a small minority in this world looks to the past, before WWII, were this extreme left-wings ideologies were buddies.

[markstofi]

@reyter2007

Sounds like you never took history in school or went to school in a country ruled by communists.

[NaziBlackEagle88]

Fuck propaganda... Nazism was not evil...

[abbesieyes]

Black habits on a Red field (Flag of the Jesuits)...the Black Apis Bull on Red field of the Borgia.

[abbesieyes]

ALL born of the Jesuits. The Jesuits, born of Francis Borgia...paternal grandson of Pope Alexander VI. FR Ledochowski SJ...the master pulling the strings of his puppets Stalin and Hitler and Mao...who undertook Inquisition under cover of base warfare in their spheres of control.

[Geremyss]

Nazional Socialism is left wing??? ahahahah!!! don't say shit!!!

[baskoffie]

How is communism a "murder ideology"?

And you could easily compare Nazi Germany's propaganda to that of the united states in that time as well.

[FelixPrismus]

By the way everyone: The piece used in this video is called The Internationale, the anthem of the Soviet Union 1917-1944

[GitarenEnBananen]

I asked a teacher of mine what nazism has to do with right wing, but he also said that nazism was actually more of a (extreme) left wing thing.

[kubaniski]

@GitarenEnBananen wow your teacher isn't a political idiot!!! you have no idea how rare that is.

[reyter2007]

@GitarenEnBananen

Really? Well in that case your teacher is a deluded moron!

[GitarenEnBananen]

@reyter2007 Nah he is not, not at all.

[reyter2007]

@GitarenEnBananen

If what you state is true:

>he also said that nazism was actually more of a (extreme) left wing thing.

I can tell you for a fact the guy is a deluded moron! I believe it's only in USA where statements such as that and others suggesting Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and etc weren't capitalist states are taken even the slightest bit serious.

[Fitzcard]

@reyter2007 I believe they (NAZI's, Facist italy) were corporatist weren't they? From the root word Corpus, latin for body. In other words, centralizing all aspects of society and running it as a body from a central hub. Agriculture, Economy, Science, Religion, manufacturing, all ordered what to produce/render to better serve the people.

[MrReco12]

Nazis didn't embrace prvatization

They did!

Read Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in Nazi Germany.

[joaofga123]

Wow this must be a kick in the nuts for the modern communists xD

[MasterAdam100]

@joaofga123 Not really. Hitler's Fascism disguised itself in Socialist attire to draw in German workers who made up the majority of Germany's workforce. Mussolini did the same thing in Italy before Hitler did.

[stureremil1942]

@joaofga123 No, it  isn't.

[Swordman85]

@joaofga123

Not really. Communism and nazism are as similar as Christianism and Islamism, both have a sacred book, both worship one god, both are religions and finish with "ism". I recommend you to watch my video, which easely refutes this thesis.

[R3dSt4r90]

@joaofga123 this is a kick in the nuts for all educated people

[joaofga123]

@R3dSt4r90

Since when commies are educated?

[unserdeutschland]

BOTH SIDES WERE FINANCED BY THE SAME GLOBAL ELITE BANKERS

JUST GO TO INFOWARS.COM AND SEE.

[Ukufaul]

@unserdeutschland we know ...that EVERTHING is CONSPIRCY....

go look help idiot.

[Mattwolf1186]

The Nazis were between Socialism and Capitalism - Corperatism would be a proper term for them, Govermnment and Corperations are intertwined ie government control and commands economy

[Jaabyourface]

@Mattwolf1186 the nazis were inbetween Socialism and Nationalism, both of which lead to 100% government control. the national Socialist ideology is closer to fascism than it is to communism, but therer really isn't any major difference between fascism and communism anyway. their both state-controlled economic systems. the only difference is that in fascism, the government controls the business through regulation, where as in communism the govbernment both controls and owns all business.

[Jaabyourface]

@Mattwolf1186 so the differences are small and the end result is the same. everything is controlled by the state

[MrReco12]

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause 4. Supremacy of the Military 5. Rampant Sexism 6. Controlled Mass Media 7. Obsession with National Security 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined 9. Corporate Power is Protected 10. Labor Power is Suppressed 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

[MrReco12]

Very weak argument.

One of the soviet posters feature a Asian, African and a European soldier fighting side by side. How can this fool compare the Nazi(that are known for their belief in white supremacy) posters to one promoting racial equality?

The Nazis were the first to embrace privatization. How is that socialist?

[Jaabyourface]

@MrReco12 the marxist/lenninist Ideology of the soviet union was almost the exact same as the nzi Ideology. its simple. Communism nearly has a larger reach of people that it will accept than naziism. Naziism is socialism for one race, rather than socialism for all races. naziism is race warefare, marixist/lenninism is class warefare. slight difference, same tactics. and the Nazis didn't embrace prvatization. they ebraced privately owned property with restrictions iposed from the government

[Wolfen443]

There are differences indeed, but the common ground is mass control by the state. the differing degrees to which the econimies are regulated is one of them (modern China could be an example). Great posters and the use of the International is very effective. Both sides rallied similar alliees artound the world as an international movement indeed. The scary part is all three of them could make a comback once democracy self destroys.

[onesy1]

A planned economy is not by definition exploitative or anti-democratic.

[elhombreverdad]

Very nice video

Communism and Nazism are the same thing

[AugustusAurelianus1]

@elhombreverdad IF a bird walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck... IT'S A DUCK! NO QUESTION ABOUT IT

[onesy1]

Your comparison of the propaganda posters is extremely shallow seeing as nationalism and strong minority rule are tropes necessary to nazism (hence being 'right wing') but not so for socialist ideology which is about collectivism and the breaking down of racial, gender and class distinctions. Stalinist rule is clearly a betrayal of this ideal whilst Nazi Germany was all to successful in its aims.

[LatinAmerican2010]

@onesy1 Quoting an exceedingly wise commenter below: QUOTE "When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck... IT'S A DUCK! Likewise if a political system, tortures like a NAZI, censures like a NAZI, imposes one PARTY SYSTEM like a NAZI, commits mass murder like a NAZI..well such system equates to NATIONAL SOCIALIST wearing a hammer & sickle." UNQUOTE. At least the NAZIS, despite their blatant EVIL, were NOT Hypocrites!

[onesy1]

@LatinAmerican2010 Please do not be under the impression that I am defending the USSR, N. Korea or Cuba. These are not tropes of socialism as there are many traditions within it. Surely you understand the hypocrisy of capitalism and how the superpowers made themselves rich by plundering other countries? Given the imperialist projects undertaken on your own country I am surprised you are taking this line.

[onesy1]

@onesy1 Yes Stalinism is despicable. So were many of the actions of Pinochet. Or any number of despotic leader in the world today. I am a firm believer in democracy and believe that people should have MORE not less material control over their own lives. The anarchy of market forces undermines this. What use is it to limit government control over our lives when increasingly it is big business that fills its role?

[AugustusAurelianus1]

@onesy1 Shallow comparison? HOW AMUSING... Perhaps "in theory" Socialist Theory may CLAIM to be about collectivism & anti-racism - IN THEORY!

Because SOCIALIST (similar to National Socialists) have ONE PARTY, ONE VOICE, ONE IDEOLOGY, CENSORSHIP, MILITARISM, and an INTIMIDATING Interior Ministry - associated with the PARTY - cracking down on dissidents, imposing ideological purity and monitoring the citizenry, IT HAS A SYSTEM WITH ONE LEADER (with human flaws) using censorship to control info

[onesy1]

@AugustusAurelianus1 Socialism isn't about central planning or ideological control - it's about common ownership and direct rule by the people. You cannot discredit this simply because of what has been done in its name or you may as well condemn capitalism for the forms it has taken in the past and discriminate against all forms uncritically.

[AugustusAurelianus1]

@onesy1 YES I MAY! I beg to differ & Strongly! While I shall NEVER question in any shape or form the horrors of discrimination, most of these cases are Historical (preceding the past century) & the cases which emerged since 1910 (Southern USA until 1969 & S.Africa until 1994) as unfortunate as they were (NOT dismissing IT) they either impacted a fraction of the population (USA) OR oppressed many in ONE country (S.Africa) WHEREAS 99% of population of ALL Socialist states was oppressed & controld

[onesy1]

@AugustusAurelianus1 Sorry but that is simply not true. Many capitalist countries today have socialistic tendencies and institutions. In Britain we have the National Health Service, unemployment and disability benefits, free primary and secondary education and subsidised universities, all of which have helped many people achieve great things for the benefit of many people including themselves.

[AugustusAurelianus1]

@onesy1 NO QUARREL THERE! I am ALL IN FAVOR of HIGHLY "socialistic" institutions! In fact, IF I were to be asked about the Ideal socio-political-economic polities of the early 21st Century, I would NOT hesitate to name THREE countries:

1- Norway, 2- Sweden, 3- Denmark (followed by the Netherlands and the United Kingdom), for the embody everything I admire: Parliamentary Democracies/ Traditional Monarchies / Agnostic / Highly Socialistic systems (high tax for wealth & full coverage for needy)

[onesy1]

@AugustusAurelianus1 I could also point to contemporary examples of the failings of capitalism and the humanitarian crises it continues to feed and its exploitation of developing countries. Bear in mind that bar China, Venezuela and Cuba all 'socialist states' were under direct soviet control.

[onesy1]

@AugustusAurelianus1 You also appear to skirt over the imperialist aspect of capitalist accumulation - this leads to oppression in far more than one country, whether it is direct or indirect. No need to be an apologist for current regimes, I am certainly no apologist for any of the 'socialist states'

[AugustusAurelianus1]

@onesy1 while I do not object to "some" wealth accumulation, I fully object to the extremes of the USA & many other countries (directly or indirectly). The time for Imperialism has come and GONE! What I oppose first and foremost is TOTALITARIANISM (followed by racism & extreme welath accumulation)

[onesy1]

@AugustusAurelianus1 Well then I see no quarrel between us! Good night.

[onesy1]

Yes here you can see the common themes of nationalism, liberty, happy healthy youth and cult of personality. Save for the last one it is exactly the same promise that our own culture's ideology gives us! Of course you are missing the little fact that ideologically socialism is about emancipation of all and equality for all whereas Nazi ideology was about preserving 'human' values at the expense of who and what they saw as sub-human.

[SchwedenAbteilung]

Haha this clip is so stupid. Nationalsocialism and communism has completly diffrent political goals and ambitions. The similiarity of the posters doesn't matter. It just shows that both parties had great posters, though I think NS germany had the better ones.

[MarcusAurelianus]

NATIONAL SOCIALISM & COMMUNISM one & the same! Only one difference - THE NAZIS WERE NOT HYPOCRITES LIKE THE COMMUNISTS are! The Nazis have always admitted what they did. "When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck... IT'S A DUCK! Likewise if a political system, tortures like a NAZI, censures like a NAZI, imposes one PARTY SYSTEM like a NAZI, commits mass murder like a NAZI..well such system equates to NATIONAL SOCIALIST wearing a hammer & sickle.

[Hereticalable]

@MarcusAurelianus - that's so true...the Nazi's never pretended they were morally superior. Doesn't make them better of course, we're still talking about two systems that are evil essentially and go against human nation.