#66 Resonant Water Fuel Cell 02

[steffyweffy777]

does anyone have any real plans to make a water engine conversion kit to stick in their car ? If someone could make simple plans to post online, then we could all at grass roots level, put the oil companies out of business and stop the crooks in power screwing us !

[h2ocommuter]

I hope you get the resonant thing going though

[h2ocommuter]

Now put six in separate containers, daisy chain in series, add 12 V. and get it on friend

[XxLeurxX]

Never touch the plates with your bare hands, the oils would coat it and blah, you know all that already so I wont say it. x3

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@XxLeurxX Very true.

[TheDreamMasterAB]

PS You may also have a chemical oxydation/reduction effect going on. It would require your instrument to provide a very low voltage to avoid it as well.

[TheDreamMasterAB]

Hmmm distilled water is supposed to be dielectric, but with enough voltage it can conduct electricity. In practice, small amounts of minerals attached to the electrodes or in the water can aid conduction. In theory you do have a capacitive effect, but also you have an electrode polarization or galvanic effect. You need to build an alternating current instrument (just like water conductivity/TDS meters work) in order to bypass the polarization and get a real resistance measurement.

[evan2ually1]

I have been looking at similar experiments and believe that what Stan Meyers machines did that made them unique is that his electrodes were actually tuned in such a way that they produced ultrasonic vibrations and radio frequencies that assisted in the seperation of water molecules. The pulses of current radiating through the electrodes and being released as radio waves as well as passing electric current through the solution? Tell me what you think?

[kitten1662]

@evan2ually1 You hit the nail on the head, Evan. It's all about LC tuning where C is the capacitance of the cell, and L is the transformer and choke coils in the circuit.

[MrJohnmyatt]

Capacitance & use a capacitance to frequency calculator for cell resonanance. A diode allows positive tension pulses to the cell & bifilar choke restricts the negative electron flow from reaching the cell. Gas production is dependant on the Voltage electric stream as it displaces sustances by accululating the universal constant under increasingly higher pressure equalibriums. Its absence of Amperage magnetic stream to defuse that solidity into tenuity by releasing those higher pressures.

Simple

[14jerseyboy56]

what about the electrolyte?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@14jerseyboy56 In this build the idea is to use pure water only.

[justAnotherMike82]

water is a polar molecule (it's an electrostatic dipole) by applying a test current you're causing the water molecules to become more alligned (they won't become totally alligned due to thermal energy collisions between molecules)  kinda cool to see it in action.

[bnewton81]

What would happen if you used Hydrogen Peroxide instead of water?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@bnewton81 You get more oxygen for a brief time then nothing is different.

[one2manyification]

it could be that electrolysis is happening without power I have gotten bubble that accumulate on the walls of my anode and cathode when there has not been power even after weeks with no power source occasionally a bubble will detach from one of the walls and float up I get voltage reading 4-6v as well enough to power an LED so i cant wait to use a joule thief LOL

[PetrFM]

Have You ever read about electrode polarization? This is right explanation of all Your observations. You have not built large capacitor but something like very inefficient rechargeable battery. T measure ANYTHING in metal submerged into water You need alternating current ohmmeter and alternating current capacitance meter.

[jimdennett]

PS it will do the same without the water.lololol

[jimdennett]

FOR YOU younger guys.. This is a Plate capacitor. original old time cap still used in high amperage Variable DC drives for 50 hp and up just they are made of copper plates instead of stainless steel



[UniversalExpanse]

I notice a few comments in this post are talking about metal(capacitor plates) in contact with the liquid. I for one dont see the need for the plates to have contact with the liquid, a capacitor only needs a dielectric(insulating material) between 2 plates.

Why not try conductive material sprayed inside of class or plastic cylinders. The dielectric will be the cylinder walls with the water separating the inner tube from the outer tube.

[one2manyification]

I dont think it is capacitance but it is an electrochemical reaction "oxidation" water reacting with the metal it is storing chemical energy not an electric charge.

[spotmark2]

Your glue is giving you your capacitive anomaly....( reluctant2play)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@spotmark2 Quite possibly....

[UniversalExpanse]

@ZeroFossilFuel i wouldnt worry too much about the glue changing the dielectric constant, once this thing starts splitting molecules your gonna endup with gas bubbles changing the dielectric constant anyway.

[one2manyification]

really nice work by the way thanks 4 the upload

[JOSEMASTERCRAFTSMAN]

Is that stainless steel? if it is, what kind? I used some stainless steel spoons but i keep getting a dark greenish color above the water. Do you know why?

[Si3z3]

damn i wish i had the materials to make this kind of stuff...

[vox1philippines]

I PERLICATED YOUR SPIRAL CELL, IN TOP WATER NO ELECTROLIZER, IN SELF 10AMPS GENERATED.... WOW ! LIKES AN ANGRY VOLCANO..... THANK ZERO ! PLS WATCH MY VID WHEN U HAVE TIME........

[GreedIsYourGod]

Distilled water has a very large dielectric constant. Indeed the military (while doing starw wars, fusion, and other pulsed power experiments) one of their favorite materials to use for their mega joule experiments is plain old de-ionized H2O. Just look up pulsed power and "water capacitors" The problem as I am sure you will find shortly is that it doesn't take much contamination till the capacitive nature of your water is destroyed by some form of ionic contamination.

[mandienpete08]

i really dig this vid but he did contradict hisself once. but good stuff

[demigod197]

hey, i been messing around with a little cell i made. anyways, maybe i havent learned/looked enough, but when i run my little cell, it will last maybe 1-3 min then it stops, somtimes it spits on for a sec then dies again. for the time its on it produces quiet a bit of htdrongen. wondering if im doin somtin wrong. power supply: 24 v dc 1000 ma. pop cans, 4 coil tubes inner + outer - 2nd from out + outter tube - lol pretty ghetto setup. havent tryed baking soda yet. just sea salt. ps cool coil!!

[evan2ually1]

@demigod197 pop cans are aluminum and will form an oxidation layer on the surface restricting the flow of electrons.

[arealtreat]

Why wouldn't the spiral act like a capacitor? We have a metal spiral form and a water dielectric. Just think about all those capacitor we buy. Nothing special here. Too many newbs trying to crack Meyes' secret.

[arealtreat]

Why wouldn't the spiral act like a capacitor? We have a metal spiral form and a water dielectric. Just think about all those capacitor we buy. Nothing special here. Too many newbs trying to crack Meyes' secret.

[zander798]

damn, i came up with a spiral cell all on my own and have been working on one for the past week, then i see this video and then i realize i wasn't the first one.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@zander798 The older you get, the more you'll realize that original thought, Truly original thought, is very rare. It's humbling.

[1crazyfocker]

@ZeroFossilFuel like the whole idea of H2 O2 as a fuel source, over 100 years old. and it didnt work then and it dont work now. H2 O2 is not a fuel source, its a storage device like a battery, you can only get back if you use an ICE with ALT 35% of what you put into it. its a battery get over it and stop poisoning your self with chromite and us!!! using stainless in a "electrolytic cells" (the real name for it) is worse then dumping crude oil in to a river!!! you are killing your self and others

[a2zhandi]

@ZeroFossilFuel this is because the data emanating from the center of the galaxy is often picked up by many individual open minds.

The rare instances you speak of are because, at the time of information data flow it would appear that only one channel is open to receive. Rare indeed.

In this day and age, probably closer to impossible.

Great findings in your experiments.

Thanks

[protogenius]

@zander798 Yeah I built a spiral cell that has two 6 inch by 4 foot long plates in it, I built mine three years ago. They sure work good.

[UNIVERSSOUL]

Sorry but is this is not disinformation you have to go back to the electronics books the sells don't behave like a capacitor because the electrolyte conductivity.

[LowImpedance1]

I don't know if you are still fallowing this but yes water is dielectric, you have made exactly what you said a capacitor. I believe water dielectric constant is 80.

[caveman200980]

use NaOH or KOH 4:1 and youll be very happy withe results

[hobomnky]

@1WaterlooGuy if u use steel then it will degrade/oxidize, so u have rust in ur water, and u should use NaOH or KOH it is a stroner base and u can use less and get the same results as when u use baking soda, and there will be no other side reactions because of the NaOH/KOH

[kaizercharles]

yeah thats it man! its a capacitor, i usef aluminum plate. My idea is if you use same plate its a capacitor and when different plate e.g. aluminum and iron is could be a diode.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@1WaterlooGuy It's not the baking soda. It depends on the type of stainless you used. Please read my faq.

[mV33rs]

I think you actually made a capacitor.

[hydrohobbyist]

while i dont think HHO[sic] Fuel Cell[sic] are generating 'free' energy, i think alot can be achieved by categorising a reaction in the combustion cylinder as a hydrogen event, rather like a fuel additive, but remember we already have to add to fuel to reduce pre-ignition, so it balances out here, by the time you add in damage from piston knock, sacrificial anode and cathode, and electrolyte, plus the energy consumed at the alternator under load, then the costs by far outway the benefits.

[c0d37rulez]

you make some mistake cose ohms are never in minus. theree is no anomaly, you see what you want see, ask someone who is understanding in electronic

[williamblake69]

WOW ...... amazing results ..... i am still trying to make sense of it ...... but great experiment

[KKinsane2009]

O_O you get it but you don't let it charge up to break point, god damn this whole search is annoying me to the core, i'm just gunna build the damn thing...

[danz409]

think of how your cell is made. now take apart an electrolytic capacitor, notice something? they are both made exactly the same. what you have IS a capacitor. it just gives off gas and is also a load

put more electrolytes in your water and the capacitance will go down

[Erniz2]

is it better to have higher Amperage an lower voltage or vice versa: lower amperage and higher voltage on plates?

[Teslatez]

Better have higher gas output, eheh! the other stuff is relative to cell construction... there are so many ways to make a big boom, the goal is the big boom, not how you make the boom! ^^

[Erniz2]

so thats why I am asking , what makes more gas: more Volts or Amps?

[Driv3th3hiv3]

Higher amperage at lower voltage

Though the lower the voltage the more cataylst you need to add to lower the fluid resistance

[62636263c]

I'm holding out for the special power cord they're presently transporting to the plug in, on the bottom of the sun.

[revolxaohemwolb]

"HHO" is a HHOax. These silly things take more energy from the crankshaft than they return. They will REDUCE fuel economy, but will NEVER increase it! Not unless you can find a 100% efficient alternator belt, 100% efficient alternator, 100% efficient electrolyser and a 100% efficient internal combustion engine, "HHO" systems won't do so much as break even. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says 'no free lunch!'

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You're welcome to express your opinion, even if it disagrees with mine. However, you may NOT spam my channel. One more duplicate post and you're done. Got it?

[caveman200980]

chinese fuel cell breaks 1st law of thermodynamics, so your wrong!

also if it gives me extra 10mi to the gallon is good for me

[losinmortales]

My friend, you should learn about "stan meyers", he cleaned his ass with the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

LOL! Nice one.

[clnmyjts]

use 4 sheets rolled up together?

2 pos , 2 neg?

[103shovelhead]

Hi! ZeroFossilFuel. Kev hear from OZ. I'am new to the suppHHO scene. I don't want to stuff you around with my "jargon" but in your opinion does the spiral cell work better than a conventional flat plate drycell. I'am inspired by you blokes. Cheers Kev.

[fercarcas]

hello mr zero. thanks for you work. I think you have answered this question a lot of times, but the question remains: Is the resonance a more efficient way of producing HHO than ordinary eletrolysis? What are the voltages produced in resonant cycles across the cell plates? Is enough to disrupt the resistance of water (in case of non use of any salt).

[zanardimotors]

Hello from Italy .

ALL wonderfull !

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Um, pratinus, yes it is spam, and a scam. And now you are blocked from further posting.

Have a nice day!

Anyone else considering posting anything related to Magniwork, DON'T. You have been warned.

[smilisav]

I like your decision. I hate those Magniwork scammers just as much as anyone who knows anything.

Another thing: try to stack those stainless steel "kitchen nets" used to take pasta out of boiling water. (Don't know the name.)

Put some plastic mosquito net in between to isolate, and connect them to your power supply. You will get much bigger contact area.

Compare.

[insAneTunA]

less efficient, to much current leakage. Youtuber llewgnal is doing many tests with screens, but to this point the results are not satisfying. So far the plate configuration seems to give the best results. At least that is what most people have experienced. If you watch the following complete video from the beginning till the end then you will have your answer. watch?v=MF3OPg5GxAM

[gfcgamer]

That is not 316l by looking.

IT NEED TO BE 316l INOX for VERY BETTER results.

IT is BETTER if uses PVDF as spacer.

If you want something great.

[danratsnapnames]

would you look at that.. someone finally used a ohm meeter to see that a hho cell is nothing more than a liquid capacitor! whooo hooo.. its about time.

now if you would just apply some tesla theroes to your hho cells, you may have something.. Wireless Power sources, YES ITS POSSIBLE! draw the power from the EARTH.. geez.

[Jay12341235]

how do you draw power from the earth? can you give me some pointers on hwere to look for the info?

[Baronstone]

Check out Tesla's work. He proved you could do it.

[Braniac29]

He proved it, developed, implemented it. Did everything but market it, unfortunately. That doesn't undermine his brilliance, but it is unfortunate. I've always wondered what electricity would look like if we had gone with Tesla's ideas.

[desertbard]

Look up earth battery. It was used in the late 19th century for sending morse code.

[danratsnapnames]

telsa also demonstrated that energy stored in this flux, suffers little to NO loss. we use this method to make your CAR run today. tesla believed that this flux could be maintained for a indefinate period of time, adn thus allow someone to transport any amount of evergy inside of it. he also therorized that the earth its self was a capacitor, and spent the rest of his life trying to find a harmonic balance to the earth capacitor, which could draw from its parent.

[NaturalCiderVinegar]

very intriuging

[ZeroKool2k9]

ZeroFossilFuel

With a large capacitance of 2200uF, wouldn't you also need a large inductance as well to get the tank circuit resonate?

In order for the tank circuit to resonate (underdamped), this condition must be met:

L/(R*R*C) > 0.25 - therefore L > 0.25*(R*R*C) {> means greater than}

[ZeroFossilFuel]

That depends largely on the desired impedance at resonance, but generally speaking, yes.

[ZeroKool2k9]

hmmm....Generally speaking, as u want to increase your inductance the more coils it will need and thus the reisistance will also increase as well.

You will need a very high permeability core material in order to keep your inductance high and resistance low.

[ZeroKool2k9]

OK...I see why you said you would want to tune your inductance to be very small....you want your cell to resonate at a higher frequency.

[JIMMYTENMEDDLES]

For stats and experimental purposes have a stainless moving plate capsitor running in electrolite against a known XL when you ajustthe cap (plates) to near dynamic resiance or resonantce you will be able to aply an error voltage to a varactor across the XL VCO style.

[Chick6517]

This is really interesting to watch! Especially when I'm at work right now. haha cool video hope you make more in the future

[coolcash2007]

I tell what if I found a way to run a car on water I would just give out the plans to everyone for free . I don't care about the money . look at all the people that have a car but cant use it because gas is high . oh well have a good day everyone . And a safe year..

[MajorUtah]

"coolcash2007"

The W.F.C. plans are offered for free...

[sebosfato]

so something is missing to you. I know what is it and i'm working for finish the project. I can't reveal this to anyone like stan did, to protected the technology, this way i can use it as i think is correct, otherwise would be very dangerous to have many people trying to replicate the cell i want too to protect my secrets. Believe me all i want is a better world for us. help my project if you want a better world too.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Forgive my saying so, but your solicitation Has the word scam written all over it. Show us first complete details of your work so far. Then, and only then, maybe someone will consider sending you 1,000 euros. But not me.

[sebosfato]

you can think what you want zero fossil. i wont show my complete solution. i know the answer. i just gave you some questions to think and maybe conclude that i'm geting there and help me. until i'm not secure that the technology will go to mass production i wont reveal the secrete but is already copied and on a safe place in the case something hapend to me. best regards

[TheTwistedGypsy]

@sebosfato something already happened to you...its called mental illness...hahahaha

[digzie1]

ppl like sebosfato scare me too,and i enjoy the ppl who just put it all on the table like you do, one thing i just cant wrap my mind around is "corrosion" to the cylinders after shut down,the salt-sodium-etc needed to conduct electricty,seems like an issue to me,any thoughts about after run oil,or is it not an issue? thanks.......

[sebosfato]

Philldapill85 you are wrong because you are missing the current where it come from there are some diferent ways of doing this cell coated non coated depends on the designe of the rest of the cirquit. as zero fossil noted is a very high capacitance and with the design made by meyer of the coils wich are +- 100 mh the secondary and more of the resonant charging chokes the r frequencie would certainly not be on the audio range stan said.

[aluka1603]

i had strange reading on my " roled mesh" cell to it behaves half capacitor half Battery, do you have a clue?

[futahroid]

whats an inch

get metric cock-knuckle

learn to use your meter

know what your meter is for

learn how your meter works

make a bridge meter

for fucks sake do some electronics courses before you tell some bullshit

oops too late

you just showed us you dont know what your doing

bummer

[brianwesley28]

Interesting because when I first saw this design, I thought that it reminded me of a capacitor design that I have seen.

[GentleManSteve65]

Yes I wonder when somebody will make a electrolytic capacitor Hydrogen cell. Meyrs claimed to have made a capacitor cell but he also said you can use ocean water or salt water. That will not work with stainless steal using salt water or ocean water but if you made a electrolytic capacitor then you can use oxidized Aluminum for that kind of cell and that way it will work good with or without electrolytes

[brianwesley28]

When you mention oxidized aluminum, I assume that you are referring to aluminum oxide? I'll give it some thought.

[GentleManSteve65]

When Aluminum oxidizes it get a coat of oxidized Aluminum on the outside of the aluminum that protects it from farther Oxidation and acts like a diode and only allows electricity to travel in one direction so it becomes a conductor and a none conductor and when it oxidizes and the bubbles stop forming is when it has oxidized well enough to make the electrolytic capacitor. Some people do not know about this type of capacitor but Aluminum is perfect for it.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Bare aluminum in contact with water decomposes violently releasing H. BUT, when it comes in contact with water it immediately forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide. KOH dissolves the oxide. That's why it decomposes the Al and releases H.

BUT, this microscopic insulating layer would also be PERFECT for creating a step charged electric field without the short circuit we create now using electrolytes like KOH or NaOH.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[GentleManSteve65]

Yes my point about Stan meyrs way of not using electrolytes. If people have some impurities in the water it wouldn't bother the cell

[HawkNo1]

Yea It is the one I described on other sites about 2 years ago and you people are just now getting to it? I described it with Wire Mesh 40 X40 and 4" wide. I could only buy it in 5' lengths and have a problem splicing them together to make a much longer 2 ply roll of toilet paper with rubber bands on one of the lengths. I also said it could be done with solid SS. Looks like some one finally did it. The problem is that Stanley Meyers Method does not destroy the metal.

[HawkNo1]

He said his will last 10,000 years when he used those tubes of his. That means the SS Mesh would also last for thousands of years without needing to be replaced. You people are still stuck on electrolytic solutions. Get your head out of your you know where and make it like Meyers did. With no Electrolytic solutions and with as close to know amps as possible and in resonance.

[HawkNo1]

Use a car coil with the pulses feed into it. Those things put out close to 50K to 60K volt and the amps are little to none. It already runs off a 12 volts DC circuit. Once you get the resonance issue solved then post it for everyone else. And again Forget the Electrolytic solutions. You are wasting your time with old news. Meyer's got 1,700% efficiency vs. 300% efficiency with the best electrolytic set up.

[HawkNo1]

The reason I have not been able to complete my set up is my wife keeps me doing other things. We are having legal battles of my own from being poisoned for 8 years with chemicals and the health affects it caused me for the last 20 years. MS Like disease, MCS or EI. You name it and it affected my whole body. Don't Trust your employer to take care of you if they poison you. Instead they will go into conspiracy to hide the truth.

[chimpmunkproof]

why does everyone touch their cells

fingerprints of skin oil = bad production

[mexiputah]

dont know what you guys are talking about ..I just need a device to install on my truck and thats it....I am a consumer full stop.

[tinkertom2118]

yeh! nice

[Philldapill85]

Here is an easy way to measure capacitance... Apply a voltage to the "capacitor". Read the voltage on the cap, then remove the voltage source. What happens to the voltage? It should slowly decrease for a REAL capacitor. A good cap will hold it's charge for a LONG time. If you put a parallel resistor across the terminals, the voltage will drop as a function of Euler's number, "e". If you want to know the capacitance, you can solve for it by measuring the time it takes to reduce by half.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Trouble is the discharge curve is not linear. There is an avalanche breakdown of the water dielectric that occurs around 2v.

[Philldapill85]

Exactly my point. The discharge curve is non-linear... a exponential function of e. I don't know what kind of education you have, but basically, it's a simple RC constant. Simply put, the voltage at any given time(t), will be V(t) = V(initial) / e^(t/RC) as the capacitor discharges. It's a non-linear curve. That's basic electricity theory. If you know some algebra, you can solve for RC.

Do an expirement and measure the initial voltage, and measure the voltage again at specific time intervals.

[Philldapill85]

Fool. The reason the resistance changes in the beginning, is because when measuring resistance, the meter is applying a small voltage. This voltage produces a small current, which causes chemical changes on the plates. The chemical changes make the reading increase, then when you reverse, you get the opposite effect. Go to school. Learn some real stuff about it and then tinker in your garage.

[heartwind321]

You keep talking about "Being in Resonance"

How are you determining-producing "Resonance" By Magic? By Looking at the Plates... Yup they look the same...

All of these numbers and calculations are great.... except where/how does one start to have a repeatable experiment?? Lots of folks claiming they have done things... where though does one start to reproduce these "miracles of water" by making Resonant SS plates Has anyone addressed that?

[sickpigrecords]

and there may also be a way of using a catalist to change it to somthin non carcinogenic but then again chared food is supposed to be a carcinogen if i get cancer or my liver packs up i will be blaming it on my rampant lifestyle

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Good point. If not convert, at least stabalize for safe disposal.

[gozarca2]

When you use stainless steel, you produce hydrogen gas (H2), oxygen gas (O2) and HEXAVALIENT CHROMIUM (aka Erin Brokavich's claim to fame). This stuff is a VERY nasty heavy toxic metal. 1ppm in drinking water is unsafe. I'm concerned people are building these things and dumping the waste down the drain, saying they "beat big oil and big oil is conspiring to keep this solution quiet".

VERY BAD STUFF! They don't put these things in cars for a reason.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You raise a valid concern. 304 is the worst, 316L better, nitronic 50 or 60 best. I always bring my waste solutions to hazmat collections. A vid on safe handling is probably in order.

We are looking at titanium as an alternative but it's very expensive. Can you suggest a cost effective alternative?

[Philldapill85]

Titanium is almost as bad as plain iron. It oxidizes very quickly and becomes unuseable very fast. Try bronze or brass flashing. The stuff isn't toxic and lasts a good bit of time.

[sickpigrecords]

dude it dosent matter what way u dress it up water beats oil and if hexavalient chromium is the problem from the stainless steal just use another metal .come on ... do u think before u post or what and FYI i have drank the resulting fluid didnt get sick stupid yes taste wired yes very bad stuff i would say not. try huffing on some straight exhaust gas & see how u do .better yet drink alittle petrol and tell me u feel ok if you are worried about the carcinagenic effects its mainly from inhalation

[Philldapill85]

"dude"... I'm not one to bash on hydrogen production - it's clean and abundant. The only problem is the energy source needed to make it. The hydrogen is simply the fuel - a carrier for energy. It's not the energy source. Playing around in your garage trying to make some silly "resonant" circuit out of this stuff is a total waste of time. I wish people that are interested in this sort of thing would go to school, get a degree, and provide some REAL help to solving the energy problem. Until then..

[sickpigrecords]

i am doing a degree next year i am on a levels at the moment and all seems to be going well but it is most stupid to think we know it all or even a fraction about what there is to know about energy and energy extaction as well as physics and chemistry the laws are just theorys just very good ones and could have some details wrong einstine wasnt shure when it came to a few things like zero point energy he just needed more time. we have the quantum world to play with now an little is known fact

[Philldapill85]

I agree that it is stupid to act as if humanity knows everything about the physical world. However, if you are trying to draw upon that and use it to show that maybe this whole resonance thing DOES have some merit, then show it, I urge you.

I don't like the whole resonance idea about splitting water because simply put, the resonating nature of the makeshift capacitor and inductor have NOTHING to do with the water and viseversa. Yes, the water acts as a crappy dielectric but what I said holds.

[BlackIronBear]

Wow...the depth of your ignorance truly knows no bounds. Tell you what...why dont YOU go get a degree instead of whining like a puppy locked in the garage...until then...;)

[BlackIronBear]

that comment was for Philldapill85, by the way. Just in case there is any doubt.

[1freedomfighter1]

And the text books know all right. why don't you work on the stuff before you open your trap. go look up browns gas that has been on the market for over 25 years and implodes as well as you can hold your hand 4 inches away from where you are burning a hole threw brick. every thing you have said is your opinion and nothing more. Stop riding coat tales of 100 year old books that are full of deliberate lies and false information. I have seen weight loss with this technology as well as transmutation

[metalminded]

you sound like a dimwitt

[sebosfato]

you are wrong my friend look my video

[GBS1043]

sorry, six liters per minute, at what pressure x1 att ?

[RobC1999]

Amazing results! You may want to put together an RC circuit or timing circuit to measure the capacitance without the meter to verify.

I look forward to catching up on the rest of your videos!

[GBS1043]

use a bridge

[KnightChatX]

Also, the motion of the particles wired a certain way across generates energy. An electrical spark. A side project not HHO gen related describes it a bit, pass drops of water through conductive small cans and catch water in larger can's underneath, stack small on top, have 2 water channels, connect wires from can A to Can D and Can B to Can C, and with electrode a spark can be seen ever so often.

[GBS1043]

The water has been contaminated by the marine goop and the cable ties, oil from your hands, etc...What did the cell measure before you put it into the water? Was the SS completely decontaminated before you started?

Again, what is the free air cap>?

xxxxx xxx xxx in xx field xxxxxxxx with xx xxx That is the way to go

[KnightChatX]

Good point, metal isn't cross scored either.

[KnightChatX]

Another thing to note, the negative electrical direction or charged plates exposed in the dialectric (distilled water) produces hydrogen gas, while the positive charged plates produce oxygen, so to produce more hydrogen the higher negatively charged plates should do a bit more of that work.

[KnightChatX]

Bingo! Yep, same effect as takes place when battery is charging to create the HHO, it's basically a capacitor opened up, and you harvest the gas byproduct from the electrical reaction, then electrolysis process. The dialectric, exposed metals etc contain a stored energy charge because those particles are electrically charged.

[sbj469]

Hey Zero appreciate your work. How did/does this configuration perform in solution?

[smackout]

very good suggestion djdeadulus, unlocking the evolving patterns secrets will definitely prove interesting. everything is, after all, energy.

[djdaedulus]

You should look into the studies of fractals. Does this apparatus generate any type of down/up ward frequency generation?

[TeslaLight]

You really need to break down and buy a real meter.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I'm now using a Fluke 177, 0.09% basic accuracy. Good enough for you?

[TeslaLight]

Nope, a Fourier analysis would be good enough for me.

I am making 6 liters per minute on 159 watts with straight DC so I know the results are accurate. Is that good enough for you? :-)

[GBS1043]

four liters per minute at what pressure ?

[eandatoo]

cool demonstration

[vdubdipr]

gotta love the goop marine, thats what i use.

[83Marine]

Water is an universal solvent, the higher the purity the more 'reactive' it is. DI water can be 18.3 meg ohms but it reacts with the air and dissolves carbon dioxide and the resistance drops. Water stored in plastic bottles dissolve the plastizers in the plastic, so trying to use a number from the book will be difficult. I like that when the numbers did not match, you figured out why and tried a different approach to prove why. Keep up the good work.

[tonkaaaaa]

I was told that math wouldn't be used at this meeting.

[smokyatgroups]

re: Capacitance, it's best measured under actual operating conditions rather than out of circuit bridge. Yes can trigger scope off applied pulse tho need to be aware, trigger delay before sweep start in scope is additional time. If using CH1 for volts and CH2 for current & measuring time, use chopped NOT alternate* sweep function. (*undefined time delay here also).

keep up your great work Zero!!

[0WildBill0]

I see now, thank you for explaining. Great video!

Bill

[0WildBill0]

Water is a good insulator, distilled water is even better. You have water in between your conductors so therefore, insulator between conductors equals a capacitor. Am I missing something here? (always possible)

Bill

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Dielectric or air = 1. Capacitance with a dielectric of 1 between the plates is 372pF.

Dielectric of h2o = 80 (at 68*F). Capacitance should have measured 372pF * 80, or 29760pF (29nF, .029uF). It measured 2,200uF which is 75,000 time the capacitance I was expecting.

The water used was collected air conditiner condensate. Even the purest store bought steam distilled measured 1,054uF.

[smokyatgroups]

measure the phase difference between the applied voltage pulse and the current using a 2 channel scope & small sensing resistor then calculate the capacitance from the delay between applying the pulse and the current rise wave form.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You can also do the same thing with one channel by using the applied voltage as the trigger and watching the rise time on the scope.

[mr1997]

In distilled water I got 50,000 ufd on my 15 plate aaron's cell using a fluke multimeter. The capacitance would rise and fall as I lowered/raised the cell in the water.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Pure distilled? or was there elyte in there too?

[mr1997]

No electrolyte. I buy the water from a "water store" up the street. There process includes reverse osmosis, UV light, charcoal filter and a sediment filter.

[codemasterofs]

Can't wait to see you tune this guy! Quite impatiently waiting...

Done yet?!?!?!?

How about now???

[JavaLessons]

LOL,

we luvvvv anomalies !

[shubus]

Quite a result. One wonders what the breakdown voltage would be :) Sounds like the right capacitance for a low voltage electrolytic rather than a water dielectric capacitor.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

It was very odd. Air had a dielectric constant of 1.00005 or something close to 1. One plate has the equiv of 75sq" and a 0.045" spacing to the other plate. The predicted air capacitance is 375pF. The measured air capacitance was 372pF.

So, with a dielectric constant of 80, I expected the water capacitance to be 372pF * 80 or approx 0.03uF. What I got is 2,200uF.

I will be buying a gallon of deionized distilled at the grocer today to run another test and verify.

[popeye11068]

Those meters are not made for our "lossy" cap's and some meters will react different to others.

When i put a resistor of 2K2 on my cap meter it measures 180nF , a 100Ohm resistor measures as 3,6microFarad ...:-)

This meter calculates the charge-curve of a cap wich is normally not influenced by DC resistance.

[crob227]

wait till you see what happen when you pulse it. (dc battery 18volt trigger it makes ac voltage) put the cap/cell to work, i dont mean to broadcast on your channel but could you check me out. my spark cell shows interesting results

and strange phenomena, only when a good spark is made.

[marthale7]

Interesting, for distilled water.. Wonder if there is any residue on the plates? Very surprising. Nice work.

[waynedavisband]

very interesting results looking forward to the next video