"computers have a limited number of connections, brains have trillions"!!!
A good single computer nowaday can go well over 100 billion connections in the circuitry. (CPU, GPU, RAM, other chips) and well over 8 trillion cells including a 1 TB hard disk in the count.
@jbat100 said: " yet any task has to be broken down into the most ridiculously simple steps for them to do anything useful."
The brain takes many years to bring into the subconscious the control of the body, you cannot do much in multitasking consciously, try cleaning a window while typing your friends number in your cell phone, while mentally summing the number from 1 to 20.
The computer has a very high level of multitasking, and is designed to do the best with the resources available.
I love everything I'm hearing. Its a meal for me to digest. Unrelated, the subject matter would have that much more impact if Douglas Rain's HAL 9000 were reading it. Just a fun thought.
Pinker: "Information and computation reside in patterns of data and in relations of logic independent of the physical medium that carries them." Dude, can you please speak simple english? Even Einstein didn't talk like this when answering philosophical questions.
@mahadragon that's because he's answering less philosophically and more scientifically. what he's saying is that the mind with it's information and computation is on another level that is emergent from the smaller parts. looking at neurons you can't see thoughts. but if you look at the neurons in a vast net, you might begin to see thoughts. kind of like the data on your computer. each bit says nothing, but as an ocean of bits may portray a picture or a program or a principle with its reasons.
That we observe things like life or gravity,doses not mean that we understand them. Gravity was a "simple fact" for cavemen but was not understood until Newton worked out the mathematics.Gravity
is still a mystery,do you have a gravity generator?
The word noise implies that the system is faulty or needs fixing,that is an absurd idea when applied to a near perfect system,such as a hummingbird or Megan Fox,to say the system is noisy,means you don't understand the system.You can't argue with perfection.
Thinking,consciousness,biology and evolution,are probably "run" on an atomic or quantum computational systems,we can never fully understand.
Every brain assembled itself. That is a simple fact. Your brain, and you, started out from a single cell, which divided, grew, and divided again until it became you.
you just pulled that out of your ass. one single cell in your body is more complex than all advance space ship ever made. and you have billions of cells. we are wonderfully made.
Actually the neural change that creates personality is based not on neural growth but neural death. Before this die off the brain is one large mostly undifferentiated mass. This is the reason our personalities reflect our early environment more than our genes, a fact supported by twin studies.
"Every brain assembled itself. That is a simple fact"...maybe so, from our very very limited point of view. Living things like brains,eyeballs,dogs,birds,fish and the like sure look as if they do assemble themselves,but how do you know,with absolute certainty,that there is not more going on than meets the eye.
Please explain,just exactly how so much dust,air and water eventually, pulls itself together,to windup walking around and eating canned sardines and typing comments on the internet?That's some very lucky mud. To say something is a FACT,or a SIMPLE FACT but than have absolutely no understanding or concrete explanation about the basic nature of that FACT,is really not saying much.
why is it so hard for scientist,to admit they have no clue,they always say the answer is just around the corner..... "that we can't know anything" I've never heard that one...? Anyhow "Emergence" is the new word some scientist use to explain evolution, life and consciousness,but what are the basic forces,principles,mathematics,driving it ?The question of how or why living things do grow in ever increasing complexity is always ignored.
You ignored my question and fall back on the old saw of "Since we don't know everything, we don't know anything"
We know that evolution is a fact. We know that all living species evolved from earlier forms, and we know that increased complexity is the hallmark of bottom-up, unplanned, non-directed, evolved systems.
We know very well what forces drive evolution....but the deniers are willful in their ignorance of such things.
@kshackleton i love it when people who think they're schooled in philosohpy can call bs so quickly against these science based explanations which are very cogent and are actually mind opening on the subject of mind philosophy. they want to stick with their old philosophical idols who may have theorized 'interesting' perspectives on reality that spawned other ideas, but are now being phased out with better information. the core ideas can still apply. it's the specifics that get tricky.
Actually, there is a lot of noise although it is not completely random (few things are). We have 100 billion neurons and thousands of connections (synapses) on each neuron and we receive information from many sources. You don't experience the noise because the brain is good at sorting through its own noise both at the cellular and cognitive levels.
There is no evidence the mind has a hidden subconscious symbolic operating system,how would such a system be encoded in DNA ? If molecules act as symbols their number and shape would exceed the DNA blueprint? so 1+1=3 it just dose not add up.
"computers have a limited number of connections, brains have trillions"!!!
A good single computer nowaday can go well over 100 billion connections in the circuitry. (CPU, GPU, RAM, other chips) and well over 8 trillion cells including a 1 TB hard disk in the count.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine yet any task has to be broken down into the most ridiculously simple steps for them to do anything useful.
jbat100 1 year ago
@jbat100 said: " yet any task has to be broken down into the most ridiculously simple steps for them to do anything useful."
The brain takes many years to bring into the subconscious the control of the body, you cannot do much in multitasking consciously, try cleaning a window while typing your friends number in your cell phone, while mentally summing the number from 1 to 20.
The computer has a very high level of multitasking, and is designed to do the best with the resources available.
saintpine 1 year ago
I love everything I'm hearing. Its a meal for me to digest. Unrelated, the subject matter would have that much more impact if Douglas Rain's HAL 9000 were reading it. Just a fun thought.
rhatcher010 1 year ago
Pinker: "Information and computation reside in patterns of data and in relations of logic independent of the physical medium that carries them." Dude, can you please speak simple english? Even Einstein didn't talk like this when answering philosophical questions.
mahadragon 1 year ago
@mahadragon that's because he's answering less philosophically and more scientifically. what he's saying is that the mind with it's information and computation is on another level that is emergent from the smaller parts. looking at neurons you can't see thoughts. but if you look at the neurons in a vast net, you might begin to see thoughts. kind of like the data on your computer. each bit says nothing, but as an ocean of bits may portray a picture or a program or a principle with its reasons.
Thrashaero 1 year ago
That we observe things like life or gravity,doses not mean that we understand them. Gravity was a "simple fact" for cavemen but was not understood until Newton worked out the mathematics.Gravity
is still a mystery,do you have a gravity generator?
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
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zigzagolot77 2 years ago
The word noise implies that the system is faulty or needs fixing,that is an absurd idea when applied to a near perfect system,such as a hummingbird or Megan Fox,to say the system is noisy,means you don't understand the system.You can't argue with perfection.
Thinking,consciousness,biology and evolution,are probably "run" on an atomic or quantum computational systems,we can never fully understand.
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
"The word noise implies that the system is faulty or needs fixing"
No, it doesn't. It just means that something extra is there, sort of random and unnecessary. It's imprecise, but accurate in probabilistic terms.
GBart 2 years ago
6:57 assemble themselves?
Can a jigsaw puzzle assemble it self?
Sounds like magic.
how dose the first part get assembled?
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
Every brain assembled itself. That is a simple fact. Your brain, and you, started out from a single cell, which divided, grew, and divided again until it became you.
kshackleton 2 years ago 10
you just pulled that out of your ass. one single cell in your body is more complex than all advance space ship ever made. and you have billions of cells. we are wonderfully made.
mfgunit 2 years ago
So...your point is?
We all grow from a single feritilized egg. What I stated is simply observed fact.
kshackleton 2 years ago
Actually the neural change that creates personality is based not on neural growth but neural death. Before this die off the brain is one large mostly undifferentiated mass. This is the reason our personalities reflect our early environment more than our genes, a fact supported by twin studies.
madscirat 2 years ago
"Every brain assembled itself. That is a simple fact"...maybe so, from our very very limited point of view. Living things like brains,eyeballs,dogs,birds,fish and the like sure look as if they do assemble themselves,but how do you know,with absolute certainty,that there is not more going on than meets the eye.
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
I did not claim that we know all the mechanisms involved with the assembly; we do know quite a bit about it though.
The fact of the matter is that living creatures self-assemble from a single cell.
kshackleton 2 years ago
Please explain,just exactly how so much dust,air and water eventually, pulls itself together,to windup walking around and eating canned sardines and typing comments on the internet?That's some very lucky mud. To say something is a FACT,or a SIMPLE FACT but than have absolutely no understanding or concrete explanation about the basic nature of that FACT,is really not saying much.
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
What are you saying here? We see *what* happens, however, we still do not know *how* it all comes about.
To say that we have "no understanding" is simply false. We do understand quite a bit about the assembly process.
Why is it such a common misconception among the religious that if we don't know everything, that we cannot know anything?
Explain that one for me please.
kshackleton 2 years ago
why is it so hard for scientist,to admit they have no clue,they always say the answer is just around the corner..... "that we can't know anything" I've never heard that one...? Anyhow "Emergence" is the new word some scientist use to explain evolution, life and consciousness,but what are the basic forces,principles,mathematics,driving it ?The question of how or why living things do grow in ever increasing complexity is always ignored.
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
You ignored my question and fall back on the old saw of "Since we don't know everything, we don't know anything"
We know that evolution is a fact. We know that all living species evolved from earlier forms, and we know that increased complexity is the hallmark of bottom-up, unplanned, non-directed, evolved systems.
We know very well what forces drive evolution....but the deniers are willful in their ignorance of such things.
kshackleton 2 years ago
"The question of how or why living things do grow in ever increasing complexity is always ignored."
That's exactly what the theory of evolution is. It's... the opposite of ignored.
GBart 2 years ago
@kshackleton i love it when people who think they're schooled in philosohpy can call bs so quickly against these science based explanations which are very cogent and are actually mind opening on the subject of mind philosophy. they want to stick with their old philosophical idols who may have theorized 'interesting' perspectives on reality that spawned other ideas, but are now being phased out with better information. the core ideas can still apply. it's the specifics that get tricky.
Thrashaero 1 year ago
How does a snow-flake assemble itself into such an intricate pattern when it is governed by a small set of simple rules?
soylentgreenb 2 years ago
6:25 The screech when you log on to dial-up
sounds like useless noise,but is in fact computer code,
I doubt anything the brain does is random noise.
Biology is near perfection.look at humming birds,I doubt they have randomly noisy brains.
When you probe a group of neurons and hear noise,what did you expect? What does a super computer sound like?.
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
Have you ever read the comment sections on Youtube? There is most definitely a lot of random noise that goes on in people's brains.
omegavalerius 2 years ago 11
@omegavalerius nice
TheNoisemaster 1 year ago
Actually, there is a lot of noise although it is not completely random (few things are). We have 100 billion neurons and thousands of connections (synapses) on each neuron and we receive information from many sources. You don't experience the noise because the brain is good at sorting through its own noise both at the cellular and cognitive levels.
bocanutz 2 years ago
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zigzagolot77 2 years ago
Bits of matter? 2:46 what matter?
Is there a grandmother molecule?
There is no evidence the mind has a hidden subconscious symbolic operating system,how would such a system be encoded in DNA ? If molecules act as symbols their number and shape would exceed the DNA blueprint? so 1+1=3 it just dose not add up.
How do you add molecules to make a sum.
How do you then read and store that answer?
zigzagolot77 2 years ago
thanks for putting these up RA.
Keylimedelight 3 years ago
nice vid
Dimitrij90 3 years ago 2