I don't agree with everything you say, but having grown up drugged and guilt ridden for "acting out" at school and church and in life in general; I thank you for bringing up some wonderful points and shedding some light on this dark truth.
I agree with most everything you said. However, I think you should have avoided politicizing a few things. You would have a few great things to say, then sneak some right-wing talking points in here in there (quoting Michelle Rhee, bashing unions, calling social security a ponzi scheme, etc).
Depression is a very common diagnosis, hell I've been diagnosed with it. However, I developed depression because of my social surroundings. People need to realize that it's not the person that's ill, it's the people that's surrounding them that's ill.
the reality is most people with mental illnesses are neglected and put at the bottom of the list. People talk about help being availible but at the end of the day you are on your own in the real world. THe most they ever experience is being labled. THere is no help in the big wide world. THey say their is but reality is quite different. If you think anybody cares im afraid you are in for a shock
As someone who has been diagnosed with mental illness, it actually makes sense. Nobody is "normal". Nobody should be categorized, because of what society perceives itself to be. If everyone had panic attacks, which everyone does at least once, we would all be deemed ill. Which in technicality, we are. Nobody is "normal".
I was put on Zoloft the summer before my junior year of high school. That first quarter, I received straight A's for the first and only time in my life. Everyone in my life was finally proud of me but it didn't matter because I no longer had feelings. I was robot who did exactly what they were suppose to. By chance, an accident, I stopped talking my pills. A month later, I dropped out of school for good~ I lost one of my best friends to an anti-depressant overdoes a month ago. RIP Troy Dawson.
i respect what you have to say, and there must be some truth to what you say, but i respectfully disagree. you are giving the public one sided information. you are telling the public what to think and what is good and what is bad. telling the public that drugs are bad and the government is selling the public lies. you are doing exactly what you claim the government is doing. i didn't have enough to explain or back up what i'm saying is, it is up to the individual to decipher right from wrong
Stefan, I'm curious, how much time have you spent working with or being around people with a serious and persistent mental illness? Having no real education or experience in economics, would that qualify me to comment on issues affecting the economy? Your viewpoint on a free-market society are interesting and quite valid, however your position on mental illness is sickeningly ignorant and careless. Stick to subjects you are qualified to comment on please.
@deziistheone When he says "mental illness", he is mostly referring to social diseases, which are mental illnesses. Being someone that thought he may have had one until he watched this video, I think he hit the nail right on the god damn head.
@ThomasCarle Stefan has, on more than one occasion, dismissed economic theories from academics because they have no experience in the private sector (whereas he does) and that point is valid. I am only holding him accountable to his own standards. Much like how he comments on parenting, yet has no children of his own. It's a common theme of Stefan's sermons. To say people are badly informed about a field he has no experience in is ridiculously hypocritical, don't you think?
@deziistheone you should check your facts. Your saying he doesn't have children..... just check your facts, because it becomes very apparent how ignorant you are.
@ktooty My mistake ktooty. Thanks for pointing that out. That doesn't, however, validate his comments about mental illness. His experience as an IT professional is quite far from the experience necessary to be an authority on the complexities of mental health. What's more, his comments are careless, ignorant and potentially dangerous.
Sir. All I Can Say Is WOW, Just Wow. I didn't understand quite all of it (no native english speaker), but what I understood was astonishing and forcing me to agree. Thank You For These Videos! Live on and Make this worlda better place!
All the research in the world cannot explain the spiritual side of dreams. THere have been people who have been plagued with bad dreams that are actually caused by other evil spirits. Psychiatry cannot explain this or does not beleive in it. Dreams are not just our minds but actually spiritual. FOr some people it can be very disturbing
One must learn to become a fool to be accepted. Tolerate, overlook the double standard until you just either give up and give in to anything. The other choice is to die fighting. Trying to fit in to sick society will make you sick....
In general this is a very interesting approach to mental health, and I think it warrants thinking about. However, there is a great deal of generalisation and some misunderstanding of child psychology. The most striking thing was the almost-concealed blanket statement: "There is no biological component of mental illness" - I'd like to see your evidence in support of that.
@PoledniceWP There is no biological test for any "mental illness" the handbook is all about behavior. If a condition (set of behaviors) is shown to have a biological cause then it is just a illness with behavioral symptoms. Alzheimer's is a real disease that attacks cognition and behavior, but nobody calls it a mental illness.
@WorBlux yes there is. it is a common misconception.
people with schizophrenia show atrophy of the cortex (MRI/CT). and increased activity of broca's area (normally active during speech) on PECT scans during hallucinations, which explains auditory hallucin. (patients' own thoughts, perceived as external). they also fail to see the "hollow mask" illusion (long explanation).
i learned in medschool 20 yrs ago: we haven't found the biological cause yet, doesn't mean there isn't one. now we know.
@castelgandalf Umm, no that doesn't really show a biological cause. We know that brain activity can be affected by thought alone. Meditation can and will change brain structure. In addition so will certain types of emotional trauma. But you really miss the point. If you to pinpoint a biological defect as responsible then it's just illness and not mental illness.
There may be dual cases where some biological anomaly will magnify some sort of induced behavior or thought process for which neither alone would account for such behavior.
INTERESTING. While his points about the the sickness of society are relevant it is ridiculous to take up a a wholly environmental view of mental health. Genetic and biological components are important and scientifically undeniable. The environmental and biological cannot be separated.
Stef: the anatomical analogy 'using muscles in opposition to eachother will produce injury' doesn't work to prove your point. In anatomy we call muscles 'agonists' and 'antagonists'. Movement necessitates both contraction and relaxation of agonists and antagonists at the same time. A sort of a contradiction or 'doublemove'.
How do we fix this broken society? More importantly, where do we begin? Too much is wrong with America - everything from over consumption, to corporate media censorship, to debt slavery imposed upon us by the central banks, to the corruption of our politicians, to the military industrial complex...
It's too overwhelming... I'm beginning to think, as a child of foreign born parents, that I should move out of America and escape this commercialized, fake, empty "culture"
@SevenFootPelican As far as I can tell, the tentacles are too intimately interwoven to be undone... You spread information to others, they reject it/don't adopt it.. you help the poor and they spread their abused, drug-addled mind to their friends and family to perpetuate another cycle. I would think you would need to pull the plug and start over, or get kids into a giant orphanage that was somehow ensured to be a healthy environment. Thoughts?
Stefan, what you're saying in this video really speaks to me. I sympathize with those who fall victim to the labeling of being mentally sick. Although I don't know anyone personally who has been prescribed mental illness medication, I really can understand what you're saying.
I just don't know what to do anymore. It's really disgusting how big pharma corporations take advantage of people through this sort of evaluation... The worst part? This is one of the smallest of America's problems...
It's obvious (to me) that our society in general is very sick. People who do not want to adapt to it are mentally healthy, because they see how society is trying to corrupt them into becoming something they are not...
The late 20th and 21st century have brought about a new form of abuse to devastate, weaken, and dumb down children - and it comes in the form of legalized psychological drugs that destroy and prevent the development of the brain.
When mental illness is defined as being against the norm - and the majority of the "norm" believe in an invisible man - than I rather my child be labeled "mental ill" than "normal."
I LOVE YOU! Even though we didn't have much money, I was dedicated to being a stay at home mom and homeschool my children. I could NEVER leave my children in a day care and with anyone aside from my own mom. Now, 20 years later, I am so glad I had the wisdom to do this. They are beautiful adults now. You are a great teacher, thank you!
Hey Stefan, great video. I would very much like to know your opinion on ADHD/ADD. I'm myself an adult who has been diagnosed with this. I do consider this a real mental illness myself (its caused by a lack of neurotransmitters in part of the brain) and am not against using drugs. But the heavy reliance on drugs to treat children with ADHD worries me. As an adult I take these drugs voluntarily, but I am not sure on how moral it is to give them to kids just to make them conform. Thoughts?
Also assuming you take the common libertarian stance on copyright. I'm guessing you don't mind me copying your video to my own channel and providing it with dutch captions? I would maybe like to show your video to some people I know, but your vocabulary is too complex for most of them to understand :P.
In my observations I see that most of the Psych. Drs are just diagnosing mot of these stress related reactions/adaptations as illnesses to justify their own jobs & status as lifesaving, knowledgeable health professionals. Yes Stefan, it's modern society whose mind is unwell, even sick. To be entirely accurate, modern society is very sick & even perverted (twisted). Things just aren't the way they're meant to be. We're truly being tested now & I'm looking forward to when the tables turn...
man, I had to come back and watch this video again. You've got me almost crying at what were doing to our young ones. I have no proof but why things are seems like something Rockefeller and his ilk would real proud of and responsible for.
Our society is increasingly becoming collectivist,the goal of collectivist is to destroy the individual by any means nessisary & Charlotte Iserbyte breaks it down in her video's along with books. And your'e right it is a Soviet style system!
Despite some of my comments, I generally think highly of Stefan's videos and I was much happier with his second video on this topic. I freak out a little when I witness blind cult style worshipping and I have come to accept that different people at different times in their lives fall into a pattern of being followers (sheeple) rather than thinkers in their own right or perhaps they have a tendency to idealize people. It is probably normal to some extent.
@cveitch And some of those 22 thought a little deeper than Stefan and you and realised that he makes valid points about pharmCorp (fined for fraud routinely), but he has little knowledge of neurology, biochemistry, evolutionary biology and he really likes looking at things in a simplistic absolutist way -- like you. There are many things that can go wrong with the physical brain that may only be detectable in terms of odd behaviours. The first signs of Alzheimers are often mood swings.
Furthermore, damage to different parts of the brain resulting from trauma, strokes, inflammation, genetic characteristics, etc, often result in behavioural and cognitive abnormalities called "mental illness". Example
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10420428
In the above case types the damage is physically detectable. Sometime it is not with our current technology or understanding and we only see the psychological and cognitive problems.
This needs more views; if only people would at least try to be open minded and come up with their own justified and thought-through morales through researching by reading, debating or watching things like this.
I have just been diagnosed with depression.. I swear I am depressed because of the environment I am in, if society worked together as one then I could see myself being happy!
The real issue is that no one ever tells you to see a therapist when you encounter stress or nervousness.
Could you imagine how much happier everyone would be if pain encountered from feeling self conscious or making decision was as openly talked about as pain in your arm or leg?
Our society of contradiction is the root of many illnesses. Stefan Molyneux you have said what needs to be heard and for that I applaud you! To examine the irrational behavior of a society with a rational mind is to be seen as unsane.
I think your theory holds water. There's a whole branch of psychology devoted to cognitive dissonance, the discomfort people feel when holding two contradictory cognitions. It seems integral to our psyche to reduce this.
I was with you until you used the naturalistic argument, especially aplied on the idea of what right thinking is supposed to be. I can understand logic and science cannot think contradictions, but I don't see why you associate logical thinking with proper thinking, or why mind should have a purpose. Plus, you are effectively saying that attempting to think contradictions is a sign of mental illness - so we have to submit ourselves to a formal principle, or suffer the consequences.
I like the theory except for the part where he says nature is rational and humans are irrational. Maybe I heard or understood wrong, but I believe humans are a part of nature. So that brings up a whole other philosophy and question.
@Rockyzach88 that was around the 20 minute mark. I think his point is that humans must base their views on empirical, solid evidence of the world. But those aspects of human society that defy rationality, such as belief in the supernatural or trust in authoritarianism, etc. lead to conflicts between a logical appreciation of universal principles and suppressing that logic to conform to social demands that place Beliefs/Rules/Memes over provable truths.
I don't normally watch reality shows but I did watch "Amish in the City". The Amish "kids" (why are 18 year olds described as "kids"?) were more hard-working, trustworthy and kind than the LA kids despite the irrationality of their religious belief. Perhaps the more active involvement of Amish parents in the lives of their children made the difference.
I know you get a bad rap because of a complete lack of understanding regarding the underlying premise but I have to say that you are so spot-on here that my heart lept from my chest and I literally started clapping out loud. Thank you for your voracious defense of those of us who've been marginalized by a morally rotting corpse of a society.
7.06 "have your brain seered with ect" I have quite a lot of patients who actually asks for ect, because it the only think that can hold back their depression. and yes we have tried therapy
They actually pushed me into an insane-asylum and told me I'm a psychotic schizophrenic who needs lots of drugging for the rest of my life. Managed to escape completely out of that hell within just 5 weeks and I'm doing just fine!
@stefbot Thank you for this video, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I have often thought about this exact topic when I was younger, as I was told that I had ADHD when I was in my early years. What they told me made no sense. I thought sitting around for 6+ hours a day doing nothing but trying to listen to the droning teacher trying to educate me on the same thing I had learned the previous 3 years was just plain stupid. Mind you I went through this in the '80's.
@startxxx1991 who are "they" and what did you do that caused them to treat you like this? I'm just very curious (and sorry that happened to you or anyone of course!).
@startxxx1991 My story was the same, I managed after one week to get transferred to the open facility, after another month I was let home to my parents again. That was trial by fire! I managed to somehow avoid taking their drugs, because I "knew" all along that they would send me sliding down the wrong path (Jacob's Ladder-style, if you've ever seen that movie)
I'm glad I've seen someone else who shares my opionion about these things, I don't think any one makes a society in order to give people irrational opinions about others, more over it is the fact people tend to believe that our society has evolved to a point of being better than all previous societies that is the arrogant mistake.
@stefbot ... I would also say that the "doping" doesn't stop at, nor is it limited to, the explicit administration of chemicals. Have you run across a concept known as "the stress economy" ? I believe Alan Carter ("The Programmers' Stone") may have pioneered the idea, and I've found it to be quite relevant to my own experiences. The premise is that there is alot of dysfunction built into socialized behavior that manipulates us at a neurochemical level - its a fascinating idea.
This makes so much sense. It was DRILLED into me at a very early age that there was something wrong with me and not the environment. I was told I was either crazy or had a bad atitude....and I continue to engage with people who tell me i'm either crazy or have a bad attitude.
Thanks, Stef. This and part one are vids I'm sharing with friends who are parents. They make a strong case; strong enough I suspect that any parent who loves their child will at least start to question the current paradigm if not discard it once and for all. Great work.
@ace8fullofgrace It's against everything that he believes to get a "dr" before his name in order to teach people. "Dr" is a fictional label given to you by the fictional state. The teaching is what's important, not your credentials.
This is so true. Know what is really terrible is that the most ass backwards people are the ones having the most kids. It sickens me to the core, my whole family is mormon and I am stuck watching my neices and nephews get brainwashed into ridiculous abusive nonsense that will either turn them into dead minded sheeple if they conform, or mentally scar them for life if they break free.
There is no such thing as "mental health." There are only varying levels of pathology. Go look through the DSM-IV. To the people who use this "bible" see everyone being "mentally ill" in some fashion or another.
It's funny how something can resonate so strongly...I had to stop after 33 seconds and laugh out loud, because YOU NAILED IT WITH YOUR OPENING STATEMENT!! Sorry for the caps. I shalle let you continue...
The assumption of normalcy works its dark magic in many other settings as well. Maybe you could - if you haven't done so in the past - do a little series on assumptions and presuppositions and how a sort of "false common sense" can emerge out of this snowball of bad thinking...
Thanks for touching on the point that children are as intelligent, if not MORE intelligent, than adults are. We learn from them as much as they learn from us.
@themoose234 I wouldn't say children are more intelligent. It's more exact to say children have more potential than adults. Of course that potential can be wasted by bad parenting or a negative environment, but even more so, the further we are into adulthood the more that potential is gone. Children naturally learn faster than adults. It's how their brain works.
I expect, since you have decided to remain at home with your daughter that home schooling is a probablity, and in your case I say yes. But part of the problem we face as a society is that most parents do not think as you do on this matter and are not raising raising healthy kids.In some cases , state ed becomes a way out for abused kids. What is the libertarian response to this? Friedmanites would say let the merket rule, but this & trickle down economics have been a disaster on the 99%.
@daemonnice Slavery no doubt was better for some of those slaves, because maybe they wouldn't be able to survive on their own...does that mean slavery should still exist?
Well done Stefan. Western society has been on a dysfunctional path since the industrial age began and society moved from the farm and the village where an extended family raised children into the impersonal and often isolating cities, where strangers are raising the children for the state that is being manipulated by the intra-national corporate industrialist. People were made dependent on the state to raise their kids and now the state wants to take it away in the name of economic austerity.
@coopmuch56 Public school even without the indoctrination part(wich is how its where I come from) its still crap because kids are forced to learn alot of things that they dont want and dont need to learn.
I dont get what is so wrong about public school. I always hear people " its socialist government indoctrination" but I have went to public schools. What are they trying to indoctrinate canadian children for... Seemed like you just learn. Seems like home school is where the indoctrination is, all those evangelical christians home school there kids to be bible thumping morons
@coopmuch56 I'd say standing up and worshipping your state every morning before class and having a whole class that is dedicated to teaching you about the glorious history of your state are two pretty simple examples of the indoctrination that literally every public school kid must go through.
@munkyusm You must live in the US. We did sing O Canada maybe once a week in like elementary, but thats about it. But the other part is waaaaayy off, I was always taught how although Canada has some good aspects there is a lot of things it has done bad. I was taught about the native american killings and theft of land, residential school we threw them in, the japanese canadian internment camps during WW2. So thats the whole indoctrination thing everyone bitches about? A national anthem?
@coopmuch56 In school a child's thoughts, feelings and actions are micromanaged by authorities for over a decade. Any child who has bad reactions to this treatment is either told that they a bad attitude, and is patronized mercilessly, or is diagnosed with a "mental illness" and drugged into oblivion. Their emotional and intellectual dependence on authority is engineered through the bribing and threatening of them with punishments and rewards in place of actually treating them like human beings
"The individual is pathologized so society can remain 'healthy' ." We live in a mad house, and the inmates are fully in charge, and they are homicidally dangerous. Stef, unlike courtier sycophants of the state like George Stephanopoulos, you are a true reporter worth his salt. Keep shakin'! The children must lead, not in the deranged sense of the hideous children's crusades of the middle ages, but in the sense that their wellbeing must come before anything.
I consider that thought does not come from the Brain but is rather a 'spiritual ' phenomena. I also consider the mind is quite capable of holding two contrdictory perspectives simultainiously...... However.... This is an excellant Video... thank you.
**Excellant Video ** I run my own international Wizard School, sending parcels of projects to home educated children. Your perspectives are utterly correct..... Thank you.
Stef, I think your ideas center on the major causes of *some* mental illnesses. The world of the broken brain is unfortunately vast and cannot be beheld under one tent.
Good video! I'm not religious person but, is teaching and life of Jesus Christ perfect example of mental health Stef? i started to read everything including new testament, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and others and it looks like Jesus is mental health in person. i'm not extoling Jesus, i'm talking about his views which in my opinion are perfect mental health. Maybe he was just guy with really good parenting. Or he was god whatever. The point is what was said and lived by this guy. what do you think?
Yeah. Jesus was a great and loving guy... Except when he was chasing pigs off a cliff, killing fig trees, stealing donkeys, and stuff like that. I guess even gods have their faults.
I assume you mean "context." What am I taking out of context? It's a summary, and not a very serious one. However, it does point out the fact that, even if his main goal was noble, which depends on who you ask, Jesus was not flawless, even in the story written about him.
@simonty1811 So, you're saying someone has to be approved by the state and taught the state's version of psychiatry in order to have any opinion on it?
@munkyusm nope, I'm saying that one should dedicate part of their life to a discipline of study and be involved in mental illness on a daily basis before giving a naive and uninformed opinion on the subject. But nice way to try and twist my words around to fit your own world view.
@simonty1811 I'm just going off of what you said - "qualified clinical psychologist and/or psychiatrist". Who qualifies them? I can only assume you meant the state...
Let's all have a festival in the berlin stadium (you know the one they don't use anymore);
We could call it - stefan's aerobics for the lacking and demotivated. ie. mentally ill or children in day care.
It's well known that coordinating eurythmics in the sunshine en masse. Along with rational totems of perfection - are effectively a cure for all those unpleasant things certain people don't want to understand.
Stefan - oh dear. it looks like Hitler et al - trumped you to that paradigm.
@telemetry9 Where did you get the notion that he doesn't like mentally ill people? He's basically offering a theory as to why there are so many mentally ill people and a true solution as oppose to drugging them all...which seems way more Hitler-esque than his proposal.
All I see is arrogance/assumption/rhetoric and a kind of bludgeoning to death of actual real life experiences of individuals.
"belief" is a cosy and indulgent point of view of the elite. People living their real lives are very different from your assumptions and elitism, Stefan.
To me - you represent the indulgent 1% who can afford to be extravagant and flamboyant with your world view - to the point of absurdity.
"never compare yourself to others - they weren't as privileged as you."
I don't agree with everything you say, but having grown up drugged and guilt ridden for "acting out" at school and church and in life in general; I thank you for bringing up some wonderful points and shedding some light on this dark truth.
OccupyUtube 6 days ago
Wow. This is very eye-opening. Great video.
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rekoms100 1 week ago
Very interesting.
SuperHealthyHealth 2 weeks ago
I agree with most everything you said. However, I think you should have avoided politicizing a few things. You would have a few great things to say, then sneak some right-wing talking points in here in there (quoting Michelle Rhee, bashing unions, calling social security a ponzi scheme, etc).
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Depression is a very common diagnosis, hell I've been diagnosed with it. However, I developed depression because of my social surroundings. People need to realize that it's not the person that's ill, it's the people that's surrounding them that's ill.
xReirax 1 month ago
the reality is most people with mental illnesses are neglected and put at the bottom of the list. People talk about help being availible but at the end of the day you are on your own in the real world. THe most they ever experience is being labled. THere is no help in the big wide world. THey say their is but reality is quite different. If you think anybody cares im afraid you are in for a shock
210482fmj 1 month ago
As someone who has been diagnosed with mental illness, it actually makes sense. Nobody is "normal". Nobody should be categorized, because of what society perceives itself to be. If everyone had panic attacks, which everyone does at least once, we would all be deemed ill. Which in technicality, we are. Nobody is "normal".
xoDiAnAxodc 1 month ago
I was put on Zoloft the summer before my junior year of high school. That first quarter, I received straight A's for the first and only time in my life. Everyone in my life was finally proud of me but it didn't matter because I no longer had feelings. I was robot who did exactly what they were suppose to. By chance, an accident, I stopped talking my pills. A month later, I dropped out of school for good~ I lost one of my best friends to an anti-depressant overdoes a month ago. RIP Troy Dawson.
ImadePoopcakes 1 month ago
i respect what you have to say, and there must be some truth to what you say, but i respectfully disagree. you are giving the public one sided information. you are telling the public what to think and what is good and what is bad. telling the public that drugs are bad and the government is selling the public lies. you are doing exactly what you claim the government is doing. i didn't have enough to explain or back up what i'm saying is, it is up to the individual to decipher right from wrong
musicmanSinX 1 month ago
I wish the people who run my school would watch this...
ThomasCarle 1 month ago
Stefan, I'm curious, how much time have you spent working with or being around people with a serious and persistent mental illness? Having no real education or experience in economics, would that qualify me to comment on issues affecting the economy? Your viewpoint on a free-market society are interesting and quite valid, however your position on mental illness is sickeningly ignorant and careless. Stick to subjects you are qualified to comment on please.
deziistheone 1 month ago
@deziistheone When he says "mental illness", he is mostly referring to social diseases, which are mental illnesses. Being someone that thought he may have had one until he watched this video, I think he hit the nail right on the god damn head.
ThomasCarle 1 month ago
@ThomasCarle Stefan has, on more than one occasion, dismissed economic theories from academics because they have no experience in the private sector (whereas he does) and that point is valid. I am only holding him accountable to his own standards. Much like how he comments on parenting, yet has no children of his own. It's a common theme of Stefan's sermons. To say people are badly informed about a field he has no experience in is ridiculously hypocritical, don't you think?
deziistheone 1 month ago
@deziistheone you should check your facts. Your saying he doesn't have children..... just check your facts, because it becomes very apparent how ignorant you are.
ktooty 1 month ago
@ktooty My mistake ktooty. Thanks for pointing that out. That doesn't, however, validate his comments about mental illness. His experience as an IT professional is quite far from the experience necessary to be an authority on the complexities of mental health. What's more, his comments are careless, ignorant and potentially dangerous.
deziistheone 1 month ago
@deziistheone stefan has kids. and your comments is an ad hominem
marketanarchist2011 1 month ago in playlist Mental Health
@marketanarchist2011 Interesting you say that considering Stefan's penchant for psychologizing those that don't share his views.
deziistheone 3 weeks ago
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@deziistheone stefan has kids. and your comments is an ad hominem
marketanarchist2011 1 month ago in playlist Mental Health
Sir. All I Can Say Is WOW, Just Wow. I didn't understand quite all of it (no native english speaker), but what I understood was astonishing and forcing me to agree. Thank You For These Videos! Live on and Make this worlda better place!
Ttihm 1 month ago
All the research in the world cannot explain the spiritual side of dreams. THere have been people who have been plagued with bad dreams that are actually caused by other evil spirits. Psychiatry cannot explain this or does not beleive in it. Dreams are not just our minds but actually spiritual. FOr some people it can be very disturbing
210482fmj 2 months ago
One must learn to become a fool to be accepted. Tolerate, overlook the double standard until you just either give up and give in to anything. The other choice is to die fighting. Trying to fit in to sick society will make you sick....
grady1610 2 months ago
Your truth example really hits home for me as the first and most dramatic of my childhood development experience.
grady1610 2 months ago
"It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."j.krishnamurti
snakeboy471 2 months ago 14
mental distress exists conspiracy abuse and suffering,not in psychiatry! read an oath to hell
samhill1970 2 months ago
Amazingly true and accurate!
73quantum 2 months ago
U did justify yourself a lot tbf
Izaak247 2 months ago
Post this on Glasgow University Vegan societies facebook and it's causing quite a stir amongst the anarchists, they dig
IllichSketchShow 3 months ago
You have excelled even yourself.
IllichSketchShow 3 months ago
In general this is a very interesting approach to mental health, and I think it warrants thinking about. However, there is a great deal of generalisation and some misunderstanding of child psychology. The most striking thing was the almost-concealed blanket statement: "There is no biological component of mental illness" - I'd like to see your evidence in support of that.
PoledniceWP 3 months ago 3
@PoledniceWP There is no biological test for any "mental illness" the handbook is all about behavior. If a condition (set of behaviors) is shown to have a biological cause then it is just a illness with behavioral symptoms. Alzheimer's is a real disease that attacks cognition and behavior, but nobody calls it a mental illness.
WorBlux 2 months ago
@WorBlux yes there is. it is a common misconception.
people with schizophrenia show atrophy of the cortex (MRI/CT). and increased activity of broca's area (normally active during speech) on PECT scans during hallucinations, which explains auditory hallucin. (patients' own thoughts, perceived as external). they also fail to see the "hollow mask" illusion (long explanation).
i learned in medschool 20 yrs ago: we haven't found the biological cause yet, doesn't mean there isn't one. now we know.
castelgandalf 2 months ago
@castelgandalf Umm, no that doesn't really show a biological cause. We know that brain activity can be affected by thought alone. Meditation can and will change brain structure. In addition so will certain types of emotional trauma. But you really miss the point. If you to pinpoint a biological defect as responsible then it's just illness and not mental illness.
WorBlux 2 months ago
There may be dual cases where some biological anomaly will magnify some sort of induced behavior or thought process for which neither alone would account for such behavior.
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@WorBlux oh, yes it does. Brain=mind. have you even read the studies?
"no that doesn't really show a biological cause" really? why do we use PECT, MRI, CT scans at all then?
"not mental illness" so when we find a Q wave in an EKG it just shows illness and not cardiac illness?
"brain activity can be affected by thought alone" does an EKG show biological cause for seizures?
castelgandalf 2 months ago
INTERESTING. While his points about the the sickness of society are relevant it is ridiculous to take up a a wholly environmental view of mental health. Genetic and biological components are important and scientifically undeniable. The environmental and biological cannot be separated.
carlscustomamps 3 months ago 3
"Is it a true statement that the Aunt is fat? Yes, assuming it is true" lol :D n1 ;)
randalph 3 months ago
Stef: the anatomical analogy 'using muscles in opposition to eachother will produce injury' doesn't work to prove your point. In anatomy we call muscles 'agonists' and 'antagonists'. Movement necessitates both contraction and relaxation of agonists and antagonists at the same time. A sort of a contradiction or 'doublemove'.
landgabriel 3 months ago 2
How do we fix this broken society? More importantly, where do we begin? Too much is wrong with America - everything from over consumption, to corporate media censorship, to debt slavery imposed upon us by the central banks, to the corruption of our politicians, to the military industrial complex...
It's too overwhelming... I'm beginning to think, as a child of foreign born parents, that I should move out of America and escape this commercialized, fake, empty "culture"
SevenFootPelican 3 months ago
@SevenFootPelican As far as I can tell, the tentacles are too intimately interwoven to be undone... You spread information to others, they reject it/don't adopt it.. you help the poor and they spread their abused, drug-addled mind to their friends and family to perpetuate another cycle. I would think you would need to pull the plug and start over, or get kids into a giant orphanage that was somehow ensured to be a healthy environment. Thoughts?
gn0m1k 3 months ago
Stefan, what you're saying in this video really speaks to me. I sympathize with those who fall victim to the labeling of being mentally sick. Although I don't know anyone personally who has been prescribed mental illness medication, I really can understand what you're saying.
I just don't know what to do anymore. It's really disgusting how big pharma corporations take advantage of people through this sort of evaluation... The worst part? This is one of the smallest of America's problems...
SevenFootPelican 3 months ago
It's obvious (to me) that our society in general is very sick. People who do not want to adapt to it are mentally healthy, because they see how society is trying to corrupt them into becoming something they are not...
Danger12233 3 months ago
The late 20th and 21st century have brought about a new form of abuse to devastate, weaken, and dumb down children - and it comes in the form of legalized psychological drugs that destroy and prevent the development of the brain.
When mental illness is defined as being against the norm - and the majority of the "norm" believe in an invisible man - than I rather my child be labeled "mental ill" than "normal."
carlosthecapitalist 3 months ago
Stefan, you are a genius. I would hug you if I could =P
Antilli 3 months ago
I LOVE YOU! Even though we didn't have much money, I was dedicated to being a stay at home mom and homeschool my children. I could NEVER leave my children in a day care and with anyone aside from my own mom. Now, 20 years later, I am so glad I had the wisdom to do this. They are beautiful adults now. You are a great teacher, thank you!
ShantifulAngel 3 months ago in playlist Mental Health
By mental illness, I guess you're referring to neurosis and not to illnesses caused by organic problems.
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"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."
Richard Burton (a.k.a O'Brien) -1984
Brilliant Stefan.
All the best to you and your family, they sure are lucky for having a husband/parent like you, Sasha...
MrLobo1845 3 months ago
Hey Stefan, great video. I would very much like to know your opinion on ADHD/ADD. I'm myself an adult who has been diagnosed with this. I do consider this a real mental illness myself (its caused by a lack of neurotransmitters in part of the brain) and am not against using drugs. But the heavy reliance on drugs to treat children with ADHD worries me. As an adult I take these drugs voluntarily, but I am not sure on how moral it is to give them to kids just to make them conform. Thoughts?
eduardkhilify 3 months ago
@eduardkhilify
Also assuming you take the common libertarian stance on copyright. I'm guessing you don't mind me copying your video to my own channel and providing it with dutch captions? I would maybe like to show your video to some people I know, but your vocabulary is too complex for most of them to understand :P.
eduardkhilify 3 months ago
everything said is normal behaviour as youre growing up.
(this is why mental hospitals stopped being built after the 50's.
Because EVERYONE was being commited)
AllwaysNeverRandom 3 months ago
In my observations I see that most of the Psych. Drs are just diagnosing mot of these stress related reactions/adaptations as illnesses to justify their own jobs & status as lifesaving, knowledgeable health professionals. Yes Stefan, it's modern society whose mind is unwell, even sick. To be entirely accurate, modern society is very sick & even perverted (twisted). Things just aren't the way they're meant to be. We're truly being tested now & I'm looking forward to when the tables turn...
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"The goo-paste of propagandized nonsense" I love it!
peteski3 3 months ago
man, I had to come back and watch this video again. You've got me almost crying at what were doing to our young ones. I have no proof but why things are seems like something Rockefeller and his ilk would real proud of and responsible for.
Allen487 3 months ago
so whats the verdict on using marijuana?
shakemeshakeme 3 months ago
sounds like 1984 to me
Allen487 3 months ago in playlist Mental Health
Our society is increasingly becoming collectivist,the goal of collectivist is to destroy the individual by any means nessisary & Charlotte Iserbyte breaks it down in her video's along with books. And your'e right it is a Soviet style system!
crypter27 3 months ago in playlist More videos from stefbot
I could actually FEEL something happening in my head while watching this
shakemeshakeme 3 months ago 2
Despite some of my comments, I generally think highly of Stefan's videos and I was much happier with his second video on this topic. I freak out a little when I witness blind cult style worshipping and I have come to accept that different people at different times in their lives fall into a pattern of being followers (sheeple) rather than thinkers in their own right or perhaps they have a tendency to idealize people. It is probably normal to some extent.
CO2TROL 3 months ago
Just out of plain curiosity and nothing else: does your daughter go to school?
miskee11 3 months ago
YAY. It's not me, the world really is crazy.
jeffiek 3 months ago
My mother needs to see this.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
22 people missed the "Like" button
cveitch 3 months ago
@cveitch And some of those 22 thought a little deeper than Stefan and you and realised that he makes valid points about pharmCorp (fined for fraud routinely), but he has little knowledge of neurology, biochemistry, evolutionary biology and he really likes looking at things in a simplistic absolutist way -- like you. There are many things that can go wrong with the physical brain that may only be detectable in terms of odd behaviours. The first signs of Alzheimers are often mood swings.
CO2TROL 3 months ago
@CO2TROL
Furthermore, damage to different parts of the brain resulting from trauma, strokes, inflammation, genetic characteristics, etc, often result in behavioural and cognitive abnormalities called "mental illness". Example
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10420428
In the above case types the damage is physically detectable. Sometime it is not with our current technology or understanding and we only see the psychological and cognitive problems.
CO2TROL 3 months ago
This needs more views; if only people would at least try to be open minded and come up with their own justified and thought-through morales through researching by reading, debating or watching things like this.
qfbass 3 months ago
I have just been diagnosed with depression.. I swear I am depressed because of the environment I am in, if society worked together as one then I could see myself being happy!
MrStylus88 3 months ago 18
In a mad world only the mad are sane. Really enjoyed the video.
americaninkorea 3 months ago
yeeeee brilliant video stef!
bestonlineguide 3 months ago
The real issue is that no one ever tells you to see a therapist when you encounter stress or nervousness.
Could you imagine how much happier everyone would be if pain encountered from feeling self conscious or making decision was as openly talked about as pain in your arm or leg?
baker7205 3 months ago
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baker7205 3 months ago
Artie Lang said that insanity is a perfectly normal response in an insane society. Steph is the second person I have heard elude to that.
thebest3526 3 months ago
Agree to everything except that SS is a ponzi scheme. That part is Laughable.
NoogLeader 3 months ago
Our society of contradiction is the root of many illnesses. Stefan Molyneux you have said what needs to be heard and for that I applaud you! To examine the irrational behavior of a society with a rational mind is to be seen as unsane.
Kalepherion 3 months ago
By this definition i'm mental ill.
VanXIInX 3 months ago
I think your theory holds water. There's a whole branch of psychology devoted to cognitive dissonance, the discomfort people feel when holding two contradictory cognitions. It seems integral to our psyche to reduce this.
jaykgrey 3 months ago
Oh the Twilight Zone analogy, is a sane person sane in an insane world question.
darkwhitedirewolf 3 months ago
i fuckin love you man...
erbeeflower 3 months ago
That was awesome. Where were you when I was 14?
godshiva 3 months ago
I've felt this way for years, and of course if I voice that opinion...I'm crazy and need pills...
TheEidolon7 3 months ago
I was with you until you used the naturalistic argument, especially aplied on the idea of what right thinking is supposed to be. I can understand logic and science cannot think contradictions, but I don't see why you associate logical thinking with proper thinking, or why mind should have a purpose. Plus, you are effectively saying that attempting to think contradictions is a sign of mental illness - so we have to submit ourselves to a formal principle, or suffer the consequences.
87Julius 3 months ago
Wow you almost had standing on my chair yelling AMEN brother
MrVisions 3 months ago 16
@MrVisions almost? I'll try harder next time! :)
stefbot 3 months ago 27
@stefbot Are you active on the Mises forums?
Joe11Blue 3 months ago
An interesting theory, very hard to prove (but then so is any other theory of the mind).
shaurz 3 months ago
awesome!
tchepi 3 months ago
Holy sh1t
talk57 3 months ago
I like the theory except for the part where he says nature is rational and humans are irrational. Maybe I heard or understood wrong, but I believe humans are a part of nature. So that brings up a whole other philosophy and question.
Rockyzach88 3 months ago
@Rockyzach88 that was around the 20 minute mark. I think his point is that humans must base their views on empirical, solid evidence of the world. But those aspects of human society that defy rationality, such as belief in the supernatural or trust in authoritarianism, etc. lead to conflicts between a logical appreciation of universal principles and suppressing that logic to conform to social demands that place Beliefs/Rules/Memes over provable truths.
leafwatch 3 months ago
Stefan,
I don't normally watch reality shows but I did watch "Amish in the City". The Amish "kids" (why are 18 year olds described as "kids"?) were more hard-working, trustworthy and kind than the LA kids despite the irrationality of their religious belief. Perhaps the more active involvement of Amish parents in the lives of their children made the difference.
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Rockyzach88 3 months ago
what should i do when my son calls his mother fat? which she is?
waksibra 3 months ago
@waksibra I think it's more about what you shouldn't do. Namely, punish your son for telling the truth.
N7a7v7i 3 months ago
I know you get a bad rap because of a complete lack of understanding regarding the underlying premise but I have to say that you are so spot-on here that my heart lept from my chest and I literally started clapping out loud. Thank you for your voracious defense of those of us who've been marginalized by a morally rotting corpse of a society.
butcherGEIN 3 months ago 2
7.06 "have your brain seered with ect" I have quite a lot of patients who actually asks for ect, because it the only think that can hold back their depression. and yes we have tried therapy
magistermaximus 3 months ago
@OlafWilhelm no, not yet, I will see what the demand is like, and thank you!
stefbot 3 months ago
They actually pushed me into an insane-asylum and told me I'm a psychotic schizophrenic who needs lots of drugging for the rest of my life. Managed to escape completely out of that hell within just 5 weeks and I'm doing just fine!
startxxx1991 3 months ago 19
@startxxx1991 wow close call!
stefbot 3 months ago 12
@stefbot Thank you for this video, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I have often thought about this exact topic when I was younger, as I was told that I had ADHD when I was in my early years. What they told me made no sense. I thought sitting around for 6+ hours a day doing nothing but trying to listen to the droning teacher trying to educate me on the same thing I had learned the previous 3 years was just plain stupid. Mind you I went through this in the '80's.
Joe11Blue 3 months ago
@startxxx1991 who are "they" and what did you do that caused them to treat you like this? I'm just very curious (and sorry that happened to you or anyone of course!).
Sivels 3 months ago
@startxxx1991 My story was the same, I managed after one week to get transferred to the open facility, after another month I was let home to my parents again. That was trial by fire! I managed to somehow avoid taking their drugs, because I "knew" all along that they would send me sliding down the wrong path (Jacob's Ladder-style, if you've ever seen that movie)
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hhw2153221 3 months ago
I'm glad I've seen someone else who shares my opionion about these things, I don't think any one makes a society in order to give people irrational opinions about others, more over it is the fact people tend to believe that our society has evolved to a point of being better than all previous societies that is the arrogant mistake.
MatthewMitch23051992 3 months ago
Oh gash, he´s good! He´s smart! He gets it! He makes me think. Interesting!
Tellmeafairytale 3 months ago 2
@stefbot ... I would also say that the "doping" doesn't stop at, nor is it limited to, the explicit administration of chemicals. Have you run across a concept known as "the stress economy" ? I believe Alan Carter ("The Programmers' Stone") may have pioneered the idea, and I've found it to be quite relevant to my own experiences. The premise is that there is alot of dysfunction built into socialized behavior that manipulates us at a neurochemical level - its a fascinating idea.
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Xtrainious 3 months ago
This makes so much sense. It was DRILLED into me at a very early age that there was something wrong with me and not the environment. I was told I was either crazy or had a bad atitude....and I continue to engage with people who tell me i'm either crazy or have a bad attitude.
NickBravoReturns 3 months ago
One of Stefan's most accurate analyses in my opinion.
remorseofconscience 3 months ago
Thanks! Powerful arguments Stef. Could you give me your definition of society? Or your meaning for "society" in this video?
RamandoDMag 3 months ago
Thanks, Stef. This and part one are vids I'm sharing with friends who are parents. They make a strong case; strong enough I suspect that any parent who loves their child will at least start to question the current paradigm if not discard it once and for all. Great work.
LeroyHeeneyWine 3 months ago
00:13 - 00:27 Perfect. Just perfect.
bweazel 3 months ago
can u please get a Dr. in front of your name so you can teach people, b/c you're so much more insightful than any professor I've had.
ace8fullofgrace 3 months ago
@ace8fullofgrace It's against everything that he believes to get a "dr" before his name in order to teach people. "Dr" is a fictional label given to you by the fictional state. The teaching is what's important, not your credentials.
munkyusm 3 months ago
Well spoken. An issue that needs attention.
Hackerette 3 months ago
That carat (noose) around your neck is much TOO tight and causing some mightily challenged 'mental health'.
lonewolfmtnz 3 months ago
This is so true. Know what is really terrible is that the most ass backwards people are the ones having the most kids. It sickens me to the core, my whole family is mormon and I am stuck watching my neices and nephews get brainwashed into ridiculous abusive nonsense that will either turn them into dead minded sheeple if they conform, or mentally scar them for life if they break free.
undeadpresident 3 months ago 2
Thank you for speaking the truth.
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MultiAhka 3 months ago
'From the mouths of babes...'
anafael1 3 months ago
There is no such thing as "mental health." There are only varying levels of pathology. Go look through the DSM-IV. To the people who use this "bible" see everyone being "mentally ill" in some fashion or another.
mecheethz 3 months ago
It's funny how something can resonate so strongly...I had to stop after 33 seconds and laugh out loud, because YOU NAILED IT WITH YOUR OPENING STATEMENT!! Sorry for the caps. I shalle let you continue...
anafael1 3 months ago
The assumption of normalcy works its dark magic in many other settings as well. Maybe you could - if you haven't done so in the past - do a little series on assumptions and presuppositions and how a sort of "false common sense" can emerge out of this snowball of bad thinking...
advogadohistoriador 3 months ago
Thanks for touching on the point that children are as intelligent, if not MORE intelligent, than adults are. We learn from them as much as they learn from us.
themoose234 3 months ago 14
@themoose234 I wouldn't say children are more intelligent. It's more exact to say children have more potential than adults. Of course that potential can be wasted by bad parenting or a negative environment, but even more so, the further we are into adulthood the more that potential is gone. Children naturally learn faster than adults. It's how their brain works.
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I expect, since you have decided to remain at home with your daughter that home schooling is a probablity, and in your case I say yes. But part of the problem we face as a society is that most parents do not think as you do on this matter and are not raising raising healthy kids.In some cases , state ed becomes a way out for abused kids. What is the libertarian response to this? Friedmanites would say let the merket rule, but this & trickle down economics have been a disaster on the 99%.
daemonnice 3 months ago
@daemonnice Slavery no doubt was better for some of those slaves, because maybe they wouldn't be able to survive on their own...does that mean slavery should still exist?
munkyusm 3 months ago
@munkyusm we live in a world of economic slavery as it is. Should slavery exist? No. Whats your point?
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daemonnice 3 months ago
Love the contextual approach to mental health. Think you'd like ACT.
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Well done Stefan. Western society has been on a dysfunctional path since the industrial age began and society moved from the farm and the village where an extended family raised children into the impersonal and often isolating cities, where strangers are raising the children for the state that is being manipulated by the intra-national corporate industrialist. People were made dependent on the state to raise their kids and now the state wants to take it away in the name of economic austerity.
daemonnice 3 months ago 3
Are they actually still using electroshock "therapy"?
AnnRKey 3 months ago
@coopmuch56 Public school even without the indoctrination part(wich is how its where I come from) its still crap because kids are forced to learn alot of things that they dont want and dont need to learn.
rodrigodet 3 months ago
I dont get what is so wrong about public school. I always hear people " its socialist government indoctrination" but I have went to public schools. What are they trying to indoctrinate canadian children for... Seemed like you just learn. Seems like home school is where the indoctrination is, all those evangelical christians home school there kids to be bible thumping morons
coopmuch56 3 months ago
@coopmuch56 I'd say standing up and worshipping your state every morning before class and having a whole class that is dedicated to teaching you about the glorious history of your state are two pretty simple examples of the indoctrination that literally every public school kid must go through.
munkyusm 3 months ago
@munkyusm You must live in the US. We did sing O Canada maybe once a week in like elementary, but thats about it. But the other part is waaaaayy off, I was always taught how although Canada has some good aspects there is a lot of things it has done bad. I was taught about the native american killings and theft of land, residential school we threw them in, the japanese canadian internment camps during WW2. So thats the whole indoctrination thing everyone bitches about? A national anthem?
coopmuch56 3 months ago
@coopmuch56 In school a child's thoughts, feelings and actions are micromanaged by authorities for over a decade. Any child who has bad reactions to this treatment is either told that they a bad attitude, and is patronized mercilessly, or is diagnosed with a "mental illness" and drugged into oblivion. Their emotional and intellectual dependence on authority is engineered through the bribing and threatening of them with punishments and rewards in place of actually treating them like human beings
Fathoms2004 3 months ago
@Fathoms2004 ..well said, pretty much just described me exactly.
coopmuch56 3 months ago
"The individual is pathologized so society can remain 'healthy' ." We live in a mad house, and the inmates are fully in charge, and they are homicidally dangerous. Stef, unlike courtier sycophants of the state like George Stephanopoulos, you are a true reporter worth his salt. Keep shakin'! The children must lead, not in the deranged sense of the hideous children's crusades of the middle ages, but in the sense that their wellbeing must come before anything.
not2tees 3 months ago 12
What are you going to do with respect to your daughter's education?
qtutoringhelps 3 months ago
I consider that thought does not come from the Brain but is rather a 'spiritual ' phenomena. I also consider the mind is quite capable of holding two contrdictory perspectives simultainiously...... However.... This is an excellant Video... thank you.
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Tour de force.
robzrob 3 months ago
I don't care what someone does as long as they're not murdering innocents or raping toddlers.
Viktir666 3 months ago
**Excellant Video ** I run my own international Wizard School, sending parcels of projects to home educated children. Your perspectives are utterly correct..... Thank you.
InterdimensionalWiz 3 months ago 2
Video no. 777! Namaste, Stef :D
mkklmann 3 months ago
Stef, I think your ideas center on the major causes of *some* mental illnesses. The world of the broken brain is unfortunately vast and cannot be beheld under one tent.
MrStillmans 3 months ago
Good video! I'm not religious person but, is teaching and life of Jesus Christ perfect example of mental health Stef? i started to read everything including new testament, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and others and it looks like Jesus is mental health in person. i'm not extoling Jesus, i'm talking about his views which in my opinion are perfect mental health. Maybe he was just guy with really good parenting. Or he was god whatever. The point is what was said and lived by this guy. what do you think?
joletilolek 3 months ago
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Yeah. Jesus was a great and loving guy... Except when he was chasing pigs off a cliff, killing fig trees, stealing donkeys, and stuff like that. I guess even gods have their faults.
TheCeejReturns 3 months ago
@TheCeejReturns Don't take stuff out of contest, don't manipulate.
joletilolek 3 months ago
@joletilolek
I assume you mean "context." What am I taking out of context? It's a summary, and not a very serious one. However, it does point out the fact that, even if his main goal was noble, which depends on who you ask, Jesus was not flawless, even in the story written about him.
TheCeejReturns 3 months ago
This is awesome... Combine this with the followinf vid;
watch?v=QS4zwQa_Jao
Avatarclone 3 months ago
Good speech.
Let's not forget other evironmental factors...
Toxins, for instance.
Toxins in food, water, air, vaccines, amalgam fillings, etc....
safeinsuburbia 3 months ago
I want your last sentence on a t-shirt!
Bastii235 3 months ago
gotaa love the knowlage bombs being droped =)
megal0w 3 months ago
wow stefan, I didn't know you were a qualified clinical psychologist and/or psychiatrist.
simonty1811 3 months ago
@simonty1811 So, you're saying someone has to be approved by the state and taught the state's version of psychiatry in order to have any opinion on it?
munkyusm 3 months ago
@munkyusm nope, I'm saying that one should dedicate part of their life to a discipline of study and be involved in mental illness on a daily basis before giving a naive and uninformed opinion on the subject. But nice way to try and twist my words around to fit your own world view.
simonty1811 3 months ago
@simonty1811 I'm just going off of what you said - "qualified clinical psychologist and/or psychiatrist". Who qualifies them? I can only assume you meant the state...
munkyusm 3 months ago
Excellent analysis. 10 out of 10.
Pikers81 3 months ago
Let's all have a festival in the berlin stadium (you know the one they don't use anymore);
We could call it - stefan's aerobics for the lacking and demotivated. ie. mentally ill or children in day care.
It's well known that coordinating eurythmics in the sunshine en masse. Along with rational totems of perfection - are effectively a cure for all those unpleasant things certain people don't want to understand.
Stefan - oh dear. it looks like Hitler et al - trumped you to that paradigm.
telemetry9 3 months ago
@telemetry9 Where did you get the notion that he doesn't like mentally ill people? He's basically offering a theory as to why there are so many mentally ill people and a true solution as oppose to drugging them all...which seems way more Hitler-esque than his proposal.
munkyusm 3 months ago
Why laud it over vulnerable people?
Unless you've had direct or personal experience of living with someone with mental illness - you're clueless.
So Stefan - how many people with mental illness have you shared your life with? I know you like numbers - so how many?
How much practical experience of mental illness do you have? Or are thousands of suicides only carried about by those lacking vitamins and backbones?
It's ok - Hitler didn't like the mentally ill either. So you're in good company.
telemetry9 3 months ago
All I see is arrogance/assumption/rhetoric and a kind of bludgeoning to death of actual real life experiences of individuals.
"belief" is a cosy and indulgent point of view of the elite. People living their real lives are very different from your assumptions and elitism, Stefan.
To me - you represent the indulgent 1% who can afford to be extravagant and flamboyant with your world view - to the point of absurdity.
"never compare yourself to others - they weren't as privileged as you."
telemetry9 3 months ago