I God the same experience when i was 22 --i was so bad and into a lot of sexual immoralities as a single then--one night while asleep i saw myself i a very dark pit-and people in there started pulling me and i was terrified coz i knew it was the pit--I started calling the lord and thier hans jsut slip like greased--i then i saw a white dot then it grows into a very bright light like a sun the n i woke-up-then i knew the lord wants saves those who believes in him even the sinners like me.
My computer speakers are not working now, but I think I heard him saying that he was in a room that lead to a hallway when he was dead. So was there one room and one hallway in all of space?
@GoldenLightD I only saw parts of this video about the part when he talks about America's judgment and how in the next few hundred years we will be with God which I think it's during the reign of Jesus which is very near didn't he saw that people of today might be alive hudreds of years from now? Or was it another video? I will watch the whole thing now!
Whats interesting is that he says that Jesus is not the only way, that people looking for God, who dont know where else to look, but seek God, even though it may not be Jesus, also go to heaven
That is the thing, Jesus was God incarnate, Gods Spirit completely pure within an earthen vessel.
So those who seek God are seeking Jesus and visa versa, but those who reject Jesus are also rejecting God and visa versa, as Jesus perfectly represented God in all of hid qualities and essence as He is the Spirit of God incarnate.
This is an interesting perspective that I have not come across before. So do you believe that people in other religions can go to heaven because they are seeking 'God', while not realizing they are also seeking Jesus?
To those who don't believe in God or His Son, thats ok, but don't call us brainwashed because brainwashing is a process of forcing a set of beliefs on someone else. We who believe choose to follow the scriptures and by faith have accepted the teachings of Christ into our hearts and lives. If you choose to call us brainwashed, it is totally incorrect and twisted. I choose to believe because I have faith in what Jesus did on the cross for me personally.
I first heard of him during the playback of an old Art Bell radio interview that he did many years ago. It's an amazing interview and should be tracked down for anyone who hasn't heard it.
I believe it's still available on the "coast to coast am" website as an archive. It's several hours long where he goes into great detail his journey into the afterlife and what he learned from it.
I find it even if the bible is false like some athesit believe I still think it's the right thing to do no matter what. Ya know? I mean i believe it i'm just saying it's like still the right thing to presude in life ya know?
What these NDE's affirm is that there is an ultimate superconscious God of Spirit and light at the source of life. Also that there are consequences for everything we say and do in life and that God is Loving and Holy, but also has a very clear path and will, which is love, holiness, goodness. If we do not follow His path there are terrible consequences, in the same way there are harmful consequences to putting your hand in a fire, there are harmful results from following and evil way.
I beleive in God just not the God you believe in, It is a fairytale, And if God is truely lvong and caring and desires no one to go there he wil send no one there peroid, Sorry does god not do th Judgment so techniclaly he does, Now hristian I amnot interested in Christianity peroid
@virtuallad06 when you make up your own version of God you are making god in your own image. In reality God made us in his image and we should humble ourselves as seek the one ultimate and objective source of all life and consciousness. It stands to reason that the fountainhead and pinnacle of all life would be all wise, all just, all good and moral. It is just and fair that unrepentant harm is returned, and if a being rejects goodness and God they will receive their spiritual desire.
@virtuallad06 Yes God is the judge but he judges our heart, so it also depends on how we use our freewill and if we choose to follow the path of morality and goodness or the path of harm and deception. There are spiritual consequences to each path in this life and in the afterlife.
The pinnacle of all life and awareness is Holy and cannot dwell with pride, contempt, hate and so on, we must repent of these qualities or we alienate ourself from God and enter a dimension devoid of God and peace
so how can we walk in Holiness when we all sin i try my best to be holy but i just cant and i ask God to forgive me but the temptation and mindset are so tempting. i asked God for forgivness and repented my sins but for some reason i went back to doing the same thing and now i feel ashamed and i fear that God will not forgive me anymore because i have so much fear dat i can't stop the panic and depression anti-social behavior. I can't even focus witout the constant negative thoughts coming back
so now i feel guilt that i have fallen so deep that God will not let me into his kingdom. I did drugs,alcohol,sex,pornography,hate,greed,been jealous, and i've lost interest in many part of my life and can't seem to get back on track so i stop smoking hoping that i might return but the fear is so much that i can't seem to maintain i ask God every night to redeem me sometime i feel blessed for seconds but thats when my doubt start coming back and i can't seem to get rid of these thoughts
@KillaDEastAtlanta god will always forgive you. he promised. we all mess up. the bible says we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of god. that means, none of us can deserve heaven, but if we do our best and ask forgiveness he will let us go there
i feel like i can't maintain it's like every time i make a move i fall right back down in seconds and i need to make it to the gates of heaven and make my dad (GOD) proud but i just need to get rid of these thoughts but i can't seem to do it
can you help me please? Pray for me i really need it i feel like God turned his back on me and that there is no reason for living anymore because i feel like i've failed the test of life
If God is a loving caring God like he says he is, he will not send any one to the lake of Fire, And he wil understand why people are so pissedoff with Fundies (Not alll Christians, There are ones out there who are relaly nice)
Psalm 103:14 He knoweth our framework he rememberth that we are dust so he will understand, Why is own people are not liked Because you's are bullies, Emtional blackmail of course not all our like this
There is justice in life and the universe and so all abuse has to be recompensed. Those who live an ignorant life, scornful and abusive, and do not repent or change, they will have to suffer the consequences of their actions and deeds.
God is merciful and understanding, but He is also just and righteous - He cannot fellowship with prideful, unrepentant and hostile hearts and beings.
Without Gods Spirit and light there is only the outer darkness which is void of anything good or peaceful.
In essence people send themselves to hell, when they choose the path of hate, pride and abuse, instead of the path of Christ which is humility, forgiveness, gentleness and understanding.
It is not wise for followers of God to hate anyone, understanding God is the judge, nor is it wise for non believers to judge or hate believers.
It is right for followers of God to say what is true though, and that God is Holy and expects us to repent and follow his ways and that He has standards to follow.
Also, how does the trinity come in here when God is "One"?? How can God be in a trinity with his own creation when he is one?? Also, notice in one of Storm's video he was told that there are many other universe's out there and many other creations out there. Some like us and others not like us. Questi? If there are 1000's of oda beings out there besides us then where is there only a trinity of God and man. Where is there not like a 1000 (trinity) since there are 1000's of oda creations of God.
God is one, by has three main aspects or modes of expression. The Father is God in heaven, in his supreme infinite heavenly non physical abode. God the Son is Jesus Christ which was the Spirit of God incarnated into a human body vessel 2000 years ago to show us the way to God and salvation and out of the hell of pride and violence. The Holy Spirit is Gods Spirit in activity on earth, in believers and followers of the way. It is all God but three different expressions and types.
Ok, Goldenlight. You said that God is One and also spirit. How is God a spirit? When we die we are spirits... We have a spirit/soul inside of us. I don't believe that God is a spirit. I believe that God is much more bigger than that, beyond our comprehension. If God is a spirit, then that means that he is just like one of us. He isn't nothing like us humans. He is not a human and he is not a spirit as well. He is bigger than that. I don't think we can fully comprehend what he is..
God cannot be physical in essence or He would be limited to space time and matter and incapable of having created the universe. God exists prior to the creation of the universe, this non physical super conscious energy is Spirit. God is the supreme source and fountainhead of all Spirit, consciousness and life. When each soul was created God breathed and gave a portion of his eternal Spirit to form that new being. God is Spirit but entered into a human vessel in the form of Jesus 2000 y ago
God is not complex, God at his essence is pure simplicity, Holiness and all that is good.
The complexity and interconnected systems we observe in nature are an example of God's great genius, intelligence and order.
God is not physical, so notions of Him having to be some complex mechanism are false.
God is Spirit, which is beyond the physical and beyond human comprehension. Yet we have an aspect of Gods Spirit within us, our consciousness which is not physical.
The intelligent and ordered creation and universe is evidence of a much vaster super intelligence at the source and origin. Morality and conscience are also evidence that consciousness is not merely an animalistic evolutionary accident. You cannot touch or see consciousness or gravity or space but you believe these things exist on the basis of their effects and symptoms such as the effect thought has. In the same way the super intelligence of God is made evident in the ordered creation.
All diseases and viruses are defects in the design and order which come on a Spiritual, mental and emotional level and then express themselves on a molecular level, the physical is simply a symptom or reflection of the inner person and Spirit.
A mother who smokes and doesn't look after herself during pregnancy may cause damage to the babies outer body, likewise immoral conduct between the parents may cause disorders in that new being, but genetics is not the cause of most illnesses and defects
Hope I made my point I dont know if there is an after life or a god. I can only hope there isnt. I was a christian but I wanted only truth, not the fluff they preach on sundays. I read the bible, prayed, even spoke in tingues on several occasions. However, the bible was inconsistent and the pain of this life was so real I knew there was something else going on. If you believe in this god, I only hope you see the truth. If god is real, prepare for hell, because that's all there is. dont have kids
This life is a testing gound for the actual existance of the spiritual world. If it was supposed to be easy, everyone would go to heaven and there would be no point in this world. Don't try to be smarter than God.
so it was intended to be extremely difficult. Basically you are saying that we were set up to fail. That actually makes sense. Why don't you take a look at those scriptures I left in the comments on this video.
No, not set to fail. Only given individual choice. There are millions of planets with people who choose good over evil. The story of the Bible is how man has chosen evil. Be it sex, money, false idols, we have failed miserably. What to you expect a pat on the back from God when we are possibly his most deviant creation yet.
And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." (I Samuel 16:23)
And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand." (I Samuel 19:9
"For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, to meet Israel in battle in order that he might utterly destroy them, that they might receive no mercy, but that he might destroy them, just as the Lord had commanded Moses," (Joshua 11:20).
And it shall come about that as the Lord delighted over you to prosper you, and multiply you, so the Lord will delight over you to make you perish and destroy you. . ." (Deut. 28:63).
And the Lord said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go," (Exodus 4:21). But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as he is today," (Deut. 2:30).
"The One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:7).
"Who is there who speaks and it comes to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth?" (Lam. 3:37-38).
"So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires," (Rom. 9:18).
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28).
"The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil," (Prov. 16:4).
"And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12in order that while seeing, they may see and not perceive; and while hearing, they may hear and not understand lest they return and be forgiven,"
GoldenLightD I have watched all the videos and I want you to know you have been duped by god. I can prove it using scripture as well. God doesn't hide his true nature. Near death experiences are explained here: "And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false," (2 Thess. 2:11).
God would have it, but I also feel very sorry and afraid for those that do not believe...I hear sour grapes from many, but those that do not care about their afterlife...I can only hope and pray that they have such an experience to wake them up...
My great great aunt was a woman who was a God-fearing woman who was also terrified of dying. She prayed so much to God to keep her alive as long as possible. She got really sick and had an NDE and surprisingly enough when she was revived she said in tears of joy "If that's what its gonna be like then I'm very well ready to be with the Lord". It was very inspiring and encouraging :)
I remember his Unsolved Mysteries episode. Hell is personalized by what you attach yourself to in life. The inability to see your frustrations as mere illusions is what forms this purgatory.
read the Bible...it details Hell...it is not a place that you want to go to...infact...once you get there...there is NO way out! Ask Jesus to come into your life now and trust only in HIM!
You've got your head up your ass for one thing. You've been listening to your parents too much who in fact just don't want you to conceive a baby before you have a steady job, hence they play into your proclivity towards supernaturalism. The bible is kids stuff meant for people with a bronze age mentality... you know cave people who follow instincts rather than insight. They're still around as evidenced by your goofball rant.
Oh...such anger...sorry, but I have my head on straight and I know HE is real and you need to open your heart and mind to Jesus...besides...do you eat with that mouth?!?!?!
It is very clear that atheists have fragmented God into a cacophony of euphemisms. A very interesting common denominator among atheists is the obsession with the topic of belief and unbelief; this obsession demonstrates that they are not really taking atheism seriously, but that they find the topic of God more interesting than unbelief itself. That God echoes in the atheistic mind in this way, is not very unnatural considering how greatly they have fragmented God`s role in their life.
I try not to agure with them but instead present my side. and basicly tell them that God loves them and religion is man made. and that believing is seeing and that covers about 50% of their argument.
You have to remember that people,even as far back as our grandparents have ben brainwashed in public schools from kindergarden through collage. as I have.
You come off as very shallow. For me its not that I don't believe in a god. I think there has to be SOMETHING out there. But even if I did believe in a god...why would I choose yours? Don't think everything is just atheism vs. christianity.
I subscribe to Baha'ist interpretations of God, not Christian. I believe God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers, whose teachings guide and educate us and provide the basis for the advancement of human society. These Messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad. Their religions come from the same Source and are in essence successive chapters of one religion from God.
Too bad certain groups with their own biases tend to twist the original views of these holy messengers of God to their own selfish close minded agenda.
The Bible clearly states that there is only ONE way to heaven...through Jesus Christ...there are many many paths, but only ONE is the way to heaven...
When you "die" and oxygen is cut off to the brain it is common to "see a light" and feel strange. It is jsut the brains lack of oxygen that causes this. One man was put into a "dead" state for several weeks-they cooled his body and all funtions halted. He saw this light and went through a tunnel, but when his brain halted he went into a sleep without dreams, they woke him up and he said all of that went on, but then he did not exist anymore-mentally- . Death is death, no afterlife.
If atheists don't believe their own, then what can they believe?
There are also numerous doctors on the nde site that conclude that the scientific "illusion" analysis is a thoroughly dead thesis, particularly because the brain is dead - it cannot have vivid senses of love, despair, life review, and God, far removed from atheists who don't expect such experiences.
It is easy to see atheists clutching at straws looking for any alternative of existence without God.
As Howard Storm said in his book, "In the end, God wins..."
If this life is really a prelude to the main event, why is the notion of believing in a higher power above ones self such a difficult notion? It's not a matter of insufficient evidence. The ontological argument for "God" itself is existence. Instead, I believe it's a personal battle between man making himself God versus knowing God.
Then how do you explain patients who have been prounced dead during a operation (cardiac and brain dead) and yet they claim to have witnessed their procedure from a aireal height? And even have been able to relay conversations the doctors and nurses were having during the procedure. It contradicts your theory about the oxygen, because these ppl were brain dead.
Because there is no explanation. The world is too complicated and atheists are driven crazy by the fact that there are some things science can't explain.
The Bible will tell you the truth and HELL IS REAL! Don't take the chances of dying at any given moment and find out when it is too late...Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven...He died for you and yet the whole world...trust ONLY in Him!
when you have an open heart and want the truth...you call out to God...He will reveal Himself to you...only when you want the truth...once you die...it will be too late...
I've prayed to "God" my entire life, with a sincere, open heart and a desire to know him. I asked him daily for guidance and to impart his existence into my life so that I could know him as he wants me to know him.
I got nothing in response.
I sincerely care about the truth, and I'd hoped that this "God" would expose it to me, but either he won't/can't/ or isn't there. I've called upon him. I am here to tell you there's no one there.
For whatever reason, most people can't speak to him directly.I think you'll find more subtle clues but don't give up.If you believe in what the bible says, and if you believe the words of Jesus Christ then what do you have to worry about.If you believe Jesus when he says love God above everyone and love your neighbor, forgive, etc will your life nor be enriched? Sometimes we ask for things we are not ready for. Maybe its not time for some reason. Or maybe it requires more spiritual growth.
Relying on subtle clues just leaves the door wide open for misinterpretation. Something as important as where you'll spend eternity shouldn't be left to guesswork and chance. Agreed?
What it comes down to is there is no evidence to suggest there is a god of any kind out there. If you have proof of one I'd love to hear it. It's quite OK (and honest) to admit "I don't know" when it comes to life's big questions. It's quite NOT OK to plug in a magic answer like "a god did it" with no proof.
You don't realize that you are inserting the magic answer "a God didn't do it"? You(well not you, actual people working in the field of abiogenesis or evolution) have no coherent fully supported theory that shows from beginning to end, how life can spring up from certain elements. At the very least that we both operate on faith. Would you even understand a full scientific paper with statistical math or would you assume the scientist is right?
You don't realize that you are inserting the magic answer "a unicorn didn't fly over my house last night"? You (well not you, actual people working in the field of fantasy or fairy tales) have no coherent fully supported theory that shows from the middle ages to now, how horses can exist without flying, or having elongated spears jutting from their forehead.
(Do you see what I'm getting at?)
It's not up to the person who HONESTLY tells you they have no answer to explain everything. You.....
This is a short sighted false argument. There is no reason to presume about unicorns or false physical ideas of God because God has to be beyond the physical nor limited to the finite creation. God is made evident and required when we observe His intelligent and ordered creation.
Creation did not come from nothing by chance and accident, the creation is clear evidence of the higher ultimate authorship and authority of the one intelligent God and source of all life
There is no evidence for any unicorns flying over your house for for any delusional false ideas about god such as spaghetti or anything physical.
The proof and evidence of God is shown clearly in the intelligent design and order of creation the natural world and our consciousness - This is the handiwork of a great intelligent ordered mind - you have been brainwashed to ignore this basic rational logic and believe it just happened with no source by accident which is irrational
Let's cut to the chase if you want to discuss who's being irrational here.
You think that a big, wonderful universe such as ours BEGS the OBVIOUS conclusion that a super, powerful deity "did it." I ask you, is this deity LESS than its creation, EQUAL to its creation, or GREATER than its creation? Every theist I know would say that their god is GREATER than the creation. Where does that leave us? You don't even believe in your own argument, THAT'S where it leaves us.
Only what is finite requires creation. The physical universe with all of its laws, instructions and information requires an inception point and it does not have the intelligence or power to create itself.
The reason you cannot explain it with previous universes is for that reason, you keep needing to postulate a previous one.
At some point the finite universe demands creation and inception of all its intelligent qualities.
Only a none physical eternal consciousness can be responsible.
How do you know the universe is finite? For all we know it could be infinite. It's not hard to imagine. If you can conceive of a deity being everlasting then it's not much of a jump to imagine this universe everlasting (changing constantly all the time). If you're going to say "god is eternal" then why not save a step and say "the universe is eternal"? At least we know the universe exists!
"Only a non-physical eternal consciousness can be responsible"? You know this HOW exactly?!?!
there is a starting point for everything that is physical - even the secularist science community agrees that the universe is expanding and cooling down in itself elements which shows it had an initial starting point, you are just trying to push back the starting point to ignore the need for a starter.
The physical universe is incapable of creating itself or imbuing all of the intelligent order, systems and laws, saying "its always been there" is just an ignorant cop out
I already explained it -The universe is full of intelligent systems and order, purpose drive mechanisms - these speak of and require a much greater intelligence to have created and imbued them even in potentiality in existence.
To just ignore the question of origin is willful ignorance, matter and the elements in and of themselves have no intelligence or capacity to imbue themselves with the non physical order and intelligence we observe
Spirit/ consciousness is eternal as it is not physical
I'm not ignoring the question of origin, and therefore not willfully ignorant, thank you. I'm willing to say "I don't know" whereas someone who thinks a god did it is likely to say "case closed, that's it, I can't prove it and I don't have to prove it."
What is a spirit, what is consciousness, and how on earth can you claim to know they're eternal?
You keep making the argument that complexity needs a creator, yet when we get back to "the incredibly complex creator" your argument fails.
I like that you watch these tapes to save us all from a life with god. I don't like religions either but that does not affect my belief in God. So you want to save us from a life of hope and love so that we believe in a hopeless existence as an accident?You want us to go from believing that there is more after death to believing that once we die its over? when you have no proof for your position? You want us to be scared of death and alone like you? keep your "saving" to yourself.
Hope? trillions of people burning in hell is hope? Your kids. Do you think every one of them will make the right choice? What about heir kids or their kids kids or their kids kids kids? Will every person from every generation make the right choice? Don't have kids.
When a person reaches the age of accountability, where they have the ability to choose or reject God then this is when the risk of eternal isolation from the one source of all life occurs.
When a person is able to reason about existential existence the onus then is on him to accept and seek or reject and scoff at God.
The ultimate higher intelligence is shown clearly in the intelligent and ordered creation we see and are - no one has an excuse for atheism
Jesus showed Children as the example of who would enter the spiritual kingdom of God several times.
This is because children are innocent, without agendas and are not embroiled in bitterness, long held grievances or lustful obsessions.
To be born again comes when you admit your sins and wrongdoing in life and then repent and turn back to God and Christ and follow their guidance and ways of goodness, truth, forgiveness, mercy, peace purity and righteousness.
I was saying that children will grow up and thus be accountable. That is why I say don't have kids. If you must have kids anyway, then just kill them before they get "smart enough" to make their choice of eternal peace or torment. Tell me why you are not killing every child you see. Tell me why you are not going into nurseries and spraying the babies down with bullets. And please do not say that you are against abortion. According to you, abortion is a great act of mercy. Do you understand?!
If you are wise and guard children from secular media and education brainwashing, if you let them develop with love and righteousness then they will not lose their faith in God, angels and heaven.
The education system starts on a premise of ruling our the supernatural realm and God - and focuses only on the tangible and physical, this leads many children into atheism and hell. Couple that with the continual secular media promoting sex, violence and materialism and you have the true....
All it takes is a little rational thinking to see the truth about your beliefs. You are christian because that is what you were taught. If we were in india you would be hindu. If we were in the middle east you'd be muslim, etc. You do not choose your beliefs out of logic, your beliefs are passed sown to you. Are you telling me that if you grew up in india, you would somehow come to christ and reject hinduism? You wouldn't. You would have a dot on your head like the rest.
So you are telling me would have a dot on your head and be a hindu if you had brought up in India?
please do not parrot dawkins ill thought out nonsense
My parents were both agnostics through my childhood and I had no religious pressure. I studied many if not most spiritual paths over the last ten years including Buddhism hinduism, theosophy and used to be newage universalist - but now I realize all other paths as leading away from the One true God and source of all life - Christ is the way
I probably would have started out hindu. Well now you have sparked my curiosity. How did you come to conclude that this religion is right? Especially considering there is no evidence of god whatsoever. I found buddhism to make the most sense, though ultimately I reject that too.
You see dawkins argument falls to pieced in practice. IN fact he and you are evidence that his argument is false, as everyone has the freewill to accept or reject a path or understanding and both have.
You do a great disservice also to the millions who have a sound and strong faith through personal experience, revelation and understanding who happen to have been blessed to have been born into a faith filled family.
Every part of the created universe and world speaks of incredible intelligence and order, structure, systems, mechanisms of purpose and drive, patterns, information, beauty.
This is what materialistic science does it brainwashes common sense out of people and fixates them only on elements.
Do you really thing a hummingbird, a rose, a sunset, a deer, a human being is an accident with no higher ultimate intelligent design or source???????
But how is it evidence of a specific god? Why is it not Zeus? Science only fixates on what we can observe and verify. Where do your conclusions about the nature of god come from? Surely not from nature. What about viruses, ticks, mosquitoes, bot flies, and bacteria? These came from the same intelligent source? I sent you a personal message so we can talk heart to heart :)
zeus and other greek and egyptian and tibetan "gods" are part of a pantheon of semi physical type deities.
God cannot be physical or else he would be in some way limited to the created universe. The origin of the universe, space and time has to be out-with that restriction. God, the ultimate author and source of all has to be non physical and Spirit and the Bible makes this clear throughout.
The pinnacle of all wisdom and life would be objectively Holy, righteous, loving, good, wise loving
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. (Gen. 3:8)
Seriously, Have you read the bible? God was walking around. God gets angry. You have a supposedly all powerful being that gets upset. Anger comes from lack of control. If god can get angry, then god is not all powerful. I see a god made in the image of man.
Your questions are good and honest and you do not get too offended or hostile which means there is still hope.
How would a loving God view or respond to a baby being raped for 14 days by a gang of men?
with great righteous anger and wrath. Not an anger born out of petty self centered malice. But an anger born out of righteousness and the desire for right to be done and innocent abuse to be ended.
This is the reason for all of Gods destruction in the OT - God defending the innocent from evil
God is One and also Spirit - If you believe in One God of Spirit then you are believing in the true God and that ultimate source of all life would also be all wise, all loving, all righteous, all good, all understanding, all Holy - all that is good and right in it's most pure and finest form
The objective source and origin for all that we understand and know to be right and good.
Diseases and disorders in my view all stem from the disorder and immorality of living. One small example, hate, anger, excessive lust all lead to great stress on the system, high blood pressure and other physical ailments such as ulcers and even cancer.
If we are around long enough on earth science may find that most diseases are self inflicted due to lifestyle, conduct and the way we think and respond to things.
The theory for ticks and so on is they used to feed on plants but now blood
You make many false assumptions and the cultural generalizing is not true. Many muslims and hindus and buddhists are having direct revelation and experiences with Christ and simply realizing that the One true God of life is Spirit and is real - there are channels on youtube devoted to Muslims for Christ and Jews who have all gone against family and cultural bonds in the name of their new faith and understanding.
We are not all brainwashed by those in authority in the world (Edu system & media)
And I have seen christians go buddhist, muslim, and atheist. The problem I see with god-based religions is not that they believe in gods. My problem is with the attributes they give god. How do you know what god's will is or if it even has one. I would say that if you must believe in a god, then you can only use observable creation to understand god. As I see it, I have no reason to believe that any god is involved in our affairs in a negative or positive way. How did you come to christ?
You have observed the reality which contradicts the dawkins dogma that everyone is a believer simply because they were born into that culture and tradition.
Parental influence and society only goes so far, and many actually rebel against pushy parents - current famous example katy perry. The Spirit of rebellions is high in most adolescents and so they usually reject what their parents say unless they have a God given humility and have not been programmed into rebellion through music and media
I went to the teachings of the dalai lama twice, I have studied both theravadan and mahayana buddhism, I was serious about it. I never labelled myself of any particular religion as I saw them all as leading to the same ultimate goal and source. heaven/nirvana/enlightenment/God.
However I have realized there is only one true source of all life, consciousness and Spirit and that is the One God of Spirit. That objective mastermind is Holy and righteous and the Bible reflects this as does Christ
by the way dawkins is a living contradiction of that dogma he espouses. That you only follow a certain way because of parental influence, as he was brought up in a christian tradition and yet rejected it. Many are brought up with non religious parents and then awaken and seek God.
Some are taught from birth about God and continue in this traditions
Some are brainwashed by atheistic parents from birth and continue in that tradition.
I agree, but for the most part, it is upbringing. I do not like dawkins message either. He thinks religion is so horrible but it is not. It gives people hope, and a reason to live. I wouldn't want to see a world without that. dawkins points out the atrocities of religion, but religion is not to blame; people are. People will kill each other with or without religion. We are programmed to be hostile towards anythinf different, so we will find differences to fight over.
You know atheists bang on about how believers are brainwashed, but you need to step back from your culture and see what's really going on.
You live in a largely secular, materialist and atheistic culture in reality. You are brainwashed from youth to disregard the supernatural and Spiritual. You are brainwashed by media, cartoons, films, music, adverts constantly into violence, sex and materialism.
God is absent from cultural programming.
You are a product of atheistic cultural brainwashing
I already told you, I was brainwashed into christianity. I didn't know anything about evolution until college. So it would seem you are wrongly labeling me as I did with you. I assumed you were brought up as a christian, now you are assuming I was brainwashed by this culture. Wrong. I irrationally disregarded atheism and science in favor of christianity.
I am talking about your "education" as being what brainwashed you in part into atheism, along with the secular media.
In truth atheism is irrational - when you look at the world without a bias agenda, then what we observe is clear evidence of a higher ultimate consciousness at the origin and behind the flow of life.
If you lead a child in Love and righteousness and give that child's Spirit good food, such as the words of God which are wise, loving, righteous and objectively true in their wisdom and guidance this will also feed them into a sound mind and a heart full of love and mercy attune to God.
Only God has the knowledge and right to take life, as God gave life and the spirit to each being, we do not have the right to murder anyone.
Abortion is the murder of innocent human life and no human, regardless of proximity to that new human life has the authority or right to kill it.
Although the soul of the baby will go to heaven as it was innocent, the mother and abortionist are in deep trouble unless they recognize the sin and repent of it and cease to practice it.
As I say we as fallible humans have no right to take life, only God does who created it and can see the motives of the heart.
wow. how is it a sin to instantly send someone to heaven. I would think that an act of mercy. So you are saying god would rather someone grow up and go to hell than die and be instantly in heaven. lol. What a joke!
It is not a sin when God takes a life because God only acts out of Love and righteousness with a full knowledge of that persons potential and intent of the heart.
We as humans do not have the right to take life or murder and every human should be allowed to live and have the right to their own freewill and choices.
Life is a gift of free will and expression which God has given us as a test and lesson - and no one is hell bound simply by reaching adulthood, but by rejecting God and his way
Some people despise this life and would have rather not been born. If dying as a baby is an instant ticket to heaven, then just kill babies. Why would god punish you for looking out for them by sending them straight to heaven? Once gain, I must conclude that god wants people in hell, otherwise it would be ok to kill babies. I guess heaven can get too crowded. All I am saying is that is heaven is guaranteed if you die a baby, then why even take the chance of making the wrong choice? That is evil!
because life can be a beautiful experience and it is in reality, it is a gift, and as long as the child has loving believing parents then they will experience a loving life with hope and wisdom
Life is also an opportunity to help other people
How we behave and what we do is very important, we reap what we sow and have to experience all that we give
So killing and removing the God given freewill and life of another is a very serious and harmful act of misconduct we would have to suffer for
Being born is a gift, it is an honour to experience this life and be given awareness and life from Gods Spirit and have a vessel to live in this world with.
The opportunity of life comes with the gift of freewill also, which means each being gets to choose what to do with their life. God allows us even to reject Him and His ways, but we have to bear the consequences of that choice.
Wronging, immorality and sin leads to suffering, but if we repent and change and turn to God we can be saved
Life is always a gift, regardless of the suffering, which in many cases leads people to realize appreciation.
Mankind has inflicted the disorder and suffering in the world upon himself by following the dark self obsessed satanic path.
This leads to all the spiritual, mental, emotional and physical disorder and the social disorder, such as starving children and homeless is also due to the imbalance of wealth, hoarding and greed of many individuals.
Trillions how'd you get that number? What do you want? When you give people free choice you risk them leading a life away from god. Just like you. Instead of moving towards the all powerful source of love you decide to live a life without meaning and without him. So you want him to accept you as one of his when you want nothing to do with him? Darkness, evil, and hopelessness are separation from God. You don't have God you ultimately separate yourself from the only light of the darkness.
The physical universe is finite and could not have created itself into existence no matter how far you go back, you fall into the error you accuse others of and ignore the reason which requires a creator not subject to the finite
God is Spirit, not physical and so eternal, only what is out-with the limits of space and time can be eternal and what is eternal has no beginning or end, no starting point or possibility of having or needing a creator or begetter.
So creation requires a creator yet the creator does not need to be created? What kind of sense is that?
Perhaps the eternal universe is what you're thinking about when you fashion a god out of it?
Sorry to nit pick, but the term "atheist ideas" is a non-sequitur. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in gods; that's it. The term "atheist" tells you absolutely nothing about what ideas (or lack thereof) they may have.
You think something huge and wonderful HAS to have a creator, yet when you define what or who that creator is you then say "THAT didn't need a creator." Complete nonsense! Why not just save yourself an embarrassing step and say, "We've got this huge universe, we can't explain it ALL, but we certainly know that to make up a god is just being dishonest and completely irrational."
If you can learn to think a bit more critically, you are bound to get over this obstacle that's been put before you.
Only what is finite requires creation. The physical universe with all of its laws, instructions and information requires an inception point and it does not have the intelligence or power to create itself.
The reason you cannot explain it with previous universes is for that reason, you keep needing to postulate a previous one.
At some point the finite universe demands creation and inception of all its intelligent qualities.
Only a none physical eternal consciousness can be responsible.
I'm not claiming to have a fully provable scientific theory about God existing. However, you ARE claiming that you have found the 100% truth that random chance created everything just cuz. Show me the scientific papers with such a provable theory? can't find one well guess what you operate on faith as well. You believe that random chance created everything. It is belief because you have no fully supported scientific paper to show that is the case. You think attacking believers is proof?
I take issue with the idea that we both operate on faith. That is a fallacy, and I know you're going to disagree with me on this, but hear me out.
Faith is defined as having full and absolute confidence in something, regardless of the existence of evidence to the contrary. In other words, you may have the law of averages against you, up against a giant obstacle, yet with "faith" you STILL think you're gonna win.
I don't live my life that way, sir. I would argue that neither do you. It's...
It takes a huge leap of unsubstantiated faith to believe that the order, systems design, purpose intelligence laws that we observe in nature and our own consciousness somehow arose without a higher conscious origin and source.
To believe a flower, a bird, a human and consciousness itself could evolve by accident and chance from some vague non intelligent source is a much greater leap of faith and delusion than to recognize it is clear evidence of a much vaster intelligent creator and being
Lol but don't you get it that is exactly why you operate on faith. "Faith is defined as having full and absolute confidence in something, regardless of the existence of evidence to the contrary. " There is no complete,fully supported theory that explains how random collisions of particles create life. So you operate on faith by your own definition.
That's funny you take issue when you have no proof for you position that random events created us. After taking into account all the prereqs for life as we know it to exist and even taking into account the billions of planets in the universe the chance for random collisions created life are astronomical and yet you believe in it. "In other words, you may have the law of averages against you, up against a giant obstacle, yet with "faith" you STILL think you're gonna win." Think about it.
Intelligent design is always going to be more statistically favorable. Actually there are no statistics involved in that.If its true it claims that someone created life. An atheist position says the improbable event that random collisions created something more complicated than our most advanced computer chips, RNA or DNA, is the case.Take into account that you need RNA or DNA, PowerSource, and protection all together at once and independently existing and the odds are so high against chance.
The evidence of God is Not Subtle lol - it is very blatant for those who are not brainwashed by excessively materialistic science agendas.
The universe, the order, the laws, the systems the intelligence and formless consciousness, the beauty of a flower, a deer, a bird is not by random accident from some unidentified unintelligent mysterious source.
It is atheists who believe in the magic of some unknown origin - reason and logic points to God the super intelligence at its source
Remember that God only has directly spoken to a handful of people. Moses, Elija, etc and I'm sure there are very good reasons for that. Also remember that even when Jesus walked on earth not everyone could see him for what he was. All I'm saying is perhaps it is not time and indeed most people wont get a chance to speak to him directly in this lifetime. I'm sure if you continue to ask for it and you move in that direction sooner or later it may happen. But I don't pretend to know the rules
Sure, and if I spend the rest of my life asking for evidence from Allah, Zeus, Vishnu, Ganesh, Thor and Venus I may someday get a reply, but the point is there is no reason to actively pursue any of these gods ("God" of The Bible included). It's really up to the person making the claim that such a god exists to prove it, NOT for the non-believer to prove they DON'T exist.
Again I'd like to give you the opportunity to make your case for how you know the particular god you believe in exists.
Look I'm not going to get into a debate with you. I have done that before and the result is always the same. I waste my time. If you don't want to believe in God that's your prerogative. Why are you watching this video? You'd like to give me the chance to prove to you my God exists? Because you'd be so receptive to anything I said? Its pointless. I have proof for myself. I don't have scientific proof if that's what you are looking for but I don't claim to operate on anything but faith.
He has proven himself to me. I don't base my beliefs on what you believe. You don't believe in God. Show me a full scientific paper that shows from start to finish without any assumptions or speculation that fully supports the idea that random collisions of certain elements created life. Before you start your research let me save you some time, there is not such a paper. You operate on faith also. You believe randomness created it us for no reason.
"He has proven himself to me." So say the Muslims, so say the Hindus, so say the (etc.) Do you not see how you're playing the same game that every other religion plays? What feels good and right to YOU must be the right way, right? Have you not stopped to realize that people who believe in conflicting gods all make the claims YOU do?
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that some god has proven himself to you. Assuming it's the Christian god, and assuming that all 2 billion of...
There is only one God of creation, most religions ignore the one true source or they have many deities which is a deception. There is only One ultimate source of all creation
That creator is super-intelligent all wise, Holy, loving righteous and just He is the pinnacle of awareness and consciousness.
We are but shadows and sparks given life by that one eternal formless consciousness. The Bible proves itself by it's Holiness, objective wisdom and love beyond what man can imagine or invent.
Actually if you research the subject of faith you will find many muslims, buddhists and people from other faiths are being converted by direct supernatural encounters with Jesus and being shown the true nature of God.
Christ was the perfect embodiment of God's Spirit, so to recognize or reject Jesus is the same as rejecting His Father.
Many who were not born into christian cultures are being converted by Him directly. And many in christian cultures are too stubborn and reject him, so......
..... it does not hold true that all people who believe in Christ and God were brainwashed into it.
In fact many in christian cultures become stubborn and arrogant and reject God and the Bible, THEY are actually programmed by a materialistic secular culture and education system into skepticism and atheism.
The true cultural programming going on the west is by secular materialism in the media and educations system which brainwashes millions into believing life came from nothing by accident.
That's quite a god you've got there when humanistic "cultural programming" is all it takes to make it appear he doesn't exist. I would've expected more out of someone so powerful, but I guess we all have our limitations.
You're gonna run your whole life without asking why? It boils down to this. We both operate on faith. My faith tells me there is meaning to life and that love is the most important thing. Your faith tells you that you are an accident with no meaning. You are scared to die and when you suffer through difficult times you are alone. I'm not scared of death and my faith sees me through the tough times. You chose a faith that gives you no hope. Ill leave you to yours leave me to mine.
WRONG; I ask "why?" all the time. How presumptuously rude to suggest I don't ask that question!
YOU operate on faith, I operate on EVIDENCE. You need to figure out the difference!
Your faith allows you to believe whatever feels good without ANY justification or evidence. How dare you suggest that I think of myself as an accident with no meaning. Your "faith" has made you an arrogant, egotistical oaf.
I'm not scared to die, nor am I alone in bad times.
The intelligent, ordered, miraculous, creation of nature is abundant evidence for the rational and discerning that the universe is not the product of an accident, random mutations nor could it have an unintelligent source.
The natural world and immaterial consciousness itself which is part of Gods Spirit is clear EVIDENCE of God, it is just many are too blinded by materialism alone to recognize the need for that super intelligent none physical source. The Bible reveals this being's nature
Respectfully, you've said a lot without really saying anything. Your answer, your "evidence" as you call it, is no different than if I'd asked a Muslim or a Hindu. You've taken the observation of how you see and assess the world, then attached a supernatural deity to explain it all. All religions do that. A Muslim would tell me it's proof of Allah, and the Qu-ran explains His nature. A Hindu would tell me it's proof of Vishnu, and the Bhagavad Gita explains His nature.
The observable evidence speaks clearly of intelligence, order, design, purpose, function, system, information, language.
When Nasa explores space it looks for some kind of ordered sequence to be able to discern intelligence in other places. The codes, languages, order, systems, patterns, laws and clear intelligence and order in nature let alone the mystery of consciousness is clear irrefutable evidence of a grand intelligent source and author of all.
So what "ordered sequence" have you found on earth that is a clear sign that THE GOD OF THE BIBLE is communicating with us? I'm not talking about pretty sunsets or the earth spinning or stars twinkling, I'm talking about solid, irrefutable messages that God Almighty is talking to us.
Did you actually just type "the mystery of consciousness is clear irrefutable evidence of a grand intelligent source and author of all"? In other words, NOT knowing something is proof god exists? REALLY?!?!
he could of just said the illuminati. they control EVERYTHING!!
look up how their system works. some of you will be very surprised.
Emblemz 8 months ago
I God the same experience when i was 22 --i was so bad and into a lot of sexual immoralities as a single then--one night while asleep i saw myself i a very dark pit-and people in there started pulling me and i was terrified coz i knew it was the pit--I started calling the lord and thier hans jsut slip like greased--i then i saw a white dot then it grows into a very bright light like a sun the n i woke-up-then i knew the lord wants saves those who believes in him even the sinners like me.
wildsurfer67 8 months ago
My computer speakers are not working now, but I think I heard him saying that he was in a room that lead to a hallway when he was dead. So was there one room and one hallway in all of space?
MrEternalNightmare 1 year ago
Atheists can be redeemed? That's awesome.
hosweetim89 1 year ago
@GoldenLightD I only saw parts of this video about the part when he talks about America's judgment and how in the next few hundred years we will be with God which I think it's during the reign of Jesus which is very near didn't he saw that people of today might be alive hudreds of years from now? Or was it another video? I will watch the whole thing now!
QQMarkPS2 1 year ago
"Rugged individualism," great quote. He hit the nail on the head.
StimpsonJKat 2 years ago
Unbelievers who don't believe in God AND THINK THY HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS Research more about NDE Google this link .
Near death experiences and the afterlife . AND The Final Frontier - The Movie
I believe him 100% GOD BLESS
davidsimonsean 2 years ago
Whats interesting is that he says that Jesus is not the only way, that people looking for God, who dont know where else to look, but seek God, even though it may not be Jesus, also go to heaven
dnlcast2 2 years ago
That is the thing, Jesus was God incarnate, Gods Spirit completely pure within an earthen vessel.
So those who seek God are seeking Jesus and visa versa, but those who reject Jesus are also rejecting God and visa versa, as Jesus perfectly represented God in all of hid qualities and essence as He is the Spirit of God incarnate.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
This is an interesting perspective that I have not come across before. So do you believe that people in other religions can go to heaven because they are seeking 'God', while not realizing they are also seeking Jesus?
geyser27 1 year ago
@GoldenLightD~ Amen to that, bro.
marek0086 9 months ago
Job 6:6 "Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?"
ExcappareZ 2 years ago
To those who don't believe in God or His Son, thats ok, but don't call us brainwashed because brainwashing is a process of forcing a set of beliefs on someone else. We who believe choose to follow the scriptures and by faith have accepted the teachings of Christ into our hearts and lives. If you choose to call us brainwashed, it is totally incorrect and twisted. I choose to believe because I have faith in what Jesus did on the cross for me personally.
jcmann01 2 years ago
Great video, thanks for posting.
I first heard of him during the playback of an old Art Bell radio interview that he did many years ago. It's an amazing interview and should be tracked down for anyone who hasn't heard it.
I believe it's still available on the "coast to coast am" website as an archive. It's several hours long where he goes into great detail his journey into the afterlife and what he learned from it.
kosai19 2 years ago
I find it even if the bible is false like some athesit believe I still think it's the right thing to do no matter what. Ya know? I mean i believe it i'm just saying it's like still the right thing to presude in life ya know?
SuperNaturalMotel 2 years ago
What these NDE's affirm is that there is an ultimate superconscious God of Spirit and light at the source of life. Also that there are consequences for everything we say and do in life and that God is Loving and Holy, but also has a very clear path and will, which is love, holiness, goodness. If we do not follow His path there are terrible consequences, in the same way there are harmful consequences to putting your hand in a fire, there are harmful results from following and evil way.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I beleive in God just not the God you believe in, It is a fairytale, And if God is truely lvong and caring and desires no one to go there he wil send no one there peroid, Sorry does god not do th Judgment so techniclaly he does, Now hristian I amnot interested in Christianity peroid
virtuallad06 2 years ago
@virtuallad06 when you make up your own version of God you are making god in your own image. In reality God made us in his image and we should humble ourselves as seek the one ultimate and objective source of all life and consciousness. It stands to reason that the fountainhead and pinnacle of all life would be all wise, all just, all good and moral. It is just and fair that unrepentant harm is returned, and if a being rejects goodness and God they will receive their spiritual desire.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
@virtuallad06 Yes God is the judge but he judges our heart, so it also depends on how we use our freewill and if we choose to follow the path of morality and goodness or the path of harm and deception. There are spiritual consequences to each path in this life and in the afterlife.
The pinnacle of all life and awareness is Holy and cannot dwell with pride, contempt, hate and so on, we must repent of these qualities or we alienate ourself from God and enter a dimension devoid of God and peace
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
so how can we walk in Holiness when we all sin i try my best to be holy but i just cant and i ask God to forgive me but the temptation and mindset are so tempting. i asked God for forgivness and repented my sins but for some reason i went back to doing the same thing and now i feel ashamed and i fear that God will not forgive me anymore because i have so much fear dat i can't stop the panic and depression anti-social behavior. I can't even focus witout the constant negative thoughts coming back
KillaDEastAtlanta 2 years ago
so now i feel guilt that i have fallen so deep that God will not let me into his kingdom. I did drugs,alcohol,sex,pornography,hate,greed,been jealous, and i've lost interest in many part of my life and can't seem to get back on track so i stop smoking hoping that i might return but the fear is so much that i can't seem to maintain i ask God every night to redeem me sometime i feel blessed for seconds but thats when my doubt start coming back and i can't seem to get rid of these thoughts
KillaDEastAtlanta 2 years ago
@KillaDEastAtlanta god will always forgive you. he promised. we all mess up. the bible says we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of god. that means, none of us can deserve heaven, but if we do our best and ask forgiveness he will let us go there
CherryBooooomb 1 year ago
i feel like i can't maintain it's like every time i make a move i fall right back down in seconds and i need to make it to the gates of heaven and make my dad (GOD) proud but i just need to get rid of these thoughts but i can't seem to do it
KillaDEastAtlanta 2 years ago
can you help me please? Pray for me i really need it i feel like God turned his back on me and that there is no reason for living anymore because i feel like i've failed the test of life
KillaDEastAtlanta 2 years ago
People send themselves their through their own choices they make.
shgibby61981 2 years ago
If God is a loving caring God like he says he is, he will not send any one to the lake of Fire, And he wil understand why people are so pissedoff with Fundies (Not alll Christians, There are ones out there who are relaly nice)
Psalm 103:14 He knoweth our framework he rememberth that we are dust so he will understand, Why is own people are not liked Because you's are bullies, Emtional blackmail of course not all our like this
virtuallad06 2 years ago
There is justice in life and the universe and so all abuse has to be recompensed. Those who live an ignorant life, scornful and abusive, and do not repent or change, they will have to suffer the consequences of their actions and deeds.
God is merciful and understanding, but He is also just and righteous - He cannot fellowship with prideful, unrepentant and hostile hearts and beings.
Without Gods Spirit and light there is only the outer darkness which is void of anything good or peaceful.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
In essence people send themselves to hell, when they choose the path of hate, pride and abuse, instead of the path of Christ which is humility, forgiveness, gentleness and understanding.
It is not wise for followers of God to hate anyone, understanding God is the judge, nor is it wise for non believers to judge or hate believers.
It is right for followers of God to say what is true though, and that God is Holy and expects us to repent and follow his ways and that He has standards to follow.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Also, how does the trinity come in here when God is "One"?? How can God be in a trinity with his own creation when he is one?? Also, notice in one of Storm's video he was told that there are many other universe's out there and many other creations out there. Some like us and others not like us. Questi? If there are 1000's of oda beings out there besides us then where is there only a trinity of God and man. Where is there not like a 1000 (trinity) since there are 1000's of oda creations of God.
johnnyabdullah 2 years ago
God is one, by has three main aspects or modes of expression. The Father is God in heaven, in his supreme infinite heavenly non physical abode. God the Son is Jesus Christ which was the Spirit of God incarnated into a human body vessel 2000 years ago to show us the way to God and salvation and out of the hell of pride and violence. The Holy Spirit is Gods Spirit in activity on earth, in believers and followers of the way. It is all God but three different expressions and types.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Ok, Goldenlight. You said that God is One and also spirit. How is God a spirit? When we die we are spirits... We have a spirit/soul inside of us. I don't believe that God is a spirit. I believe that God is much more bigger than that, beyond our comprehension. If God is a spirit, then that means that he is just like one of us. He isn't nothing like us humans. He is not a human and he is not a spirit as well. He is bigger than that. I don't think we can fully comprehend what he is..
johnnyabdullah 2 years ago
God cannot be physical in essence or He would be limited to space time and matter and incapable of having created the universe. God exists prior to the creation of the universe, this non physical super conscious energy is Spirit. God is the supreme source and fountainhead of all Spirit, consciousness and life. When each soul was created God breathed and gave a portion of his eternal Spirit to form that new being. God is Spirit but entered into a human vessel in the form of Jesus 2000 y ago
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
God is not complex, God at his essence is pure simplicity, Holiness and all that is good.
The complexity and interconnected systems we observe in nature are an example of God's great genius, intelligence and order.
God is not physical, so notions of Him having to be some complex mechanism are false.
God is Spirit, which is beyond the physical and beyond human comprehension. Yet we have an aspect of Gods Spirit within us, our consciousness which is not physical.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
SO basically, we cant touch him, see him or prove he exists. I can't accept an entity like that
0121ryanh117 2 years ago
The intelligent and ordered creation and universe is evidence of a much vaster super intelligence at the source and origin. Morality and conscience are also evidence that consciousness is not merely an animalistic evolutionary accident. You cannot touch or see consciousness or gravity or space but you believe these things exist on the basis of their effects and symptoms such as the effect thought has. In the same way the super intelligence of God is made evident in the ordered creation.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
All diseases and viruses are defects in the design and order which come on a Spiritual, mental and emotional level and then express themselves on a molecular level, the physical is simply a symptom or reflection of the inner person and Spirit.
A mother who smokes and doesn't look after herself during pregnancy may cause damage to the babies outer body, likewise immoral conduct between the parents may cause disorders in that new being, but genetics is not the cause of most illnesses and defects
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
on that last post, I meant to say spoke in "tongues"
Melzack 2 years ago
Hope I made my point I dont know if there is an after life or a god. I can only hope there isnt. I was a christian but I wanted only truth, not the fluff they preach on sundays. I read the bible, prayed, even spoke in tingues on several occasions. However, the bible was inconsistent and the pain of this life was so real I knew there was something else going on. If you believe in this god, I only hope you see the truth. If god is real, prepare for hell, because that's all there is. dont have kids
Melzack 2 years ago
This life is a testing gound for the actual existance of the spiritual world. If it was supposed to be easy, everyone would go to heaven and there would be no point in this world. Don't try to be smarter than God.
skipke2020 2 years ago
so it was intended to be extremely difficult. Basically you are saying that we were set up to fail. That actually makes sense. Why don't you take a look at those scriptures I left in the comments on this video.
Melzack 2 years ago
No, not set to fail. Only given individual choice. There are millions of planets with people who choose good over evil. The story of the Bible is how man has chosen evil. Be it sex, money, false idols, we have failed miserably. What to you expect a pat on the back from God when we are possibly his most deviant creation yet.
skipke2020 2 years ago
And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." (I Samuel 16:23)
And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand." (I Samuel 19:9
Melzack 2 years ago
"For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, to meet Israel in battle in order that he might utterly destroy them, that they might receive no mercy, but that he might destroy them, just as the Lord had commanded Moses," (Joshua 11:20).
And it shall come about that as the Lord delighted over you to prosper you, and multiply you, so the Lord will delight over you to make you perish and destroy you. . ." (Deut. 28:63).
Melzack 2 years ago
And the Lord said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go," (Exodus 4:21). But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as he is today," (Deut. 2:30).
Melzack 2 years ago
"The One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:7).
"Who is there who speaks and it comes to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth?" (Lam. 3:37-38).
"So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires," (Rom. 9:18).
Melzack 2 years ago
And the Lord said to him, 'Who has made mans mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?'" (Exodus 4:11).
"If a calamity occurs in a city has not the Lord done it?" (Amos 3:6).
Melzack 2 years ago
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28).
"The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil," (Prov. 16:4).
Melzack 2 years ago
"And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12in order that while seeing, they may see and not perceive; and while hearing, they may hear and not understand lest they return and be forgiven,"
(Mark 4:11-12).
"just as it is written, 'God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes to see not and ears to hear not, down to this very day,'" (Rom. 11:8).
Melzack 2 years ago
GoldenLightD I have watched all the videos and I want you to know you have been duped by god. I can prove it using scripture as well. God doesn't hide his true nature. Near death experiences are explained here: "And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false," (2 Thess. 2:11).
Melzack 2 years ago
I'm sure the "fags" are quite happy to not have to spend eternity with the likes of you.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
I love all people as
God would have it, but I also feel very sorry and afraid for those that do not believe...I hear sour grapes from many, but those that do not care about their afterlife...I can only hope and pray that they have such an experience to wake them up...
I saw Jesus and He is real!
Deb
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
My great great aunt was a woman who was a God-fearing woman who was also terrified of dying. She prayed so much to God to keep her alive as long as possible. She got really sick and had an NDE and surprisingly enough when she was revived she said in tears of joy "If that's what its gonna be like then I'm very well ready to be with the Lord". It was very inspiring and encouraging :)
Youlube32 2 years ago
I remember his Unsolved Mysteries episode. Hell is personalized by what you attach yourself to in life. The inability to see your frustrations as mere illusions is what forms this purgatory.
voltinator 2 years ago
read the Bible...it details Hell...it is not a place that you want to go to...infact...once you get there...there is NO way out! Ask Jesus to come into your life now and trust only in HIM!
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
You've got your head up your ass for one thing. You've been listening to your parents too much who in fact just don't want you to conceive a baby before you have a steady job, hence they play into your proclivity towards supernaturalism. The bible is kids stuff meant for people with a bronze age mentality... you know cave people who follow instincts rather than insight. They're still around as evidenced by your goofball rant.
voltinator 2 years ago
Oh...such anger...sorry, but I have my head on straight and I know HE is real and you need to open your heart and mind to Jesus...besides...do you eat with that mouth?!?!?!
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
unsolved mysteries???? the Bible tells tell truth...NOT unsolved mysteries! Hell is not a place you want to go to!!!
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
Praise God
ffleaderman24 2 years ago
Everyone needs to see this!
clubsoda69 2 years ago
Cypherus21....hats off to you.
exclamashun 2 years ago
It is very clear that atheists have fragmented God into a cacophony of euphemisms. A very interesting common denominator among atheists is the obsession with the topic of belief and unbelief; this obsession demonstrates that they are not really taking atheism seriously, but that they find the topic of God more interesting than unbelief itself. That God echoes in the atheistic mind in this way, is not very unnatural considering how greatly they have fragmented God`s role in their life.
Cypherus21 2 years ago
I try not to agure with them but instead present my side. and basicly tell them that God loves them and religion is man made. and that believing is seeing and that covers about 50% of their argument.
You have to remember that people,even as far back as our grandparents have ben brainwashed in public schools from kindergarden through collage. as I have.
~God bless =)
SilentPrayingmanTis 2 years ago
You come off as very shallow. For me its not that I don't believe in a god. I think there has to be SOMETHING out there. But even if I did believe in a god...why would I choose yours? Don't think everything is just atheism vs. christianity.
PerfectionZinc 2 years ago
"why would I choose yours?"
I subscribe to Baha'ist interpretations of God, not Christian. I believe God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers, whose teachings guide and educate us and provide the basis for the advancement of human society. These Messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad. Their religions come from the same Source and are in essence successive chapters of one religion from God.
Cypherus21 2 years ago
Too bad certain groups with their own biases tend to twist the original views of these holy messengers of God to their own selfish close minded agenda.
adryanv 2 years ago
amen
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
The Bible clearly states that there is only ONE way to heaven...through Jesus Christ...there are many many paths, but only ONE is the way to heaven...
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
fake
ragnariii 2 years ago
When you "die" and oxygen is cut off to the brain it is common to "see a light" and feel strange. It is jsut the brains lack of oxygen that causes this. One man was put into a "dead" state for several weeks-they cooled his body and all funtions halted. He saw this light and went through a tunnel, but when his brain halted he went into a sleep without dreams, they woke him up and he said all of that went on, but then he did not exist anymore-mentally- . Death is death, no afterlife.
jacksonjr0458 2 years ago
If atheists don't believe their own, then what can they believe?
There are also numerous doctors on the nde site that conclude that the scientific "illusion" analysis is a thoroughly dead thesis, particularly because the brain is dead - it cannot have vivid senses of love, despair, life review, and God, far removed from atheists who don't expect such experiences.
It is easy to see atheists clutching at straws looking for any alternative of existence without God.
Cypherus21 2 years ago
Whatever man.
jacksonjr0458 2 years ago
"Whatever man."
As Howard Storm said in his book, "In the end, God wins..."
If this life is really a prelude to the main event, why is the notion of believing in a higher power above ones self such a difficult notion? It's not a matter of insufficient evidence. The ontological argument for "God" itself is existence. Instead, I believe it's a personal battle between man making himself God versus knowing God.
Cypherus21 2 years ago
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ScarecrowX3 2 years ago
actually big guy in some nde their is more oxygen in the brain.
youngcatlaflare 2 years ago
Then how do you explain patients who have been prounced dead during a operation (cardiac and brain dead) and yet they claim to have witnessed their procedure from a aireal height? And even have been able to relay conversations the doctors and nurses were having during the procedure. It contradicts your theory about the oxygen, because these ppl were brain dead.
EffLabels 2 years ago
Because there is no explanation. The world is too complicated and atheists are driven crazy by the fact that there are some things science can't explain.
bull864 2 years ago
I agree with you 100 %. Some Atheists are just as arrogant as religious fundemntalists. The truth is, no one knows.
EffLabels 2 years ago
Exactly. No one does know because it's beyond human conception.
Sean2112bd 2 years ago
I am coming to know that more & more.
dannukesem 2 years ago
The Bible will tell you the truth and HELL IS REAL! Don't take the chances of dying at any given moment and find out when it is too late...Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven...He died for you and yet the whole world...trust ONLY in Him!
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
How do you know the Bible is true? What system of assessment do you use to discern if it's right or not?
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
when you have an open heart and want the truth...you call out to God...He will reveal Himself to you...only when you want the truth...once you die...it will be too late...
timdeb4ever 2 years ago
I've prayed to "God" my entire life, with a sincere, open heart and a desire to know him. I asked him daily for guidance and to impart his existence into my life so that I could know him as he wants me to know him.
I got nothing in response.
I sincerely care about the truth, and I'd hoped that this "God" would expose it to me, but either he won't/can't/ or isn't there. I've called upon him. I am here to tell you there's no one there.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
For whatever reason, most people can't speak to him directly.I think you'll find more subtle clues but don't give up.If you believe in what the bible says, and if you believe the words of Jesus Christ then what do you have to worry about.If you believe Jesus when he says love God above everyone and love your neighbor, forgive, etc will your life nor be enriched? Sometimes we ask for things we are not ready for. Maybe its not time for some reason. Or maybe it requires more spiritual growth.
bardoc13 2 years ago
Relying on subtle clues just leaves the door wide open for misinterpretation. Something as important as where you'll spend eternity shouldn't be left to guesswork and chance. Agreed?
What it comes down to is there is no evidence to suggest there is a god of any kind out there. If you have proof of one I'd love to hear it. It's quite OK (and honest) to admit "I don't know" when it comes to life's big questions. It's quite NOT OK to plug in a magic answer like "a god did it" with no proof.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
You don't realize that you are inserting the magic answer "a God didn't do it"? You(well not you, actual people working in the field of abiogenesis or evolution) have no coherent fully supported theory that shows from beginning to end, how life can spring up from certain elements. At the very least that we both operate on faith. Would you even understand a full scientific paper with statistical math or would you assume the scientist is right?
bardoc13 2 years ago
You don't realize that you are inserting the magic answer "a unicorn didn't fly over my house last night"? You (well not you, actual people working in the field of fantasy or fairy tales) have no coherent fully supported theory that shows from the middle ages to now, how horses can exist without flying, or having elongated spears jutting from their forehead.
(Do you see what I'm getting at?)
It's not up to the person who HONESTLY tells you they have no answer to explain everything. You.....
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
This is a short sighted false argument. There is no reason to presume about unicorns or false physical ideas of God because God has to be beyond the physical nor limited to the finite creation. God is made evident and required when we observe His intelligent and ordered creation.
Creation did not come from nothing by chance and accident, the creation is clear evidence of the higher ultimate authorship and authority of the one intelligent God and source of all life
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
There is no evidence for any unicorns flying over your house for for any delusional false ideas about god such as spaghetti or anything physical.
The proof and evidence of God is shown clearly in the intelligent design and order of creation the natural world and our consciousness - This is the handiwork of a great intelligent ordered mind - you have been brainwashed to ignore this basic rational logic and believe it just happened with no source by accident which is irrational
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Let's cut to the chase if you want to discuss who's being irrational here.
You think that a big, wonderful universe such as ours BEGS the OBVIOUS conclusion that a super, powerful deity "did it." I ask you, is this deity LESS than its creation, EQUAL to its creation, or GREATER than its creation? Every theist I know would say that their god is GREATER than the creation. Where does that leave us? You don't even believe in your own argument, THAT'S where it leaves us.
To be continued...
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
Only what is finite requires creation. The physical universe with all of its laws, instructions and information requires an inception point and it does not have the intelligence or power to create itself.
The reason you cannot explain it with previous universes is for that reason, you keep needing to postulate a previous one.
At some point the finite universe demands creation and inception of all its intelligent qualities.
Only a none physical eternal consciousness can be responsible.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
How do you know the universe is finite? For all we know it could be infinite. It's not hard to imagine. If you can conceive of a deity being everlasting then it's not much of a jump to imagine this universe everlasting (changing constantly all the time). If you're going to say "god is eternal" then why not save a step and say "the universe is eternal"? At least we know the universe exists!
"Only a non-physical eternal consciousness can be responsible"? You know this HOW exactly?!?!
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
there is a starting point for everything that is physical - even the secularist science community agrees that the universe is expanding and cooling down in itself elements which shows it had an initial starting point, you are just trying to push back the starting point to ignore the need for a starter.
The physical universe is incapable of creating itself or imbuing all of the intelligent order, systems and laws, saying "its always been there" is just an ignorant cop out
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I already explained it -The universe is full of intelligent systems and order, purpose drive mechanisms - these speak of and require a much greater intelligence to have created and imbued them even in potentiality in existence.
To just ignore the question of origin is willful ignorance, matter and the elements in and of themselves have no intelligence or capacity to imbue themselves with the non physical order and intelligence we observe
Spirit/ consciousness is eternal as it is not physical
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I'm not ignoring the question of origin, and therefore not willfully ignorant, thank you. I'm willing to say "I don't know" whereas someone who thinks a god did it is likely to say "case closed, that's it, I can't prove it and I don't have to prove it."
What is a spirit, what is consciousness, and how on earth can you claim to know they're eternal?
You keep making the argument that complexity needs a creator, yet when we get back to "the incredibly complex creator" your argument fails.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
Very good arguments, i read through all of them. thank you for your encouragement! I love God too.
perfectday4chocolate 2 years ago
I like that you watch these tapes to save us all from a life with god. I don't like religions either but that does not affect my belief in God. So you want to save us from a life of hope and love so that we believe in a hopeless existence as an accident?You want us to go from believing that there is more after death to believing that once we die its over? when you have no proof for your position? You want us to be scared of death and alone like you? keep your "saving" to yourself.
bardoc13 2 years ago
Hope? trillions of people burning in hell is hope? Your kids. Do you think every one of them will make the right choice? What about heir kids or their kids kids or their kids kids kids? Will every person from every generation make the right choice? Don't have kids.
Melzack 2 years ago
Children do not go to Hell.
When a person reaches the age of accountability, where they have the ability to choose or reject God then this is when the risk of eternal isolation from the one source of all life occurs.
When a person is able to reason about existential existence the onus then is on him to accept and seek or reject and scoff at God.
The ultimate higher intelligence is shown clearly in the intelligent and ordered creation we see and are - no one has an excuse for atheism
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Jesus showed Children as the example of who would enter the spiritual kingdom of God several times.
This is because children are innocent, without agendas and are not embroiled in bitterness, long held grievances or lustful obsessions.
To be born again comes when you admit your sins and wrongdoing in life and then repent and turn back to God and Christ and follow their guidance and ways of goodness, truth, forgiveness, mercy, peace purity and righteousness.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I was saying that children will grow up and thus be accountable. That is why I say don't have kids. If you must have kids anyway, then just kill them before they get "smart enough" to make their choice of eternal peace or torment. Tell me why you are not killing every child you see. Tell me why you are not going into nurseries and spraying the babies down with bullets. And please do not say that you are against abortion. According to you, abortion is a great act of mercy. Do you understand?!
Melzack 2 years ago
If you are wise and guard children from secular media and education brainwashing, if you let them develop with love and righteousness then they will not lose their faith in God, angels and heaven.
The education system starts on a premise of ruling our the supernatural realm and God - and focuses only on the tangible and physical, this leads many children into atheism and hell. Couple that with the continual secular media promoting sex, violence and materialism and you have the true....
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
All it takes is a little rational thinking to see the truth about your beliefs. You are christian because that is what you were taught. If we were in india you would be hindu. If we were in the middle east you'd be muslim, etc. You do not choose your beliefs out of logic, your beliefs are passed sown to you. Are you telling me that if you grew up in india, you would somehow come to christ and reject hinduism? You wouldn't. You would have a dot on your head like the rest.
Melzack 2 years ago
So you are telling me would have a dot on your head and be a hindu if you had brought up in India?
please do not parrot dawkins ill thought out nonsense
My parents were both agnostics through my childhood and I had no religious pressure. I studied many if not most spiritual paths over the last ten years including Buddhism hinduism, theosophy and used to be newage universalist - but now I realize all other paths as leading away from the One true God and source of all life - Christ is the way
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I probably would have started out hindu. Well now you have sparked my curiosity. How did you come to conclude that this religion is right? Especially considering there is no evidence of god whatsoever. I found buddhism to make the most sense, though ultimately I reject that too.
Melzack 2 years ago
You see dawkins argument falls to pieced in practice. IN fact he and you are evidence that his argument is false, as everyone has the freewill to accept or reject a path or understanding and both have.
You do a great disservice also to the millions who have a sound and strong faith through personal experience, revelation and understanding who happen to have been blessed to have been born into a faith filled family.
To assume they are all ignorant is ignorant.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
lol the evidence for God is EVERYWHERE.
Every part of the created universe and world speaks of incredible intelligence and order, structure, systems, mechanisms of purpose and drive, patterns, information, beauty.
This is what materialistic science does it brainwashes common sense out of people and fixates them only on elements.
Do you really thing a hummingbird, a rose, a sunset, a deer, a human being is an accident with no higher ultimate intelligent design or source???????
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
But how is it evidence of a specific god? Why is it not Zeus? Science only fixates on what we can observe and verify. Where do your conclusions about the nature of god come from? Surely not from nature. What about viruses, ticks, mosquitoes, bot flies, and bacteria? These came from the same intelligent source? I sent you a personal message so we can talk heart to heart :)
Melzack 2 years ago
zeus and other greek and egyptian and tibetan "gods" are part of a pantheon of semi physical type deities.
God cannot be physical or else he would be in some way limited to the created universe. The origin of the universe, space and time has to be out-with that restriction. God, the ultimate author and source of all has to be non physical and Spirit and the Bible makes this clear throughout.
The pinnacle of all wisdom and life would be objectively Holy, righteous, loving, good, wise loving
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. (Gen. 3:8)
Seriously, Have you read the bible? God was walking around. God gets angry. You have a supposedly all powerful being that gets upset. Anger comes from lack of control. If god can get angry, then god is not all powerful. I see a god made in the image of man.
Melzack 2 years ago
Your questions are good and honest and you do not get too offended or hostile which means there is still hope.
How would a loving God view or respond to a baby being raped for 14 days by a gang of men?
with great righteous anger and wrath. Not an anger born out of petty self centered malice. But an anger born out of righteousness and the desire for right to be done and innocent abuse to be ended.
This is the reason for all of Gods destruction in the OT - God defending the innocent from evil
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
God is One and also Spirit - If you believe in One God of Spirit then you are believing in the true God and that ultimate source of all life would also be all wise, all loving, all righteous, all good, all understanding, all Holy - all that is good and right in it's most pure and finest form
The objective source and origin for all that we understand and know to be right and good.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Diseases and disorders in my view all stem from the disorder and immorality of living. One small example, hate, anger, excessive lust all lead to great stress on the system, high blood pressure and other physical ailments such as ulcers and even cancer.
If we are around long enough on earth science may find that most diseases are self inflicted due to lifestyle, conduct and the way we think and respond to things.
The theory for ticks and so on is they used to feed on plants but now blood
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
You make many false assumptions and the cultural generalizing is not true. Many muslims and hindus and buddhists are having direct revelation and experiences with Christ and simply realizing that the One true God of life is Spirit and is real - there are channels on youtube devoted to Muslims for Christ and Jews who have all gone against family and cultural bonds in the name of their new faith and understanding.
We are not all brainwashed by those in authority in the world (Edu system & media)
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
And I have seen christians go buddhist, muslim, and atheist. The problem I see with god-based religions is not that they believe in gods. My problem is with the attributes they give god. How do you know what god's will is or if it even has one. I would say that if you must believe in a god, then you can only use observable creation to understand god. As I see it, I have no reason to believe that any god is involved in our affairs in a negative or positive way. How did you come to christ?
Melzack 2 years ago
You have observed the reality which contradicts the dawkins dogma that everyone is a believer simply because they were born into that culture and tradition.
Parental influence and society only goes so far, and many actually rebel against pushy parents - current famous example katy perry. The Spirit of rebellions is high in most adolescents and so they usually reject what their parents say unless they have a God given humility and have not been programmed into rebellion through music and media
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I went to the teachings of the dalai lama twice, I have studied both theravadan and mahayana buddhism, I was serious about it. I never labelled myself of any particular religion as I saw them all as leading to the same ultimate goal and source. heaven/nirvana/enlightenment/God.
However I have realized there is only one true source of all life, consciousness and Spirit and that is the One God of Spirit. That objective mastermind is Holy and righteous and the Bible reflects this as does Christ
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
by the way dawkins is a living contradiction of that dogma he espouses. That you only follow a certain way because of parental influence, as he was brought up in a christian tradition and yet rejected it. Many are brought up with non religious parents and then awaken and seek God.
Some are taught from birth about God and continue in this traditions
Some are brainwashed by atheistic parents from birth and continue in that tradition.
It is different for everyone.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I agree, but for the most part, it is upbringing. I do not like dawkins message either. He thinks religion is so horrible but it is not. It gives people hope, and a reason to live. I wouldn't want to see a world without that. dawkins points out the atrocities of religion, but religion is not to blame; people are. People will kill each other with or without religion. We are programmed to be hostile towards anythinf different, so we will find differences to fight over.
Melzack 2 years ago
Upbringing can have an influence but during the adolescents period children tend to try and do the opposite of what their parents tell them.
The rest of your comment is true
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
You know atheists bang on about how believers are brainwashed, but you need to step back from your culture and see what's really going on.
You live in a largely secular, materialist and atheistic culture in reality. You are brainwashed from youth to disregard the supernatural and Spiritual. You are brainwashed by media, cartoons, films, music, adverts constantly into violence, sex and materialism.
God is absent from cultural programming.
You are a product of atheistic cultural brainwashing
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I already told you, I was brainwashed into christianity. I didn't know anything about evolution until college. So it would seem you are wrongly labeling me as I did with you. I assumed you were brought up as a christian, now you are assuming I was brainwashed by this culture. Wrong. I irrationally disregarded atheism and science in favor of christianity.
Melzack 2 years ago
I am talking about your "education" as being what brainwashed you in part into atheism, along with the secular media.
In truth atheism is irrational - when you look at the world without a bias agenda, then what we observe is clear evidence of a higher ultimate consciousness at the origin and behind the flow of life.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
... brainwashing which is going on in the world.
If you lead a child in Love and righteousness and give that child's Spirit good food, such as the words of God which are wise, loving, righteous and objectively true in their wisdom and guidance this will also feed them into a sound mind and a heart full of love and mercy attune to God.
Only God has the knowledge and right to take life, as God gave life and the spirit to each being, we do not have the right to murder anyone.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Abortion is the murder of innocent human life and no human, regardless of proximity to that new human life has the authority or right to kill it.
Although the soul of the baby will go to heaven as it was innocent, the mother and abortionist are in deep trouble unless they recognize the sin and repent of it and cease to practice it.
As I say we as fallible humans have no right to take life, only God does who created it and can see the motives of the heart.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
wow. how is it a sin to instantly send someone to heaven. I would think that an act of mercy. So you are saying god would rather someone grow up and go to hell than die and be instantly in heaven. lol. What a joke!
Melzack 2 years ago
It is not a sin when God takes a life because God only acts out of Love and righteousness with a full knowledge of that persons potential and intent of the heart.
We as humans do not have the right to take life or murder and every human should be allowed to live and have the right to their own freewill and choices.
Life is a gift of free will and expression which God has given us as a test and lesson - and no one is hell bound simply by reaching adulthood, but by rejecting God and his way
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Some people despise this life and would have rather not been born. If dying as a baby is an instant ticket to heaven, then just kill babies. Why would god punish you for looking out for them by sending them straight to heaven? Once gain, I must conclude that god wants people in hell, otherwise it would be ok to kill babies. I guess heaven can get too crowded. All I am saying is that is heaven is guaranteed if you die a baby, then why even take the chance of making the wrong choice? That is evil!
Melzack 2 years ago
because life can be a beautiful experience and it is in reality, it is a gift, and as long as the child has loving believing parents then they will experience a loving life with hope and wisdom
Life is also an opportunity to help other people
How we behave and what we do is very important, we reap what we sow and have to experience all that we give
So killing and removing the God given freewill and life of another is a very serious and harmful act of misconduct we would have to suffer for
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Being born is a gift, it is an honour to experience this life and be given awareness and life from Gods Spirit and have a vessel to live in this world with.
The opportunity of life comes with the gift of freewill also, which means each being gets to choose what to do with their life. God allows us even to reject Him and His ways, but we have to bear the consequences of that choice.
Wronging, immorality and sin leads to suffering, but if we repent and change and turn to God we can be saved
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
being born is not a gift. To some, it is a curse. To some it is an endless nightmare. ridiculous.
Melzack 2 years ago
Life is always a gift, regardless of the suffering, which in many cases leads people to realize appreciation.
Mankind has inflicted the disorder and suffering in the world upon himself by following the dark self obsessed satanic path.
This leads to all the spiritual, mental, emotional and physical disorder and the social disorder, such as starving children and homeless is also due to the imbalance of wealth, hoarding and greed of many individuals.
The mess of the world is mankind's fault.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Trillions how'd you get that number? What do you want? When you give people free choice you risk them leading a life away from god. Just like you. Instead of moving towards the all powerful source of love you decide to live a life without meaning and without him. So you want him to accept you as one of his when you want nothing to do with him? Darkness, evil, and hopelessness are separation from God. You don't have God you ultimately separate yourself from the only light of the darkness.
bardoc13 2 years ago
The physical universe is finite and could not have created itself into existence no matter how far you go back, you fall into the error you accuse others of and ignore the reason which requires a creator not subject to the finite
God is Spirit, not physical and so eternal, only what is out-with the limits of space and time can be eternal and what is eternal has no beginning or end, no starting point or possibility of having or needing a creator or begetter.
Reason destroys these atheist ideas
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
So creation requires a creator yet the creator does not need to be created? What kind of sense is that?
Perhaps the eternal universe is what you're thinking about when you fashion a god out of it?
Sorry to nit pick, but the term "atheist ideas" is a non-sequitur. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in gods; that's it. The term "atheist" tells you absolutely nothing about what ideas (or lack thereof) they may have.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
You think something huge and wonderful HAS to have a creator, yet when you define what or who that creator is you then say "THAT didn't need a creator." Complete nonsense! Why not just save yourself an embarrassing step and say, "We've got this huge universe, we can't explain it ALL, but we certainly know that to make up a god is just being dishonest and completely irrational."
If you can learn to think a bit more critically, you are bound to get over this obstacle that's been put before you.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
Only what is finite requires creation. The physical universe with all of its laws, instructions and information requires an inception point and it does not have the intelligence or power to create itself.
The reason you cannot explain it with previous universes is for that reason, you keep needing to postulate a previous one.
At some point the finite universe demands creation and inception of all its intelligent qualities.
Only a none physical eternal consciousness can be responsible.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
I'm not claiming to have a fully provable scientific theory about God existing. However, you ARE claiming that you have found the 100% truth that random chance created everything just cuz. Show me the scientific papers with such a provable theory? can't find one well guess what you operate on faith as well. You believe that random chance created everything. It is belief because you have no fully supported scientific paper to show that is the case. You think attacking believers is proof?
bardoc13 2 years ago
I take issue with the idea that we both operate on faith. That is a fallacy, and I know you're going to disagree with me on this, but hear me out.
Faith is defined as having full and absolute confidence in something, regardless of the existence of evidence to the contrary. In other words, you may have the law of averages against you, up against a giant obstacle, yet with "faith" you STILL think you're gonna win.
I don't live my life that way, sir. I would argue that neither do you. It's...
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
It takes a huge leap of unsubstantiated faith to believe that the order, systems design, purpose intelligence laws that we observe in nature and our own consciousness somehow arose without a higher conscious origin and source.
To believe a flower, a bird, a human and consciousness itself could evolve by accident and chance from some vague non intelligent source is a much greater leap of faith and delusion than to recognize it is clear evidence of a much vaster intelligent creator and being
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Lol but don't you get it that is exactly why you operate on faith. "Faith is defined as having full and absolute confidence in something, regardless of the existence of evidence to the contrary. " There is no complete,fully supported theory that explains how random collisions of particles create life. So you operate on faith by your own definition.
bardoc13 2 years ago
That's funny you take issue when you have no proof for you position that random events created us. After taking into account all the prereqs for life as we know it to exist and even taking into account the billions of planets in the universe the chance for random collisions created life are astronomical and yet you believe in it. "In other words, you may have the law of averages against you, up against a giant obstacle, yet with "faith" you STILL think you're gonna win." Think about it.
bardoc13 2 years ago
Intelligent design is always going to be more statistically favorable. Actually there are no statistics involved in that.If its true it claims that someone created life. An atheist position says the improbable event that random collisions created something more complicated than our most advanced computer chips, RNA or DNA, is the case.Take into account that you need RNA or DNA, PowerSource, and protection all together at once and independently existing and the odds are so high against chance.
bardoc13 2 years ago
The evidence of God is Not Subtle lol - it is very blatant for those who are not brainwashed by excessively materialistic science agendas.
The universe, the order, the laws, the systems the intelligence and formless consciousness, the beauty of a flower, a deer, a bird is not by random accident from some unidentified unintelligent mysterious source.
It is atheists who believe in the magic of some unknown origin - reason and logic points to God the super intelligence at its source
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Remember that God only has directly spoken to a handful of people. Moses, Elija, etc and I'm sure there are very good reasons for that. Also remember that even when Jesus walked on earth not everyone could see him for what he was. All I'm saying is perhaps it is not time and indeed most people wont get a chance to speak to him directly in this lifetime. I'm sure if you continue to ask for it and you move in that direction sooner or later it may happen. But I don't pretend to know the rules
bardoc13 2 years ago
Sure, and if I spend the rest of my life asking for evidence from Allah, Zeus, Vishnu, Ganesh, Thor and Venus I may someday get a reply, but the point is there is no reason to actively pursue any of these gods ("God" of The Bible included). It's really up to the person making the claim that such a god exists to prove it, NOT for the non-believer to prove they DON'T exist.
Again I'd like to give you the opportunity to make your case for how you know the particular god you believe in exists.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
Look I'm not going to get into a debate with you. I have done that before and the result is always the same. I waste my time. If you don't want to believe in God that's your prerogative. Why are you watching this video? You'd like to give me the chance to prove to you my God exists? Because you'd be so receptive to anything I said? Its pointless. I have proof for myself. I don't have scientific proof if that's what you are looking for but I don't claim to operate on anything but faith.
bardoc13 2 years ago
He has proven himself to me. I don't base my beliefs on what you believe. You don't believe in God. Show me a full scientific paper that shows from start to finish without any assumptions or speculation that fully supports the idea that random collisions of certain elements created life. Before you start your research let me save you some time, there is not such a paper. You operate on faith also. You believe randomness created it us for no reason.
bardoc13 2 years ago
"He has proven himself to me." So say the Muslims, so say the Hindus, so say the (etc.) Do you not see how you're playing the same game that every other religion plays? What feels good and right to YOU must be the right way, right? Have you not stopped to realize that people who believe in conflicting gods all make the claims YOU do?
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that some god has proven himself to you. Assuming it's the Christian god, and assuming that all 2 billion of...
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
There is only one God of creation, most religions ignore the one true source or they have many deities which is a deception. There is only One ultimate source of all creation
That creator is super-intelligent all wise, Holy, loving righteous and just He is the pinnacle of awareness and consciousness.
We are but shadows and sparks given life by that one eternal formless consciousness. The Bible proves itself by it's Holiness, objective wisdom and love beyond what man can imagine or invent.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Actually if you research the subject of faith you will find many muslims, buddhists and people from other faiths are being converted by direct supernatural encounters with Jesus and being shown the true nature of God.
Christ was the perfect embodiment of God's Spirit, so to recognize or reject Jesus is the same as rejecting His Father.
Many who were not born into christian cultures are being converted by Him directly. And many in christian cultures are too stubborn and reject him, so......
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Well as Ricky Gervais so aptly put it: "If there IS a God, why did he make me an atheist?"
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
..... it does not hold true that all people who believe in Christ and God were brainwashed into it.
In fact many in christian cultures become stubborn and arrogant and reject God and the Bible, THEY are actually programmed by a materialistic secular culture and education system into skepticism and atheism.
The true cultural programming going on the west is by secular materialism in the media and educations system which brainwashes millions into believing life came from nothing by accident.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
That's quite a god you've got there when humanistic "cultural programming" is all it takes to make it appear he doesn't exist. I would've expected more out of someone so powerful, but I guess we all have our limitations.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
You're gonna run your whole life without asking why? It boils down to this. We both operate on faith. My faith tells me there is meaning to life and that love is the most important thing. Your faith tells you that you are an accident with no meaning. You are scared to die and when you suffer through difficult times you are alone. I'm not scared of death and my faith sees me through the tough times. You chose a faith that gives you no hope. Ill leave you to yours leave me to mine.
bardoc13 2 years ago
I'll respond to your post, line by line.
WRONG; I ask "why?" all the time. How presumptuously rude to suggest I don't ask that question!
YOU operate on faith, I operate on EVIDENCE. You need to figure out the difference!
Your faith allows you to believe whatever feels good without ANY justification or evidence. How dare you suggest that I think of myself as an accident with no meaning. Your "faith" has made you an arrogant, egotistical oaf.
I'm not scared to die, nor am I alone in bad times.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
The intelligent, ordered, miraculous, creation of nature is abundant evidence for the rational and discerning that the universe is not the product of an accident, random mutations nor could it have an unintelligent source.
The natural world and immaterial consciousness itself which is part of Gods Spirit is clear EVIDENCE of God, it is just many are too blinded by materialism alone to recognize the need for that super intelligent none physical source. The Bible reveals this being's nature
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
Respectfully, you've said a lot without really saying anything. Your answer, your "evidence" as you call it, is no different than if I'd asked a Muslim or a Hindu. You've taken the observation of how you see and assess the world, then attached a supernatural deity to explain it all. All religions do that. A Muslim would tell me it's proof of Allah, and the Qu-ran explains His nature. A Hindu would tell me it's proof of Vishnu, and the Bhagavad Gita explains His nature.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
The observable evidence speaks clearly of intelligence, order, design, purpose, function, system, information, language.
When Nasa explores space it looks for some kind of ordered sequence to be able to discern intelligence in other places. The codes, languages, order, systems, patterns, laws and clear intelligence and order in nature let alone the mystery of consciousness is clear irrefutable evidence of a grand intelligent source and author of all.
GoldenLightD 2 years ago
So what "ordered sequence" have you found on earth that is a clear sign that THE GOD OF THE BIBLE is communicating with us? I'm not talking about pretty sunsets or the earth spinning or stars twinkling, I'm talking about solid, irrefutable messages that God Almighty is talking to us.
Did you actually just type "the mystery of consciousness is clear irrefutable evidence of a grand intelligent source and author of all"? In other words, NOT knowing something is proof god exists? REALLY?!?!
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago