Tässä ei lauleta Leningradin suojelemisesta mitään, sen ne keksi kokonaan myöhemmin. Aluevaatimuksiin ei olisi kannattanut suostua koska nehän vain tahtoivat ohittaa siten Mannerheim-linjan, aivan kuin Hitlerkin pääsi tekemään Tsekkoslovakian kanssa: sai Tsekin ja otti Slovakian.
Nyt Suomi Kaunokainen ottaa teijät vastaan - ilman asearsenaalia, ja valehtelette vähemmän. Ja hyvät on halut teillä tullakin Kaunokaista katsomaan ja asumaankin tänne...Kaunis on laulu.
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At many parts, it's more flattering than what we sang about you russians. The part about returning Finland to the finns (2:04 - 2:19, according to the translation) really cracked me up, though.
You are joking! Please tell me which country once occupied by the soviets wasn't happy to be freed after the soviet collaps in 1989? And please tell me what the Swedish point of view i the Middel Ages is relevant to defend the inhuman supression by that Stalin-pigs!
@MrFiatlux2004 It seems your response was directed at Bristow414. No matter, I will humour you. Finland was never occupied by the Soviet Union. However, it was once a province of czarist Russia, which is what Bristow here is talking about.
@velmuvelho Carrying on from where I left off: The part about having been a part of Sweden is not defending Stalin's regime, which Finland was never a part of. He's comparing the days as part of Sweden to the days under the czarist regime. During its time as part of the Czardom, Finland got most of the good things it ever got out of Russia. However, towards the end, Finland fell under much oppression, as per the principle of Russification mentioned by Bristow414.
Absolutely. Mannerheim's line was a masterpiece. Victory with losses 1:20 is not a true victory. Shame that practically no european countries helped Finland. Yes, yes, a bit of vehicles and bullets here and there, but overall - Europe betrayed Finland. Hitler WOULD have helped if he wasn't tied by the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact. If he did - we russians would've probably be screwed up. And everyone who denies that, should have really studied some history beyond what's written in the schoolbooks...
Lyrics in english: Pine stands reach out their curls on cliffes, the narrow border within your range of vision. Welcome us, you beautiful Finland, decorated by bright lakes. Welcome us, you beautiful Finland, decorated by bright lakes. Tanks roll broad gaps to the forest, aeroplanes fly above the clouds. The depressed sun of autumn lights fire to the bayonets. The depressed sun of autumn lights fire to the bayonets.
No longer can any fools or stupid scribblers confuse your heart. You have been deprived of your home country many times, we came to return it to you. You have been deprived of your home country many times, we came to return it to you. We come to help you destroy and pay properly for the shame. Welcome us, you beautiful Finland, decorated by bright lakes. Welcome us, you beautiful Finland, decorated by bright lakes.
Don't worry, the actual numbers are way lower than that. What matters in the end, it was worth the effort, as WW2 showed soon after. The time always tells what is right and what is wrong.
For IF it was not done, the nazi could defeat USSR (by taking Leningrad and diverting the Northern group to the Moskow and so forth). Then it would be Britain and US. Guess who's next? Right, the would-be allies. So in fact it was the effort even for Finland.
I really dont believe that Nazi-Germany would have even attempted to conquer U.S. And i really dont think that Germans would have attacked Finland. What is the point in slaughtering some Finns after the war has ended?
In fact after GB's defeat it would be a stalemate with US for some time. But with USSR's resources and GB's shipyards.... it wouldn't last for long.
As for "point" in slaughter -- it's the same as in slaughtering jews or soviet people: the national purity. One race is the dominant, the others are either extinct or enslaved. And finns were NOT to become part of a dominant one. The math is simple...
GB's defeat.. when did that happen? No, it didn't. Battle for Britain was fought before USSR had fought with Germans at all. And, seeing how eg. baltian people have been treated in their own countries under USSR occupation, it is not so certain that fighting Adolf's occupation would've been worse. Math is simple, but history isn't - it itself is uncertain, full of interpretations and bias, and "if's" are lucky guesses at most.
It did NOT happen. USSR successfully withstood nazi onslaught, so the 2nd chance for the Germany never came. BUT if Leningrad has fallen, everything could change.
As for the "bad treatment" of the baltic people -- it would do good not to read populist "histericans" who'll write anything to support the current political cource of those countries. When germans wanted a genocide, they DID genocide. There are anough samples.
@ShadeAKAhayate well, after few fiascos involving the troops of Germany's allies being annihilated and/or losing their morale and retreating, exposing the flanks of the neighboring german units, I'd say germans would have been less than smart to even think about turning against the one ally that was able to hold it's own against the Red Army without much help in terms of personnel. At least not before taking time to recover from the losses from the Russia campaign.
Without attacking in '39, USSR would've had 125k dead and 265k wounded more to throw at Germans. And they couldn't take Leningrad, so it would've been even less so with those troops added (a small difference, but difference anyhow.) Finland would have at least hesitated a lot to join the war if Karelia wouldn't have been captured - so, without it, USSR could have slain Germans quicker. So it was a mistake.
Under Moskow all was decided by the Eastern troops who arrived just in time from the eastern border. Those 300K would just be surrounded at the border, just like most of those were.
And Finland not helping Germany... that was NOT gonna happen with pro-nazi regime of that time. So Leningrad WOULD fall if they could take it with one decisive strike. And the arrivibg North group is the least USSR needed at Moskow.
Pope actually ordered Sweden to "go help 'Jemi' people" (Jäämit, old name for todays "Hämäläiset") to fight Novgorod, Swedes came to Finland to "protect" catholics in Western part of Finland, and then at some point started to rule us.
Neither Sweden nor Russia have ever occupied Finland as such a country did not exist at that time. Russia did occupy an area of Sweden that during the Russian occupation became the autonomic area and 1917 the independent country of Finland.
When "the area of Finland" became a part of Sweden it was a part of the conflicting eastern and western christian churches expanding their areas of intrest into non-christian tribal areas were there were no "country" like Sweden or Novgorod.
Etelä-Karjala (Karjalan kannas/Viipurin alue) oli hämäläisten ja Ruotsin alueen heimojen asuttama. Tuo tausta huomioiden heillä ei varmaankaan ollut juuri mitään Ruotsin kuningaskunnan muodostumista vastaan. Varsinkin kun Karjalan kannas toimi etuvartiona Novgorodia vastaan. Se yhdistyneen Ruotsin Kuningaskunnan armeija oli hyvä selkänoja Novgorodin armeijaa vastaan. Viipurin paikalla oli jo ennen virallista perustamista Etelä-Karjalan linnoitus Novgorodia Vastaan.
..joka ei edelleenkään tee täyttä antautumista mitenkään loogiseksi. Jos homma olisi lähtenyt vapaasta yhteistyöstä ja liittoutumistarpeesta, olisi syntynyt tasavertainen valtioliitto. Sen sijaan syntyi hallitseva osapuoli.
Mikä valtioliitto? Suomen alue oli paikallisten heimoruhtinaiden hallitsema alue aivan samoin kuten Ruotsinkin alue. Se ensimmäinen todellinen valtio, joka muodostui, oli Ruotsin kuningaskunta, joka oli feodaalivaltio. Kansallisvaltiot, kuten tunnemme ne nykyään, ovat 1800-luvun kansallisuusaatteen luomuksia. On totta, että Tukholman keskushallinnon ote Suomesta aikoinaan sitten voimistui, mutta kyseessä oli yleinen kehitys Euroopassa. Se ei ollut keskiajan feodaaliyhteiskunnan asia.
Sinä taidat tykätä saivartelemisesta. Paremman sanan puuttessa valtioliitto tarkoittaisi tasaveroista yhteiseloa- ja työtä, ei alisteista ja hallitsevaa osapuolta.
Ja edelleenkään 1800-luvun kansallisaatteet eivät itsessään luoneet valtiota. Ne jo itsessään syntyivät olemassa olevasta kansallisuuden tunteesta.
Nyt ei puhuttu Ruotsin tai Euroopan myöhemmistä vaiheista vaan tapahtumien luonteesta "Ruotsin" imaistessa "Suomen" itseensä.
Suomen mahtisuvut olivat kutakuinkin tasavertaisia Ruotsin Kuningaskunnan hallinnossa ruotsalaisten kanssa alkuun. Kustaa Wasan poikien keskinäisten kähinöiden jälkeen tilanne alkoi muuttua ja suomalaisyntyinen aatelisto menettää asemiaan suhteellisesti. Eräs syy oli myös se, että Ruotsin Kuningaskunta aloitti laajenemissotansa ja kasvoi Imperiumiksi, joka hallitsi Itämerta. Suomen suhteellinen painoarvo pieneni ja hallintoon tuotiin aatelistoa muualtakin Keski-Euroopasta.
Eli kun Suomen merkitys kuningaskunnan laajentajana alkoi käydä Ruotsille epäedullisemmaksi, alettiin alisteista osapuolta työntää syvemmälle.
Ja tämän(kin) tarkoitus on todistaa Ruotsin hyväntahtoisuutta valloittajana verrattuna Venäjään millä tavalla? Tuo vain kiteyttää yhä paremmin Ruotsin parasiittista luonnetta.
Suomi ei ollut alisteinen osapuoli, eikä Suomea työnnetty yhtään mihinkään. Suomalaiset olivat tyytyväisiä tavallisia "sveamamman" kansalaisia, jotka olivat yhä suuremmassa määrin huolestuneita Venäjän voimistumisesta Pultavan 1709 jälkeisen vuosisadan aikana. Ruotsin Imperiumin sotilaallinen romahdus, sotilasmahdin hiipuminen, suoranainen poliittinen ja sotilaallinen rappio sekä Venäjän murtautuminen Itämerelle olivat huolestuttavia asioita suomalaisten kannalta.
Menet yhä syvemmälle nykyhistoriaan. Sitä mukaa kun esitetään väitteitä Ruotsi-Suomen suhteesta, vastaat vain uusilla, yhä etenevimmässä määrin ajallisesti tuoreemmilla knoppitiedoilla (joiden tarkoitus on tukea sveakeskeistä historiantulkintaa).
Edelleen: totta vitussa Venäjän vahvistuminen mainitsemassasi tilassa oli uhka suomalaisille. Ihan yhtä lailla sama tilanne olisi ollut minkä tahansa suuren naapurimaan ollessa kyseessä samassa valiitsevassa tilanteessa.
Antautuminen? Sä et nyt tajua feodaaliyhteiskunnan luonnetta. Paikalliset suomalaiset mahtisuvut säilyttivät asemansa ja maansa. Kuningas nyt sattui omistamaan sen hallintolinnansa alueella, joka on nykyisin Ruotsin puolella, mutta ihan samalla tavalla ne Ruotsin alueen mahtisuvut oli sen alamaisia samanlaisin oikeuksin. Itse asiassa kuninkaan valta ei ollut kovin vahva, vaan paikalliset mahtisuvut hallitsivat aika suvereenisti maitaan satoja vuosia. Keskusvalta oli aika heikko.
Nyt se meneekin sitten näin päin. Sitten taas kun puhutaan vaikka Ruotsi-Suomen imperialistista pyrkimyksistä tai Suomen lainsäädännöllisen hallinnon luomisesta, Ruotsi on mitä enimmässä määrin vallassa ja teki ratkaisevat päätökset. Verrattavissa tuohon "Venäjä valtasi väkivalloin, Ruotsi tuli kukat käsissä ja Suomi hyväksyi" -väitteeseen.
Ja oli Ruotsi vahvasti itsehallinnollinen tai ei, Ruotsin oligarkia hallitsi.
Viikinkiaika oli päättymässä ja paikallisten heimoruhtinaiden hallitsemat alueet alkoivat yhdistyä suuremmiksi kuningaskunniksi. Sen Varjagialueen pohjalta syntyi Ruotsin Kuningaskunta, Suomen alue muodosti miltei puolet sen keskeisestä maa-alueesta. Turku oli pitkään Ruotsin toiseksi suurin kaupunki ja Viipuri oli myös tärkeä vauras kauppakaupunki ja linnoitus Novgorodia/Venäjää vastaan. Varjagit muuten perusti Novgorodin/Venäjän. Rurikin dynastia tuli Skandinaviasta.
Ongelmat alkoi Pultavan katastrofaalisesta tappiosta, kun miltei koko Ruotsin Imperiumin armeija tuhottiin. Tosin Venäjän olosuhteet ja poltetun maan taktiikka tuhosi puolet armeijasta ennen Pultavaa. Sitten isoviha, Viipurin menetys ja katastrofaalinen Hattujen sota sekä pikkuviha alkoi viedä Suomen alueen asukkaiden uskon Ruotsin kykyyn puolustaa Suomen aluetta Venäjää vastaan. Venäjä lupaili itsehallintoa ja alkoi 1809 jälkeen maksaa parempaa palkkaa virkamiehille kuin Ruotsi.
Autonomia saatiin Suomeen vain sen takia, että Venäjä halusi estää Suomea heti yrittämästä liittyä takaisin Ruotsiin jonkun sodan aikana. Venäjä suosi Suomen kieltä, koska se halusi etäänyttää Suomen aluetta entisestä emämaasta Ruotsista. Venäjän politiikka alkoi muuttua 1800-luvun lopulla ja 1900-luvun alussa, jolloin Suomi alkoi ajautua täyteen konfliktiin Venäjän kanssa, joka yritti kaventaa autonomiaa. Uusi tuki löytyi Saksasta, kun Ruotsin sotilasmahti oli mennyttä.
It was not any kind of occupation. Finland area joined to the Kingdom of Sweden quite voluntarily when the Kingdom of Sweden borned. The reason was the tread of Novgorod. Novgorod was a thread for Finland area tribes as well as for Sweden area tribes. Those crusade fairy tales were only chatolic church´s propaganda, written afterwards. There was never conguest of Finland. Sweden and Finland area under one king´s rule was a strong force against Novgorod and Russia.
The key word is 19th century´s nationalism. There was not Finnland as nation, only East Sweden. But the finnish nation was created. It was a poroject of Finland areas intelligentsia. Finnish cultural identity was created. Before it Finland´s culture was same as Sweden´s culture. Tools were school system, education, language and culture policy etc things. Intelligentsia in Finland (swedish speaking, by the way) wanted to create nation and long term dream was indenpendent Finland.
Сорок лет спустя, в припеве знаменитой финской песни военных лет рефреном повторялась фраза: "Нет, Молотов, нет, Молотов! Ты врешь даже больше, чем Бобриков..." Солонин М.С. 25 Июня. Глупость или агрессия?-М.: Яуза, Эксмо, 2008г.
Nationalism as we know it today is a creation of 19th century. For example Nothern Sweden today is populated by Finland area origin people. Southern Sweden today was before northern Denmark for many hundred years. The size and form of the Kingdom of Sweden was before in history totally different than today. Essential parts of the Sweden were the Stockholm and wide Swedish areas around it, middle Sweden and South West Finland, Tavastland, South Finland and South East Finland (South-Karelia).
Ei se niin kumma ole. Venäläisille sotilaillehan uskoteltiin, että suomalaiset työläiset ottaisivat heidän tervehtien vastaan, vapauttamaan kapitalismista.
Tässä biisissä julistetaan juuri sitä, kuinka kapitalismi on "riistänyt" Suomen kansaa, ja kuinka venäläiset nyt palattavat Suomen - sosialisteille ja kommunisteille!
Swedes considered Finns as subhumans, which Russians never did.
Russians even declared Finnish as official language of Finland.
Of course it wasn't all just fun and games.
During the last decades of Finland's autonomy, Finland was under Russification. Some fundamentalist-Russians tried to take Finland's autonomy away, or at least limit it heavily.
Still, Finns had much secured lifes under Russia's rule than Sweden.
Unfortunately, people always seemed to forget that
@Bristow414 Swedes also allowed Finns to learn Finnish. Swedes didn't want to turn Finns into Swedes. Russians also treated Finns as "lower race" and they tried to turn Finns into Russians.
@Bristow414 Subhuman is in your trousers. Seems like you russkies like that kind of propaganda. When our army lost in Poltava the psychopath russkie tsar Peter I sent cossacs to destroy everything in Finland. That was called the Grear Wrath (Iso-Viha) and thats the worst part of our history. Russia was not a solution to problems it was the the problem.
If you love communist rule. You can move to North-Korea.
I don´t hate russians, but they have never thought our benefit. Ridiculous.
@PohjolaNorden Im not "russkie", thus there's propaganda in your head. No benefits? So if autonomy, own currency, taxes only for Finland's use, freedom of living, finnish as official language of Finland, the abandon of death penalty and corporal punishments, own separated army, aren't beneftis, then I don't know what are.
Russia is capitalist country, thus, you are living in the past. And don't forget that Russia is 1 # trade partner for Finland. Good to keep this in mind.
@Bristow414 It was you who is trying to push negative attitudes here against Sweden. It seems that you don´t understand much about old Sweden and you are pushing your shit here.
"freedom of living" ment that occupying rus don´t butcher anyone anymore here. There is clear political reasons, why Finland got the autonomy: It was cheap and no revolts in the time when Alex I had to watch Napo. And this song in the vid was planned to have it´s expression in occupied Helsinki originally in1939.
@PohjolaNorden Swedes humiliated Finns for hundreds of years and considered them as sub-humans. Russians never did that. Otherwise they would have kept Finns as shitty conditions as Swedes did. Yes, there was political reasons. So what? Has there ever been decisions made without political reasons? I doubt that. Better good things, with political reasons, than NO GOOD THINGS AT ALL!
And you are continually switching between Russia and USSR even thought these are 2 different countries. Not wise
@Bristow414 Where did you get that. Sweden proper had four parts in past times Svealand, Finland, Geatland and Norrland. Those parts had all same laws everywhere. Other areas like Skåne or Halland in nowdays South-Sweden were understood as occupied territories and had harder taxasation etc.
Your thinking lacks understanding that there was not any nation of Finns at all those days. And whole Sweden was in very bad situation After the Great Northern War. Specially Finland, because of cossacs.
@PohjolaNorden Yes, there wasnt any "nation of Finns", but there were still Finns.
Same laws? It doesnt matter if Finns are the only ones who were treated like garbage. The fact is, that under Russian rule, Finns received privileges, that they could only dream of under the rule of Sweden.
@Bristow414 And how were ordinary people treated better in Geatland or Svealand than in Finland? As I said the areas which were so called occupied territories had the hardest burden like Halland and Skåne. Tell me the historian, who shows anything else. the King of Svea won the Geats (in nowdays Swedish hartland) and then the Finns, Tavastians and Karelians were annexed to the Kingdom. Those areas were understood as Sweden proper. The nowdays map doesn´t tell the situation then.
@Bristow414 Ít´s easy to show for example with center-periphery -model, how badly nowdays situation with nation borders understood through ultra-nationalistic sunglasses fits to the real situation in "old-Sweden". Te core areas of Stockholm centered country were a long time Stockholm Uppsala and Turku and surrounding areas. Those were the cities with universities. Then there were semi- periphery the coastal areas of the country. And Periphery mostly Karelia, Norrland etc. places.
@Bristow414 Finland has fought against Russia, only under Sweden's domination. What always amuses me, is that even though Finland was enslaved for 100 years by Russia we are still an older country than they are :)
we all are humans, we all are brothers! Suomi or Soviet - I do not care! If I meet a man in the snow again who is about to die, I do not care - Russian, Suomi, Norge, Australia etc.... PLEASE people understand WE ALL ARE BROTHERS, nationality dos not marter! I am Russian, lots of love to you all- Norge, Suomi, Polish, Bulgaria, Sebs, German, Austria, UK, Czech, Slovak, etc.... please, make peace!
we all are humans, we all are brothers! Suomi or Soviet - I do not care! If I meet a man in the snow again who is about to die, I do not care - Russian, Suomi, Norge, Australia etc.... PLEASE people understand WE ALL ARE BROTHERS, nationality dos not marter! I am Russian, lots of love to you all- Norge, Suomi, Polish, Bulgaria, Sebs, German, Austria, UK, Czech, Slovak, etc.... please, make peace!
Kiitoksia tästä puna-armeijan laulusta, olen tätä jo vähän etsinytkin. Paksusta neuvostoretorisesta viestistä huolimatta tämä on aina mielestäni ollut jotenkin kauniin surumielinen marssilaulu.
...although they should have liked it :D
HeroLalli 3 weeks ago
7 Red Army traitors didn't like this video.
HeroLalli 3 weeks ago
Finland 1 Russian 0 HaHa.
Kanu666 1 month ago
200m all skills
MrSlawzy 3 months ago
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natte579 5 months ago
Ora meida:t vastaan, US-kaunotar.
IgorKnyaz 1 year ago
eikös dosenttibäkmanni kommentoi mitenkään???
alpota 1 year ago
Looks like the Finnish Maiden said resounding NJET!!! to uninvited suitors, lol.
JA, you're absolutely positively definitely spot on!!
obuBBubo 1 year ago 2
@mt451 Niin oli minunkin, ja sille tielle jäi...
pansarballe 1 year ago
Tässä ei lauleta Leningradin suojelemisesta mitään, sen ne keksi kokonaan myöhemmin. Aluevaatimuksiin ei olisi kannattanut suostua koska nehän vain tahtoivat ohittaa siten Mannerheim-linjan, aivan kuin Hitlerkin pääsi tekemään Tsekkoslovakian kanssa: sai Tsekin ja otti Slovakian.
JapaninArmeija 1 year ago
@mt451
LOL? miks ihmeessä "LOL" jos isoisäsi oli mukana "vastaanotolla"?
perisynti 1 year ago
"Ota meidät vastaan, Suomi-Kaunotar!"
EMME HELVETISSÄ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zagge124 1 year ago 8
Father of my grandfather welcomed red army. He was not beautiful but rather good to use rifle.
tafaistr 1 year ago 5
Käsitämättömän makaaberia ja absurdia!
EetwarttiRommipullo 1 year ago 5
@mt451 Miun isä otti vastaan oman kivinavetan nurkalta...
MsSuomipoika 1 year ago
Nyt Suomi Kaunokainen ottaa teijät vastaan - ilman asearsenaalia, ja valehtelette vähemmän. Ja hyvät on halut teillä tullakin Kaunokaista katsomaan ja asumaankin tänne...Kaunis on laulu.
MsSuomipoika 1 year ago
Nii joo siis , kommentoimpahan vaan että hyvin, hyvin kaunis laulu tämä ainakin on. Oli se sitten neukkujen tekemä vai ei.
Tonzai2002 1 year ago 3
@Tonzai2002 Kyll ne on laului osanneet tehhä aina...
MsSuomipoika 1 year ago
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tämä kommenttiketju: 14-vuotiaita kiihkonationalisteja suunnattoman vimman ja nuoruuden uhon vallassa kertomassa maailmalle tosiasioita asioista joihin eivät koskaan edes olleet itse osallisia.
peeeveli 1 year ago
Noh. kerroppas sinun tavoitteesi sitten?
Tonzai2002 1 year ago
Tämä ei tainnut olla kummelista ;)
No luulin kuitenkin...
hopsista321 1 year ago 7
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jonttelahti 2 years ago
At many parts, it's more flattering than what we sang about you russians. The part about returning Finland to the finns (2:04 - 2:19, according to the translation) really cracked me up, though.
velmuvelho 2 years ago 19
@velmuvelho
You are joking! Please tell me which country once occupied by the soviets wasn't happy to be freed after the soviet collaps in 1989? And please tell me what the Swedish point of view i the Middel Ages is relevant to defend the inhuman supression by that Stalin-pigs!
MrFiatlux2004 7 months ago
@MrFiatlux2004 It seems your response was directed at Bristow414. No matter, I will humour you. Finland was never occupied by the Soviet Union. However, it was once a province of czarist Russia, which is what Bristow here is talking about.
velmuvelho 6 months ago
@velmuvelho Carrying on from where I left off: The part about having been a part of Sweden is not defending Stalin's regime, which Finland was never a part of. He's comparing the days as part of Sweden to the days under the czarist regime. During its time as part of the Czardom, Finland got most of the good things it ever got out of Russia. However, towards the end, Finland fell under much oppression, as per the principle of Russification mentioned by Bristow414.
velmuvelho 6 months ago
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znakuzhasa 2 years ago
Sto ti gavarit?
mt451 2 years ago
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ChatlaninUef 2 years ago
Absolutely. Mannerheim's line was a masterpiece. Victory with losses 1:20 is not a true victory. Shame that practically no european countries helped Finland. Yes, yes, a bit of vehicles and bullets here and there, but overall - Europe betrayed Finland. Hitler WOULD have helped if he wasn't tied by the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact. If he did - we russians would've probably be screwed up. And everyone who denies that, should have really studied some history beyond what's written in the schoolbooks...
Akhaggar 2 years ago 14
@Akhaggar "The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
-Thucydides
velmuvelho 2 years ago
Great to see such a people like you. And actually, It would make life easier for both us if Finland gets back Karelia... but who am I to say...
finnfellow 2 years ago 2
Sure. Read the "Mein Kampf" to see WHO was to be left to dominate. ALL the rest were doomed.
ShadeAKAhayate 2 years ago
Сколько замечательных песен написали эти братья Покрасс!
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We have been brothers with victories.
And once again we carry our reputation of the red star
in battles on the roads that our grandfathers have gone,
our reputation of the red star
in battles on the roads that our grandfathers have gone.
There have been a lot of lies in these times
to swindle the Finnish people.
Trust in us and open both sides of your broad gate for us,
trust in us and open both sides of your broad gate for us.
dippercipper 2 years ago
dippercipper 2 years ago 2
youhuhu вы от части правы - план максимум не удался, Финляндия не вошла в состав СССР.
Но официально заявленных целей СССР достиг.
Гений Маннергейма как военного, политика и дипломата позвол отстоять независимость Финляндии, в ходе WW2.
rolik69i9 2 years ago
Дорого заплатил СССР за эту войну, но целей своих достиг.
rolik69i9 2 years ago
Good song! :) "Accep us, beautiful Suomi" This russian singer sing very good :) It's our singer )))))))))))
BalashovM 2 years ago
Don't worry, the actual numbers are way lower than that. What matters in the end, it was worth the effort, as WW2 showed soon after. The time always tells what is right and what is wrong.
ShadeAKAhayate 2 years ago
Worth the effort of attacking a small country and killing own people in masses? What for? For proving that people, when threatened, might fight back?
hotelvictor 2 years ago
For IF it was not done, the nazi could defeat USSR (by taking Leningrad and diverting the Northern group to the Moskow and so forth). Then it would be Britain and US. Guess who's next? Right, the would-be allies. So in fact it was the effort even for Finland.
ShadeAKAhayate 2 years ago
I really dont believe that Nazi-Germany would have even attempted to conquer U.S. And i really dont think that Germans would have attacked Finland. What is the point in slaughtering some Finns after the war has ended?
pedarikarhu 2 years ago
In fact after GB's defeat it would be a stalemate with US for some time. But with USSR's resources and GB's shipyards.... it wouldn't last for long.
As for "point" in slaughter -- it's the same as in slaughtering jews or soviet people: the national purity. One race is the dominant, the others are either extinct or enslaved. And finns were NOT to become part of a dominant one. The math is simple...
ShadeAKAhayate 2 years ago
GB's defeat.. when did that happen? No, it didn't. Battle for Britain was fought before USSR had fought with Germans at all. And, seeing how eg. baltian people have been treated in their own countries under USSR occupation, it is not so certain that fighting Adolf's occupation would've been worse. Math is simple, but history isn't - it itself is uncertain, full of interpretations and bias, and "if's" are lucky guesses at most.
hotelvictor 2 years ago
It did NOT happen. USSR successfully withstood nazi onslaught, so the 2nd chance for the Germany never came. BUT if Leningrad has fallen, everything could change.
As for the "bad treatment" of the baltic people -- it would do good not to read populist "histericans" who'll write anything to support the current political cource of those countries. When germans wanted a genocide, they DID genocide. There are anough samples.
ShadeAKAhayate 2 years ago
@ShadeAKAhayate well, after few fiascos involving the troops of Germany's allies being annihilated and/or losing their morale and retreating, exposing the flanks of the neighboring german units, I'd say germans would have been less than smart to even think about turning against the one ally that was able to hold it's own against the Red Army without much help in terms of personnel. At least not before taking time to recover from the losses from the Russia campaign.
dimapez 2 months ago
Without attacking in '39, USSR would've had 125k dead and 265k wounded more to throw at Germans. And they couldn't take Leningrad, so it would've been even less so with those troops added (a small difference, but difference anyhow.) Finland would have at least hesitated a lot to join the war if Karelia wouldn't have been captured - so, without it, USSR could have slain Germans quicker. So it was a mistake.
hotelvictor 2 years ago
Under Moskow all was decided by the Eastern troops who arrived just in time from the eastern border. Those 300K would just be surrounded at the border, just like most of those were.
And Finland not helping Germany... that was NOT gonna happen with pro-nazi regime of that time. So Leningrad WOULD fall if they could take it with one decisive strike. And the arrivibg North group is the least USSR needed at Moskow.
ShadeAKAhayate 2 years ago 2
I mean "arriving" and "the last thing" of cource.
ShadeAKAhayate 2 years ago
These lyrics are full of humor :)
poeroze 2 years ago 3
Pope actually ordered Sweden to "go help 'Jemi' people" (Jäämit, old name for todays "Hämäläiset") to fight Novgorod, Swedes came to Finland to "protect" catholics in Western part of Finland, and then at some point started to rule us.
dimapez 2 years ago
Yay. So they came to uphold their religious hegemony and ended up ruling us. That sounds way fluffier and more peaceful.
Aivottaja 2 years ago 2
Сосняком по откосам кудрявится
Пограничный скупой кругозор.
Принимай нас, Суоми - красавица,
В ожерелье прозрачных озёр!
Ломят танки широкие просеки,
Самолёты кружат в облаках,
Невысокое солнышко осени
Зажигает огни на штыках.
DarkRus56 2 years ago
Мы привыкли брататься с победами
И опять мы проносим в бою
По дорогам, исхоженным дедами,
Краснозвёздную славу свою.
Много лжи в эти годы наверчено,
Чтоб запутать финляндский народ.
Раскрывайте ж теперь нам доверчиво
Половинки широких ворот!
DarkRus56 2 years ago
Ни шутам, ни писакам юродивым
Больше ваших сердец не смутить.
Отнимали не раз вашу родину -
Мы приходим её возвратить.
Мы приходим помочь вам расправиться,
Расплатиться с лихвой за позор.
Принимай нас, Суоми - красавица ,
В ожерелье прозрачных озёр!
DarkRus56 2 years ago
Neither Sweden nor Russia have ever occupied Finland as such a country did not exist at that time. Russia did occupy an area of Sweden that during the Russian occupation became the autonomic area and 1917 the independent country of Finland.
When "the area of Finland" became a part of Sweden it was a part of the conflicting eastern and western christian churches expanding their areas of intrest into non-christian tribal areas were there were no "country" like Sweden or Novgorod.
KpA31234 2 years ago
Etelä-Karjala (Karjalan kannas/Viipurin alue) oli hämäläisten ja Ruotsin alueen heimojen asuttama. Tuo tausta huomioiden heillä ei varmaankaan ollut juuri mitään Ruotsin kuningaskunnan muodostumista vastaan. Varsinkin kun Karjalan kannas toimi etuvartiona Novgorodia vastaan. Se yhdistyneen Ruotsin Kuningaskunnan armeija oli hyvä selkänoja Novgorodin armeijaa vastaan. Viipurin paikalla oli jo ennen virallista perustamista Etelä-Karjalan linnoitus Novgorodia Vastaan.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
..joka ei edelleenkään tee täyttä antautumista mitenkään loogiseksi. Jos homma olisi lähtenyt vapaasta yhteistyöstä ja liittoutumistarpeesta, olisi syntynyt tasavertainen valtioliitto. Sen sijaan syntyi hallitseva osapuoli.
Aivottaja 2 years ago 4
Mikä valtioliitto? Suomen alue oli paikallisten heimoruhtinaiden hallitsema alue aivan samoin kuten Ruotsinkin alue. Se ensimmäinen todellinen valtio, joka muodostui, oli Ruotsin kuningaskunta, joka oli feodaalivaltio. Kansallisvaltiot, kuten tunnemme ne nykyään, ovat 1800-luvun kansallisuusaatteen luomuksia. On totta, että Tukholman keskushallinnon ote Suomesta aikoinaan sitten voimistui, mutta kyseessä oli yleinen kehitys Euroopassa. Se ei ollut keskiajan feodaaliyhteiskunnan asia.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Sinä taidat tykätä saivartelemisesta. Paremman sanan puuttessa valtioliitto tarkoittaisi tasaveroista yhteiseloa- ja työtä, ei alisteista ja hallitsevaa osapuolta.
Ja edelleenkään 1800-luvun kansallisaatteet eivät itsessään luoneet valtiota. Ne jo itsessään syntyivät olemassa olevasta kansallisuuden tunteesta.
Nyt ei puhuttu Ruotsin tai Euroopan myöhemmistä vaiheista vaan tapahtumien luonteesta "Ruotsin" imaistessa "Suomen" itseensä.
Aivottaja 2 years ago 3
Suomen mahtisuvut olivat kutakuinkin tasavertaisia Ruotsin Kuningaskunnan hallinnossa ruotsalaisten kanssa alkuun. Kustaa Wasan poikien keskinäisten kähinöiden jälkeen tilanne alkoi muuttua ja suomalaisyntyinen aatelisto menettää asemiaan suhteellisesti. Eräs syy oli myös se, että Ruotsin Kuningaskunta aloitti laajenemissotansa ja kasvoi Imperiumiksi, joka hallitsi Itämerta. Suomen suhteellinen painoarvo pieneni ja hallintoon tuotiin aatelistoa muualtakin Keski-Euroopasta.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Eli kun Suomen merkitys kuningaskunnan laajentajana alkoi käydä Ruotsille epäedullisemmaksi, alettiin alisteista osapuolta työntää syvemmälle.
Ja tämän(kin) tarkoitus on todistaa Ruotsin hyväntahtoisuutta valloittajana verrattuna Venäjään millä tavalla? Tuo vain kiteyttää yhä paremmin Ruotsin parasiittista luonnetta.
Aivottaja 2 years ago
Aivottaja
Suomi ei ollut alisteinen osapuoli, eikä Suomea työnnetty yhtään mihinkään. Suomalaiset olivat tyytyväisiä tavallisia "sveamamman" kansalaisia, jotka olivat yhä suuremmassa määrin huolestuneita Venäjän voimistumisesta Pultavan 1709 jälkeisen vuosisadan aikana. Ruotsin Imperiumin sotilaallinen romahdus, sotilasmahdin hiipuminen, suoranainen poliittinen ja sotilaallinen rappio sekä Venäjän murtautuminen Itämerelle olivat huolestuttavia asioita suomalaisten kannalta.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Menet yhä syvemmälle nykyhistoriaan. Sitä mukaa kun esitetään väitteitä Ruotsi-Suomen suhteesta, vastaat vain uusilla, yhä etenevimmässä määrin ajallisesti tuoreemmilla knoppitiedoilla (joiden tarkoitus on tukea sveakeskeistä historiantulkintaa).
Edelleen: totta vitussa Venäjän vahvistuminen mainitsemassasi tilassa oli uhka suomalaisille. Ihan yhtä lailla sama tilanne olisi ollut minkä tahansa suuren naapurimaan ollessa kyseessä samassa valiitsevassa tilanteessa.
Aivottaja 2 years ago 3
Antautuminen? Sä et nyt tajua feodaaliyhteiskunnan luonnetta. Paikalliset suomalaiset mahtisuvut säilyttivät asemansa ja maansa. Kuningas nyt sattui omistamaan sen hallintolinnansa alueella, joka on nykyisin Ruotsin puolella, mutta ihan samalla tavalla ne Ruotsin alueen mahtisuvut oli sen alamaisia samanlaisin oikeuksin. Itse asiassa kuninkaan valta ei ollut kovin vahva, vaan paikalliset mahtisuvut hallitsivat aika suvereenisti maitaan satoja vuosia. Keskusvalta oli aika heikko.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Nyt se meneekin sitten näin päin. Sitten taas kun puhutaan vaikka Ruotsi-Suomen imperialistista pyrkimyksistä tai Suomen lainsäädännöllisen hallinnon luomisesta, Ruotsi on mitä enimmässä määrin vallassa ja teki ratkaisevat päätökset. Verrattavissa tuohon "Venäjä valtasi väkivalloin, Ruotsi tuli kukat käsissä ja Suomi hyväksyi" -väitteeseen.
Ja oli Ruotsi vahvasti itsehallinnollinen tai ei, Ruotsin oligarkia hallitsi.
Aivottaja 2 years ago 4
Viikinkiaika oli päättymässä ja paikallisten heimoruhtinaiden hallitsemat alueet alkoivat yhdistyä suuremmiksi kuningaskunniksi. Sen Varjagialueen pohjalta syntyi Ruotsin Kuningaskunta, Suomen alue muodosti miltei puolet sen keskeisestä maa-alueesta. Turku oli pitkään Ruotsin toiseksi suurin kaupunki ja Viipuri oli myös tärkeä vauras kauppakaupunki ja linnoitus Novgorodia/Venäjää vastaan. Varjagit muuten perusti Novgorodin/Venäjän. Rurikin dynastia tuli Skandinaviasta.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Ongelmat alkoi Pultavan katastrofaalisesta tappiosta, kun miltei koko Ruotsin Imperiumin armeija tuhottiin. Tosin Venäjän olosuhteet ja poltetun maan taktiikka tuhosi puolet armeijasta ennen Pultavaa. Sitten isoviha, Viipurin menetys ja katastrofaalinen Hattujen sota sekä pikkuviha alkoi viedä Suomen alueen asukkaiden uskon Ruotsin kykyyn puolustaa Suomen aluetta Venäjää vastaan. Venäjä lupaili itsehallintoa ja alkoi 1809 jälkeen maksaa parempaa palkkaa virkamiehille kuin Ruotsi.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Autonomia saatiin Suomeen vain sen takia, että Venäjä halusi estää Suomea heti yrittämästä liittyä takaisin Ruotsiin jonkun sodan aikana. Venäjä suosi Suomen kieltä, koska se halusi etäänyttää Suomen aluetta entisestä emämaasta Ruotsista. Venäjän politiikka alkoi muuttua 1800-luvun lopulla ja 1900-luvun alussa, jolloin Suomi alkoi ajautua täyteen konfliktiin Venäjän kanssa, joka yritti kaventaa autonomiaa. Uusi tuki löytyi Saksasta, kun Ruotsin sotilasmahti oli mennyttä.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
It was not any kind of occupation. Finland area joined to the Kingdom of Sweden quite voluntarily when the Kingdom of Sweden borned. The reason was the tread of Novgorod. Novgorod was a thread for Finland area tribes as well as for Sweden area tribes. Those crusade fairy tales were only chatolic church´s propaganda, written afterwards. There was never conguest of Finland. Sweden and Finland area under one king´s rule was a strong force against Novgorod and Russia.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Aivottaja
The key word is 19th century´s nationalism. There was not Finnland as nation, only East Sweden. But the finnish nation was created. It was a poroject of Finland areas intelligentsia. Finnish cultural identity was created. Before it Finland´s culture was same as Sweden´s culture. Tools were school system, education, language and culture policy etc things. Intelligentsia in Finland (swedish speaking, by the way) wanted to create nation and long term dream was indenpendent Finland.
GBOY69GAY 2 years ago
Сорок лет спустя, в припеве знаменитой финской песни военных лет рефреном повторялась фраза: "Нет, Молотов, нет, Молотов! Ты врешь даже больше, чем Бобриков..." Солонин М.С. 25 Июня. Глупость или агрессия?-М.: Яуза, Эксмо, 2008г.
Прочитайте. Получите удовольствие!
OldOwl57 2 years ago
Хе-хе...
DarkRus56 2 years ago
59 лет назад закончилась Советско-Финская война
panzermehaniker 2 years ago
kitas
russia and suomi frehdship
borment1 3 years ago 10
Nationalism as we know it today is a creation of 19th century. For example Nothern Sweden today is populated by Finland area origin people. Southern Sweden today was before northern Denmark for many hundred years. The size and form of the Kingdom of Sweden was before in history totally different than today. Essential parts of the Sweden were the Stockholm and wide Swedish areas around it, middle Sweden and South West Finland, Tavastland, South Finland and South East Finland (South-Karelia).
GBOY69GAY 3 years ago
☭ha ha, nice video man x3☭
OzyJustinLlewellyn 3 years ago
Ei se niin kumma ole. Venäläisille sotilaillehan uskoteltiin, että suomalaiset työläiset ottaisivat heidän tervehtien vastaan, vapauttamaan kapitalismista.
Tässä biisissä julistetaan juuri sitä, kuinka kapitalismi on "riistänyt" Suomen kansaa, ja kuinka venäläiset nyt palattavat Suomen - sosialisteille ja kommunisteille!
Bristow414 3 years ago
Swedes considered Finns as subhumans, which Russians never did.
Russians even declared Finnish as official language of Finland.
Of course it wasn't all just fun and games.
During the last decades of Finland's autonomy, Finland was under Russification. Some fundamentalist-Russians tried to take Finland's autonomy away, or at least limit it heavily.
Still, Finns had much secured lifes under Russia's rule than Sweden.
Unfortunately, people always seemed to forget that
Bristow414 3 years ago 34
@Bristow414 Swedes also allowed Finns to learn Finnish. Swedes didn't want to turn Finns into Swedes. Russians also treated Finns as "lower race" and they tried to turn Finns into Russians.
Karpaneen 11 months ago
@Karpaneen Mitenkäs päädyit tällaiseen lopputulemaan?
Bristow414 11 months ago
@Bristow414 Subhuman is in your trousers. Seems like you russkies like that kind of propaganda. When our army lost in Poltava the psychopath russkie tsar Peter I sent cossacs to destroy everything in Finland. That was called the Grear Wrath (Iso-Viha) and thats the worst part of our history. Russia was not a solution to problems it was the the problem.
If you love communist rule. You can move to North-Korea.
I don´t hate russians, but they have never thought our benefit. Ridiculous.
PohjolaNorden 4 months ago
@PohjolaNorden Im not "russkie", thus there's propaganda in your head. No benefits? So if autonomy, own currency, taxes only for Finland's use, freedom of living, finnish as official language of Finland, the abandon of death penalty and corporal punishments, own separated army, aren't beneftis, then I don't know what are.
Russia is capitalist country, thus, you are living in the past. And don't forget that Russia is 1 # trade partner for Finland. Good to keep this in mind.
Bristow414 3 months ago
@Bristow414 It was you who is trying to push negative attitudes here against Sweden. It seems that you don´t understand much about old Sweden and you are pushing your shit here.
"freedom of living" ment that occupying rus don´t butcher anyone anymore here. There is clear political reasons, why Finland got the autonomy: It was cheap and no revolts in the time when Alex I had to watch Napo. And this song in the vid was planned to have it´s expression in occupied Helsinki originally in1939.
PohjolaNorden 3 months ago
@PohjolaNorden Swedes humiliated Finns for hundreds of years and considered them as sub-humans. Russians never did that. Otherwise they would have kept Finns as shitty conditions as Swedes did. Yes, there was political reasons. So what? Has there ever been decisions made without political reasons? I doubt that. Better good things, with political reasons, than NO GOOD THINGS AT ALL!
And you are continually switching between Russia and USSR even thought these are 2 different countries. Not wise
Bristow414 3 months ago
@Bristow414 Where did you get that. Sweden proper had four parts in past times Svealand, Finland, Geatland and Norrland. Those parts had all same laws everywhere. Other areas like Skåne or Halland in nowdays South-Sweden were understood as occupied territories and had harder taxasation etc.
Your thinking lacks understanding that there was not any nation of Finns at all those days. And whole Sweden was in very bad situation After the Great Northern War. Specially Finland, because of cossacs.
PohjolaNorden 3 months ago
@PohjolaNorden Yes, there wasnt any "nation of Finns", but there were still Finns.
Same laws? It doesnt matter if Finns are the only ones who were treated like garbage. The fact is, that under Russian rule, Finns received privileges, that they could only dream of under the rule of Sweden.
Bristow414 2 months ago
@Bristow414 And how were ordinary people treated better in Geatland or Svealand than in Finland? As I said the areas which were so called occupied territories had the hardest burden like Halland and Skåne. Tell me the historian, who shows anything else. the King of Svea won the Geats (in nowdays Swedish hartland) and then the Finns, Tavastians and Karelians were annexed to the Kingdom. Those areas were understood as Sweden proper. The nowdays map doesn´t tell the situation then.
PohjolaNorden 2 months ago
@Bristow414 Ít´s easy to show for example with center-periphery -model, how badly nowdays situation with nation borders understood through ultra-nationalistic sunglasses fits to the real situation in "old-Sweden". Te core areas of Stockholm centered country were a long time Stockholm Uppsala and Turku and surrounding areas. Those were the cities with universities. Then there were semi- periphery the coastal areas of the country. And Periphery mostly Karelia, Norrland etc. places.
PohjolaNorden 2 months ago
Back then there wasn't a country named Finland.
Finland was a province which belonged to Sweden - thus Russia invaded Sweden.
When Finland was attached as part of Russia in 1809, Finns life totally changed.
Russians declared autonomy to Finland
Russians gave Finland to it's own currency. (Can you imagine?)
All the taxes collected from the Finns could be used only for Finland.
In brief, Finns got benefits, they could only dream of when being under Sweden's rule.
Bristow414 3 years ago 10
@Bristow414 Finland has fought against Russia, only under Sweden's domination. What always amuses me, is that even though Finland was enslaved for 100 years by Russia we are still an older country than they are :)
hemoglobiinitasaarvo 3 years ago
"Finland was enslaved for 100 years by Russia we are still an older country than they are"
And swedes enslaved us over 600 years but still there is many people who think it was a good thing.
MokomaSusi 3 years ago 4
А в чем лживость? Война с Финляндией была необходима для того, чтобы отодвинуть границы. Мы просили обменять территории, нам отказали.
Финны же с радостью предоставили немцам аэродромы в 1941-м, в 30-х вместе с эстонцами разрабатывали планы агрессии против СССР.
Слава РККА!
serg123123 3 years ago
we all are humans, we all are brothers! Suomi or Soviet - I do not care! If I meet a man in the snow again who is about to die, I do not care - Russian, Suomi, Norge, Australia etc.... PLEASE people understand WE ALL ARE BROTHERS, nationality dos not marter! I am Russian, lots of love to you all- Norge, Suomi, Polish, Bulgaria, Sebs, German, Austria, UK, Czech, Slovak, etc.... please, make peace!
alez111222333 3 years ago 3
we all are humans, we all are brothers! Suomi or Soviet - I do not care! If I meet a man in the snow again who is about to die, I do not care - Russian, Suomi, Norge, Australia etc.... PLEASE people understand WE ALL ARE BROTHERS, nationality dos not marter! I am Russian, lots of love to you all- Norge, Suomi, Polish, Bulgaria, Sebs, German, Austria, UK, Czech, Slovak, etc.... please, make peace!
alez111222333 3 years ago
Tämä video on historiaa. Ei siitä pidä hernettä nenään vetää. :)
wilpuri24 3 years ago 3
Kiitoksia tästä puna-armeijan laulusta, olen tätä jo vähän etsinytkin. Paksusta neuvostoretorisesta viestistä huolimatta tämä on aina mielestäni ollut jotenkin kauniin surumielinen marssilaulu.
Hyvä käännös, oliko omasi?
Gwahlur 3 years ago 4
А что, чухонским прихвостням нацистов коммунисты хвост прищемили?
yairshtern 3 years ago
Спасибо, прекрасная песня. Если бее еще кто то на финнском исполнил
sharmutia 3 years ago
Good song
ivocmike 3 years ago 5
good good
If u have same vids please feel free to upload them :D thanks..
tiboid 3 years ago 5