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  • New sub to your page (as of today). Your videos are friendly and helpful. Thank you for providing your personal touch to educational videos as it really makes the learning a lot easier. :)

  • Each has its own characteristics, Pushing the puddle has less penetration but may be faster and flatter used for lighter gauge when penetration is not key, Draging the puddle naturally has more penetration and a bit of a convex shape, if your a pro welder you know how to make all welds in all positions in all circumstances and have them flat, no undercut, nice fusion at the toes and a perfect fillet, and if you dont know what your doing you should allways Refer to the WPS .

  • sparks diddums

  • I am just beginning to weld and what I mean by that is I was an auto technician for 10 yrs and some how manage to avoid welding. I don't know how that happened? I'm nearly 50 yrs old now and I bought an old Porsche to restore and their are some rust issues. So I bought the nicest Harbor Freight 220 welder they have and began to weld. My first welds were really ugly but I'm trying hard to get better. After seeing your video...dude you're my hero!!! Jesse James ain't got nothing on you. You have

  • @etj1085 Thank you!

    If you get the chance please stop by my site and check out the rest of my work.

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  • Whenever I do mig I generally like to push than drag, although dragging does have better appearance but not the pen iteration

  • @ApriliaFalcoSlr1000 Interesting. Glad to hear from someone in your line of work. This seems to be the answer to the question. Sure as been fun reading all the different ideas.

    Thanks for posting....

  • Pushing = better quality weld regarding penetrating the work piece thus making it stronger.

    pulling = easy to make it look good.

    For smaller welds thinner material and when looks are more important i always go for pull.Its easier

    heavy construction welds where the strenght of the weld is more important then i push.

  • the weld was being done with a miller mig just like your's

  • I once watched a guy that told me he could weld and this is what happened: he was doing a vertical weld and started from the bottom and tried to drag it up?????? right then and there I knew he didnt know how to weld lol. u always start from the top down and let gravity do it's role.... thank you for the great video's!

  • @chrisGspot14225

    It could be that he was thinking about the strenght of weld and not just the looks.

    top to bottom = rly bad for strenght since ure just covering the workpieces with weld not penetrating it.

    A good welder does bottom to top.

  • When you do vertical welds you start from bottom up you obviously do not hold any CWB or AWB welding tickets if you did you would know you start from bottom up. This is the most stupid thing I have ever heard (let gravity do its role)

  • @christopher81018 When welding in 3g, verticle down is a total plausable action for certian types of welding procedures, If done correctly a verticle down is much faster less heat involved and you can achieve the same penetration.

  • thank you !

  • You are welcome!

    Stop by when you can, always something new going on.

    @ap1996usa

  • @ap1996usa it is also stronger because of post cooling.pushing should be reserved for when all other options are exausted,what this man says is correct.kudos dude!!!

  • i like the sculptures on your web site you do some neat work man.

  • cant post link i guess i put a couple up a few days ago on mny channel

  • thoughts on my tig weld. just a small fast pass due to being at a workplace fucking off .. lol

  • also my dad was a welder for 25 years until he became plant manager at engineered air sys. they build medivac units and military equipment. they had the strictest standards i have ever seen. i just like the smaller shop environment better. Need to grow a sack and do it on my own i guess

  • sry didnt see the other question. i worked in a machine shop starting at 16 doing stick mig on ditch witch reamers and augers then a big plant that builds structural for the arena's around us like football stadiums ect. for two years then do a smaller machine shop again for the last 11 years started making chiropractic beds mainly now i do parts for burlington rail road emerson elec. and boing. mig tig stick spoolgun gas weld u name it pretty much. i suck at soldering though. go figure

  • most shops dont care as long as it looks good and holds but does that make it chemically correct is the true question

  • wont see differences in most cases without a x ray test of your welds unless u get sloppy

  • very true is gonna change depending on what you are doing and if u are working on a real heavy guage u may need to drag for more penetration or do multiple passes. i was just told not to push the shit back into your weld that the gas is cleaning out.

  • not disrespecting u in anyway just trying to give a correct answer to the question

  • @MrRastismonkey None taken. But doesn't the answer change for each situation? What is right for you may not work for someone else. Or is the welding requirements a standard the world over. Are the standards the same for ship building and bridge building? Or aircraft and power plants? Not stirring the pot, just don't know for sure...

  • @kevincaron Could you share a little background about yourself also. You said you have been doing this for 14 years. What do you do for a living?

  • yes but even in your own enviroment it is always best to do it right if possible. if u like dragginf u could prob save alot of money on gas and just use flux core or arc weld they are more designed for dragging. also dont know if u have tried it but on aluminum mig it is a major no no to drag anytime welds fail.

  • if a inspector there seen u drag a weld u was fired on spot no questions asked so what does that say? so this should debunk all theory's unless u are to hard headed to hear the truth... also wear leather protection and position your self in front of the weld dont look directly at the light but the puddle forming behind the light to make it pretty. u should have minimal spatter if welder is set correctly. tip try using metal core wire with a 98%argon2%oxygen mix adds heat and makes way less spatt

  • i been doing it mig and tig for 14 years and i agree adjust voltage and wire speed to reduce spatter. U should ALWAYS push rather than pull a weld if you are using a gas shielding agent otherwise u defeat the purpose of the gas by pushing contaminant's back into your weld. im not saying u cant get a good weld by dragging it but in general u should not. i have worked in a structural place not gonna say name but they guilt the supports for the dome arena's around the country {US}

  • @MrRastismonkey Which brings up another great point. You are not always in charge of your welder. If you are working for a company that has to follow some other guidelines you are not allowed to do things the way you want. You have to follow the blueprints or requirements set down by higher up. In my shop things are a lot more relaxed. Being the boss and the only employee takes a lot of the stress out of the day as well.

    Thanks for sharing how it's done on your end......

  • Thanks for taking you time on doing this video it help me alot and kip making more great and good video like this one have a great day.

  • Thanks for your feedback. Kevin is presently out of town and will be back to you as soon as possible.

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  • Can't see the puddle when pushing period. I personally like to drag it across/lead the the puddle from left to right. It's really a matter of preference. I agree with the maker of this video.

  • @FrankWhite70 Thanks for posting.

    Don't forget to stop by my site and check out the rest of my work. The address is in the video. Or just search for my name.

  • hey nice welder! we have the same one at the shop i work at and one that bigger than that its huge. but im just getting into welding and was ching out vids. thanks for the upload!

  • your "personal preference" idea is sensible but both examples you're going to end up with welds that could be much better. From my experience, travel speed, wire speed, voltage, and stick out are all variables that are more less up to the welder to decided. But the push/pull angle RARELY should be more than 10 degrees from perpendicular. when I take time to set up properly with a clean, well fitting joint and keep my angles and travel speed in check, I get minimal rogue sparks.

  • Ok, I have a simple rule of thumb. It was taught to me and i prity well live by it..If it's gas push the gun/wire.. If it's gasless, pull the gun/wire and that allows the flux within the wire to float to the top as it would when stick welding..Plenty of amps , good wire speed and gun control/angle..I welded most things from small tin to Multi storey buildings and Optus satalite systems, had constant engineer inspections and never fail one yet..Hope this helps...

  • @Gorto72 . Thanks for posting. Lots of different ideas about the best way to do this.

  • hello sir. i can appreciate the video having welded for 32 yrs myself. i would however, disagree with your leading the weld. my argument would be that while pushing the puddle you are naturally gouging the metal ahead in advance of filling that same area as you come across.ocillating also helps with penetrating the surface which is the desired result in a secured weld.your technique will cause learners stress. your spatter coming from lack of voltage and proper gun angle.push ads to preheat :)

  • @andersonwire Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I have learned a lot since I made this video. You are absolutely correct on the lack of voltage and gun control. I always have had a problem with running too cold of a weld. Thankfully my work is just for looking at.

  • it makes sence to lead the puddle its more natural as your melting the rod and leading it away! so in the same way technicaly in tig welding your actualy leading the puddle not pushing all your pushing is the energy source from the gun but leading the puddle away so you can see what your doing in both cases!!

  • Leading the puddle with a backhand pull IS easier and you CAN argue it does, for the most part make a better looking weld. But when you"follow" the puddle and push it, it will give you much better penetration and weld strength. And with some practise and some skill you most definately can make VERY good looking, strong welds with pushing.

  • @Gaurdian0017 More practice for everyone!!!

    Thanks for posting...

  • What size wire are you using in this video?

    Thanks

  • .@joeelutz .035 solid core.

  • I was taught that when you push the weld the gaseous shield protects the weld better than when you pull away from it, thus creating a stronger and more protected weld.

  • @Dreama40 And the debate continues......

  • @Dreama40 Strange that. I was taught that when you pull, the gas shield gives better protection against oxidation to the cooling weld pool. This certainly has benefits when working outside.

    Mike

  • when you lead the weld yes it is prettier but you have to take into consideration that when you push the weld you have to use a little bit of technique to make it look good and in the end results with a little bit of the circular motion when you push the weld it end up looking like a stitch weld done with a TIG. update your tricks old dog.

  • @007DrAbe Who you calling a dog!!??

    I may look a little rough now and then but I don't / can't lick my butt!

    Thanks for the tips. I love all the different opinions I have gotten off this video. The more information you have the better you can become.

    Thanks for posting..

  • Great topic! I just started welding and found that pulling is the more intuitive (and easier) method. However, after playing with both, I'm beginning to think that those who say you get deeper penetration by pushing may be on to something. Granted, I've welded for only about two hours now, so I'm certainly not making any claims to accuracy. It just appears visually that the weld puddle is deeper when I push. Thanks, Kevin, for making these videos available. These are really very helpful.

  • But you're reading the script at the beginning of the video! I'm just teasing you. Your videos are brilliant and fun and I can't wait to get into welding now :)

  • @wobinidan LoL... That was a drawing for a piece I was going to work on. It was laying on the table so I just picked it up to make believe I was reading an e-mail. Great eyes on your part!

  • In my opinion i it all depends on what your trying to do with the weld determines whether you should push or pull the bead. I personally do both with when i weld but i also weld a foot and a half bead at a time. i start straight in to initiate the puddle then push it across to get better penetration (due to the fact the seam i weld has to be water proof) the i end the bead with a pull so that i dont blow out the edge of the material.

  • Do you read all your youtube comments off a piece of paper?

  • @wobinidan. No, I use no script at all. I have never tried.

  • @kimphan7293 k, Im sure you know best

  • I hear a mustang in the background at 3:34.

  • @bobyluppo. I am not sure how to respond to that.

    I know I farted about then but I didn't think it was that loud ...

  • Thank you for the nice words. I am a 2000 graduate of Hobart Institute of welding tech. Also I am Certified by ASME standards to weld on nuclear pipe. These certs are for Mig, Tig and stick rod. I also have some training in metallurgy. If you ever want any manual manipulation tips or help with filler metal selection feel free to e-mail me. Thanks

  • Diffrent wire feed to voltage propotions. These parameters make Globular, spray, and shortcurcuit. Possibly even pulse if your power source has that capability.

  • This not sinking is lack of fusion & penetration. To far out in front of puddle erratic arc and thin pointed ripples not given time fuse into the metal.Draging the weld helps put the heat on the metal where you are welding toward. This heating will help with fusion. These facts are as applied to shortcurcit. The push techniques are more common in your spray transfer. Spray works completley diffrent than shortcurcit. Diffrent techiqunes for diffrent modes of metal transfer. Rember Diffrent gas.

  • Rather a person likes to drag or push the weld will be determined by mode of metal transfer. Draging or pushing might also be selected by joint acessibility. Gas metal arc welding a.k.a mig has far more layers than most shop welders know. Basic knowledge pushing the weld puts the heat on the puddle directly under the arc. This can easily cause lack of fusion. If you want to not have lack of fusion stay on tne front 1/3 of the puddle. To far back mounded up due to not sinking in metal.

  • @melaniew77msn I think I understand all of what you posted. All I can add is Wow and thank you for sharing. I alway am interested to get a pros' point of view.

  • Well pulling the puddle is ok if the material is 1/4 " or less material but if your going to weld thicker you should push the puddle because it penetrates the steel better and is more stronger of a weld thats why everyone insists of pushing. Pulling is prettier and easier but just not as effective and most of the time you can't see it until you test it in a bending machine.

  • @prolinegod agreed with this guy.. push the puddle puling is easier and alot faster but not as strong a weld

  • @INDIANGURU69 No but I can show you how to get baned off my site.

    Bye bye.

  • can you demonstrate vertical weld  going from bottom to top where you pause on each side. and overhead welding technique using mig welder.

    thank you

  • @fabe202 I will have to learn how first.

    I will play around with it and see what I can do. Stay tuned.....

  • this guy is right, i have done this so many time and i preferred to lead the paddle my idiot supervisor keep telling me to be better push the paddle, and i have seen them keep jumping when they get burn. they dont even use proper welding clothing which is indication of crappy weld and unprofessional job.

  • hi im a student and im doing welding for one of my corse's and was wondering how easy is it to do a vertical weld ??? i need help because i will be tested on this soon and it would be nice to hear what u think and possably show a deminstration on how it is done ?? thanks very much kevin tinklin

  • @CyberFur Keeping in mind that I am NOT a certified welder and have never taken a class I would say vertical is a little harder than flat for sure. I like to weld top to bottom and just go a little faster than flat welding. Going from bottom to top is harder still. I am not very good that way and try to avoid it whenever possible.

    Can one of the pro welders on this site step in here with a more knowledgeable answer than I can??

  • @CyberFur You should also go over to welding tips and tricks .com. and check out his videos too. Lots of great info. on his site.

  • push

  • i push but away from me

  • @acydcy interesting. I will have to give it a try.

  • Very nice comparison. I like your demonstration and un-biased technique. This is invaluable information, thank you!

  • @ianjrab You are welcome!

    Thanks for stopping by.

  • @kevincaron i like to lead also

    

  • i like to push my welds i think they look better but 20a is alitle high if you have a good running welder 17.5 is perfect and you need to be osalating the puddle

  • @leslieandchad Thanks for adding your opinion to the mix.

  • I'm a leader!!! Not a Pusher unless circumstances dictate.

    Pushing seems to leave a void at the joining sections of the metal.

    By pulling, I can heat the metal at the joint better with more penetration and then circle back to get my weld to the size and appearance I desire.

    Seems by pushing, you miss the join area and just cover it with a puddle of mud.

    Up hill, well, I sort of push...It's harder to transcribe than to do.

    Nice video Johhny! (Cash)

  • @hiOctane400 No offense taken.

    But most folks will agree that I sound like Kermit.

    And i look like Johnny Cash according to another poster.

  • i find this video very interesting im a welder myself, i prefer to push the puddle, my question is if you push the puddle arent you able to see the root alot better then if you lead am i right ? im not questioning kevin caron i just want to know

  • @sodapopyo1 Keeping in mind that I am self-taught and not certified, yes, you are correct. You can see the root better if you push the puddle.

    Now the big question is, if you can see the root does it make for a better weld? I just prefer to lead my weld.

    My opinion, for what it is worth.

  • @hiOctane400 Thanks for posting.

    Have you been to the website yet??

    Lots to see over there also.

    Look for the address at the end of the video.

  • i like leading ...its the way i learned when i was a kid brass welding ...so thats generally how i weld in stick and mig ..but it all depends on if u can turn your work around ..sometimes all u can do is reach it and its not up to you...so obviously its best to know how to do both..

  • @spark23ca I am a big fan of learning to weld with either hand, in either direction. You never know how the next joint will set up. Overhead or underhand, it is fun to practice all different ways.

    Thanks for posting.

  • @kevincaron i couldn't sign my name to save my life with my left hand ..but i can weld with either..when u work on cars or body work too sometimes the way you weld it is absolutely the only way possible ...brass welding is a thing of the past ...but when ya got an old cast iron stove and you know its a good stove but its cracked what do ya do ..what kinda gun do you use?? is it liquid or air cooled or stock ?? i'd love to have a cooled one

  • @spark23ca I hear you on signing my name with the other hand. i have a hard time reading my own writing when I am paying attention to what I am doing. The teacher in high school said I should be a doctor with writing like mine. Not sure what brand of gun this is. i needed a longer reach for the :"Hands On' piece and this was in stock. It is an air cooled gun but has held up very well. I will take a look next time I am at the studio and let you know.

  • @kevincaron i have a stock one on my lincoln mig pak 10 ..any good size bead at all and its too hot to lay the next ...starts sticking in the tip

  • both way are almost the same, as long as u know what u doing. your wire speed looked just a little to high.

  • @Same4Ever18 Thank you. I have watches this video several times and I agree.

  • if your a good welder you can push it or pull it and make it look the same but turn the welder up

  • @MrCope1989 So true!! I have learned a lot since this video was posted.

    Thanks for posting. Have you seen the rest of my videos? You can find them on my site. Just type in my name and there you go!

  • I PREFER TO LEAD THE PUDDLE PUSHING ALSO LEAVES MORE SLAG ON YOUR TORCH TIP

  • @CUSTOMLIFR Good point but why are you shouting?

  • @kevincaron Not shouting Its just easier to type with cap lock lol

  • Thank you !

  • @britishteen You are welcome.

    Thanks for stopping by.

  • good idea on the flap on the chin of the helmet. alot better than having sparks and chipped slag going down your shirt. i always preffered to lead the puddle but if your welding something stationary where it's not possible to move the metal,but you have to instead move your body,but if at all possible i like to lead. great video demonstration

  • @morbidangelofdeath1 I am not sure how many times this chin flap has saved me from sparks and such. On top of that you don't get the sunburn on your chest.

    Thanks for stopping by. Don't forget to check out my website. Lots of stuff to see over there also.

  • Thanks for the info Kevin! Good vid!

  • @stvynix You are welcome. Thanks for stopping by.

    Have you been to my website yet? Lots more to see over there.

  • @kevincaron Will do Kevin! Thanks. I'm a beginner, so all the tips help. I'm really enjoying the welding and learning all about it.

  • @kevincaron the only reason you need to push is on aluminum it keeps the shielding gas in front of the puddle a little and better prevents against atmospheric contamination.

  • @iceman27406 You are correct. Alway great to get more opinions. Leads to getting more knowledge also.

    Thanks for posting.

  • cool video

  • Hey nice video Kevin. I always pull or lead the puddle, much easier and it comes out great. One question I always had was what type of wire to use, 023, 030, or 035, I usually use 030.

  • @EDSZ28 All depends on the size of the weld you need to lay down. Or in my case the size of the hole I need to fill.

  • OK your dials are around 1100 o'clock that is around were you want to be for thin gauge. Your on thick gauge in video you need to be around 100 o'clock on dials.

  • @amazing51 Thank you for the advice. I will try your suggestions the next time I am using the MIG.

    Thanks for posting.

    If you get the chance stop by my site and check out the rest of my work.

  • Sorry if i sounded rude just trying to help. When you are set right you should see a little stream that is about the size of a pencil led going into your weld. Good tip is to use a pencil and mark exactly were your voltage and wire speed are on the welder make a line on the welder the dials already have a line. Or remember your numbers and write them down. When i make a video and post i will let you know. Turn your heat up you will hear a little hiss then you will have no splatter.zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Always push the wire on a mig welder. And your wire speed is to fast that's why you are getting to much splatter. And your going to fast. with your hand speed. Take your welder and get it close to your table and play with your wire speed at the same time you are making a weld. I will put a video on here soon and so a lot of you how to weld.

  • @amazing51 Okkkk. We seem to have a Pro. in the house. How about a little back ground on your qualifications my friend. Your home page is not very informative. You can post up a video on your page and let everyone know it is up. I am sure we would all like to see your work.

  • @amazing51 sometime you have to have a higher wire speed to get a better penetration.. i usually run hot and fast to gain maximum penetration for a water proof weld.. my settings are usually around 19.9 and 275 and i use 035 wire

  • and i dont think ur suppose to be sitting down when welding health and saftey

  • @xoxdjwdxox One of the great things about having your own shop. If I want to sit down and weld I can. I get sparks in my crotch I got no one to blame but myself.

  • depends on the welder and wot type of weld ur doing

  • @xoxdjwdxox True, and a lot of other factors like metal thickness, amps and wire size.

    Thanks for posting.

  • ive always pulled or leaded but one day at school in ag the teacher saw me and he was like you alway push a mig so i dont know i prefer leading the weld

  • @memodedonachuy You got me confused with someone else. I always lead the puddle like you.

  • Lol remember not to touch the red metal k?

  • I'm about to try welding, and I will be leading the puddle. I think it's important to see the work and the sparks will fly away instead of towards me.

  • @Darthbelal Welcome to the club. Just remember to not touch the red metal, ok?

    Thanks for posting.

  • @dennisj86 Great idea! I will have to start doing that also. Thanks for posting.

  • Jeez, between you (Kevin) and Angeyman, I might not have to take a class in MIG/TIG after all... the info you guys toss out answers so many of the questions kicking around in my noggin.

    But since part of my welding will be on my airplane, I think I'll take a few classes anyway

  • @TruthinFilm Thanks for the kind words. I will be the first one to stand up and say take some classes. I have had a lot of fun learning to weld. But if I was going to be making bridges or airplanes I would be taking every class I could find.

  • @dennisj86 This is starting to get out of my realm of expertise. I think I just stay with a good whack from a big hammer!!

  • I will push if I have to weave it, but for a single pass I will do a slite pull.

  • In all my years of welding, the saying I always heard is pull a MIG. Pulling allows for an un obstructed shot at clear weld free metal for deeper penetration.

    I do though push when welding sheet metal on auto bodies. Less penetration means less chance of blow through. Now that I have a Cobra 2000 torch, AKA Henrob, I do not mig sheet metal on cars any more. The Cobra torch's weld is far superior and less brittle for supreme workability on automobile sheet metal.

  • @MrStevilKneivel Thanks for posting. I have to try a Henrob someday. I have been hearing lots of good stuff about it.

  • Hey mate, If i were to weld 1.6mm galv sheet metal to thick, say 12mm fms plate in a flush corner joint, what technique would i use? i just want to get your opinion on which way seems to work best for you (that's if you weld galvanized metal). i have a technique however i want to get as many tips as i can to make it easier, faster, stronger and look the bees knees!

    Cheers mate.

  • @angeyman I try to stay away from galvanized metal. The fumes are not niceSo sorry I got nothing for this one. How are you welding it?

  • @kevincaron i understand mate, makes me feel a bit sick after a full days work. picture the continuous cursive E technique in your mind however instead of making the full loop up the top, follow it back down. sort of like a devils horn shape?. i build up the pool, then run the wire over the galv real quick to burn off the galv and transfer the heat so the pool washes down onto it, majority of the time the wire is on the fms!

  • You can either push or pull the weld. Pushing,however, gives you more penetration.

  • @donnyp1966 This has been a big argument around my welding table for a long time. I think that the only way to get more penetration is with more heat. With the same amps, wire feed and forward motion you should get almost the same penetration pushing or leading. IMHO (keeping in mind I am self-taught in welding)

  • Probably should cut the welds and inspect them to see what has the best penetration.

    Sometimes the way you weld (push or pull) with mig is dependent on what and where you are welding. Sometimes the mig gun cannot be pulled due to obstructions and the same with pushing the gun. It all depends.

  • @MrStevilKneivel I have tried to cut a weld to see the penetration but never get anywhere. All I see is the cut. Can you tell us how to do this correctly?

  • @kevincaron I cut a weld using a band saw. A chop saw will sometimes mess up the metal in the weld area and the base metal.

    I look for any voids in the welds and also any blow through but good penetration. I also look for a good weld profile.

    I practiced for many hours cutting up my practice welds before I finally got it down where I am now sure my welds are good and strong.

    I like my mig welds to look like tig welds. Do a google on "Mig like Tig" and you will see what I am talking about.

  • Im learning to weld and one of the guys in our shop says if you lead the puddle you will get a higher bead then if you push the puddle he isnt the brightest color in the pack so i was wondering if what he said had any truth to it oh yeah and thanx again kevin your vids are always helpful

  • Im learning to weld and one of the guys in our shop was telling me that if you lead the puddle you will get a higher bead then if you push the puddle he isnt the brightest color in the pack so i was wonderin if what he said had any truth to it

  • wow this is bad, leading is incorrect, yout not getting the full treatment of the gas shielding. to be 100% honest both ways you where welding are wrong. when you was pushing you were at 40 60 degree angle, you should be at about 10-15 degree angle. that way you get better shielding. also you can see just fine and are out of reach from the sparks this way

  • @coalandnuclear Thanks for adding your knowledge to the mix. This is how we all learn to be better welders.

  • I agree leading the weld is preferred in my book.

  • @megawelderguy Thanks for posting. If you get the chance stop by my site and check out the rest of my work.

  • which technique gets better penetration and better qualtiy welds?

  • @ed563 Well, in my non-certified and self taught opinion I would say leading the puddle gets better penetration. Has for quality of the weld I am not sure. I don't have any way to test my welds.

    Thanks for posting.

  • cool thanks for the response. Cant wait to own one myself but the wallet has to get a little more heavy.

  • Is that the 212 auto set or the 252? I sold my small lincoln 140 and am saving for a bigger welder. How do you like the miller vs. lincoln. Ive taken a few welding classes and tried both, but I like the miller a little better myself. 

  • @slab698 That is a 251 Miller. I love this machine. It has been a real work horse for me. Never a lick of trouble, just keeps on spitting out the wire.

    Never have used a Lincoln. This machine was on sale when I needed one so I have stuck with Miller ever since.

  • Great leading weld always like to lead instead of pushing :)

  • it sure is a pretty weld...

  • @ogsleeps Thanks! I have gotten better over the years. 

  • Visual apearance cant show the difference. Only an xray can. Push equals better penetration, and yes pulling makes it look nicer and makes it a bit easier. Use what gets the job done. And wheres your U motion at man? Dont be lazy

  • @Spliff1230 There was motion!! I was going that a way!

  • @Spliff1230 you dont need to use the U motion for every weld try using that motion on a vertical up weld and see hoow it turns out...

  • @xide3 LOL Been there, ground that for a long time.

    Thanks for posting. Stay tuned.......

  • kev ya'll didnt tak the other side. i hope the heat didnt pull it outta square? :P

  • @chevyvictor That's the great thing about using scrap metal. It came from the bucket and it returns to the bucket.

  • against welding (Lead the Puddle), burning deeper and thinner seams and less risk of carbon formation.

    from welding (Push the Puddle), then the opposite, it reduces the burning deep, wide as and more risk of carbon formation

  • Horses for courses.sometimes you dont have the privilege of determine which way you weld a joint lol.

    sometimes i have to push sometimes i have to pull!

    Makes no difference whatsoever to me as long as the joint gets welded.

    On a daily basis i dont have the privilege of welding on a bench with the joint laid there 12" away from my hands.

    most of my welding takes place with me laid on my back!

  • @thanxx. That is the great about working for yourself. This was just a demo. Some of my larger pieces found me on my back, on my hands and knees or with one leg wrapped around the ladder. I know what you're saying and have the aches and pains to go with them.

    Thanks for posting and stop by when you can.

  • @weldhawk1 you seem like a guy who knows quite a bit.i myself put safety first and any good welder who cares for there own healty and safety always wear safety glasses.i mean if you dont care about your own safety your not going to care about the quality of your work.ive a question for you how many litres of gas should i use for 1.0 mm wire /wire speed 12m /approx 220 amps.i myself weld hydraulic cylinders for machinery.also what is the optimum distance from the nozzle to the work piece. thanks

  • @scottstrike10 Are you asking for a flow rate? 30 to 40 CFH (sorry. In US and we don't use metric for some stupid reason.) ESO can effect you amperage as well as poor shielding. Keep it between 10 to 15mm and should be ok. Look up the effects of Electrode Stick Out. U be suprised the effect it has. The more u know compared to the guy next to u will held get u noticed. Let your weld talk for you.