Pipe organs invented c.200 BC, yes, but not used by Christians in East or West the 1st 1000 yrs. Early Church worshiped with human vocal music only, keeping the Jewish liturgical practice which had banned musical instruments after the Babylonian captivity, as Jews sought to separate the hymns in their rites of the True God from pagan temple music.
Western pipe organs were a change from sung worship of both Christians and the
Jews of Jesus' day. Today organ music is rare in Eastern Churches.
You know. I'm not really sure. For some reason I thought I saw one like a table, but still behind the iconostasis. and that may not be right. it could have just been a bad view.
Actually I think that the Eastern Orthodox do have a "table-altar" behind the Iconostasis and that they face the people on the other side of the "wall".
I just noticed because the forms clearly seen here reminded me of the high-altars.
That makes sense. The Maronite Liturgies in the video were in a Novus Ordo church near where I live, so it's not a perfect representative of a Maronite DL. As for the eastern churches, some that I saw looked like high altars. Maybe some are high altars and others are tables depending on their particular tradition?
Perhaps, in the end it does not really matter where the celebrant faces...I mean even the Ordinary Form can be celebrated adorientem and the Pope traditionally celebrated Mass facing the people.
Main thing is that we have the Liturgies of the Word and the Holy Eucharist :)
I have been to one Greek Orhthodox in Nashville that has them in front of the altar (back to the people) but it appears like an altar table of some kind). I also saw a Byzantine Rite Catholic Mass but it was in a Latin Rite church (and in english) so it was more like a regular novus ordo mass, plus icons, different communion, music and vestments. beautiful vid, I just wish the volume was higher!
@BeingBob Its not that the Eastern Liturgies do not use high altars. They use the earlier form of the free standing square altar while the Latin rite (ideally) uses the newer but still very old long altar. Often the sanctuary of eastern churches isn't raised as much because the same effect of separating the sanctuary from the people is effected by the iconostasis.
No. The altar is behind the iconostasis, but the priest faces east, in the same direction the congregation faces. There is also a side table to the left (north) of the altar, on which the priest prepares the Proskomedia (the consecrated bread) and takes bits out of the prosphora bread offered by the congregation to add to the chalice. At no time does the priest face the congregation during the service.
Pipe organs invented c.200 BC, yes, but not used by Christians in East or West the 1st 1000 yrs. Early Church worshiped with human vocal music only, keeping the Jewish liturgical practice which had banned musical instruments after the Babylonian captivity, as Jews sought to separate the hymns in their rites of the True God from pagan temple music.
Western pipe organs were a change from sung worship of both Christians and the
Jews of Jesus' day. Today organ music is rare in Eastern Churches.
diomedes1A 1 year ago
Do all other Eastern traditions have high-altars?
BlackCappa 2 years ago
You know. I'm not really sure. For some reason I thought I saw one like a table, but still behind the iconostasis. and that may not be right. it could have just been a bad view.
BeingBob 2 years ago
Actually I think that the Eastern Orthodox do have a "table-altar" behind the Iconostasis and that they face the people on the other side of the "wall".
I just noticed because the forms clearly seen here reminded me of the high-altars.
BlackCappa 2 years ago
That makes sense. The Maronite Liturgies in the video were in a Novus Ordo church near where I live, so it's not a perfect representative of a Maronite DL. As for the eastern churches, some that I saw looked like high altars. Maybe some are high altars and others are tables depending on their particular tradition?
BeingBob 2 years ago
Perhaps, in the end it does not really matter where the celebrant faces...I mean even the Ordinary Form can be celebrated adorientem and the Pope traditionally celebrated Mass facing the people.
Main thing is that we have the Liturgies of the Word and the Holy Eucharist :)
BlackCappa 2 years ago
I have been to one Greek Orhthodox in Nashville that has them in front of the altar (back to the people) but it appears like an altar table of some kind). I also saw a Byzantine Rite Catholic Mass but it was in a Latin Rite church (and in english) so it was more like a regular novus ordo mass, plus icons, different communion, music and vestments. beautiful vid, I just wish the volume was higher!
XSC3 2 years ago
@BeingBob Its not that the Eastern Liturgies do not use high altars. They use the earlier form of the free standing square altar while the Latin rite (ideally) uses the newer but still very old long altar. Often the sanctuary of eastern churches isn't raised as much because the same effect of separating the sanctuary from the people is effected by the iconostasis.
invisoweasel 2 years ago
No. The altar is behind the iconostasis, but the priest faces east, in the same direction the congregation faces. There is also a side table to the left (north) of the altar, on which the priest prepares the Proskomedia (the consecrated bread) and takes bits out of the prosphora bread offered by the congregation to add to the chalice. At no time does the priest face the congregation during the service.
warszawianka 2 years ago
Blessed be Jesus in the Holy Sacrament.
paxcoder 2 years ago
Amen!
BeingBob 2 years ago