3)I'm not sure what Christians would say about that question. Perhaps they would say that we cannot assume precisely God's intentions?4)If Christian doctrine would imply that Jesus never died then it would need to be revised because the historical evidence wouldn't support it.The evidence for Jesus death is probably more impressive then his burial, the empty tomb, etc. But I don't think that is what Christians think. I think they would say that Jesus died in his human nature(mind/body dualists)?
1 and 2) the question isn't whether Jesus rose from the dead but that God raised him from the dead. If we think that God exits and take the historical evidence for Jesus' burial, the empty tomb, post-mortem appearances, and proclamation of the early disciples to point to the conclusion that God did raise Jesus from the dead then can't we take the comparatively small steps in concluding that God raised him with a properly functioning brain and body?
@Babylauncher3000 XTIANS SAY JESUS BODY WAS BURIED ON FRIDAY NIGHT. SO WHO CAN SAY HE WAS THERE TILL SUNDAY MORNING. JUST COS THEY SAY HE WAS DISCOVERED GONE ON SUNDAY , DOESNT MEAN HE WAS THERE TILL SUNDAY
Dionysus . His name in Linear B tablets shows he was worshipped from c. 1500—1100 BC by Mycenean Greeks: other traces of Dionysian-type cult have been found in ancient Minoan Crete.E. Kessler states that Dionysian cult had developed into strict monotheism by the 4th century CE; together with Mithraism and other sects the cult formed an instance of "pagan monotheism" in direct competition with Early Christianity during Late Antiquity.
No, Paul did not see Jesus. He claims to have seen his ghost, which is not a very reliable claim. You might as well claim that you talk to Elvis, and when people point out he died before you could have met him, you answer "well the ghost of Elvis"
Be honest, for once. What kind of deity doesn't even think to have one single person write about Jesus who could have met him. Jesus is a legend, you know it and I know it.
No one who wrote about Jesus could have met him, and we don't know who wrote the Gospels, but they were also written long after his supposed death. So there is zero worthwhile evidence for the historicity of Jesus. On the other side, all the evidence seems to point to him not existing : the evidents depicted in the NT (earthquakes, etc.) would have been recorded by the historians of the time. And funny how Jesus was supposed to heal and feed thousands, and yet no one wrote it down. Legend.
Seems WLC has never heard of the Egyptian “Book of the Dead” where the life and death of Jesus was plagiarised from. Not to mention the many other religions that has copied the “Book of the Dead” character Horus, giving birth to many other gods like Krishna and Mithra.
@MrBeautifulba1 I looked up google images but didnt get it, then I youtubed your video and lolled like a motherfucker all throughout the video, man I havent laughed so hard in a long time. The resemblance really is uncanny, thats so funny for some reason. Its almost like that smiley cyrus hanna montana show, maybe hes living a double life, alot of christians do lol
@MrBeautifulba1 ohman I watched it again and laughed even harder. Its so funny for so many reasons, you really couldnt make up this shit. Im really starting to doubt if it really is not the same person. I mean he cant play an instrument is just dancing there being useless, he has this gay-ish vibe over him, so does william lane craig, this christian gay-ish double life guy. such a dorky dancer. William Lane Craig would dance like that if he would. Great just great, comedy gold.
By the way this is my last post on the subject since I don't waste my time arguing with theists about things that they obviously can't see since they are blinded by faith, and faith is of course evidence of nothing. Like the "Christian scientist" who can compartmentalize his profession in his brain from his faith Christians can compartmentalize their faith from reality. The bible is the most contradictory and inconsistent work of literature that was never meant to be a work of history.
The only reason Christianity is even around today is because of Constantine, the backing of the Roman empire, the military might of Rome, and its coercion of the masses to accept it as truth through politics and legislation in favor of the Christian religion. There is no evidence of the existence of Jesus anywhere outside of the gospel accounts. And what little so called evidence is available has been tampered with by the church throughout history. The church dictated doctrine for many years.
Finally, the so called "facts" of Jesus resurrection that Craig points out in this video are not facts in the traditional sense. These so called facts have not been historically proven by anyone in any scientific or historic field of research that might be relative to this case. Merriam Webster defines fact as :' the quality of being actual : actuality a question of fact hinges on evidence.' The resurrection of Christ in this sense is not a fact.
@chatpilot Thats not quite accurate. The crucifixion and the empty tomb adhere to the criteria of historicity called multiple attestation. Both the scriptures and the Jewish leadership said that the tomb was empty. The latter accusing the apostles of stealing the body.
@AegeanKing You are missing my point, you can't use the bible for your so called multiple attestation defense because it has not been proven to be historically accurate. There are no extra-biblical secular sources that corroborate the trial and crucifixion of Christ as an actual historical event. If everyone were to take everything in the bible as fact, we would not have anything to argue about. To date no one knows where Jesus alleged tomb is located. The so called "evidence" is circumstantial.
@chatpilot "Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, “He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy. Whosoever has anything to say in his defense, let him come and declare it.” As nothing was brought forward in his defense, he was hanged on Passover Eve." - Babylonian Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin (43a)
@chatpilot By your unrealistically high standard for the establishment of historical facts, nothing can be known about any historical figure. The MAJORITY of ancient history is known only through one maybe two documents. The life and conquests of Alexander the great are considered historical facts and yet we only have accounts hundreds of years later. By your standard, we should dismiss all ancient history that has only one source. You're ignorant of historical methodology.
@AegeanKing If I am ignorant of historical methodology then you must be blinded by your faith. The difference between Alexander and other historical figures is that they did not have their documents corrupted by a church that was trying to become the dominant religion of the then known world through the use of political force. You don't even know what Jesus last name was. Why? Because the bible does not give it to you. Christ as you might know is not a proper name but a title.
@chatpilot We have plenty of extrabiblical references from the first and early second century that shows that the belief of Jesus being the Son of God goes right to the beginning. Clement of Rome, a student of the Apostle Peter, wrote an epistles to the Corinthians in the year 96 espousing the exact same thing as the Bible and even quoting the Bible. You can read it for yourself. Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna, also students of the Apostles, did the same thing. CONT>
@chatpilot There is no corrupted church. You obviously don't know the first thing about Christian history or the writings of the Apostolic fathers or the Greek fathers or any in the line of apostolic succession through the episcopacy of the ancient patriarchates. Btw, why do I need to know Jesus last name? Is that relevant to my salvation? No, it isnt. Just like I dont need to know what his favorite food was.
@AegeanKing The church fathers were a bunch of megalomaniacal nut jobs. Your post leads me to believe you might be Catholic, if so that explains why you cling so tenaciously to your myths. All you are doing is repeating the same b.s. apologetics the church has been teaching for years. All of that garbage is based on St. Aquinas so called twisted reasoning. News flash there is no evidence that Jesus ever existed and there never will be. Finally, the dead do not come back lol.
@chatpilot First, Im not Catholic. Im Eastern Orthodox. You propbably don't even know what that is. Secondly, your objections commit the genetic fallacy. You have no idea who the Church fathers were or what they were like and I doubt you have even read a single work by them. Third, the Church has never surpressed any scriptures. That very accusation shows your complete ignorance on Church history and cannonization methodology. Educate yourself instead of drinking the kool-aide.
@AegeanKing I'm done with you. Asking me to educate myself, this coming from a brain washed deluded idiot who doesn't know any better. Go drown yourself in your delusions clown. The church never suppressed any scriptures or even edited historical documents in their favor? It seems like it is you who are uneducated on these matters and needs to read a book or two on church history. Keep waiting on Jesus one day he might just find his way back to Earth Lol what a nut job!
@chatpilot You are done with me because I destroyed your absurd accusations and you haven no retort. I know more about Church history and church councils than you could ever hope to know in a life time. There was no suppression of any "scriptures". There was suppression of spurious documents that did not fit the criteria of holy tradition through the episcopacy. Not that you even know what Holy tradition is or how it works to begin with. Educate yourself.
@AegeanKing You haven't destroyed anything, all you have shown is that your are thoroughly indoctrinated by your church. I've read your stupid bible four times in its entirety and was a practicing xtian myself before abandoning my beliefs in ancient myths. There is no way to objectively prove that Jesus rose from the dead outside of the scriptures. And unfortunately the church fathers reports don't count. That's like asking a used car salesman if the lemon you are about to buy is any good.
@chatpilot If you actually read my comments, you will see that I never used the Church fathers in order to establish the resurrection. I used the Apostolic Fathers (Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp) to show that the scriptures have not been doctored in order to teach the resurrection. You are obviously uneducated about Christianity and reading the Bible does not teach you anything about Church history or councils. All you said in reply were genetic fallacies and ad hominem. Get educated.
@AegeanKing The church has been known to suppress and corrupt the scriptures to suit their needs. What do you think the Crusades and the various inquisitions were about? Christianity is the most disgusting and intolerant religion on the face of the earth next to Islam. Read a real book on church history not the churches sanitized version.
@chatpilot By the way I don't mean to jump in your conversation but you are very ignorant of the Middle East tradition and this shows you havent done your homework on the subject.
First of all in the Middle East, Egypt and Israel we do not use Last names even to this day. We go by the your Name then your fathers name then your grandfathers name... but up till the 1900 people used titles.. such as: Peter + Baker - if he was a baker... Since Christ had no father they used his Title (Christ).
@DivineAegis02 I know all of this but you can only say but so much to defend your position in a commentary section with limited words. Thanks for your input though.
@chatpilot Thanks for your input, I was reading your comment about the Crusades but with all due respect I would have to say you have no idea what you are talking about. The Crusades were triggered after Fatimid Muslim caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah burned down the Church of the Holy Sepulcher 1009, by then the Eastern Christians were asking for help vs the Islamic army and the West send down the Crusaders.. after they proved heretical in 1204 they were excommunicated and tortured for treason.
@chatpilot (2) The 4th Crusade in 1204 instead of liberating the Christians desecrated, raped and burned the Church of Haga Sofia in Constantinople and started a huge rift between the Roman Catholics and E.Orthodox Church.. The Crusaders while not all of them did heritical things many (known as the Knights Templar) span and the cross and raped christian women, they were put condemned and executed, those that survived swore revenge vs the R.C's and they also used the symbol of the Illuminati..
@AegeanKing : Actually if Jesus had done half of what was claimed (healed and resurrected and fed thousands magically) someone would have written it down or wrote a letter to someone. Like Paul (but he never met Jesus. dang). Everything points to legend : No one wrote about Jesus when he was around, and as the legend grew so did the writings.
@nosuchthing8 First, you dont know that nobody ever wrote about Jesus. The earliest writings we have about Alexander the Great come hundreds of years after Alexanders death. Yet, it is almost unthinkable to think that people did not write about him during his life. Secondly, the Jews, in their Babylonian Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin 43a, it clearly states that a man named "Yeshua" had disciples and was hung on passover for leading Israel astray and for "sorcery".
There is absolutely no external sources that verify the historical crucifixion or resurrection of Christ whatsoever! You would think that such an monumental event would have caught the interests of historians of the day who were in the region, yet you hear nothing from that time period outside the N.T. to corroborate those stories. It takes a hell of a lot of mental gymnastics to smooth over the many contradictions in the gospels themselves to make this story even remotely coherent.
My biggest issue with Craig's argument is that he starts from a presupposition that the bodily resurrection of Christ was a fact based on faith, and then goes on to prove his case. The problem with this is that the resurrection story is blatantly self contradictory as it is told in the synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Not to mention that the gospels are based on hearsay, and not firsthand accounts as many who have not taken the trouble to learn have been led to believe.
I look forward to the coming "Jesus who?" era. Christianity can't get away from the fact that it started out as a doomsday cult based on a story about an unnatural, spooky baby who grew up and became a zombie. Just the embarrassment factor alone tends to work against the spread of this superstition in the modern world.
For all of those people citing the bible and the versus in are taking each verse out of context. To understand anything from the bible to its fullest you must read the entire context of the book. Thefore anything said by those of you who ask us christians to read one passage are nieve and not truly disproving anything. Please comment when you read the entire book and understand it. Also he is only proving that the resurrection occurred in an actual place and at an actual time.
Dr. Lane, Lucifer was right about one thing, The more intelligent we become the more ignorant we get; about the one who is responsible for creating us? As it is written: For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. You are made of dust Dr. Lane and dust shall thou return: Isaiah 55:8,9 By the way; GOD does not have a beginning.
Did the Jews and the Romans launch a man-hunt to break the legs of the resurrected Jesus walking around publicly upon discovering his empty tomb? and Why not?
In full knowledge that you don't believe in God nor the BIble as the word of God and that because of this you're inclined to not seek to understand the actual context nor the intended meaning/message that is being portrayed, read the context and get back to me.
Christians in the 21st Century really should give it up as hopeless. Christianity started out as a doomsday cult based on a ghost story about a guy who rose from the dead. Today's christians have pinned their hopes on THAT?
one must first presuppose god exists to arrive at the conclusion that jesus was resurrected, and that is not science. the word translated resurrection is Anastasis and it is passive, that is its an action being performed on the subject.
Soooo, like the Piraha would say, you believe, a man you have never met, who talks about many men you have never met, who all are supposed to talk about a man you have never met! You are Sucker! If you want to, have faith, but please do not go in the fact business, its a pain. UFO's have the exact proof with Jesus. Second hand jabber. If you got faith in your God you do not need shitty philosophy by WLG. If you do not believe in a God, you do not need WLG either. Its all sweet.
I suppose you'll have to discredit all of history then....it's all written by "men you've never met, who talk about many men you've never met, who all are supposed to talk about men you have never met! You are a Sucker! If you want to, [believe those men], but do not go in the fact business, it's a pain."
@JamesJon1187 History in general does not sell to me the Idea that I am dirty and sinful at birth, history in general does not ask me to surrender my reason, it does not criticize me and it does not threat me with hell. So being completely obedient to a guy I never met, and no one outside his small club of friends have met, is just too far fetched for me. History is not absolute, as we lack the details although we have tonnes of texts. Holy Books are too small, erroneous and absolute.
You poor thing.You're right, man is inheritely good by nature.Certainly not sinful (Gosh! How politically uncorrect and unflattering that thought is!). Mine and the Bible's bad.Better go correct that.
"Hey everyone!Guess what?Man is inheritally good!Hiphip hooray!Now we can truly live in love and peace! because(it's so obvious how could I have missed it?) he's not sinful!"
- It's just too bad what we see in the world doesn't line up with this enlightened "common sense reasoning" .
@JamesJon1187 What are you talking about? You people think too black and white to make sense of the world. We are born with certain potential for knowledge or ignorance, for good or bad. Some of us will grow to be workers, some teachers and a few murderers. That is far both from "all being born sinners" and "all being born inherently good". However all are being born inherently human, thats the bloody point. Their actions in life decide their character, not them exiting the vagina at birth.
The big lie in your humanistic reasoning is, there's no absolute truth (except pertaining to science & history - I think you don't see those as relative too. I hope not). Yes, there is relative righteousness, certainly, but "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"... THat's the fact. "No one is good, but God/Jesus alone."
@ONESPECIES Relatively good yes, but truly good, no.... and until you acknowledge God is the source fo truth (which He is) everything will be muddy and cloudily relative....just like a Nazi who beat unconscious a Jew instead of killing 15 is a relatively good Nazi... for those seeing only those two, but of course, when you compare him the man with the man who simply punched the waiter because he was "annoying"... he's a bad man, and the puncher is relatively good, looking at only those two
& when you compare the puncher with someone who simply gave the finger, he's a bad man and the other relatively good...etc. The point is you can't make honestly true judgements in a world in which there is only “relative truth”. You've got to find the absolute perfection and absolute truth and from there look and see things as they truly are.
Here's the fact about God and Satan... believe it or not. True genuine love (which is what God/Jesus is) is perfection and life and light. Pride is the motivating force of "man's nature" (I'm not saying all men are motivated by pride for all they do, but it is "man's nature" truly). Love and pride are antithetical.
If you ever get tired of chasing your whispy human reasoning and just want to know the truth, Jesus is the truth. Come to Him while you still can.
@JamesJon1187 If love and pride are antithetical, why is your lord proud? Plz stop with the dogma. I was a Christian 2 decades ago, and it was somewhat ok but it felt silly, I aint going back. I would feel like an idiot doing something I believe is silly.
@ONESPECIES Jesus is proud...heh, what a thought...I don't know what you define pride as..I thought you'd at least know the meaning of that word.
Yeah, it felt silly cuz pride was the one thing it (if it was a genuine Christian household you grew up in) conflicted with. All you can do with love is give it and receive it. Not too much room for self-gloriifcation there, though plenty for true joy there as children and their love best illustrate.
If you meant about "Lord being proud". Why isn't Jesus "nice" always for all eternity & just let man say "No I'm my own God, I do not need to listen to you" & Jesus says "Hey, that's cool, yeah I dig that. No problem here." We'd know He's really not God thenwouldn't we?God is God. Man is man. God does love man so much as to take man's deserved punishment for sin on HImself to make a way to reconcile him to Him, but in the end.Man will never be God no matter what. GOd will always be.
-Don't hold a happy (for U) double standard when coming to the Bible then discard it when U come to what you label in your self-appointed "critical supperiority" as "valid" - which [likely] incidentally coincides with your "I am God & the center of the universe" world view. Remember, that's the world view evil dictators hold:"I am God! I can choose whatever I will & do whatever I want! I am worthy worship!" If you subscribe to that, you're really a mate of the likes of Kim Jong-il.
@JamesJon1187 WTF? Who says I am god. There are 6,5 Billions of US. Not even Hindus have that many gods. So you believe in a God outside you so that you do not believe you are a god? Thats silly. If I fall from a balcony I am dead, thats not very divine is it? Besides the Piraha people I mentioned are a native, egalitarian tribe, that has no superior and inferior social classifications. The only one that has the Audacity to think one as the center of the Universe is Yahweh. Strawman?
So you aren't one of those "I am God"-ers, I see. Sorry about that.
But you still don't think there is an absolute truth external of yourself by you are held accountable, so in actuality you do think you are you own God--Master of your own self and accountable to no one by default.
Also, you believe that man is not collectively held accountable to an absolute standard (the standard of God's law [of love]).
Truth is whatever everyman perceives it to be... right? IN that case... who are we to say Hitler was really wrong to kill all those Jews?That just your opinion. He had his reasons. Maybe they were the lowest form of humans..& Mao, who are we to say he was wrong to kill those chinese? He believed, he did the right thing.
Can you prove scientifically and historically what he did was wrong? (of course Bible stands to these, I'm just trying to make a point of how incomprehensive [not to mention it's frequent unreiabillity as assumptions and speculations constantly change with time as new evidence or thoughts -including plenty of wrong ones- flow in] your check point of abolute truth is)
You can't? Then I don't expect me to believe what he did was wrong and stop pushing your "faith" on others. BTW you're a fool for thinking so.You arrogant prick. Who are you to decide what's right and wrong. Everyone's got their opinions.What makes yours better than Mao's?
Onespecies, God does exist. Man is sinful (just admit it..stop deceiving yourself..just look in the news) and like it or not He's the one and only God and truth there is. Jesus is Him incarnated.
THat could be good news or that could be bad news depending whether you believe on HIm or not. But know He does love you and yes, you are bad and sinful...possibly not relatively, but objectively you are corrupted (you are not perfectly good). You know that of course.
@JamesJon1187 You talk nonsense. If someone tells me he has an Aunt, that bakes awesome cookies, and that someday he will bring me some, then I need no evidence, it sounds okay, and honestly nothing serious is at risk, I let it slide. If someone tells me I owe money to him, without even knowing him, you are darn right I need evidence. Its not about ME, its about not accepting huge accusations without evidence. To me, even if there was a God, non of the "Holy Books" carry any of his will at all.
I totally agree with thehistoricity of saving us from the fruit stealing ancestor. In fact, I use the same logic of sacrificing to save modern trespassers. A few years ago, my friend came over and was hungry. I pointed out some poptarts, bananas, and bread for toasting, but said please don't eat my grapes. He ate one. So to forgive his cat last May, I torched my car. 3rd day it got back from the shop. All better. Now I won't need to torture him for forever and we can party, also forever.
Again, inconsistencies coupled with consistencies allows us to turn a blind eye to the inconsistencies and blindly follow the consistencies. That's extremism.
@13tharealest Maybe if Lazarus raised himself. And having predicted that he would do so would have helped if he had made that claim. Resurrection does not make Jesus God, but rather demonstrates that he has power over death, proving that he is the author of life and infact God himself.
If my God and Jesus arn't real because you say so, can you tell me how sweet the apple I'm eating is? Didn't think so. It's hard to take any of you seriously on the subject when you haven't experienced God and flat out refuse His love. Just because you want to explain that nagging feeling away with "logic" doesn't mean He goes away from everyone.
Why does Dr. Craig's god make us have to shit everyday ?? Really, why ?? If we are made in the image of god does that mean that god has to shit too ??
Jesus did not sacrifice himself for our sins. He died for the truth, which people cared so little about that they killed him for it. It is no different today, Christians just believe in myths and are emotionally attached to an imagined image of Jesus. People are too afraid to face reality, and would rather like to believe that there is an invisible man ready to save them than to acknowledge that they are the only ones that can change themselves and this world. Go to Truth Contest (dot) com
Mary Magdalene and the women are the essential witnesses to the resurrection story. By today's court room standards they would not be credible witnesses since the Bible says they were afflicted with evil spirits and demons. [Luke 8:2] We would say today that they were mentally ill.
It is also important to note that in Bible accounts, Jesus only showed himself post mortem to his own followers even though he promised to show himself to people of his generation. [Matthew 12:39-40]
If everything WLC says is true about the'Historical events' of Jesus, this still does not prove Jesus rose from the dead, walked through rock... etc. The BEST it proves, is that the people of the time saw an empty tomb and saw someone who looked like Jesus. Notice how WLC does not have an opinion on all the tombs opening up, and dead people wondering the streets... lol
Yes they are. They are also known as the Gospel of John and the Gospel of Luke. However, he seems to be incorrectly interpreting the verses, and his assertions have nothing to do with the resurrection of Jesus.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with other commenters. Your argument is weaker than you think. A better idea would be to use C.S. Lewis's Argument from Desire or Craig's Kalam Cosmological Argument. Personally, my favorite argument for God's existence was created by Anselm in the 11th century:
1. The concept of God is a being than which none greater can be conceived.
2. It is greater to exist than to not exist. Therefore,
The only scholars who have accepted this as fact are apologists.
His comparison of Jesus with Alexander the Great is laughable; the issue is not the time that lapsed between the alleged events and when they were written down, it is the events themselves.
Alexander did some impressive things, but everything he is reported to have done was natural; Jesus supposedly raised the dead, healed the sick, walked on water, controlled weather – supernatural things. See the difference?
@ReaderDan But seriously, your statement is not correct; the Jesus Seminar specifically rejects the resurrection, or that anyone saw Jesus after his death. The Seminar considers Jesus to have been a real person, but not one having any sort of supernatural origin or powers.
I was refering to the four facts Craig mentions. Not whether Christ resurrected or not. The Jesus seminar acknowledges Him as an actual person, that His tomb was empty, that He was indeed killed, and that Joseph or Arimathea (spelling?) provided a tomb. Those are the "statements", sorry I didn't specify. Assumption is a killer. :p :)
@ReaderDan Ah. I hadn't actually heard of the Jesus Seminar before you mentioned it, but I looked it up - yes, in Wkipedia - and in there it says that in fact they consider the empty tomb to be a myth. They do indeed say Jesus was a real person, and that he was killed by the Romans, but not for claiming to be the Son of God, rather because he was a public nuisance. (Talk about strict!)
@MrPhDGuy - They all do ... They all regurgitate Craig's refuted bullshit, time & time again ... It's impossible to make them aware of the fallacies they spew because they take their cues from a logical fallacies shotgun like Craig ... They're wilfully ignorant & cannot be civil ... I've resolved to stop being tolerant of their bullshit & call them on it everytime ...
Oh, are you still here? Ah, and 18 of us are the same person with different names now. Riight. And there are still only a handfull of religions in the world according to you, I suppose? Still havn't googled that list of world religions like we told you to? Its ok, carry on being a retard troll. I'mma go back to having a life, something that you wouldn't know about.
Are you going to block EastOfForever or what? He's trying to pick fights with just about everyone here and seems to think everyone posting is the same person, he's obviously a troll and the comments are going to shit with him here.
It's not a scam. God is everything. He created life on Earth and the Universe. You say evolution did it. Well evolution must be pretty damn smart to create something as wonderful as a human being that's all I can say. Evolution IS God.
@1Thompsonmusic - It's clear you have no understanding of evolution. No one says evolution created the cosmos or life. You're building a straw man. Evolution merely explains the diversity of life. It's best to understand what you're talking about before you knock it. You don't,.
Pathetic and desperate, says the guy desperately trying to bring back up a nearly 3 month old debate so he can troll so more. Do you really have nothing else to do?
You really are just trying to start up this debate again with those insults. Just have a look at the two highest rated comments, will ya? You said I couldn't name 5 religions, I told you to google a list instead of wasting time, and then you started your crybaby tactics when it was clear you were wrong.
CRAIG IN SUMMATION : I don't understand & I can't reason otherwise hence, a magic sky-daddy is responsible ... And, I'll relay my ignorance wearing a goofy smirk ...
@johnnyaplseed2121 - Does someone else really need to do you're research for you ? This is common knowledge ... To this day tehy try to wessel around the "trinity doctrine" . Look up the logical law of identitiy ...
3)I'm not sure what Christians would say about that question. Perhaps they would say that we cannot assume precisely God's intentions?4)If Christian doctrine would imply that Jesus never died then it would need to be revised because the historical evidence wouldn't support it.The evidence for Jesus death is probably more impressive then his burial, the empty tomb, etc. But I don't think that is what Christians think. I think they would say that Jesus died in his human nature(mind/body dualists)?
gmacdonald87 3 days ago
Hey, good questions
1 and 2) the question isn't whether Jesus rose from the dead but that God raised him from the dead. If we think that God exits and take the historical evidence for Jesus' burial, the empty tomb, post-mortem appearances, and proclamation of the early disciples to point to the conclusion that God did raise Jesus from the dead then can't we take the comparatively small steps in concluding that God raised him with a properly functioning brain and body?
gmacdonald87 3 days ago
@gmacdonald87 "If we think that God exits." Lol, that God "exists"! There we go.
gmacdonald87 2 days ago
Question.
(1) Wouldent his corpse start to decay after 3 days?
(2) After 3 days his brain's neurons should have all stoped firing and if he was reanimated he would be functionally retarded wouldent he?
(3) Doesnt the act of dying for the sins of mankind kinda not mean much if he comes back as he dident truly sacrifice anything?
(4) if Jesus is god, and god is immortal doesnt that mean he never died at all?
Babylauncher3000 2 weeks ago
@Babylauncher3000 XTIANS SAY JESUS BODY WAS BURIED ON FRIDAY NIGHT. SO WHO CAN SAY HE WAS THERE TILL SUNDAY MORNING. JUST COS THEY SAY HE WAS DISCOVERED GONE ON SUNDAY , DOESNT MEAN HE WAS THERE TILL SUNDAY
mrlogicalman1 2 days ago
Dionysus . His name in Linear B tablets shows he was worshipped from c. 1500—1100 BC by Mycenean Greeks: other traces of Dionysian-type cult have been found in ancient Minoan Crete.E. Kessler states that Dionysian cult had developed into strict monotheism by the 4th century CE; together with Mithraism and other sects the cult formed an instance of "pagan monotheism" in direct competition with Early Christianity during Late Antiquity.
This explains the "one true vine"line in the NT.
nosuchthing8 1 month ago
No, Paul did not see Jesus. He claims to have seen his ghost, which is not a very reliable claim. You might as well claim that you talk to Elvis, and when people point out he died before you could have met him, you answer "well the ghost of Elvis"
Be honest, for once. What kind of deity doesn't even think to have one single person write about Jesus who could have met him. Jesus is a legend, you know it and I know it.
nosuchthing8 1 month ago
No one who wrote about Jesus could have met him, and we don't know who wrote the Gospels, but they were also written long after his supposed death. So there is zero worthwhile evidence for the historicity of Jesus. On the other side, all the evidence seems to point to him not existing : the evidents depicted in the NT (earthquakes, etc.) would have been recorded by the historians of the time. And funny how Jesus was supposed to heal and feed thousands, and yet no one wrote it down. Legend.
nosuchthing8 1 month ago
Seems WLC has never heard of the Egyptian “Book of the Dead” where the life and death of Jesus was plagiarised from. Not to mention the many other religions that has copied the “Book of the Dead” character Horus, giving birth to many other gods like Krishna and Mithra.
JaydeeOldBoy 1 month ago
@JaydeeOldBoy If you were to castrate David Lee Roth you would then end up with William Lane Craig.
MrBeautifulba1 1 month ago
@MrBeautifulba1 hahahahahaha that made me laugh so hard, and I dont even know who david lee roth is.
manwithouthat44 1 month ago
@manwithouthat44 Youtube vanhalen tattoo and see
MrBeautifulba1 1 month ago
@MrBeautifulba1 I looked up google images but didnt get it, then I youtubed your video and lolled like a motherfucker all throughout the video, man I havent laughed so hard in a long time. The resemblance really is uncanny, thats so funny for some reason. Its almost like that smiley cyrus hanna montana show, maybe hes living a double life, alot of christians do lol
manwithouthat44 1 month ago
@manwithouthat44 Fantastic!!
MrBeautifulba1 1 month ago
@MrBeautifulba1 ohman I watched it again and laughed even harder. Its so funny for so many reasons, you really couldnt make up this shit. Im really starting to doubt if it really is not the same person. I mean he cant play an instrument is just dancing there being useless, he has this gay-ish vibe over him, so does william lane craig, this christian gay-ish double life guy. such a dorky dancer. William Lane Craig would dance like that if he would. Great just great, comedy gold.
manwithouthat44 1 month ago
By the way this is my last post on the subject since I don't waste my time arguing with theists about things that they obviously can't see since they are blinded by faith, and faith is of course evidence of nothing. Like the "Christian scientist" who can compartmentalize his profession in his brain from his faith Christians can compartmentalize their faith from reality. The bible is the most contradictory and inconsistent work of literature that was never meant to be a work of history.
chatpilot 2 months ago
The only reason Christianity is even around today is because of Constantine, the backing of the Roman empire, the military might of Rome, and its coercion of the masses to accept it as truth through politics and legislation in favor of the Christian religion. There is no evidence of the existence of Jesus anywhere outside of the gospel accounts. And what little so called evidence is available has been tampered with by the church throughout history. The church dictated doctrine for many years.
chatpilot 2 months ago
Finally, the so called "facts" of Jesus resurrection that Craig points out in this video are not facts in the traditional sense. These so called facts have not been historically proven by anyone in any scientific or historic field of research that might be relative to this case. Merriam Webster defines fact as :' the quality of being actual : actuality a question of fact hinges on evidence.' The resurrection of Christ in this sense is not a fact.
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot Thats not quite accurate. The crucifixion and the empty tomb adhere to the criteria of historicity called multiple attestation. Both the scriptures and the Jewish leadership said that the tomb was empty. The latter accusing the apostles of stealing the body.
AegeanKing 2 months ago
@AegeanKing You are missing my point, you can't use the bible for your so called multiple attestation defense because it has not been proven to be historically accurate. There are no extra-biblical secular sources that corroborate the trial and crucifixion of Christ as an actual historical event. If everyone were to take everything in the bible as fact, we would not have anything to argue about. To date no one knows where Jesus alleged tomb is located. The so called "evidence" is circumstantial.
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot "Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, “He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy. Whosoever has anything to say in his defense, let him come and declare it.” As nothing was brought forward in his defense, he was hanged on Passover Eve." - Babylonian Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin (43a)
AegeanKing 2 months ago
@chatpilot By your unrealistically high standard for the establishment of historical facts, nothing can be known about any historical figure. The MAJORITY of ancient history is known only through one maybe two documents. The life and conquests of Alexander the great are considered historical facts and yet we only have accounts hundreds of years later. By your standard, we should dismiss all ancient history that has only one source. You're ignorant of historical methodology.
AegeanKing 2 months ago
@AegeanKing If I am ignorant of historical methodology then you must be blinded by your faith. The difference between Alexander and other historical figures is that they did not have their documents corrupted by a church that was trying to become the dominant religion of the then known world through the use of political force. You don't even know what Jesus last name was. Why? Because the bible does not give it to you. Christ as you might know is not a proper name but a title.
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot We have plenty of extrabiblical references from the first and early second century that shows that the belief of Jesus being the Son of God goes right to the beginning. Clement of Rome, a student of the Apostle Peter, wrote an epistles to the Corinthians in the year 96 espousing the exact same thing as the Bible and even quoting the Bible. You can read it for yourself. Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna, also students of the Apostles, did the same thing. CONT>
AegeanKing 2 months ago
@chatpilot There is no corrupted church. You obviously don't know the first thing about Christian history or the writings of the Apostolic fathers or the Greek fathers or any in the line of apostolic succession through the episcopacy of the ancient patriarchates. Btw, why do I need to know Jesus last name? Is that relevant to my salvation? No, it isnt. Just like I dont need to know what his favorite food was.
AegeanKing 2 months ago
@AegeanKing The church fathers were a bunch of megalomaniacal nut jobs. Your post leads me to believe you might be Catholic, if so that explains why you cling so tenaciously to your myths. All you are doing is repeating the same b.s. apologetics the church has been teaching for years. All of that garbage is based on St. Aquinas so called twisted reasoning. News flash there is no evidence that Jesus ever existed and there never will be. Finally, the dead do not come back lol.
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot First, Im not Catholic. Im Eastern Orthodox. You propbably don't even know what that is. Secondly, your objections commit the genetic fallacy. You have no idea who the Church fathers were or what they were like and I doubt you have even read a single work by them. Third, the Church has never surpressed any scriptures. That very accusation shows your complete ignorance on Church history and cannonization methodology. Educate yourself instead of drinking the kool-aide.
AegeanKing 2 months ago
@AegeanKing I'm done with you. Asking me to educate myself, this coming from a brain washed deluded idiot who doesn't know any better. Go drown yourself in your delusions clown. The church never suppressed any scriptures or even edited historical documents in their favor? It seems like it is you who are uneducated on these matters and needs to read a book or two on church history. Keep waiting on Jesus one day he might just find his way back to Earth Lol what a nut job!
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot You are done with me because I destroyed your absurd accusations and you haven no retort. I know more about Church history and church councils than you could ever hope to know in a life time. There was no suppression of any "scriptures". There was suppression of spurious documents that did not fit the criteria of holy tradition through the episcopacy. Not that you even know what Holy tradition is or how it works to begin with. Educate yourself.
AegeanKing 2 months ago
@AegeanKing You haven't destroyed anything, all you have shown is that your are thoroughly indoctrinated by your church. I've read your stupid bible four times in its entirety and was a practicing xtian myself before abandoning my beliefs in ancient myths. There is no way to objectively prove that Jesus rose from the dead outside of the scriptures. And unfortunately the church fathers reports don't count. That's like asking a used car salesman if the lemon you are about to buy is any good.
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot If you actually read my comments, you will see that I never used the Church fathers in order to establish the resurrection. I used the Apostolic Fathers (Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp) to show that the scriptures have not been doctored in order to teach the resurrection. You are obviously uneducated about Christianity and reading the Bible does not teach you anything about Church history or councils. All you said in reply were genetic fallacies and ad hominem. Get educated.
AegeanKing 1 month ago
@AegeanKing The church has been known to suppress and corrupt the scriptures to suit their needs. What do you think the Crusades and the various inquisitions were about? Christianity is the most disgusting and intolerant religion on the face of the earth next to Islam. Read a real book on church history not the churches sanitized version.
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot By the way I don't mean to jump in your conversation but you are very ignorant of the Middle East tradition and this shows you havent done your homework on the subject.
First of all in the Middle East, Egypt and Israel we do not use Last names even to this day. We go by the your Name then your fathers name then your grandfathers name... but up till the 1900 people used titles.. such as: Peter + Baker - if he was a baker... Since Christ had no father they used his Title (Christ).
DivineAegis02 2 months ago
@DivineAegis02 I know all of this but you can only say but so much to defend your position in a commentary section with limited words. Thanks for your input though.
chatpilot 2 months ago
@chatpilot Thanks for your input, I was reading your comment about the Crusades but with all due respect I would have to say you have no idea what you are talking about. The Crusades were triggered after Fatimid Muslim caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah burned down the Church of the Holy Sepulcher 1009, by then the Eastern Christians were asking for help vs the Islamic army and the West send down the Crusaders.. after they proved heretical in 1204 they were excommunicated and tortured for treason.
DivineAegis02 1 month ago
@chatpilot (2) The 4th Crusade in 1204 instead of liberating the Christians desecrated, raped and burned the Church of Haga Sofia in Constantinople and started a huge rift between the Roman Catholics and E.Orthodox Church.. The Crusaders while not all of them did heritical things many (known as the Knights Templar) span and the cross and raped christian women, they were put condemned and executed, those that survived swore revenge vs the R.C's and they also used the symbol of the Illuminati..
DivineAegis02 1 month ago
@AegeanKing : Actually if Jesus had done half of what was claimed (healed and resurrected and fed thousands magically) someone would have written it down or wrote a letter to someone. Like Paul (but he never met Jesus. dang). Everything points to legend : No one wrote about Jesus when he was around, and as the legend grew so did the writings.
nosuchthing8 1 month ago
@nosuchthing8 First, you dont know that nobody ever wrote about Jesus. The earliest writings we have about Alexander the Great come hundreds of years after Alexanders death. Yet, it is almost unthinkable to think that people did not write about him during his life. Secondly, the Jews, in their Babylonian Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin 43a, it clearly states that a man named "Yeshua" had disciples and was hung on passover for leading Israel astray and for "sorcery".
AegeanKing 1 month ago
There is absolutely no external sources that verify the historical crucifixion or resurrection of Christ whatsoever! You would think that such an monumental event would have caught the interests of historians of the day who were in the region, yet you hear nothing from that time period outside the N.T. to corroborate those stories. It takes a hell of a lot of mental gymnastics to smooth over the many contradictions in the gospels themselves to make this story even remotely coherent.
chatpilot 2 months ago
My biggest issue with Craig's argument is that he starts from a presupposition that the bodily resurrection of Christ was a fact based on faith, and then goes on to prove his case. The problem with this is that the resurrection story is blatantly self contradictory as it is told in the synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Not to mention that the gospels are based on hearsay, and not firsthand accounts as many who have not taken the trouble to learn have been led to believe.
chatpilot 2 months ago
If 23andme sequenced Jesus' DNA, how much Neanderthal DNA would it show that Jesus had?
MrAdvancedAtheist 2 months ago
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I look forward to the coming "Jesus who?" era. Christianity can't get away from the fact that it started out as a doomsday cult based on a story about an unnatural, spooky baby who grew up and became a zombie. Just the embarrassment factor alone tends to work against the spread of this superstition in the modern world.
MrAdvancedAtheist 2 months ago
For all of those people citing the bible and the versus in are taking each verse out of context. To understand anything from the bible to its fullest you must read the entire context of the book. Thefore anything said by those of you who ask us christians to read one passage are nieve and not truly disproving anything. Please comment when you read the entire book and understand it. Also he is only proving that the resurrection occurred in an actual place and at an actual time.
bthodge11 3 months ago
68 atheist hate to hear truth
KingDcome11 3 months ago
Dr. Lane, Lucifer was right about one thing, The more intelligent we become the more ignorant we get; about the one who is responsible for creating us? As it is written: For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. You are made of dust Dr. Lane and dust shall thou return: Isaiah 55:8,9 By the way; GOD does not have a beginning.
BOAZCHJ 4 months ago
Dr. Craig:
Did the Jews and the Romans launch a man-hunt to break the legs of the resurrected Jesus walking around publicly upon discovering his empty tomb? and Why not?
FactualVSFictional 5 months ago
@FactualVSFictional Because upon rising His legs couldn't be broken
longof99 4 months ago
@FactualVSFictional It's also been said that Jesus had his legs broken while he was on the cross. I wish you muppets would make your minds up
daverigby23 2 months ago
Who was Dr Craig debating here? He appears to be a clergyman. So I'm wondering was he debating AGAINST the historicity of the resurrection????
spireman50 5 months ago
To anyone who claims to be a true christian, read Mark 16:17-18, drink a bottle of arsenic and get back to me on that.
ManFromEarth1000 6 months ago
@ManFromEarth1000
In full knowledge that you don't believe in God nor the BIble as the word of God and that because of this you're inclined to not seek to understand the actual context nor the intended meaning/message that is being portrayed, read the context and get back to me.
Have a nice day.
DanPrinMan 5 months ago
Wouldn't it suck for Christians if Jesus died later, like Lazarus?
MrAdvancedAtheist 7 months ago
@MrAdvancedAtheist
Interesting point.
DanPrinMan 5 months ago
Jesus is coming...get a towel.
jeremyrfritz 7 months ago
Christians in the 21st Century really should give it up as hopeless. Christianity started out as a doomsday cult based on a ghost story about a guy who rose from the dead. Today's christians have pinned their hopes on THAT?
MrAdvancedAtheist 7 months ago
one must first presuppose god exists to arrive at the conclusion that jesus was resurrected, and that is not science. the word translated resurrection is Anastasis and it is passive, that is its an action being performed on the subject.
OpenAirAtheist 8 months ago
@OpenAirAtheist True but i am sure William has his reasons for his belief that God exist.
Onetruthrgv 8 months ago
Soooo, like the Piraha would say, you believe, a man you have never met, who talks about many men you have never met, who all are supposed to talk about a man you have never met! You are Sucker! If you want to, have faith, but please do not go in the fact business, its a pain. UFO's have the exact proof with Jesus. Second hand jabber. If you got faith in your God you do not need shitty philosophy by WLG. If you do not believe in a God, you do not need WLG either. Its all sweet.
ONESPECIES 8 months ago
@ONESPECIES
I suppose you'll have to discredit all of history then....it's all written by "men you've never met, who talk about many men you've never met, who all are supposed to talk about men you have never met! You are a Sucker! If you want to, [believe those men], but do not go in the fact business, it's a pain."
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@JamesJon1187 History in general does not sell to me the Idea that I am dirty and sinful at birth, history in general does not ask me to surrender my reason, it does not criticize me and it does not threat me with hell. So being completely obedient to a guy I never met, and no one outside his small club of friends have met, is just too far fetched for me. History is not absolute, as we lack the details although we have tonnes of texts. Holy Books are too small, erroneous and absolute.
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@ONESPECIES
You poor thing.You're right, man is inheritely good by nature.Certainly not sinful (Gosh! How politically uncorrect and unflattering that thought is!). Mine and the Bible's bad.Better go correct that.
"Hey everyone!Guess what?Man is inheritally good!Hiphip hooray!Now we can truly live in love and peace! because(it's so obvious how could I have missed it?) he's not sinful!"
- It's just too bad what we see in the world doesn't line up with this enlightened "common sense reasoning" .
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@JamesJon1187 What are you talking about? You people think too black and white to make sense of the world. We are born with certain potential for knowledge or ignorance, for good or bad. Some of us will grow to be workers, some teachers and a few murderers. That is far both from "all being born sinners" and "all being born inherently good". However all are being born inherently human, thats the bloody point. Their actions in life decide their character, not them exiting the vagina at birth.
ONESPECIES 7 months ago
@ONESPECIES
The big lie in your humanistic reasoning is, there's no absolute truth (except pertaining to science & history - I think you don't see those as relative too. I hope not). Yes, there is relative righteousness, certainly, but "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"... THat's the fact. "No one is good, but God/Jesus alone."
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@ONESPECIES Relatively good yes, but truly good, no.... and until you acknowledge God is the source fo truth (which He is) everything will be muddy and cloudily relative....just like a Nazi who beat unconscious a Jew instead of killing 15 is a relatively good Nazi... for those seeing only those two, but of course, when you compare him the man with the man who simply punched the waiter because he was "annoying"... he's a bad man, and the puncher is relatively good, looking at only those two
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@ONESPECIES
& when you compare the puncher with someone who simply gave the finger, he's a bad man and the other relatively good...etc. The point is you can't make honestly true judgements in a world in which there is only “relative truth”. You've got to find the absolute perfection and absolute truth and from there look and see things as they truly are.
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@ONESPECIES
Here's the fact about God and Satan... believe it or not. True genuine love (which is what God/Jesus is) is perfection and life and light. Pride is the motivating force of "man's nature" (I'm not saying all men are motivated by pride for all they do, but it is "man's nature" truly). Love and pride are antithetical.
If you ever get tired of chasing your whispy human reasoning and just want to know the truth, Jesus is the truth. Come to Him while you still can.
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@JamesJon1187 If love and pride are antithetical, why is your lord proud? Plz stop with the dogma. I was a Christian 2 decades ago, and it was somewhat ok but it felt silly, I aint going back. I would feel like an idiot doing something I believe is silly.
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@ONESPECIES Jesus is proud...heh, what a thought...I don't know what you define pride as..I thought you'd at least know the meaning of that word.
Yeah, it felt silly cuz pride was the one thing it (if it was a genuine Christian household you grew up in) conflicted with. All you can do with love is give it and receive it. Not too much room for self-gloriifcation there, though plenty for true joy there as children and their love best illustrate.
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@ONESPECIES
If you meant about "Lord being proud". Why isn't Jesus "nice" always for all eternity & just let man say "No I'm my own God, I do not need to listen to you" & Jesus says "Hey, that's cool, yeah I dig that. No problem here." We'd know He's really not God thenwouldn't we?God is God. Man is man. God does love man so much as to take man's deserved punishment for sin on HImself to make a way to reconcile him to Him, but in the end.Man will never be God no matter what. GOd will always be.
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@ONESPECIES
-Don't hold a happy (for U) double standard when coming to the Bible then discard it when U come to what you label in your self-appointed "critical supperiority" as "valid" - which [likely] incidentally coincides with your "I am God & the center of the universe" world view. Remember, that's the world view evil dictators hold:"I am God! I can choose whatever I will & do whatever I want! I am worthy worship!" If you subscribe to that, you're really a mate of the likes of Kim Jong-il.
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@JamesJon1187 WTF? Who says I am god. There are 6,5 Billions of US. Not even Hindus have that many gods. So you believe in a God outside you so that you do not believe you are a god? Thats silly. If I fall from a balcony I am dead, thats not very divine is it? Besides the Piraha people I mentioned are a native, egalitarian tribe, that has no superior and inferior social classifications. The only one that has the Audacity to think one as the center of the Universe is Yahweh. Strawman?
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@ONESPECIES
So you aren't one of those "I am God"-ers, I see. Sorry about that.
But you still don't think there is an absolute truth external of yourself by you are held accountable, so in actuality you do think you are you own God--Master of your own self and accountable to no one by default.
Also, you believe that man is not collectively held accountable to an absolute standard (the standard of God's law [of love]).
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
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@ONESPECIES
Truth is whatever everyman perceives it to be... right? IN that case... who are we to say Hitler was really wrong to kill all those Jews?That just your opinion. He had his reasons. Maybe they were the lowest form of humans..& Mao, who are we to say he was wrong to kill those chinese? He believed, he did the right thing.
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@ONESPECIES
Can you prove scientifically and historically what he did was wrong? (of course Bible stands to these, I'm just trying to make a point of how incomprehensive [not to mention it's frequent unreiabillity as assumptions and speculations constantly change with time as new evidence or thoughts -including plenty of wrong ones- flow in] your check point of abolute truth is)
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@ONESPECIES
You can't? Then I don't expect me to believe what he did was wrong and stop pushing your "faith" on others. BTW you're a fool for thinking so.You arrogant prick. Who are you to decide what's right and wrong. Everyone's got their opinions.What makes yours better than Mao's?
Onespecies, God does exist. Man is sinful (just admit it..stop deceiving yourself..just look in the news) and like it or not He's the one and only God and truth there is. Jesus is Him incarnated.
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@ONESPECIES
THat could be good news or that could be bad news depending whether you believe on HIm or not. But know He does love you and yes, you are bad and sinful...possibly not relatively, but objectively you are corrupted (you are not perfectly good). You know that of course.
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
@JamesJon1187 You talk nonsense. If someone tells me he has an Aunt, that bakes awesome cookies, and that someday he will bring me some, then I need no evidence, it sounds okay, and honestly nothing serious is at risk, I let it slide. If someone tells me I owe money to him, without even knowing him, you are darn right I need evidence. Its not about ME, its about not accepting huge accusations without evidence. To me, even if there was a God, non of the "Holy Books" carry any of his will at all.
ONESPECIES 7 months ago
Pure and simple. It happened.
9pt9 8 months ago
@9pt9 Amen! Praise be to God!
JamesJon1187 7 months ago
I totally agree with thehistoricity of saving us from the fruit stealing ancestor. In fact, I use the same logic of sacrificing to save modern trespassers. A few years ago, my friend came over and was hungry. I pointed out some poptarts, bananas, and bread for toasting, but said please don't eat my grapes. He ate one. So to forgive his cat last May, I torched my car. 3rd day it got back from the shop. All better. Now I won't need to torture him for forever and we can party, also forever.
Enginmaster 8 months ago
This in fact is proof for the resurrection of stupidity.
amegoulis 8 months ago
Again, inconsistencies coupled with consistencies allows us to turn a blind eye to the inconsistencies and blindly follow the consistencies. That's extremism.
tadpoleposition 9 months ago
what a joke..
beyondthelol 9 months ago
Historicity, is that a made up word?
tankman1962 10 months ago
@tankman1962
No, it's not a made up word. 'Historicity' is a common word among historians.
Peace-
philosophy7575 9 months ago
This guy is as much a Doctor as Captain Kangaroo is a captain.
MrKGatl 10 months ago
@MrKGatl
Craig has two earned doctorates, actually. One from the University of Birmingham and the other from the University of Munich.
philosophy7575 9 months ago
@philosophy7575 and louvane I think
cheesemonkey1990 9 months ago
If the resurrection makes Jesus god, then Lazarus is also god.
13tharealest 10 months ago
@13tharealest Maybe if Lazarus raised himself. And having predicted that he would do so would have helped if he had made that claim. Resurrection does not make Jesus God, but rather demonstrates that he has power over death, proving that he is the author of life and infact God himself.
thequantumvacuum 10 months ago
If my God and Jesus arn't real because you say so, can you tell me how sweet the apple I'm eating is? Didn't think so. It's hard to take any of you seriously on the subject when you haven't experienced God and flat out refuse His love. Just because you want to explain that nagging feeling away with "logic" doesn't mean He goes away from everyone.
joshie4330 10 months ago
Why does Dr. Craig's god make us have to shit everyday ?? Really, why ?? If we are made in the image of god does that mean that god has to shit too ??
MrBeautifulba1 10 months ago
Jesus did not sacrifice himself for our sins. He died for the truth, which people cared so little about that they killed him for it. It is no different today, Christians just believe in myths and are emotionally attached to an imagined image of Jesus. People are too afraid to face reality, and would rather like to believe that there is an invisible man ready to save them than to acknowledge that they are the only ones that can change themselves and this world. Go to Truth Contest (dot) com
DemianHermann 10 months ago
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Mary Magdalene and the women are the essential witnesses to the resurrection story. By today's court room standards they would not be credible witnesses since the Bible says they were afflicted with evil spirits and demons. [Luke 8:2] We would say today that they were mentally ill.
It is also important to note that in Bible accounts, Jesus only showed himself post mortem to his own followers even though he promised to show himself to people of his generation. [Matthew 12:39-40]
ebaltrace 10 months ago
Thanks for sharing. I was blessed.
manyviewsorg 11 months ago
If everything WLC says is true about the'Historical events' of Jesus, this still does not prove Jesus rose from the dead, walked through rock... etc. The BEST it proves, is that the people of the time saw an empty tomb and saw someone who looked like Jesus. Notice how WLC does not have an opinion on all the tombs opening up, and dead people wondering the streets... lol
jimnebob 11 months ago
@kutless45
Yes they are. They are also known as the Gospel of John and the Gospel of Luke. However, he seems to be incorrectly interpreting the verses, and his assertions have nothing to do with the resurrection of Jesus.
connormighell 11 months ago
@1Thompsonmusic
Unfortunately, I have to agree with other commenters. Your argument is weaker than you think. A better idea would be to use C.S. Lewis's Argument from Desire or Craig's Kalam Cosmological Argument. Personally, my favorite argument for God's existence was created by Anselm in the 11th century:
1. The concept of God is a being than which none greater can be conceived.
2. It is greater to exist than to not exist. Therefore,
3. God exists.
connormighell 11 months ago
@connormighell I can conceive of a lot of things; doesn't make them true.
GalapagosPete 10 months ago
@MegaCaracolillo
Those are not in the cannon of scripture.
kutless45 11 months ago
The only scholars who have accepted this as fact are apologists.
His comparison of Jesus with Alexander the Great is laughable; the issue is not the time that lapsed between the alleged events and when they were written down, it is the events themselves.
Alexander did some impressive things, but everything he is reported to have done was natural; Jesus supposedly raised the dead, healed the sick, walked on water, controlled weather – supernatural things. See the difference?
GalapagosPete 11 months ago
@GalapagosPete
People from the Jesus Seminar agree with these statements.
ReaderDan 10 months ago
@ReaderDan If by "these statements" you mean mine, then I must congratulate them on their perspicacity!
GalapagosPete 10 months ago
@ReaderDan But seriously, your statement is not correct; the Jesus Seminar specifically rejects the resurrection, or that anyone saw Jesus after his death. The Seminar considers Jesus to have been a real person, but not one having any sort of supernatural origin or powers.
GalapagosPete 10 months ago
@GalapagosPete
I was refering to the four facts Craig mentions. Not whether Christ resurrected or not. The Jesus seminar acknowledges Him as an actual person, that His tomb was empty, that He was indeed killed, and that Joseph or Arimathea (spelling?) provided a tomb. Those are the "statements", sorry I didn't specify. Assumption is a killer. :p :)
ReaderDan 10 months ago
@ReaderDan Ah. I hadn't actually heard of the Jesus Seminar before you mentioned it, but I looked it up - yes, in Wkipedia - and in there it says that in fact they consider the empty tomb to be a myth. They do indeed say Jesus was a real person, and that he was killed by the Romans, but not for claiming to be the Son of God, rather because he was a public nuisance. (Talk about strict!)
GalapagosPete 10 months ago
@EastofForever - It's just so easy ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket
He's a troll, we pwned him here three months ago and he's still butthurt about it. He came back to pick the same fights.
MrPhDGuy 1 year ago
@MrPhDGuy - They all do ... They all regurgitate Craig's refuted bullshit, time & time again ... It's impossible to make them aware of the fallacies they spew because they take their cues from a logical fallacies shotgun like Craig ... They're wilfully ignorant & cannot be civil ... I've resolved to stop being tolerant of their bullshit & call them on it everytime ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket What fallacies are there? If I can refute them I want to do so....
longof99 1 year ago
@longof99 - They've already been refuted , time & time again ... When presented with reason, they simply glaze over & cite a Bible verse ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket In that case, thank you for not answering my question...
longof99 1 year ago
@longof99 - Are you asking me to point out Craig's fallacies ? Or are you refuting that there are fallacies ?
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket the fallacies so I can have ammunition to refute them...thank you..
longof99 1 year ago
@EastofForever Half Russian! Your about as childish as it gets dude come on! Come back with something worth my time your boring!
wachnathan 1 year ago
@EastofForever I see your a pretty big smack talker but you can't back it up can you?
wachnathan 1 year ago
@EastofForever Fail? Just cause you say it doesn't make it true comrade!
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
He's a troll, we pwned him here three months ago and he's still butthurt about it.
MrPhDGuy 1 year ago
@EastofForever What does it matter to you?
wachnathan 1 year ago
@EastofForever
Thats right, everyone on youtube is secretly the same person, all out to get you.
/facepalm
Bet you never googled that list. If you did, admit you were wrong and get on with your life, if you have one.
MrPhDGuy 1 year ago
@EastofForever
*Yawn*
Oh, are you still here? Ah, and 18 of us are the same person with different names now. Riight. And there are still only a handfull of religions in the world according to you, I suppose? Still havn't googled that list of world religions like we told you to? Its ok, carry on being a retard troll. I'mma go back to having a life, something that you wouldn't know about.
MrPhDGuy 1 year ago 2
Are you going to block EastOfForever or what? He's trying to pick fights with just about everyone here and seems to think everyone posting is the same person, he's obviously a troll and the comments are going to shit with him here.
MrPhDGuy 1 year ago 2
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@EastofForever No im not, Christianity, you KNOW its a scam.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@EastofForever Christianity, you KNOW its a scam.
Aspartame69 1 year ago 3
@EastofForever Christainity, you KNOW its a scam.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
It's not a scam. God is everything. He created life on Earth and the Universe. You say evolution did it. Well evolution must be pretty damn smart to create something as wonderful as a human being that's all I can say. Evolution IS God.
1Thompsonmusic 1 year ago
@1Thompsonmusic - It's clear you have no understanding of evolution. No one says evolution created the cosmos or life. You're building a straw man. Evolution merely explains the diversity of life. It's best to understand what you're talking about before you knock it. You don't,.
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@1Thompsonmusic Or that God used evolution to create us and created our soul's.
seonf 1 year ago
ahahaha that eastoffucktard guy is still crying over having lost months ago, clear troll, video poster should block him.
MrPhDGuy 1 year ago 4
@EastofForever
Life. Please get one. This has been dead for three months, I'm not biting your little troll digs.
tipoomaster 1 year ago 9
@EastofForever and you thought YOU were a good troll :)
Aspartame69 1 year ago 4
@Aspartame69
This EOF retard thinks we're all the same people, lmao! Very obvious troll. Good job trolling the troll, haha.
tipoomaster 1 year ago 7
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@EastofForever silly christain tard.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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@EastofForever silly christain tard.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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@EastofForever silly christain tard.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@EastofForever silly christain tard.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@EastofForever
Pathetic and desperate, says the guy desperately trying to bring back up a nearly 3 month old debate so he can troll so more. Do you really have nothing else to do?
tipoomaster 1 year ago 2
@EastofForever
Pathetic is bringing back up a debate that happened back in October. Get over it.
tipoomaster 1 year ago 3
@EastofForever
Are you just trying to bring back every 2 month old debate you were in?
tipoomaster 1 year ago 2
@EastofForever
You really are just trying to start up this debate again with those insults. Just have a look at the two highest rated comments, will ya? You said I couldn't name 5 religions, I told you to google a list instead of wasting time, and then you started your crybaby tactics when it was clear you were wrong.
tipoomaster 1 year ago 3
@EastofForever
Pretty long ass debate not to remember, lol. Not starting that shit up again though.
tipoomaster 1 year ago 2
CRAIG IN SUMMATION : I don't understand & I can't reason otherwise hence, a magic sky-daddy is responsible ... And, I'll relay my ignorance wearing a goofy smirk ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
What is all this nonsense of a nonexistent seal ???
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
The first christians didn't just believe in one god but other ones as well did you mention that Craig?
wachnathan 1 year ago
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@wachnathan What's your source?
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 - The historical recored , I'm sure ... You're not seriously going to contest that , are you ?
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 - Does someone else really need to do you're research for you ? This is common knowledge ... To this day tehy try to wessel around the "trinity doctrine" . Look up the logical law of identitiy ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@wachnathan - They still do ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket I guess.
wachnathan 1 year ago
No, that was a sword in a field .......
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago