Do Copyright Laws Stifle Creativity? - Lawrence Lessig

[TheMusicRack]

We created the only YouTube channel that takes the music for a “test drive” to see if there are any infringement claims. We’ve converted our Channel (TheMusicRack) into a download resource for YouTubers that want to download pre-screened background music and we provide the links. These are ALL Royalty-Free, Creative Commons By-Attribution… If there’s an infringement claim we fight it or pull the video quickly. Our downloads are clean. I invite you and others to comment on our channel

[EggsDontDance]

So if one of my video's has like a 15 second music clip as background music is that considered copyright?

[JonathanShelton1]

I understand wanting to protect your rights to your material but if someone uses a song in a video that gives you the right to sew? If someone used my song in a video id fill happy about it. someone needs to fix these copyright laws.

[luridplanet]

Hell, I got tons of copyrighted material and nobody wants to look at it, let alone steal it LMAO

[Mahakala306]

COPYWRONG

[stamstuff]

just watch the movie "zeitgeist movving forward" here on youtube, and you'll sea much better way for many points in people life, and if you like it, spread the word.

[solisvictor1991]

Where there's money to be made there's Capitalized copyrighting.

[dejawolf]

this video contains copyrighted material, and will be taken down in 3....2.....1.....

[Rashik30]

My AMV which I worked 3 hours on got deleted by 4Kids I don't even see how that CAN'T be a promotion for them.

[atombat]

Pure insanity, everything we produce is in some way a derivative work, where does it end? If someone makes a more succinct statement with parts of your work, jealousy "I want part of the action", "I wish I'd thought of that". and all that other crap comes with it. If they are not doing it for monetary gain, I see no problem. Pity that youtube, being the middleman is the recipient of the money in some way, not the remixer.

[Mahakala306]

A group of young college guys doing a completely accepella rendition of a Lady Gaga's "Pokerface", with no original audio content was recently removed from youtube by Symbolic Digital due to copyright infringemenet!

[AsTimeDilates]

@Mahakala306 Becuase Copyright law protects Lady Gaga's exclusive right to publicly perform her work.  They could have done a cover if they went along with all of the requirements of that exception which I highly doubt they did.

[PortVienna80]

@AsTimeDilates

Who wants to copy Lady Gaga? She got absolutely no talent whatsowever.

[AsTimeDilates]

@PortVienna80 I agree.

[Mahakala306]

A group of young college guys doing a completely accepella rendition of a Lady Gaga's "Pokerface", with no original audio content was recently removed from youtube by Symbolic Digital due to copyright infringemenet! WTF?

[Pitboss306]

youtube dot com backslash watch?v=TOFOffHBanI is a perfect example of this. A group of young college guys doing a completely accepella rendition of a lady gaga song removed due to copyright infringemenet! WTF?

[asdf636365]

The guy is a total moron, no offense!

[MrInstrumentalist]

If you can film your next video inside Starbucks in front of their menu board or inside the gym that you work out in during their busiest hour then you will prove your point about your surroundings not being subject to any infringement. Until then I will say that copyright is protected by law. Some think the concept of a speeding ticket is a fallacy in itself. Some get away with speeding though that does not change the fact that is is law.

[AJALCRINA]

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[MrInstrumentalist]

Copyright laws do not stiffle creativity in my opinion. They promote creativity. If you can't use someone else's material and you wanted to entertain people then you would be forced to "create" something in order to do so. What most folks don't realize is that lots people don't use copyrighted material on YT to "create new ideas": they are only interested in getting more views and popularity and dropping a famous artists names hepls their cause.

[thecostumedanceparty]

@MrInstrumentalist That's not always the case, and I rarely think it is. You can't be creative without using other material. I do dancing videos, so I need music. It's a necessity. The dances and content I create are original, but the music can't be, unless I create my own. The problem here is that I am not a musician.

And then there's the aspect that no idea is original. I use products in my video that aren't mine like wigs, costumes, and even decorations around my area.

[thecostumedanceparty]

@MrInstrumentalist Sorry, I wasn't finished... when I use these materials to promote my videos (stuff around my house, filming in places besides my home, wigs, costumes, etc), does this mean I'm infringing copyright through product placement (which clearly belongs in video)? Music is the same exact thing and should not be considered differently.

Therefore, the concept of copyright is a fallacy in itself. No ideas are brand new; however, we can change them to make them look new and original.

[MrInstrumentalist]

@thecostumedanceparty Just because a person are not a musician does not give that person the right to use a musicians work without their consent. I would like to travel across the country. The problem here is I don't want to buy a car so I'll just take your car , travel around in it and put it back in your driveway after I'm done. At least the makers of the "materials" you used in your video made a sale (you bought that wig) unless you stole it under the guise of fair use also.

[thecostumedanceparty]

@MrInstrumentalist So, you're saying it's legitimate as long as I buy the song? That's cool with me. In theory, I'm buying sound that the musician doesn't own, because musicians didn't create sound to begin with.

[MrInstrumentalist]

@thecostumedanceparty You seem to read copyright law as well as my posts and leave parts of them before you respond to them , like the word "consent" that I put in my post (scroll down). music is not a "sound" but a series of sounds that are notes put together (created) by someone just like a book is a series of words thoughtfully crafted. If you use a g sharp note in your video you are not stealing. If you use the word "mice" in your book then the author of "Of Mice and Men" have no claim.

[MrInstrumentalist]

@thecostumedanceparty We are kind of taking up valuable comment space though because our little debate is really a waste of time. I don;t think any major corporations are going after you for copyright infringement at this point and time so you can keep on doing what you do. My music doesn't appeal to you so I'm not worried about you using any of it either. We can agree to disagree and I'll say you "win".

[thecostumedanceparty]

@MrInstrumentalist Ok, I understand. I wasn't completely disagreeing with what you say. I hear ya, I know what you're saying. And I like this friendly debate, I am just concerned about the whole issue. Thanks!

[MrInstrumentalist]

@thecostumedanceparty I hear ya. actually I came in here and videos like this to get a better understanding of the pro piracy mindset. and to come up with a way to make the pirates work for me. I pretty much know all the reasons people came up with to support their piracy cause and I should really just observe but it's hard for an opinionated man like me to stop talking like I'm rambling on now ha ha.

[thecostumedanceparty]

@Probably my last post here (so we don't mess up the system)...

I'm not into pirating, I just like to use music to complement with my video, if you know what I mean. That's all I'm saying. I have no intentions of stealing.

[RCarnes2008]

What about the Rights of the artist to not have their work used in ways they do not

approve of?

If you had spent your life learning how to write songs how would you feel about

having your song used as the sound track for a video of 'Man get's hit in crotch

with a baseball"

What if they used your love song in a porn video?

Lessig gets paid to reduce creator's rights... not cool...

[fhc1985]

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[hagakure90]

If these copyright laws had existed sooner we would never have seen Andy Warhol's famous Marilyn Monroe series.

It would have been considered a serious case of copyright infringement.

How about that? Or are there exceptions?

Talk about creativity.

[philosophermike]

Youtube. Broadcast Yourself*

[PhoenixMaster00]

Surely Lawrence Lessig can not be the only voice of sanity in the professional world. Laws and companies need to change. I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere between the amateur and professional work. Although i am sure the creative industry big wigs will try and stifle the creative amateurs (who don't make them money) as much as possible.

[mamothmanX]

ha in another sense I think Huxley was right. The fact that hundreds of people try to dance to single ladies doesn't mean that art is flourishing. If anything people are becoming less expressive of themselves and more expressive on other people ideas. however that's another debate that doesn't have much to do with the message of this video

[AlaanHernandez]

por que malditos

[TZMBigsteelguy]

No Money=No Copyright

If we were on a totally different system people should be glad to get they're work copied, but today it is all about the Dollar and taking credit for something they think they own.

Believe it or not everything that we have taken is learned and copied through society. That is an Absolute Truth.

Coping is another word for Sharing and Duplicating.

Laws, Restrictions, Religion and Money Stagnates Growth, Creativity and Art

Time to Evolve

[TZMBigsteelguy]

@TZMBigsteelguy

On another note, i don't own these Words and i copied these words from someone else and put them all together in nice sentences for everyone to read in sentences.

Copying is a natural thing, The question is where do we draw the line, to get to Satisfy our Ego's for something we Create?

[PortVienna80]

@TZMBigsteelguy

We're lucky there's no copyright in nature lol. I can't imagine birds being sued by reptiles for copyright infringment!

[Thelonelyshepherd1]

@PortVienna80 Touché my friend... for that matter, what about the replicator gene that literally all life has? I think it's almost getting to that point where just like the seed company monsanto did by altering the genes in seeds, some company will patten the replicator gene and find away to sue you for being alive! don't ever let anyone impose anything on you! think for your self, give credit where it's due and create create create!

[Kyukidoforms]

@PortVienna80 Wait for it. Someone will sue the government for the rights to it.

[PerfectRaito]

I think that, as long as you dont claim the song etc is YOURS, then i think it should be legal to use any music, as long as you credit the owner etc, and dont say "This is all my work, no other people".

-Raito

[ExoticGawdess]

Do I have to post all of Citizen's Kane in order to use Youtube? No.

Do I have to post all of Sh*tler's List to use Youtube? No and I wouldn't post that Zionist bullsh*t anyway, not even to prove to you how much of a POS it truly is. I wouldn't want to warp your mind with overly impressive cinematic images when what is needed is a fresh perspective.

Don't steal others' work to substitute for your own lack of creativity. Don't be a lazy dumb*ss.

[travelsonic]

@ExoticGawdess Don't generalize against everybody who uploads others stuff on YT and then claim to take the high road, you just end up with egg on your face.

[ExoticGawdess]

@travelsonic

How so?

[ExoticGawdess]

Some might argue that houses stifle freedom of movement therefore, there should be no houses. Kick everyone out of the houses, wait, that was what the mortgage scam was designed to do. They had laws to help them kick everyone out.

Why should copyright owners have any protection? I'm sure there are many people who don't think car owners should have rights either, that's why they steal cars at gunpoint.

Copyrights, such as pest to those who want to plagiarize and steal others work!

[WDHellSOnLineKILLER]

What culture are being build?

You don't believe that drug dealer crap.

There's a criminal activity that is not virtual with a want to make it shit

at the country and city.

Calling others as shields by to listen its crap when they make money from

everyones. And i don't even said anything about those big companies.

[gherkinspeiler]

His body was copyright edited out of the video.

[Janusha]

Why dont every single american just sue every other american and just get it over with.

[luridplanet]

I have copyright material, but nobody want the stuff, so go ahead and swipe them

[EcakCake2]

This man has an excellent point. Plus, tributes and song usage are basically free advertising.

[TutorSAT]

You communist! Way to go! maybe in 20 years we will make something usefull beyond a funny video or a finger painting.

As you make this video, and assume your own views are innovative and original, and you have arrogantly assumed that other people aren't as smart as you and need your input. Are you an innovative personality or just a bipolar mess?

[abdishtar]

I can understand a copyright being on the sale of a product, and having all the legal rights of it. Though I think the law is way to overarching, and really is too strict. The problem is corporatism, and the fact that we've lost our sensibilities when it comes to law.

[jake5fiend]

@abdishtar Blame man for he is who created law.

[Superfoiling]

Name 1 invention that wan't 99% perspiration, and 1 % creativity...

That 99% of hard work and personal investment is what the owner thinks will need to be safeguarded, not the "creativity" of the product.

[rivengle]

@Superfoiling yeah but singing their songs at a camp shouldn't be held under copyright law. (yes it's true it happened. the camp got sued or something)

[YoWhatUpMiNukka]

you should of stopped talking in the middle of the video.

[Protocall13o2]

It's killing creativity. Just getting inspired would seem like i can get in trouble for copyright =\ Copyright is alright, just going too far maybe. Everything in creativity has came from somewhere else... It just seems like its getting limited now with all this craziness of copyright jerks. im just upset, a concept for a comic of mine was considered copyright *shrug* oh wait, so is everything else T_T

[Superfoiling]

Copyright isn't about creativity...THIS IS A MISCONCEPTION. Copyright is about making something that people need...Anybody could make a paperclip, a shamwow, a U2 song...but did you copyright the work that people asked you to devote your time to is the question?

Creative artists are really a dime a dozen. Much of what you see bought and sold is simple to make...its the demand for something that claimant owns.

[zbs511551]

@Superfoiling

Wrong. Paperclips and shamwow are patentable subject matter (ie "useful arts"), but neither is copyrightable.

Copyright seeks "to promote the Progress of Science." Ie the goal is to promote creative expression, and really, only a modicum of creativity is necessary to be copyrightable.

[Mr0Lyons]

im saying this becaues copyrights r dum because theres freedom of speech and freedom of the press,and Congress shall make no law and not even the higest court can make no laws on freedom of speechand freedom of the press.

[JACOBDDIXON13]

i agree its stupid they get there panties in ab bunch cause there songs are 8n the background befor google bought youtube there were very few copywright removed videos since then iv lost over 200 people who have been suspended someone should fix it or one day youtube will die

[kmarinas86]

watch?v=7Q25-S7jzgs (better than the video above) Larry Lessig: How creativity is being strangled by the law

[kmarinas86]

A new class of mental disorder in the DSM-VIII manual published in the year 2057:

Delusions of copyright infringement: A disorder in thinking caused by a false sense of victimization due to the independent development of media and/or machinery that imitates one's creation to such an extent that one is convinced falsely that:

He or she was the first one to invent it.

His or her creation was observed, then used to generate said infringement.

[Hufflewaffle]

aw the cute little dancing baby's mother has been sent to jail. Who are the greedy monsters who would do such a thing!

Thats what we're supposed to think, right?

Why does everyone have the right to be paid for their labor except artists? Its an important question we have to ask about the value we place on creativity these days.

Those clips are not very creative. They may be conversations but are they important? deep? meaningful?

Not really.

The' 21st century' mother should have used email.

[Death2Evil]

@Hufflewaffle

Wow! You're a jerk - I wouldn't expect you to think anything...AT ALL. It may be feckless endeavor, but I'll try to educate you.

Everyone's paid for their work, except artists, you say? How do you think that woman got the music her child was dancing to? Chances are, she paid for it. What? $0.89? Now; How did her video, with such poor audio quality, take away from the artist?

Congratulations. You just said someone's love of their child was not important, deep, or meaningful.

[Hufflewaffle]

She DID NOT buy it. She bought a license to listen to it. period. Music is NOT sold outright because obviously it would only take one person to copy and share it and there would be no incentive for anyone else to buy it. The reason there are laws to stop this is because the musician - who let's say is also a mother with a young baby, cant live off 89c. So where is HER nice mid class home? She has just as much right to provide for her child as 'Stephanie'.

But you obviously don't think so.

[Death2Evil]

The "license," you say? How does this change the fact that the artist got paid?

You're one sad piece of work... A musician doesn't live off of 89 cents - A musician lives off of $0.89XY where "X" is the average number of sales their songs generate, and "Y" is the number of songs they create. Math, kid. Learn it.

The artist is making a fine living, and that the industry shouldn't be going after people like Stephanie.

So... how did Steph's video take away from an artist?

[Hufflewaffle]

Making personal comments like calling me a 'sad piece of work' and a 'jerk' doesn't help your argument, or make it more right. If you want to have a discussion, do so without the personal attacks.

The principal that is being put forward in this video is flawed.

[Death2Evil]

Indeed. Stating that you're a "sad piece of work" and a "jerk" does NOT make me right. What makes me wright is your inability to counter any of my points - said points being (in order):

- Artists are paid (See $0.89XY). And that's not including concerts, live performances, or physical sales.

- You spat on someone's love for their child, and the institution of the family. Yes, sir - I DO attack the moral integrity of your character!

- How do these videos take away from artists?

[Death2Evil]

You see, Hufflewaffle, I do not attack others based on their opinion that red is better than blue or their beliefs on big government, universal healthcare, etc.

You have given me the rare oppurtunity to right an absolute wrong. There's more to this than your baseless opinions on music use - I would see that you learn to respect: children, freedom, love, motherhood, and families.

See previous comment, beginning with "Indeed. Stating that you're a..."

[Death2Evil]

@sdozer1990: Not sure I'm following you entirely, but I agree that musicians can make more than enough money to survive with or without piracy. About a year ago, I saw a study from Harvard that found piracy to be benificial to all, but the top 25% of artists (who're rich anyway).

I support IP for big-budget films, software, and video games, but for lesser medium (indie films, music, photographs, pictures), it just ends up as a tool for abuse.

[HiroshiMizushima]

As some have said or hinted it, it really is all about the money, sadly. It's not about personal safety, it's not about protecting someone's property or even safe guarding someone new in the music or media industry. It's all about the money, and it's just further proof of America's lack of common sense whenever money gets involved. Maybe it's why we're all in debt.

Anyways, that's a rant, and I just wanted to say I agree with Lawrence and what he's saying.

[LoklarYsera]

I'm curious as to the rest of the video.

If the mother wanted to show the video to her family, why did she broadcast it for all the internet to see? Wouldn't an email suffice?

Who makes money when people make a great video an upload it to youtube? Youtube does! Do the people who's creative energy went to create that video earn anything? No!

People who create stuff need to pay their rent too.

[SilaVendethiel]

It's just money. That's all they're after, but still pulling all these videos is hurting THEIR business, damaging THEIR income. This is supposed to be one of the few places we can express ourselves without worrying about what people think or whatever. And a lot of individual artists weren't even aware at the beginning that WMG or Youtube was pulling their music from the site. This isn't going to end until we do something about it.

[NAEAN]

Lawrence Lessig should be the top head of YouTube, and thrash Warner Music Group to the ground.

No questions asked. Everything he said in this video is correct, and YouTube and Warner Music Group know it.

10 stars to this guy.

[bumtownv2]

@NAEAN And since they know, why don't they stop whining about a billion dollars instead of a million dollars and just stay in there place.

[Queen0fcute]

It's sad, really, what society is turning into.

[bumtownv2]

@Queen0fcute I know, you can go to jail for doing what some rich cunt says is illegal. I mean if a rich guy say having breakfast was illegal, than no one can have it.

And what's the difference between us and them? It's hypnotic marketing.

[PureBloodxTomBoy]

TY 4 speaking out the TRUTH!

I'm so sick and tired if all the copyright this, and copyright that.

And they only remove the popular videos 4 copyrite. The videos that make us all happy.

Niga Higa is a PERFECT example. Soon as 1 of there videos reach 1 million veiws they shut it down! D:

Greedy little things, I wouldn't have known half the songs I know now if it weren't 4 Youtube videos.

They should take Youtube as FREE PUBLICITY!!! Not competition. :(

[OmegaWolf747]

Copyright = the new censorship.

[dkdavid721]

agreed

[philosophermike]

My favorite video on youtube

[thewriterfanlJesus]

It's sad so many people don't even know about it. I used to be a ghost writer and I know more than most of the artists I ghost wrote for. But they keep harassing me as a customer, general citzen, and as a writer, even trying to have me blackballed. When they did the abuse 3/4 of the time or had their local friends harass me and fans.

[yojunkzfaded]

once again, i agree with some points but think about the good that comes out of copyright such as young up and coming artists can save there work as their own and no one else can use it, or buy owning it they have te right to sell it to another individual. yes some individuals are overwelmed with greed to the point were they would sue for something as retarded as that. But america is based off over indulgance so we might as well get use to it. it's only gunna get worse if we dont take a stand

[HotHeadVegeta]

Ya know what,tommorrow I'm going to make a video post and it is GOING TO TELL WMG THAT "their" copyrighting stuff is Crap and that I am SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!! F*** THEM

[WolfArden44]

All comes down to GREED,GREED,GREED.

[George21T]

WMG all corporations needs to ban copyright law. i mean youtube says broadcast our self in huge letters not take away out rights.

[prizes99live]

@George21T lol they took broadcast yourself a while ago :C

[TheSchoolsShallBurn]

@George21T ....your comment makes sense.

[BluePounder]

Prince is such a jerk I wouldn't be surprised if this video got pulled just because of the clip showing the baby dancing to a Prince song. Prince is one of the worst when it comes to copyright.

[WMGKilledIt]

This is a Great Video! If this all keeps up, we won't even be able to hum a tune anymore!

I haven't played a CD of mine in over a year!

I am so bitter over WMG and UMG's Greed!

[janetteemccrary]

Another point he should have touched on is the great number of MEMORIAL videos that use music. Music that was played at funerals. Music that was the deceased's favorite. Music that maybe they sang or performed to, on video, in choir or dance... That we cannot share in a memorial video because of copyright. How awful is it to tell the widow, friend, or relative of someone who has just died... to take their stolen crap off the internet? All my memorial videos but one or two have been taken.

[thechoice33]

Very good points, copyright is stupid!

[s4njuro]

I thought he was going to make fun of the kids for their efforts in the music videos, but he actually made a really good point.

Its not hard to prove that there is a lot of crap on youtube, lol

[QuirkyAndSuch]

What incentive do people have to create when they are too busy working in non-creative jobs for a living? That's what happens when you get rid of copyright laws, you allow art to become something anyone can take from anyone; suddenly artistic types can't make a living creating art and instead have to work in jobs that do allow them to make money.

Some copyrighting is needed to help ensure that people can live off of art if they are talented enough to create art and build a following.

[judemoir]

I suppose the point is not to completely eradicate copyright laws. Lessig makes it clear that he wants a balance, between artists getting reward for their innovation, and the public being able to use that. He does not support people making money from copying DVDs for example, but he thinks that stopping people from building on culture is detrimental and only benefits the few fat cats that get all the money!

[swu880]

@judemoir

watch?v=6dMuGnFdQ0s&feature=re­lated

There really is no such thing as new ideas. There is an infinite amount of ideas & they can be infinitely reproduced. There is no scarcity of ideas- in fact its an overabundant!!! so abundant no one has any idea what to do with them

Ideas are unownable & untraceable. No idea is ever created- in fact the even notion of creativity or ownability is contradictory to the very essence of an idea

[CiphersSon]

finally this issue is gaining ground. copyright laws are a farce.

[Ovidius777]

This is just outrageous and it is killing creativity.

Complete freedom of information sharing is necessary for our evolution as humanity

[whoo689]

Extreme copyright regulations are little more than a subtle form of protectionism for the bigwigs who dominate media in this country. You may think it's just "protecting intellectual property" or "preventing someone from being ripped off" and not making a profit, but it's really little more than people going to the government and whining because they don't want to have to compete in an open market when they release their material. They want competition to be closed, in a sense. Pansies

[McArrowni]

They know that as soon as people and artists can reach each other directly, their place as a middle man is gone, and so are they.

[QuirkyAndSuch]

You can still compete if you do it with originality. Nothing is stopping any of these people from creating something original and putting it out there to compete with other artists. The reality is that most people like to copy because it's easy ... but it also requires little talent, which is why it's not worth as much.

Why should a true artist have to compete against their own creation that has been slightly altered?

[whoo689]

If we want to truly be competitive, we need to make the market more open and free. If that means relaxing "intellectual property rights", so be it. If you decide to release something out onto the market, I should be able to use that and other material to make MY OWN intellectual property. After all, is that not less legitimate as an art form than something completely original? It's MY expression. Creativity should be shared by society, not limited by some selfish person who only wants money

[whoo689]

The old economists' fear that, without copyrights and patents, innovators and artists won't be able to sell their products and make enough money, and just anyone will be able to rip them off, is largely a myth nowadays. This is the 2st Century! We're much more high-tech and flexible as a society. We have the Internet. We have much more ways to get rich than 1776 or 1789. Copyright and patent laws have to seriously be updated. The DMCA should be repealed. It's a travesty.

[whoo689]

Copyrights are outdated. This is a MUCH MORE versatile market. It is much freer. Why don't we encourage MORE free-market media and participation by empowering the little guy?

I mean, it's silly that things like recording a video on TV on some channel and selling it is illegal ($250,000 or 5 years in jail)! So what if the company loses a few dollars because an individual sells some copies! Why does it have to be all about money? What about FREEDOM?

[whoo689]

FINALLY someone has spoken out on this issue. I can't tell you how many fucking times Youtube has taken down my videos and banned previous accounts just b/c I happened to use copyrighted content from bigwig corporatiosn like Viacom or WWE, even though the content was YEARS old, and they obviously weren't making anymore money off it.

These fucking corporations just love only being able to use their stuff. It's ridiculous. Why does it matter if someone uses really old material?

[L8nitedave]

You should watch more of Mr Lessig's vids. Copy rights were intended to protect the value on behalf of the creator. It is actually a part of the constitution that there be reasonable limits on them to encourage intelectual evolution. Then a man named Walt Disney passed away and a corporation began fighting over fortunes. Very interesting stuff.

[AsSomedayItMayHappen]

Creative ideas are one of the most valuable things to our society...why WOULDN'T we protect them?

[artformeandyou]

I think his argument is not sound. The user broke the user agreement while uploading the video. Youtube is a money making machine, the mother should have uploaded the video on her own server that did not have advertisements, and then it would have been alright.

[wonbin2008]

the law , the policy in many ways is backwards of reality, Copyrights sometime is bad capitalism. but we still

need find a middle way for this.

[Shadizar666]

I am watching the whole program on fora tv link

and they hash out the whole issue with the pros and cons of it

I think you guys should see it before you comment

[BabetteBombshell]

When Ben Franklin & our forefathers created copyright law they limited it to 15 years. Disney's legal team have made copyright today infinite in order to hold onto mickey mouse. We live in a world where warner brothers OWN the words "super hero". Imagine a world where sherlock holmes, the wizard of Oz, or even Jesus Christ were not in the public domain. A limitation to copyright laws is the inherent life blood of socially relevent art & freedom of expression.

[alien13ufo]

15 year copyright sounds reasonable for a new product.

[yo831831]

censorship.

Patents and Copyright are killers of Creativity..

[lumpfish99]

all these people are greedy they only want money.....instead of celebrating the fact that we can now share and improve things together there are idiots want their egos masterbated and their bank accounts filled.....screw them.

[WhoRonPaul]

Do Copyright Laws Stifle Creativity?

yes they do.

Another big stopper is censorship.

bleh

[Punchey]

I'm all for "fair-use", which is what these are all examples of. However, we must also still have copyrights to protect the creative process as well. Imagine how stifling it would be to the world of fiction if novelists, having completed a novel, are subsequently unable to derive any sustainance from their work because their work is subsequently and legally duplicated and distributed endlessly without payment.

[lumpfish99]

you know i remember when they closed the coal mines in the uk....it put many out of work.....ITS CALLED PROGRESS......no demand=find something else to do.....

[Punchey]

By the fact people, in my scenario, are duplicating and gleaning value from the work - there IS demand. They just aren't paying for it. i.e. piracy. I urge you to go spend millions of dollars writing, casting, shooting, and producing a movie, then have everyone just copy it (I'm not talking about fair-use here) and not reimburse you at all for your hard work and money spent. See how inclined you are to do it again.

[BabetteBombshell]

Thats all fine & good, however there has to be a limit on the timeframe of a copyright. Personally, I believe coorporate copyright should be limited to 15 years & the personal copyright of an artist should be standing the individual's life. We're all held captive of piracy when Michael Jackson can own the rights to the song "happy birthday". Did you know thats why it isn't sung in restaurants anymore? Paul McCartney should own the rights to the songs he wrote, not Michael Jackson. Thats piracy!!

[Punchey]

There certainly are miscarriages of copyrites, just as there are patents. Jackson can no more claim ownership of "Happy Birthday" than Microsoft can rightfully claim ownership of the concept of the "right mouse click". But there are legitimate claims to ownership. And I agree that there should be a reasonable sunset for copyrights.

[lumpfish99]

times have changed.....there is a demand for all kinds of things but the exorbatant prices are not reflected as they are in films or music.....the overheads of making these things have dropped incredibly due to technology but they still charge the same to see or listen dont they? thats greed. if the price were fair people would cheat.

[handgrenadepin]

yup. draw the line and consider the context. a printed novel is one thing, music is another. ^^

[hasabaseaz2]

If this is the creativity copyright laws are stifling, I am all for it. Totalitarianism!

[Sabricent]

You're an idiot.

[thpt]

Copyright owners need to chill out and work with reality instead of throwing tantrums about it.

[wwebigmac]

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