The Adventists documentary film

[deschepping]

De kerk van de Zevende dags Adventisten is een wereldwijd kerkgenootschap dat menselijk welzijn en gezondheidzorg hoog in haar vaandel heeft staan. Tevens is het een kerkgenootschap dat haar waarden en theologische opvattingen uit Gods woord de Bijbel haalt. Zo geloven Zevende dags Adventisten in een zes daagse schepping waarbij de zevende dag de instelling is van de wekelijkse Sabbatdag zoals verwoord in het 4e gebod van de tien gebodenwww.deschepping.nu

[TheXsoja]

wow , the sda's are so incredible . i am proud to be an adventist forever .

[clarencejoyf]

it says one-hour documentary film...does anyone here know where i can watch the film???thanks...

[aishimen]

great!!! God speed to all!

[aracnidio1]

Muito bom...

[wooki53]

Why do SDAs ignore that we human beings have a spirit -- 1 Thess. 5:23 implies that we have a spirit, soul and body. SDAs believe that we humans are composed of flesh and the breath of God = a living soul.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@wooki53

It's because they don't want to believe that our spirit can exist outside our body as it would oppose their doctrine of soul sleep

[auju123]

@wooki53 That is our spirit. The gift of life that God has given us and can take back if he wanted to.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@exodus20v8

do you follow the entire book of the law? Jesus did and its the only way by which you won't be cursed under that law.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@exodus20v8

We must show our love the same way Jesus showed his love for us. If it was the way you teach than the pharisees would of had it right by rebuking the disciples for breaking the sabbath.

[Myhopeisinhim]

some feel that the greatest way to show love is to keep the ten, yet, the bible says sacrifice is the greatest love of all.

Not the sabbath, not keeping the murder command. You can do all those things and still have a filthy unclean heart full of hatred.

[Myhopeisinhim]

Greater love hath no man than this that he giveth his life for his friends. Love is the fulfillment of the law, meaning, its not the letter that fulfills the law but loving others as Christ loved you.

Even if you keep the law to the best of your ability, as the levites and priests did, yet ignore cries for help from your neighbor, you would be guilty.

The letter doesn't show that you love God.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@mekelsior

Don't confuse the works of a believer with the works of the law though.

What is present in the life of a believer are the fruits of the spirit of which among the greatest of these fruits is love.

Ive seen many of supposed believers in Jesus who claim to walk according to the commandments but fail to walk in love. So despite claims of keeping Gods law, they are in fact guilty of not doing so.

[skip1998]

there is no such thing as being to free with speech

[zhuster7]

in your country, Find a place where many divorces, single parents,Protestant's rejection of law.Yes it cannot save us but a True converts is the one will never or don't disagree with God's standard on how we live a better life? Could we really say you need to have more gods, makes gods, mentioning God in vain? restless? murderers, polygamies etc?.U DON'T LIKE LAWS OF GOD BUT YOU LET TO HAVE "LAW' TO HAVE MORE WIVES & HUSBANDS' WHICH LAW DO YOU LIKE & yet ignoring the wisdom of God?

[teebig]

Jesus did not break the Sabbath, nor any law (Matthew 5:17-19)

[The1Antonio1]

ATTENTION: sallywrite:

If you stop attending SDA Church service on the Sabbath for the rest of your life,will you still be saved by faith in Jesus? Yes or No?

Your answer will prove and show if you are a double talking forked tongue liar or not.

[BakersBoyz]

Adventists are vile, conniving and despicable.

[desideriius]

@BakersBoyz But BakersBoyz is the vilest. Adventists are productive citizens and are catalists to an environment they live. BakersBoyz have not yet produced a single good in this world..hahaha,, pity for you, boy..

[Dwrancho144]

John 5:18 says "Jesus not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."

that's what John wrote in his gospel

IF YOU DENY THIS THEN YOU DENY CHRIST

AND IF YOU DENY THIS THEN YOU HATE GOD'S WORD WITH A PASSION

Rom 1:19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

[Dwrancho144]

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."

Jesus has been working sense creation and has never rested on the sabbath

the definition of keeping the sabbath is to obviously TO REST ON IT

Jesus never kept the sabbath because it wasn't made for him

[Jamus955i]

@Dwrancho144 Yahshua did keep the Sabbath, don't be a fool!

What He did not do is keep the man made requirements that self serving bigots such as the Pharisees had added to the Law of YHWH.

There is a BIG difference friend.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@Jamus955i

What do you feel were the man-made requirements that the pharisees kept?

[tomluttrell]

The documentary perpetuates the popular myth that Ellen White was the "sole" founder of the SDA church, with her visions as critical to the church's doctrines. In reality, Ellen White was one of a dozen early pioneers, and the doctrines were developed gradually out of Baptist and Methodist theology. Ellen White, a former Methodist, merely helped indicate through her visions that they were on the right path.

[The1Antonio1]

Adventists have this delusion that just because they get out of bed every Sabbath, get dressed up in a suit or dress, attend a building with other Adventists, sing a song or two, tithe, gossip a bit about each other, hear a sermon, and go home, that magically they are now perfect Sabbath and Law keepers and saved by God based on their weekly Sabbath works! They are deceived with legalism and in reality they have 2 Saviors, part Jesus and part themselves and their own Sabbath keeping!

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Legalism? Then Jesus was a legalist, too, because as was His custom was, He went to church every Sabbath. Adventist aren't saved by keeping the Sabbath. We do it because we follow Christ's example. And we are not pagans like sunday-worshiping protestants. We do not envy other churches, they envy us.

[ricanmamazita]

To all those negative comment toward the adventist church and or people all I have to say is, yes there's some hipocrite people in the church, yes there's some legalist but then again you will find that in every church and also out in the world.

[BakersBoyz]

@ricanmamazita Learn to spell retard.

[ricanmamazita]

You also will find some loving and understandin people in this church I just think that people should be more open minded and respect others people point of view. I'm a seventh day adventist and believe in keeping the sabbath but my family is not and I respect their believes. And like Jesus said love the Lord your God with all you're heart and withh all your soul and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as you self.

[isaiasm7]

It´s interesting how people get confused before Bible texts. They prefer to find one to blame, someone to be the responsabel his/her own dissapointmets. How patetic!!! Well, it´s easy to say I LOVE GOD without following HIM, obeying HIM, than facing problems by following HIM under hard circunstances. If each one could take care of his own life, it could be easier to respect people´s point of view especially when good things are being said about others, envy is too ugry!!! GOD bless!

[The1Antonio1]

I was a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Denomination for 12 years but I have now resigned my membership because I came to understand and realise that I am saved by faith and grace alone, not by works or personal Sabbath keeping that the SDA teach. I teach the gospel of justification, sanctification and righteousness by faith alone. But now most Adventists call me a child of Satan. Once I came out of Babylon/SDA I am set free in the grace and righteousness of Christ. Praise Jesus!

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 I have also that kind of thinking you have. Unfortunately my conscience would not jive with yours. Keeping the Sabbath holy is still compatible with being justified by faith. I see no discrepancy between sabbath-keeping and being justified by faith. Jesus kept the Sabbath, and so did the apostles. And they did it not to be saved but because it was a customary day of remembering God's Creatorship and His power to sanctify us (Ezekiel 20:12; Genesis 2:3; Exodus 20:11).

[The1Antonio1]

Adventists have this delusion that just because they get out of bed every Sabbath, get dressed up in a suit or dress, attend a building with other Adventists, sing a song or two, tithe, gossip a bit about each other, hear a sermon, and go home, that magically they are now perfect Sabbath and Law keepers and saved by God based on their weekly Sabbath works! They are deceived with legalism and in reality they have 2 Saviors, part Jesus and part themselves and their own Sabbath keeping!

[shinyztar6]

when Does This Come out

[The1Antonio1]

rusda2, You are deluded! You believe because you attend SDA Church Service every Saturday morning, sing a few songs, pay your tithe, hear a sermon and go home.. that by some miracle, you are now a perfect 10 Commandment keeper. Well I have news for you,you are NOT a sinless and perfect 10 Commandment keeper! Just because you weekly attend SDA Church service, don't make you one. You are a sinner and James says you are a Sabbath and Commandment breaker. Break one commandment, you break them all!

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 rusda is far from being deluded. And that's not what she believed that sabbath attendance, pay tithe, miracle she became a perfect 10 commandment keeper. Neither do Adventist thought so. It is a typical misinterpretation of our common critics. Although we cannot perfectly keep the law, yet we are commanded to keep them, and we are guilty of not keeping them. SDA are therefore guilty like the rest, but that does not justify the critics that they are in the right.

[asmile4u3297]

Yes, there were leagalist who distorted the message of the church, and that is why we need to stay in the church and teach the truth. Adventist believe that by the death of Christ ALL sins have been paid. It is by His GRACE that we are redeemed, it is by nothing we have done or ever will do. We show our love and appreciation of this great GIFT by acknowledging that He is our creator king. He has made the law to be a protector and to reveal His character to us so that we may become like Him.

[The1Antonio1]

Any Adventist who is still a sinner, YET still invited Jesus into their hearts do NOT believe in EGW, because EGW said the following; "In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." - {ST, March 3, 1890 par. 3}. So unless you have perfectly stopped sinning,(which nobody has), then you should not invite Jesus into your heart if you are an Adventist and if you believe in what EGW taught. EGW also said, "To be redeemed means to cease from sin." Review & Herald, Sept. 25, 1900

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Yes she wrote it, but I disagree with your interpretation. In the Bible you cannot find a statement that sinners shall be admitted in heaven. Therefore EGW was right when she wrote "to be redeemed means to cease from sin." Why, Antonio, do have still secret sins you love? If so, God calls for you to surrender them.

[The1Antonio1]

Ellen G White + Adventists teach that Satan is needed at the end to complete the final and full payment for all our sins. All the sin of the world MUST be placed on Satan at the end for the completion of atonement. Adventists also believe they will be lost and receive the Mark of the Beast if they stopped attending SDA Sabbath Church Service. In reality, Adventists have 3 Saviors. Jesus + Themselves + Satan. As for me, I only have 1 Savior, Jesus Christ my Lord and sole Saviour.

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 please drink a cup of water, wait 15 min, then try to understand this: Satan has NOTHING to do with SDA/my salvation. Jesus paid my debt in FULL. Satan is RESPONSIBLE for ALL sin because he tempted man to sin. Satan cannot accept Christ so he must pay for his OWN sins. so satan will be punished for his own sins which is causing the sins of the world. now do u get it? it's very simple. u never knew SDA beliefs, thats the problem.

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 "need" is your additions. It is not valid. To say that Adventists have three Saviours, Jesus Themselves + Satan is only the critics sarcasm. You cannot find in the writings of EGW and so in any of our scholars a statement that SDAs have three saviours. If that is so, I would have left the church long ago. But such misinterpretation does not convince me. I think you should study how to understand a literature, because I suppose your mental frame has regressed to that of a schol age

[The1Antonio1]

rusda2, Satan has you deceived and ignorant of your own SDA teachings!

The reality is that you have more than 1 Saviour. Jesus is not your own Saviour. You and Satan are needed to contribute to your salvation.

You are deceived and lost in legalism. You have rejected the gospel of grace.



[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Really? But it is you who deceives your own self. You know your own perverted logic. And no Adventist ever agree with such misinterpretation of yours. If you believe that we have three saviours, not just christ, you are entitled to your own opinion. But you cannot expect us to agree with such nonsense

[BakersBoyz]

Adventists suk

[rusda2]

@BakersBoyz due to your filthy language and pictures of half naked women in your account, you must be "catholic". thanks for that gem of wisdom...I can tell that you are HIGHLY intelligent (insert sarcasm here).

[BakersBoyz]

@rusda2 Yeah, I am just like an Adventist. Total hypocrite.

[rusda2]

@BakersBoyz you know, despite your evil lying and hate toward adventists for no reason, I hope you find the truth in Jesus and are saved to Gods kingdom. peace.

[rusda2]

@BakersBoyz you know, despite your evil lying and hate toward adventists for no reason, I hope you find the truth in Jesus and are saved to Gods kingdom. peace.

[BakersBoyz]

@rusda2 I am saved, that is why I war against disgusting cultists like you who will rot in hell.  I hope you choke on your vomit.

[rusda2]

@BakersBoyz if u were really in a saving relationship with Christ, u would care about others rather than wishing them to "rot in hell" and "choke on" their "own vomit". u show the spirit that is in u is not a Holy one.

Jesus said to LOVE your enemies & do good to them. please be honest now, would YOUR "jesus" say to me/SDA what you just said? if so, we know who your "jesus" really is.

again friend, I wish only the best for you. may you be converted and saved in His kingdom.

[desideriius]

@BakersBoyz And those who are non-Adventists are even worst hypocrites

[Purefectlady]

@BakersBoyz why ? lol have u met any ?

[TheHeyman123]

@BakersBoyz You must be part of the ilumanati. Cause us Adventist are great clean people. How dare use your own language againts us. Only someone who is aside with Satan would say that. We give ourselves to Jesus. I am an Adventist

[BakersBoyz]

@TheHeyman123 You must be a stooge who auto-reprograms himself with trash from your founder (an avowed whore by her own admission).

[The1Antonio1]

Ellen G White + Adventists teach that Satan is needed at the end to complete the final and full payment for all our sins. All the sin of the world MUST be placed on Satan at the end for the completion of atonement. Adventists also believe they will be lost and receive the Mark of the Beast if they stopped attending SDA Sabbath Church Service. In reality, Adventists have 3 Saviors. Jesus + Themselves + Satan. As for me, I only have 1 Savior, Jesus Christ my Lord and sole Saviour.

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 u are deceived.

satan does not "atone" for our sins in any way at all, ur ignorance of SDA u say u were in for 12 years is astounding.

Jesus paid the FULL price for our sins. but, satan also had a part in this, he is RESPONSIBLE for all sins ever committed by mankind. therefore He will be punished for leading us into sin. He will be punished for all the sins which he tempted us to commit. satan can't repent now, so he must pay for HIS OWN sins in the end.

[The1Antonio1]

Q for Adventists: If you stop attending SDA Church service on the Sabbath for the rest of your life,will you still be saved by faith in Jesus? Yes or No?

Your answer will prove either way, if you are double talking and under legalism, or if you truly believe you are saved by faith alone. Because if you believe you will be lost if you stop attending SDA Church every Sabbath, then you do not believe in salvation by faith alone at all. You believe in salvation by faith + your own Sabbath keeping.

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 your question is a very ignorant one. If you stop obeying God, do you really have "faith" at all? no you dont. your faith is dead.

[The1Antonio1]

@rusda2 The only ignorance here is your lack of understating that you are lost due because you are relying on your own works to be saved and have rejected to completely trust Jesus for your salvation.

Good luck... but your own works won't contribute to your salvation and you are lost in your own legalism.

[Purefectlady]

@The1Antonio1 hello there,yes we are saved by faith in Jesus,tho faith is proved in action,and God said if you believe in me and keep my commandments,you love me.I mean if you say you love your gf,you prove it by ur actions etc.So since the sabbath keeping is the 4th commandment,why not keep it ? When we truly believe and love God,we enjoy going to church,cuz it's a community of people who can support each other,help out,pray together and praise God,so yeah..hope this answered ?

God bless !

[The1Antonio1]

@Purefectlady @alfaandomega2 You are not telling the honest truth, because you do NOT believe you are saved by FAITH ALONE and I will prove it!

If you stop attending SDA Church service on the Sabbath for the rest of your life,will you still be saved by faith in Jesus and still avoid the Mark of the beast? Yes or No?

Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

[Purefectlady]

@The1Antonio1 there is no point on debating on any type of subject with a person who is closed-minded and doesnt even try to understand other people's point of view,all i wish is that one day you might get on the right path once again ,God bless you brother.

[The1Antonio1]

@Purefectlady typical self-righteous Adventist reply.

[sallywrite]

@The1Antonio1

Yes.

 I keep the Sabbath because I am saved not in order TO BE saved.

[The1Antonio1]

@sallywrite Sorry but you are a LIAR! You do NOT keep the Sabbath Commandment perfectly, because you are a sinner, and sinners breaks the 10 Commandments.

I bet you don't work 6 days either... which is part of the COMMAND... 6 days you shall do all your work!

[sallywrite]

@The1Antonio1 Perfectly? Where did I say that? I don't do anything or keep anything perfectly. I'm a sinner and have broken every commandment.

So... If you are saying I should not try to keep the Sabbath, then would you say that I also should not try to refrain from murdering, stealing, coveting, etc.

[The1Antonio1]

@sallywrite So you now admit you are not perfectly sinless?

So you admit you are a sinner which means you admit you are a 10 Commandment breaker, right?

So even Sabbath breakers can be saved? Right?

[Amychelle14]

@The1Antonio1 yes, if they repent. Anybody can be saved if the TRULY repent of what they've done...

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 You are not thinking, you are merely logical. But your logic does not convince people...

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Such talk is full of hatred. What did the Adventists, did to you why you are so bitter to them? We do not hate other protestant groups; they hated us. And this is what we are proud of. The more anger, the loser.

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 ''FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD" (James 2:17).. You may believe in Jesus are your Saviour, but if in your works and actions you deny Him like peter did, Jesus will also deny you to His Father in heaven. We are not judged by our faith, but by our deeds. In God's sight, faith in Christ is that which saves us. But if our works are evil despite the good faith, we deserve condemnation. so let us be sure our works will not contradict our faith.

[The1Antonio1]

rusda2 is a perfect example of the ego, pride and self-righteousness that exists in the SDA hearts and mind.

Firstly he thinks God will love and accept him more because he is "better" than us.

Secondly, he teaches that salvation is based on how good your deeds and Commandment keeping is.

Thirdly, he doesn't teach the true gospel that salvation is by faith in Jesus alone. He adds to faith and claims faith in Jesus is not enough to save you..you also need to keep Sabbath day holy.

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 you dont know my heart, you are judging me. stop your lies now "christian".

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Is that your analysis of rusda2? we are all sinners in God's eyes. Rusda2'a comments are not bad. Your hatred to him made it bad. When Jesus was asked by a young man what to do to have eternal life did Christ said, "faith alone will grant you eternal life"?,, Rather He said, "if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). No argument can prosper against this.

[The1Antonio1]

I was a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Denomination for 12 years but I have now resigned my membership because I came to understand and realise that I am saved by faith and grace alone, not by works or personal Sabbath keeping that the SDA teach. I teach the gospel of justification, sanctification and righteousness by faith alone. But now most Adventists call me a child of Satan. Once I came out of Babylon/SDA I am set free in the grace and righteousness of Christ. Praise Jesus!

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 apparently you never understood what the SDA church taught while you were there. SDA does NOT teach salvation by law keeping, neither do I. NO ONE I repeat, NO ONE is saved by keeping the law. we are saved by GRACE thru FAITH. then we keep the law (thru God's power) out of LOVE for what He did for us in Jesus.

you went out of grace into babylon my friend. sunday laws are coming, maybe you understood that enough to see it when it happens...before it's too late.

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 That is not freedom. That is slavery. Whatever freedom you claim, apart from the Law of God, it is slavery. This is why sinners are always entangled in sin because they resist laws. But to be governed by God's law is to live a life to the fullest, to be free from the bite of conscience, to be at peace with God, to be free from illnesses as a result of transgression. There is no true freedom apart from the Law which God had made for our good. ( Read Psalms 119:44-45, James 1:25)

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Wow, great! But what typr of freedom? Freedom from the Law? Is the Law of God a law that enslaves us? It is therefore useless; we must attack God for restricting us from doing what we want. Let's call on Jesus Christ, so that we can do whatever we want. Kick the 10 commandments back to Sinai..We don't need them, Christ is here! Is that your concept of freedom? On the other hand, it is sin that enslaves us, 1 Peter 2:16 "as free, not using your freedom as a cloak for wrongdoing."

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Is is sin that enslaves us, and God's Law protects us. But if you don't like salvation, then go outside the streets where criminals are, and expose yourself to harm and death.There you can find perfect freedom, freedom from all restraints. But you have no protection.You cannot expect God to protect the disobedient.He would have only people who loves to obey Him. Are the Adventists disobedient?They maybe imperfect just like David and Abraham, But they have God's Law in their hearts

[tagadayap888]

@desideriius

I love this comment....Amen..amen

[BakersBoyz]

Check the court documents on how vile adventists are ... horrible people.

[desideriius]

@BakersBoyz We are not to go to court documents just to see you are telling right. If you can produce your evidence here, do it. But you cannot because your whole being is just made of bricks of lies. It easily tumbles down, and we, Adventist, wont bother about it.

[BakersBoyz]

@desideriius you sir are a brainwashed idiot, die with the rest of your scum believers...

[acfrrl18]

@BakersBoyz you sir, are GAY

[BakersBoyz]

Everybody knows that adventists are evil and sell the dogma of the devil .. beware ...

[DisneyWorld85]

@BakersBoyz Your argument is a genetic fallacy. All I see here is an attack on someone's integrity without providing any evidence that what you say is true.

[BakersBoyz]

@DisneyWorld85 Adventists are liars and cheats. Vile, conniving and despicable. Does that help?

[DisneyWorld85]

@BakersBoyz Nope. You're just being mean spirited and petty.

[rusda2]

@BakersBoyz actually you seem to be the evil one, you have no proof for anything just an angry heart because some person did you wrong (you imagine) and now you have to take it out on the whole denomination like a big ol cry baby brat.

[BakersBoyz]

@rusda2 Adventists are like BP, very long list of crimes, all documented in court.  You are an ill-informed religious nut who will blindly follow the doctrines of demons. Adventists are criminals, already proven in court. Sorry.

[desideriius]

@BakersBoyz Really? criminals? What crime did the Seventh-day Adventist did? Just because our church have contributed something for America is not the reason why other churches are envious about us. Because we are good, it does not follow that your foul verbal emissions are correct. Because Jesus was good, it does not follow that Satan's accusations are correct. Sorry

[desideriius]

@BakersBoyz I didn't know about it. Was it posted in the news? Please inform me. Stupid.

[tagadayap888]

@desideriius

Many are those who attack our church and they never even watch the language they use...it only shows that these people have become too FREE ---because they want no law---consequently their hearts have become calloused---not recognizing the most profound TRUTH in the HOLY WRIT. " Jesus writes the law in our hearts, and its NOT another law, its a replica of what was, what is, and what will be---until the new Jerusalem descends.

[DianaPlara]

Awesome!

[dskinsey]

@The1Antonio1: That is absolutely untrue. I've been a member of the Adventist church since 1949; never have I heard such a belief expressed. Why in the world do you think this?  DKinsey

[The1Antonio1]

@dskinsey I will prove it's true!

If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Saturday morning for the rest of your life, can you still be saved in the end and avoid the mark of the beast? Yes or No?

Before you answer read this verse:

Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,''No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

So just answer with a YES or a NO, because anything beyond that comes from the evil one!

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 it's NOT "SDA Sabbath", it's God's Sabbath He "made for MAN".

keeping the commandments is NOT legalism unless you label Jesus a legalist. Jesus said if u LOVE Me, KEEP My commandments.

It's simple, if u DONT love Jesus, u WONT keep His commandments. What u will do is try to weasel ur way out of obedience by calling it legalism.

u are ANTINOMIAN, u want to keep sinning & still be saved. Rev 14:11-12 tells us those who obey God will be saved, those who dont't, will get the mark.

[The1Antonio1]

@rusda2 Are you claiming you are keeping the Commandments of God and never sinning?

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 nope I am not, it's a growth process. if you are not growing in your obedience then you dont know Christ and you are not saved. He came to save us from our sins not in them.

so your not even trying to hit the target eh? I dont understand that. why would you deliberately keep doing what killed the Lord? dont you LOVE Him enough to want to keep His law?

thats the difference between our beliefs, you want to keep sinning, i dont.

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 what if I claim it, would that make you angry? Cynical people thinks all people are as evil as themselves. But they are wrong, there are people who are really good and who are better than them. If I claim that I do not sin, then why don't you condemn Job, too, who claimed he was innocent.

[MikeyMinimo]

@desideriius you are wrong. Job never claimed that he was innocent or a good person in job 9. He is actually acknowledging the sinfulness of his nature. In God's eyes everyone who lives in this world is infected with sin. The only reason why God would see us as good people is if we accept Jesus as our substitute. Only Jesus is good and w/out sin... not you... ur infected w/ sin.

[Mekelsior]

@MikeyMinimo God declared Job just not because of his works but because of his faith, but it is written that we would know who is the follower of God by his works, so do works play a part in the free gift of redemption? Not in the sense that we can earn salvation by doing works, but they are an outwardly sign and a blessing to those that do follow the commandments of God, as Paul writes I can do all in Christ who gives me strength. We behold Christ and we become changed, we become more like him.

[The1Antonio1]

@rusda2 Firstly, you do not keep God's Commandments yourself because you are a SINNER! Just because you go sit in an SDA building for a couple of hours every Saturday morning doesn't mean you are a perfect 10 Commandment keeper!

Your words and comments are filled with legalism. You teach salvation through perfect 10 Commandment keeping.

You have rejected the gift of grace and have deluded yourself into believing you are a perfect Commandment keeper.

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 you are antonomian...kind of sounds like your username huh?

no legalism, you just want to call law keeping legalism so you dont have to keep it. whatever.

your problem is you dont understand the BALANCE between law and grace. the law is to be kept by christians, but not to be saved, but out of LOVE for Christ. keeping the law from love is NOT legalism no matter what you say. Jesus said if you LOVE Me, KEEP My commandments. Is Jesus teaching legalism? nope.

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 I havent deluded myself into anything sepecially not that I am a perfect commandment keeper. thats what you people always say so you can continue in your sins and think you can go on and do anything and get away with it in the judgement. it wont work, the law will stand to judge you. come back to the truth before you are lost friend.

[The1Antonio1]

@rusda2 Yes you have. You are deluded! You believe because you attend SDA Church Service every Saturday morning, sing a few songs, pay your tithe, hear a sermon and go home.. that by some miracle, you are now a perfect 10 Commandment keeper.

Well I have news for you,you are NOT a sinless and perfect 10 Commandment keeper! Just because you weekly attend SDA Church service, don't make you one.

You are a sinner and James says you are a Sabbath and Commandment breaker. Break one, break them all.

[rusda2]

@The1Antonio1 you have no news for me. I never claimed to be perfect, you just keep lying and saying I did. show me where I said I was perfect please?

because you are unconverted you do not want to obey God, you find it easier to go on living in your sin and putting forth no effort of LOVE to keep Christs commandments. but whatever, I am done now. I wish you no ill, but you are completely deceived my friend. God bless.

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 Really? What if I can prove to you that there are many sinners in the Bible who were pronounced by God as keeping His laws? Just because one is a sinner does not make him a presumptuous law breaker. We, Adventists, love to obey God's law, and because love is our motive in keeping them, we actually have perfomed more than the Law's demands, for "love is the fulfilling of the law.' But we have a brother here who would like to overthrow God's commandments and rebels against Him

[desideriius]

@The1Antonio1 But that's not what I believe being an Adventist. Maybe that's just your opinion or misinterpretation. Those points are still weak. I bet your spirituality has not earched beyond the elementary level, because the way you misinterpret us shows how superficial is your understanding to the belief of this church. Legalism? what's wrong with legalism? You want lawlessness? But no lawless person can enter heaven.. Do you think Christ was not legalistic? And do you think God isn't?

[MinaLinda07]

@The1Antonio1 I really don't know where you heard that and why you're saying it like it's a fact because it's not, Adventists go to church because we believe the church is a hospital it is where you can lay all of your burdens down and have people there to help you and hear the word of God so you can get a better understanding, but the "church" itself is just a building we are what make the church as it says so in the bible "Where two or more are gathered, there am I among them" Mat 18:20

[goodae09]

jalisa146, you can see it at my church this coming Saturday. the documentarian will be there.

[jalisa146]

@goodae09 i don't live in your country so i won't be able to see it, do u know any websites where i can download it or watch it

[jalisa146]

does anyone know where i can watch the whole film

[1anthonystewart]

What a joy it is to be a Seventh-day Adventist! Praise the Lord for all His blessings on us and all of His children, Adventists and non-Adventists around the world! Even so come, Lord Jesus. Amen.

[jalisa146]

@1anthonystewart Amen to that!

[Sabbatismos49]

Hello all,

I invite you to visit the website my husband and I recently launched, "Sabbatismos." We pray you'll be blessed and enlightened by what have have to share.

Blessings in Christ,

Sabbatismos (Heb. 4:9)

[queenvasthy]

Hope, Health & Happines the core of Seventh Day Adventists until we met Jesus face2 face

[Marieksify]

It is a huge honor to be part of this community of faith.

[Surrendered99]

People hate what they don't or can't understand, that's to be expected. I do hope that this turns out to be a good documentary... God bless all...

[dnreyn7]

Can't wait to see it!

[timothymcapps]

Bakersboyz do you have any real evidence of what you're saying?

[lolliereal4homes]

So blessed to be part of the message of hope and healing, to those that appreciate this mind, body and soul aprocah to life, welcome!, can;t wait to see it

[brianweedster]

Looks like a great documentary. Can't wait to see it!

[baffledoverit]

@BakersBoyz REALLY??? please explain.

[baffledoverit]

Please explain. Tell us more.

[dskinsey]

@BakersBoyz : What happened? Did they refuse to hire you or something?

[BakersBoyz]

@dskinsey you mean the mail and wire fraud charges or the medical malpractice charges?

[Linda1305]

Is this movie released? If so where can i buy it/watch it? Looks amazing!

[VanGerTei]

The hour-long broadcast will be aired on public television stations in April 2010. But you can order your own copy on DVD now. Just go to The Voice of Prophecy site and click "current features".