Revealing of the True Gurus and the False Gurus by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

[lashmana108]

Jai Shri Mataji...

[BiscayneNationalPark]

Very true klacsanzky77, your advice is welcome.

Thank you.

[BiscayneNationalPark]

Very interesting talking. Is Supreme Master Ching Hai a realised Guru?

[klacsanzky77]

I am not sure. I went to the website of Ching Hai, but could not tell from the website. I could not found out exactly how Ching Hai offers a sprittual awakening. I know that in Sahaja Yoga it is very clear. Sahaja Yoga is based on ancient teachings from India about the Kundalini and about the Chakra system. The main thing that Sahaja Yoga offers is a simple method with which to receive your self realization or your inner awakening.

[klacsanzky77]

Nowadays you have to be very careful about following a teacher who says they know about spirituality. There have been so many tricksters out there who have called themselves teachers.

[retouchstar]

@BiscayneNationalPark No, he is not. You can take your realization through Sahajayoga and then you will feel it by yourself if someone is realized or not.

[klacsanzky77]

Here is the transcript of Shri Mataji's talk given in this video which follows over several comments made below:

Question announcer says:

Shri Mataji the next five questions are all about different gurus. All about different ones. Shri Mataji says Which ones? One is about Swami Rama do you believe in his teachings? Shri Mataji responds What is the use of teachings? You have had many. You have had Christ, hes given you the Bible. So many we have had. Now no more teachings, actualization.

[klacsanzky77]

Ask for Actualization. What else? Shri Mataji is asked Paramahansa Yogananda and his teachings about Creea Yoga which he says is the quickest technique for self realization Shri Mataji Asks I said? The question announcer says No, Yogananda.

Shri Mataji replies He might have said it but no one has got it so far. Now what is Creea Yog? Sahaja yoga is Acreea. Creea means (What do you call Creea in English? Action.)

[klacsanzky77]

Creea is action. And Sahaja Yoga is Acreea, no action. Now Creea Yoga is like this, yesterday I explained to some people who asked me that when your car starts, I mean when it is ignited, then automatically all the machinery starts working, automatically. You dont have to move anything, its all built in. But Creea Yog is this that you dont start the car, you dont start the kundalini but you start moving the wheels. First time when I came I was very shocked,

[klacsanzky77]

now they stopped all that nonsense because they had some sort of a stricture on that. They use to cut the tongue, this thread of the tongue. And I saw some Indian doctors with their tongues wagging like that. I said what has happened, they couldnt speak so they told me that we have cut our threads because we have to push back our tongue and get to the kechari condition. Now Kechari is a simple thing which is described, of course is a part of Sahaja Yoga only,

[klacsanzky77]

that when the kundalini rises the centers first of all allow the kundalini to rise, and then they augment, then again they relax, the higher ones, and then they augment, because they have to stop the kundalini from falling down, its a simple thing like that. In the same way when it reaches Vishuddhi chakra here also, what happens when kundalini rises higher, theres a big augmentation that takes place and the tongue is pulled inside which you dont feel normally,

[klacsanzky77]

you wont feel because kundalini rises like a jet these days. So what they did is they use to cut the tongue and put it there. But the kundalini is sitting in the sacrum bone only. Whats the use? So the whole Creea Yog is like moving your wheels while the car has not started. Its very easy to talk of these things because in India these books are available you can read them.

[klacsanzky77]

I know of people, there was an actress who came to my program when I came in 71. Theres so many people who came to my program and also Dr. Choudary told me that you better get it copyright. I said theres no copyright needed for this kind of a thing. Its alright. And they are using my words, there using the word kundalini, there using maha yoga, there using the words like self realization, everything. And doing nothing about it. And just making money.

[klacsanzky77]

Sorry but what can I do about it? It is for you to decide. It is the actualization which you should ask. And this is what is this Creea Yoga. I dont know why people are so impressed by his book. What has he written there? He went to Himalayas, he met one guru. So What. Anybody can go and do that. What is so great? What has he written? Why should it impress people? What has he done? Nothing. They have of course got a big place where they live and all that. Thats all.

[klacsanzky77]

I dont think anybody has got self realization from them. They cannot. First the kundalini has to be awakened.

Question announcer asks: Shri Mataji this person asks what is your relation with Babaji (Probably referring to Sai Baba of modern times)?

Who is this? Nothing. I am absolutely against him. Thats all. Hes another hoax. These are all hoax. Believe me. They are all hoax. Ramana Maharshi was the realized soul, no doubt.

[klacsanzky77]

Shirdi Sai Nath was a realized soul. Those who were realized Ill say yes, those who are not realized I will definitely say they are not. I have to say that. These babajis Experiences of these funny people. Its a long story. This laidi baba. Laidi. Laidi baba, the guru of this Yogananda, its his grandson, he came to me. And he said that he joined this Creea Yog and did all kinds of things, never got any realization or anything so I was so fed up.

[klacsanzky77]

Then I went to this Krishnamurty. I was with him, but then I started speaking like Krishnamurty, just like his voice and everything. I started speaking, doing all the drama of Krishnamurty and everything. And then I got a fright. One day I saw myself in the mirror and I said oh God I am becoming Krishnamurty. And I am just giving lectures thats all.

[klacsanzky77]

So Mother I have come to you please now give me realization. You will be surprised till today I have not been able to do that. This one person I have not been able to. I dont know what all he has done. I told him what all have you done you tell me? And he was telling me so many things about Laidi babi and his babaji. I said Bhopre, all these things they do to you? Horrible. So much they have harmed him, this man, he is the grandson of lahaidi baba.

[klacsanzky77]

Question Announcer:

Shri Mataji this person asks what do you think of Guru Nanak (Ji) and Guru Govind Singh?

Shri Mataji says Guru Nanak of course. I mean Guru Nanak was the incarnation of the primordial master. no doubt about it. No doubt. He talked of unity. He was the incarnation of the primordial master who has incarnated many, many times, as Moses, Abraham, and also as, he has been Mohammad Sab, and then Guru Nanak. No doubt about it.