New Ice Age Find in Old Fossil Site

[TheKcsmithy]

some sweet info here

[soaponaroapDG]

ffs, I knew i'd find arguments here, why can't we all just be like: "ooh, science, yeah it's pretty awesome." It'd be much nicer.

[rhdtv2002]

proof of evolution? I have yet seen any proof. There is now way the sun/moon and earth are perfectly located where they need to be and do the work it needs to do to survive. There is no way we evolved from no creation..How is it that we can reproduce - and enjoy that act. How are animals reproductions. This world was design - whether you choose to be in a GOD (does not have to be biblical) or not..No real support of evolution..If not - we would still be evolving..and there is not such thing

[TrevorBlack79]

@rhdtv2002 Good grief, your entire post is the argument from ignorance. "I haven't done any research into the subject, I don't understand the theories, so they must be false!"

Evolution is a fact. Whether you like it or not does not change that it is a fact. Why don't you go pick up a book and actually read about the theory, what it states, and how we know it's correct.

[look4urself]

@rhdtv2002 you honestly couldnt be more wrong. Please spend a few hundred hours doing some research & u will c! Its difficult to understand with out proper education but if u spend the time you will learn! And YES we are still evolving today! PLEASE read Children of Prometheus by Chriss Wills (ebay) & you will learn how this is absolutely true my friend! And in our measily Milky Way there are well over 200 Billion stars and countless millions have planets within the inhabitable zone!

[rhdtv2002]

@look4urself on that note - let head to the library - any books I should read? please advice

[look4urself]

@rhdtv2002 your entire argument is flawed. How can you compair your level of understanding to the leading scientists who have spent their entire life time researching and testing!?? And YES we are still evolving, quite rapidly! PLEASE try to read Children of Prometheus, by Chris wills. And for fun read up on snakes and lizzards, I choose them because they are completely explained and easy to understand! YES all snakes EVOLVED from Lizzards! Boas have a hip bone & remendants of hind limbs!!! :)

[look4urself]

People who go against Evolution with out years of education & research do so because its thier strong emotional need to believe "creationism" is true, otherwise its strongly disproves their religious beliefs! Im at peace with my knowledge because I did a lot of research, I wish all people had equal access to Education & that we tried to progress as a species but we dont, humans are foolish, weak and easily controlled! we have a lot bigger problems with the B.S. the world leaders r doing to us!

[look4urself]

People who go against Evolution with out years of education & research do so because its thier strong emotional need to believe "creationism" is true, otherwise its strongly disproves their religious beliefs! Im at peace with my knowledge because I did a lot of research, I wish all people had equal access to Education & that we tried to progress as a species but we dont, humans are foolish, weak and easily controlled! we have a lot bigger problems with the B.S. the world leaders r doing to us!

[look4urself]

Some snakes are still in the process of loosing thier legs today! You can read all about it, and thats just 1 tiny example! Its so interesting & fun to learn about this! There is so much proof (not just evidence) of Evolution, its the only explaination that fits to what has happened! my friend Arron Ra is alover utube & he explains everything so well! I sudgest you start with his videos! I promise you will not be able to debate him & you will have fun learning about this fasinating topic! :)

[rhdtv2002]

@look4urselfn thanks I wll read .

[coolvideo28]

More proof of the world wide flood and they just ignore real Science and start talking about the fairytale of the ice age nonsense.

[shoshanish]

why dont we all just drop it and not give a damn, and just leave nature alone, and leave eachother alone, just think hm.... maybe we should stop bickering and wake the fuck up, just look out and enjoy the sun, and religion go back to the older, more peaceful ways, and science just observe, stop making arguements.

[bringonthewrath]

Mammoths are of the Devil

[mysticalsoulqc]

how precise is tha dating 10 000 to 40 000....this i kinda a clue that the have trouble dating fossils ..... 30 000 years lolll

[spartacandream]

@mysticalsoulqc With nothing to reference but the bones themselves, I'd say that's pretty good. We know further the age by where in the sedement the bones are located. The Bible on the other hand..... says that there was a Jewish king of Egypt, which never happened. It said there was a great world flood, never happened. The whole world is exactly 6015, and the whole universe, years old. Obviously false.

[mysticalsoulqc]

how precise is tha dating 10 000 to 40 000....this i canda a clue that the have trouble dating stuff......what a gap of 30 000 years lolll

[wilson97711]

i agree with bodyrocks 1on1!!! i could not say it better...

[realistromeo]

0:31  very hot nerd..*cough cough archeologist*

[Dirtboy101]

do you know if they sell any fossils there? I'm a collector and I would love to get my hands on some tar preserved specimens.

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Dirtboy101 I don't think there are any collectors that have access to the pits in the downtown area, but you might try looking farther afield. There are other tar pits in California.

[Dirtboy101]

@NorthForkFisherman I guess an hour of research and google could turn up a few local tar pits. I just hope I don't fall in XD

[NorthForkFisherman]

@Dirtboy101 Look for McKittrick site and you should be able to find what you are looking for. As far as failling in? Ebay sometimes gets fossils from sites like that, but they are rare, and are starting to get more regulated in their trade.

[Dirtboy101]

@NorthForkFisherman ok, thanks for the info!

[MissBeautiful2u]

lol

[donnie2164]

Almost every were you go on you tube now people are arguing about religion i swear its like the jihad or what ever ya call it. Every one is so sure they have the answer.

[aratheartist]

sorry there isnt, check further on your claim

[bodyrocks1on1]

Funny how religious people get so bent out of shape when proof of Evolution is presented. Its a know fact taught at elementary school & University. it is not an opinion or an idea. 4.2 million years ago we were Australopithecus and there is fossil records to show.

[aquaristic]

@bodyrocks1on1 Denial of facts is what religions are based upon. You have to be amazingly stupid and weak willed to believe in superstitious nonsense and to deny museums full of evidence and the scientists who interpret it. But denial of facts is how religious con men sell their dvd's, books and how they collect money from fools. Heaven and hell are get rich quick schemes for religious leaders to rip off the fools who follow them.

[59riggs]

@aquaristic You couldn't be more wrong!!!! Read Genesis chapter 1 and you will see that GOD revealed to Moses creation and the EXACT order of it!!!! To this day through scientific knowledge it is correct!!! Read and know the facts!!! Anyone who has had the baptism of the Holy Ghost CANNOT deny GOD!!!!!

[aquaristic]

@59riggs Oh but you must understand that I would never waste my time reading fairy tales like the bible. That book is for idotis like you who are not able to understand science, reason or to pass an entrance exam to a college. Oh wait, you could get into a bible college, all you need to do there is turn off the thinking, believe in ancient myths and follow a cult. Go preach your childish bullshit to other mental weaklings. Religion is a brain disorder spread by the infected, like you.

[59riggs]

@aquaristic For your information, I have two degrees in Engineering--I'm 50 years old and have obviously experienced more of life than you. Mental weakling?? I challenge you to a FACT based account of evolution and scientific knowledge of today. I once too thought like you but GOD revealed himself to me!!! I hope he does the same for you!! I have REAL experiences that would blow your mind!!!! 

[aquaristic]

@59riggs so the invisible man floating in the sky revealed himself to you huh? You're a psychotic that listens to the voices in your head, those kinds of experiences dont impress me, they just prove that your one of those ignorants that believe in religious nonsense. Evolution is based on fossils and biological study, religion is based on the absence of facts, or, what psychos like to call faith. Obviously you are ignorant of geological, historical and biological facts.

[aquaristic]

@59riggs People like you make me laugh as you are unable to understand basic science so you hide behind religious nonsense. religions promote ignorance and you are a great example of that. And, your attempt at impressing me with degrees in engineering failed. Engineers are responsible for some fantastic disasters that killed lots of people, like the Vajont reservoir disaster on October 9 1963. The reason? Fools like you ignored the geological data, and here you go repeating history!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs MSU Lenski LTEE. The pdf for the experiment (now in it's 20+ year) is freely available. It's a good thing you said engineering, as that's how I've approached molecular biology. It's just the movement of really small parts based on the principles of both chemistry and physics. The data is incontrivertible, provided you approach it with an open mind. Just because you don't understand it to start with doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Read Molecular Biology of the Cell, Available online.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman I know that this earth is billions of years old and aware that animals have come and gone throughout time but evolution is not creation!!! Let any scientist create one single shred of life!!!! Let's take a look at a simple, single celled animal called an ameoba. It has a tail that propels it and this tail can go from 0 to 10,000 rpm per minute in a split second!!! When looked at under an electron microscope it has a perfect stator and rotor just like an electric motor!!!!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs Oh you mean the type 3 pump system? And the flagella? Those are all parts taken from other parts of a bacteria. As far as the actual creation life? There aer any number of papers from both molecular biologists and microbiologists that will show you just how close we are. Venter's lab has already done this in one fashion. Jack Szostak is working the natural proto-cell route. Dude, it's just chemistry. An no, an ameoba doesn't have a flagella. Please don't just cut and paste.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman Many people can't see the forest for the trees!!!!!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs Which is not an actual answer. What is an answer is that molecular biology and genetics provides clear proof of the ancient ancestry of life. Personal incredulity is simply not a sufficent response to the challenges put forward, especially if you actually are an engineer. Your professional curiosity should've lead you to explore the data as to why something is as it is.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman I'm not denying the ancient ancestry of life. Simply put evolution is not creation. Can you comprehend the human eye much less the human brain?? Molecular biology is man's pathetic attempt to understand the complexities of creation period!! BTW can you tell me the formula, without looking it up, for the expansion of steel--or concrete?? Why does flouride combine with so many different elements?? Who is the mental weakling here?? Would you like to play a game of chess with me?

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs Musta hit a nerve there. I'm fairly certain you're not an engineer now, as only a fool would rely on his malleable memory to recall such important data. That's what books and standards are for. The human eye? LOL. You really are reaching beyond your depth here, aren't you? A single animal phyla has all the steps from eyespot to fully enclosed eyeball. Please stick to your 'engineering", leave the molecular biology to those who have the frontal lobes for it.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman Sounds like I "musta" hit a nerve. You are very arrogant and a fool to think that science has the answers!! The most intelligent people on earth (of which you so obviously are not one), will tell you that the more we learn the more we find out we don't know!!! Can you or any of your "frontal lobe" giants explain quantum mechanics---no!!! Einstein himself could not comprehende how it works---his conclusion--"God does not roll the dice".

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs "Not only does God play dice, but he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen." -- Stephen Hawking . And typically, trying to read Einstein as a theist. As though you could steal his thunder. Funny. Now I'm not fully versed in either string or M-theory, but I at least take the time to read up on it. Perhaps you are taking the time read "Elegant Universe" by Greene. It's true we don't understand everything about QED, but neither do we assign the tag "deity" to that.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman Obviously you are a very young, arrogant and narcissistic fool. Einstein was a "deist" as history well documents and anyone who knows anything about Quantum mechanics will tell you that there are maybe a handful of people on earth that can begin to comprehend it.Very intelligently put by one man, Evolution and the big bang THEORY are the equivilant of a nuclear bomb hitting an aircraft carrier and when the billions and billios of pieces fell to earth there was a perfect watch

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs Or, perhaps, mister engineer who works from memory, you still assign the work of deamons and miasmas to all disease and mental illness? Do you give offerings to Thor or Zeus when there is lightning in the sky? No. You don't (Gods forbid if you do). Just because we do not currently understand something does not mean we cannot. QED is inherently counter-intuitive. But yet, it works. Just like the molecular basis of evolution. Your personal incredulity, it's meaningless.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman You are incredibly foolish!!! You are so arrogant that you yourself have the universe and everything in it figured out!! Carl Sagan of whom i'm sure you have read gave up his athiestic ways, repented and gave his heart to GOD before his death. The Bible is the only book ever written on this planet that has withstood the test of time. Yes, many illnesses and especially mental illnesses are the result of demon posession. Open up your very limited mind and thinking!!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs Death bed conversions? Demon possession? Yup. I think I've said all I need to say here. That bit of desperation goes all the way back to the "Lady Hope" story. So, mister engineer who doesn't need read the book, you are either a POE, or a very sad individual. If the latter is true, perhaps you've heard? Walmart is having a sale on tinfoil for your hat. Take a coupon or two and you can finish wallpapering your linving room. Since you have nothing based in reality to say, I'm done here.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman I agree--I'm done here too. Have you read the bible?? The most famous and read book of all time?? Didn't think so. That's why you are so ignorant of the TRUE facts! Reality?? Why don't you take your STRING and instead of casting it into mudholes or tarpits for microbes, try casting it into the true waters of life where you can catch something of value worth holding onto!!!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs Bravo, so says the "engineer" who believes in demons. It's really funny though that you mention the bible in that particular light, as it was the vulgate version, printed by Gutenberg that brought first reading, then enlightenment to the masses. Yes, the very tool of total control of a population gave rise to the means to set men's minds free. Be a slave, debase yourself before the myths of goatherds. A free, open mind is simply too dangerous for you to tolerate, "engineer". Kisses.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman Ignorance again. It was the King James (the first king of England from Scottish decent) version that was printed on Guterberg's press which freed the masses from Catholic corruption and rule. I believe in my GOD who can transport me in an instant across the universe and who created the universe and everything in it!! He is big enough to encompass the universe yet small enough to get into your heart. Who is the closed minded one? How can you speak of a book you've never read?

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman If you really knew anything about history, you'd know that England and not Germany once ruled all of the known world--during the time peroid we're speaking of now so it was the KJV and NOT the vulgate version that was widely read. FYI the catholic church would burn you at the stake if you were caught reading the bible hence the protestant movement. Get beyond the microscope before you speak of things which you know very little about! You've finally impressed me--you can add!

[NorthForkFisherman]

@59riggs You're impressed? Who cares. I am not impressed by you, "engineer". Perhaps you should ask the Chinese about their views of the "known world". How typically narrow minded. Your opinion matters not. The Vulgate was first, and opened the floodgates of learning. So yet again you are still wrong. But that is not relevant is it? Troll that you are I'm going to do the one thing that will annoy you most: Ignore you. You've been of use to me. I've laughed at your expense. Bested you yet again.

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman LMAO---best laugh I've had all week---"musta" hit a nerve-LMAO--BTW the Chinese were ruled by the Brit's during this time period too. There were no "floodgates" at that time since FYI there were no cars, planes, phones etc.. He who ruled the high seas controlled the info and again, that was Great Britain!! The Volgate was NEVER widely known Missouri mule head!! LMAO

Take your micro brain and go back to mamby pamby land with your tail tucked between your legs--you lost again!

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman One last reply if I may be so bold---since we're speaking of floodgates, high seas etc...what just happened to you was that you got led out into deep water and drowned with your own words! LMAO

[jimmydoolittle22]

@59riggs your mind was too open and something fell out

[59riggs]

@jimmydoolittle22 Your's is so closed nothing can get in.

[jimmydoolittle22]

@59riggs dude you're the one who thinks there are demons that can possess people. We aren't kids anymore, grow up! You're living in fantasy land.

[59riggs]

@jimmydoolittle22 You've been watching too much "Jiminey Cricket" and "Dr Dolittle" and anyone who uses the word "Dude" is still a kid. Fantasy??? No....REALITY!!! There are limitless dimensions beyond the four we are "stuck" in physical form and are only beginning to scratch the surface. Like southfork above, you're very young and haven't enough life experience to realize the severe limitations of we mere humans!! I guess you're so ignorant as to think we came from a pool of mud by happenchance

[jimmydoolittle22]

@59riggs No Jiminey Cricket or Dr. Doolittle. General James Harold "Jimmy" Doolittle was an American pilot who won the Medal of Honor. Aren't you American? Did you study history or were you too busy studying demons?

[59riggs]

@jimmydoolittle22 Look Mr immature...or should I say amature, I know full well who Dr Dolittle was. Question is do you know enough to know what life and the universe is all about??? Need an education???

[59riggs]

@NorthForkFisherman Get your micrscopic brain out micrscope mode and start getting the big picture. Obviously your life experience is very limited. Get off the couch and go outside a little more. One day, if you live long enough you will look back on your youthful thinking and know what a fool you have been!!!!

[TruthSeekingOne]

@bodyrocks1on1 How is this proof of evolution? Its a bunch of bones, doesn't prove anyone evolved from a monkey to a human, or from a cow to a whale.

This is just as likely evidence for a global flood which, as science would agree with, made a huge percentage of the previous amount of living species go extinct, and the surviving ones diversified into what we now have.

Also the evidence supporting the dating methods used are very weak and have assumptions built into them. Look it up bud.

[gambleyourhealth]

@TruthSeekingOne "and the surviving ones diversified into what we now have."

LOL, that IS evolution.

(diversified, adapted, changed to suit needs)

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph.

By the way, there is less evidence of a "global" flood than there is for evolution.

[TruthSeekingOne]

@gambleyourhealth No sorry, there is a difference from a certain species becoming changed and different within the same species, such as the many types of dogs, they were not all around forever, they changed from one type of dog into another, you are talking about changing from Dogs, to Cats, to Poison Ivy, to Butterflies...and so forth, these are impossible because the changes I was referring to are limited, no matter how much time you give them.

[gambleyourhealth]

@TruthSeekingOne "you are talking about changing from Dogs, to Cats, to Poison Ivy, to Butterflies...and so forth"

lol, if you seriously think thats what evolution is then you know nothing about evolution. Evolution is a state of constant adaption. Like this but with Extinct species "Mexican walking fish - Salamander - Lizard"

Evolution NEVER talks about any cat turning into a plant.

[TruthSeekingOne]

@gambleyourhealth Ugh, you really can't follow along can you? Evolution states that all living organisms are related, I wasn't saying they directly change from dogs to plants, but if you believe in evolution you DO believe that they are related by some common ancestor, it's insanity I know, but that's what they believe.

Am I wrong or right?

[gambleyourhealth]

@TruthSeekingOne See my other reply, but im not either for or against evolution but I definitely do not believe creationism.

Science is often wrong. It theorizes and goes back to the drawing board, but there is One thing that science can say that religion cant. Science, after much study and theorizing, EVENTUALLY gets it right. Otherwise you could not even have this conversation with me over the internet.

[TruthSeekingOne]

@gambleyourhealth Yea actually I think science is great, don't make a straw man argument, but the computer didn't come about by someone theorizing and imagining the past as it clearly didn't happen. They used REAL science to make computers, this is not the issue at hand is it? Clearly not.

Science after much study and theorizing, will still never disprove a single sentence out of the bible, what does that say about its author? Time and time again archaeology strengthens the bibles credibility.

[gambleyourhealth]

@TruthSeekingOne "but the computer didn't come about by someone theorizing and imagining the past as it clearly didn't happen"

It certainly did. Any research into early computers and how they developed will show this.

"science will still never disprove a single sentence out of the bible, "

It has already debunked many writings of the bible. The timeline alone shows this.

"archaeology strengthens the bibles credibility."

When you can only look at things in one way, sure.

[younwhosarmy]

@TruthSeekingOne .... Truth Seeker huh? God didn't write the Bible... Men did.. and it is a FACT that the Bible IS THE MOST EDITED BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND... Did God edit it... NO .. Men did; they wrote it, and edited it to suit there own needs.. (control of the people.. Truth seekers by nature cannot afford to be superstitious.. "When we believe in things that we don't understand, then you suffer; Superstition aint the way"  Stevie Wonder

[younwhosarmy]

@TruthSeekingOne if you really want truth... Watch the documentary "EVEN THE GODS HAVE GODS" on TopDocumentaryFilms... Most Life is all related... here's how.. interstellar bacteria, fungus, and viruses rain down upon the Earth every day.. The Earth is an open system. Bacteria started Life on Earth... if you must believe in a creator... Then the most likely scenario is, they were probably Aliens who appeared as Gods... umm, that part is actually in the Bible.

[younwhosarmy]

@TruthSeekingOne if you really want truth... Watch the documentary "EVEN THE GODS HAVE GODS" on TopDocumentaryFilms... Most Life is all related... here's how.. interstellar bacteria, fungus, and viruses rain down upon the Earth every day.. The Earth is an open system. Bacteria started Life on Earth... if you must believe in a creator... Then the most likely scenario is, they were probably Aliens who appeared as Gods... umm, that part is actually in the Bible.

[hypnosegirl16]

@bodyrocks1on1 There is no proof of evolution. There are no connecting skeletons.

[PacificCircle1]

@bodyrocks1on1 Also they are totally blind to proof of selection - human slection has had a big change of animals and plants that are now domesticated! And the emergency of mutated disease vectors!

[younwhosarmy]

@bodyrocks1on1 .... Actually evolution as we know it (Darwinism) is far out-dated now... The new science of Genome study proves most living things on earth are descended from interstellar space bacteria.. Which landed here in Earth's infancy... and contain the DNA sequence of countless organisms which long ago evolved on distant planets.. As for what they teach in schools.. that's laughable.. the Solutreans were here 7,000 years before Columbus..

[javanese23]

thatz really cool..the truth is out there

[xlioilx]

There are NO dinosour bones God put that stuff here to test your faith you fools the world is only 4000 years old read your bible or you will roast in hell fools!!!

[reflectinglight87]

haha. ya God put them there. after they died. thats not to test your faith. thats just prof that the existed and still existe today. yes the earth is not that old. its what bout 6000 or so. some were around there. ppl try to use dinosour bones to try and justify in what they believ in. thats sad.

[xlioilx]

Amen brother This is women should not show their skin because God is offended by earthly things. We all know that Science is a lie and it never works NEVER thats why I'm going to heaven. Because there is a heaven and Science never did anything for people even math is just silly superstitious garbage no one can understand.

[BinkieMcFartnuggets]

Are there every any real "new fossil sites"? But that is creepy, their other mammoth is made up of all different mammoths, think about in a few million years when the aliens are making exhibits of human skeletons and your fibula is on the same skeleton as Ronald Regan's skull.

[chantdownBABYL0N]

The Biblical flood of Noah is awesome, these scientists are so clueless what brought all creatures down and in so many places.

[Xaces1]

It's Bill Nye the Science guy!

[takotheoktopus]

Science rules!

[reflectinglight87]

ya if its used correctly

[Meteorplutos]

This is boring.

[MS1719ms]

Look for Jimmy Hoffa, ya never know