catholics are not true christians. they donot fully believe that Jesus Christ has forgiven them from the cross, Their traditional rituals, their man-made laws regarding purgatory & their discouragement of their followers to read The Holy Bible separates them from us true followers of Jesus. We who profess to know love believe in Jesus as our God & Savior is manifested by our spiritual fruit which is given by God our Father through His gift of His Holy Spirit to those who call upon His Holy Name!
The Jewish book is the old testament (Torah) wich should not be attached to the new Testament. The Quarran is more of a philosophical guide and quite beautifuly writen. Hinduism comes from zaroastinism (thus spoke zatharusta). There is only one god, one creator. Xenohanes said he was at the center of the universe and his thought vibrated all things into being. Jesus said love your enimies and learn from them. When do we pick up each others books and LEARN?
all you guys need to open your eyes and heart and come unbiased to learn something from this video about history..i love jesus..and i know jesus had enemies..perhaps more than anyone person.. so why not stick to only what jesus said and what his personal disciples said.. not paul becuase paul is an obvious liar and delusional person. lets use our minds before we choose something to follow with our heart
@KingSageMusic Exactly. Christians, Muslim, and Jews have all been killing each other and bashing each other for thousands of years. We all love one God. We will be united in time. I pray that time comes soon. the shedding of blood for the same beliefs needs to stop. it would if we could listen to one another and want to learn instead of saying my religion is right yours is wrong. peace to all my brothers and sisters
Simply put; Christianity=Islam=Judaism=Mythology. Plain and simple. They are reinventions of each other; all expressions of primitive human attempts to explain the unknown; all neither inherently bad nor good. It is what the current practitioners of these religions represent today that must be judged.
Jesus said: Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, DID WE NOT PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME AND IN YOUR NAME DRIVE OUT DEMONS AND PERFORM MANY MIRACLES? Then I will tell them plainly I never knew you. AWAY FROM ME YOU EVIL DOERS!. Matthew 7:21
so if there was nothing bfore god, and god created everything, so god made the devil, and god knows everything that is happing and is going to happin then god is the reason for all the suffering in the world... interesting
THE Trinity is totally BIBLICAL ~ & was there before all these "Religions" visible in the Natural world, as the HINDUS have stated "The TRINITY is visible everywhere in nature" ~ The Lord did everything in 3's in the Bible. Isaiah 6:3 "HOLY,HOLY,HOLY" endless...MOST of you MOSLEMS cannot UNDERSTAND nor COMPREHEND nor See the TRINITY, as you're OCCLUDED.
JESUS is SAME in NATURE as the FATHER ~ Note in Isaiah 9:6,7 ~ UNTO us a CHILD is BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called WOnderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlastin Father, The Prince of Peace...
Not true.. :Paul did not "create" Christian dogma.. God used him to spread the message... Jesus is the only way.. no man comes to Father except through Him..
@bonniegable7 Paul was desperate to spread his corrupted version of Christianity, " I have made myself a slave to all that I might win the more,......I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.... 1 Corinthians 9:19-23
@bonniegable7 That is very true, every prophet at his time was the only way to God, but Paul contradicted this and called everyone towards his doctrin.
@islam4jesus Trying to add scripture to assist in any argument againts the video is just stupid! Your scripture doesn't make Jesus/Judeism/Islam any more logical. The god of the Jews, Muslims, and Christians is the same god...it's just a made-up god STOLLEN from Pegans. History and all the evidence proves it. Religious nuts just blame the devil or ignore the facts. Your blind and your holding civilization back from progress. Just stop!!!
@JoseATurner "FOR the video"...Thought a good point was being made by the video that ALL religion is just fucking bullshit, but then I saw the word "Quran" and knew this was one of those sneaky pro Islam videos. Why do you that? Why do you try to attack Judeism/Christianity for being fake, and say that the Quran has all the answers? Islam was literaly STOLLEN from the very people they attack! STOLLEN and FAKE!!!
Paul was also deceived and was a praise seeker without the spirit for a time. He was not a hand picked apostle and caused an apostasy in his time because he lied to win souls who did not bring forth good fruit by doing so. In the end he repented. Jesus said the shall be tares amongst the wheat. Some of his teachings are the Tares in the bible. You are being lead astray by the catholic church and Paul. Seek for your self for your heart speaks to you. Follow the two olive trees Math & John, Truth.
@SeekTruthinLight for a second just focus on the concept of a god and not what the books say. If there truly is a God, he must be an ultimate master of all things. If he is split into three, how can he alone be an Almighty God? God has to be one and all other things are well below his stature, he must be devoid of our humanly dependencies and ideas such as sons and daughters and wives. he is supposed to be independent of all these things. He doesnt need a son, he is a complete different being.
@SeekTruthinLight how do you explain the numerous verses quoted from the BIBLE in this video making it clear that JESUS was not God nor a son of God? isnt this the biggest contradiction in your book where in one place it says 3 gods and other places 1 and only 1 God!? You yourself apparently dont read the bible often enough to notice this major contradiction. Islam says christianity was badly distorted into what it is today. think about it.
At the time of Isiah God had not brought fourth his Son as the sacrifice yet. In the time of Isiah one needed to sacrifice an animal for remission of sins, If that wasn't done, sins remained. God brought fourth his a Son to relate to man, to bring fourth a new way to be forgiven of sin, for God knew there would be a sacrifice. The Trinity was not formed until the resurrection was complete and after Jesus show himself resurrected. Jesus coming made manifest the Trinity. Seek the truth in Jesus.
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"
Become "as one of us"???? Who's us??? Oh the trinity, it's God talking to Jesus!
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
Didn't Jesus call himself the "word" of God??
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
So all thing which was made was made through the "word"? Jesus is God!
"14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
I love how Muslims claim Jesus was a prophet contradicting even Jesus himself (who claimed to be the word/messiah, not a prophet) ...as though God would send a liar in his name.
Jesus ABSOLUTELY claimed to be God in the flesh!! There can be no other interpretation! h-t-t-p://bibleprobe(dot)com/jesus-is-God(dot)htm
Mary, Jesus mother, was a blessed woman, even in the religion of Islam so Jesus divinity can not be denied!!!!!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23
It is completely asinine to claim Jesus was not the messiah, as Jesus claimed to be the messiah, and then use Christian/new testament scriptures in an attempt to invalidate what Jesus said. DoH! ...that's blasphemy!
Just because the nimrod who made this video can not read the bible or properly interpret it doesn't in any way invalidate it. Every scripture quoted in this video was "mans take" on who Jesus was/is, not what Jesus claimed to be. In fact the bible said NONE believed. Doh!
There are no scriptures written by the hand of man that will claim Jesus was the messiah during his life, because no one believed he was. That's why men are not allowed to CHANGE scriptures without facing Gods wrath ...the liars will weed themselves out, just try to prove God is a liar!!!
Muhammad was the biggest liar and blasphemer of them all changing Gods word!! That was proven when a 7th century koran was found between the rafters of a very old mosque. The modern Koran was found to be changed SEVERELY and in fact the old Koran was more like the CHRISTIAN version of the bible than the modern Koran ...as validated by the worlds foremost leading expert on Korans! Islam is a LIE! It is not Gods word, it is Gods word CHANGED!
Can you be a man and woman at the same time? Can you be God and man at the same time? Can Mary be the mother of Jesus and wife of God at the same time.
You can be man and women at the same time, Hermaphrodite. Jesus is Christianity. It did not exist before him. He did teach christianity which God sent his son as a sacrifice, the lamb of God The Vatican & other religions are those who sin by seeking there own glory & praise at the pulpit, Satan deceives many, dressing as an ANGEL of light, including Mohammad and many Religious leaders. Mithras is The Romans & Satan trying to appease pagan congregations. You know this in your heart. Seek Jesus
Of course there are hermaphrodite but they are not normal as all the other human beings like man and woman.
I know Satan is a very powerful customer but those who worship are protected by God but he is active with those who worship idols and Jesus is an idol. I don't think you understand this because you are being control by the Satan to worship a man instead of God. Nothing will change you because Satan runs in your blood and whispers into your heart.
I do agree with you that astrology is a hdden theme within the bible and Zeitgeist reveals much deception of this age. The Venus project and NEW AGE religion are the next fabrication to deceive the next age. They do this with every age since Egypt. In with the new and out with the old. My point being is those how believe in the Zeitgeist/Venus project are the seeds for the next deception.
lordneo, give it up, there are 100 000+ different christian doctrines to defend all the different contradictions, not one has received a comforter to guide them into all things pertaining to the law...
all this is proves that it is islam that is pagan and that people in glasshouses should know throw stones. i have already proven that the koran is appropriated from numerous christian textsso you arenot one to speak of plagiarism
... to account for this similarity between islam and paganism mohammad concocted the history that the pagans learnt these practices from ibrahim but went astray. but ibrahim going to mecca is never mentioned in the torah, there is no archeological evidence mecca existed till 100 ad 200 years after ibrahim, there is no mention of it anywhere amongst the southern arabian kingdoms and the first written reference in the 2000 years of its alleged existence is in 200 ad.
not 1 catholic doctrine can to be proven to have come from paganism and please dont rant on about mithras or horus as that has been refuted long ago even by non christian scholars. you arenot one to call catholocism pagan as the black stone you muslims rever on the kaba was considered a diety by the pagans, the kaba was a house of idols that the pagans used to circle (naked), also they ran between safa and marwa, performed ramadan, prayed 7 times a day and called their head diety allah.
we do not beleive they are gods but beleive since they are close to god its ok to ask for their intercession. even some shite muslims pray for the intercession of their saints
no it is you who has been decieved as an ex agnostic and pentecostal convert to catholocism i can conclusively say that catholics no not worship idols, wehave statues but we do not consider the statues themselves to be gods and pray to them rather we keep them as reminders. Praying for the intercession of saints and mary is not pagan either,
christianity is exactly what jesus preached it is you have been duped. christmas was about jesus but it became comercialised in western countries and replaced christ with a celebration of consumerism.
In my way of seeing this is that Jesus is God coming to Earth in a tent of Flesh, but to say that Jesus was not a man is also wrong. It was Gaberial who said you shall call his name Imanuel meaning God with us. Isaiah said His name shal be called Wonderful Counselor the Mighty God and the Government shall be on his soldiers. I don;t know where they get this idea of Mary in the trinity. It is Father son, and Holy Ghost. As we are Body, soul and spirit. Jesus is the Yahevah of Judah.
Everything will be deceptive if you believe on falsehood as what you believe. When you say some fool died for your sin or came to die then there is noting logical for you because you are a living dead your brain doesn't function the way it used to be and your heart becomes the property of Satan and he keeps screwing your brain until he take you to hell with him.
it is you that are blind. some fool? you justcalledjesus a fool and i though you muslims loved jesu more than the christians. jesus himself said he died fo our sins . jesus is recorded as saying in matthew, luke and mark the night before he was killed. " this is the blood of the new covenant which i pour out for the remission of the sins of the many"
where did Jesus say that he would die for you? He in fact cried when he was on the cross and accused God of betraying him. If you analyze the words Oh my God, oh God why have you forsaken me. It is not even the words of prophet let alone be the words of God. Use your dead brain, and pray to God to take away the covering from your eyes and seal from your heart. If Jesus died for your sin or claimed to be God definitely he is in hell now.
not it is you who has a dead brain. why is it you muslims always think you are experts on the bible when you get the most basic things wrong. it is you who have been decieved by the devil not me. i was an anti-christian agnostic until i experienced something supernatural that proved christianity is true and for which there was no logical explanation. but obviously you wont beleive me and accuse me of lying and taking drugs but that is how i know.
Devil can only deceive fools like you, devil cannot fool people who use their intelligence and reasoning. Even a lot of Hindus, Buddhist, Jews, Muslims experience something supernatural but that doesn't make one's religion the real truth and the ultimate truth. Sahi Baba claims divinity and performs many supernatural acts. Does that make him God? Still his followers believe that he is God like the Christians do.
Newmuslim you are the misguided one. God does not need his creation to help him run the show, that is not christianity but if god wanted to he has the power to enter into creation, god has the power to do anything. The holy spirit is not the angel gabriel. Show me where the bible says he is . the bible reveals that both jesus and the holy spirt are part of god. John 1:1, philipians 2:5-10, colossian1:15, john 20;28, John chapter 8 .
The Roman Church State is the anti christ, dont believe me? check out "David Asscherick" ...also "Walter J Veith"...The ancient Egypt religions could not stand to God when Moses came and rescued the people. So seeing that the Bible is not fake, and can be proven.Everything that means to discredit The Bible is a lie from the agents of Lucifer.
No the roman catholic church is the 1 true chruch everythign else is a protestant lie, christ has nothing to do w ith t hese 50,000 protestant sects. The roman catholci church is the chruch jesus founded upon peter.
No you are nuts the catholic church is the only church founded by christ upon peter matthew 16:18. We believein what jesus, paul and al lt eh aposltes taught 1 god in 3 persons, what you believe that jesus is not god that is what is blasphemy as you insult jesus s true identity.
Yes RCC is a huge church, it has also MURDERED many Christians that only wanted to go and spread the TRUE message of the Bible!
They are blasphemers who put them selves in the "place of God" of earth...Jesus says call no man Father but Him in Heaven. They also now allow their preists to be Free Masons which is Paganistic Lucifer worship....there is one true Church and that is the body of Christ. Those who accept Jesus as their Savior are the true church.
paul wrote there is one god and one lord jesus not becuase ejsus isnt god but becausehe was using the shema hear oh israel the lord your god is one to show that the lrod adn god are in hypostatic union together. not to say that jesus isnt god.
everyonewho wants to see my refutation of this video scroll down a couple of pages
The doctrines of nicea all predated Constantine by hundreds of years and are recorded in the bible and by early church fathers long before so this is false. And jesus quoted hear oh israel the lord your god is one because it is the shema a central jewish creed
yes but the division in christianity between the christians who believed in jesus divinity and the ones who did not, predated constantine and the council of nicea
hen you are misinformed the diety of christ predated nicea. The bible talks about it and its written long before 325 AD, we have the writings of church fathers for 200 years before nicea all confirming the diety of christ and the trinity and also the writings of non -christian pagans doing the same. go read pliny the younger who 106 ad wrote to the pagan roman emepror about christians singing hymns to christ like to a god
Nicea did not invent doctrines but oppose the new arian heresy which only came into existence in the 3rd century the beleift hat jesus was divine is present in earleist christianity.
Jesus was a prophet but also more than that so Jesus being called a prophet in no way refutes Christianity, the messiah was to be a prophet. Constantine did not destroy all authentic bibles. The bible did not exist until the time of Constantine but the books did exist long before so Constantine could not have bunt any bibles And we have papyri copies of many of the books of the NT from the 2nd century so it is impossible for him to have destroyed anything.
others on earth before his ascension into heaven. . . even if there are myths about dying and rising gods prior to Christianity, that doesnt mean the New Testament writers copied from them.
Dr. Norman Geisler wrote, The only known account of a god surviving death that predates Christianity is the Egyptian cult god Osiris. In this myth, Osiris is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. However, Osiris does not actually come back to physical life but becomes a member of a shadowy underworld. . This is far different than Jesus resurrection account where he was the gloriously risen Prince of life who was seen by
Ankerberg and Weldon wrote In sum, skeptic claims of Christianity being borrowed from ancient Egypt, India, Rome, Greece, and Persia can be disregarded as false because there are no primary sources for these parallels pre-dating A.D. 150. This is more than 100 years after the origin of Christianity!
Dr. Walter Burkert, a Greek religion scholar and author stated,There is no evidence for a resurrected Attis, even Osiris remains with the dead
Even atheists and non-Christian scholars have rejected this idea that Christianity has been borrowed from ancient myths. The well respected Sir Edward Evans Pritchard an expert on religious anthropology wrote, The evidence for this theory. . . is negligible.
No followers of mithras ever believed his blood bore eternal life, or that mithras died for the sins of the world. Mithras wasnt crucified or resurrected. And mithras wasnt born of a virgin neither was he born of a rock. Neither washe the son of a god. These theories are rejected by scholarship and are not supported by any ancient evidence.
now to the subject of this video there is no connection between Jesus and mithras that is lie propagated by zeitgeist and various neo-pagans. There are no similarities between Jesus and mithras apart his followers having a communal meal of bread and wine. mithra slayed a bull and this meal commemorated the meal mithras had with the sun god. It was not considered his flesh or his blood.
This was opposed because it went against the NT and because it went against what the apostles taught. So there was an ecclestiastical conference at nicea with over 300 church father voting in favour of jesus full iety and only 2 arian leaders against arguing he was a lesser created being. It defined and unifed the faith basedo n the earliest doctrines not invented doctrines. You are misinformed
. then we have the writing of early church fathers for over 200 years before nicea indicating beleif in the trinity, the diety of christ the resurrection and crucifixion so your argument that Constantine invented this is without substance. Furthermore you do not even know why nicea was called it was not to invent christs deity but to define and unify the faith and also too oppose the 3rd century Arian heresy.
paul writing 50 ad describes jesus being in the form of god equal to him then emptying himself taking on human form, he became a servant obedient to the point of death on a cross. again thsi is long before nicea in 325 AD. on top of this pliny the younger a pagan roman wrote to the pagan emperor trajan i nt he early 2nd century and noted that christians sang hymns to christ like to a god . this is a hostile witness
You cannot mix true Christianity with Muslim faith....they do not believe in the Bible or the life of Christ but have distorted it to their ways, The helper is the Holy Spirit, NOT Muhammad . Jesus died on the cross for our sins so that we coul dbe freed from sin and bondage, God Bless
you dont think its funny that so many other religions have the same story as the bible....stories that predate the bible. the bible ripped of almost everythng from egyptian paganism.
if the holy spirit was helper then why did jesus say he has to go for the comforter to come ...and if the holy spirit was not there at that time what decended to jesus while he was getting baptised and what was inspiring his apostals that whole time if the holy spirit was not present already.
The holy spirit already existed but he existed in the role of a comforter only after jesus died and rose from the dead. The comforter is described numerous times as a spirirt pnuema in greek in the nueter form indicating the spirit is not human as nueter is not used for human beings. John 14;25 literally calls thehelper the holy spirirt and elsewhere the comforter is described as invisable. the comforter , it is not mohamamd that is stupid
Jesus said that there were anything to say unto you but you cannot bear them now but when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all truth. Now can you give me a single truth the comforter the Holy Ghost guided you into for the last 2000 years? Another comforter means another man like Jesus. When Jesus preached the Holy spirit was there helping him. So how many Holy Spirit are there. All human being are spirit and those holy ones are called Holy Spirit. You are a blind man.
nope a comforter means a helper and it is literally described as the holy spirit and always in the nueter pnuema in greek indicating it is not a man and not human. mohamamd was the antithesis of jesus, he comforted nobody but followed the way of the sword something jesus expresly forbid in his teachings. what proof do you have that his is mohammad zilch! the holy spirit already existed but was not in the role of a comforter until after jesus returned to the father.
You must be blind or ignorant to say it was the Holy Spirit because Jesus said that another comforter he means that he believed he was a comforter. In fact the Holy Spirit was there when Jesus preached. He also said comforter will guide you into all truth; just tell me a single new thing that Holy Ghost guided you into all truth. BTW we do not need to use the Bible to claim the prophet hood of Muhammad. In fact almost all the scriptures speak about him, even Hindu scriptures as well
If Old Testament is true then there wouldn't be any need for a New Testament and if the New Testament is true then there would't be a need for the Qur'an. When are you going to learn or use your dead brain?
before this he was not in that role but did exist. nope the holy spirit is neveronce described as human or people as holy spirirts in the bible so that is flawed. showme whereit says mohamamd is the comforter.
did you see what it said in isaiah 43:10 god says before me no GOD was formed nor will their be one after me. IAM THE LORD AND THERE IS NONE AFTER ME.
hen contd your arguemtn that constantine invented christianity is flawed. the NT of which we have pre-constantine papyrii confirms the diety of christ. john1:1 talks about jesus being god in the flesh and all of creation b eing made though him which is the smae idea in colosians written 50 AD. it says ejsu is above all things in heaven and on earth. Tomas in John written at the lastest in 90 AD calls jesus his god and jesus accepts it,
the only risen y they think Jesus isn't the son of God cause they say God can't have a son. Now listen closely what I said "God can't". Wait that doesn't make sense cause God can do all things. Jesus is the lord of my lord, He is the image of the invisible God, the frist born from heaven not the earth(adam). He is the resurcation and the life, the beginning and the end, the word that became flesh. He is are salvation(God), not areselves.
if you say that Jesus(pbuh) was the "IMAGE" of invisible GOD. than you are going against your Bible because it says: Thou shalt not make thee any graven IMAGE, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven anove, or that is in earth beneath or that is in the waters beneath the earth. [Deuteronomy 5:7] you say "God can't" Bible again says; "for I the Lord, thy GOD am a Jealous God. [Deuteronomy 5:9] can you Imagine or associate "JEALOUSY" from GOD because its in human's nature but not in God's!
1. did I make Jesus, who is the image of the invisible God?
2.I never said God can't, thats what people like you say. they say God can't have a son.
Listen my eyes has seen the Lords salvation and he is Jesus, God a spiritual being if he had a face it would look like Jesus's face.
Even satan tryed to us the scriptures just like how you have but he went wrong in one place, and that place is contexts just like how you have done. Jesus is Lord.
if god had a face he would have showed it to moses but he couldnt because moses would have died. GOD does not have a face like jesus. ITS not for us to know how god looks. dawitness11 you said he was the first born in heaven? what does this mean? are you saying that god created jesus in heaven? TYPE IN THE YOUYUBE search type first council of nicea. And you will see their was a big diagreement between the christians about the divinity of christ.THE roman emporer had to get involved.
First off jesus pre-existed, john and collosians tell us that all of creation was made through and for him, secondly it is not a violation of his own commandments for god to enter human form.
@Dawitness11 where u said:Jesus is the lord of my lord.<<this is not meaning that jesus is equal to god or is god. lord in the bible is meant as master. JESUS IS YOUR MASTER(TEACHER) AND GOD IS JESUS'S MASTER. nothing more nothing less
trinity is a man made thing to help people understand God as three persons in one.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. Matt 28:19-20
you must understand that God has always been even before religion, once again man made religion. But the God whom I serve as always been. And he is one. No the reason why Jesus said that is because thoes where the last commandments. Listen the word of God is sharper then a double egded sword.
Truthbeknown: the triune baptism in matthew is not an addition of the catholic church. There is not 1 manuscript without this verse and even the didache an early Christian teaching manuscript which dates to 70 AD used Matthew and has the triune baptism present. Therefore as there is no actual evidence this is an addition all you have is supposition which is far from convincing or conclusive.
christians dont beleivei n 3 gods but one please learn the difference between tritheism and trinity. Pelase show me where the bible says we beleivei n 3 gods! Rahter we believe in 1 god in 3 persons which is different.
sorry sir I don't understand ur theology! 1 god in 3 persons in the same time?!!how come? U mean 3 parts or 3 stages? at the same time or at different times? the soul that controlled Jesus' body was human or divine? & where is the role of the 3rd part in the old testament?
nope this a common Muslim lie against this verse which i will refute right now. in koine greek the original language of the text the verse goes ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ• ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου. Literally Thomas answered and said to him the lord of me and the god of me. the dative singular pronoun αὐτῷ (auto) is used indicating it is being said to him. If lord was being said to Jesus
thats what they say. but I was completly sober. I was worshiping God at the time...I will send you the song that I was worshiping him, and the frist time I seen his face.
thats a lie hen, the greek gramar disrpoves this lie against john 20:28. The grek pronoun autou is used in the singular indicating jesus is the only person being spoken too otherwise it would be autois in the plural. as its singular the greek gramamr proves it is impossible for thomas to be adressing anyone but jesus and not god seperately.
@Mrhakam07 the creator is not part of creation because then he would cease to be the Creator, the Creator is Eternal, the creation is perishable, these two massive contradictions between the Abrahamic God and Christian God show that Christianisty is a cult far from the true teaching of the Messiah, Issa bin Miriam Alaihis Salam
if god wants to enter into his creation to achieve a purpose he has the power to do so and can so and still remain god. You are placing limits on the power of god when its limitless. There is nothing god cannot do if he so desires . there is contradiction between the Abraham and Christian god , we believe in 1 god not 3.
... Jesus name was not Issa bin Miriam Alaihis but yeshua ben yosef, isa comes from the greek transliteration of jesus name iesous and was not jesus real name so get your facts right. The catholic church is the only church founded by christ matthew 16:18 and the blief in the trinity was taught by jesus matthew 28:19 nad as you muslims do not follow this it is you who do not follow what jesus actually taught but what an imagined non-existant muslim jesus isa supposedly taught.
jesus was returning to his god because he came to earth as a human servant emptied of his diety and was returning to his father a few verses later we find
In John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Jesus my lord and my god. Jesus answered and said to him you have believed because you have seen me, blessed is he who has not seen and believes
In John 8:58 Jesus claimed pre-existence when he said "before Abraham was, I Am
30 I and my Father are one.31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God
Christians do think jesus was prophet, the messiah always was prophet but also more than that, jesus himself numerous times calls himself the son of god, talks about his blood being poured out for the sins of the world etc .
There is no evidence what so ever that 1 single Christian doctrine came from Mithraism thwe only similarity is that mithras followers had a type of communion but this was not the flesh and blood of their god and was not to commemorate the death of mithr
and god to someone else this pronoun would be in the plural αὐτοις meaning to them. As only the singular is used this pronoun indicates that no other person but Jesus is being spoken to, not god separately.Furthermore you did not mention this other Muslim argument against this verse but I will refute it anyway. Some muslims try to argue that Thomas isnt calling jesus god because its the expression ohh my god because Thomas is surprised
The original text again disproves this as the noun θεός (theos) is in the nominative case indicating its the subject
for this to be the expression ohh my god it would have to be θεέ in the vocative case or form. Vocative is a special form of the noun used especially for exclamations and as the vocative form is not used it is therefore impossible for this to be the expression ohh my god and the only possible reading is that Thomas is calling jesus god almighty
This video is just propaganda for Islam. Human logic and reason is not revelation. The Spirit of God, through Jesus Christ the Son, of God, by the Holy Spirit gives divine revelation, not human logic or reasoning in claiming to decode the Bible. People are always using past pagan beliefs to contradict real Christianity, or Paul in the new testament. People do take the Bible out of context or use certain scriptures to validate Islam teachings., Muhammad, and the Quran. I am not impress.
but you are relying on what other people have said are revelations from God from thousands of years ago and only believing the "revelations" that you want to believe at that
Actually, the Dead Sea Scrolls mentioned that Essenes believed in a new kingdom of some kind coming,
Some of their writings talk about a Messiah of David that is a kind of kingly figure who will come to lead the war. But there's also a Messiah of Aaron, a priestly figure, who will come to restore the Temple at Jerusalem to its proper purity and worship of God. In addition to these two major Messianic figures, There was also talk about a prophet figure. Search
I will deny anything or anyone who does not profess the Father of Heaven, and thinks of himself as a messiah.
There is but one way to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ.
I am in no way talking Catholicism, as it is mentioned in the Bible as being the mother of harlots, the beast, the great whore. And now Muslims are joining this organization and putting statues of isis (Catholics call it Mary), so the can bow to a statue, this is against the Heavenly Father, he said no idol worshiping.
''There is but one way to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ.''
What if I can prove without a doubt that even a pagan can be saved according to the new testament??
Why don't u study ur own bible?. Christians are so ignorant of their own teachings! Had u studied the new testament u wouldn't have made such a ignorant statement. One doesn't even need to be baptised to be saved according to the new testament! do me a favor & read ur own bible?
um, you should proof read your typing before you submit it to be a reply. you see, you did not say what I said, you are not showing me anything, but yet telling me read better.
Your error?="One doesn't even need to be baptised to be saved according to the new testament!" I never said this in my statement, I said One way to Heaven through Jesus Christ. and that is what Jesus himself taught, you must go through him to get to the Father, no mention of baptising. some teach this, but Christ did not.
Pagans become Christians upon receiving salvation through Jesus! We are not born a Christian, we become one only by accepting that the Messiah walked this earth, ate from this earth, died a horrible death on this earth, rose 3 days later out of the tomb on this earth, and ascended up to heaven a few days after his resurrection.
Baptism is a sign of following Jesus since he was baptized, but it is not a way for salvation.
'Pagans become Christians upon receiving salvation through Jesus!.''
I do not understand what u mean. Do u mean one has to become a christian inorder to receive salvation? pls clarify? can a pagan receive salvation even though he rejects the biblical Jesus???
we are all pagan or lost before accepting salvation in Jesus.
if anyone rejects Jesus, then he/she has not received salvation.
there is no pressure or need to force this on anyone, it is up to a person to accept or deny, if anyone says they need to go to war in the name of jesus to convince another, they are not working for Jesus. Jesus said put down the sword and be peaceful, he also said to turn the other check.
Do not confuse true Jesus with catholicism or any warring form.
Ur answer reply tells me u have not studied ur bible. If u cared to check the NT u will see that if a christian woman marries a pagan and the pagan remains as he is, he is still Holy. Kids grow up and become satanists they are still Holy. According to Paul.
I know the passage you refer to, I admit this one baffles me.
This passage was either edited or Paul has it wrong, some will say Paul was incorrect in some teachings.
I think the passage is edited in the KJV, and I have never checked in earlier versions. I guess it was not a concern of mine cause I believe that we all have our salvation through Jesus and Jesus only, it is up to each of us to accept it.
Thanks for being very honest. I have never come across a 'christian' that has doubted Paul's epistle, well, some parts of it. I leave it to u to continue picking and choosing which parts of the bible ur goodself accepts and rejects. I have another verse which I'd like u to take a look at:
I Tim. 4:10 ''...God Who is the Saviour of ALL MEN specially [specially does not mean exclusively] of those that believe".
if salvation depends only upon having a faith in Jesus(pbuh) as a GOD or a son of GOD than what happens to those who lived and died before the birth of Christ?
1+1+1 = 3 [instead of] 1+1+1 = 1
Wake Up! Paulians uh'ohh i mean christians Learn Maths i mean HOLY QUR'AN before its too late. ~ Spreading Peace and Love~
@klegster in christianity u are not required to do anything good...ALL U HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE that christ died for your sins...so in christianity you dont have to help your fellew man in anything not even the orphans....which even jesus in the bible says you do
Jesus told us to give a coat to a poor person if we have 2, he told us to feed the poor and help those who are worse off.
Faith without works is dead, according to the Bible.
As far as rich christians (evangelists and those who follow them), they are not of Christ, they live for money, the Root of All Evil is the Love of Money.
jesus said what you do to the least of these you do unto me.he instructed us to help the poor and theneedy but works alone will not save you becauseyou will never be good enough as we are all marred by sin this why jesus died for our sins. but just because he did so does not mena that we can act like beasts. james jesus's brother said faith without works is dead . not meaning you are saved by your works but that if your faith has no works eminating from them then its flawed faith.
Give me the clear answer here. Jesus died for whom? For what sin? Is he God or man or is he both? Where did he say he would die for you? Where did he say that he was equal or less equal to God? I want you to put it in crystal clear words. I agree faith (not just blind faith) without work is dead. Now you are contradicting again, if you are saved by the your faith then the work is not necessary. In fact your good work qualifies you because you have faith and both go hand in hand
jesus christ died for the sins of humanity as jesus said he would. he was divine but entered into human form as a humble servant, having emptied himself philipians 2:5-10. he was both human and divine, hisdivine spirirt remained thoughhe was in human form but he emptied himself of his power. jesus claimed to pre-exist,
... claimed to beone with the father, claimed to be not from this world and fromheaven. i have already said jesus said his blood would bepoured out for the remission of sins duringthelast supper. jesus was killed for making himself equal with god , proved his diety with the resurection and accepted being called god almighty in john 20:28 by thomas.
When Jesus said that his kingdom is not of this world he meant that spiritual kingdom. Where did he make himself with equal with God? He said he could do nothing on his own.
catholics are not true christians. they donot fully believe that Jesus Christ has forgiven them from the cross, Their traditional rituals, their man-made laws regarding purgatory & their discouragement of their followers to read The Holy Bible separates them from us true followers of Jesus. We who profess to know love believe in Jesus as our God & Savior is manifested by our spiritual fruit which is given by God our Father through His gift of His Holy Spirit to those who call upon His Holy Name!
v8350chrome 7 months ago
The Jewish book is the old testament (Torah) wich should not be attached to the new Testament. The Quarran is more of a philosophical guide and quite beautifuly writen. Hinduism comes from zaroastinism (thus spoke zatharusta). There is only one god, one creator. Xenohanes said he was at the center of the universe and his thought vibrated all things into being. Jesus said love your enimies and learn from them. When do we pick up each others books and LEARN?
robertoshea1 1 year ago
all you guys need to open your eyes and heart and come unbiased to learn something from this video about history..i love jesus..and i know jesus had enemies..perhaps more than anyone person.. so why not stick to only what jesus said and what his personal disciples said.. not paul becuase paul is an obvious liar and delusional person. lets use our minds before we choose something to follow with our heart
KingSageMusic 1 year ago
@KingSageMusic Exactly. Christians, Muslim, and Jews have all been killing each other and bashing each other for thousands of years. We all love one God. We will be united in time. I pray that time comes soon. the shedding of blood for the same beliefs needs to stop. it would if we could listen to one another and want to learn instead of saying my religion is right yours is wrong. peace to all my brothers and sisters
licoricerain 10 months ago
religion is silly. Jeezus said this, mohammad said that blablabla
who cares?
Got evidence for the existence of god? no? thank you, next!
De4sher 1 year ago
Simply put; Christianity=Islam=Judaism=Mythology. Plain and simple. They are reinventions of each other; all expressions of primitive human attempts to explain the unknown; all neither inherently bad nor good. It is what the current practitioners of these religions represent today that must be judged.
ddoyle11 1 year ago
Jesus said: Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, DID WE NOT PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME AND IN YOUR NAME DRIVE OUT DEMONS AND PERFORM MANY MIRACLES? Then I will tell them plainly I never knew you. AWAY FROM ME YOU EVIL DOERS!. Matthew 7:21
sangarkurd09 1 year ago
so if there was nothing bfore god, and god created everything, so god made the devil, and god knows everything that is happing and is going to happin then god is the reason for all the suffering in the world... interesting
duranmalcolmbunn 1 year ago
THE Trinity is totally BIBLICAL ~ & was there before all these "Religions" visible in the Natural world, as the HINDUS have stated "The TRINITY is visible everywhere in nature" ~ The Lord did everything in 3's in the Bible. Isaiah 6:3 "HOLY,HOLY,HOLY" endless...MOST of you MOSLEMS cannot UNDERSTAND nor COMPREHEND nor See the TRINITY, as you're OCCLUDED.
QueenBeeSERBIAAA 1 year ago
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ChristEternity 1 year ago
JESUS is SAME in NATURE as the FATHER ~ Note in Isaiah 9:6,7 ~ UNTO us a CHILD is BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called WOnderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlastin Father, The Prince of Peace...
QueenBeeSERBIAAA 1 year ago
Not true.. :Paul did not "create" Christian dogma.. God used him to spread the message... Jesus is the only way.. no man comes to Father except through Him..
bonniegable7 1 year ago
@bonniegable7 Paul was desperate to spread his corrupted version of Christianity, " I have made myself a slave to all that I might win the more,......I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.... 1 Corinthians 9:19-23
jahmed77 1 year ago
@bonniegable7 That is very true, every prophet at his time was the only way to God, but Paul contradicted this and called everyone towards his doctrin.
jahmed77 1 year ago
Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's Who sent me." [John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father Who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]
islam4jesus 1 year ago
@islam4jesus Trying to add scripture to assist in any argument againts the video is just stupid! Your scripture doesn't make Jesus/Judeism/Islam any more logical. The god of the Jews, Muslims, and Christians is the same god...it's just a made-up god STOLLEN from Pegans. History and all the evidence proves it. Religious nuts just blame the devil or ignore the facts. Your blind and your holding civilization back from progress. Just stop!!!
JoseATurner 1 year ago
@JoseATurner "FOR the video"...Thought a good point was being made by the video that ALL religion is just fucking bullshit, but then I saw the word "Quran" and knew this was one of those sneaky pro Islam videos. Why do you that? Why do you try to attack Judeism/Christianity for being fake, and say that the Quran has all the answers? Islam was literaly STOLLEN from the very people they attack! STOLLEN and FAKE!!!
JoseATurner 1 year ago
Paul was also deceived and was a praise seeker without the spirit for a time. He was not a hand picked apostle and caused an apostasy in his time because he lied to win souls who did not bring forth good fruit by doing so. In the end he repented. Jesus said the shall be tares amongst the wheat. Some of his teachings are the Tares in the bible. You are being lead astray by the catholic church and Paul. Seek for your self for your heart speaks to you. Follow the two olive trees Math & John, Truth.
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago 2
@SeekTruthinLight for a second just focus on the concept of a god and not what the books say. If there truly is a God, he must be an ultimate master of all things. If he is split into three, how can he alone be an Almighty God? God has to be one and all other things are well below his stature, he must be devoid of our humanly dependencies and ideas such as sons and daughters and wives. he is supposed to be independent of all these things. He doesnt need a son, he is a complete different being.
azeemos 1 year ago
@SeekTruthinLight how do you explain the numerous verses quoted from the BIBLE in this video making it clear that JESUS was not God nor a son of God? isnt this the biggest contradiction in your book where in one place it says 3 gods and other places 1 and only 1 God!? You yourself apparently dont read the bible often enough to notice this major contradiction. Islam says christianity was badly distorted into what it is today. think about it.
azeemos 1 year ago
At the time of Isiah God had not brought fourth his Son as the sacrifice yet. In the time of Isiah one needed to sacrifice an animal for remission of sins, If that wasn't done, sins remained. God brought fourth his a Son to relate to man, to bring fourth a new way to be forgiven of sin, for God knew there would be a sacrifice. The Trinity was not formed until the resurrection was complete and after Jesus show himself resurrected. Jesus coming made manifest the Trinity. Seek the truth in Jesus.
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago 2
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"
Become "as one of us"???? Who's us??? Oh the trinity, it's God talking to Jesus!
sweetbilly 2 years ago
John 1:
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
Didn't Jesus call himself the "word" of God??
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
So all thing which was made was made through the "word"? Jesus is God!
sweetbilly 2 years ago
"14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
I love how Muslims claim Jesus was a prophet contradicting even Jesus himself (who claimed to be the word/messiah, not a prophet) ...as though God would send a liar in his name.
Jesus ABSOLUTELY claimed to be God in the flesh!! There can be no other interpretation! h-t-t-p://bibleprobe(dot)com/jesus-is-God(dot)htm
sweetbilly 2 years ago
So the "word became flesh" and we have "seen his glory"??? To see him? That means he must have came to earth sometime in the "PAST" right??
I and the Father are one (John 10:30)
"Before Abraham was, I am" I am was the name the spirit of the lord give to Abraham in the old testament to recognize the messiah.
Would a prophet of God "LIE" to man??? How could God lie or send a false prophet to lie in his place????????
sweetbilly 2 years ago
Mary, Jesus mother, was a blessed woman, even in the religion of Islam so Jesus divinity can not be denied!!!!!
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23
sweetbilly 2 years ago
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
God will not allow another to come claiming to be the messiah!
John 17:5 tells us Jesus said; "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
"WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS"
Who ever claims Jesus is not the messiah is in DEEP DEEP trouble!!
sweetbilly 2 years ago
It is completely asinine to claim Jesus was not the messiah, as Jesus claimed to be the messiah, and then use Christian/new testament scriptures in an attempt to invalidate what Jesus said. DoH! ...that's blasphemy!
Just because the nimrod who made this video can not read the bible or properly interpret it doesn't in any way invalidate it. Every scripture quoted in this video was "mans take" on who Jesus was/is, not what Jesus claimed to be. In fact the bible said NONE believed. Doh!
sweetbilly 2 years ago
There are no scriptures written by the hand of man that will claim Jesus was the messiah during his life, because no one believed he was. That's why men are not allowed to CHANGE scriptures without facing Gods wrath ...the liars will weed themselves out, just try to prove God is a liar!!!
sweetbilly 2 years ago
Muhammad was the biggest liar and blasphemer of them all changing Gods word!! That was proven when a 7th century koran was found between the rafters of a very old mosque. The modern Koran was found to be changed SEVERELY and in fact the old Koran was more like the CHRISTIAN version of the bible than the modern Koran ...as validated by the worlds foremost leading expert on Korans! Islam is a LIE! It is not Gods word, it is Gods word CHANGED!
sweetbilly 2 years ago
aweetbilly
Can you be a man and woman at the same time? Can you be God and man at the same time? Can Mary be the mother of Jesus and wife of God at the same time.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
You can be man and women at the same time, Hermaphrodite. Jesus is Christianity. It did not exist before him. He did teach christianity which God sent his son as a sacrifice, the lamb of God The Vatican & other religions are those who sin by seeking there own glory & praise at the pulpit, Satan deceives many, dressing as an ANGEL of light, including Mohammad and many Religious leaders. Mithras is The Romans & Satan trying to appease pagan congregations. You know this in your heart. Seek Jesus
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago
@SeekTruthinLight Blah, blah. "You know this in your heart." Truths we 'know in our hearts' are no truths whatsoever.
MsCoralline 1 year ago
SeekTruthinLight
Of course there are hermaphrodite but they are not normal as all the other human beings like man and woman.
I know Satan is a very powerful customer but those who worship are protected by God but he is active with those who worship idols and Jesus is an idol. I don't think you understand this because you are being control by the Satan to worship a man instead of God. Nothing will change you because Satan runs in your blood and whispers into your heart.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@itchethrilla
I do agree with you that astrology is a hdden theme within the bible and Zeitgeist reveals much deception of this age. The Venus project and NEW AGE religion are the next fabrication to deceive the next age. They do this with every age since Egypt. In with the new and out with the old. My point being is those how believe in the Zeitgeist/Venus project are the seeds for the next deception.
STOP THE MADNESS !!!
wiseyeffect 2 years ago
lordneo, give it up, there are 100 000+ different christian doctrines to defend all the different contradictions, not one has received a comforter to guide them into all things pertaining to the law...
Revert2Truth 2 years ago
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all this is proves that it is islam that is pagan and that people in glasshouses should know throw stones. i have already proven that the koran is appropriated from numerous christian textsso you arenot one to speak of plagiarism
LordNeo27 2 years ago
... to account for this similarity between islam and paganism mohammad concocted the history that the pagans learnt these practices from ibrahim but went astray. but ibrahim going to mecca is never mentioned in the torah, there is no archeological evidence mecca existed till 100 ad 200 years after ibrahim, there is no mention of it anywhere amongst the southern arabian kingdoms and the first written reference in the 2000 years of its alleged existence is in 200 ad.
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
not 1 catholic doctrine can to be proven to have come from paganism and please dont rant on about mithras or horus as that has been refuted long ago even by non christian scholars. you arenot one to call catholocism pagan as the black stone you muslims rever on the kaba was considered a diety by the pagans, the kaba was a house of idols that the pagans used to circle (naked), also they ran between safa and marwa, performed ramadan, prayed 7 times a day and called their head diety allah.
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
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we do not beleive they are gods but beleive since they are close to god its ok to ask for their intercession. even some shite muslims pray for the intercession of their saints
LordNeo27 2 years ago
From Mrhakam07:
no it is you who has been decieved as an ex agnostic and pentecostal convert to catholocism i can conclusively say that catholics no not worship idols, wehave statues but we do not consider the statues themselves to be gods and pray to them rather we keep them as reminders. Praying for the intercession of saints and mary is not pagan either,
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
From MrHakam07:
christianity is exactly what jesus preached it is you have been duped. christmas was about jesus but it became comercialised in western countries and replaced christ with a celebration of consumerism.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
In my way of seeing this is that Jesus is God coming to Earth in a tent of Flesh, but to say that Jesus was not a man is also wrong. It was Gaberial who said you shall call his name Imanuel meaning God with us. Isaiah said His name shal be called Wonderful Counselor the Mighty God and the Government shall be on his soldiers. I don;t know where they get this idea of Mary in the trinity. It is Father son, and Holy Ghost. As we are Body, soul and spirit. Jesus is the Yahevah of Judah.
Mrpl778 2 years ago
type this into you tube...Call to show: Jesus or Muhammad with Sam Shamoun & David Wood
SSGwattedge 2 years ago
MrHakam
Everything will be deceptive if you believe on falsehood as what you believe. When you say some fool died for your sin or came to die then there is noting logical for you because you are a living dead your brain doesn't function the way it used to be and your heart becomes the property of Satan and he keeps screwing your brain until he take you to hell with him.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
it is you that are blind. some fool? you justcalledjesus a fool and i though you muslims loved jesu more than the christians. jesus himself said he died fo our sins . jesus is recorded as saying in matthew, luke and mark the night before he was killed. " this is the blood of the new covenant which i pour out for the remission of the sins of the many"
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo
where did Jesus say that he would die for you? He in fact cried when he was on the cross and accused God of betraying him. If you analyze the words Oh my God, oh God why have you forsaken me. It is not even the words of prophet let alone be the words of God. Use your dead brain, and pray to God to take away the covering from your eyes and seal from your heart. If Jesus died for your sin or claimed to be God definitely he is in hell now.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
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not it is you who has a dead brain. why is it you muslims always think you are experts on the bible when you get the most basic things wrong. it is you who have been decieved by the devil not me. i was an anti-christian agnostic until i experienced something supernatural that proved christianity is true and for which there was no logical explanation. but obviously you wont beleive me and accuse me of lying and taking drugs but that is how i know.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo
Devil can only deceive fools like you, devil cannot fool people who use their intelligence and reasoning. Even a lot of Hindus, Buddhist, Jews, Muslims experience something supernatural but that doesn't make one's religion the real truth and the ultimate truth. Sahi Baba claims divinity and performs many supernatural acts. Does that make him God? Still his followers believe that he is God like the Christians do.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
etc. Yes everyone is responsible for their sins but jesus took the penalty for peoples sins on himself
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
Newmuslim you are the misguided one. God does not need his creation to help him run the show, that is not christianity but if god wanted to he has the power to enter into creation, god has the power to do anything. The holy spirit is not the angel gabriel. Show me where the bible says he is . the bible reveals that both jesus and the holy spirt are part of god. John 1:1, philipians 2:5-10, colossian1:15, john 20;28, John chapter 8 .
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
The Roman Church State is the anti christ, dont believe me? check out "David Asscherick" ...also "Walter J Veith"...The ancient Egypt religions could not stand to God when Moses came and rescued the people. So seeing that the Bible is not fake, and can be proven.Everything that means to discredit The Bible is a lie from the agents of Lucifer.
SSGwattedge 2 years ago
No the roman catholic church is the 1 true chruch everythign else is a protestant lie, christ has nothing to do w ith t hese 50,000 protestant sects. The roman catholci church is the chruch jesus founded upon peter.
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
ur nuts the catholic church is no different then all the other christian sect...they all believe in a three person god...which is blasphemy.
hen8167 2 years ago
Mrhakam07 asked me to post his reply:
No you are nuts the catholic church is the only church founded by christ upon peter matthew 16:18. We believein what jesus, paul and al lt eh aposltes taught 1 god in 3 persons, what you believe that jesus is not god that is what is blasphemy as you insult jesus s true identity.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
Yes RCC is a huge church, it has also MURDERED many Christians that only wanted to go and spread the TRUE message of the Bible!
They are blasphemers who put them selves in the "place of God" of earth...Jesus says call no man Father but Him in Heaven. They also now allow their preists to be Free Masons which is Paganistic Lucifer worship....there is one true Church and that is the body of Christ. Those who accept Jesus as their Savior are the true church.
SSGwattedge 2 years ago
Jesus called his GOD and Father, LORD of Heaven & Earth and the only true GOD.
Matt.11:25, John.17:3
Jesus said, The Father(YHWH) is greater than ALL. (Not some, ALL)
There is only 1 GOD and Father who is over ALL, through ALL, and in ALL. Ephesians.4:6
epic103 2 years ago
paul wrote there is one god and one lord jesus not becuase ejsus isnt god but becausehe was using the shema hear oh israel the lord your god is one to show that the lrod adn god are in hypostatic union together. not to say that jesus isnt god.
everyonewho wants to see my refutation of this video scroll down a couple of pages
MrHakam09 2 years ago
PAUL AND HIS COHORTS invented the trinity ..hell ..paul wasnt even an apostal..and never met jesus.
hen8167 2 years ago
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SSGwattedge 2 years ago
The doctrines of nicea all predated Constantine by hundreds of years and are recorded in the bible and by early church fathers long before so this is false. And jesus quoted hear oh israel the lord your god is one because it is the shema a central jewish creed
MrHakam09 2 years ago
yes but the division in christianity between the christians who believed in jesus divinity and the ones who did not, predated constantine and the council of nicea
hen8167 2 years ago
hen you are misinformed the diety of christ predated nicea. The bible talks about it and its written long before 325 AD, we have the writings of church fathers for 200 years before nicea all confirming the diety of christ and the trinity and also the writings of non -christian pagans doing the same. go read pliny the younger who 106 ad wrote to the pagan roman emepror about christians singing hymns to christ like to a god
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
Nicea did not invent doctrines but oppose the new arian heresy which only came into existence in the 3rd century the beleift hat jesus was divine is present in earleist christianity.
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
Jesus was a prophet but also more than that so Jesus being called a prophet in no way refutes Christianity, the messiah was to be a prophet. Constantine did not destroy all authentic bibles. The bible did not exist until the time of Constantine but the books did exist long before so Constantine could not have bunt any bibles And we have papyri copies of many of the books of the NT from the 2nd century so it is impossible for him to have destroyed anything.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
no it does not refute true christianity you are right ...but he was ONLY a prophet not god.
hen8167 2 years ago
others on earth before his ascension into heaven. . . even if there are myths about dying and rising gods prior to Christianity, that doesnt mean the New Testament writers copied from them.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
Dr. Norman Geisler wrote, The only known account of a god surviving death that predates Christianity is the Egyptian cult god Osiris. In this myth, Osiris is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. However, Osiris does not actually come back to physical life but becomes a member of a shadowy underworld. . This is far different than Jesus resurrection account where he was the gloriously risen Prince of life who was seen by
MrHakam09 2 years ago
Ankerberg and Weldon wrote In sum, skeptic claims of Christianity being borrowed from ancient Egypt, India, Rome, Greece, and Persia can be disregarded as false because there are no primary sources for these parallels pre-dating A.D. 150. This is more than 100 years after the origin of Christianity!
MrHakam09 2 years ago
Dr. Walter Burkert, a Greek religion scholar and author stated,There is no evidence for a resurrected Attis, even Osiris remains with the dead
Even atheists and non-Christian scholars have rejected this idea that Christianity has been borrowed from ancient myths. The well respected Sir Edward Evans Pritchard an expert on religious anthropology wrote, The evidence for this theory. . . is negligible.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
No followers of mithras ever believed his blood bore eternal life, or that mithras died for the sins of the world. Mithras wasnt crucified or resurrected. And mithras wasnt born of a virgin neither was he born of a rock. Neither washe the son of a god. These theories are rejected by scholarship and are not supported by any ancient evidence.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
now to the subject of this video there is no connection between Jesus and mithras that is lie propagated by zeitgeist and various neo-pagans. There are no similarities between Jesus and mithras apart his followers having a communal meal of bread and wine. mithra slayed a bull and this meal commemorated the meal mithras had with the sun god. It was not considered his flesh or his blood.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
This was opposed because it went against the NT and because it went against what the apostles taught. So there was an ecclestiastical conference at nicea with over 300 church father voting in favour of jesus full iety and only 2 arian leaders against arguing he was a lesser created being. It defined and unifed the faith basedo n the earliest doctrines not invented doctrines. You are misinformed
MrHakam09 2 years ago
. then we have the writing of early church fathers for over 200 years before nicea indicating beleif in the trinity, the diety of christ the resurrection and crucifixion so your argument that Constantine invented this is without substance. Furthermore you do not even know why nicea was called it was not to invent christs deity but to define and unify the faith and also too oppose the 3rd century Arian heresy.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
paul writing 50 ad describes jesus being in the form of god equal to him then emptying himself taking on human form, he became a servant obedient to the point of death on a cross. again thsi is long before nicea in 325 AD. on top of this pliny the younger a pagan roman wrote to the pagan emperor trajan i nt he early 2nd century and noted that christians sang hymns to christ like to a god . this is a hostile witness
MrHakam09 2 years ago
PAUL was not even an apostal to christ.
hen8167 2 years ago
Religion is a fairytale and its practice is a cult.
ndyt 2 years ago
You cannot mix true Christianity with Muslim faith....they do not believe in the Bible or the life of Christ but have distorted it to their ways, The helper is the Holy Spirit, NOT Muhammad . Jesus died on the cross for our sins so that we coul dbe freed from sin and bondage, God Bless
SSGwattedge 2 years ago
you dont think its funny that so many other religions have the same story as the bible....stories that predate the bible. the bible ripped of almost everythng from egyptian paganism.
B4mytyme 2 years ago
if the holy spirit was helper then why did jesus say he has to go for the comforter to come ...and if the holy spirit was not there at that time what decended to jesus while he was getting baptised and what was inspiring his apostals that whole time if the holy spirit was not present already.
hen8167 2 years ago
The holy spirit already existed but he existed in the role of a comforter only after jesus died and rose from the dead. The comforter is described numerous times as a spirirt pnuema in greek in the nueter form indicating the spirit is not human as nueter is not used for human beings. John 14;25 literally calls thehelper the holy spirirt and elsewhere the comforter is described as invisable. the comforter , it is not mohamamd that is stupid
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
Mrhakam07
Jesus said that there were anything to say unto you but you cannot bear them now but when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all truth. Now can you give me a single truth the comforter the Holy Ghost guided you into for the last 2000 years? Another comforter means another man like Jesus. When Jesus preached the Holy spirit was there helping him. So how many Holy Spirit are there. All human being are spirit and those holy ones are called Holy Spirit. You are a blind man.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
From Mrhakam07:
nope a comforter means a helper and it is literally described as the holy spirit and always in the nueter pnuema in greek indicating it is not a man and not human. mohamamd was the antithesis of jesus, he comforted nobody but followed the way of the sword something jesus expresly forbid in his teachings. what proof do you have that his is mohammad zilch! the holy spirit already existed but was not in the role of a comforter until after jesus returned to the father.
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo
You must be blind or ignorant to say it was the Holy Spirit because Jesus said that another comforter he means that he believed he was a comforter. In fact the Holy Spirit was there when Jesus preached. He also said comforter will guide you into all truth; just tell me a single new thing that Holy Ghost guided you into all truth. BTW we do not need to use the Bible to claim the prophet hood of Muhammad. In fact almost all the scriptures speak about him, even Hindu scriptures as well
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
@voiceofreasoning
Don't try to teach me catholic theology:
Or your arguments are valid because the Bible is True, but you are following a liar.
Or the Bible is wrong and your arguments too.
Think before shouting.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo27
If Old Testament is true then there wouldn't be any need for a New Testament and if the New Testament is true then there would't be a need for the Qur'an. When are you going to learn or use your dead brain?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
OT is true, but not all of it. NT is the complete true, so there's no need for teh Quran.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo27
If not all of it is true why do call it a word of God and everyone knows that the NT is the most corrupted book compare to other books in the Bible.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
"OT is true, but not all of it"--->"OT is true, but not all of it (of the truth)"
LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo27
"OT is true, but not all of it"--->"OT is true, but not all of it (of the truth)"
Well, half truth is a lie.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Is not half true, but uncomplete true, is a significant difference.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
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before this he was not in that role but did exist. nope the holy spirit is neveronce described as human or people as holy spirirts in the bible so that is flawed. showme whereit says mohamamd is the comforter.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
did you see what it said in isaiah 43:10 god says before me no GOD was formed nor will their be one after me. IAM THE LORD AND THERE IS NONE AFTER ME.
hen8167 2 years ago
hen contd your arguemtn that constantine invented christianity is flawed. the NT of which we have pre-constantine papyrii confirms the diety of christ. john1:1 talks about jesus being god in the flesh and all of creation b eing made though him which is the smae idea in colosians written 50 AD. it says ejsu is above all things in heaven and on earth. Tomas in John written at the lastest in 90 AD calls jesus his god and jesus accepts it,
MrHakam09 2 years ago
all these documents came after jesus.
hen8167 2 years ago
Thanks for the bible verses.
aorphia 2 years ago
@aorphia you meant paulianity verses
hen8167 2 years ago
the only risen y they think Jesus isn't the son of God cause they say God can't have a son. Now listen closely what I said "God can't". Wait that doesn't make sense cause God can do all things. Jesus is the lord of my lord, He is the image of the invisible God, the frist born from heaven not the earth(adam). He is the resurcation and the life, the beginning and the end, the word that became flesh. He is are salvation(God), not areselves.
You get it?
Dawitness11 2 years ago
reason sorry
Dawitness11 2 years ago
if you say that Jesus(pbuh) was the "IMAGE" of invisible GOD. than you are going against your Bible because it says: Thou shalt not make thee any graven IMAGE, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven anove, or that is in earth beneath or that is in the waters beneath the earth. [Deuteronomy 5:7] you say "God can't" Bible again says; "for I the Lord, thy GOD am a Jealous God. [Deuteronomy 5:9] can you Imagine or associate "JEALOUSY" from GOD because its in human's nature but not in God's!
Rewriterz 2 years ago
fool read my words again, slowly this time.
1. did I make Jesus, who is the image of the invisible God?
2.I never said God can't, thats what people like you say. they say God can't have a son.
Listen my eyes has seen the Lords salvation and he is Jesus, God a spiritual being if he had a face it would look like Jesus's face.
Even satan tryed to us the scriptures just like how you have but he went wrong in one place, and that place is contexts just like how you have done. Jesus is Lord.
Dawitness11 2 years ago
if god had a face he would have showed it to moses but he couldnt because moses would have died. GOD does not have a face like jesus. ITS not for us to know how god looks. dawitness11 you said he was the first born in heaven? what does this mean? are you saying that god created jesus in heaven? TYPE IN THE YOUYUBE search type first council of nicea. And you will see their was a big diagreement between the christians about the divinity of christ.THE roman emporer had to get involved.
hen8167 2 years ago
dawitness11 no you didnt make make jesus. IF GOD did then he will violate his own commandment by making jesus on earth.
hen8167 2 years ago
First off jesus pre-existed, john and collosians tell us that all of creation was made through and for him, secondly it is not a violation of his own commandments for god to enter human form.
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
@Dawitness11 where u said:Jesus is the lord of my lord.<<this is not meaning that jesus is equal to god or is god. lord in the bible is meant as master. JESUS IS YOUR MASTER(TEACHER) AND GOD IS JESUS'S MASTER. nothing more nothing less
hen8167 2 years ago
The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." Psalm 110:1
God is one.
Dawitness11 2 years ago
god is one ... the trinity is a fabrication.
hen8167 2 years ago
trinity is a man made thing to help people understand God as three persons in one.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. Matt 28:19-20
Dawitness11 2 years ago
that was added by the Catholic Church. Its the only place where you see it. Everywhere else it says to baptize in the name of Jesus (Yahushua).
truthbknwn 2 years ago
you must understand that God has always been even before religion, once again man made religion. But the God whom I serve as always been. And he is one. No the reason why Jesus said that is because thoes where the last commandments. Listen the word of God is sharper then a double egded sword.
Dawitness11 2 years ago
Truthbeknown: the triune baptism in matthew is not an addition of the catholic church. There is not 1 manuscript without this verse and even the didache an early Christian teaching manuscript which dates to 70 AD used Matthew and has the triune baptism present. Therefore as there is no actual evidence this is an addition all you have is supposition which is far from convincing or conclusive.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
to say god is three in any form is blasphemy.
hen8167 2 years ago
your right finaly. God is one! and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth. remember that?
Dawitness11 2 years ago
god is one ...not one in three persons or forms like christianity claims ...
hen8167 2 years ago
do you believe in Jehovah?
Dawitness11 2 years ago
i believe in allah=god
hen8167 2 years ago
christians dont beleivei n 3 gods but one please learn the difference between tritheism and trinity. Pelase show me where the bible says we beleivei n 3 gods! Rahter we believe in 1 god in 3 persons which is different.
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
@Mrhakam
sorry sir I don't understand ur theology! 1 god in 3 persons in the same time?!!how come? U mean 3 parts or 3 stages? at the same time or at different times? the soul that controlled Jesus' body was human or divine? & where is the role of the 3rd part in the old testament?
drbungooo 2 years ago
yes i get it....ITS TOTAL BLASPHEMY ...what you are saying... dawitness
hen8167 2 years ago
the disciple said to Jesus "my Lord AND my God."
combatvetlawstudent 2 years ago
Read the Gospel of James and Jude
watch?v=bQeDQ8dPxNU
Revert2Truth 2 years ago
there is no gospel of james and jude they are epistles
MrHakam09 2 years ago
and by the way i have already refuted this vid check out the comments
MrHakam09 2 years ago
so what. He is right my lord MEANING JESUS and my god meaning GOD almighty. my lord and my god
hen8167 2 years ago
what I said was Jesus is MY lord and MY GOD As Thomas did refer to.
combatvetlawstudent 2 years ago
hen8167:
nope this a common Muslim lie against this verse which i will refute right now. in koine greek the original language of the text the verse goes ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ• ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου. Literally Thomas answered and said to him the lord of me and the god of me. the dative singular pronoun αὐτῷ (auto) is used indicating it is being said to him. If lord was being said to Jesus
MrHakam09 2 years ago
yes thomas said "the lord of me (master- teacher) and the god of me ...meaning jesus and god seperatly
hen8167 2 years ago
wrong do not add or take away from Gods word....
CAn I tell you something real quick?
I have seen the Lords salvation with my own two eyes. I have stood before Jesus face to face. Jesus is God!
Dawitness11 2 years ago
get off the drugs that are making you hallucinate.
hen8167 2 years ago
thats what they say. but I was completly sober. I was worshiping God at the time...I will send you the song that I was worshiping him, and the frist time I seen his face.
Dawitness11 2 years ago
thats a lie hen, the greek gramar disrpoves this lie against john 20:28. The grek pronoun autou is used in the singular indicating jesus is the only person being spoken too otherwise it would be autois in the plural. as its singular the greek gramamr proves it is impossible for thomas to be adressing anyone but jesus and not god seperately.
Mrhakam07 2 years ago
@Mrhakam07 the creator is not part of creation because then he would cease to be the Creator, the Creator is Eternal, the creation is perishable, these two massive contradictions between the Abrahamic God and Christian God show that Christianisty is a cult far from the true teaching of the Messiah, Issa bin Miriam Alaihis Salam
Revert2Truth 2 years ago
Mrhakam07 asked me to answer:
if god wants to enter into his creation to achieve a purpose he has the power to do so and can so and still remain god. You are placing limits on the power of god when its limitless. There is nothing god cannot do if he so desires . there is contradiction between the Abraham and Christian god , we believe in 1 god not 3.
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo27
God becoming a man is a pagan concept crept or preached by Paul, Jesus never preached this crap.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
... Jesus name was not Issa bin Miriam Alaihis but yeshua ben yosef, isa comes from the greek transliteration of jesus name iesous and was not jesus real name so get your facts right. The catholic church is the only church founded by christ matthew 16:18 and the blief in the trinity was taught by jesus matthew 28:19 nad as you muslims do not follow this it is you who do not follow what jesus actually taught but what an imagined non-existant muslim jesus isa supposedly taught.
LordNeo27 2 years ago
jesus claimed to be god
jesus was returning to his god because he came to earth as a human servant emptied of his diety and was returning to his father a few verses later we find
In John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Jesus my lord and my god. Jesus answered and said to him you have believed because you have seen me, blessed is he who has not seen and believes
In John 8:58 Jesus claimed pre-existence when he said "before Abraham was, I Am
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo27
pre-existence doesn't mean he is God, I can claim that I too can claim that because I too was in the knowledge of God as he plan to create humans.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
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In John 8:23 Jesus said You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 10:30-33
30 I and my Father are one.31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
Lordneo27
You have not completed what Jesus said, "Is it not written in your book ye are gods" so he confirms that he is not even compare to God.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
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Christians do think jesus was prophet, the messiah always was prophet but also more than that, jesus himself numerous times calls himself the son of god, talks about his blood being poured out for the sins of the world etc .
There is no evidence what so ever that 1 single Christian doctrine came from Mithraism thwe only similarity is that mithras followers had a type of communion but this was not the flesh and blood of their god and was not to commemorate the death of mithr
LordNeo27 2 years ago
Lordneo
Christians don't think Jesus was prophet and that's why they are Christians. It is not a proof but a blind belief.,
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
and god to someone else this pronoun would be in the plural αὐτοις meaning to them. As only the singular is used this pronoun indicates that no other person but Jesus is being spoken to, not god separately.Furthermore you did not mention this other Muslim argument against this verse but I will refute it anyway. Some muslims try to argue that Thomas isnt calling jesus god because its the expression ohh my god because Thomas is surprised
MrHakam09 2 years ago
The original text again disproves this as the noun θεός (theos) is in the nominative case indicating its the subject
for this to be the expression ohh my god it would have to be θεέ in the vocative case or form. Vocative is a special form of the noun used especially for exclamations and as the vocative form is not used it is therefore impossible for this to be the expression ohh my god and the only possible reading is that Thomas is calling jesus god almighty
MrHakam09 2 years ago
What you are saying goes against what is stated in the Bible:
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good"
1 Thessalonians 5:21
and "For God is not [the author] of confusion"
1 Corinthians 14:33.
Taqwafirst 2 years ago
my invisible big sky daddy is bigger and better than your invisible magic sky daddy.... he made a mountain, and a midget too...
markofthebeasts 2 years ago
Good for a giggle. The fact that Christianity has it's problems doesn't mean that Islam - or for that matter Judaism - is true! :-)
hairychris444 2 years ago
there has to be truth somewhere IN ONE OF THESE religions.
hen8167 2 years ago
I'm not muslim but this is a very good video showing some of the many problems with christianity
rvittitoe 2 years ago
This video is just propaganda for Islam. Human logic and reason is not revelation. The Spirit of God, through Jesus Christ the Son, of God, by the Holy Spirit gives divine revelation, not human logic or reasoning in claiming to decode the Bible. People are always using past pagan beliefs to contradict real Christianity, or Paul in the new testament. People do take the Bible out of context or use certain scriptures to validate Islam teachings., Muhammad, and the Quran. I am not impress.
2364063 2 years ago
but you are relying on what other people have said are revelations from God from thousands of years ago and only believing the "revelations" that you want to believe at that
rvittitoe 2 years ago
Actually, the Dead Sea Scrolls mentioned that Essenes believed in a new kingdom of some kind coming,
Some of their writings talk about a Messiah of David that is a kind of kingly figure who will come to lead the war. But there's also a Messiah of Aaron, a priestly figure, who will come to restore the Temple at Jerusalem to its proper purity and worship of God. In addition to these two major Messianic figures, There was also talk about a prophet figure. Search
PBS Essence
Taqwafirst 2 years ago
I will deny anything or anyone who does not profess the Father of Heaven, and thinks of himself as a messiah.
There is but one way to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ.
I am in no way talking Catholicism, as it is mentioned in the Bible as being the mother of harlots, the beast, the great whore. And now Muslims are joining this organization and putting statues of isis (Catholics call it Mary), so the can bow to a statue, this is against the Heavenly Father, he said no idol worshiping.
klegster 2 years ago
Klegster said,
''There is but one way to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ.''
What if I can prove without a doubt that even a pagan can be saved according to the new testament??
Why don't u study ur own bible?. Christians are so ignorant of their own teachings! Had u studied the new testament u wouldn't have made such a ignorant statement. One doesn't even need to be baptised to be saved according to the new testament! do me a favor & read ur own bible?
sightuponlight 2 years ago
um, you should proof read your typing before you submit it to be a reply. you see, you did not say what I said, you are not showing me anything, but yet telling me read better.
Your error?="One doesn't even need to be baptised to be saved according to the new testament!" I never said this in my statement, I said One way to Heaven through Jesus Christ. and that is what Jesus himself taught, you must go through him to get to the Father, no mention of baptising. some teach this, but Christ did not.
klegster 2 years ago
klegster,
I am so happy that u agree not only christians but pagans too will be saved, according to the NT.
So, am I right to say that u don't believe in baptism?
Am I right to say that u believe pagans too will be saved according to the NT?
Also, where in the NT did Jesus teach he will get crucified for the original sin and rise on the 3rd day?
Thanks for ur reply.
sightuponlight 2 years ago
sightlight,
Pagans become Christians upon receiving salvation through Jesus! We are not born a Christian, we become one only by accepting that the Messiah walked this earth, ate from this earth, died a horrible death on this earth, rose 3 days later out of the tomb on this earth, and ascended up to heaven a few days after his resurrection.
Baptism is a sign of following Jesus since he was baptized, but it is not a way for salvation.
klegster 2 years ago
klegster said, '
'Pagans become Christians upon receiving salvation through Jesus!.''
I do not understand what u mean. Do u mean one has to become a christian inorder to receive salvation? pls clarify? can a pagan receive salvation even though he rejects the biblical Jesus???
Thanks for ur reply.
sightuponlight 2 years ago
we are all pagan or lost before accepting salvation in Jesus.
if anyone rejects Jesus, then he/she has not received salvation.
there is no pressure or need to force this on anyone, it is up to a person to accept or deny, if anyone says they need to go to war in the name of jesus to convince another, they are not working for Jesus. Jesus said put down the sword and be peaceful, he also said to turn the other check.
Do not confuse true Jesus with catholicism or any warring form.
klegster 2 years ago
klegster,
Ur answer reply tells me u have not studied ur bible. If u cared to check the NT u will see that if a christian woman marries a pagan and the pagan remains as he is, he is still Holy. Kids grow up and become satanists they are still Holy. According to Paul.
Please read, 1 Corinthians 7:14?
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If u wanna save pagans give ur christian daughters to them and they will be saved, lol. According to Paul. Wink!
sightuponlight 2 years ago
I know the passage you refer to, I admit this one baffles me.
This passage was either edited or Paul has it wrong, some will say Paul was incorrect in some teachings.
I think the passage is edited in the KJV, and I have never checked in earlier versions. I guess it was not a concern of mine cause I believe that we all have our salvation through Jesus and Jesus only, it is up to each of us to accept it.
klegster 2 years ago
klegster,
Thanks for being very honest. I have never come across a 'christian' that has doubted Paul's epistle, well, some parts of it. I leave it to u to continue picking and choosing which parts of the bible ur goodself accepts and rejects. I have another verse which I'd like u to take a look at:
I Tim. 4:10 ''...God Who is the Saviour of ALL MEN specially [specially does not mean exclusively] of those that believe".
Thanks again for ur reply :)
sightuponlight 2 years ago
if salvation depends only upon having a faith in Jesus(pbuh) as a GOD or a son of GOD than what happens to those who lived and died before the birth of Christ?
1+1+1 = 3 [instead of] 1+1+1 = 1
Wake Up! Paulians uh'ohh i mean christians Learn Maths i mean HOLY QUR'AN before its too late. ~ Spreading Peace and Love~
Rewriterz 2 years ago
before Christ it was obeying the law, after Christ it was grace through shedding of blood from Christ.
All other religions including islam requires works, and due to Christ, works is dead, there is nothing a person can do to make his/her own salvation.
klegster 2 years ago
@klegster in christianity u are not required to do anything good...ALL U HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE that christ died for your sins...so in christianity you dont have to help your fellew man in anything not even the orphans....which even jesus in the bible says you do
hen8167 2 years ago
you confuse me with your comment.
Jesus told us to give a coat to a poor person if we have 2, he told us to feed the poor and help those who are worse off.
Faith without works is dead, according to the Bible.
As far as rich christians (evangelists and those who follow them), they are not of Christ, they live for money, the Root of All Evil is the Love of Money.
klegster 2 years ago
jesus said what you do to the least of these you do unto me.he instructed us to help the poor and theneedy but works alone will not save you becauseyou will never be good enough as we are all marred by sin this why jesus died for our sins. but just because he did so does not mena that we can act like beasts. james jesus's brother said faith without works is dead . not meaning you are saved by your works but that if your faith has no works eminating from them then its flawed faith.
MrHakam09 2 years ago
MrHakam
Give me the clear answer here. Jesus died for whom? For what sin? Is he God or man or is he both? Where did he say he would die for you? Where did he say that he was equal or less equal to God? I want you to put it in crystal clear words. I agree faith (not just blind faith) without work is dead. Now you are contradicting again, if you are saved by the your faith then the work is not necessary. In fact your good work qualifies you because you have faith and both go hand in hand
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
jesus christ died for the sins of humanity as jesus said he would. he was divine but entered into human form as a humble servant, having emptied himself philipians 2:5-10. he was both human and divine, hisdivine spirirt remained thoughhe was in human form but he emptied himself of his power. jesus claimed to pre-exist,
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo
Jesus did not even claimed to be good,so how can he claim divinity?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
... claimed to beone with the father, claimed to be not from this world and fromheaven. i have already said jesus said his blood would bepoured out for the remission of sins duringthelast supper. jesus was killed for making himself equal with god , proved his diety with the resurection and accepted being called god almighty in john 20:28 by thomas.
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LordNeo27 2 years ago
LordNeo
When Jesus said that his kingdom is not of this world he meant that spiritual kingdom. Where did he make himself with equal with God? He said he could do nothing on his own.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago