@PourGirlNorCal Nice comeback Einstein. You have no legitimate argument. Ever wonder why the educated people are for Obama and the backwoods, dropped out of fifth grade cause they got knocked were for McCain? Check your facts there little mama before you come spewing your insults this way. Try to stick to the facts and not make this personal or you ain't seen personal yet.
Awesome! Some one with some balls. Hello...FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! What about his rights? Commi BO must be IMPEACHED before he takes all of our freedoms away. This man is being threatened for saying something he has every right to say. It's his business. You friken whiny ass liberal freaks need to get your heads examined.
@IDYLBERRY psycho killer republicans are out to sacrifice humans to benefit multimillion dollar corporate interests...after all, we the people don't pay them shit. Who can blame them for going where the money is? And this IS where you will always find the Republicans. Sniffing around the cash. Hoarding the gold. They'd eat their kids and stab their mothers if there was an inheritance to be gained. Cold blooded anti-human, anti -charity, faith and hope subhuman cretins.
@PourGirlNorCal You all kind of take a liberal stance when it comes to porn, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, poison food additives, the lottery, and plastic...Conserva-what? Give the people whatever we can sell em.... Tax booze, porn, deadly drugs and cigarettes...but when it comes to health care you draw the line.
Keep this just out of reach, unaffordable and only for the wealthy.
This is one insidious corporate stroking, human screwing agenda the GOP is pushing. Connect the dots will ya?
@Ovedya2006 Pretty progressive when it came to legalizing gambling and porn, selling drugs and alcohol...suddenly it comes to health care and you are a purist?
Doesn't it tell you something when doctors disagree with the health care bill along with over 60% of America? WHY WOULD OUR PRESIDENT DO THIS IF WE DON'T WANT IT? If you think you are getting a break by being forced to have health care you are not. It is my tax dollars that are paying for someone else to be on welfare and get tax breaks while I pick up the tab for what they don't pay. This is exactly what is going to go on with this stupid bill MORE MONEY COMING OUT OF MY POCKET!
60% of Americans want this health care bill. This is why we voted for the President. This is what he ran on, this is why he was elected. so stop trying to spread FOX NEWS BASED LIES.
My tax dollars are paying for folks in Washington to have health care when I don't have it myself. Why the hell would I pay for them before myself. Now you say I can't have it. You want your taxes back? Tell your buddies Boner, Inhoff and DeMint to buy private health care and NOT USE Federal Employee Health Benefits
Ah...at the time the bill was passed MORE THAN 60% of Americans opposed the bill. That's number one. Number two, members of Congress are specifically EXEMPT from the mandate, which means we get to pay for their "Cadillac" insurance while waiting line at the local health care center waiting to see a doc.
@Ovedya2006 I know UR designated teapartier on this thread but nobody asked me. I've seen 2 mid class working women die w/o ins & leave kids. Sister has coverage = medicine cabinet full of pills, removed her thyroid, her spleen and implanted a defibrillator. Dad has insurance, operated on his arm now worse than it was. We all wanted a single payer public option. Obama2 but Plutocracy too ingrained, like a bad root. This is the most those dam libs could wrestle away from the Iluminati reptiles
Well you held out for two days. Much better than most of the other conspiracy theory whack jobs I've talked politics with. Usually they go right into the Bilderberg, Illuminati, 9/11 Conspiracy crap right away.
AS for me. I'm no teapartier. I just do this for kicks.
@Ovedya2006 Better than dying by waiting in an over loaded emergency room clogged up with people using it as their primary doctor and dentist.
You do realize you are arguing these people, in fact no one should be asked to pay anything for ambulance and emergency services?...SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE?
Like pot holes sir, somebody has to pay for this. To think not is like Bush conveniently not adding the cost of the war to our Federal Budget.
@rusethorcain Another lie by the clueless one. Take a trip to pollingreport [dot] com [slash] health [dot] htm (if you can figure that out) and see the vast majority of polls show majority opposition to this anti-American, unconstitutional legislation.
@rusethorcain The powers delegated by the Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people.
freesk8 FDA allows psuedo food & no nutrition guidelines. You are not supposed to get healthy. HEALTHY PEOPLE break profitable food chain of blood suckers living off disease! So we get sick. Pfizer gets money for research to "find a cure". Doctors get money for fees, drug companies get money for drugs, insurance companies gets money for nothing. Lawyers get money for "bad drugs" rushed to market. Health Care bill breaks this chain. Naturally links in the middle are outraged.
You seriously thing that a mandate for all food chains with 20 store or more posting the caloric content of their products on all materials is going to "break the chain" of bad health? If so you're a "special" kind of tool. People eat fatty foods because they like it; it tastes good, and most of us can afford it. If someone is determined to buy a "gut bomb" at their local McDonald's they're going to do it despite the caloric content.
@Ovedya2006 Funny I don't hear anyone complaining about that cigarette ban in restaurants. The result is that 40% of people who used to smoke quit. Now I am all for individual liberty but draw the line when it is PROMOTING ways that people can quickly kill themselves just so some company can make the money they had got used to making. In 10 years we will all be a lot better off because of this bill. Whether you believe it now or not, whether you acknowledge it then or not.
You're SERIOUSLY comparing this mandate with cigarette bans? Now I KNOW you're smoking something. Where did you ever get the idea that cigarette bans are DIRECTLY linked to a 40% reduction in smoking. I think you're just pulling that out of your bum.
@Ovedya2006 I saw it on one of those liberal news stations because try as I might - watching Glenn Beck or Hannity or Coulter who actually said "I've given up murdering Hobos" for New Years.....makes my stomach lurch & skin crawl. Every fiber of being says Beck is a Circus freak! I remember the warning beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. I remember good people DON'T SCREAM Call it instinct- served me well. Compassion? JUST picked up an 80yr old hitchin' and bought him a used bike & Im broke
@rusethorcain He lost his license cuz he's 80. Got his name, going to write a letter to MV, cc gov officials, & cc lib news agencies, (you NEED honest news in a democracy so people CANT be hoodwinked) We are going to see if we can get his license back.
You Mr Compassion I'll call you - fighting to steal coverage from children with preexisting conditions, elderly between the ages of 50 and 65, affordable basic preventative care for 130 million Americans. For the insurance companies! You proud?
LOL> The HCR bill has a per-existing condition clause. Bet you didn't know that. So you're going to try and get this guys license back when probably the DMV revoked it because he couldn't see or something - something that makes him a potential danger on the road to himself and others. And you call THAT compassion?
@Ovedya2006 Never had an accident. And I know people in their 90's who are competent drivers. You cannot profile or target individuals who are guilty of no crime. This is a communist concept and why we have personal liberty in this country. You clearly know nothing about...innocent until proven guilty.
What are you going to do when the old guy falls off the bike and breaks a hip?
Did you do a factcheck on that 40% or did you just take it for granted that liberal news station was reporting factually? Probably the latter, since I just did it and there is no study or research which reported a 40% decrease in smokers because of smoking bans. The reports which I found actually stated that there was only a marginal percentage of quitters, and actually the bans are more negative.
...and what's more is the fact that bills like this - that try to regulate behavior - only turn out costing more in terms of money and jobs (those pesky things that drive our economy) than doing any substantial good. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence showing that, when you try to FORCE someone to do something that they do not want to do, they often do the exact opposite. People are better off when they're MOTIVATED to do good, not when they're forced to.
@Ovedya2006 I guess I'll quit paying my income tax, my property tax, my car insurance.
I'd rather pay to make sure the people around me out in public, the servers, mail carriers and cashiers are not so deprived of heath care they come to work sick and make me sick.
I am compassionate but not 100%.
It is interesting to me (called synergy) how when you do the right thing...it ends up having a domino effect toward many positives, they inspire other positives and before long you are far better off.
@Ovedya2006 This is the only thing I did consider seriously.
But he looks in decent health and bikes improve health. He just goes to get coffee in the morning and it is about 3 miles. Too far to walk and people don't pick up hitch hikers these days! I am only worried about a narrow part of the road where there isn't a sidewalk and he goes over the bridge...??? Oh well.
Wouldn't you rather die free and independent??!! I know I would.
Yes, I would, which is why your support of the HCR bill confuses me. You're sending conflicting signals. Free health care isn't a right in this country, and neither should it be. My freedom should include the right to purchase or not purchase health insurance, and any reforms from the government should empower me as a consumer, to drive the economy. This bill does not do that. It does not empower people, it enslaves them.
Oh, you mean that the bill also applies to members of Congress and their staff? Uh...no, it doesn't. It only applies to staff members, and the Senators are specifically excluded from the mandate. Pretty cool, eh? Those guys who foisted HCR on the rest of Americans opted themselves OUT!
...What's more, all this mandate does is punish the small business owner who's just trying to survive by driving up his overhead. The result: Close doors and lay off employees and stifle growth or discourage growth. HCR was supposed to stimulate growth according to the Democrats. Instead it's designed to KILL economic growth and punish small businesses.
@Ovedya2006 I hear a lot of predictions. I have yet to see any indication at all where it will do all this. This bill SAVES MONEY and stimulates not only the economy but small business who will be grateful they have it. When it proves a great idea in the long run, say by next year at this time...will you take it back and apologize? If the world ends and businesses fail - I promise to apologize to you.
U have a better idea. Why don't you slide on over to this video: /watch?v=3W8D7pflcwM&feature=player_embedded and then tell me how the mandate's gonna "stimulate" the economy and help to save jobs.
@Ovedya2006 Look. I don't need to. Any kinder gardener can tell you how a person well and working is going to stimulate the economy more than those home sick in bed.
No, it's not that you don't "need to," it's that you don't want to have your little world crushed by reality. Reality tends to hit guys like you like a ton of bricks, whereas the rest of us, who stay in reality, just tolerate your form of ignorance.
You can't be a true Constitutional Libertarian and live in such an illusion.
@Ovedya2006 You tolerate it? No. We tolerated 8 yrs of Bush. He started a phony war. We've lost many civil rights (Pat. Act) plus another 4000 Americans in their prime on top of 2000 in those 3 towers.
So, do you feel safer now? How do you like flying? Or are you hated, at best horribly misunderstood... the world over, with extremist groups multiplied many times against us?
Only Bush Oil companies, Cheney's Haliburton and independent defense contractors like Blackwater made out in this war.
Gotta admit it: You sure have the canned responses down pat. Oh those horrible Republicans with their war mongering and big greedy oil corporations; their secret handshakes and backroom deals to control the world. Keep living in the illusion, friend. Makes me no difference whatsoever.
Oh by the way, the Patriot Act? One of the single most bipartisan bills ever introduced and passed by both the House and Senate.
Democrats ARE guilty of trying to sneak in help for Seniors in FL. And the Cornhuskers back room deal was removed from the final bill.
Good work!
Wicked Dems promised health care to sway votes.
GOSH...
What are Republicans using to sway voters?
What would devil worshipers (Franklin Scandal) use to sway a constituency already proud to HAVE EVERYTHING and fighting to keep status quo at all costs?
A restaurant note reads, "If you are a nigga, seek food somewhere else."
And we aught to believe the owner of the restaurant is not going to deny food to blacks? Get the fuck out here...
The level of contempt by these radical Reich is beyond anything that this country has ever experienced.
The funny thing is, this cretin didn't even know who had written the pamphlet--A republican Committe on Ways and Means. A bullet point nonsense with no verifiable source. And he's basing his shit on it!!!
***"If you are a nigga, seek food somewhere else."***
That didn't happen, race baiter. The doctor in question has the right to refuse service as he wishes. But like all D-baggers, you don't respct rights.
***This person you call race baiter is an American and that is the trouble with your side. You attack Americans***
Horse hockey, Ruthie. I'm a huge fan of America and visit friends there whenever funds permit. But what I don't like is D-baggers using race to attain victimhood status, or advance themselves politically. That's un American.
@downshop That was an analogy you dimwitted cunt. If low cognitive functionality is what you suffer from, then stop barging in every conversation and try to ski on everyone's piss. & for you even run behind the broad shield of the First Amendment goes to show what a cerebral handicap you are. The criticism is for refusal of treatment to patients with opposing political view base on the "note" he plastered on his place of "practice." Guess lame brain red herring's the only way you seek attention.
***The criticism is for refusal of treatment to patients with opposing political view***
Liberals' support for Obama is what's screwing up healthcare, Phony. The doctor has every right to deny service to idiots doing that, in exactly the same way he should deny service to a lung cancer patient who keeps smoking.
@downriggershop Wait a minute. Are you suggesting we should deny care for someone who smokes and develops a lung cancer? HAHAHA!
Then why stop there yahoo? Why not eliminate care for anyone who spends more than 12 fast food meals a year? Why not eliminate care to people with 30% calorie daily intake comes from "processed" food?
So now you are an arbitrator of right all of sudden? You decide who gets care or not? Cocksuck, weren't you the one who said govt. should not dictate ANY rule on care?
Second, to your admission, the doctor should deny care to someone who's dying of prostate cancer and has the opposing political view. That's actually illegal. He can't do that. Make sure you understand the law first before regurgitating your pronounced low buffoonery.
@daisy744 How do you know what it is when you have been fed a steady diet of lies by FIXED NEWS? Think about this: If you were a conglomerate of the worlds richest corporations, you think you could not afford your own news station?
Why is it even though facts don't change and four or five media outlets report on a story only FAUX NEWS gets it right? What are odds all of them (& C-Span!) got it wrong and this ONE station got it right?
Odds are the one "different" station has a different AGENDA.
@HokiesAndDawgs Yeah, they're all lying and FOX is giving it to you straight. You know what tort reform is buddy? You will know soon enough if Republicans get control. Big corporations, less regulated, take more chances and kill or injure more people. Tort reform is so people (voters) cannot sue beyond $250G.
To a big corp this is chicken feed and no incentive NOT to hurt you again. You are walking right into the trap. You think Liberals news is the one pro-big corporations? Now that's funny.
@downriggershop Yeah, they're all lying and FOX is giving it to you straight. You know what tort reform is buddy? You will know soon enough if Republicans get control. Big corporations, less regulated, take more chances and kill or injure more people. Tort reform is so people (voters) cannot sue beyond $250G.
To a big corp this is chicken feed and no incentive NOT to hurt you again. You are walking right into the trap. You think Liberals news is the one pro-big corporations? Now that's funny.
Actually odds are the rest of the media conglomerates (Which, ironically members of those "big bad greedy corporations" that you libs are always railing against) are in the pocket of the current administration. There's about a 10-year pattern of decided liberal bias on behalf of the major media outlets, which is well established. Along comes Fox and, within a matter of about 3 years, gains the highest viewership of all of them, and YOU THINK that's it's because of an agenda?
moriya2k2 Jesus has nothing to do with this doctor or what he does. Jesus is so far from the folks in the Republican party they don't even pretend to believe in the teachings of Jesus anymore. "They" (for whom no amount of money will ever be enough) killed Him in the first place and check your conscious...you are helping to kill Him and all that He stands for all over again.
downriggershop: Democrats tried to use tactics like the Cornhusker clause and Medicare Advantage to get votes. Republicans HAVE HEALTH CARE so what do they offer to get votes? How DO you persuade a filthy rich constituency that HAS everything including private jets and limos? You got it... BONDAGE SEX PARTIES.
That's right people. Keep making a case for the DEVIL. I would rather die with honor and integrity, than support the GOP party of perversion, hedonism, war and rape of the planet.
downriggershop: Democrats tried to use tactics like the Cornhusker clause and Medicare Advantage to get votes. Republicans HAVE HEALTH CARE so what do they offer to get votes? How DO you persuade a filthy rich constituency that HAS everything including private jets and limos? You got it... BONDAGE SEX PARTIES.
That's right people. Keep making a case for the DEVIL. I would rather die with honor and integrity, than support the GOP party of perversion, hedonism, war and rape of the planet.
one party bribes using health care and the other party bribes using bondage themed sex parties.
If you were asking me to make a judgment call on the integrity of these two very different groups with their two very different strategies - I'd say the shady operators are the bondage sex party crowd rather than those trying to sneak in health care for seniors! lol
You I am sure will disagree, but that's you. Not me.
@DrewsterDawg77 Republicans support Haliburton, Wackenhut, Wellpoint and Exxon. The genocide against unborn babies is so the spawn of rapist doesn't get reproduced. You should be glad. Republicans are against abortion because almost all unwanted children go on to become their sweatshop manual labor, subservient slaves and front line foot soldiers. Think you are kidding someone.
@naliuj Maybe you should read, period. What happened during the holocaust is the US didn't intervene in time to save many walking talking humans from dying horrid senseless deaths because it wasn't our problem and we looked the other way. It certainly wasn't too little.... but for many, it was too late.
@rusethorcain fair enough i can see your way of thinking about the subject, i dont agree with you at all, and we can go off on a world war 2 american uninvolvement disscussion but lets leave it at a diff. of opinion.
Question; If abortion was illegal what should happen to women who get abortions? jailtime, fines?
@DrewsterDawg77 Not supporting the health care bill is genocide against walking talking humans cuz they don't work for the right company making widgets. You're leaving children without mothers who could have been saved by preventative tests. Abortion? You against the war? Collateral damage kills innocent families for freedom all the time. Where is your outrage?
Democrats want insurance companies out of the way so we can see a doctor without having to get permission from someone to do it.
He probably had too attend a foriegn medical school because spaces were reseved for blacks with poor grades in American Medical schools just like the president got his law degree. But the president surrendered his law licence as di michelle with her law license.
Go doctor Go!...Totally agree with him, he has every right just like any others. Obama healthcare will destroy many alive with poor quality healthcare services. It will get worst, as day pass. Eventually the real meaning of that bill, will unfold as day passes. Then it will be too late. So, enjoy Obama care now, then every one will be screaming. Lies will be expose!...He's lies will be expose! NO CHANGE!
@sungmee45 Everybody isn't insured all the time. Medical expenses have gotten out of hand. If you don't have health care you can't afford to see a doctor. Mothers are dying and leaving their children behind. Do you recall any Medicare, Medicade patient complaining? Or any Fed Employees? Or Veterans? These are all government run programs.
If giant corporations wanted to screw the public, HOW without getting outed by those nosy NEWS reporters?
".... long time Mt Dora resident, ACORN organizer and SIEU member Estella Chapman got wind of the sign and stopped by with an MSNBC news crew to see for herself........... demented Dem Obamabot Alan Grayson took a break from his 'if you get sick, die quickly' alarmist wingnut craziness to pose with his 'seriously concerned' look, for Eyewitness News................"
When you have no substantive argument only a few tired talking points drilled into your head like a mantra, you have no defense of your position and what else can you say but "lies!" You poor thing. Education is the next thing we fix.
Good point! According to a recent study as many as 40k people die per year from not having "access" to health services. Yet it's those services that are collectively responsible for the third leading cause or preventable death in this country! It's called "Iatrogenisis" Look it up if you don't believe me.
So let's tax the crap out of the rest of Americans so we can throw that 42k into a horribly broken system. It's all about COMPASSION, folks!
In fact I do. Compassion isn't just giving a free handout to people. Sometimes it means making the tough decision to let people learn how to fend for themselves. I wasn't FOR the bailout of the banks. I wasn't FOR the GM bailout. I'm not FOR increasing taxes (first on the rich and big corporations who will respond by leaving the country and sacking their money away, then on to the rest of us) so that a minor percentage of us can receive free health care.
This guy is nothing but disgusting scum and has no right to be a doctor. He takes a Hippocratic oath to treat people and then lets his political views stop him from doing that. This is not a doctor. This is a charlatan. His license to practice medicine should be yanked. Let him go back to school to be a politician if that is what he really wants to be.
@rusethorcain The main part of the Hippocratic oath is "first, do no harm." It is not that he is required to treat anyone even if he disagrees with them or has become an enemy. Look it up in Wiki. There is no obligation to treat all comers.
This guy is nothing but disgusting scum and has no right to be a doctor. He takes a Hippocratic oath to treat people and then lets his political views stop him from doing that. This is not a doctor. This is a charlatan. His license to practice medicine should be yanked. Let him go back to school to be a politician if that is what he really wants to be.
@freesk8 Apparently you have never gotten a business license. Why do you think this FL cracker quacker said he WOULD actually treat the patients?
You might be surprised to learn as an American I have the right to patronize anywhere open to the public without discrimination.
US Govt Dept set up to regulate business are there to make sure you don't get maimed poisoned or killed or refused service for any frivolous reason. For that you need a license that specifies Private Club.
@rusethorcain By the way, I HAVE gotten three business licenses in my life. And I'm not talking about what is legal, I'm talking about what is MORAL and what is consistent with our natural rights to life, liberty and property. You have NO right to go in to any private property without the permission of the owner, regardless of "public accommodation" laws. Or would you argue that all laws, including marijuana and gay marriage prohibition, are moral laws?
@freesk8 Is it moral to watch a young woman die and leave behind 3 teenagers because she couldn't afford a mammogram. You will burn in hell no matter how many fetus you saved. Denying basic care to children and coverage extended to 31 million more Americans is not a moral plus to you? And you RIGHTYs think WAR is MORAL? Collateral damage wipes out whole families of innocent people. You got no problem with that though. You could give a shit about any life besides your own. Moral my ass. Liar.
More stupid talking points from you. That 31 million number is an ESTIMATE and doesn't kick in until 2019.....10 fucking years. With population growth that number might only be about 10 million or so in terms of real people getting healthcare.
BTW Idiot - The government taxes go up in this bill and the government now has a right to view your medical history whenever they want.
@HokiesAndDawgs You can lead a hose to water but nobody can make them drink. Stand there and die of thirst and stupidity if you want to. You are nothing more than a pawn for mega corporations and a guinea pig for big pharma. That's OK When they harm you can sue right? Wrong! GOP is fighting so they can take more greater risks with Americans and cap injury payments at $250G. (Tort reform) Does that sound people friendly to you? Too bad ignorance isn't painful. You'd be in a world of hurting.
@rusethorcain I've opposed the Mideast wars since 2002. Many Democrats voted for them, and many D's still support our presence there. I'm pro-choice, and have been all my adult life. I didn't vote for Bush or McCain; I'm a Libertarian and I voted for Bob Barr, so you've got me wrong there.
And I also believe that the recent health care reform bill will make things WORSE for poor people by:
@freesk8 I respect your position and views but I disagree on the great potential and benefit of this health care bill. This is why many of us voted for him. This is what he was supposed to do. Do you know on behalf of patients, hospitals are billing insurance companies $25 for a bandaid and $30 for an aspirin?
@rusethorcain And then there is your claim that govt regulation actually makes us safer. This is rubbish. The FDA, for example, causes more people to die by delaying good drugs, than it saves by preventing people from taking bad drugs. It actually kills more people than it saves. And then there is business licensure. The states licensing boards are run by people who are in the industry they regulate! The real purpose is to stifle competition, not increase safety.
@szman167 Alan Grayson is one of the few politicians with backbone and integrity. The corrupt politicians in Washington hate him because he is looking out for the health of the American people and not the bottom line on his hedge fund or corporate stock options.
@szman167 Alan Grayson is one of the few politicians with backbone and integrity. The corrupt politicians in Washington hate him because he is looking out for the health of the American people and not the bottom line on his hedge fund or corporate stock options.
As the husband of a doctor, I will tell you, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHIN YET!! Doctors by the THOUSANDS will retire and you WILL see the results. This doc s a HERO to 90% of doctors with sense. The producers of this country WILL SHUT DOWN and you will see Atlas Shrugged become reality. And what will you blood sucking MaObama "gimme" class do when no one is left to support your pathetic asses?
Spend the money we saved on preventative care instead of giving it to blood sucking, surgery happy, pill pushers in medicine for the money - like your husband.
He has the right to do that if he wants to. Grayson can take his sanctimony and "GTFO." People don;t get into health care - they don;t go through years of med school to give handouts to a bunch of deadbeat Welfare recipients. Some may grant charity, but that's up to them. It's their business after all, and they get to decide who they want to treat. As long as they are not discriminating on the basis of race, religion, etc.
This isn't about deadbeat welfare recipients. They already get health care, just like prisoners and POW's all already get health care.
Obama wants Doctors to get their money and not insurance companies.
If big insurance WAS trying to stop this bill how would they do it? Buy the favors of a news station already hawking corporate interests? How can ALL News Stations report wrong (they get together? they are rivals! )and only Faux News report it right? The facts are the facts. Wake up
ROFL. You actually BELIEVE that Obama wants doctors to get their money. Whatever you're smoking must be pretty good. How about this little "factoid" for you: More than half of all doctors in the United States have opted out of Medicare because of the fact that the government keeps cutting doctor reimbursements. The so-called "doctor fix" only increases doctor reimbursements by 1.1%. I guess Congress was hoping that more docs would take new Medicare patients. WRONG!!!!
And as far as your point about the news conglomerates are concerned, I watched a MSNBC "round table" which included a prominent black female Senator. They were discussing the Tea Party protest at the steps of Congress the day they passed HCR. Supposedly there were 15 racial slurs hurled at the members of the Black Congressional Caucus, and supposedly one member was spit upon. Despite the fact that TO DATE this has not been verified, they discussed the issue as if it were fact.
@Ovedya2006 Maybe you are unaware of it but one of the founding principals of Democracy requires A FREE AND FAIR PRESS.
FAUX NEWS is the first step to the demise of this Nation. Then they rig the Supreme Court. Now corporations can vote. They are trying to gain control of the Governors. Soon you will be eating sludge and living next to a SUPERFUND site.
What we had was a corrupt disease management system. A lucrative scam running for a long time.
Drug companies scientist researchers "look for a cure" get employment and funds. FDA approves crap made by giant psuedo FOOD corps. We get sick and need the insurance companies, doctors and DRUGS they also regulate. Lawsuits filed over "bad drugs" keep lawyers busy.
GOOD HEALTH will interrupt this very profitable food chain of bloodsuckers living off our sickness and disease.
Boycott all treasonous commie progressives in all areas of business and services ....they want commie healthcare send their asses to Cuba....need that roof fixed ...buy a hammer....need your car repaired buy a manual...need a lawyer use a public defender...
70% of the republic is center right...time to let these treasonous commie progressives feel it
@pvbaelen Yet not a whisper of complaint from you when George Bush gave the biggest tax loophole in the history country to rich depriving the United States out of 3 trillion a year in vital tax dollars we WERE getting to fix things.
Dollars the citizens already paid taxes on, the first time it exchanged hands and WE SPENT IT. That means we were royally screwed
and then he bought a war.
Now the country is broke. Blaming Obama is like blaming the Police for investigating the scene of the crime.
@rusethorcain - Actually you're quite incorrect on that. I bashed Bush for the out of control spending, not getting a Congressional Declaration of War for Iraq or Afghanistan, complete negligence on the border and selling out American workers with the bogus "Free Trade" treaties.
Bush confirmed what I already knew, both parties are corrupt and and heading toward bigger more intrusive government regardless of the lip service they pay to the Constitution. I voted for Chuck Baldwin.
@pvbaelen Well bully for you. If they are all corrupt what makes you so damn sure the new people you put in office wont be or grow to be as corrupt or worse. This is our system. If you don't like it there are other countries with methods of governing you might prefer. Go there.
I sure do support him; as a matter of fact I think if I need such services i will drive out of my way to see him. After all if they dont like it they can get on a boat and go to Cuba for Obama Care up and running
So, you are a fucking redneck white man, right? You motherfucker.
Now, we are taking our country back, and it's good to see that Obamacare as the law of the land, just ended the nonsense corporate Reagan Era. Get used to it.
You stupid republican arseholes ruined and almost collapsed our economy during the last eight years by giving tax break to the rich, while we are going through two wars. Americans will ever forget what W did.
Propaganda
yakyakyak69 1 month ago
Wow I have totally missed out on this whole discussion board for a few months...@rusethorcain you sir are a complete f*** Tard.
hannahs1313 1 year ago
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rusethorcain 1 year ago
Are you on drugs rusethorcain? Did you pass the second grade?
PourGirlNorCal 1 year ago
@PourGirlNorCal Nice comeback Einstein. You have no legitimate argument. Ever wonder why the educated people are for Obama and the backwoods, dropped out of fifth grade cause they got knocked were for McCain? Check your facts there little mama before you come spewing your insults this way. Try to stick to the facts and not make this personal or you ain't seen personal yet.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@spgfld1903 Hey stinky...you got him but who's got you?
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@spgfld1903 Apparently you are listening to Glenn Beck. This is what he tells you. Not true.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
Awesome! Some one with some balls. Hello...FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! What about his rights? Commi BO must be IMPEACHED before he takes all of our freedoms away. This man is being threatened for saying something he has every right to say. It's his business. You friken whiny ass liberal freaks need to get your heads examined.
PourGirlNorCal 1 year ago 2
@PourGirlNorCal
"whiny ass liberal freaks need to get your heads examined"
then they would have to see a proctologist
IDYLBERRY 1 year ago 2
@IDYLBERRY psycho killer republicans are out to sacrifice humans to benefit multimillion dollar corporate interests...after all, we the people don't pay them shit. Who can blame them for going where the money is? And this IS where you will always find the Republicans. Sniffing around the cash. Hoarding the gold. They'd eat their kids and stab their mothers if there was an inheritance to be gained. Cold blooded anti-human, anti -charity, faith and hope subhuman cretins.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@PourGirlNorCal You all kind of take a liberal stance when it comes to porn, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, poison food additives, the lottery, and plastic...Conserva-what? Give the people whatever we can sell em.... Tax booze, porn, deadly drugs and cigarettes...but when it comes to health care you draw the line.
Keep this just out of reach, unaffordable and only for the wealthy.
This is one insidious corporate stroking, human screwing agenda the GOP is pushing. Connect the dots will ya?
rusethorcain 1 year ago
Canned responses. lol
Bondage themed sex parties in nightclubs???!!!
You can't make this stuff up!
Sorry, I forgot who I'm talking to. You can and do.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Any worse than what the Dems do nightly? Come on! Progressives are supposed to be the all-tolerant promoters of "if it feels right it is right."
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 Pretty progressive when it came to legalizing gambling and porn, selling drugs and alcohol...suddenly it comes to health care and you are a purist?
rusethorcain 1 year ago
Doesn't it tell you something when doctors disagree with the health care bill along with over 60% of America? WHY WOULD OUR PRESIDENT DO THIS IF WE DON'T WANT IT? If you think you are getting a break by being forced to have health care you are not. It is my tax dollars that are paying for someone else to be on welfare and get tax breaks while I pick up the tab for what they don't pay. This is exactly what is going to go on with this stupid bill MORE MONEY COMING OUT OF MY POCKET!
hannahs1313 1 year ago
60% of Americans want this health care bill. This is why we voted for the President. This is what he ran on, this is why he was elected. so stop trying to spread FOX NEWS BASED LIES.
My tax dollars are paying for folks in Washington to have health care when I don't have it myself. Why the hell would I pay for them before myself. Now you say I can't have it. You want your taxes back? Tell your buddies Boner, Inhoff and DeMint to buy private health care and NOT USE Federal Employee Health Benefits
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Ah...at the time the bill was passed MORE THAN 60% of Americans opposed the bill. That's number one. Number two, members of Congress are specifically EXEMPT from the mandate, which means we get to pay for their "Cadillac" insurance while waiting line at the local health care center waiting to see a doc.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 I know UR designated teapartier on this thread but nobody asked me. I've seen 2 mid class working women die w/o ins & leave kids. Sister has coverage = medicine cabinet full of pills, removed her thyroid, her spleen and implanted a defibrillator. Dad has insurance, operated on his arm now worse than it was. We all wanted a single payer public option. Obama2 but Plutocracy too ingrained, like a bad root. This is the most those dam libs could wrestle away from the Iluminati reptiles
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Well you held out for two days. Much better than most of the other conspiracy theory whack jobs I've talked politics with. Usually they go right into the Bilderberg, Illuminati, 9/11 Conspiracy crap right away.
AS for me. I'm no teapartier. I just do this for kicks.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 Better than dying by waiting in an over loaded emergency room clogged up with people using it as their primary doctor and dentist.
You do realize you are arguing these people, in fact no one should be asked to pay anything for ambulance and emergency services?...SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE?
Like pot holes sir, somebody has to pay for this. To think not is like Bush conveniently not adding the cost of the war to our Federal Budget.
But then you fell for that too.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
LOL. Now you're comparing a multi-trillion dollar bill to filling potholes (?)
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@rusethorcain Another lie by the clueless one. Take a trip to pollingreport [dot] com [slash] health [dot] htm (if you can figure that out) and see the vast majority of polls show majority opposition to this anti-American, unconstitutional legislation.
pvbaelen 1 year ago
@pvbaelen Smart people like this bill.
Protection from social diseases need socially cooperative solutions.
Why funnel billions to "social programs" like NASA, or defense contractors selling screws for $50, and black budget projects?
Why not reign in a fraction of the funds wasted, and stolen HERE and use it to keep Americans healthy and well?
WHY NOT? Defense contractors have a powerful lobby. It's called the GOP.
And THIS IS the REAL re-distribution of wealth they are fighting to stop.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain The powers delegated by the Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people.
James Madison - Federalist 45
pvbaelen 1 year ago
this assholes number can be googled.
dionusos2 1 year ago
How to ruin a perfectly good career.....he probably wasn't that good at it anyway.
Bet he wishes he had kept his big mouth shut and his opinions to himself.
172677 1 year ago
freesk8 FDA allows psuedo food & no nutrition guidelines. You are not supposed to get healthy. HEALTHY PEOPLE break profitable food chain of blood suckers living off disease! So we get sick. Pfizer gets money for research to "find a cure". Doctors get money for fees, drug companies get money for drugs, insurance companies gets money for nothing. Lawyers get money for "bad drugs" rushed to market. Health Care bill breaks this chain. Naturally links in the middle are outraged.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Something smells like.....BULLLSHHH***TTT!
You seriously thing that a mandate for all food chains with 20 store or more posting the caloric content of their products on all materials is going to "break the chain" of bad health? If so you're a "special" kind of tool. People eat fatty foods because they like it; it tastes good, and most of us can afford it. If someone is determined to buy a "gut bomb" at their local McDonald's they're going to do it despite the caloric content.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 Funny I don't hear anyone complaining about that cigarette ban in restaurants. The result is that 40% of people who used to smoke quit. Now I am all for individual liberty but draw the line when it is PROMOTING ways that people can quickly kill themselves just so some company can make the money they had got used to making. In 10 years we will all be a lot better off because of this bill. Whether you believe it now or not, whether you acknowledge it then or not.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
You're SERIOUSLY comparing this mandate with cigarette bans? Now I KNOW you're smoking something. Where did you ever get the idea that cigarette bans are DIRECTLY linked to a 40% reduction in smoking. I think you're just pulling that out of your bum.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 I saw it on one of those liberal news stations because try as I might - watching Glenn Beck or Hannity or Coulter who actually said "I've given up murdering Hobos" for New Years.....makes my stomach lurch & skin crawl. Every fiber of being says Beck is a Circus freak! I remember the warning beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. I remember good people DON'T SCREAM Call it instinct- served me well. Compassion? JUST picked up an 80yr old hitchin' and bought him a used bike & Im broke
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain He lost his license cuz he's 80. Got his name, going to write a letter to MV, cc gov officials, & cc lib news agencies, (you NEED honest news in a democracy so people CANT be hoodwinked) We are going to see if we can get his license back.
You Mr Compassion I'll call you - fighting to steal coverage from children with preexisting conditions, elderly between the ages of 50 and 65, affordable basic preventative care for 130 million Americans. For the insurance companies! You proud?
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
LOL> The HCR bill has a per-existing condition clause. Bet you didn't know that. So you're going to try and get this guys license back when probably the DMV revoked it because he couldn't see or something - something that makes him a potential danger on the road to himself and others. And you call THAT compassion?
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 Never had an accident. And I know people in their 90's who are competent drivers. You cannot profile or target individuals who are guilty of no crime. This is a communist concept and why we have personal liberty in this country. You clearly know nothing about...innocent until proven guilty.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
What are you going to do when the old guy falls off the bike and breaks a hip?
Did you do a factcheck on that 40% or did you just take it for granted that liberal news station was reporting factually? Probably the latter, since I just did it and there is no study or research which reported a 40% decrease in smokers because of smoking bans. The reports which I found actually stated that there was only a marginal percentage of quitters, and actually the bans are more negative.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006
...and what's more is the fact that bills like this - that try to regulate behavior - only turn out costing more in terms of money and jobs (those pesky things that drive our economy) than doing any substantial good. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence showing that, when you try to FORCE someone to do something that they do not want to do, they often do the exact opposite. People are better off when they're MOTIVATED to do good, not when they're forced to.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 I guess I'll quit paying my income tax, my property tax, my car insurance.
I'd rather pay to make sure the people around me out in public, the servers, mail carriers and cashiers are not so deprived of heath care they come to work sick and make me sick.
I am compassionate but not 100%.
It is interesting to me (called synergy) how when you do the right thing...it ends up having a domino effect toward many positives, they inspire other positives and before long you are far better off.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 This is the only thing I did consider seriously.
But he looks in decent health and bikes improve health. He just goes to get coffee in the morning and it is about 3 miles. Too far to walk and people don't pick up hitch hikers these days! I am only worried about a narrow part of the road where there isn't a sidewalk and he goes over the bridge...??? Oh well.
Wouldn't you rather die free and independent??!! I know I would.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Yes, I would, which is why your support of the HCR bill confuses me. You're sending conflicting signals. Free health care isn't a right in this country, and neither should it be. My freedom should include the right to purchase or not purchase health insurance, and any reforms from the government should empower me as a consumer, to drive the economy. This bill does not do that. It does not empower people, it enslaves them.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006
Smells like BS? It's your upper lip! lol
Sounds like you need an ear nose and throat guy there fella. Hope you have good insurance like my tax dollars buy for my politicians in Washington.
I pay for them to have a "Federal Health Benefits Program" and yet I can't afford to buy any health insurance for myself.
Now.... WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
If you can't see it - I can't help you.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Oh, you mean that the bill also applies to members of Congress and their staff? Uh...no, it doesn't. It only applies to staff members, and the Senators are specifically excluded from the mandate. Pretty cool, eh? Those guys who foisted HCR on the rest of Americans opted themselves OUT!
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
...What's more, all this mandate does is punish the small business owner who's just trying to survive by driving up his overhead. The result: Close doors and lay off employees and stifle growth or discourage growth. HCR was supposed to stimulate growth according to the Democrats. Instead it's designed to KILL economic growth and punish small businesses.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 I hear a lot of predictions. I have yet to see any indication at all where it will do all this. This bill SAVES MONEY and stimulates not only the economy but small business who will be grateful they have it. When it proves a great idea in the long run, say by next year at this time...will you take it back and apologize? If the world ends and businesses fail - I promise to apologize to you.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
U have a better idea. Why don't you slide on over to this video: /watch?v=3W8D7pflcwM&feature=player_embedded and then tell me how the mandate's gonna "stimulate" the economy and help to save jobs.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 Look. I don't need to. Any kinder gardener can tell you how a person well and working is going to stimulate the economy more than those home sick in bed.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
No, it's not that you don't "need to," it's that you don't want to have your little world crushed by reality. Reality tends to hit guys like you like a ton of bricks, whereas the rest of us, who stay in reality, just tolerate your form of ignorance.
You can't be a true Constitutional Libertarian and live in such an illusion.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 You tolerate it? No. We tolerated 8 yrs of Bush. He started a phony war. We've lost many civil rights (Pat. Act) plus another 4000 Americans in their prime on top of 2000 in those 3 towers.
So, do you feel safer now? How do you like flying? Or are you hated, at best horribly misunderstood... the world over, with extremist groups multiplied many times against us?
Only Bush Oil companies, Cheney's Haliburton and independent defense contractors like Blackwater made out in this war.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Gotta admit it: You sure have the canned responses down pat. Oh those horrible Republicans with their war mongering and big greedy oil corporations; their secret handshakes and backroom deals to control the world. Keep living in the illusion, friend. Makes me no difference whatsoever.
Oh by the way, the Patriot Act? One of the single most bipartisan bills ever introduced and passed by both the House and Senate.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006
Backroom deals to sway voters...hmm?
Democrats ARE guilty of trying to sneak in help for Seniors in FL. And the Cornhuskers back room deal was removed from the final bill.
Good work!
Wicked Dems promised health care to sway votes.
GOSH...
What are Republicans using to sway voters?
What would devil worshipers (Franklin Scandal) use to sway a constituency already proud to HAVE EVERYTHING and fighting to keep status quo at all costs?
You got it! An S&M themed SEX CLUB.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
Obammy supporters are likely to be infected with numerous venereal diseases and what not, so he's merely practicing good medicine, so to speak.
libsarecommies 1 year ago
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i would never seek health care from a doctor who puts up a political statement like this at his front door.
gazai1 1 year ago
i would never seek health care from a doctor who puts up a political statement like this at his front door.
gazai1 1 year ago
A restaurant note reads, "If you are a nigga, seek food somewhere else."
And we aught to believe the owner of the restaurant is not going to deny food to blacks? Get the fuck out here...
The level of contempt by these radical Reich is beyond anything that this country has ever experienced.
The funny thing is, this cretin didn't even know who had written the pamphlet--A republican Committe on Ways and Means. A bullet point nonsense with no verifiable source. And he's basing his shit on it!!!
leephon 1 year ago
***"If you are a nigga, seek food somewhere else."***
That didn't happen, race baiter. The doctor in question has the right to refuse service as he wishes. But like all D-baggers, you don't respct rights.
downriggershop 1 year ago
@downriggershop This person you call race baiter is an American and that is the trouble with your side. You attack Americans.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
***This person you call race baiter is an American and that is the trouble with your side. You attack Americans***
Horse hockey, Ruthie. I'm a huge fan of America and visit friends there whenever funds permit. But what I don't like is D-baggers using race to attain victimhood status, or advance themselves politically. That's un American.
downriggershop 1 year ago
@downshop That was an analogy you dimwitted cunt. If low cognitive functionality is what you suffer from, then stop barging in every conversation and try to ski on everyone's piss. & for you even run behind the broad shield of the First Amendment goes to show what a cerebral handicap you are. The criticism is for refusal of treatment to patients with opposing political view base on the "note" he plastered on his place of "practice." Guess lame brain red herring's the only way you seek attention.
leephon 1 year ago
***The criticism is for refusal of treatment to patients with opposing political view***
Liberals' support for Obama is what's screwing up healthcare, Phony. The doctor has every right to deny service to idiots doing that, in exactly the same way he should deny service to a lung cancer patient who keeps smoking.
downriggershop 1 year ago
@downriggershop Wait a minute. Are you suggesting we should deny care for someone who smokes and develops a lung cancer? HAHAHA!
Then why stop there yahoo? Why not eliminate care for anyone who spends more than 12 fast food meals a year? Why not eliminate care to people with 30% calorie daily intake comes from "processed" food?
So now you are an arbitrator of right all of sudden? You decide who gets care or not? Cocksuck, weren't you the one who said govt. should not dictate ANY rule on care?
leephon 1 year ago
Second, to your admission, the doctor should deny care to someone who's dying of prostate cancer and has the opposing political view. That's actually illegal. He can't do that. Make sure you understand the law first before regurgitating your pronounced low buffoonery.
leephon 1 year ago
You already know what I think. I'd call you a pig but pigs have compassion. I will not insult pigs.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
You Go Doc!!
I wish you lived in my hometown. I'd go to you.
!!!AMERICANS NEED TO WAKE UP!!
OBAMACARE IS BADCARE
daisy744 1 year ago
@daisy744 How do you know what it is when you have been fed a steady diet of lies by FIXED NEWS? Think about this: If you were a conglomerate of the worlds richest corporations, you think you could not afford your own news station?
Why is it even though facts don't change and four or five media outlets report on a story only FAUX NEWS gets it right? What are odds all of them (& C-Span!) got it wrong and this ONE station got it right?
Odds are the one "different" station has a different AGENDA.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Love idiots like you that bash Fox and then get your news from MSNBC, New York Tmes, or some other far left shithole.
HILARIOUS
HokiesAndDawgs 1 year ago
@HokiesAndDawgs Yeah, they're all lying and FOX is giving it to you straight. You know what tort reform is buddy? You will know soon enough if Republicans get control. Big corporations, less regulated, take more chances and kill or injure more people. Tort reform is so people (voters) cannot sue beyond $250G.
To a big corp this is chicken feed and no incentive NOT to hurt you again. You are walking right into the trap. You think Liberals news is the one pro-big corporations? Now that's funny.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
***What are odds all of them (& C-Span!) got it wrong and this ONE station got it right?***
About one hundred percent. Because the other networks are goosestep liberals. That's why their ratings are in free fall.
downriggershop 1 year ago
@downriggershop Yeah, they're all lying and FOX is giving it to you straight. You know what tort reform is buddy? You will know soon enough if Republicans get control. Big corporations, less regulated, take more chances and kill or injure more people. Tort reform is so people (voters) cannot sue beyond $250G.
To a big corp this is chicken feed and no incentive NOT to hurt you again. You are walking right into the trap. You think Liberals news is the one pro-big corporations? Now that's funny.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Actually odds are the rest of the media conglomerates (Which, ironically members of those "big bad greedy corporations" that you libs are always railing against) are in the pocket of the current administration. There's about a 10-year pattern of decided liberal bias on behalf of the major media outlets, which is well established. Along comes Fox and, within a matter of about 3 years, gains the highest viewership of all of them, and YOU THINK that's it's because of an agenda?
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 Of course it is because of an agenda. Maybe they have successfully pulled the wool over your eyes but not mine.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Right. I'll bet you're one of those 9/11 "Truthers," aren't you?
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 You just keep on betting and before long you will lose it all. That's what bettors do.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Who needs to gamble when we've got the Federal government gambling for us?
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
You Go Doc!!
I wish you lived in my hometown. I'd go to you.
!!!AMERICANS NEED TO WAKE UP!!
OBAMACARE IS BADCARE
daisy744 1 year ago
Nov. 2 say goodbye to the Democruds that voted for Obamacare!!!!
szman167 1 year ago
@spgfld1903 Nothing is being forced down your throat unless you want it.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
good for him.
rl6698 1 year ago 2
moriya2k2 Jesus has nothing to do with this doctor or what he does. Jesus is so far from the folks in the Republican party they don't even pretend to believe in the teachings of Jesus anymore. "They" (for whom no amount of money will ever be enough) killed Him in the first place and check your conscious...you are helping to kill Him and all that He stands for all over again.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
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downriggershop: Democrats tried to use tactics like the Cornhusker clause and Medicare Advantage to get votes. Republicans HAVE HEALTH CARE so what do they offer to get votes? How DO you persuade a filthy rich constituency that HAS everything including private jets and limos? You got it... BONDAGE SEX PARTIES.
That's right people. Keep making a case for the DEVIL. I would rather die with honor and integrity, than support the GOP party of perversion, hedonism, war and rape of the planet.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
downriggershop: Democrats tried to use tactics like the Cornhusker clause and Medicare Advantage to get votes. Republicans HAVE HEALTH CARE so what do they offer to get votes? How DO you persuade a filthy rich constituency that HAS everything including private jets and limos? You got it... BONDAGE SEX PARTIES.
That's right people. Keep making a case for the DEVIL. I would rather die with honor and integrity, than support the GOP party of perversion, hedonism, war and rape of the planet.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
The bribes were removed in the reconciliation bill.
moriya2k2 1 year ago
@moriya2k2 guess you missed the point -
one party bribes using health care and the other party bribes using bondage themed sex parties.
If you were asking me to make a judgment call on the integrity of these two very different groups with their two very different strategies - I'd say the shady operators are the bondage sex party crowd rather than those trying to sneak in health care for seniors! lol
You I am sure will disagree, but that's you. Not me.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain true, but in their defense i think the dem party have probably also done something like this, they just didn't get caught.
moriya2k2 1 year ago
@moriya2k2 Ok. Ya got me, I give up.
Actually, I don't fight with girls. Have a nice day.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain I wasn't starting an argument, i'm simply saying...
moriya2k2 1 year ago
he's a loser....
lickm 1 year ago
If you want socialist health care you should move to North Korea!
tsiya2 1 year ago 2
@tsiya2 don't be retarded - there is no help for that no matter where you go
rusethorcain 1 year ago
democrats support health care but think genocide against unborn babies is different than the holocaust
DrewsterDawg77 1 year ago
@DrewsterDawg77 Republicans support Haliburton, Wackenhut, Wellpoint and Exxon. The genocide against unborn babies is so the spawn of rapist doesn't get reproduced. You should be glad. Republicans are against abortion because almost all unwanted children go on to become their sweatshop manual labor, subservient slaves and front line foot soldiers. Think you are kidding someone.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@DrewsterDawg77 well it is. maybe you should read about what happened in the holocaust and compare it to abortion practices.
naliuj 1 year ago
@naliuj Maybe you should read, period. What happened during the holocaust is the US didn't intervene in time to save many walking talking humans from dying horrid senseless deaths because it wasn't our problem and we looked the other way. It certainly wasn't too little.... but for many, it was too late.
Regarding this health care bill...ditto.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain fair enough i can see your way of thinking about the subject, i dont agree with you at all, and we can go off on a world war 2 american uninvolvement disscussion but lets leave it at a diff. of opinion.
Question; If abortion was illegal what should happen to women who get abortions? jailtime, fines?
naliuj 1 year ago
@DrewsterDawg77 Not supporting the health care bill is genocide against walking talking humans cuz they don't work for the right company making widgets. You're leaving children without mothers who could have been saved by preventative tests. Abortion? You against the war? Collateral damage kills innocent families for freedom all the time. Where is your outrage?
Democrats want insurance companies out of the way so we can see a doctor without having to get permission from someone to do it.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
We need to get rid of the Obama loving twits like Grayson in Florida, remember Nov 2nd, vote the incumbants all out!!!! Only keep Ron Paul!!!!
szman167 1 year ago 2
He probably had too attend a foriegn medical school because spaces were reseved for blacks with poor grades in American Medical schools just like the president got his law degree. But the president surrendered his law licence as di michelle with her law license.
leland0t0013 1 year ago
Go doctor Go!...Totally agree with him, he has every right just like any others. Obama healthcare will destroy many alive with poor quality healthcare services. It will get worst, as day pass. Eventually the real meaning of that bill, will unfold as day passes. Then it will be too late. So, enjoy Obama care now, then every one will be screaming. Lies will be expose!...He's lies will be expose! NO CHANGE!
sungmee45 1 year ago 2
@sungmee45 Everybody isn't insured all the time. Medical expenses have gotten out of hand. If you don't have health care you can't afford to see a doctor. Mothers are dying and leaving their children behind. Do you recall any Medicare, Medicade patient complaining? Or any Fed Employees? Or Veterans? These are all government run programs.
If giant corporations wanted to screw the public, HOW without getting outed by those nosy NEWS reporters?
You might create your own Faux News Channel.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
".... long time Mt Dora resident, ACORN organizer and SIEU member Estella Chapman got wind of the sign and stopped by with an MSNBC news crew to see for herself........... demented Dem Obamabot Alan Grayson took a break from his 'if you get sick, die quickly' alarmist wingnut craziness to pose with his 'seriously concerned' look, for Eyewitness News................"
downriggershop 1 year ago
You know anyone being told they need their spleen removed?
I know three people.
This is the latest "operation du jour" for a bunch of quacks calling themselves doctors.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
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***You know anyone being told they need their spleen removed?
I know three people***
Uh huh. Keep the lies coming lib, their amateurishness is the only interesting thing about you.
downriggershop 1 year ago 2
@downriggershop @downriggershop @downriggershop Yes I am a libertarian, a constitutional libertarian. You sound like that other redneck who shouted out "Liar."
When you have no substantive argument only a few tired talking points drilled into your head like a mantra, you have no defense of your position and what else can you say but "lies!" You poor thing. Education is the next thing we fix.
Too little too late in your case.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
Good point! According to a recent study as many as 40k people die per year from not having "access" to health services. Yet it's those services that are collectively responsible for the third leading cause or preventable death in this country! It's called "Iatrogenisis" Look it up if you don't believe me.
So let's tax the crap out of the rest of Americans so we can throw that 42k into a horribly broken system. It's all about COMPASSION, folks!
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 What tax pal this is taking a saving and applying it elsewhere.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPASSION.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
In fact I do. Compassion isn't just giving a free handout to people. Sometimes it means making the tough decision to let people learn how to fend for themselves. I wasn't FOR the bailout of the banks. I wasn't FOR the GM bailout. I'm not FOR increasing taxes (first on the rich and big corporations who will respond by leaving the country and sacking their money away, then on to the rest of us) so that a minor percentage of us can receive free health care.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
You know anyone being told they need their spleen removed?
I know three people.
This is the latest "operation du jour" for a bunch of quacks calling themselves doctors.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
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rusethorcain 1 year ago
This guy is nothing but disgusting scum and has no right to be a doctor. He takes a Hippocratic oath to treat people and then lets his political views stop him from doing that. This is not a doctor. This is a charlatan. His license to practice medicine should be yanked. Let him go back to school to be a politician if that is what he really wants to be.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain The main part of the Hippocratic oath is "first, do no harm." It is not that he is required to treat anyone even if he disagrees with them or has become an enemy. Look it up in Wiki. There is no obligation to treat all comers.
freesk8 1 year ago
This guy is nothing but disgusting scum and has no right to be a doctor. He takes a Hippocratic oath to treat people and then lets his political views stop him from doing that. This is not a doctor. This is a charlatan. His license to practice medicine should be yanked. Let him go back to school to be a politician if that is what he really wants to be.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
A doctor, or a provider of ANY product or service, has a right to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY reason.
We have a right to boycott them as well if we don't like their attitudes.
That's called Liberty. Look it up. It's a RIGHT.
Grayson would revoke their licenses for this kind of thing.
freesk8 1 year ago
@freesk8 Apparently you have never gotten a business license. Why do you think this FL cracker quacker said he WOULD actually treat the patients?
You might be surprised to learn as an American I have the right to patronize anywhere open to the public without discrimination.
US Govt Dept set up to regulate business are there to make sure you don't get maimed poisoned or killed or refused service for any frivolous reason. For that you need a license that specifies Private Club.
I looked it up.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain By the way, I HAVE gotten three business licenses in my life. And I'm not talking about what is legal, I'm talking about what is MORAL and what is consistent with our natural rights to life, liberty and property. You have NO right to go in to any private property without the permission of the owner, regardless of "public accommodation" laws. Or would you argue that all laws, including marijuana and gay marriage prohibition, are moral laws?
If you don't like him, run a boycott.
freesk8 1 year ago
@freesk8 Is it moral to watch a young woman die and leave behind 3 teenagers because she couldn't afford a mammogram. You will burn in hell no matter how many fetus you saved. Denying basic care to children and coverage extended to 31 million more Americans is not a moral plus to you? And you RIGHTYs think WAR is MORAL? Collateral damage wipes out whole families of innocent people. You got no problem with that though. You could give a shit about any life besides your own. Moral my ass. Liar.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
More stupid talking points from you. That 31 million number is an ESTIMATE and doesn't kick in until 2019.....10 fucking years. With population growth that number might only be about 10 million or so in terms of real people getting healthcare.
BTW Idiot - The government taxes go up in this bill and the government now has a right to view your medical history whenever they want.
In short, you are a complete sheep and an idiot.
HokiesAndDawgs 1 year ago
@HokiesAndDawgs You can lead a hose to water but nobody can make them drink. Stand there and die of thirst and stupidity if you want to. You are nothing more than a pawn for mega corporations and a guinea pig for big pharma. That's OK When they harm you can sue right? Wrong! GOP is fighting so they can take more greater risks with Americans and cap injury payments at $250G. (Tort reform) Does that sound people friendly to you? Too bad ignorance isn't painful. You'd be in a world of hurting.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain I've opposed the Mideast wars since 2002. Many Democrats voted for them, and many D's still support our presence there. I'm pro-choice, and have been all my adult life. I didn't vote for Bush or McCain; I'm a Libertarian and I voted for Bob Barr, so you've got me wrong there.
And I also believe that the recent health care reform bill will make things WORSE for poor people by:
raising the cost of ins and health care
increasing wait times
reducing quality of care
killing jobs.
freesk8 1 year ago
@freesk8 I respect your position and views but I disagree on the great potential and benefit of this health care bill. This is why many of us voted for him. This is what he was supposed to do. Do you know on behalf of patients, hospitals are billing insurance companies $25 for a bandaid and $30 for an aspirin?
And you think this bill can't save us money!
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain And then there is your claim that govt regulation actually makes us safer. This is rubbish. The FDA, for example, causes more people to die by delaying good drugs, than it saves by preventing people from taking bad drugs. It actually kills more people than it saves. And then there is business licensure. The states licensing boards are run by people who are in the industry they regulate! The real purpose is to stifle competition, not increase safety.
freesk8 1 year ago
What a surprise. A black woman talking shit about him. I guess she's racist, right? That's what they'd be saying if roles were reversed.
HokiesAndDawgs 1 year ago
This man is a great American. Vote that piece of shit Alan Grayson out in November,
HokiesAndDawgs 1 year ago 2
@HokiesAndDawgs I beg to differ.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
Vote Douchebag Alan Grayson out!!!
szman167 1 year ago 2
@szman167 Alan Grayson is one of the few politicians with backbone and integrity. The corrupt politicians in Washington hate him because he is looking out for the health of the American people and not the bottom line on his hedge fund or corporate stock options.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
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rusethorcain 1 year ago
@szman167 Alan Grayson is one of the few politicians with backbone and integrity. The corrupt politicians in Washington hate him because he is looking out for the health of the American people and not the bottom line on his hedge fund or corporate stock options.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
***Alan Grayson is one of the few politicians with backbone and integrity***
LOL! Thanks for the laughs, wingnut. How are things, in Grayson's office?
downriggershop 1 year ago
@downriggershop spoken like a true right wing nut
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@szman167 Whats "szman" stand for? Short for scuz man?
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain are you one of those blinded Obamanoids that believe Barry Soetoro is a good man, he's a Muslim that has divided America!!!
szman167 1 year ago
Bravo, more doctors need to do this, Obamacare is going to destroy Healthcare!!!!
szman167 1 year ago 2
As the husband of a doctor, I will tell you, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHIN YET!! Doctors by the THOUSANDS will retire and you WILL see the results. This doc s a HERO to 90% of doctors with sense. The producers of this country WILL SHUT DOWN and you will see Atlas Shrugged become reality. And what will you blood sucking MaObama "gimme" class do when no one is left to support your pathetic asses?
Jadion 1 year ago 2
@Jadion Get rid of the quacks already...maybe he can go and be a drug pusher. Lord knows he has the experience. lol
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@Jadion Get rid of the quacks already...maybe he can go and be a drug pusher. Lord knows he has the experience. lol
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@Jadion
Spend the money we saved on preventative care instead of giving it to blood sucking, surgery happy, pill pushers in medicine for the money - like your husband.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
He has the right to do that if he wants to. Grayson can take his sanctimony and "GTFO." People don;t get into health care - they don;t go through years of med school to give handouts to a bunch of deadbeat Welfare recipients. Some may grant charity, but that's up to them. It's their business after all, and they get to decide who they want to treat. As long as they are not discriminating on the basis of race, religion, etc.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006
This isn't about deadbeat welfare recipients. They already get health care, just like prisoners and POW's all already get health care.
Obama wants Doctors to get their money and not insurance companies.
If big insurance WAS trying to stop this bill how would they do it? Buy the favors of a news station already hawking corporate interests? How can ALL News Stations report wrong (they get together? they are rivals! )and only Faux News report it right? The facts are the facts. Wake up
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
ROFL. You actually BELIEVE that Obama wants doctors to get their money. Whatever you're smoking must be pretty good. How about this little "factoid" for you: More than half of all doctors in the United States have opted out of Medicare because of the fact that the government keeps cutting doctor reimbursements. The so-called "doctor fix" only increases doctor reimbursements by 1.1%. I guess Congress was hoping that more docs would take new Medicare patients. WRONG!!!!
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
And as far as your point about the news conglomerates are concerned, I watched a MSNBC "round table" which included a prominent black female Senator. They were discussing the Tea Party protest at the steps of Congress the day they passed HCR. Supposedly there were 15 racial slurs hurled at the members of the Black Congressional Caucus, and supposedly one member was spit upon. Despite the fact that TO DATE this has not been verified, they discussed the issue as if it were fact.
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
...that should tell you something about the supposed "balanced media."
Ovedya2006 1 year ago
@Ovedya2006 Maybe you are unaware of it but one of the founding principals of Democracy requires A FREE AND FAIR PRESS.
FAUX NEWS is the first step to the demise of this Nation. Then they rig the Supreme Court. Now corporations can vote. They are trying to gain control of the Governors. Soon you will be eating sludge and living next to a SUPERFUND site.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
Seek care elsewhere?
Which change upsets him? The inability to deny service based on a previous condition? The extra people that qualify for medicare?
What a scumbag.
Susanmugen 1 year ago
I'm concerned about the deathcare bill as well.
twanablevins 1 year ago
I'm concerned about the deathcare bill as well.
twanablevins 1 year ago
@twanablevins
What we had was a corrupt disease management system. A lucrative scam running for a long time.
Drug companies scientist researchers "look for a cure" get employment and funds. FDA approves crap made by giant psuedo FOOD corps. We get sick and need the insurance companies, doctors and DRUGS they also regulate. Lawsuits filed over "bad drugs" keep lawyers busy.
GOOD HEALTH will interrupt this very profitable food chain of bloodsuckers living off our sickness and disease.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
This man has a license and it should be taken from him
RSNelsen 1 year ago
Boycott all treasonous commie progressives in all areas of business and services ....they want commie healthcare send their asses to Cuba....need that roof fixed ...buy a hammer....need your car repaired buy a manual...need a lawyer use a public defender...
70% of the republic is center right...time to let these treasonous commie progressives feel it
Hellpig 1 year ago 2
Good for him. Yea, add 30 million and prices don't go up. Sure, add 10 trillion to the deficit and improve the economy.
Delusion, think about it.
pvbaelen 1 year ago 3
@pvbaelen Yet not a whisper of complaint from you when George Bush gave the biggest tax loophole in the history country to rich depriving the United States out of 3 trillion a year in vital tax dollars we WERE getting to fix things.
Dollars the citizens already paid taxes on, the first time it exchanged hands and WE SPENT IT. That means we were royally screwed
and then he bought a war.
Now the country is broke. Blaming Obama is like blaming the Police for investigating the scene of the crime.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......yeah, because Obama spending trillions that we don't have is Bush's fault. You are ignorant beyond words.
HokiesAndDawgs 1 year ago
@HokiesAndDawgs This all you got redneck?
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain
That all you can say when presented with facts you limp wristed POS?
HokiesAndDawgs 1 year ago
@HokiesAndDawgs Girls are usually limp wristed.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
@rusethorcain - Actually you're quite incorrect on that. I bashed Bush for the out of control spending, not getting a Congressional Declaration of War for Iraq or Afghanistan, complete negligence on the border and selling out American workers with the bogus "Free Trade" treaties.
Bush confirmed what I already knew, both parties are corrupt and and heading toward bigger more intrusive government regardless of the lip service they pay to the Constitution. I voted for Chuck Baldwin.
pvbaelen 1 year ago
@pvbaelen Well bully for you. If they are all corrupt what makes you so damn sure the new people you put in office wont be or grow to be as corrupt or worse. This is our system. If you don't like it there are other countries with methods of governing you might prefer. Go there.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
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pvbaelen 1 year ago
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pvbaelen 1 year ago
Maybe that upset urology patient shouldn't have stuck a cheeseburger up her aorta and we wouldn't have to pay for her care.
MueX 1 year ago
@MueX Maybe YOU should see a proctologist rather than have some middleman, doctor robbing, do nothing, insurance company give it to YOU up the ass.
rusethorcain 1 year ago
Gee... the one who didn't feel safe was an Obama supporter. Imagine that.
joshpnw 1 year ago
@joshpnw
Do you support this stupid right winger doctor? Are you out of your mind?
edrubangura 1 year ago
@edrubangura
I sure do support him; as a matter of fact I think if I need such services i will drive out of my way to see him. After all if they dont like it they can get on a boat and go to Cuba for Obama Care up and running
tkdhav 1 year ago 2
@tkdhav
So, you are a fucking redneck white man, right? You motherfucker.
Now, we are taking our country back, and it's good to see that Obamacare as the law of the land, just ended the nonsense corporate Reagan Era. Get used to it.
You stupid republican arseholes ruined and almost collapsed our economy during the last eight years by giving tax break to the rich, while we are going through two wars. Americans will ever forget what W did.
edrubangura