Why spend another $3,000,000 to add 22 more UNELECTED, APPOINTED politicians to our government? DUMB idea of the year. Democracy is based on the will of the majority ( meaning the most people ). This thing will allow minorities to set agendas that they will foist on the majority. If these fringe parties were what we wanted, then we would vote for them in large enough numbers to elect them. VOTE NO to this boobdoggle. One vote one person one voice.
One person one vote one voice is not correct for the current system. If your vote is discarded, then your voice is lost. That's why you need two votes. I suggest you educate yourself about the problems MMP will be solving and you really understand it rather than having a knee jerk reaction just because you don't understand what's going on.
How does the concept of minority and majority fall into this picture? Your points strike me as irrelevant: this is not an issue about whether minorities are getting more power than they should (if we can even talk about such a thing). The issue is about properly reflecting diversity of political agendas.
It's interesting that you say that, "if we wanted these fringe parties, we'd vote for them in large enough numbers...", and yet fail to realize that there is a discrepancy between a party getting over 5% of the vote and yet not getting any seats and an independent getting less than 1% yet winning a seat. In a first past the post system, it would seem that "large enough numbers" don't count for much.
If the Canadian public can vote, say twice a year(online) on the bills that they seem reasonable, then that would be a democracy.
Increasing seats (added expenses) and party's being able to hire their buddies will end up in a more corrupt system.
On the website there is no analysis of the other systems of democracy, only the company's objective of pushing MMP based on not many people knowing what the fuck it is.
If you are upset over MMP's website, you can always visit the other posted weblink.
I find it ironic that in one of your sentences, you remark that "representatives are already there", but then admit that direct online voting (i.e. true and direct representation with millions of participants) would enable a true democracy. At any rate, this is not so much about increasing the amount of seats as it is about making the system fairer.
I will be voting NO to MMP. MMP is not needed and it will not bring a better system. There are no benefits. I'm also voting NO for another reason: this is a major change for Ontario and most Ontarians are not educated enough on the topic of MMP. You would think that such a big change would see widespread debate, but most Ontarians don't even know of the referendum!
There exists a non-partisan Facebook group against MMP; it is worth joining.
I'll comment on your first line of argument later. As to your second reason for saying "no", why exactly is a modest public discussion (I can't quite pinpoint what you mean by "widespread") a reason for voting no?
why isn't there a 3rd option on the ballet stating "none of the above"????
The problem isn't the representatives, it's the policies. I think it took McGuinty 2 whole days in office before he stated he would not honour his promises.
This referendum an illusion of choice.
Direct Democracy enables the population to hold representatives accountable for their actions.
Provocateur cops, officials failing to investigate, a senate that won't investigate?
The proposal from the Citizens' Assembly is what's on the table. There's nothing blank about it.
EricSSmith 4 years ago
"we could easily end up with a voting system as screwed up as the USA..."
Prove that Elections Ontario would materially change how it counts votes under MMP or drop your paranoia.
EricSSmith 4 years ago
canada is not yankee land why do u fear change is coming as my grandma said to u cannot stop change.
simbrow 3 years ago
Reminds me of 60s animated film as brought to us by the NFB. Neat!
EricSSmith 4 years ago
Why spend another $3,000,000 to add 22 more UNELECTED, APPOINTED politicians to our government? DUMB idea of the year. Democracy is based on the will of the majority ( meaning the most people ). This thing will allow minorities to set agendas that they will foist on the majority. If these fringe parties were what we wanted, then we would vote for them in large enough numbers to elect them. VOTE NO to this boobdoggle. One vote one person one voice.
ontarioelections2007 4 years ago
One person one vote one voice is not correct for the current system. If your vote is discarded, then your voice is lost. That's why you need two votes. I suggest you educate yourself about the problems MMP will be solving and you really understand it rather than having a knee jerk reaction just because you don't understand what's going on.
ioanatimariu 4 years ago
How does the concept of minority and majority fall into this picture? Your points strike me as irrelevant: this is not an issue about whether minorities are getting more power than they should (if we can even talk about such a thing). The issue is about properly reflecting diversity of political agendas.
BeachofDreams 4 years ago
Seems like you've done your research, have you found any problems that may arise from this change?
viktorj85 4 years ago
It's interesting that you say that, "if we wanted these fringe parties, we'd vote for them in large enough numbers...", and yet fail to realize that there is a discrepancy between a party getting over 5% of the vote and yet not getting any seats and an independent getting less than 1% yet winning a seat. In a first past the post system, it would seem that "large enough numbers" don't count for much.
BeachofDreams 4 years ago
Representatives are already there.
If the Canadian public can vote, say twice a year(online) on the bills that they seem reasonable, then that would be a democracy.
Increasing seats (added expenses) and party's being able to hire their buddies will end up in a more corrupt system.
On the website there is no analysis of the other systems of democracy, only the company's objective of pushing MMP based on not many people knowing what the fuck it is.
lighthammar 4 years ago
If you are upset over MMP's website, you can always visit the other posted weblink.
I find it ironic that in one of your sentences, you remark that "representatives are already there", but then admit that direct online voting (i.e. true and direct representation with millions of participants) would enable a true democracy. At any rate, this is not so much about increasing the amount of seats as it is about making the system fairer.
BeachofDreams 4 years ago
I will be voting NO to MMP. MMP is not needed and it will not bring a better system. There are no benefits. I'm also voting NO for another reason: this is a major change for Ontario and most Ontarians are not educated enough on the topic of MMP. You would think that such a big change would see widespread debate, but most Ontarians don't even know of the referendum!
There exists a non-partisan Facebook group against MMP; it is worth joining.
jwsmith00 4 years ago
I'll comment on your first line of argument later. As to your second reason for saying "no", why exactly is a modest public discussion (I can't quite pinpoint what you mean by "widespread") a reason for voting no?
BeachofDreams 4 years ago
why isn't there a 3rd option on the ballet stating "none of the above"????
The problem isn't the representatives, it's the policies. I think it took McGuinty 2 whole days in office before he stated he would not honour his promises.
This referendum an illusion of choice.
Direct Democracy enables the population to hold representatives accountable for their actions.
Provocateur cops, officials failing to investigate, a senate that won't investigate?
This crap is a distraction.
democracyisdead 4 years ago
Certain policies need certain representatives of those policies; you can't build a democracy on policy alone.
BeachofDreams 4 years ago
SWEET
JOHNDEVERELL 4 years ago
Awesome! I love it! Great vid. (Voting for MMP on October 10th).
linuxluver 4 years ago