Funny some skinny farm kid from some small American farm community just beat the shit out of a japan soldier during WWII on some beach in the pacific then took his sword, and tossed that junk jap gun into the ocean. makes one wonder how much of the smauri and nija shit is even real. Beverlys hills nija.
yup, mm hmmm yup kayatana hiayya oooooo dumpooooooAH man that was a brutal samuridump hmmmm mmmmmmm yup hiya hi ya where is my news paper gotta go to the crapper and take a hi ya hmmm mmmm jajnd aha dump. too bad all of the samuri swords are in our country now as war trophys from WWII! yup we own the jap o's. Beat the shit of em during the war and took there swords as fun trophys noiw they are just junk in some ones attic........ so much for smauri history it is the attic
I was actually expecting this to be a much better documentary than it was, and it turned out to be filled with blatantly false statements.
The Maori people believed most of their weapons had a spirit of their own, some viking swords and even axes were considered to have spirits.
Perfect sword is ridiculous, by that logic if the Roman legion had used katana instead of gladius they would have been more successful. Ian Bottomley should REALLY know better than to use claims like "perfect sword".
There! They speak clearly of a more civilian Katana from the 16th century upwards! This infotainment is NOT speaking of "Tachi", the actual battlefield weapon of Samurai. This is... really weird, because the very most of important swords of high prestige and excellent quality were actually Tachi, and not Katana. Strangely, there are really no documentaries about Tachi or Chokuto, early straight-bladed japanese swords. Well, I see, Tachi are not hyped like its brother, teh katana.
I think the katana is definitely a nice sword because of the care taken in making it and the whole ceremony/honor aspect. For actual combat outcomes there are a lot of other swords that could beat it, but it depends on the fighting style, armor, shields etc. Like rock/paper/scissors. There is always someone else that can beat your style.
Mythbusters tested swords and a Viking sword came out best, that said the various types of swords have different uses and and the Katana is indeed a a great sword when made with the methods and skill required, but remember centuries betwen the emerge of the swords of the Vikings and the Katana.
Bottom line is that for its designed purpose the Katana is perfect but as the swords of the Vikings were excellent in a more variable use.
I love Japanese culture, but I don't think that ' The japanese sword is the ultimate sword in the world '. I want you, foreign people, love Katana as one of a lot of sword cultures around the world. As a Japanese, I think so. Thanks for being interested in Japanese culture.
I'm German, interested in all swords around the world and have lots of respect for japanese culture. Unfortunately many westerners become obsessed with Japan so they start spreading myths about samurai and nihon-to, and about european knights as well. Nihon-to are works of art, a 1000 year old living tradition and it makes me sad when people tell bad and false things about it. Hope people will soon know more about japanese culture.
Here we have a new documentary on National Geographic. Surisingly, they tried to portray the european knight as accurate as they could. Even real HEMA experts were there:
The reason Japanese katana were regarded highly in their time was because of the manufacturing methods used. In the past, most European swords were forged so the metal grain size was rather homogeneous and the sharpening was done by hammering and grinding. The katana were forged so it had more than 2,000 layers and tempered so there were at least 3 different grain sizes. Comparison should be done with swords 400 years old. Finally, the decisive factor ultimately depends on the swordsman.
Actualy not only Aristocray had "Samurais" in fact the "Nobles Aristocrats" werent samurais at all! The samurais began as warrior class outside the "noble class" that remain in Kyoto with Emperor normaly these two groups had bad relations one of reasons why Nobunaga choose Mitsude Akechi to discuss with Emperor and Nobles was because he had blood relations with noble class in Kyoto with Emperor so he would be "more accepted" by time of Country at war even a peasant could reach samurai
Hydeoshi for example star has a Ashigaru and rose to the leader of the entire country! It was only with Tokugawa that Samurai were finaly strutured as "aristocrat" class in Feudal Type of Society
@mamimiming if you take this video as proof of japanese superiority over europa, then you are a sad, missinformed individual.
Basicly everyone had patternwelded swords. The arabs had damast steel, the Europeans had the Wooz. The romans had laminate steel swords, the celts used as many as 8 different types of steel for one sword and the La Tene people used pattern welding as early as 950 BCE.
Oh and that magic smelter they have? It's a bloomery. Known for producing crap steel.
@mamimiming Food for thought. If Europe sucks compared to japan then why did nobunaga oda (the man who conquered almost all of japan) wear European plate armor during battles? answer me this you weeaboo.
good points of katana. cuts trough armor and is the best cuting sword. bad points, is expensive to preduse and dangerus in wrong hands, allso is not as good for stabing as some indian and european stabing sword. still japanese people trained their sword men so hard that they perfected this weapon. no weapon is without flaw. katana is good agaist armor but it is not the most easiest weapon to master. its still better in battle then some of the other swords. it demands time to perfect.
@gooddarkjedi If you are talking about leather or bamboo armor then yes, it is capable of cutting those. But it can hardly pierce riveted chainmail and it is completly incapable of cutting plate armor.
Any european warrior worth his salt trained with his weapon starting as early as he could hold it upright.
And lastly a katana is a sharp metal stick. And it performs just like all the other sharp metal sticks al around the world. There is no such thing as a "bestest ever" sword.
About "which is the best sword"... Let's see that in contrast. European Sword had to be completely different. What does a very sharp sword help you, if you fight against a fully armored knight? You'd just make your sword dull. And that's probably why most medieval sword weren't really sharp but at the tip. They were designed to knock your enemy over. While Samurai weren't heavily armored, but had just leather armors, which purpose was more to deflect than to shield, a sharp sword helped,indeed.
All that for a weapon which has no more slicing power then the broadsword, requires two hands + damn lots of training, skill and time to use and forge...
@jeremyIfisher i can see your point but the idea is that a well trained samauri and a well trained...er, knight...well, the samurai would have the better sword anyway :P
@BlackValkyire Well, the broadsword is one handed sword so you can use a shield off-hand, with the katana its a two handed blade. The samurai would get a slight advantage in range but he has to attack and block with only his katana whilst the knight can block and bash with his shield whilst attacking with his sword.
What's more, the Japanese did NOT invent the katana. The Japanese started out using double bladed, one handed swords like those on the Asian continent. But they encountered the aboriginal peoples of northern Japan, the Emishi, who used the katana and the naginata as their primary blade weapons. These were found to be superior when used from horseback, and were thus adopted.
I love how they say "the sword that dominated battlefields"
Wars in Japan were won by arrows and pikes. The Roman legionnaires were the only soldiers in world history to use a sword as a standard cold steel weapon. 99% of all foot soldiers in the world used either a spear or a bow.
In actual combat, swords were like pistols today. A secondary arm used in close quarters or in irregular combat.
Quite frankly, I'm embarrassed by the gushing in this 'documentary'. I'm a Japanese history student, but... seriously. The katana wasn't THAT good. Yes, it was an excellent sword. But no, it could not so easily cut through armor. That's why during the warring states Samurai preferred to use yari (spears). Yari were much better for piercing armor. Katana were a back up weapon.
@kenjutsukata1o1 I guess you're right, but if we go back in time and look on the weapons such as the katana and others... The katana was far greatly superiour to other weapons.
For example, comparing an weapon from my ancestors, let's say an two handed sword or an battle axe, these weapons would shatter much more often than the katana would.
I know that isn't the perspective of this movie, but still, just a thought that i had ^^
Uh, not really. What evidence are you using to try and state they would 'shatter far more frequently'? The lamination and folding methods used to make Japanese swords? Europeans had been using similar processes starting around the 8th century BCE. They stopped using them as they gained access to superior technology. So then, why would European swords 'shatter far mor often'? I'll answer; there's no reason why. The katana is not 'greatly superior' to all other weapons.
@Caliburnis I was actually thinking of Scandinavian type swords which, in fact, is not folded or done in any similar way like this. I had this point of view from the vikings, and they had somewhat similar techniques but i have not seen any type of folding technique like mentioned in the creation of Katanas. So, speaking from an theoratically point of view, I think that the katanas were back then when Vikings probably did not have full potential as they could have had.
@MrMaxen92 But really, why would i think of the Scandinavian broadsword when it was in fact their type of battle axes that was mostly famous? At least the Double edged battle axe and the polearm type axe were excellent, but that is a completley different kind of weapon.
The sword was also quite famous. When we look at the sagas we see tons of examples of swords being glorified to a near magical state. For a real-life example, we have "Quern-biter" of King Haakon I, which was supposedly able to cut right through a quern stone. This is likely hyperbole. We also have Frankish made swords were also particularly valued by the Muslims around the close of the Early era, causing the Frankish kings to close the sale of swords to Muslim lands.
Actually Scandinavian as with all archetypal early medieval germanic swords were folded like with katana. We have finds from Sweden, Norway, and Denmark of pattern welded viking era swords that are, yes, folded. The technique survives today in Finland.
Also, keep in mind folding is just a technique used to even out the distribution of elements, a technique completely unnecessary when you gain access to superior furnaces; explaining why Europeans stopped using it.
Also, in reference to your earlier post as well as this one, there are no "Viking" two handed swords. We literally have no archaeological finds of two handed Viking era swords. Two handed swords are primarily developments further south, in Germany, Italy, Spain, France, and England, in the very last years of the 12th century. We didn't see two handed swords becoming dominant until the late 14th century, however.
" from my ancestors, let's say an two handed sword or an battle axe,"
Combined with; "I was actually thinking of Scandinavian type swords which, in fact, is not folded or done in any similar way like this. I had this point of view from the vikings,"
At the very least, you had the appearance of making that claim.
Regardless, there is no evidence for the superiority of katana over Western swords.
Folks, now it's finally happened! A more objective comaprison made by Stefan Roth, a german experienced swordsmith and martial artist. Here it goes...
-- watch?v=qpEC38sL3iU
-- watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp_s
Sorry, Ian Bottomley, but yours ""perfectly capable of cutting through iron plates or even other sword plates without becoming damaged"" has turned out to be BULLSH*T. :((((((
It will have some trouble. I'd displace this cut with my Type XVa longsword using the flat of my "strong" and stab my foe in the face. Or I'll execute a "Zwerchhau", deflecting katana blow and cutting opponent in the throat with the "back edge", all this in one single move.
I know, "katana will cut ur motha fukin longswoard in half". Oh RLY???
@Protherium When did I say it could cut a broadsword in half? It's a better stabbing weapon, and also a better Slashing weapon. Want proof? /watch?v=Ih7bmzFQ9rI&feature=related
@Protherium ther was nobody more experienced in sword smithery than the samurai themselves, . katana is legendary for hundreds of years and now some german punk says otherwise.. can u catch my drift on how stupid u sound
The German guy says only that european swords were excellent and perfectly forged, which can be proven by numerous research papers. He didn't say "katana are crap". European swords are everywhere in movies and fantasy, but it's amazing how little mass media actually knows how they were made and used. Without proper information about swords of other cultures you simply can't claim japanese were best at forging.
@Protherium the katana has a rich legacy and history to it, the fact that the samurai never changed its design and treated it as a religious artifact itself speaks volumes of its tensile strength and sturdiness in battle, by the way, it has been perfected over the years in such a way that its very shape speaks a ton about the speed and dexterity it can be used with compared to other swords, bdw im not debating that people CAN and WILL make a stronger sword cause they can..
@Protherium all im saying is when you mention the katana, show respect to its legacy, what it can accomplish and the people who have spent a lifetime mastering it to the best of their abilities. dont use terms like "bullshit".
Agreed. But there 's a little condition bound on it - when people will show respect to the european sword's legacy??! Everyone feels free today to call Knights "dumb stinky barbarians", their swords "blunt clumsy hunks of shitty steel swung with brute strength" and their martial arts "non-existent". There is hardly an age or culture which is so heavily disrespected as european Middle Ages. I respect japanese culture, but also want my own culture be respected!
""its very shape speaks a ton about the speed and dexterity it can be used with compared to other swords""
Right there... Everyone talks today only about "TeH KatAna", especially how it compares to other swords. But the truth is, almost no one, except HEMA guys and european sword afficionados, knows a thing about the european longsword, for instance. Mass media is full of shit, to say it right, full of "facts" based on movies, romantic novels and fantasy. Not science.
It is not us, european sword afficionados, who start flamewars and "japan bashing", we just defend ourselves because of constant denigration of our heritage. The Longsword was truly one of the best sword designs ever made, proven by metallurgical research and historical sources, and I DONT WANT it to be treated by ignorant like a primitive iron club. I dont want to be told bunches of movie myths, sold as "historical truth"! ...Period....
@Protherium the only reason why the japanese samurai and the katana are respected so greatly is they strove and were obsessed towards perfection and would stop at nothing unless they achieved it, the EARNED their respect this way. they also were religious which made them keep their composure, be calm and collected in battle, something which others like the knights wer incapable of, the knights, vikings n other warriors were all about fear and domination, tearing the other army apart.
Its treatment of Euro swordplay being about brute force is also wholly incorrect, as any study of western martial arts would show. European longsword techniques are very similar to katana, with the blade used both to block or "bind," and to attack. Calling any sword the "greatest" sword is idiotic, as different swords were designed for different circumstances.
Completely biased with its treatment of medieval swords. In the cutting comparison, the European sword is a single-hander, which cannot be compared to a two-handed katana. A proper comparison would be between a bastard sword of similar length and weight, of which plenty exist. Moreover, the documentary mentions that Euro swords were thrust-based, which is completely incorrect; there's many different designs of Euro swords, some designed for thrusting, some for cutting or slashing, or a balance.
I completely agree. Gladius and the german sax were primarily intended for thrusting, but spathae and all the swords (Oakeshott Types X-XII) were pure cutting designs.
Ian Bottomley (the old man in the vid) has surely read Petersen, Ewart Okaeshott and Ian Peirce. He just have to know it better.
European knights were no less professional. And their weapons not inferior to samurai weapons and equipment. Source: survived fighting manuals from the Late Middle Ages and Renaissance.
Unfortunately the popular stage sword combat invented in the 60-s within the "Renaissance Fairs" was regarded by many people as "true" - the movie makers of Hollywood made it then even worse. Al this has nothing to do with true european swordfighting schools, like the Liechtenauers "Kunst des Fechtens".
U kno, the iron/carbon/steel combination was not unique to the katana. Indeed, it was also used in europe, dating back to the vikings. The viking smithing ritual was very complex, but thats another story...
Or spend some time learning some european arts and try to revive them, our nation is under an asian storm of arts, and european arts are deminishing...for gods sake the term martial art, though EUROPEAN in descent is tied now to asian arts...
I have to correct myself; type XIIIa ("Great sword", do not confuse with "bidenhaender") was never used for Liechtenauer-fencing. It was a pure battle sword. Sword types like XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII and XX were used by fencers in duels. Nevertheless, the Fechtbuch I.33 clearly shows us that even a one-hander with shield or buckler was a formidable and effective weapon.
By the way; swords were always been regarded as a mystical weapon in Europe. Excellent blades were always a part of royal jewelleries. And getting a sword meant to become a noble man, or a knight. The point is; the sword died out as a battlefield weapon in the 16-th century in Europe, and was quickly forgotten. There are almost 500 years which separate us from "our samurai"! -_- And jap. samurai were wearing swords and fghting until the Meiji-restoration. Only 150 years. That's the point.
Technicaly wrong, the sword was used into the civil war era of the united states, it wasnt until a hundred fifty or so years ago that europe and the americas stoped deploying their ranked soldiers with swords, more of a CERIMONIAL purpose there, but they still were deployed with them and yes were used. even todasy theyre handed to ranked officers though not used in battle anymore. TECHNICALY wrong, but your point has been proven.
Well technically, the last war that swords were officially used in was WWII, in the hands of Japanese officers. They used lower grade Katanas, but they still used them in combat, and killed with them if they could get close enough.
An authentic european Oakshott Type XIII sword's weight was about 2,6 lbs, it was used in combination with an effective fencing system (Liechtenauer-Tradition) and was as sharp as a razor blade - there is a lot of archaeological evidence! And it was surely not swung as a iron club, bashing the edges. His stabbing abilities were superior to any curved blade and versatility was one of the major strengths. A "perfect blade" for european warfare.
2.6 lbs seems pretty light for a Type XIII to me; I've always thought of Type XIIIs as big, powerful war swords about 46-48 inches long and 3-3.5 lbs. Are you perhaps talking about a single-handed Type XIII sword? Otherwise, I agree completely with all of the points you've posted in this video's comment section.
""To me the japanese sword is the ultimate sword in the world - it has everything a perfect weapon should have."" (0:46)
It is sad that people, who should know it better are supporting urban legends. There is no "best sword" as such! Swords were always designed for special purposes, and there are several applications where the katana is inferior to another swords. It was a excellent weapon for dueling against unarmored samurai during the EDO-Peroid, but not "perfect".
it may have deemed perfect But yes, it was perfect in japan, deemed perfect in japan among the japanese in confliuct, i agree with you here greatly XD its just sad people dont want to break their binds of Japanese osession, you barely hear anything about european martial arts or weapons anymore....Martial art wasnt Derived from asian translations, Martial arts were referenced in 15th century liturature martial meaning From Mars Roman god of war, So it means arts of wars XD
@Protherium Yep, i agree with you. It a nice sword but if the mongols had managed to invade Japan and not got hit by the typhoon then they would have lost like they did the first time.
Unfortunately there is no verfiable evidence that katana differs so much from other swords around the world. No videos where katana is cutting solid steel (as often claimed) without becoming damaged, no confirmed metallurgical deviations in japanese swords tested by scientists, no forging techniques completely unknown to the rest of the world. No sign of "superiority" at all.
In the 16th century Uchigatana (father of Katana, who descended from Tachi, the grandfather of Kat) was separated in Wakizashi and Katana, which were carried by all men who could pay one. Only in EDO-period katana was declared as "the soul of the samurai", peasants and soldiers carrying all sorts of unspecified swords were forbidden to possess any of them.
Katana as we see it in movies is a EDO-period sword. Do not confuse it with Tachi or Uchigatana.
@Protherium why is it sad, nobody uses swords anymore.
who cares if they prefer the katana because of urban myths.
it's still one of the best swords around mostly because it is made with such precision and tradition that it's become more than just a sword. to me the katana is probably as close one can get to a perfect sword.
most other sword are mostly massproduced to facilitate war on a grand scale.
and most swords work only on unarmored people from it's time period.
It is actually not about urban myths or popularity. People see myths in Hollywood movies, read them in popular media and really believe that Asians were kinda "superior" and European only dumb barbarians - after some time such views get finally accepted as the "historical truth", despite they have no historical roots!
What Hollywood and pop media finally create is called PSEUDOHISTORY!! And that's the real problem with "katana hype" and those countless myths.
@wakabaw Im completly agree with you, Im feel lucky to has been practice Aikido by years, my Sensei learn with the oldsong of Morihei Ueshiba. Many people who practice "martial arts" think sadly that is just "figth". Grettings from Mexico.
Right you can have best weapon but that is not crucial in fight, as Njegoš said "battles are not fought by shiny weapons but by the harts of the heroes".
such a magnificent blade mankind has ever forged
TheRgs1987 3 weeks ago
Funny some skinny farm kid from some small American farm community just beat the shit out of a japan soldier during WWII on some beach in the pacific then took his sword, and tossed that junk jap gun into the ocean. makes one wonder how much of the smauri and nija shit is even real. Beverlys hills nija.
ussoldierrail 1 month ago
yup, mm hmmm yup kayatana hiayya oooooo dumpooooooAH man that was a brutal samuridump hmmmm mmmmmmm yup hiya hi ya where is my news paper gotta go to the crapper and take a hi ya hmmm mmmm jajnd aha dump. too bad all of the samuri swords are in our country now as war trophys from WWII! yup we own the jap o's. Beat the shit of em during the war and took there swords as fun trophys noiw they are just junk in some ones attic........ so much for smauri history it is the attic
ussoldierrail 1 month ago
I was actually expecting this to be a much better documentary than it was, and it turned out to be filled with blatantly false statements.
The Maori people believed most of their weapons had a spirit of their own, some viking swords and even axes were considered to have spirits.
Perfect sword is ridiculous, by that logic if the Roman legion had used katana instead of gladius they would have been more successful. Ian Bottomley should REALLY know better than to use claims like "perfect sword".
Railstarfish 4 months ago
3:02
There! They speak clearly of a more civilian Katana from the 16th century upwards! This infotainment is NOT speaking of "Tachi", the actual battlefield weapon of Samurai. This is... really weird, because the very most of important swords of high prestige and excellent quality were actually Tachi, and not Katana. Strangely, there are really no documentaries about Tachi or Chokuto, early straight-bladed japanese swords. Well, I see, Tachi are not hyped like its brother, teh katana.
Protherium 4 months ago
@Protherium One possibility is I have heard katana also being used as a more general word like "sword".
Railstarfish 4 months ago
I think the katana is definitely a nice sword because of the care taken in making it and the whole ceremony/honor aspect. For actual combat outcomes there are a lot of other swords that could beat it, but it depends on the fighting style, armor, shields etc. Like rock/paper/scissors. There is always someone else that can beat your style.
108Dax 4 months ago
eliminate armor from the equation and the samurai pwns
colenbrak 6 months ago
Mythbusters tested swords and a Viking sword came out best, that said the various types of swords have different uses and and the Katana is indeed a a great sword when made with the methods and skill required, but remember centuries betwen the emerge of the swords of the Vikings and the Katana.
Bottom line is that for its designed purpose the Katana is perfect but as the swords of the Vikings were excellent in a more variable use.
Marius26879 8 months ago
Kopesh, the egyptian 'sword' is the only -Perfect- sword, imo.
ViruzNoob14 9 months ago
its actually called the katana or samaria katana
lilmermer10 10 months ago
I'm Japanese.
I love Japanese culture, but I don't think that ' The japanese sword is the ultimate sword in the world '. I want you, foreign people, love Katana as one of a lot of sword cultures around the world. As a Japanese, I think so. Thanks for being interested in Japanese culture.
Sorry for my poor English.
nagonagojpn 11 months ago
@nagonagojpn
I'm German, interested in all swords around the world and have lots of respect for japanese culture. Unfortunately many westerners become obsessed with Japan so they start spreading myths about samurai and nihon-to, and about european knights as well. Nihon-to are works of art, a 1000 year old living tradition and it makes me sad when people tell bad and false things about it. Hope people will soon know more about japanese culture.
... my japanese is evern worse. 私は日本語を話さない ;-)
Protherium 11 months ago
Japanese ninja to Twitter
ttp://twitter.com/#!/Ninja_apprentic
norifuu4649 11 months ago
Here we have a new documentary on National Geographic. Surisingly, they tried to portray the european knight as accurate as they could. Even real HEMA experts were there:
-- watch?v=852OWMNYSu8#t=01m09s
Protherium 11 months ago
The reason Japanese katana were regarded highly in their time was because of the manufacturing methods used. In the past, most European swords were forged so the metal grain size was rather homogeneous and the sharpening was done by hammering and grinding. The katana were forged so it had more than 2,000 layers and tempered so there were at least 3 different grain sizes. Comparison should be done with swords 400 years old. Finally, the decisive factor ultimately depends on the swordsman.
donbasuradenuevo 1 year ago
Katana has no CHANCE WITH POLISH HUSSAR SABRE FROM 1630!!!
The best white weapon ever is Polish cavalry hussar sabre from 1630!!! It is the best fencing weapon ever!!!
look here:
/watch?v=pHP4pSQvbxk
/watch?v=n6IcZnx1flI
/watch?v=voxErBJyFuw
GregorMar 1 year ago
The most hyped up Sharpened iron bar in history.
Domiedave99 1 year ago
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victorwongvw 1 year ago
Actualy not only Aristocray had "Samurais" in fact the "Nobles Aristocrats" werent samurais at all! The samurais began as warrior class outside the "noble class" that remain in Kyoto with Emperor normaly these two groups had bad relations one of reasons why Nobunaga choose Mitsude Akechi to discuss with Emperor and Nobles was because he had blood relations with noble class in Kyoto with Emperor so he would be "more accepted" by time of Country at war even a peasant could reach samurai
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
Hydeoshi for example star has a Ashigaru and rose to the leader of the entire country! It was only with Tokugawa that Samurai were finaly strutured as "aristocrat" class in Feudal Type of Society
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
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EUROPE SUCKS!!!! JAPAN FTW!!!
mamimiming 1 year ago
@mamimiming if you take this video as proof of japanese superiority over europa, then you are a sad, missinformed individual.
Basicly everyone had patternwelded swords. The arabs had damast steel, the Europeans had the Wooz. The romans had laminate steel swords, the celts used as many as 8 different types of steel for one sword and the La Tene people used pattern welding as early as 950 BCE.
Oh and that magic smelter they have? It's a bloomery. Known for producing crap steel.
BadMartini 1 year ago
@mamimiming Food for thought. If Europe sucks compared to japan then why did nobunaga oda (the man who conquered almost all of japan) wear European plate armor during battles? answer me this you weeaboo.
dontcommentmehoe 1 year ago
good points of katana. cuts trough armor and is the best cuting sword. bad points, is expensive to preduse and dangerus in wrong hands, allso is not as good for stabing as some indian and european stabing sword. still japanese people trained their sword men so hard that they perfected this weapon. no weapon is without flaw. katana is good agaist armor but it is not the most easiest weapon to master. its still better in battle then some of the other swords. it demands time to perfect.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@gooddarkjedi If you are talking about leather or bamboo armor then yes, it is capable of cutting those. But it can hardly pierce riveted chainmail and it is completly incapable of cutting plate armor.
Any european warrior worth his salt trained with his weapon starting as early as he could hold it upright.
And lastly a katana is a sharp metal stick. And it performs just like all the other sharp metal sticks al around the world. There is no such thing as a "bestest ever" sword.
BadMartini 1 year ago
the samurai sword is just another fucking sword it breaks is not strong like they said the rest is just bullshit,
silveriomonares 1 year ago
About "which is the best sword"... Let's see that in contrast. European Sword had to be completely different. What does a very sharp sword help you, if you fight against a fully armored knight? You'd just make your sword dull. And that's probably why most medieval sword weren't really sharp but at the tip. They were designed to knock your enemy over. While Samurai weren't heavily armored, but had just leather armors, which purpose was more to deflect than to shield, a sharp sword helped,indeed.
Qudeid 1 year ago
Now check this out!
-- watch?v=n4ucqArlmpk
-- watch?v=w2ahRiSHi0E
-- watch?v=OEjEfrFmSqQ
-- watch?v=NzPxPAsuZN8
And how someone can tell me what european swords don't have what katanas possess. ;)))
Protherium 1 year ago
All that for a weapon which has no more slicing power then the broadsword, requires two hands + damn lots of training, skill and time to use and forge...
jeremyIfisher 1 year ago
@jeremyIfisher i can see your point but the idea is that a well trained samauri and a well trained...er, knight...well, the samurai would have the better sword anyway :P
BlackValkyire 1 year ago
@BlackValkyire Well, the broadsword is one handed sword so you can use a shield off-hand, with the katana its a two handed blade. The samurai would get a slight advantage in range but he has to attack and block with only his katana whilst the knight can block and bash with his shield whilst attacking with his sword.
jeremyIfisher 1 year ago
What's more, the Japanese did NOT invent the katana. The Japanese started out using double bladed, one handed swords like those on the Asian continent. But they encountered the aboriginal peoples of northern Japan, the Emishi, who used the katana and the naginata as their primary blade weapons. These were found to be superior when used from horseback, and were thus adopted.
Ecthelion008 1 year ago
I love how they say "the sword that dominated battlefields"
Wars in Japan were won by arrows and pikes. The Roman legionnaires were the only soldiers in world history to use a sword as a standard cold steel weapon. 99% of all foot soldiers in the world used either a spear or a bow.
In actual combat, swords were like pistols today. A secondary arm used in close quarters or in irregular combat.
Ecthelion008 1 year ago
Quite frankly, I'm embarrassed by the gushing in this 'documentary'. I'm a Japanese history student, but... seriously. The katana wasn't THAT good. Yes, it was an excellent sword. But no, it could not so easily cut through armor. That's why during the warring states Samurai preferred to use yari (spears). Yari were much better for piercing armor. Katana were a back up weapon.
kenjutsukata1o1 1 year ago
@kenjutsukata1o1 I guess you're right, but if we go back in time and look on the weapons such as the katana and others... The katana was far greatly superiour to other weapons.
For example, comparing an weapon from my ancestors, let's say an two handed sword or an battle axe, these weapons would shatter much more often than the katana would.
I know that isn't the perspective of this movie, but still, just a thought that i had ^^
MrMaxen92 1 year ago
@MrMaxen92
Uh, not really. What evidence are you using to try and state they would 'shatter far more frequently'? The lamination and folding methods used to make Japanese swords? Europeans had been using similar processes starting around the 8th century BCE. They stopped using them as they gained access to superior technology. So then, why would European swords 'shatter far mor often'? I'll answer; there's no reason why. The katana is not 'greatly superior' to all other weapons.
Caliburnis 1 year ago
@Caliburnis I was actually thinking of Scandinavian type swords which, in fact, is not folded or done in any similar way like this. I had this point of view from the vikings, and they had somewhat similar techniques but i have not seen any type of folding technique like mentioned in the creation of Katanas. So, speaking from an theoratically point of view, I think that the katanas were back then when Vikings probably did not have full potential as they could have had.
Sorry for the confusion...
MrMaxen92 1 year ago
@MrMaxen92 But really, why would i think of the Scandinavian broadsword when it was in fact their type of battle axes that was mostly famous? At least the Double edged battle axe and the polearm type axe were excellent, but that is a completley different kind of weapon.
MrMaxen92 1 year ago
@MrMaxen92
The sword was also quite famous. When we look at the sagas we see tons of examples of swords being glorified to a near magical state. For a real-life example, we have "Quern-biter" of King Haakon I, which was supposedly able to cut right through a quern stone. This is likely hyperbole. We also have Frankish made swords were also particularly valued by the Muslims around the close of the Early era, causing the Frankish kings to close the sale of swords to Muslim lands.
Caliburnis 1 year ago
@MrMaxen92
Actually Scandinavian as with all archetypal early medieval germanic swords were folded like with katana. We have finds from Sweden, Norway, and Denmark of pattern welded viking era swords that are, yes, folded. The technique survives today in Finland.
Also, keep in mind folding is just a technique used to even out the distribution of elements, a technique completely unnecessary when you gain access to superior furnaces; explaining why Europeans stopped using it.
Caliburnis 1 year ago
@MrMaxen92
Also, in reference to your earlier post as well as this one, there are no "Viking" two handed swords. We literally have no archaeological finds of two handed Viking era swords. Two handed swords are primarily developments further south, in Germany, Italy, Spain, France, and England, in the very last years of the 12th century. We didn't see two handed swords becoming dominant until the late 14th century, however.
Caliburnis 1 year ago
@Caliburnis I never said that they were two handed swords, either, I only knew of the one handed ones, at least.
MrMaxen92 1 year ago
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@MrMaxen92
Well, you did actually;
" from my ancestors, let's say an two handed sword or an battle axe,"
Combined with; "I was actually thinking of Scandinavian type swords which, in fact, is not folded or done in any similar way like this. I had this point of view from the vikings,"
At the very least, you had the appearance of making that claim.
Regardless, there is no evidence for the superiority of katana over Western swords.
Caliburnis 1 year ago
Folks, now it's finally happened! A more objective comaprison made by Stefan Roth, a german experienced swordsmith and martial artist. Here it goes...
-- watch?v=qpEC38sL3iU
-- watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp_s
Sorry, Ian Bottomley, but yours ""perfectly capable of cutting through iron plates or even other sword plates without becoming damaged"" has turned out to be BULLSH*T. :((((((
Protherium 2 years ago 4
Maybe those sword's aren't made from tamahagne?
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@Protherium
Hmm...how about.....LINKING A VIDEO IN ENGLISH AND NOT FUCKING GERMAN!???
Almalexia88 1 year ago
@Almalexia88
Linguistic Anglo-centrism, huh?
Protherium 1 year ago
@Protherium yup
Almalexia88 1 year ago
@Protherium It will still have no trouble cutting off your fucking head now, would it?
pumamick 11 months ago
@pumamick
It will have some trouble. I'd displace this cut with my Type XVa longsword using the flat of my "strong" and stab my foe in the face. Or I'll execute a "Zwerchhau", deflecting katana blow and cutting opponent in the throat with the "back edge", all this in one single move.
I know, "katana will cut ur motha fukin longswoard in half". Oh RLY???
-- watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp_s#t=05m56s
-- watch?v=GpC4Q_nU4Ic
I dont think so.
Protherium 11 months ago
@Protherium When did I say it could cut a broadsword in half? It's a better stabbing weapon, and also a better Slashing weapon. Want proof? /watch?v=Ih7bmzFQ9rI&feature=related
pumamick 11 months ago
@pumamick
"When did I say it could cut a broadsword in half"
It's the most common argument of katanophiles around the world, I've heard it thousands of times.
"better stabbing weapon, and ... Slashing weapon.""
I disagree. Here you have one more valid testing done by an HEMA expert:
-- forums . swordforum . c o m /showthread . p h p ?t=83020
Ermey's semi-blunt too flexible blade is not anthentic by any means, also the thing they stabbed and bashed at. Type XVa "outstabs" katana with ease.
Protherium 11 months ago
@Protherium thanks for the nazi propaganda
colenbrak 6 months ago
@colenbrak You do realise racial equality was not nazi propaganda, right? He argued AGAINST supremacism.
Railstarfish 4 months ago
@Railstarfish thanks tips
colenbrak 4 months ago
@Protherium ther was nobody more experienced in sword smithery than the samurai themselves, . katana is legendary for hundreds of years and now some german punk says otherwise.. can u catch my drift on how stupid u sound
joelvis65 1 month ago
@joelvis65
The German guy says only that european swords were excellent and perfectly forged, which can be proven by numerous research papers. He didn't say "katana are crap". European swords are everywhere in movies and fantasy, but it's amazing how little mass media actually knows how they were made and used. Without proper information about swords of other cultures you simply can't claim japanese were best at forging.
Protherium 1 month ago
@Protherium the katana has a rich legacy and history to it, the fact that the samurai never changed its design and treated it as a religious artifact itself speaks volumes of its tensile strength and sturdiness in battle, by the way, it has been perfected over the years in such a way that its very shape speaks a ton about the speed and dexterity it can be used with compared to other swords, bdw im not debating that people CAN and WILL make a stronger sword cause they can..
joelvis65 1 month ago
@Protherium all im saying is when you mention the katana, show respect to its legacy, what it can accomplish and the people who have spent a lifetime mastering it to the best of their abilities. dont use terms like "bullshit".
joelvis65 1 month ago
@joelvis65
Agreed. But there 's a little condition bound on it - when people will show respect to the european sword's legacy??! Everyone feels free today to call Knights "dumb stinky barbarians", their swords "blunt clumsy hunks of shitty steel swung with brute strength" and their martial arts "non-existent". There is hardly an age or culture which is so heavily disrespected as european Middle Ages. I respect japanese culture, but also want my own culture be respected!
Protherium 1 month ago
@Protherium
""its very shape speaks a ton about the speed and dexterity it can be used with compared to other swords""
Right there... Everyone talks today only about "TeH KatAna", especially how it compares to other swords. But the truth is, almost no one, except HEMA guys and european sword afficionados, knows a thing about the european longsword, for instance. Mass media is full of shit, to say it right, full of "facts" based on movies, romantic novels and fantasy. Not science.
Protherium 1 month ago
@Protherium
It is not us, european sword afficionados, who start flamewars and "japan bashing", we just defend ourselves because of constant denigration of our heritage. The Longsword was truly one of the best sword designs ever made, proven by metallurgical research and historical sources, and I DONT WANT it to be treated by ignorant like a primitive iron club. I dont want to be told bunches of movie myths, sold as "historical truth"! ...Period....
Protherium 1 month ago
@Protherium the only reason why the japanese samurai and the katana are respected so greatly is they strove and were obsessed towards perfection and would stop at nothing unless they achieved it, the EARNED their respect this way. they also were religious which made them keep their composure, be calm and collected in battle, something which others like the knights wer incapable of, the knights, vikings n other warriors were all about fear and domination, tearing the other army apart.
joelvis65 1 month ago
@joelvis65
Check your PM.
Protherium 1 month ago
@Protherium
Somehow are two links from my PM lost.
-- watch?v=ln94E9AGYTc
-- watch?v=XpF0_mhMtfo
Protherium 1 month ago
Its treatment of Euro swordplay being about brute force is also wholly incorrect, as any study of western martial arts would show. European longsword techniques are very similar to katana, with the blade used both to block or "bind," and to attack. Calling any sword the "greatest" sword is idiotic, as different swords were designed for different circumstances.
Aminomo 2 years ago
Completely biased with its treatment of medieval swords. In the cutting comparison, the European sword is a single-hander, which cannot be compared to a two-handed katana. A proper comparison would be between a bastard sword of similar length and weight, of which plenty exist. Moreover, the documentary mentions that Euro swords were thrust-based, which is completely incorrect; there's many different designs of Euro swords, some designed for thrusting, some for cutting or slashing, or a balance.
Aminomo 2 years ago
I completely agree. Gladius and the german sax were primarily intended for thrusting, but spathae and all the swords (Oakeshott Types X-XII) were pure cutting designs.
Ian Bottomley (the old man in the vid) has surely read Petersen, Ewart Okaeshott and Ian Peirce. He just have to know it better.
Protherium 2 years ago
extremely suprior people
bentenren 2 years ago
European knights were no less professional. And their weapons not inferior to samurai weapons and equipment. Source: survived fighting manuals from the Late Middle Ages and Renaissance.
Unfortunately the popular stage sword combat invented in the 60-s within the "Renaissance Fairs" was regarded by many people as "true" - the movie makers of Hollywood made it then even worse. Al this has nothing to do with true european swordfighting schools, like the Liechtenauers "Kunst des Fechtens".
Protherium 2 years ago
why are you telling me this?
bentenren 2 years ago
I just want to say: "Don't believe the hype!" ©
Protherium 2 years ago 2
U kno, the iron/carbon/steel combination was not unique to the katana. Indeed, it was also used in europe, dating back to the vikings. The viking smithing ritual was very complex, but thats another story...
Grymbaldknight 2 years ago
Or spend some time learning some european arts and try to revive them, our nation is under an asian storm of arts, and european arts are deminishing...for gods sake the term martial art, though EUROPEAN in descent is tied now to asian arts...
EvangelionFan 2 years ago
i think every culture should revive there art. african, indian, native american, even greek
InfernoThunder 2 years ago
There is a REAL test, how "superior" the differently hardened slightly curved swords really are:
-- watch?v=QTv_xzav1Ls
Verdict: The steel pole is SUPERIOR to a katana! LOL
Protherium 2 years ago
I have to correct myself; type XIIIa ("Great sword", do not confuse with "bidenhaender") was never used for Liechtenauer-fencing. It was a pure battle sword. Sword types like XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII and XX were used by fencers in duels. Nevertheless, the Fechtbuch I.33 clearly shows us that even a one-hander with shield or buckler was a formidable and effective weapon.
Protherium 2 years ago
By the way; swords were always been regarded as a mystical weapon in Europe. Excellent blades were always a part of royal jewelleries. And getting a sword meant to become a noble man, or a knight. The point is; the sword died out as a battlefield weapon in the 16-th century in Europe, and was quickly forgotten. There are almost 500 years which separate us from "our samurai"! -_- And jap. samurai were wearing swords and fghting until the Meiji-restoration. Only 150 years. That's the point.
Protherium 2 years ago
Technicaly wrong, the sword was used into the civil war era of the united states, it wasnt until a hundred fifty or so years ago that europe and the americas stoped deploying their ranked soldiers with swords, more of a CERIMONIAL purpose there, but they still were deployed with them and yes were used. even todasy theyre handed to ranked officers though not used in battle anymore. TECHNICALY wrong, but your point has been proven.
EvangelionFan 2 years ago
Well technically, the last war that swords were officially used in was WWII, in the hands of Japanese officers. They used lower grade Katanas, but they still used them in combat, and killed with them if they could get close enough.
boettcherownzu 2 years ago
Yes yes I forgot about that XD thank you for bringing that up ^ ^
EvangelionFan 2 years ago
An authentic european Oakshott Type XIII sword's weight was about 2,6 lbs, it was used in combination with an effective fencing system (Liechtenauer-Tradition) and was as sharp as a razor blade - there is a lot of archaeological evidence! And it was surely not swung as a iron club, bashing the edges. His stabbing abilities were superior to any curved blade and versatility was one of the major strengths. A "perfect blade" for european warfare.
Protherium 2 years ago 2
2.6 lbs seems pretty light for a Type XIII to me; I've always thought of Type XIIIs as big, powerful war swords about 46-48 inches long and 3-3.5 lbs. Are you perhaps talking about a single-handed Type XIII sword? Otherwise, I agree completely with all of the points you've posted in this video's comment section.
emu4286 2 years ago
""To me the japanese sword is the ultimate sword in the world - it has everything a perfect weapon should have."" (0:46)
It is sad that people, who should know it better are supporting urban legends. There is no "best sword" as such! Swords were always designed for special purposes, and there are several applications where the katana is inferior to another swords. It was a excellent weapon for dueling against unarmored samurai during the EDO-Peroid, but not "perfect".
Protherium 2 years ago 6
it may have deemed perfect But yes, it was perfect in japan, deemed perfect in japan among the japanese in confliuct, i agree with you here greatly XD its just sad people dont want to break their binds of Japanese osession, you barely hear anything about european martial arts or weapons anymore....Martial art wasnt Derived from asian translations, Martial arts were referenced in 15th century liturature martial meaning From Mars Roman god of war, So it means arts of wars XD
EvangelionFan 2 years ago
@Protherium Yep, i agree with you. It a nice sword but if the mongols had managed to invade Japan and not got hit by the typhoon then they would have lost like they did the first time.
Rebelass74 1 year ago
@Protherium Even experts are allowed to give their opinions. His opinion is that the Japanese sword is perfect.
EnigmaHood 1 year ago
@Protherium its is the strongest blade the will hokld and edge better than any other sword
criminalmindgames 11 months ago
@criminalmindgames
Unfortunately there is no verfiable evidence that katana differs so much from other swords around the world. No videos where katana is cutting solid steel (as often claimed) without becoming damaged, no confirmed metallurgical deviations in japanese swords tested by scientists, no forging techniques completely unknown to the rest of the world. No sign of "superiority" at all.
Protherium 11 months ago
@Protherium lol wow
criminalmindgames 11 months ago
@Protherium why do you emphasis on EDO period? it's not like right now there are making better swords.
TheManGuyDude 11 months ago
@TheManGuyDude
In the 16th century Uchigatana (father of Katana, who descended from Tachi, the grandfather of Kat) was separated in Wakizashi and Katana, which were carried by all men who could pay one. Only in EDO-period katana was declared as "the soul of the samurai", peasants and soldiers carrying all sorts of unspecified swords were forbidden to possess any of them.
Katana as we see it in movies is a EDO-period sword. Do not confuse it with Tachi or Uchigatana.
Protherium 11 months ago
@Protherium why is it sad, nobody uses swords anymore.
who cares if they prefer the katana because of urban myths.
it's still one of the best swords around mostly because it is made with such precision and tradition that it's become more than just a sword. to me the katana is probably as close one can get to a perfect sword.
most other sword are mostly massproduced to facilitate war on a grand scale.
and most swords work only on unarmored people from it's time period.
mryannickgilbert 10 months ago
@mryannickgilbert
It is actually not about urban myths or popularity. People see myths in Hollywood movies, read them in popular media and really believe that Asians were kinda "superior" and European only dumb barbarians - after some time such views get finally accepted as the "historical truth", despite they have no historical roots!
What Hollywood and pop media finally create is called PSEUDOHISTORY!! And that's the real problem with "katana hype" and those countless myths.
Protherium 10 months ago
Katana is very popularized. Check out cossack's shashka. Single hand sword that in proper hands could cut through 20' tree like through butter
napal05 2 years ago
lol what
but the shashka looks cool too
NadirFire 2 years ago
??? you do not think that blade can cut 20 cm of wood?
napal05 2 years ago
You wrote 20 feet now 20cm, either way it's ridiculous for any sword. Go into the forest and put those lumberjacks out of work?
NadirFire 2 years ago
lol. I witnessed myself a cossack cutting through a birch tree, it was about 20 cm in diameter and cossack sliced it pretty easy
napal05 2 years ago
Trees don't hit back.
qqs764 2 years ago
They do in Lord of the Rings!!!
mrbeast85 2 years ago
My ancesters were samurai! I'm sad that old traditions are disappearing and everything is getting Americanized since the wwII.
wakabaw 2 years ago 5
i'm from india and i study kendo, i like the old japanese traditions better then the american fighting weapons
jaden3210 2 years ago 3
@wakabaw that is called globalization my friend.... the death of culture...
InFlames767 1 year ago
@wakabaw HIROSHIMA
Opamigaaa 1 year ago
@wakabaw そうか、あのね、あなたは日本人ですか
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO そう私の先祖は侍です。
wakabaw 1 year ago
@wakabaw すごい!
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@SilverGunZoO
なんか、すごい外人っぽい日本語
「あなた」とか、「わたし」とか、こういう主語の言葉はできるほど使わないでね。
Ecthelion008 1 year ago
@Ecthelion008 外人で、すだから、日本語で間違うです
ごめんね、まだ勉強します、でもがんばります、ありがとうございます!
SilverGunZoO 1 year ago
@wakabaw Do not regard traditions too highly. Traditions are entrapment of the mind of man to withhold it from progress.
hawasawayahawa 1 year ago
@wakabaw Im completly agree with you, Im feel lucky to has been practice Aikido by years, my Sensei learn with the oldsong of Morihei Ueshiba. Many people who practice "martial arts" think sadly that is just "figth". Grettings from Mexico.
kikearmenta 1 year ago
@wakabaw im ameican and i agree with you on that i love the samurai and japaness traditon
valad272 1 year ago
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Marine9210 3 years ago
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monsterkillazforever 3 years ago
Katana beats any weapon
ynaggo 3 years ago
What about a nuclear submarine?
dableutyef 3 years ago
EVEN THAT!
aaindahouse 3 years ago
in the book snow crash, a guy takes over a nuke sub with just a knife.....
TheeGrandmaster 3 years ago
That wasn't just "a guy," and he wasn't using "just a knife."
NewColdness 2 years ago
it was just a guy, yeah he was big, but alot of normal people are big.
Glass knife or not, its still just a knife
TheeGrandmaster 2 years ago 2
An samurai with katana lost to a Serb oficer from montenegro in Japanise-Russian war in 1905 in a duel :)
enlev1540 3 years ago
Well that's just a bad swordsman not a bad weapon. Tis not the gun that beats the sword but beats the swordsman.
Marine9210 3 years ago 3
Right you can have best weapon but that is not crucial in fight, as Njegoš said "battles are not fought by shiny weapons but by the harts of the heroes".
enlev1540 3 years ago
There were no Samurai in 1905, in fact, in 1905 there had been no Samurai for almost 30 years.
Omega52 2 years ago
There were their desendants just like in ww2 and today. They didnt erase samurai they just took thir right to rule ...
enlev1540 2 years ago
indeed. thanks mucho
Ojay72 3 years ago
hey man thanks for posting these
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hardcorevnf 4 years ago