I'm not a bible buff "yet" but I do believe that in one passage a person goes up to jesus and says "good teacher how may I receive the kingdom of god" (or something like that, its not important) what's important is what christ's response was, which was "keep the commandments" I think that is a good indication that jesus wants us to keep all the commandments of the old testament
@RomaZeal so do you sacrafice a cow ever time you sin? Didn't think so. I think the text you are refering to is Matthew 19:16-19 Jesus specifically states the commandments the man is to follow - don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery etc which shows as the speaker said that the laws that supercede the old testament and should be followed by everyone is repeated in the new testament.
Greg, very well put and important! It's disappointing that sooo many people (Christian and non) are confused about the distinction between the covenants. Thanks for the clear explanation of the distinction and application of the old covenant for Christians.
Great video! Right on target! I wish people would understand how to study Scripture. We'd have a lot less denominations ;) Blessings on your ministry.
Greg the OT wasn't just written for Jews only for goodness sake! It was written for Gadites, Benjamites, Asherites, etc.! In other words it was written for anyone that would listen! We can't qualify when verses like 2 Tim 2:16-17 say different. Greg doesn't seem to understand that there is no more Israel and God's relationship with them -- Jesus' ministry and death on the cross ended that! He also doesn't seem to understand that anyone willing to be circumcised were made part of God's covenant!
In fact this is quite extraordinary thinking! To enter into God New Covenant one must really understand how a gentile (non-Hebrew) entered into the Old! He had to accept the passover lamb and be circumcised. Just as we have to do today. We accept the Passover Lamb and have to have our hearts circumcised. The Israelites knew the difference between the Ten C's and the Mosaic because they were treated differently in the Tabernacle. One set in the Ark the other outside it as a witness against them.
Let's take eating pigs as an example. Pigs were never sanctified for food for any Hebrew or gentile by the word of God according to Lev. 11 and 1 Tim 4:4-5. Is Greg suggesting that God made Hebrew bodies different than gentile ones? Wouldn't that make God a respecter of persons? Since God made the human body (Hebrew/gentile makes no difference) as the designer and creator He knows what is best to fuel it. The presumptuous nature of Greg's logic here is simply astounding. The Bible is for all!
morals are subjective, period. there are NO objective morals at all, not one, not any, you christians are just insane, its that simple, there need be no argument, if you beleive the bible is true then you are crazy and are a discrace to the human species for not using that wonderful thing in between your head called a brain
I'm sorry but aside from the obvious mental gymnastics in what you're suggesting, it's awfully subjective. What keeps person A from judging the value and application of a particular Mosaic law differently from Person B?
Greg, I enjoyed this video, but I would like to have had a couple of examples given and explained in the same detail. I often hear these kinds of things brought up with regard to Christian inconsistency or cherry-picking, since we don't typically feel compelled by our faith to commit genocide, as the Jews & Old Testament God are so often accused of. Obviously, I believe God is the same, but the confusion still exists with the non-believer.
The first three verses of Genesis accurately express all known aspects of the Creation. Science expresses the Universe in terms of: Time, Space, Matter, and Energy. In Genesis chapter one we read, " In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (Space) and the Earth (Matter)...then God said, " Let there be light (Energy)."-- No other creation account agrees with the observable evidence-- (Genesis 1:1-3).
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew. Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.) There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.
@lamase24 ok! whens the following verse says ''man was not made for the sabbath'' what does that mean to you. I guess you havent taken hebrew 4 into context or the things paul instructs the gentiles to follow as far as ordinance
@YouAreIsrael do you have to eat certain foods for salvation or bow to the east 5 times do you have to go to church sat or sunday for salvation what must you do for salvation if you eat pork are you not saved if you think so you may belong to a local cult
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT - One doesn't have to do anything special for salvation other than accept the truth of Christ Jesus and the word of God! Bow 5 times to the east? See Ezekiel 8 and see how God feels about bowing to the east.
Isn't interesting how presumptuous Christians are when it comes to the word of God?!
Doesn't the Bible say for us to not lean on our own understanding but the on the word of God, for His thoughts are not of our thoughts? God is a God of order not disorder and If there was no purpose for laws I don't think he would have inspired Moses to give laws or have bothered to have wrote on the front and back of the table of stone the 10 commandments.
Through Hitler's own reflection, he thought what he was doing was right in his eyes...we start crossing lines w/o laws.
@ladyEulaelie Following the archaic laws of the Hebrews, and taking them out of their historical context would be foolish. There are many laws in the Bible that we could today consider abhorrent, many beyond even the acts of genocidal maniacs, such as Hitler. The stoning of disobedient children, killing family members that worship other gods, and stoning rape victims that don't scream loud enough are just some examples from Deuteronomy. Surely we can come up with a better system than that.
Moses's laws belong to Moses. God's law belongs to God. When the new and old covenant between God and his people are understood, and prophecy is understood, you will see that there is great injustice in throwing out the OT. When you think of the OT, it would be an oversight to think of laws of stoning kids and gays. The OT works in conjunction with the NT to help us to understand God's plan for us. W/ out the OT, Jesus death on the cross is not fully understood.
The OT and the NT make up the whole Bible. We are not to get wise and modern over God b/c we think we know better. The death of Jesus Christ on the cross did not do away with the OT but only with Moses's Laws.
We need the OT to prepare ourselves for the work set out for us to do for Jesus Christ.
1.The OT in conjunction with the NT answers and brings complete understanding to why we need Jesus and why we need his sacrifice....why we need to sacrifice or to accept the gift of the Lamb who was foretold to come in the OT.
2. I like how this is put..."he came by virgin birth so that he could be born under law and obey it perfectly for us in answer to Adam's disobedience and in fulfillment of genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 7:14. Since Adam was a man, it was necessary for Christ to be the same, sin being the exception." - Curtis I. Crenshaw (I don't know him, he just makes a good point).
3. The OT gives us the account of God's perfect law and the creation story.
4. The OT has significant prophecy that interlocks beautifully with Revelations. The books of Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel...these are major prophetic books that point out the future past the appearance of a coming saviour.
You are absolutely right, that God has provided for us a better system but this is not because we as men can come up with a better system than that of Moses. Biblical times surely are different but it is God who we lean on for understanding not we ourselves.
@ladyEulaelie But you've done nothing more than illustrate my original point. We use our minds to filter out what is for us and what was for them. Basically we are projecting our mind's conceptions of moral issues on the Bible, what we find barbaric is lost, what we think is still right is accepted. If this is not the case, what system do you use to filter through the laws? Seems like we could just use our minds to make our own morals, right?
Your argument is flawed in that you find no error in relying on your own wisdom to determine, from the Bible, what is and isn't acceptable to you based on your own thoughts and reflections.
To be a Bible believing Christian you must rely not on your standards and what you think is still right. God gave us the ability to think and reason but it is not meant for us to over run God's word for the sake of what we think.
@ladyEulaelie But logically there are only two options. You follow verbatim every command in the Bible, or use your mind to filter out the dated rules and follow the ones which are still ethically applicable. Things like the stoning of disobedient children are clearly not acceptable, so unless you've done that, you already do the latter. I'm not saying that the entire Bible should be tossed out, I'm simply saying if we disregard some laws, it's the same as making our own morality.
I understand where all the confusing is and it is very confusing indeed. My friend, if you understood the old covenant and the new covenant in the big picture of God's plan for us, you would see that it is not the OT that is done away with but Moses's Laws. Moses's Laws were not done away with b/c of "modern thinking", although man has gain knowledge, I do believe that man was as wise then as he could have been now. We don't pick and choose what is done away with...God does.
The only laws that are relevant for keeping is the royal law which is found in the OT & NT, not Moses's Law. Can we choose to twist Christian morals, which is founded in the royal law, sure, but we would be twisting the BIble to suit their desires, & God cures them that do this. Can ppl of today can take some principal's from Moses's laws? Sure, but we are not to smudge the royal law w/ Moses's law just b/c both are in the OT. The 10 commandments was never done away with.
I'm not a bible buff "yet" but I do believe that in one passage a person goes up to jesus and says "good teacher how may I receive the kingdom of god" (or something like that, its not important) what's important is what christ's response was, which was "keep the commandments" I think that is a good indication that jesus wants us to keep all the commandments of the old testament
RomaZeal 4 months ago
@RomaZeal so do you sacrafice a cow ever time you sin? Didn't think so. I think the text you are refering to is Matthew 19:16-19 Jesus specifically states the commandments the man is to follow - don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery etc which shows as the speaker said that the laws that supercede the old testament and should be followed by everyone is repeated in the new testament.
JudiM 1 month ago
Greg, very well put and important! It's disappointing that sooo many people (Christian and non) are confused about the distinction between the covenants. Thanks for the clear explanation of the distinction and application of the old covenant for Christians.
wufpackjack 8 months ago
Great video! Right on target! I wish people would understand how to study Scripture. We'd have a lot less denominations ;) Blessings on your ministry.
Hawgdawgrain 8 months ago 2
Greg the OT wasn't just written for Jews only for goodness sake! It was written for Gadites, Benjamites, Asherites, etc.! In other words it was written for anyone that would listen! We can't qualify when verses like 2 Tim 2:16-17 say different. Greg doesn't seem to understand that there is no more Israel and God's relationship with them -- Jesus' ministry and death on the cross ended that! He also doesn't seem to understand that anyone willing to be circumcised were made part of God's covenant!
YouAreIsrael 1 year ago
In fact this is quite extraordinary thinking! To enter into God New Covenant one must really understand how a gentile (non-Hebrew) entered into the Old! He had to accept the passover lamb and be circumcised. Just as we have to do today. We accept the Passover Lamb and have to have our hearts circumcised. The Israelites knew the difference between the Ten C's and the Mosaic because they were treated differently in the Tabernacle. One set in the Ark the other outside it as a witness against them.
YouAreIsrael 1 year ago
Let's take eating pigs as an example. Pigs were never sanctified for food for any Hebrew or gentile by the word of God according to Lev. 11 and 1 Tim 4:4-5. Is Greg suggesting that God made Hebrew bodies different than gentile ones? Wouldn't that make God a respecter of persons? Since God made the human body (Hebrew/gentile makes no difference) as the designer and creator He knows what is best to fuel it. The presumptuous nature of Greg's logic here is simply astounding. The Bible is for all!
YouAreIsrael 1 year ago
It's amazing how religious people twist themselves into knots to avoid doing what their own holy books tell them to do.
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morals are subjective, period. there are NO objective morals at all, not one, not any, you christians are just insane, its that simple, there need be no argument, if you beleive the bible is true then you are crazy and are a discrace to the human species for not using that wonderful thing in between your head called a brain
blazereef 1 year ago
I'm sorry but aside from the obvious mental gymnastics in what you're suggesting, it's awfully subjective. What keeps person A from judging the value and application of a particular Mosaic law differently from Person B?
speerdali 1 year ago
You'd think god could do better than cell phones.
STFUNOWlol 1 year ago
Greg, I enjoyed this video, but I would like to have had a couple of examples given and explained in the same detail. I often hear these kinds of things brought up with regard to Christian inconsistency or cherry-picking, since we don't typically feel compelled by our faith to commit genocide, as the Jews & Old Testament God are so often accused of. Obviously, I believe God is the same, but the confusion still exists with the non-believer.
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The first three verses of Genesis accurately express all known aspects of the Creation. Science expresses the Universe in terms of: Time, Space, Matter, and Energy. In Genesis chapter one we read, " In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (Space) and the Earth (Matter)...then God said, " Let there be light (Energy)."-- No other creation account agrees with the observable evidence-- (Genesis 1:1-3).
shotsxxx 1 year ago
I agree with much of what Dr. Koukl said but when he talks about the 10 commandments (not suggestions); alas, 9 laws of the 10? Why not 10 out of 10.
lamase24 1 year ago 2
@lamase24
I completely agree with you.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@lamase24 because gentiles dont have to keep the sabbath
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
The Sabbath instituted at Creation is for everyone, just like Marriage. They are both sanctified.
lamase24 1 year ago
@lamase24 read Hebrews 4
only christ jesus can give you rest
Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made FOR MAN, and NOT MAN for the sabbath:
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew. Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.) There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.
lamase24 1 year ago
@lamase24 ok! whens the following verse says ''man was not made for the sabbath'' what does that mean to you. I guess you havent taken hebrew 4 into context or the things paul instructs the gentiles to follow as far as ordinance
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT - Where does Heb 4 remove the blessing and sanctification of the sabbath?
YouAreIsrael 1 year ago
@YouAreIsrael do you have to eat certain foods for salvation or bow to the east 5 times do you have to go to church sat or sunday for salvation what must you do for salvation if you eat pork are you not saved if you think so you may belong to a local cult
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT - One doesn't have to do anything special for salvation other than accept the truth of Christ Jesus and the word of God! Bow 5 times to the east? See Ezekiel 8 and see how God feels about bowing to the east.
Isn't interesting how presumptuous Christians are when it comes to the word of God?!
YouAreIsrael 1 year ago
@lamase24
Amen!
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT - Who said?
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
They didn't say preach to us on SUNday they waited until the next sabbath.
YouAreIsrael 1 year ago
I feel like you are going through an unnecessary step to figure out what is morally right and what is not. Let me see if I get this right:
1. Mosaic law was a contract that was binding to the Hebrew people, but contains some aspects which God wants to be universal.
2. Those aspects are primarily discerned through reflection on what seems right and wrong.
Couldn't you just say that what is right and wrong should be discerned through one's reflection?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
Doesn't the Bible say for us to not lean on our own understanding but the on the word of God, for His thoughts are not of our thoughts? God is a God of order not disorder and If there was no purpose for laws I don't think he would have inspired Moses to give laws or have bothered to have wrote on the front and back of the table of stone the 10 commandments.
Through Hitler's own reflection, he thought what he was doing was right in his eyes...we start crossing lines w/o laws.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Following the archaic laws of the Hebrews, and taking them out of their historical context would be foolish. There are many laws in the Bible that we could today consider abhorrent, many beyond even the acts of genocidal maniacs, such as Hitler. The stoning of disobedient children, killing family members that worship other gods, and stoning rape victims that don't scream loud enough are just some examples from Deuteronomy. Surely we can come up with a better system than that.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
Moses's laws belong to Moses. God's law belongs to God. When the new and old covenant between God and his people are understood, and prophecy is understood, you will see that there is great injustice in throwing out the OT. When you think of the OT, it would be an oversight to think of laws of stoning kids and gays. The OT works in conjunction with the NT to help us to understand God's plan for us. W/ out the OT, Jesus death on the cross is not fully understood.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
The OT and the NT make up the whole Bible. We are not to get wise and modern over God b/c we think we know better. The death of Jesus Christ on the cross did not do away with the OT but only with Moses's Laws.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
We need the OT to prepare ourselves for the work set out for us to do for Jesus Christ.
1.The OT in conjunction with the NT answers and brings complete understanding to why we need Jesus and why we need his sacrifice....why we need to sacrifice or to accept the gift of the Lamb who was foretold to come in the OT.
cont..
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
2. I like how this is put..."he came by virgin birth so that he could be born under law and obey it perfectly for us in answer to Adam's disobedience and in fulfillment of genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 7:14. Since Adam was a man, it was necessary for Christ to be the same, sin being the exception." - Curtis I. Crenshaw (I don't know him, he just makes a good point).
3. The OT gives us the account of God's perfect law and the creation story.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
4. The OT has significant prophecy that interlocks beautifully with Revelations. The books of Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel...these are major prophetic books that point out the future past the appearance of a coming saviour.
You are absolutely right, that God has provided for us a better system but this is not because we as men can come up with a better system than that of Moses. Biblical times surely are different but it is God who we lean on for understanding not we ourselves.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But you've done nothing more than illustrate my original point. We use our minds to filter out what is for us and what was for them. Basically we are projecting our mind's conceptions of moral issues on the Bible, what we find barbaric is lost, what we think is still right is accepted. If this is not the case, what system do you use to filter through the laws? Seems like we could just use our minds to make our own morals, right?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
Your argument is flawed in that you find no error in relying on your own wisdom to determine, from the Bible, what is and isn't acceptable to you based on your own thoughts and reflections.
To be a Bible believing Christian you must rely not on your standards and what you think is still right. God gave us the ability to think and reason but it is not meant for us to over run God's word for the sake of what we think.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie But logically there are only two options. You follow verbatim every command in the Bible, or use your mind to filter out the dated rules and follow the ones which are still ethically applicable. Things like the stoning of disobedient children are clearly not acceptable, so unless you've done that, you already do the latter. I'm not saying that the entire Bible should be tossed out, I'm simply saying if we disregard some laws, it's the same as making our own morality.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
I understand where all the confusing is and it is very confusing indeed. My friend, if you understood the old covenant and the new covenant in the big picture of God's plan for us, you would see that it is not the OT that is done away with but Moses's Laws. Moses's Laws were not done away with b/c of "modern thinking", although man has gain knowledge, I do believe that man was as wise then as he could have been now. We don't pick and choose what is done away with...God does.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
The only laws that are relevant for keeping is the royal law which is found in the OT & NT, not Moses's Law. Can we choose to twist Christian morals, which is founded in the royal law, sure, but we would be twisting the BIble to suit their desires, & God cures them that do this. Can ppl of today can take some principal's from Moses's laws? Sure, but we are not to smudge the royal law w/ Moses's law just b/c both are in the OT. The 10 commandments was never done away with.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago