Thank you Keith for standing up for our rights. Of course a judge has struck it down but we are awaiting the results from the appeal. This is the next civil rights battle. Obama just signed the end of DADT so things are looking up.
3)Those good people who voted for Prop 8 want to keep the LGBT Community out of Hell by discouraging them from getting married.
4)Have you seen what the has happened to the LGBT Community?Fire and Brimstone aside,what about the Hell the LGBT Community experiences on Earth right now?Murderous Homophobic Monsters who calim to come in the name of God,or those who kill Gay and Lesbians just for fun or?......,,,
KO is desperately trying to win an emmy to save his piece of crap show. And what better way to do it than tugging at the heart strings of the poor picked on gay community. "This is about the human heart", eeeasy stomach. KO's phony baloney delivery was so transparent that I could hardly see his feigned expressions of deep compassion, or maybe it was due to my throwing up. I need some KOpectate.
Olbermann wants gay marriage for one reason: to be able to marry the guy with the biggest cock at MSNBC and that is Rachel Maddow. This two freaks are made for each other, I put them in a unique category,: the "SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABORTIONS" category.
Keith is not gay but he is a sexual degenerate that's hung like a light switch (his ex-girlfriends words)
This issue at stake here is sates rights and the US Constitution. As you lib morons may recall the 10th amendment delegates all issues not covered by the US Constitution should be made by the individual States and the PEOPLE. Since the US Constitution makes no mention of marriage, and the California Legislature failed to act, the PEOPLE of the state made the decision for them.
The idea that this is a civil rights issue is nothing but the opinion of you and those on your side. No Constitutional law nor statute supports your opinion. By your logic, I could claim that it is my civil right to marry 50 women. Well what is your argument against such a claim? That the law says I can't? The law says the same thing about same-sex couples, yet you think that must be changed. Or maybe you have some moral argument to make. Well isn't that what our side does in this case?
The penultimate moral argument is always God. He does not teach hate; quite the opposite!
Moreover, Homosexuality is NOT mentioned in the Commandments, nor did Christ - who is God(!) say 1 word in condemnation of gays. It is high time that the hypocrites who dare to claim "authority" via misuse of Jesus as their corporate logo...obey Him!
And love their gay brothers & sisters - stop persecuting them - and NOT interfere in their full civil rights!
I can't wait for one of your kids to come out to you and say, "I'm Gay". Well maybe not. you will repress this in your children and they will live closeted miserable lives.
I think olberman is a remarkable man..I am heterosexual with no gay inclinations at all and i completely agree..Why do you people care? do they do it in your bed? do they do it in your garden and mess up your lawn?What do you care? are they trying to do you up the ass willy nilly? JUST LET THEM BE...what is it with the hatred? good....evil.....who are you to decide?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a tool! Olbie, I'm sorry if this is confusing to you but people of conscience are bound not to call what is evil good. The Gay Marriage crowd wanted a vote and a vote they got. Crying about the result is hardly American, but it is very much you and your ilk.
Why do I care, Keith? I am standing up to those who intend to intentionally desecrate God's union of a man and a woman. To desecrate, IS their TRUE agenda. "Marriage" is Biblical. Gays don't seek to be Biblically righteous. Then, why do they want to be "married"? They can have the same rights without being "married". They feel shame of what the Bible says, so intend to undermine it. God's laws founded America, no matter how much you and the other seculars despise the fact.
The first amendment of the United States is separation of Church and State.
I am a devoted Catholic and I respect that. Prop 8, took away the rights of families because the basis of marriage is to create a family. And families should always be protected no matter what the orientation of the two parents.
The existence of gays - of them living & cohabitating neither restricts your rights, nor is it any of your business.
To infer that all gay ppl are in some way 'auto-damned' is both insane & the doctine of hell itself - NOT of Christ!
It may well surprise you that MANY gay ppl will make it to heaven.
The teachings of Christ are based upon love & charity - putting other before self. Of not daring to pre-judge the souls of others, as that is God's business....
I never said it was my business. I'm not arguing to prevent them from being gay in the privacy of their own homes. I'm arguing to prevent ANYONE from redefining a public institution to fit an immoral relationship type. And in reality, we are all auto-damned unless we have accepted Christ as our Lord and savior. The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven just as easily as any other sin. Therefore, yes gay people who are saved will go to Heaven, where they will be straight and without sin.
Amusing that you would mention Christ's teachings in this debate, since what Jesus taught refutes your stance completely. And I am not just using my own opinion here. I have based my opinion on what Jesus stated regarding the issue of marriage, which is:
Matthew 19:4-6 "...he which made them at the beginning made them male and female...
For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife...
...What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
Try reading that in context: Jesus is speaking in condemnation of Divorce....something of which a VERY high percentage of Catholics are guilty of.......
The Catholic religion is a cult. So there's no use in discussing it. Jesus was speaking out against divorce, but that doesn't negate what he clearly said about what marriage IS. He was telling us how marriage should be. Divorce should not enter the picture and same-sex unions should not enter the picture.
1. The Bible clearly says that it is, even up to the book of Romans.
2. Neither are acts of pedophilia or bestiality. What's your point?
Divorce among Evangelicals is as high as among Catholics.......and, regardless of the utter failure of the Catholic hierarchy to properly transmit what Jesus taught, the religion is NOT a cult.
There are perhaps 6 references to gay sex - all of which are mainly aimed at male prostitution/concubines. Never does Scripture - nor did Christ - say anything in condemnation of same sex love, unions, or co-habitation.
I doubt that, but the divorce rates are irrelevant since the teaching cannot be judged on the actions of those who claim to follow them.
The Catholic religion is indeed a cult, since it began as Christianity and was hijacked and altered many times since Constantine, and is based on man-made dogmas authorized by the Vatican. A "Christian" faith that does not transmit what Jesus taught is not of Christ and is therefore a cult by definition.
The obscene Divorce rates of Catholics & Evangelicals are quite germane - as these are the hypocrites condemning Gays for being Gay.
The core teaching of the Catholic faith IS congruent with the Gospel & the words of Christ. Though you may have to dig to find it, yet it is there & very true.
The Vatican organization should NOT be confused with the Catholic Faith. History shows that they greatly diverge.......
As for your misinterpretation, the Bible speaks out against prostitution, adultry, and fornication DIRECTLY. So why would it only be subtlely referring to those things when speaking out against homosexuality? No no, it speaks out against homosexuality directly, as is the case with effeminecy. And there is nothing wrong with same-sex love, but it is when it crosses the line into the romantic, physical, or sexual that it is not love but rather lust, and that is when it is wrong.
Most sins are not mentioned in the commandments, but they are still sins. A sin is anything that is against God or His will. His will, as stated by Jesus, is that marriage be between 1 man and 1 woman. It is also God's will that sex take place only between a man and woman who are married to each other. Anything against that is sin, and the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin.
Honor thy father and thy mother means to honor them personally and honor the family structure.
Nowhere in the Bible does it state that to be a homosexual is a sin. Gay sex acts, of themselves, have no religious consequence.
Honor they father, etc. has NOTHING to do with the conception of marriage, homosexuality, or the 'family structure'. Nor does it mandate blind, servile obedience - or the kids are the 'property of the parents'!
Too many so called "Xtians" have used that to justify child abuse!
Actually, Chris Cringle was a real human being who once lived, and he made toys in his shop all year long for the kids of the village. He would then go around to each house on Christmas Eve and leave a toy in each child's pair of shoes. That's where the story of Santa Claus comes from.
Jesus Christ also lived a long time ago and was crusified. This is historical fact as well. The difference is that Jesus rose from the grave because he is the son of God, and he died for our sins.
Incorrect, on both counts. Kris Kringle was not a historical figure, and there isn't evidence he ever existed. St. Nicholas is the guy that some believe Santa Claus is based off of. He was known as a gift giver, but not in fashion you explain.
There's a good chance that man named Jesus existed, but absolutely no historical evidence that he was in fact the son of God, or that he rose from the dead.
Jesus failed to condemn many different sins. This is mainly because he did not come to condemn the world, but that through him it might be saved. That does not mean the things he did not talk about weren't sins. His statements about what marriage is supposed to be are clear examples that God wants marriage to be a union of 1 man and 1 woman. This can also be applied to sexual relationships in general. God created them male and female. What God hath joined together let not man put asunder.
The point is that he did not speak out many against other sins, but that does not mean they weren't sins.
His statements about marriage are not just about divorce, adultry, and fornication. They are also about what marriage is supposed to be in God's eyes. He stated quite clearly that marriage is a 1 man 1 woman union that no one should try to destroy. So if you argue in favor of anything other than preserving marriage as a 1 man 1 woman union, then you are in direct violation of God's will.
Christ teaches us to love thy neighbor as thyself. I follow this to the letter by rejecting same-sex marriage and opposing homosexuality, both of which are harmful to those who engage in them.
And as I already said, sexuality is mentioned in the commandments. Honor thy father and thy mother makes it clear that the 1 man 1 woman union is the relationship type that should be honored.
Jesus did not condemn any person regardless of their sin because Jesus was sent to save them from their sins.
Well then why don't you enlighten me? What did Jesus say and what did he mean?
And lets say that some people stand for traditional marriage yet end up getting divorced or have divorced in the past. How does that disqualify their stance on what marriage should be? That's a case of flawed human beings striving for a better situation. Why should we make marriage less than what it is simply because some people fail to live up to a higher standard? If we make it less then there will be no standard.
The push for same sex "marriage" IS about redefining marriage. For tho like Olbermann stated, discriminatory laws were/are in place about who could marry who, or when, or how many, none of these changed the DEFINITION of marriage. The definition of marriage has ALWAYS been the union between man/ woman.
There has been no discrimination for homosexuals, they have always been allowed to marry, and many have. But to say we should allow men to marry men or women/women IS redefining marriage
The error in thinking here is that marriage is about love.
It isn't.
It isn't about love, and the fact that we think it is accounts for the high divorce rates. Don't get me wrong, love helps a lot. But most couples over the history of time married not in love
No, marriage isn't about love.
But it is about the union of man and woman, not necessarily one each even, but still -
man and woman.
It has a purpose which same sex couples cannot provide no matter how much they love each other.
Bravo Olbermann, Bravo. I haven't heard it better put yet. Religion is stupid, period, and until we can rid of it as a species, we will never be free.
If you are being denied freedom and happiness by a government that only wants to control you by not allowing you to marry than you are simply a slave to the system. Your freedom and happiness should not be a result of actions of the government.
Disagreeing with same sex marriages is not one of prejudice. Prejudice comes from irrational or inaccurate opinions. If, in my convictions, I feel as though this union violates the sanctity of marriage based upon my morals and ethics, how can this be prejudice?
pulse, as a woman, where is my freedom and happiness in being a father? Why am I denied this right?
Yes, it is ridiculous. But my point is that marriage is just as dependent on the sex of the people who enter it. The union between a man and a woman is very different the the union between two men which is very different then the union between two women. The ingredients are different, the product is different. To call the product the same will never grant true equality to gay or lesbian couples
Opinions are opinions, midnite. To give a name to something that you yourself are not even invovled in, isn't equal. It isn't just and it is discrimination. That is MY opinion. I however, respect what you're saying.
There is no sin or shame in 2 men or 2 women loving each other and agreeing to be part of each other for life. However, the stigma is in the sodomy and the openess of it. I am quite sure that if there were only gay women in the world, noone would have a problem with it, especially the elite that run the world.
lefreb " am quite sure that if there were only gay women in the world, noone would have a problem with it"
I disagree with this statement. I think it is too generalized. My understanding from the religious right is that at least THEY would have a problem with it. Not so much of them wanting to be part of each other for life, as their belief in their ability to be so
I think that most people don't understand the moral issue here, that being sodomy. Sodomy (anal sex) is sodomy regardless of sex and I don't know of any moral, ethic or religious conviction that condones it. Yes, I know 2 women may not engage in sodomy,but unfortunately they fall into the same stigma.
grow up. seriously. put down the harry potter books (yea that's right, everyone knows you still read them) and pick up the newspaper. go outside, get some fresh air, and be happy. seriously. or nobody will listen to you and nobody will care about you even one tenth as much as people care about gays they don't even know.
wow this is amazing. (in the good way) he said what needed to be said.
if some people think "oh well god didn't want people to be gay its a sin" then why did god make them gay? and if they say "well come on god didn't make them gay they were born gay" well then they obviously were meant to be. stop hating and let people love. god doesn't want us all to hate. or whoever you believe in if you do. just stop being a hater. spread the love.
I couldnt agree w/ Olbermann more. This is why I HATE religion its supposed to be about love & equality yet it denies people certain basic human rights becuz their god of choice finds it to be wrong. Religion is so silly & contradictory its ridicolous yet absolutely horrifying that it has so much power. Its also equally horrifying that we would leave such a civil matter up to the majority vote. I am not gay, but if u support prop 8 FUCK U and please try to open your closed simple little minds ty
I think the breakdown was the reference to the terms 'perverted' and 'lust'.
The thing is, what you see as being right (in the name of your god) is sometimes in stark contrast to what some people truly feel as right.
Both parties are right in accordance to their beliefs, the goal is to co-exist in harmony with difference and keep common law separate to personal beliefs.
One can marry under god or law - the term is insignificant but the status recognisable.
Olbermann doesn't understand God's law. God allows men and women to marry, and blacks and whites to do the same. God doesn't want gays to marry. Race and homosexuality are two totally different things. Gays were never reduced to property; blacks were. Gays were never sold at a slave market; blacks were.
Olbermann needs to understand that not all denials of marriage are the same. Is he going to support polygamy next? I'll bet he would.
Stop prefacing your statements with the words "I am not gay". Just get out of the closet and spread your happiness. Get rid of that winter home in southern California if they won't recognise your marriage.
It's crazy how opponents of gay marriage in California bought ads claiming kids would be taught gayness in schools, when everyone knows kids don't get taught anything in California schools. LOL
anyone who voted yes on prop 8 is an idiot and a bigot---so, congratulations, take your place of shame in history. If you can't understand a simple concept such as equality, then you really are a waste of space on this planet.
If you really can't treat others as you would want to be treated---then you are simply garbage. Useless garbage.
I don't see why we should have to tolerate consequences of gay marriage like forcing the kids to learn about it in school and accusing someone who works at a wedding who refuses to support a gay marriage in any way be charged for committing a hate crime. Gays can still have their own wedding like ceremonies. If the government needs to say that what they are doing is ok, then I think that it is fair to say that they just want to have everybody say that homosexuality is ok.
Redefining marriage DOES have an effect on the teaching in schools, and it does have an effect in the workforce. Should someone who works at the wedding, like a photographer, be charged for committing a hate crime because he did not take pictures? Should kids be forced to learn about it in schools? Should gays have a right to demand more additional rights? I don't care about anybody's lifestyle, I just don't want me and others to be called a bigot for just not supporting the lifestyle.
Ugh. Listening to that whole sentimental and emotionally charged rant was like getting my urotten teeth pulled. Gays already have the same rights as everyone else people! Just don't make me call it marriage cuz it's not!
Well then don't call YOUR marriage a marriage because I believe it's not! I believe marriage is between two loving people who share love for everyone else, and YOU do not fit that mold.
Olberman, buddy, you don't know squat about freedom. Your definition of freedom is to make sure that people become liberal and to bash the conservatives. Dude, you don't give a flying crap about religious freedom and the effects it has on society. You have some liberal agenda in you. Stop trying to push it on us!
What part of 'religious freedom' means that the religious are free to force the country to follow their religious rules without question? Women being allowed to legally show their faces must be an attack on the religions that say that women must cover their faces with black cloth. Keep church and state separate. OR, put the rules of EVERY religion into federal law. Your choice. Ban on pork anyone? Ban on free speech vs saying the lord's name in vain? Jail time for sex before marriage?
Gay's do nothing but confuse children. Don't show your "love" in public. Give children a chance at a normal life. If they figure out they like the same sex, then let it happen. If you cannot honor young children, you do not deserve to live.
I took a federal job for about 5 years. One of the first questions I was asked was "Have you ever been involved in a gay bashing?" My reply was "no". I'll never forget that and to this day I don't really understand the point of that question.
Exactly. You can tell that he's just acting... poorly. He missed some of the cues while trying to read the teleprompter.
That's why this idiot has little ratings. He's a fake who lies about issues and only has on guests who agree with him and support his backward worldview.
This issue isn't about the human heart. It's about the meaning of marriage and the future of American's morality. Gays didn't want monogomy or equal rights. They wanted to use marriage to justify their own deathstyle.
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Race means nothing. Men marry women Gays are not a new race they are people with messed up values and love relationships. Keith Oberman what a farce and mixed up person. Wah wah wah poor Keith doesn't have a clue.
I would be careful who you judge...thats is not your role....You will be judged according to your acceptance of your fellow human (your own God's creation) and if you truly believe what you say, Only God has the right to judge so therefore you are trying to play God by judging others. Leave it to St Peter.
And if I was your God, I would give you a good spanking for trying to be something you are not.
Unfortunately your name stands out to me now considering our previous epic dialogue.
I've listened to Keiths crap on TV. He gives an impassioned cry for an immoral and perverted and twisted cause where gay political activists spread lies and perversion and ask everyone to accept them as normal. You are the one who should be ashamed to cause God and your ancestors such grief. The GLBT movement originates from hell and goes against all decency and true family values. Learn the truth. I hate no one only the lies which keep people in bondage to sin and evil.
You and Keith Oberland represent the god of this world, the fallen angel Lucifer. When you understand God's heart about marriage and male and female you will understand the love and saddness God has for his lost and confused children. When you understand spiritual possession you'll be wise.
When we agree with God then we'll be wise. God made adam and eve not adam and steve. We must learn to love the way God made us to love and overcome the emotional problems and spiritual problems that satan introduced into humanity.
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this is onedropp's friend
What about a 14 year old boy and a 47 year old man who are in "love". Would you extinguish their love too and deny them the right to express their love through marriage?
Marriage might not be so sacred today but that doesn't change the fact that every child deserves the right to be raised by a female mother and a male father. (sperm and egg) Every homosexual person has a male father and a female mother; why should they deny that right to other children?
"What about a 14 year old boy and a 47" Are you for real? What has pedophilia to do with homosexuality? Oh you mean it is ok if the 14 old boy was a girl, i see!
"every child deserves the right to be raised by a female mother and a male father."
What? Are you insane? What if my parents are complete assholes. NO! The child's right should be above all to be fostered by a LOVING and CARING family, how could it be otherwise?
Two homosexuals of the same gender do not and cannot make a family.
Also, onedropp's friend's point was that the same argument for same-sex marriage could easily be applied to intergenerational marriages. If love is free and everyone has a right to marry in whatever way they want to, then kids would be allowed to marry adults. Family members with other family members. More than two people. Etc.
Same-sex marriage would have opened the door to all of those other things.
I didn't see any mention of pedephelia in a marraige propsal or ceremony.
As far as pedaphelia and other obvious actions of inhumanity, well that's common sence and I question yours for thinking of such things..it actually never entered my mind, but then again, I don't think that way.
Do you?
I think same sex marraiges would have opened the door only to same sex marraiges, everything else is part of your personal delusion.
Same sex marriage opens the door to teach it in schools as a normal alturnative to marriage and disreguards the majority of people who feel it is unnatural and immoral. Our forefathers warned against sodomy and other unnatural acts by people who are morally and spiritually compromised.
You told me that if you were my god you would spank me. Evil is wanting to mutilate your body and change who you were born to be. Evil is being untrue to God and humanity by being immoral and disrespectful to God and nature. Lucifer has deceived us all into thinking we can do whatever we want with no conscequences. I never wanted to nuke anyone like you said you wanted to, thousands of times. I never wanted to kill anyone like you said you used to. I only want to help you understand.
The court ruled that the state constitution provides people the right to marry the person of one's choice. That would include children as well, seeing as how children are people too. That redefinition would have allowed other groups to get marriage redefined to fit their relationship type. After all, denying marriage to children is discrimination based on age, and it is considered to be prejudice bigotry to those who practice it. So what would your legal argument against it be?
If you're a man you can marry a woman of your choice. If you're a woman you can marry a man of your choice. Hopefully you will be mature and loving and live for the sake of your family and think of what you have to give to the other person. And not be selfcentered and always wanting the other to love me, love me like a little child.
What did your parents teach you was right? Or did they?
I was making an argument against same-sex marriage by showing that a slippery slope exists in the act of redefining marriage to fit an abnormal relationship type such as same-sex relationships.
Really?? I thought that you guys already did that with repressing homosexuality, women's rights, humanity by allowing slavery. That was the start of the downward slide into depravity.
You guys just don't know the power of freedom from ridicule and self hate. It is enough to make one turn off from traditional preachings and look for another way that is inclusive for all.
BTW if you don't want children to marry, do what Aust does and make it illegal...duh...16 min here...too easy.
The Bible does not repress women's rights and it does not allow for slavery. It set rules up that would lead to the gradual abolishon of slavery. Furthermore, Christianity has been practiced for centuries and yet there was no downward slide into depravity. In fact, it lead to the founding of the U.S.A. as well as the rise of the U.S. as the most powerful and advanced nation on Earth. The downward slide into depravity started with the hippie movement, which rejected Christian teachings.
No, what lead to the founding on the U.S.A. was a longing for freedom of religion and the desire to have a government that truly represents the people of the nation. The English King had nothing to do with it. You have no clue as far as history goes. The British wanted to conquer America after it had been founded, but Americans repelled them.
The Civil War was fought between Christians in the north and non-Christian segregationists in the south.
Excuse me but it was the English that founded America, America just didn;t happen. The civil war was to take power from the English so you could be your own counrty with your leader and not the King as your leader.
There were many Christians amongst the fight in the south. The fight was a CIVIL war dude, not a religious war.
Believe me, Catholics are not the only ones that harbour pedophiles and Catholic is where your faith comes which was split by the English King to become your faith.
The Bible tells husbands to give their lives for their wives, and it also clearly states that marriage is a one man one woman union before God. The Bible also set rules to lead to the gradual abolishon of slavery through various laws. This was because society was based on slavery back then, and it abolish it all at once would have lead to a great civil war, similar to how it did in America.
And no, pedophiles are not rampent in my faith, which is NOT Catholic BTW.
The Catholic church issue was a terrible one that the vatican tried to atone for by driving out those who did commit those horrible crimes as well as give thousands of dollars to the families who were victims of those crimes, however the truth of the matter is that the molestations in the Catholic churches are nothing compared to the molestations in the public schools by teachers. You know, the secular public schools?
There's only one type of Christianity; one that's about salvation from sin.
Bush is not illiterate, just spineless and foolish. We got him because this country has turned so far away from its Christian foundations. But Bush is far better than any other leader of any other country.
Repression of evil leads to enlightenment. Forgiveness for sin leads to eternal life. Lying to a gay person and telling them that they are not sinning by engaging in homosexual acts is not Christianity nor love. It is placing a stumbling block before them so that they fall deeper into sin.
Christianity is 200 yrs old, Muslim is 1000 years old and other cultures are over 5-10,000 yrs old, your country is not even 400 yrs old mine is 250 yrs old.
The original faith by all people was Pagan. But how can I converse with a person who rejects history for the word of a book comprised of many different people all at odds with another.
Sorry but your words are one eyed and lack historic value.
No, you are brainwashed and ignorant of history. Christianity is 2,000 years old, true, but Christianity is built upon Jewish teaching that is the Old Testament, which dates back to at least 6,000 years. The original faith was that of the Jews. Peganism came much later as a rejection of God's law.
And for a book that you consider unremarkable, it sure has lasted a long time. In fact, it is the longest surviving book in all of human history. Why is that? God's power perhaps?
What's your point? I said Paganism came about as the rejection of God, who said you shall have no other gods before Me. I never said Paganism did not have gods.
You are getting confused about what I really said. I said nothing of the sort. I said Paganism came about through the rejection of God's law. That doesn't mean Pagans who have not heard God's law have rejected God's law. I am talking about the origin of Paganism.
There is only one Christian faith, and that is in Jesus Christ.
I am saying that a rejection of something is always based on something. If 1 never knew of your god at all and were of a pagan belief, how then did they reject something they didn't know of?
Just because whita man could not grasp anything other than 1 god, they went about killing anyone who would not convert and includes all those that follow Jesus as well as those that follow Mary and Child and then there is trinity.
Origin of paganism was 1st, then came christianity.
I never said those who did not hear God's word rejected God's law. I said that Paganism itself originated from those who rejected God's law, as God's law came first.
Adam and Eve were the first two people on Earth. Their knowledge of God's law made God's law the first faith on Earth. Paganism came after God's law.
Your statement's credentials are no better than chineese whispers as no documants exist. You are relying on the 'law' to be told in it's purest form from generation to generation.
To believe the bible as a documant is delusional as human nature proves it would have been adulerated by the time it was documented.
It can't be altered because it is God's word. He would not allow His word to perish or be distorted to the point where His word does not exist in this world anymore. The King James Version is nearly 100% accurate in wording and 100% accurate in meaning. Other versions are bastardized versions meant to attack the word of God, yet His word lives on.
They didn't base that Bible verse on Egyptian discovery. It was God's word that told them the world was round.
Well, just so you know, The church of England and its many sects is based on supreme power. It was worded in such a way due to split Where royalty wanted to be next to god and not the Pope.
In Fact Elizabeth I cemented the schism by throwing out articles 39-42 due to cathiloc influence.
Your religion is already adulterated in origin and yet you say it is the word of God and pure.
Ah you're full of it. The civilization described in the Bible also dates back to 15,000 B.C.
Actually Jesus told us not to judge when we are mired in sin ourselves. He said to get our souls right before helping others to do the same. Also, I am not judging anyone. Pointing out that someone is commiting a sin is not a judgement. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is not judgement. It is speaking the truth. I love and accept people who are gay by trying to help them forsake homosexuality.
Bad luck, you are judging. The reason Jesus said"only thos without sin may cast the 1st stone" as there are none of us on earth that are without sin. That's what he died for - so check your own scrpitures.
Don't make his second comming a quick one by making the same mistakes.
Jesus' statement was in regard to condemning other people for their sins, not judging what was a sin. Jesus knew adultery was a sin, and it is one he condemns, but he did not condemn the woman who commited it. Remember what he said to her. Go and sin no more.
He didn't accept adultery and tell her to just go ahead and keep doing it because that is how God made her. He told her to go and sin no more. Well, homosexuals should go and sin no more by forsaking the homosexual deathstyle.
Believeit1051-you can comment to me but I cannot in return-hmmm?
I think you need to lay off people in the way you make some people feel threatened or uncomfortable. We know what we are doing and we feel right in doing so.
To reference the speaking of a person or belief to impose segregation and oppression towards a group of people is unholy in it's core of your own religion.
I am saying the message is not to sell the opinion of Jesus - the message is to live it for yourself if u want.
But if they love someone and then they "forsake homosexuality" then they must also forsake the one they love... U people make my head hurt. again- god doesn't want you to hate, and if people are gay, they are born that way and are meant to be. come out of the closet believeit1051. just come out and accept reality.
Wrong. They can love other people of the same gender the same way heterosexuals do. There is nothing wrong with love. It is lust and sexual desire that are the problems. God doesn't want us to hate other people. He does want us to hate sin, and homosexuality is a sin. No one is born with any kind of sexual preference. Science has proved that. Former homosexuals have proved it. Current homosexuals have admitted that it is a choice.
Really? Send me the link. What science has proved this? Who has proved it? Who has admitted that it is a choice? So basically what you're saying is that they can't marry the people that they love? why not? because that really seems like its discriminating... and if god wants us to discriminate i want nothing to do with him.
ow so in this case the churge believes in science?but when talking about evolition,fossils written proof(like allso the bible was written a long time ago) that in acient greece,macedonia male love was a normal thing then its bullsh(*)t?
I know anything about any church, but the Christian faith believes in God and accepts factual science. The hypothesis of evolution has been scientifically disproved, and fossils have been found to support Biblical documentations of specific species and civilizations.
In the civilizations you speak of, this male love was also practiced between an older male and a boy. Should we consider that to be normal? No. Then why should we consider homosexuality normal? It is against God and science.
Homosexuality is about love, attraction, companionship & human relationships. It is no more exclusively about sex then heterosexuality.
Any sex outside of marriage is simply 'not following the owners manual'. This applies to str8s as well........of itself, it is of little consequence, except when it devolves into utter Hedonism & the virtual adoration of sex as if it were an idol.
Evolution is a matter of scientific fact, based upon voluminous proofs over 150 years of research!
Homosexuality is about abnormal lust and physical gratification. If it were about any of what you stated then they would be straight, since all those things can be found in someone of the opposite sex. But no, they choose their own gender out of an unnatural lust. I agree that sex outside of marriage is a sin as well.
As for the hypothesis of evolution and its years of research, that research has been contradicted by further research on that subject. The hypothesis has changed many times since.
Since homosexuality is the result of abuse and/or trauma in early childhood - compounded by other factors - it is NOT the child's 'fault'. It is a complex condition of emotional, psychological & mental factors beyond the control of the person.
This is neither 'sin' nor a mental disorder. It is simply the way the person is. And it manifests in same-sex attraction - in emotional, romantic & sexual desire.
Being gay is no more all about sex then being str8.
Homosexual thoughts or acts are sins. If the person does not engaging in them, then the person is not gay. I don't care what trauma someone has been through. They can control their thoughts and actions. Plus, if a trauma drives someone to have homosexual feelings, then isn't that proof that homosexuality is wrong?
Paganism dates back over 10,000 years and if you include other cultures like black people then we are in the 15,000 years.
Your faith started 6,000 years ago, around about the time that white people started travelling south and conquering other lands. They treated natives like animals and did not consider them to be owners of the land they wanted. White man has a thumbprint of devastation and repression.
The earth is alot older than your book and so are alot of other recorded cultures.
Paganism does not date back that far. In fact, written history doesn't even date back that far.
My book is God's word, and since God created the world with His words, that means His word is older than the Earth. So Christianity is the first and only true faith.
You historically false claims are nothing but delusional ramblings.
There is proof of civilisations dating back to 10,000 years and there is further proof that it also existed in a form as far back as 15,000. carbon dated, proved and documented.
Christianity evolved from Christ. Christ was born 2008 odd years ago depending on which calander you go by. Don't even start to tell me you don't follow the orthodox calender then you really are missing the point of a birthday party.
Dude, who populated the world? Adam, Eve and their kids? Incest? Delusional?
As for Christianity, it was first because Christianity includes God's laws to the Jews, which was first. Therefore Christianity is first.
Adam and Eve populated the world, and incest was necessary at that point. However, since Adam and Eve were physically perfect creations, their children were also healthy enough to avoid having children with birth defects. God later created laws against incest when such healthy births would no longer be possible.
Mesopotamian 7000 BCE (they dropped the before christ thing coz it is irrelevant, it is now before common era and common era-CE).
Thats recorded. They have found other signs of intelligent civilised living conditions as far back as 10,000 years and they have carbon dated a new find (10 yrs+ now) of man made perfectly straight lines, like walls or building remnants, upto 15,000 years submerged in the medditeranian sea.
I suppose nothing existed pre 4000 BCE or BC if you wish.
As stated before, even the Australian Aborigine is at least 40,000 years of recorded culture of a people who migrated here from indonesia.
Recorded how? in caves with paint, on rocks, on trees, on anything that would bare their mark. These have been found and dated to over 40,000 yrs ago and proving a structured culture and spirituality existed a long time before your beloved bible.
Then we have China and the far East, if you want more 'proof'.
The Aust Aborigine (Koorie) 's faith or religion is called the 'Dreamtime'. It was thought of well before your faith or even your idea of how far back history goes.
The Dreamtime would be considered by you to be pagan as they believe in many 'spirits' that give energy to the land and character to the people and animals.
But you wouldn't understand that stuff hey? It's not in your bible.
type in 'americanhistory' go to the 'about' website and start to learn of your own country.
As far as the Americans defeating the Nazi's - you're patriotism is one eyed. Hitler lost due to sending his troops to Russia and losing. America had been asked to join the united forces but didn't do anything major until Peral Harbour, then you HAD to help us so we could help you. You only won that one from 2 nukes my friend.
The Bible also covers tens of thousands of years of history.
Relics found in the ground are not reliable sources, since they cannot be dated at all. What they do is they take a sample of the ground around it and date that ground. That doesn't mean the relic is as old as the soil is though.
It is repressing evil thoughts and restraint from deviant behavior that makes us better people. Those who endulge in evil and deviancy are those who become murderers and rapists. Look at the terrorists. They don't practice restraint or repression of any of their evil impulses, and here they are blowing themselves up as well as innocent people. The Chinese also lack restraint. They consider torturing live animals to be fun.
Christianity is about restraining our dark impulses and choosing good.
Wasn't it Abe Lincon that abolished slavery? and why did it take sooooo long for such a Christian country to abolish slavery. It is because they kept refering to the scriptures as to say slavery was ok. It wasn't until you had to kill each other (a very christian thing to do) to just get that liberty and even then they were not allowed to vote until the 60's.
No it was Abe Lincoln (the conservative republican Christian) who order that slavery be abolished. This sparked a war, and it was thousands of good Americans, Christian or otherwise in the north who fought this war, which made it so slavery was abolished. It took so long because America is divided into states to prevent dangerous radical change from affecting the whole. A few states did not want to abolish slavery, and the only option was war. It took so long because people wanted to avoid war.
RACIST BASTARD! WHAT IN THE HELL DOES SLAVERY HAVE TO DO WITH GAY MARRIAGE, ASSHOLE!
PinkPantherFan102 2 weeks ago in playlist 236
Thank you Keith for standing up for our rights. Of course a judge has struck it down but we are awaiting the results from the appeal. This is the next civil rights battle. Obama just signed the end of DADT so things are looking up.
borebox 1 year ago 2
"Why does this matter to you?What is it to you?"
1)God Hates it.
2)Satan Loves it.
3)Those good people who voted for Prop 8 want to keep the LGBT Community out of Hell by discouraging them from getting married.
4)Have you seen what the has happened to the LGBT Community?Fire and Brimstone aside,what about the Hell the LGBT Community experiences on Earth right now?Murderous Homophobic Monsters who calim to come in the name of God,or those who kill Gay and Lesbians just for fun or?......,,,
liw213 1 year ago
Keith's Teleprompter has a good heart.
liw213 1 year ago
KO is desperately trying to win an emmy to save his piece of crap show. And what better way to do it than tugging at the heart strings of the poor picked on gay community. "This is about the human heart", eeeasy stomach. KO's phony baloney delivery was so transparent that I could hardly see his feigned expressions of deep compassion, or maybe it was due to my throwing up. I need some KOpectate.
1pt21jigawatt 1 year ago
Go read "The God Box" by Alex Sanchez....with an open mind and heart...it opened up some knowledge and another point of view in my head.
Pnoydork29 2 years ago
religious people will always do and think what religion tells them to. it's a fact.
the modern Crusades still rage, and innocents are still hurt.
incinerate4505 2 years ago 3
boo hoo...you're a fag keith
jdkicker21 2 years ago
you disgust me.
Get a life.
Ca2roline 2 years ago
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Olbermann wants gay marriage for one reason: to be able to marry the guy with the biggest cock at MSNBC and that is Rachel Maddow. This two freaks are made for each other, I put them in a unique category,: the "SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABORTIONS" category.
alacranmann 2 years ago
Keith is not gay but he is a sexual degenerate that's hung like a light switch (his ex-girlfriends words)
This issue at stake here is sates rights and the US Constitution. As you lib morons may recall the 10th amendment delegates all issues not covered by the US Constitution should be made by the individual States and the PEOPLE. Since the US Constitution makes no mention of marriage, and the California Legislature failed to act, the PEOPLE of the state made the decision for them.
Tough Shit
KeepEmHonest2010 2 years ago
Lies & Ad Hominem have no place in debate - nor do potty mouth rumors......
The issue is Civil Rights, which are NOT subject to debate or vote.
The secondary issue is the vile attempts of the Church to control Civil Law - which is not their right!
Referring to the denial of Civil Rights as 'tough shit' is most Un-Christian.
...but then so was the opposition to Black Civil Rights by "good Christian white folk"....
19lfm12 2 years ago
The idea that this is a civil rights issue is nothing but the opinion of you and those on your side. No Constitutional law nor statute supports your opinion. By your logic, I could claim that it is my civil right to marry 50 women. Well what is your argument against such a claim? That the law says I can't? The law says the same thing about same-sex couples, yet you think that must be changed. Or maybe you have some moral argument to make. Well isn't that what our side does in this case?
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
The penultimate moral argument is always God. He does not teach hate; quite the opposite!
Moreover, Homosexuality is NOT mentioned in the Commandments, nor did Christ - who is God(!) say 1 word in condemnation of gays. It is high time that the hypocrites who dare to claim "authority" via misuse of Jesus as their corporate logo...obey Him!
And love their gay brothers & sisters - stop persecuting them - and NOT interfere in their full civil rights!
19lfm12 2 years ago
I can't wait for one of your kids to come out to you and say, "I'm Gay". Well maybe not. you will repress this in your children and they will live closeted miserable lives.
ionblast 1 year ago
Nah, I'll just raise my kids right. Same as I was. Believe it!
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
I think olberman is a remarkable man..I am heterosexual with no gay inclinations at all and i completely agree..Why do you people care? do they do it in your bed? do they do it in your garden and mess up your lawn?What do you care? are they trying to do you up the ass willy nilly? JUST LET THEM BE...what is it with the hatred? good....evil.....who are you to decide?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
herabored1984 2 years ago 6
You hit the nail on the head!
Keith's key point is: 'what is it to YOU?' For which there is truly no justifiable argument as a response!
If memory serves, the same folks who are zealously opposing this are the ones who were opposed to Civil Rights for Blacks:
The coalition of right wing Evangelicals & Catholics.
This is quite sad, as in both cases they have used Scripture & the Name of God as rationale.
Christ would say quite differently....but he is just a corporate logo to them.....!
19lfm12 2 years ago
What a tool! Olbie, I'm sorry if this is confusing to you but people of conscience are bound not to call what is evil good. The Gay Marriage crowd wanted a vote and a vote they got. Crying about the result is hardly American, but it is very much you and your ilk.
choppermartin1 2 years ago
Why do I care, Keith? I am standing up to those who intend to intentionally desecrate God's union of a man and a woman. To desecrate, IS their TRUE agenda. "Marriage" is Biblical. Gays don't seek to be Biblically righteous. Then, why do they want to be "married"? They can have the same rights without being "married". They feel shame of what the Bible says, so intend to undermine it. God's laws founded America, no matter how much you and the other seculars despise the fact.
Clefty09 2 years ago
The first amendment of the United States is separation of Church and State.
I am a devoted Catholic and I respect that. Prop 8, took away the rights of families because the basis of marriage is to create a family. And families should always be protected no matter what the orientation of the two parents.
slashimagine 2 years ago
The existence of gays - of them living & cohabitating neither restricts your rights, nor is it any of your business.
To infer that all gay ppl are in some way 'auto-damned' is both insane & the doctine of hell itself - NOT of Christ!
It may well surprise you that MANY gay ppl will make it to heaven.
The teachings of Christ are based upon love & charity - putting other before self. Of not daring to pre-judge the souls of others, as that is God's business....
...NOT yours!
19lfm12 2 years ago
I never said it was my business. I'm not arguing to prevent them from being gay in the privacy of their own homes. I'm arguing to prevent ANYONE from redefining a public institution to fit an immoral relationship type. And in reality, we are all auto-damned unless we have accepted Christ as our Lord and savior. The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven just as easily as any other sin. Therefore, yes gay people who are saved will go to Heaven, where they will be straight and without sin.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
1. It is NOT a sin to be gay.
2. Homosexual acts are NOT mentioned in the Commandments, nor by Christ.
3. Many non-Christians will be saved......
4. Nobody will be 'str8' in Heaven.....there will be no conception of sexuality as understood in the temporal plane of existance.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Amusing that you would mention Christ's teachings in this debate, since what Jesus taught refutes your stance completely. And I am not just using my own opinion here. I have based my opinion on what Jesus stated regarding the issue of marriage, which is:
Matthew 19:4-6 "...he which made them at the beginning made them male and female...
For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife...
...What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
Try reading that in context: Jesus is speaking in condemnation of Divorce....something of which a VERY high percentage of Catholics are guilty of.......
19lfm12 2 years ago
The Catholic religion is a cult. So there's no use in discussing it. Jesus was speaking out against divorce, but that doesn't negate what he clearly said about what marriage IS. He was telling us how marriage should be. Divorce should not enter the picture and same-sex unions should not enter the picture.
1. The Bible clearly says that it is, even up to the book of Romans.
2. Neither are acts of pedophilia or bestiality. What's your point?
3. Proof?
4. Proof?
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
Divorce among Evangelicals is as high as among Catholics.......and, regardless of the utter failure of the Catholic hierarchy to properly transmit what Jesus taught, the religion is NOT a cult.
There are perhaps 6 references to gay sex - all of which are mainly aimed at male prostitution/concubines. Never does Scripture - nor did Christ - say anything in condemnation of same sex love, unions, or co-habitation.
19lfm12 2 years ago
I doubt that, but the divorce rates are irrelevant since the teaching cannot be judged on the actions of those who claim to follow them.
The Catholic religion is indeed a cult, since it began as Christianity and was hijacked and altered many times since Constantine, and is based on man-made dogmas authorized by the Vatican. A "Christian" faith that does not transmit what Jesus taught is not of Christ and is therefore a cult by definition.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
The obscene Divorce rates of Catholics & Evangelicals are quite germane - as these are the hypocrites condemning Gays for being Gay.
The core teaching of the Catholic faith IS congruent with the Gospel & the words of Christ. Though you may have to dig to find it, yet it is there & very true.
The Vatican organization should NOT be confused with the Catholic Faith. History shows that they greatly diverge.......
19lfm12 2 years ago
The very high Divorce & Adultery rates among Catholics & Evangelicals - who shreik the loudest in hatred against gays -points to one thing:
Hypocrisy.
Instiutionalized spiritual blindness.
19lfm12 2 years ago 8
As for your misinterpretation, the Bible speaks out against prostitution, adultry, and fornication DIRECTLY. So why would it only be subtlely referring to those things when speaking out against homosexuality? No no, it speaks out against homosexuality directly, as is the case with effeminecy. And there is nothing wrong with same-sex love, but it is when it crosses the line into the romantic, physical, or sexual that it is not love but rather lust, and that is when it is wrong.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
1.NOTHING is said of homosexuality in the Commandments. Period. End of discussion.
2. Since God does NOT make mistakes AND since Divorce, Adultery, etc. are mentioned scores of times.....that is where His priority lies.
3. You cannot take the 'romantic' out of Love. Otherwise you are a cruel & inhuman monster.
4. The ONLY persons whom Christ rebuked & condemnd were: the leaders of ORGANIZED RELIGION and......RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS.
Ponder that......
19lfm12 2 years ago
1. Actually you're wrong. Honor thy father and thy mother shows that we must honor the union of 1 man and 1 woman.
2. Just because divorce is mentioned doesn't mean God condoned it. In fact Jesus said that divorce is wrong.
3. Romance refers to deep feelings of attraction and intimacy. Those cannot exist in a same gender love. Otherwise it ceases to be love.
4. Jesus condemned no one, but he rebuked all sin. Homosexuality is a sin. Believe it!
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
No you asshole, homosexuality is NOT a sin; it is not mentioned in the Commandments, nor did Christ reference it.
These are FACTS which you cannot refute.
Honor thy Father & Mother has nothing to do with marriage or sexuality. Any child can see that!
Your sick zealotry shows clearly.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Most sins are not mentioned in the commandments, but they are still sins. A sin is anything that is against God or His will. His will, as stated by Jesus, is that marriage be between 1 man and 1 woman. It is also God's will that sex take place only between a man and woman who are married to each other. Anything against that is sin, and the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin.
Honor thy father and thy mother means to honor them personally and honor the family structure.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
Nowhere in the Bible does it state that to be a homosexual is a sin. Gay sex acts, of themselves, have no religious consequence.
Honor they father, etc. has NOTHING to do with the conception of marriage, homosexuality, or the 'family structure'. Nor does it mandate blind, servile obedience - or the kids are the 'property of the parents'!
Too many so called "Xtians" have used that to justify child abuse!
19lfm12 2 years ago
@BelieveIt1051 you talking about a bible that contradicts itself. lol give up. the bible is like santa... fake....
azodinblitz 1 year ago
Actually, Chris Cringle was a real human being who once lived, and he made toys in his shop all year long for the kids of the village. He would then go around to each house on Christmas Eve and leave a toy in each child's pair of shoes. That's where the story of Santa Claus comes from.
Jesus Christ also lived a long time ago and was crusified. This is historical fact as well. The difference is that Jesus rose from the grave because he is the son of God, and he died for our sins.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
@BelieveIt1051
Incorrect, on both counts. Kris Kringle was not a historical figure, and there isn't evidence he ever existed. St. Nicholas is the guy that some believe Santa Claus is based off of. He was known as a gift giver, but not in fashion you explain.
There's a good chance that man named Jesus existed, but absolutely no historical evidence that he was in fact the son of God, or that he rose from the dead.
feenythewise 1 year ago
Jesus failed to condemn many different sins. This is mainly because he did not come to condemn the world, but that through him it might be saved. That does not mean the things he did not talk about weren't sins. His statements about what marriage is supposed to be are clear examples that God wants marriage to be a union of 1 man and 1 woman. This can also be applied to sexual relationships in general. God created them male and female. What God hath joined together let not man put asunder.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
"Jesus failed to ..."
Jesus failed in nothing; you have just shown your lack of faith & comprehension.
His statements about marriage are in rebuke of Divorce & Adultery - if you knew how to read, you would know this.
Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality as it is not important. It is No sin to be Gay; gay sex acts - of themself - are of no great consequence.
However, Hedonism - where all consciousness of God is gone - is sin...which many str8s are guilty of.
19lfm12 2 years ago
The point is that he did not speak out many against other sins, but that does not mean they weren't sins.
His statements about marriage are not just about divorce, adultry, and fornication. They are also about what marriage is supposed to be in God's eyes. He stated quite clearly that marriage is a 1 man 1 woman union that no one should try to destroy. So if you argue in favor of anything other than preserving marriage as a 1 man 1 woman union, then you are in direct violation of God's will.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
You are truly & utterly blind.
19lfm12 2 years ago
You can call me whatever you want and you can deny the facts all you want, but you cannot prove me wrong. Believe it!
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
No - it is you who deny what Christ teaches in the Gospel, substituting an agenda of hate & complete misunderstanding of Scripture.
Facts:
1. Homosexuality is not even mentioned in the Commandments
2. Jesus, who IS God, said nothing about Gays, much less in condemnation of them.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Christ teaches us to love thy neighbor as thyself. I follow this to the letter by rejecting same-sex marriage and opposing homosexuality, both of which are harmful to those who engage in them.
And as I already said, sexuality is mentioned in the commandments. Honor thy father and thy mother makes it clear that the 1 man 1 woman union is the relationship type that should be honored.
Jesus did not condemn any person regardless of their sin because Jesus was sent to save them from their sins.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
Obviously you have never read what Christ said with any real comprehension.......
19lfm12 2 years ago
Well then why don't you enlighten me? What did Jesus say and what did he mean?
And lets say that some people stand for traditional marriage yet end up getting divorced or have divorced in the past. How does that disqualify their stance on what marriage should be? That's a case of flawed human beings striving for a better situation. Why should we make marriage less than what it is simply because some people fail to live up to a higher standard? If we make it less then there will be no standard.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago 2
Here is a better idea:
Go back to the Church of the Rev. Billy-Bob & rejoice in your self centered, anti-Christian hypocrisy.
You are totally clueless about God.
19lfm12 2 years ago 2
Thanks Prop 8. Pervert marriage was put on hold.
JavierCA2008 2 years ago
way to go olbermann!!!
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago 2
its still a sin!!!!
there is no true separation of church and state like she said.
QueenCharity 2 years ago
The push for same sex "marriage" IS about redefining marriage. For tho like Olbermann stated, discriminatory laws were/are in place about who could marry who, or when, or how many, none of these changed the DEFINITION of marriage. The definition of marriage has ALWAYS been the union between man/ woman.
There has been no discrimination for homosexuals, they have always been allowed to marry, and many have. But to say we should allow men to marry men or women/women IS redefining marriage
midnitemoonmindless 2 years ago
The error in thinking here is that marriage is about love.
It isn't.
It isn't about love, and the fact that we think it is accounts for the high divorce rates. Don't get me wrong, love helps a lot. But most couples over the history of time married not in love
No, marriage isn't about love.
But it is about the union of man and woman, not necessarily one each even, but still -
man and woman.
It has a purpose which same sex couples cannot provide no matter how much they love each other.
midnitemoonmindless 2 years ago
Bravo Olbermann, Bravo. I haven't heard it better put yet. Religion is stupid, period, and until we can rid of it as a species, we will never be free.
potter651 2 years ago
If you are being denied freedom and happiness by a government that only wants to control you by not allowing you to marry than you are simply a slave to the system. Your freedom and happiness should not be a result of actions of the government.
lefrebure 2 years ago 4
Disagreeing with same sex marriages is not one of prejudice. Prejudice comes from irrational or inaccurate opinions. If, in my convictions, I feel as though this union violates the sanctity of marriage based upon my morals and ethics, how can this be prejudice?
lefrebure 2 years ago
Because you're denying people freedom and happiness.
pulseofthemaggotgirl 2 years ago
pulse, as a woman, where is my freedom and happiness in being a father? Why am I denied this right?
Yes, it is ridiculous. But my point is that marriage is just as dependent on the sex of the people who enter it. The union between a man and a woman is very different the the union between two men which is very different then the union between two women. The ingredients are different, the product is different. To call the product the same will never grant true equality to gay or lesbian couples
midnitemoonmindless 2 years ago
Opinions are opinions, midnite. To give a name to something that you yourself are not even invovled in, isn't equal. It isn't just and it is discrimination. That is MY opinion. I however, respect what you're saying.
pulseofthemaggotgirl 2 years ago
pulse, "To give a name to something that you yourself are not even invovled in, isn't equal. It isn't just and it is discrimination."
I don't quite understand your point. Could you explain further or a bit differently please?
midnitemoonmindless 2 years ago
There is no sin or shame in 2 men or 2 women loving each other and agreeing to be part of each other for life. However, the stigma is in the sodomy and the openess of it. I am quite sure that if there were only gay women in the world, noone would have a problem with it, especially the elite that run the world.
lefrebure 2 years ago
lefreb " am quite sure that if there were only gay women in the world, noone would have a problem with it"
I disagree with this statement. I think it is too generalized. My understanding from the religious right is that at least THEY would have a problem with it. Not so much of them wanting to be part of each other for life, as their belief in their ability to be so
midnitemoonmindless 2 years ago
I think that most people don't understand the moral issue here, that being sodomy. Sodomy (anal sex) is sodomy regardless of sex and I don't know of any moral, ethic or religious conviction that condones it. Yes, I know 2 women may not engage in sodomy,but unfortunately they fall into the same stigma.
lefrebure 2 years ago
Someone explain to me why CALIFORNIA voted this down? Doesn't make sense - they all voted for Obama so why not this - hypocritcal to me!
dpooge 2 years ago
Picking and choosing like a good Christian. LOL! So should we ignore the Old one? Including the Creation story and the Ten Comandments?
And here I thought God never changes!
fegu 3 years ago
WTF are you talking about?
ch3dder 3 years ago
Why?
What king of twisted strange logic!
When women were given the right to vote, did fish get the right to vote as well?
fegu 3 years ago
From this video, he is now my favorite newscaster.
AlexHamade 3 years ago
grow up. seriously. put down the harry potter books (yea that's right, everyone knows you still read them) and pick up the newspaper. go outside, get some fresh air, and be happy. seriously. or nobody will listen to you and nobody will care about you even one tenth as much as people care about gays they don't even know.
gopurpleppleaters 3 years ago
wow this is amazing. (in the good way) he said what needed to be said.
if some people think "oh well god didn't want people to be gay its a sin" then why did god make them gay? and if they say "well come on god didn't make them gay they were born gay" well then they obviously were meant to be. stop hating and let people love. god doesn't want us all to hate. or whoever you believe in if you do. just stop being a hater. spread the love.
gopurpleppleaters 3 years ago
Olbermann, you suck. An EPIC FAIL!
Hogbeast6 3 years ago
I couldnt agree w/ Olbermann more. This is why I HATE religion its supposed to be about love & equality yet it denies people certain basic human rights becuz their god of choice finds it to be wrong. Religion is so silly & contradictory its ridicolous yet absolutely horrifying that it has so much power. Its also equally horrifying that we would leave such a civil matter up to the majority vote. I am not gay, but if u support prop 8 FUCK U and please try to open your closed simple little minds ty
potter651 3 years ago
For the record, I hear you.
I think the breakdown was the reference to the terms 'perverted' and 'lust'.
The thing is, what you see as being right (in the name of your god) is sometimes in stark contrast to what some people truly feel as right.
Both parties are right in accordance to their beliefs, the goal is to co-exist in harmony with difference and keep common law separate to personal beliefs.
One can marry under god or law - the term is insignificant but the status recognisable.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Olbermann doesn't understand God's law. God allows men and women to marry, and blacks and whites to do the same. God doesn't want gays to marry. Race and homosexuality are two totally different things. Gays were never reduced to property; blacks were. Gays were never sold at a slave market; blacks were.
Olbermann needs to understand that not all denials of marriage are the same. Is he going to support polygamy next? I'll bet he would.
Nonamearisto 3 years ago
Stop prefacing your statements with the words "I am not gay". Just get out of the closet and spread your happiness. Get rid of that winter home in southern California if they won't recognise your marriage.
rhosey001 3 years ago
It's crazy how opponents of gay marriage in California bought ads claiming kids would be taught gayness in schools, when everyone knows kids don't get taught anything in California schools. LOL
godalwayslovesu 3 years ago
anyone who voted yes on prop 8 is an idiot and a bigot---so, congratulations, take your place of shame in history. If you can't understand a simple concept such as equality, then you really are a waste of space on this planet.
If you really can't treat others as you would want to be treated---then you are simply garbage. Useless garbage.
GreyuZaru 3 years ago
I don't see why we should have to tolerate consequences of gay marriage like forcing the kids to learn about it in school and accusing someone who works at a wedding who refuses to support a gay marriage in any way be charged for committing a hate crime. Gays can still have their own wedding like ceremonies. If the government needs to say that what they are doing is ok, then I think that it is fair to say that they just want to have everybody say that homosexuality is ok.
rfifeblogger 3 years ago
Redefining marriage DOES have an effect on the teaching in schools, and it does have an effect in the workforce. Should someone who works at the wedding, like a photographer, be charged for committing a hate crime because he did not take pictures? Should kids be forced to learn about it in schools? Should gays have a right to demand more additional rights? I don't care about anybody's lifestyle, I just don't want me and others to be called a bigot for just not supporting the lifestyle.
rfifeblogger 3 years ago
ONLY IN AMERICA.
What next pedophilles DEMENDING to marry 6 year old girls?
LOVE IS LOVE. Er,NO.
teresitathecubanputa 3 years ago
Amen! ONLY IN AMERICA Nothing like calling twisted relationships marriage! WAKE UP WORLD HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABNORMAL AND CURABLE.
eezyone 3 years ago
I voted YES ON EIGHT in honor of hate-monger PEREZ HILTON!
teresitathecubanputa 3 years ago
Ugh. Listening to that whole sentimental and emotionally charged rant was like getting my urotten teeth pulled. Gays already have the same rights as everyone else people! Just don't make me call it marriage cuz it's not!
whatevalife6 3 years ago
Well then don't call YOUR marriage a marriage because I believe it's not! I believe marriage is between two loving people who share love for everyone else, and YOU do not fit that mold.
How do you feel now that the tables are turned?
Tasharry 3 years ago
Prop 8: The stubborn right dragging its feet.
TarkinRocher 3 years ago
Olberman, buddy, you don't know squat about freedom. Your definition of freedom is to make sure that people become liberal and to bash the conservatives. Dude, you don't give a flying crap about religious freedom and the effects it has on society. You have some liberal agenda in you. Stop trying to push it on us!
rfifeblogger 3 years ago
What part of 'religious freedom' means that the religious are free to force the country to follow their religious rules without question? Women being allowed to legally show their faces must be an attack on the religions that say that women must cover their faces with black cloth. Keep church and state separate. OR, put the rules of EVERY religion into federal law. Your choice. Ban on pork anyone? Ban on free speech vs saying the lord's name in vain? Jail time for sex before marriage?
Darkbison7 3 years ago 2
Gay's do nothing but confuse children. Don't show your "love" in public. Give children a chance at a normal life. If they figure out they like the same sex, then let it happen. If you cannot honor young children, you do not deserve to live.
I took a federal job for about 5 years. One of the first questions I was asked was "Have you ever been involved in a gay bashing?" My reply was "no". I'll never forget that and to this day I don't really understand the point of that question.
Daddy9Long 3 years ago
Never gay bash? So what do you think you're doing by posting this? "do not deserve to live"?
PakMontreal 3 years ago
religion is pro-pain
p.s.
GOD BLESS MY GODLESS ASS
kirilTheBloodLord 3 years ago
This guy's speech is so full of shoddy reasoning and naked appeal to emotion that characterizes the gay "rights" movement.
sluttybog 3 years ago
Go Keith Olbermann! Tell it like it is.
SketchyBack 3 years ago
Olbermann is an idiot and totally misprepresented what this was all about.
It was also a well rehearsed piece, made to "appear" authentic." What a joke he is.
theobamafactor 3 years ago
Exactly. You can tell that he's just acting... poorly. He missed some of the cues while trying to read the teleprompter.
That's why this idiot has little ratings. He's a fake who lies about issues and only has on guests who agree with him and support his backward worldview.
This issue isn't about the human heart. It's about the meaning of marriage and the future of American's morality. Gays didn't want monogomy or equal rights. They wanted to use marriage to justify their own deathstyle.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
You're jealous.
By the way, "misprepresented" isn't a word, you fucking ignorant moron.
winick88 3 years ago
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Race means nothing. Men marry women Gays are not a new race they are people with messed up values and love relationships. Keith Oberman what a farce and mixed up person. Wah wah wah poor Keith doesn't have a clue.
eezyone 3 years ago
I would be careful who you judge...thats is not your role....You will be judged according to your acceptance of your fellow human (your own God's creation) and if you truly believe what you say, Only God has the right to judge so therefore you are trying to play God by judging others. Leave it to St Peter.
And if I was your God, I would give you a good spanking for trying to be something you are not.
Unfortunately your name stands out to me now considering our previous epic dialogue.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
I've listened to Keiths crap on TV. He gives an impassioned cry for an immoral and perverted and twisted cause where gay political activists spread lies and perversion and ask everyone to accept them as normal. You are the one who should be ashamed to cause God and your ancestors such grief. The GLBT movement originates from hell and goes against all decency and true family values. Learn the truth. I hate no one only the lies which keep people in bondage to sin and evil.
eezyone 3 years ago
You and Keith Oberland represent the god of this world, the fallen angel Lucifer. When you understand God's heart about marriage and male and female you will understand the love and saddness God has for his lost and confused children. When you understand spiritual possession you'll be wise.
eezyone 3 years ago
"when you agree with us you'll be wise"
TarkinRocher 3 years ago
When we agree with God then we'll be wise. God made adam and eve not adam and steve. We must learn to love the way God made us to love and overcome the emotional problems and spiritual problems that satan introduced into humanity.
eezyone 3 years ago
And then, finaly, it will rain gumballs.
TarkinRocher 3 years ago
purple gumballs with rasberry flavor.
eezyone 3 years ago
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Oh look Keith Olberman trying to have feelings! JERK!
CLACKEY573 3 years ago
Love cannot be confined in the state's laws, it cannot be molded into a certain structure and it cannot fit on legal documents -- love is free.
Queers against marriage! Bash Back (look it up)!
KenCat1337 3 years ago
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this is onedropp's friend
What about a 14 year old boy and a 47 year old man who are in "love". Would you extinguish their love too and deny them the right to express their love through marriage?
Marriage might not be so sacred today but that doesn't change the fact that every child deserves the right to be raised by a female mother and a male father. (sperm and egg) Every homosexual person has a male father and a female mother; why should they deny that right to other children?
onedropp 3 years ago
Onedrop's freind wrote:
"What about a 14 year old boy and a 47" Are you for real? What has pedophilia to do with homosexuality? Oh you mean it is ok if the 14 old boy was a girl, i see!
"every child deserves the right to be raised by a female mother and a male father."
What? Are you insane? What if my parents are complete assholes. NO! The child's right should be above all to be fostered by a LOVING and CARING family, how could it be otherwise?
magua73 3 years ago 3
Two homosexuals of the same gender do not and cannot make a family.
Also, onedropp's friend's point was that the same argument for same-sex marriage could easily be applied to intergenerational marriages. If love is free and everyone has a right to marry in whatever way they want to, then kids would be allowed to marry adults. Family members with other family members. More than two people. Etc.
Same-sex marriage would have opened the door to all of those other things.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
How?
I didn't see any mention of pedephelia in a marraige propsal or ceremony.
As far as pedaphelia and other obvious actions of inhumanity, well that's common sence and I question yours for thinking of such things..it actually never entered my mind, but then again, I don't think that way.
Do you?
I think same sex marraiges would have opened the door only to same sex marraiges, everything else is part of your personal delusion.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Same sex marriage opens the door to teach it in schools as a normal alturnative to marriage and disreguards the majority of people who feel it is unnatural and immoral. Our forefathers warned against sodomy and other unnatural acts by people who are morally and spiritually compromised.
eezyone 3 years ago 2
OK...I have had enough of your un relenting attack on my character so....FUCK OFF NOW.
I have nothing more intelligent to offer as you are so fucking stupid with your delusion of your version of what is right.
Seriously fuck off and look after your own business and fuck off from ours.
You are our Lucifer and NEVER forget that.
You are evil to me.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
You told me that if you were my god you would spank me. Evil is wanting to mutilate your body and change who you were born to be. Evil is being untrue to God and humanity by being immoral and disrespectful to God and nature. Lucifer has deceived us all into thinking we can do whatever we want with no conscequences. I never wanted to nuke anyone like you said you wanted to, thousands of times. I never wanted to kill anyone like you said you used to. I only want to help you understand.
eezyone 3 years ago
The court ruled that the state constitution provides people the right to marry the person of one's choice. That would include children as well, seeing as how children are people too. That redefinition would have allowed other groups to get marriage redefined to fit their relationship type. After all, denying marriage to children is discrimination based on age, and it is considered to be prejudice bigotry to those who practice it. So what would your legal argument against it be?
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
If you're a man you can marry a woman of your choice. If you're a woman you can marry a man of your choice. Hopefully you will be mature and loving and live for the sake of your family and think of what you have to give to the other person. And not be selfcentered and always wanting the other to love me, love me like a little child.
What did your parents teach you was right? Or did they?
eezyone 3 years ago
I was making an argument against same-sex marriage by showing that a slippery slope exists in the act of redefining marriage to fit an abnormal relationship type such as same-sex relationships.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Glad you clarified it. That's the logic many of these people who justify their abnormal relationships use.
eezyone 3 years ago
Really?? I thought that you guys already did that with repressing homosexuality, women's rights, humanity by allowing slavery. That was the start of the downward slide into depravity.
You guys just don't know the power of freedom from ridicule and self hate. It is enough to make one turn off from traditional preachings and look for another way that is inclusive for all.
BTW if you don't want children to marry, do what Aust does and make it illegal...duh...16 min here...too easy.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
The Bible does not repress women's rights and it does not allow for slavery. It set rules up that would lead to the gradual abolishon of slavery. Furthermore, Christianity has been practiced for centuries and yet there was no downward slide into depravity. In fact, it lead to the founding of the U.S.A. as well as the rise of the U.S. as the most powerful and advanced nation on Earth. The downward slide into depravity started with the hippie movement, which rejected Christian teachings.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Ok now I know you are sensless partiot that does not see further than their own backyard.
What lead the founding of the USA was greed you twat. The English King wanted to aquire more land.
Look to your own history of the civil war - Christians V's Christians, or have you forgoten that.
And your bible has specific references about how to treat slaves and women as ownership - stop being ignorrant.
Pedophiles also are rampant amongst the highest levels of your faith.
meh
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
No, what lead to the founding on the U.S.A. was a longing for freedom of religion and the desire to have a government that truly represents the people of the nation. The English King had nothing to do with it. You have no clue as far as history goes. The British wanted to conquer America after it had been founded, but Americans repelled them.
The Civil War was fought between Christians in the north and non-Christian segregationists in the south.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Excuse me but it was the English that founded America, America just didn;t happen. The civil war was to take power from the English so you could be your own counrty with your leader and not the King as your leader.
There were many Christians amongst the fight in the south. The fight was a CIVIL war dude, not a religious war.
Believe me, Catholics are not the only ones that harbour pedophiles and Catholic is where your faith comes which was split by the English King to become your faith.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
The Bible tells husbands to give their lives for their wives, and it also clearly states that marriage is a one man one woman union before God. The Bible also set rules to lead to the gradual abolishon of slavery through various laws. This was because society was based on slavery back then, and it abolish it all at once would have lead to a great civil war, similar to how it did in America.
And no, pedophiles are not rampent in my faith, which is NOT Catholic BTW.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
If your are so advanced and smart, how come you had an iliterate President for so long?
There are two types of Christianity, one is about love and the other is about repression.
Repression leads to hate and hate leads to evil. It is some forms of Christianity that actively preaches repression.
Ask 'any' doctor of the effects of repression on the human mind.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
The Catholic church issue was a terrible one that the vatican tried to atone for by driving out those who did commit those horrible crimes as well as give thousands of dollars to the families who were victims of those crimes, however the truth of the matter is that the molestations in the Catholic churches are nothing compared to the molestations in the public schools by teachers. You know, the secular public schools?
There's only one type of Christianity; one that's about salvation from sin.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
I went to a Church of England school and it was just as rampant in prodestant religions, yours included.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Bush is not illiterate, just spineless and foolish. We got him because this country has turned so far away from its Christian foundations. But Bush is far better than any other leader of any other country.
Repression of evil leads to enlightenment. Forgiveness for sin leads to eternal life. Lying to a gay person and telling them that they are not sinning by engaging in homosexual acts is not Christianity nor love. It is placing a stumbling block before them so that they fall deeper into sin.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Discontinuing this line of conversation.
You are brainwashed.
Christianity is 200 yrs old, Muslim is 1000 years old and other cultures are over 5-10,000 yrs old, your country is not even 400 yrs old mine is 250 yrs old.
The original faith by all people was Pagan. But how can I converse with a person who rejects history for the word of a book comprised of many different people all at odds with another.
Sorry but your words are one eyed and lack historic value.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
2000yrs old* sorry for misprinting that
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
No, you are brainwashed and ignorant of history. Christianity is 2,000 years old, true, but Christianity is built upon Jewish teaching that is the Old Testament, which dates back to at least 6,000 years. The original faith was that of the Jews. Peganism came much later as a rejection of God's law.
And for a book that you consider unremarkable, it sure has lasted a long time. In fact, it is the longest surviving book in all of human history. Why is that? God's power perhaps?
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Dude, Pagan was a term used for those that followed more than 1 god. Australian Aboriginies are Pagan. Russia was Pagan. Most of the world was pagan.
It is remarkable that you do not consider that continents, that had no knowledge of christianity, be Pagan as a result of christianity.
Also considering how many thousands of christain faiths there are now, who knows which tangent you have taken as truth.
The xtian movement was a white movement only, other people have/had other faiths.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
What's your point? I said Paganism came about as the rejection of God, who said you shall have no other gods before Me. I never said Paganism did not have gods.
You are getting confused about what I really said. I said nothing of the sort. I said Paganism came about through the rejection of God's law. That doesn't mean Pagans who have not heard God's law have rejected God's law. I am talking about the origin of Paganism.
There is only one Christian faith, and that is in Jesus Christ.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
I am saying that a rejection of something is always based on something. If 1 never knew of your god at all and were of a pagan belief, how then did they reject something they didn't know of?
Just because whita man could not grasp anything other than 1 god, they went about killing anyone who would not convert and includes all those that follow Jesus as well as those that follow Mary and Child and then there is trinity.
Origin of paganism was 1st, then came christianity.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
I never said those who did not hear God's word rejected God's law. I said that Paganism itself originated from those who rejected God's law, as God's law came first.
Adam and Eve were the first two people on Earth. Their knowledge of God's law made God's law the first faith on Earth. Paganism came after God's law.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Your statement's credentials are no better than chineese whispers as no documants exist. You are relying on the 'law' to be told in it's purest form from generation to generation.
To believe the bible as a documant is delusional as human nature proves it would have been adulerated by the time it was documented.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
It can't be altered because it is God's word. He would not allow His word to perish or be distorted to the point where His word does not exist in this world anymore. The King James Version is nearly 100% accurate in wording and 100% accurate in meaning. Other versions are bastardized versions meant to attack the word of God, yet His word lives on.
They didn't base that Bible verse on Egyptian discovery. It was God's word that told them the world was round.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
King James Version, so you are one of them huh?
Well, just so you know, The church of England and its many sects is based on supreme power. It was worded in such a way due to split Where royalty wanted to be next to god and not the Pope.
In Fact Elizabeth I cemented the schism by throwing out articles 39-42 due to cathiloc influence.
Your religion is already adulterated in origin and yet you say it is the word of God and pure.
The message was love and you missed it.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Ah you're full of it. The civilization described in the Bible also dates back to 15,000 B.C.
Actually Jesus told us not to judge when we are mired in sin ourselves. He said to get our souls right before helping others to do the same. Also, I am not judging anyone. Pointing out that someone is commiting a sin is not a judgement. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is not judgement. It is speaking the truth. I love and accept people who are gay by trying to help them forsake homosexuality.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Bad luck, you are judging. The reason Jesus said"only thos without sin may cast the 1st stone" as there are none of us on earth that are without sin. That's what he died for - so check your own scrpitures.
Don't make his second comming a quick one by making the same mistakes.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Jesus' statement was in regard to condemning other people for their sins, not judging what was a sin. Jesus knew adultery was a sin, and it is one he condemns, but he did not condemn the woman who commited it. Remember what he said to her. Go and sin no more.
He didn't accept adultery and tell her to just go ahead and keep doing it because that is how God made her. He told her to go and sin no more. Well, homosexuals should go and sin no more by forsaking the homosexual deathstyle.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Believeit1051-you can comment to me but I cannot in return-hmmm?
I think you need to lay off people in the way you make some people feel threatened or uncomfortable. We know what we are doing and we feel right in doing so.
To reference the speaking of a person or belief to impose segregation and oppression towards a group of people is unholy in it's core of your own religion.
I am saying the message is not to sell the opinion of Jesus - the message is to live it for yourself if u want.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
must be a time out feature
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Excuse me BelieveIt1051, are you saying that should forsake the one they love. That my friend is a sin.
Sonosai 3 years ago
No, just homosexuality, which is not a person.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
But if they love someone and then they "forsake homosexuality" then they must also forsake the one they love... U people make my head hurt. again- god doesn't want you to hate, and if people are gay, they are born that way and are meant to be. come out of the closet believeit1051. just come out and accept reality.
gopurpleppleaters 3 years ago
Wrong. They can love other people of the same gender the same way heterosexuals do. There is nothing wrong with love. It is lust and sexual desire that are the problems. God doesn't want us to hate other people. He does want us to hate sin, and homosexuality is a sin. No one is born with any kind of sexual preference. Science has proved that. Former homosexuals have proved it. Current homosexuals have admitted that it is a choice.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Really? Send me the link. What science has proved this? Who has proved it? Who has admitted that it is a choice? So basically what you're saying is that they can't marry the people that they love? why not? because that really seems like its discriminating... and if god wants us to discriminate i want nothing to do with him.
gopurpleppleaters 2 years ago
ow so in this case the churge believes in science?but when talking about evolition,fossils written proof(like allso the bible was written a long time ago) that in acient greece,macedonia male love was a normal thing then its bullsh(*)t?
seppetoa 2 years ago
I know anything about any church, but the Christian faith believes in God and accepts factual science. The hypothesis of evolution has been scientifically disproved, and fossils have been found to support Biblical documentations of specific species and civilizations.
In the civilizations you speak of, this male love was also practiced between an older male and a boy. Should we consider that to be normal? No. Then why should we consider homosexuality normal? It is against God and science.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
Homosexuality is about love, attraction, companionship & human relationships. It is no more exclusively about sex then heterosexuality.
Any sex outside of marriage is simply 'not following the owners manual'. This applies to str8s as well........of itself, it is of little consequence, except when it devolves into utter Hedonism & the virtual adoration of sex as if it were an idol.
Evolution is a matter of scientific fact, based upon voluminous proofs over 150 years of research!
19lfm12 2 years ago
Homosexuality is about abnormal lust and physical gratification. If it were about any of what you stated then they would be straight, since all those things can be found in someone of the opposite sex. But no, they choose their own gender out of an unnatural lust. I agree that sex outside of marriage is a sin as well.
As for the hypothesis of evolution and its years of research, that research has been contradicted by further research on that subject. The hypothesis has changed many times since.
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
Since homosexuality is the result of abuse and/or trauma in early childhood - compounded by other factors - it is NOT the child's 'fault'. It is a complex condition of emotional, psychological & mental factors beyond the control of the person.
This is neither 'sin' nor a mental disorder. It is simply the way the person is. And it manifests in same-sex attraction - in emotional, romantic & sexual desire.
Being gay is no more all about sex then being str8.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Homosexual thoughts or acts are sins. If the person does not engaging in them, then the person is not gay. I don't care what trauma someone has been through. They can control their thoughts and actions. Plus, if a trauma drives someone to have homosexual feelings, then isn't that proof that homosexuality is wrong?
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
That you cannot (or will not) comprehend the psychological & spiritual realities of WHY persons are gay....is beyond pathetic.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Paganism dates back over 10,000 years and if you include other cultures like black people then we are in the 15,000 years.
Your faith started 6,000 years ago, around about the time that white people started travelling south and conquering other lands. They treated natives like animals and did not consider them to be owners of the land they wanted. White man has a thumbprint of devastation and repression.
The earth is alot older than your book and so are alot of other recorded cultures.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Paganism does not date back that far. In fact, written history doesn't even date back that far.
My book is God's word, and since God created the world with His words, that means His word is older than the Earth. So Christianity is the first and only true faith.
You historically false claims are nothing but delusional ramblings.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
There is proof of civilisations dating back to 10,000 years and there is further proof that it also existed in a form as far back as 15,000. carbon dated, proved and documented.
Christianity evolved from Christ. Christ was born 2008 odd years ago depending on which calander you go by. Don't even start to tell me you don't follow the orthodox calender then you really are missing the point of a birthday party.
Dude, who populated the world? Adam, Eve and their kids? Incest? Delusional?
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
There's no proof of anything you stated.
As for Christianity, it was first because Christianity includes God's laws to the Jews, which was first. Therefore Christianity is first.
Adam and Eve populated the world, and incest was necessary at that point. However, since Adam and Eve were physically perfect creations, their children were also healthy enough to avoid having children with birth defects. God later created laws against incest when such healthy births would no longer be possible.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Mesopotamian 7000 BCE (they dropped the before christ thing coz it is irrelevant, it is now before common era and common era-CE).
Thats recorded. They have found other signs of intelligent civilised living conditions as far back as 10,000 years and they have carbon dated a new find (10 yrs+ now) of man made perfectly straight lines, like walls or building remnants, upto 15,000 years submerged in the medditeranian sea.
I suppose nothing existed pre 4000 BCE or BC if you wish.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Austrlian Aborigines colonised Australia between 40,000 - 80,000 years ago.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it pal!
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Proof? Where would you like me to start?
As stated before, even the Australian Aborigine is at least 40,000 years of recorded culture of a people who migrated here from indonesia.
Recorded how? in caves with paint, on rocks, on trees, on anything that would bare their mark. These have been found and dated to over 40,000 yrs ago and proving a structured culture and spirituality existed a long time before your beloved bible.
Then we have China and the far East, if you want more 'proof'.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
The Aust Aborigine (Koorie) 's faith or religion is called the 'Dreamtime'. It was thought of well before your faith or even your idea of how far back history goes.
The Dreamtime would be considered by you to be pagan as they believe in many 'spirits' that give energy to the land and character to the people and animals.
But you wouldn't understand that stuff hey? It's not in your bible.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
Adam and Eve were the first people to ever exist, therefore their belief in God was first. God is the alpha and omega.
Your lack of knowledge in American and world history is laughable. Take a history class, then get back to me.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
type in 'americanhistory' go to the 'about' website and start to learn of your own country.
As far as the Americans defeating the Nazi's - you're patriotism is one eyed. Hitler lost due to sending his troops to Russia and losing. America had been asked to join the united forces but didn't do anything major until Peral Harbour, then you HAD to help us so we could help you. You only won that one from 2 nukes my friend.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
St. Peter has no such right. Only God does.
The Bible also covers tens of thousands of years of history.
Relics found in the ground are not reliable sources, since they cannot be dated at all. What they do is they take a sample of the ground around it and date that ground. That doesn't mean the relic is as old as the soil is though.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
It is repressing evil thoughts and restraint from deviant behavior that makes us better people. Those who endulge in evil and deviancy are those who become murderers and rapists. Look at the terrorists. They don't practice restraint or repression of any of their evil impulses, and here they are blowing themselves up as well as innocent people. The Chinese also lack restraint. They consider torturing live animals to be fun.
Christianity is about restraining our dark impulses and choosing good.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago
Wasn't it Abe Lincon that abolished slavery? and why did it take sooooo long for such a Christian country to abolish slavery. It is because they kept refering to the scriptures as to say slavery was ok. It wasn't until you had to kill each other (a very christian thing to do) to just get that liberty and even then they were not allowed to vote until the 60's.
Wake up.
PurplenovaX 3 years ago
No it was Abe Lincoln (the conservative republican Christian) who order that slavery be abolished. This sparked a war, and it was thousands of good Americans, Christian or otherwise in the north who fought this war, which made it so slavery was abolished. It took so long because America is divided into states to prevent dangerous radical change from affecting the whole. A few states did not want to abolish slavery, and the only option was war. It took so long because people wanted to avoid war.
BelieveIt1051 3 years ago